A Vote For President is a Vote for 5,000 People: My Appearance at Calvary Chapel Tucson
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Hey everybody, my conversation at Calvary Chapel Tucson with Pastor Robert Furrow and Frank Turek as we fight for pro-life. And also, I make the case for President Trump in the key battleground state of Arizona. Get involved with Turning Point USA at tpusa.com and become a member today. Members.charliekirk.com. That is members.charliekirk.com. Buckle up everybody. Here we go. Charlie, what you've done is incredible here. Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus. I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk.

Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks. I want to thank Charlie. He's an incredible guy. His spirit, his love of this country. He's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA. We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country. That's why we are here.

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I don't have much to add to that, but I just want to say thank you to Pastor Robert for hosting this. We need more churches to take bold stands right now. And the most important thing that we can do is to bring people to Jesus Christ. The second most important thing is what? To make sure we can do the first thing.

To make sure that the church is never deemed non-essential again. To make sure that marijuana clinics and abortion clinics are deemed essential when they try to lock down the bride of Christ. So my job is to focus on the second thing mostly. Now, I go to college campuses, so you don't have to.

Just the other day, I was at University of Wisconsin-Madison, sharing the gospel, talking about conservative values. We saw a lot of those red hats, by the way, as well on campus. And we go and play offense in places where Christians and conservatives do not always go. And if we are serious about fighting for the unborn, if we are serious about honoring God, we as Christians must no longer be spectators, but instead must be participants in taking back this country. Thank you.

We can no longer just look from afar and Jesus is on his throne. Amen. Therefore, he wants you to do something. We act out of obedience. It says in the scriptures, Psalm 97, 10, let those of you who love the Lord hate evil.

What you just saw presented by Frank is evil. We are commanded to hate what you just saw and to do something about it. Micah 6, 8, walk humbly with the Lord.

Be in righteousness. Honor God in all that you do. Deuteronomy 6.5. Love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, strength, and mind. Jesus Christ said Leviticus 19 and Deuteronomy 6.5 are all the laws of the commandments hang on those two things. Love your neighbor as yourself. Everybody, we're doing a bad job of loving our neighbor as ourself when we have 60 million abortions since Roe versus Wade. How did we get here? We got here because the church...

has fallen for this lie that you should not get involved in politics. I'm not here to tell you to be political. I'm here to tell you to be biblical. Because the Bible tells us to get involved in the public arena. The Bible tells us to care about the least of these. Esther, Mordecai, Nehemiah, Daniel, Jeremiah, Joseph. They were all political. Could you imagine all of a sudden the people saying, Hey Elijah, you're being too political.

You going up to the false prophets and trying to, you know, say that they're in error. You're being too political. Hey, Joseph, can you stop giving advice to Pharaoh? You're being too political. We don't do politics around here. We just do religious stuff. Hey, Esther, come here. Esther, we know Haman's trying to kill all the Jews. Can you cut out this political stuff? We're here to be nice.

Can you stop trying to influence the king and saying that all the Jews are kids? Because we don't care, right? Because we would rather be liked. We honor these Bible stories when courageous men and women of God are political. Why don't we start acting courageous in our own life as well, everybody? And I really believe that we are here to use Esther for such a time as this. And my wife and I talk about this all the time. By the way, Erica's here. Give it up. She's the real hero in this equation. She does a great job.

We talk about this all the time, which is we are here in a state that will determine the future of the greatest nation ever to exist in the history of the world. The problem in front of us is most Christians don't care. Most pastors do not speak out. Most Christians are indifferent about the future of America. I believe you look at the parable of the talents. You look at the parables of those who are given a lot, much is expected. We have been given a lot living in America.

And God will judge us based on whether or not we are thankful and preserve and protect this great nation, or whether we just kind of cast it aside and say, yeah, America doesn't matter. For those of you that have traveled the world, we should be kissing the ground saying, thank you, God Almighty, that we live in this great country. Thank you, Lord, that we live in this country. But instead, pastors say, that's too controversial. Hey, wake up call. The gospel is controversial.

The Bible is controversial because Jesus said in what Luke 12, I did not come to unite the world, but to divide the world. I've come to bring a sword. Oh, Charles, that's not very nice. Read the Bible because we have been propagandized to believe you go to church to get affirmed. Everybody, you go to church to get saved, not to get affirmed. You go to church to go to heaven, not to feel comfortable in your sin.

And I could tell by the golf applause, you're like, no, I came here to feel good. No, no, no. You come here to make sure that you're not going to eternal damnation. And then once you are saved, you want to glorify that God in all that you do. And the way that we glorify God in the next 60 days, I truly believe, is to fight for those that can't fight for themselves. To defeat Prop 139. And I'm going to say something, and I might not be invited back.

Sorry, Pastor Robert. He's now really skittish. I do not believe a Christian who loves the Lord could vote for Kamala Harris. I do not believe that is possible. I do not believe that is possible. Now...

You might have your own talent of events. I want to hear from you in Q&A. Tell me, please, I'll give you the mic, how you think that someone who loves the Lord, loves what God commands, could vote for someone who just in that one example used the California Attorney General's office and deployed the secret police against pro-life groups. We are here to honor Hands of Hope tonight, by the way. And all of you should donate to Hands of Hope. And you have envelopes there. See, I listened. But let me tell you, now I'm going to say something that might get me in trouble because I followed instructions. Kamala Harris...

wants hands of hope to be shut down. It's not an exaggeration. Elizabeth Warren and Kamala Harris, best friends, have come out and they say pregnancy resource centers should be illegal. Am I correct? This is not a political statement. This is a truth statement. So maybe you came here tonight, you say, Charlie, I don't like, you know, the...

The stuff that's happening, you know, I don't like the tweets. I don't like any of that stuff. I don't like the red hats. I want to save babies. You want to save babies? You make sure Kamala Harris doesn't become president of the United States. You want to save babies? You make sure she doesn't win. Because imagine.

If we kind of sit around and we don't do our job, she will send the Department of Justice and the IRS after these amazing pregnancy resource centers. By the way, we have to do a better job of bragging on the great work that Hands of Hope and pregnancy resource centers do. Of these women that get in these situations and they know in their soul that

I don't want to have an abortion. And they need someone to love on them, to show them the direction, to show them that there's a way forward, that when they have the baby, they're going to have diapers and toys and support. Pregnancy resource centers, the 3,000 pregnancy resource centers are some of the most important ministries happening in the country. We should be celebrating them, not wanting to make them illegal like Kamala Harris has been saying. On that issue alone, it should motivate you. But I'll say one final thing, then I'll bring Pastor Robert and Frank back here for questions.

Many times people say, boy, if I would have lived through slavery, I would have spoke out against it. If I would have lived through slavery, I would have had moral clarity. Guess what? There are more slaves today in America than there were back in the antebellum.

It's what's happening on the southern border. I could show you. Come on down to Yuma with me. Come on down to the southern border. Every day in Arizona, thousands of young prepubescent girls, ages 8 to 13, are being sex trafficked across the southern border and sold as prostitutes in this country. That is not an exaggeration. According to our own government, this number is probably low. There are 320,000 children that we know of that are missing in the interior United States in just the last four years. What did Jesus Christ our Lord say?

It is better for you to have a millstone hung around your neck than to go after the least of these. Everybody, they are sex trafficking kids into the interior of our country. And many Christians sit and watch idly by. Let us not be those Christians. The question is, what will you do? What would you have done during slavery? What would you have done during the Holocaust? Everybody, you're living through a moral crisis right now. And the answer is, we don't do much.

We watch football games and hope it gets better, but we're easily lecturing about what we would have done 100 years ago. You're during, you're during, you are living through a time for choosing right now. And the time for choosing is, hey, we don't want to see kids' sex trafficked across our border. We don't want to see the drugs in our communities. We don't want to see churches be shut down erroneously. We want to see a fight for the unborn. We also, by the way, believe that men are men and women are women, this really controversial thing.

The question is, for those of us that love the Lord, that came here tonight to glorify him, will we also do the work to get out the vote, to register fellow voters? Because right here in Pima County, let me tell you the open secret. This church, 2,500 plus people here tonight, this single room could make us lose by less here in Pima County.

and could make us flip Arizona from a Kamala Harris state to a state that would be for freedom and liberty and would vote for President Donald Trump. This room could get it done. And it's an open question.

Because you might say, hey, Charlie, that candidate, he's not as pro-life as I would like. That candidate, you can ask those things in Q&A. We have just created a pretty simple binary for you. It's one that has very little confusion in the gray area. Because the enemy wants you to sit at home and do nothing. Because I could tell you what's happening right now. Down the street, the Planned Parenthoods, the abortion clinics...

And what's happening at University of Arizona, they're going out and getting the vote. They're mobilizing. They're chasing ballots. Why don't those of us with a joyful spirit honoring God Almighty who loved Jesus Christ the next 60 days show the rest of the world that we care for those that can't fight for themselves. And I'll tell you what, we will send a message around the world.

that we are going to stand for truth and for righteousness and for biblical principles. And we can think back to this night that it all started at a night for hope in Pima County in Tucson, Arizona, where everyone said it was a waste of time and it's so blue you can't see anything. No, no, no. You guys believed. You chased every ballot. We'll talk about that. You registered new voters. You yourself got out to vote. You got five new friends, 10 new friends, 20 new friends, 30 new friends. You knocked on doors. You had the tough conversations.

And we were able to do something historic and amazing. And together, we could send a message heard around the world that would truly please the Lord. Thank you guys so much. Let's do some questions. Thank you. Yes, sir. What's your name? There's also a microphone on this side too, guys, if you want to line up over here. Does this work? Yes, sir. Go ahead. Anyway, for Charlie, I enjoy your college campus ministry. And do you get a feeling of how many people maybe you turned around?

Not enough, but we're working on it. I will say this. We were just at University of Wisconsin-Madison yesterday. We had an incredible turnout, thousands and thousands of students. The biggest problem that we have when we go to a college campus is we cannot find rooms big enough to fit all the students that want to attend our on-campus events. It's an amazing thing. And young men are the most conservative they have been in 50 years, which is remarkable. 50 years. 50 years.

Young women present an opportunity for improvement.

They are by far the most liberal they've been in 50 years. So it is, you can explain that. You know, the young ladies are so passionate about the ability to murder unborn babies. It's the number one issue, right? So we have to try to navigate that. But yes, we're making a big difference. Millions of people, our social media, 55 million TikTok views a week, which is really something. And Instagram's just crazy on that. And we're reaching a lot of people and changing a lot of minds. But we can always do more. I'm a student at the U of A.

And I just want to know what I can do. Great. The first is you could join our Turning Point USA chapter at University of Arizona. That's the first thing you could do.

Second, you're registered to vote, yes? Okay, good. That's the baseline. That's the minimum. You can find a hundred other people that agree with you at University of Arizona, which they are there, and you can be responsible for making sure they vote and vote early. And then finally, as long as you're cool with getting bad grades, which grades really mean nothing, because standing for truth matters a lot more than getting a good grade. Um...

You can speak up whenever you see something that is wrong or in error. Frank, do you want to add on that? Yeah, I was going to say, you can invite Charlie to your campus. I'm coming on October 16th, I think. Okay, I'm going to be at Arizona State on Monday night because we do I Don't Have Enough Faith to Be an Atheist presentations. I was just at UT Dallas last night. There's a rumor going around that somebody might join me at Arizona State. Yeah, Trump. Trump.

It's just a rumor, Frank.

And so many bad ideas come out of the college campus, so we want to throw a lifeline to people. I know Charlie wants to do that. I want to do that. We want to encourage the Christians, put a stone in the shoe of the skeptics, and get people thinking better. So wherever you are, I know there's Christian groups on campus, even if you can't find a TPUSA, but there's got to be one at University of Arizona, right? There's a really good chapter at U of A. Join and get involved. Are they here? They might actually be here, some of them, but yeah. Get involved with the Turning Point chapter. Hey, what's your name?

Jose? Jose, you a Christian? All right. Love Jesus. All right. Serve him, follow him, stand for him. All right. Do that in the midst of the college as well. All right. There you go. So my question basically was, what is your stance on Donald Trump's recent stance on IVF? So, yeah, look, I...

His stance is very pro-IVF. Even the most pro-life people in this room, many of which are pro-IVF. How many of you have a positive experience with IVF? Raise your hands. Anybody? Yeah. I see about 10% of the hands up. Yep. Passionately positive?

Maybe even kids or grandkids, yeah. So I'm pro-life. There's only one way to do IVF ethically and in a pro-life way, which is you'd only fertilize one zygote at a time. That is not the way IVF works. It's done through eight or nine fertilization of eggs, and that is the consistent way.

But look, President Trump is not having the same position that I would have. I'm OK. I'm comfortable with that, especially if we look at the spectrum. Right now, the country is far more pro-abortion than it should be. We can't even get late-term abortion outlawed in this country, let alone go all the way to heartbeat

than IVF, but IVF is a very controversial issue even in the pro-life world. I'm only okay with IVF if it's done in an ethical way of one egg implanted at a time. Even that is considered to be a very controversial position because I bet if we took a poll, the room would be half and half and split. And here is the issue. Because of the toxins in our food and because of the poisoning in our country, infertility is at record rates.

And so, therefore, IVF is the only option for a lot of people, unfortunately. Unfortunately, just the way it is. But I do think that there needs to be a biblical caution that if we think we can just create life in a laboratory, we are flirting with something probably very, very dangerous and acting and being like God. That is the best argument against it. Anyone want to...

Pitch in on that. What you said, though, that we're so pro-abortion in this country, you know why we're so pro-abortion in this country? President and company excluded. Pastors don't speak on the issue. Thank you. Appreciate it. Thank you. So I believe the reason why I brought this up is because I'm recently getting into the Catholic Church movement.

in the catechism paragraph 2377 I believe it basically tells that IVF doesn't align with pro-life stance that's right I wish the Pope was Catholic so that would be great sorry I couldn't resist I'm sorry but you are correct in the Catholic catechism IVF is not permissible thank you thank you

I have one statement, one question. My one statement is for Frank Turek. I'll have you know that you are the single most influential person in my life as far as... Thank you, brother. Thank you. As far as, like, becoming a Christian. Is this on video, by the way? Yeah, we got it. Go ahead. We'll send you the only copy. All right, good. The only copy. I have two of your books, and now I wish I brought them so you could sign them. Silly me.

And my question is for Mr. Charlie Kirk. Are you aware of the fake elector scheme? Well, I'm intimately aware of the alternate electors, yes. In fact, our COO is facing prison time by the Arizona Attorney General over it. But, yes, I am aware of it. Why? Do you know about John Eastman's plan? No. Oh, John Eastman? Yeah, for sure. Yeah.

So what I think – what makes it a fake elector is the state legislatures do not sign the fake electors. Yeah. Okay. So it's kind of a bizarre question. Like why are you asking about this? Because I think it's important to understand civics, and I think it's important to understand –

Okay, so what happened in 1960 with Hawaii? So that was a very specific situation where the vote counts were very close. Yeah, so was Arizona. Yeah, and the difference between the Hawaii case, the Hawaii case was the legislature, like it was on the up and up. The legislature signed both documents. No, they did not.

No, they didn't. I respectfully disagree. Yeah, well, you're wrong. So let me ask the question, though. So a Democrat attorney general in Arizona won by 250 votes, and she's trying to indict everyday citizens and grandmas for signing a piece of paper for defrauding the 2020 election. Do you think that is a good use of time, or she should be spending it more on cartels and drug traffickers in her neighborhoods? Yes.

I'm curious because she's spending millions of dollars going after 75-year-old women with type 2 diabetes that have no money trying to put them in prison for 30 years. Do you think that's a good use of taxpayer money here in the state of Arizona? Yes, absolutely. We should condemn all fraud in this country, especially those... So you think signing a piece of paper because Arizona was still in contention is a bigger priority than kids overdosing from fentanyl in Tucson and Scottsdale?

Both are bad. Okay, but she's not going after the drug traffickers. She's going after grandmas with MAGA hats that signed a piece of paper as if they're a threat to democracy. And I think it's repulsive. And I think that you complimented Frank Turek because you said you changed your life. I think you should examine the contradiction in your own statement here, which is like you think fraud should be stamped out because you have a heart for justice, right? Right.

Right. So maybe you should have a heart for justice for all the dead kids in this state because Chris Mays will not use the Arizona Attorney General's office to go after the drug trafficking and the child sex trafficking. Can you name a single thing that she has done to secure the southern border in this state?

What? Very little. You know why? She's too busy trying to put my COO in prison and people that disagree with her politically. She's acting like a Moscow show trial police Gestapo enforcer, not a duly elected Arizona attorney general. So thanks for your question. Give us your name as well.

I'm sorry? Can you give us your name as well? Yes, it's Jane. Jane? Thank you. Thank you for coming and seeing us today. We really appreciate it, and I'm a little nervous. I want to thank Christ for redeeming me from my sins, although especially after your presentation, I would certainly take my time in the lake of fire. I would like to also, based on the comment here with the young man, remind us that

Pope John Paul II, during World Youth Day, said, Do not let hope die. Stake your lives on it. We are not the sum of our failures and weaknesses. We are the sum of the Father's love for us and our very real capacity to be the image of his Son. So there. That was my comment. My question, I guess mostly for you, Charlie, if I can call you Charlie. You can ask other people.

But you know what? You had said something before I was going to speak that I wanted to comment on, which is an absolute truth that women, there's liberal women, there's a lot of women out there that want to have abortions. And I think that there are some reasons behind it that maybe a lot of folks got to think about, and that's the single mom rate that we have. It's a really big deal.

So you said there's a lot of conservative men, and I'm just wondering what more we're doing to encourage men to have a culture of commitment. Yeah, for sure. And the answer is a lot, and I love that. So first, men need to no longer be boys, and they need to become men. And we need to have a culture that allows men to grow up. And...

Young ladies, and I'll allow the pastor and Frank to say this, young ladies also should prioritize having a family over a career, and it's a mistake when they put a career in front of a family. And that should not be a controversial thing to say. And one of the reasons you're seeing the separation of right-wing men and left-wing women is left-wing women want to become girl bosses and run the shoe company when men find that deeply unattractive.

And they say, forget that. We want to be part of a society or a community that prioritizes family formation, so on and so forth. And what we have seen is a bunch of early 30-something women that are the most liberal left-wing voting bloc with great careers, good condos in Scottsdale, and cats. And yes, I went there.

Well, meanwhile, in fact, Charlie and I were talking about this the other day. So many young men spend hours and hours playing video games. You know what video games are? Video games are a simulation of adventure and triumph. It's a simulation. It's not the real thing.

But what they want to do through the video game is what they ought to be doing in life. And is there anything more adventurous and significant than building the kingdom of God? No, nothing else. So we have to give people that vision. And ironically, one of the most effective voices is

In the space right now on this very topic is not even a Christian. His name is Jordan Peterson. He's getting young men to go, man, I want some of that. I want some of that adventure. I want some of that meaning. I want some of that direction. We ought to be giving them that same kind of direction toward Jesus in the church. Thank you. Thank you. Let's go. Let's go. Go ahead. Manny.

Hey, guys. We know from God's word, it's clear that God hates the shedding of innocent blood and that we're supposed to stand for the defenseless and the innocent. And we always call the left out. But why is it that many pastors and conservatives never call the right? When the Supreme Court, Trump, Vance recently said they won't overturn the abortion pill bill.

And Trump constantly criticizes early abortion bans instead of taking a 100% stand and say, hey, it's wrong to kill babies no matter what stage. And also... Let me say something to that because Ben Shapiro said something maybe six years ago, and I thought it was very insightful on this. He said, do not pay attention to what Trump says. Pay attention to what Trump does. Okay? Because...

Do you remember in the first debate when he was debating? What's that guy's name? The first debate, the guy that got all the votes. Yeah, that guy. Yeah, yeah. No, no. Yeah. When he was debating President Biden, do you know what Trump said verbally that everybody's thinking? He started talking about abortion and he said, but you got to get elected.

He kept saying that over and over again. And what he did, I thought in that debate, is he skillfully flipped the script on Biden by talking about, Mr. President, you're the real extremist on the issue. You want abortion to the moment of birth and you want the government to pay for it.

Charlie, you can pick it up here because you say this more particularly than I can. I sympathize with your sentiment. They're not as pro-life as I am. And we have to look at the abortion issue as an incremental, multi-generational type issue. And understand this. The majority of the country is pro-abortion. The majority of the church is pro-abortion. And so you have to assume political power to be able to do anything for the unborn. And yes, it is a binary. So

So you can have Kamala Harris, which will be the most pro-abortion administration in history, or we can look at what Trump has done. And let us not get too ahead of our skis here. He delivered the greatest pro-life victory in American history with the reversal of Roe v. Wade. And we must acknowledge that. And yes, would I personally have, I do have different stances and all that. But let's look at what Trump also did. Spoke at the March for Life. George W. Bush never spoke at the March for Life.

He never voiced any support of the pro-life community. Gavis Gorsuch, Amy Coney Barrett, Brett Kavanaugh. So it's easy to criticize Trump. I hear you. But first, shouldn't we look around at the body politic where 60 to 70 percent of the country is OK with most forms of abortion and 80 percent are form, you know, 50 percent are OK with almost all forms of abortion. So look at what he does. And if you do not win elections, you do nothing for the unborn.

If you can win elections... Yes, go ahead. Did you say you're more pro-life than me? Is that what you said? No, than Trump. I mean, I'm sure we're equally pro-life. Yeah. But just one more thing. Um...

It's a cowardly's way out to say, oh, it's up to the states. Well, hold on. They're persons that are supposed to be protected like everybody else. You're calling Trump a coward. You're the candidate. How would you talk about abortion? I would say that under the 14th Amendment, they're persons and should be protected like every other human being. Do you think you would win an election with that stance? No, I think. No, yes or no? What's that? Do you think you would win an election? Well, if I got to. You're your candidate. You call Trump a coward. Yes or no? Would you win an election?

No. So, therefore, you would hand the keys to the kingdom to the most pro-abortion candidate ever to make a point. This is the spirit of religion that Jesus warned us about. No, no, I'm saying we know the left is evil, but you're telling us to still vote for evil over here. Hold on. No, no, no, no, no. I am not. That's the problem, though. You know what that's like saying? That's like saying I wouldn't vote for John Quincy Adams because he wanted to make slavery illegal in only some states.

But if God says that abortion is wrong, it's wrong. Yes, of course it is. And we are being morally clear. And you can't give them a pass for saying, oh, well, we're going to change the date or whatever they're saying. Can I say one thing on this? You're using no wisdom and no prudence. Let me ask you a question. Who would be better for the pro-life movement, Donald Trump or Kamala Harris?

Yeah, sure. Trump. Sure. Then you should vote for Donald Trump because the pro-life movement should remain strong. The Bible says evil is evil, period. So you're telling us to vote for evil. No, I'm telling you to vote for the guy that reversed Roe versus Wade. You're walking away because you know you're wrong. This is exactly what the left would want. He's probably paid by the Arizona Democrat Party because that is exactly what Kamala Harris would want to have happen. All right.

That is pathetic, sir. You would hand the keys to the country to Kamala Harris to go make a virtue signaling point. Shame on you. We want to make sure, we want to make sure that we don't conflate Republican and Christian and Democrat and non-Christian. I, look, I'll just be straight, okay? There are more Republicans that are genuine Christians than Democrats. I think that's true. But there are a lot. Now listen, listen.

No, he did not. You would allow Kamala Harris to become president? Okay, then you got no contention. You're not talking, we are. Listen, listen. If there's not... Manny, Manny too, Manny. If there's not a Christian that we can vote for, are we going to vote for him? Are we going to vote for someone who's not a Christian? I'm just wondering. You're not going to vote for someone who's not a Christian? Of course I would. You're not going to vote for someone who's not a Christian? I am. If the person that's on there isn't a Christian...

And I wouldn't agree with them 100% about everything and wouldn't agree with them about abortion. I would vote for that person because we need to put a government in place that we will be subject to. Because as Christians, we're subject to that government. So if we see...

If we see to the other side that we do not agree with, that we do not want human trafficking taking place. As Christians, how could we possibly want human trafficking of women and girls taking place in the United States? And just because the other side isn't Christian doesn't mean we don't vote for them. This is the world, folks. This isn't the kingdom of God. The kingdom of God is in our midst. The kingdom of God is waiting for us in heaven forever. This is the world.

And we're going to be people in the world who say things differently than we say them. I don't know where Donald Trump stands as a Christian. I don't know. I have no idea. I've heard some things that I think maybe that I hear some things that maybe not. But that's not what matters. What matters is we have the responsibility in the government of the United States to be able to vote and to be able to pick the people we will subject ourselves to.

If that is Kamala Harris, if that's the other side, we're going to be doing a lot of things. We're going to be submitting to a government that's going to be allowing a lot of things like shutting down crisis pregnancy centers. So you can't make your decision based upon Christians. Because what did Jesus say? Narrow is the way that leads to life. Broad is the way that leads to destruction.

And we are in the midst of the world, but we're to subject ourselves to the government that's put into place by God. And so we subject ourselves to that government. And if we have to vote for a non-believer, then we'll vote for a non-believer because we're not voting for Jesus. It's not like we're saying to them.

Pastor. If you're going to wait for that, you're going to be submitting yourself to a government that you never want to. You're going to be seeing things you shouldn't be seeing. And we have the responsibility because we have two things. We have the vote and we have our prayer. And prayer is far more important and far more powerful than the vote. But we have our vote and our votes matter. And why don't we put them behind somebody who's going to be the best candidate, not the perfect candidate. If you're waiting for the perfect candidate, you're never going to get them. I'm done. I'm done. Raise your hand, Frank.

Yeah, what he said. No, it's not even correct biblically what that gentleman said. Jesus in Matthew 19 is asked...

Why then did Moses command that a man give his wife a certificate of divorce and send her away? Jesus replied, Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard, but it was not this way from the beginning. Translation, God even worked incrementally with Israel. There are times when you can't get everything you want.

And God took a culture, an ancient Near East culture that was so depraved that he knew he couldn't get their obedience if he went 100% in one direction. He wanted to bring them along incrementally. And the only way in this country that abortion is going to go away is if we bring it along incrementally.

You're not going to get elected right now claiming no abortions, no exceptions except life of the mother. And so despite the fact that I think President Trump's rhetoric wasn't helpful when he said that,

He's right that he's not going to be able to do anything unless he gets elected. If I were Donald Trump and I was asked, if this pro-life legislation came to your desk, would you sign it? I would say this. If that pro-life legislation got to my desk, that would mean the people wanted it. Because it wouldn't get to me unless they wanted it. And if they did want it, I would sign it.

But we all know that's not going to happen. So what we have to do is change hearts and minds, and eventually perhaps we will get there. But, sir, your question is for my opponent. Is she going to ban abortions up to the moment of birth? Or is she going to want them aborted up to the moment of birth and pay for them with taxpayer money? Frank Turek for spokesperson. How great is that? I think that's great. Now listen...

Frank was talking about the concept of God giving conceptions in the law, which God did give concessions. There's another concession that he gave, and it fits with why we're gathered together here tonight. And that's God gave them a concession to have a king. God didn't want them to have a king.

But he said, when you choose a king, he's going to take your children. He's going to take your men for war. He's going to do all of these things. They said, we still want a king. God gave them that concession. There are some times that we have to give a concession. If God will give a concession, then how are we wrong when we give a concession? Because we say that's the right thing. Right? So let's do the best we can. Get the best people that we can get in there. They might not be believers, but we don't expect them to be.

Because we're the church. They're the world. My name is Kenneth. Pastor Robert, thank you for having these gentlemen here. Thank you for being here. So my question is, several years ago, California voted against gay marriage. The Ninth Circuit of Fools overturned what the people voted for. So if this goes the way we want, how are we to prevent the court from overturning that?

What a great question and a really good segue. If Kamala Harris wins, she will pack the Supreme Court with people who will then reverse Roe back to where it was, and they would get away any sort of state sovereignty. This is another reason to be incremental about this. She says that she will put justices that believe that you have a national right to abortion.

So the 14 states that have currently outlawed abortion, she will put justices on the Supreme Court to reverse those 14 states that have now outlawed abortion.

How do we get rid of it? Make sure we have more people like Gorsuch, Kavanaugh, and Amy Coney Barrett. And vote for the Supreme Court. Don't just vote for the presidency, everybody. Voting for the Supreme Court is incredibly important for religious liberty, for freedom of speech. But yes, the Obergefell decision that you talk about, which was the decision that overturned state sovereignty when it came to homosexual marriage,

was done because of a left-wing activist court that does not believe in states' rights or state sovereignty. Another, Donald Trump showed us when he was president, he picked phenomenal justices. He did what he said he was going to do. And guess what? Those justices did what? They upheld decisions on school choice. Do you know that we have school choice here in the state of Arizona? Thanks to the Supreme Court. Upheld decisions.

On mask mandates. Do you know that we would still have mask mandates on planes and in government buildings if it wasn't for his judges? Upheld decisions that the church cannot be called non-essential as those decisions worked its way up to the Supreme Court. They made a landmark decision saying, and Clarence Thomas wrote the opinion, even during a medical crisis, the Constitution does not go away and religious freedom does not disappear. Those were the justices he gave us. Thank you.

Cool. Howdy, howdy, howdy. It's nice to, it's an absolute blessing to have you guys here. I've been looking forward to this since I found out two weeks ago. So my original question, I'm going to change it because I'm really curious to hear your guys' opinion. When we're bold to others, like how direct can we be? Because I've had a lot of times where people call me very arrogant just because I'm straight to the facts. Hey, well, what about this? What about this? What about this? And a lot of times they take it as me being very prideful and stuff. And I was kind of curious how you guys approach that.

I think in today's culture, Christianity is outside the Overton window.

Which means it's not acceptable to say certain things without people getting all upset. So I think the way forward today is to ask questions, which is what Charlie does on college campuses. I do when I get questions. You always want to ask the assumption or uncover the assumption behind the question. You want to ask questions like, what do you mean by that? How did you come to that conclusion? Why do you think that's true? Have you ever considered? These are questions...

from a book that my friend Greg Kokel wrote called Tactics. It will help you interact with people. So ask a lot of questions, whether it has to do with religion or it has to do with politics. Ask questions. Try and see...

What is underneath the person's belief? And quite frequently, people have moral positions, yet they have no moral standard in their worldview. No objective moral standard. They're atheists, right? And they think they have rights to certain things. Do you know if there is no God, there are no rights? Yes.

There's not only no right to abortion, there's no right to life. There's not only no right to same-sex marriage, there's no right to natural marriage. There's no trans rights, human rights, Christian rights. There are no rights, period, unless God exists. Yet people will stand at the microphone and claim they have a certain right, and then when I ask them by what moral standard, they don't have an answer.

So you should always try and uncover the assumption behind the question by asking questions. And Jesus asked, what, 300 questions or something in the New Testament? So ask questions. Hey, what's your name? It's Colt. Colt. Take a genuine interest in them. So if you're talking with someone, ask them questions and really care about them. Don't ask them just to get things going. That's too hard, Pastor. No.

But once you take a genuine interest in them, they're going to be more likely to listen to what you're having to say. Because they're probably perceiving that you're going this, this, this, and this, and then you don't care about them. And when people know you care about them, they will listen to you. So do that. Awesome, awesome. Thank you so much. God bless you. Hi, how's it going? It's a blessing to be here and to have you guys here.

I want to open with Genesis 12.3. I will bless those who bless you, and him who dishonors you I will curse, and in you all the families of earth shall be blessed. And my question is, given the complex and evolving situation in Israel and the broader Middle East, how do you believe the United States should navigate its relationship with Israel, balancing both national security interests and the growing calls for a more nuanced approach for the Israeli-Palestinian conflict?

Yeah, yeah, I'll go ahead and start with it. So God promised Israel that he was going to bless those who bless him. God promised that out of his descendants was going to come one person who blessed the entire world. So there's a Jew named Jesus, Yeshua, who has blessed the entire world. And he came out of Israel. And God made a lot of promises to Israel. And God's going to fulfill those promises to them.

Now, in the meantime, if you go back, do some homework, go to Ezekiel 36, read 36, 7, 8, and 9, and then get to the end of it. So you're going to see them restore the nation, the land, the people to the land, and then they become a nation. And then there's a war. And in the end of that war, the people of Israel come back to Christ.

So right now, they're not serving their Messiah. You know now there are more Jews that are Christians than at any other time. There's about a million Jews who are Christians today. That's more than any other time in the entire world. It is. And it is amazing because they are...

The Bible tells us they're blinded. But the Bible says in Romans chapter 11 that God is going to save them. They're all going to be saved from the Old Testament. Zechariah 12, 10. I will pour out a spirit of grace and mercy on Jerusalem. And they will mourn for me as one who mourns for an only son when they saw me pierced in Jerusalem. God speaking. When was God pierced in Jerusalem? And God's going to pour a spirit of grace and mercy on Israel. What I'm saying is, have they done everything right with this war? I don't know that they have.

Would we have done everything right with a war like this? I don't know that we would. I don't know that there is an answer to be 100% right with what they're doing. But what I am saying is God's going to keep his promise to Israel. They're right now a secular country like the United States. We're forgetting that we're secular and Israel is secular as well. They are not living for God. But one day...

They will. And Romans goes as far as saying they will all be saved. Now, I don't know if all means all Romans 11, 25, 26, 6, by the way. But I don't know that all means all like 100 percent. But I know all can never mean a few.

Right? It's got to be the vast majority. And so that's Israel's future. God will keep his promises to them. And that's a good thing because if God doesn't keep his promises to them, how do we know he's going to keep his promises to us? If God makes a promise to Israel and gives it to someone else, how do I know the promises he's made to me that if I believe in him, then I'll be saved? And so I put my trust in Christ. And the evidence to that, by the way, is that you're living for him.

So if you're not living for Jesus, if you say, I'm a Christian, but you're not doing the things he wants you to do, I'm not saying you're perfect. That's the evidence that we really do know him. And that'll be the evidence when Israel has come back to him. So we pray for them. We ask God to help them. This was a horrible event a year ago that happened that brought Israel into this horrible thing. Hamas is hiding among children and hospitals and all kinds of things. And this is being...

We report on one way in the media and we're like, we're like, I'm talking about the American people. We're like sheep. We take it. We, we listen to it. We end up agreeing with what they're saying, not understanding the truth of what's going on. We keep, they cannot leave someone a hundred miles away from Jerusalem that wants to slaughter them. They can't leave them in place. There are that you could fit 19 Israels inside of, of,

Arizona. 19 Israels. That's how small Israel is. And they cannot have a terrorist organization that was voted in by the Palestinian people. And there are more Palestinians today that are getting saved than ever before, by the way. Did you know that? More Palestinians become Christians than ever before. So it's God's work with the Jewish people to work with Gentiles. And so hopefully that answers your question. I just wanted to ask Charlie. Do you think it will be detrimental to the United States if we turn our back on Israel? Oh yeah, without a doubt. And just...

Sorry, do you think it would be detrimental if we turn our back on Israel? Absolutely, yes. We need to stand by Israel. I'll make sure I heard it right correctly. We need to stand with Israel. And right now, the current administration is playing both sides. You know we're funding both sides of the conflict. We're giving money to Hamas and money to Israel. President Donald Trump was the most pro-Israel president in American history, period. And he moved the embassy to Jerusalem.

He recognized Golan Heights. He got rid of the pay for slay policy. He restricted funding to Hamas. He put Iran on defense. He did more Iranian sanctions. He had the Abraham Accords, peace in the Middle East between Israel, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, and the United Arab Emirates. And there was no war between Israel and Gaza, Israel, a Palestinian authority. We were getting closer to a historic peace deal. October 7th never would have happened if President Trump was president.

This was one of the most avoidable wars in modern history. But we must resolutely stand with the state of Israel against the savage enemies in the Middle East that want all the Jews dead.

Let me say one little thing. Let me just say this. I'll hand it to you. So we're going to end at 9. All right? So we've got 19 minutes left. So those of you who are standing in line, you might want to reevaluate where you are, whether you're going to make it by 9 o'clock. Go ahead. Ladies and gentlemen, if the Palestinians laid down their weapons, there would be no more war. If Israel laid down their weapons, there would be no more Israel. That's right.

All right. What's your name? Good evening. My name is Carolyn. Hi, Carolyn. It's such a pleasure to be here and to listen to all of you speak. I wanted to share a bit of a story just to share the testament of how excellent the church is and how amazing Turning Point is. You guys have changed my life. I was well on the way to being a girl boss and having a cat and living by myself and saying, I don't need you.

up accidentally going to America Fest in 2022 and I met a guy and I knew that that was a man who had a fire for Christ and had a fire for the truth and there was nothing that was going to sway him from that path and I knew I needed a change if I wanted to keep him in my life.

So for an entire year, while I drove from Surprise to Tucson to come see him once a week, for two and a half hours, I would spend listening to every single Turning Point video I could possibly do. One of those in April of this year, I married that man. Is he here somewhere? Stand up. There you go. I love that. Thank you so much for everything that you guys do.

This is what you guys do. And I am so proud to be able to continually represent my church and my political party and just know we're fighting for the truth because we're fighting for Christ. Amen. Thank you. And let me just say, I do what I do because of stories like that. So God bless you, Caroline. Thank you so much. Charlie Kirk matchmaker. What's your name, sir?

What's your name? Follow that. Yeah. I have a question from my son. He's not here tonight. Couldn't make it. And I'd like thank you for showing up here. I really appreciate you guys being here. My son was asking, and I guess you guys have already talked about it, but I'll just read it. Should Christians in the next election, 2028, call for the next Republican candidate to end abortion with the federal ban on abortion? No.

And should Christians threaten to hold their votes if this is not put forward? I know you spoke to that second part. Right. But how do we move forward? I'm voting for Trump, but I'll just say it.

Not against that. That's a really smart question. And, I mean, I got heated earlier. It's been a long week today. But I'll happily reconcile with that guy earlier. But as you can tell, I get all fired up if people want to make Kamala Harris president. But, yes, look, we must demand incremental change.

And I think in the next platform meeting, we should get life back in the RNC platform. I think that should be a big push in the 2028 platform meeting.

And secondly, whomever the candidate is, who knows, right, what's going to happen. I think that we need to say how can we make the movement policy-wise, legislative-wise more pro-life, what are our wins every four years? Every four years. That's how we got rid of slavery in this country is we looked at things through four-year cycles. And so a great example would be this. Can we win a single ballot referendum?

I think we can win here in Arizona, right? We can defeat 139 because here's the sad truth.

And why I get fired up about this, because I want to make sure we're all living in reality. We have lost every single abortion referendum in this country since the reversal of Roe v. Wade. Kathy can correct me. But we lost in Kentucky. We lost in Montana. We lost in some of the red estates. Now, there's problems with wording and there's problems with yes or no. It's very confusing in Kansas. But we need to try to win some of those. We need to try to advance those pro-life policies. Can we have...

20 states instead of 14 states that completely ban abortion, that would be really good. So I think we need to try to map those things out. But we also must be very clear that we're going to remain a pro-life party because to the previous point, to give a little bit of credence to the previous point, there is a concern. In Canada, they have two pro-abortion parties. There is no pro-life movement anymore in Canada.

because there was a movement that we should never stand for pro-life again. Just understand, I'm not saying that at all. I just spent three and a half hours at the campus of the University of Wisconsin-Madison debating for life, right? We can't give an inch on that. We also must be clear, though, the country is not as pro-life as we are. So hopefully we can move the culture forward, get better leaders, and demand more from them. Do you guys have anything to contribute there? Well, it's not so much the political party's responsibility, it's the church's responsibility to make the political party pro-life.

It's our responsibility, so we need to get more pastors like Pastor Farrow and others to actually train and disciple people on this issue. Thank you. Thank you. Yes, sir.

Hi, my name is Madison Sharkey. I'm a 17-year-old senior at Kangan-Del Oro High School, and I'm going to be a freshman next year at the U of A. I just got my acceptance letter. All right, congratulations. I just wanted to say thank you for how much you do for not just my generation, for all generations out there and upcoming generations. You've had such a big impact on me and my family and helping me see the right views and

And you just have become such a big support in my life. And I thank you so much for fighting for my country and helping all of us fight against abortion. Thank you. Hi. I know that T-shirt. That's the limited edition. Formula One. That's right. I don't know much about it. I apologize. No, no, no. Oh, yes. That T-shirt.

By the way, is that not the most amazing image in the history of American politics? Can we agree? Here. So my name is Natalia. First, I'd like to thank each of you, Mr. Kirk, Mr. Furrow, and Mr. Turek for coming out here and speaking. And this question is specifically for Mr. Turek to answer. So first, after coming here and listening, I was talking a bit to the woman who's

Women Speak Out PAC, and I feel very passionate about saving the babies and being pro-life. So I just had a question on personal advice answering the tough questions on saving the babies regarding rape and incest cases, which I know probably isn't the majority of the abortion cases. It's a very small minority. So I just had questions on answering how to save the babies for that.

Yeah. Well, what we all need to admit is that these are difficult circumstances. However, does the father's sin justify the murder of the child? It's emotionally difficult, but it's not intellectually difficult. And so I think that

We need to point that out. If the father's sin justified the murder of the child, then all children who are born of rape could be murdered, right? In fact, I was at Michigan State. This had to be 15 years ago. And I was going through the I Don't Have Enough Faith to Be an Atheist presentation, and I knew there was a militant atheist in the audience. Basically, he sat through the entire presentation looking like this. I mean, he didn't crack a smile once, and I had some pretty good jokes in there.

Anyway, as soon as the Q&A started, his hand shot up and I said, yes, sir. And he said, if there is a good God, why doesn't he stop all the evil in the world? I said, sir, that is an excellent question. Maybe because if he did, he might start with you.

And me. Because we do evil every day. You ever notice when we start complaining about evil, we're always complaining about somebody else? It's like, God, why don't you stop him? God, why don't you stop her? We never say, God, why don't you stop me? Anyway, I went through this long answer where I said, God can bring good from evil. Even when we can't see the good coming from it. And at that point, there was a guy who was sitting about 10 feet from him. And he raised his hand. I said, yes, sir. He said, I know of a woman who was raped.

And the rape nearly destroyed her. She became pregnant as a result of this rape. His voice started to crack. And he said, but this woman decided that she was not going to punish the baby for the sin of the father. She decided to bring this baby to term. By this time, he's crying in front of everybody. And he said, that little boy grew up to be a pastor.

who has brought many people to Jesus and discipled many people in Jesus. And he said, that little boy was me. And then he looked over at the atheist and he said, if my mom can bring good from evil, so can God. I would just add one thing, which is if you have two ultrasound pictures, one is conceived in rape, one is conceived through a monogamous consensual relationship, you can't tell which is which.

Therefore, they both have equal rights in God's economy and both human rights. You're welcome. Thank you. Hello. My name is Noah.

First off, I'm glad you guys are here. I'm a big fan of all you guys. Frank Turek, your book about I don't have enough faith to be an atheist. I always use it all the time when I'm discussing with people who don't believe. I just say like, hey man, read this book. It's pretty good. I'm just saying. I like that. Go to cross-examine, man. It's pretty good. Do we have this on tape? Yeah, we have it on tape. All right. Yeah. And also Charlie Kirk, big fan. Yeah.

I'm really glad you're speaking out pretty much on every college campus, both of you guys. The first, I have two questions. One is like very quick. The first one is to Charlie Kirk. It's funny because like there's like an old clip when Oprah was talking about Donald Trump, he asked him this exact question. And it's, if you would ever, would you ever consider running for president? I've been asked that question before. I'll give the Trump answer only if my country needed me. That's what Donald Trump said. Amen, amen, amen.

And the next question is... Wait, wait. Kirk 2032. I don't know. He's only 30. He doesn't qualify. Not yet, not yet, but he will. He's got to get to 35. I'm not old enough. And Vivek Ramaswamy is 39, man. Anyways, the next question is more of like a kind of honestly a darker question. I'm someone who graduated from public school and

And as much as I enjoyed it sometimes, some of the curriculum that I saw that really has been spoken out about, but this is like curriculum that I don't think people know about. And it was my senior year where my teacher passed out an assignment that was pretty much

making us write something positive about all these leftist things. And one of them was transitioning as a minor, having to write something positive about it. And me seeing that, I'm like, if they're giving this out to seniors, it's like, who are they giving this out to people who are even younger, like in elementary school, middle school? So my question is, is how like, do we start to combat that? Because obviously we see that in the universities and, you know, see that in public school.

What are the steps to start combating that? And are you guys going to answer or what? Well, we need to start going to school board meetings as we are. John Amachuku. Tell them about John. We send Pastor John Amachuku. You should have him at this church. He's amazing. Big Pastor John, I'll tell you what. We bring him to school board meetings across the country, and he does this very, very tricky thing. It's forbidden. It's forbidden.

He reads the books that the kids have in their library at the school board meetings. Have you seen these videos? And it's so great. So he'll start reading the graphic pornography that are given to these eight-year-olds, right? So graphic that if I said it, you would boot me off stage and you should. And so he starts reading what's okay for the eight-year-olds. And the school board says, that's enough. Stop it. This is too much. So

So it's too much for the adults at the school board meeting, but perfectly fine for the eight and nine-year-olds at the local classroom. And these clips go so viral. Hey, Charlie, didn't Governor DeSantis do that once too? Yeah, and honestly, God bless DeSantis because they went hard after him. They say, oh, these are the don't say gay books. This is a very important lesson of if you want to defeat the left, you must show, not tell. And so you must show what's actually in these books.

Look in these books. And you see these books. It is pornographic of what they're giving these children. I'm going to say something. If you have the means and the ability, and even if you don't, try to push towards it. Please take your kids out of government schools. Do not send your kids to government schools. Thank you.

Send them to the school you guys have, right? You guys got a great school. Pastor Furrow does. Homeschool your kids. Do not send your kids. If you can, because that's really the basis of the problem. So I'm going to try to get to a couple more, Frank. Yeah, go ahead. Thank you. I know that shirt. Truth, best present.

Is that a thing of Zinn too? They're trying to ban that. They're trying to ban Zinn but not abortions. Can you believe it? So, the young girls from the department had the question I wanted to ask. I kind of already knew the answer. But I have another question. I have a warrior mentality.

And I'm willing to give up my seat to heaven to make sure a pedophile never goes to heaven. I'm really struggling with that. Because I know God's going to forgive anybody. So you say a pedophile, right? Yes. Okay. Like I don't have no, there's no, I can't forgive them. Yeah. You can't forgive pedophiles. Yeah. I was driving to our staff meeting back in the 90s and on Tuesday morning and I'm listening to Dr. James Dobson.

And he talked about going into the prison and meeting with Jeffrey Dahmer. Now, Jeffrey Dahmer was the homosexual cannibal. And a friend of mine says, you don't have to say homosexual cannibal. You can just say cannibal. That's enough. But he was. Now, when James Opson came out of there, he said that Jeffrey Dahmer gave his life to Christ. That he became a Christian. Now, I'm driving to church and I say, that can't be. Because, like, cannibalism is the line.

If you eat people, you can't go to heaven. If you don't eat people, then you're okay. But cannibalism has to be the line. And the Lord just, I mean, I'm 32, 33 at the time. How old are you? 30. Okay, so I'm 32, 33 at the time. And I just, I hear, I just, and I don't say the Lord spoke to me much, okay? It's not my gig. I don't do that. But I felt the Lord just say, wasn't the cross enough?

The blood, the nails that went through his flesh and into that tree as they laughed at him and they mocked him for his faith. Why was the cross so brutal? Why couldn't they just behead him? They tortured him on that cross because that's for every sin that's ever been committed from any rapist and pedophile and cannibal that's out there. If I were the God of the universe, would I do that? No. I'll be honest with you. I wouldn't do it.

But God says his ways are as high above our ways as the heavens are above the earth. And he is incredibly merciful. So thank you for your question. Let me.

If they repent. Let me take a moment before this night goes too much longer, all right? So we're going to do another thing. But I just want to give you guys, because I realize that some of you here don't know Christ, okay? You've never invited Christ into your life. So the Bible says that in 1 Corinthians chapter 15, that I'm going to give you what I received, that you received and you stood on and you were saved by. The gospel. The gospel.

Romans 1 16 says the gospel is the power. I'm not ashamed of the gospel. Paul said it is the power of God to salvation. So we're talking about earthly things here. We're talking about the next four years. We're talking about the next whatever it is before before Jesus comes back or before we go to be with him. But if you die, are you going to go to hell? If you die, are you going to go to heaven?

Because however you vote here can be good or it can be bad, but that is unchangeable. You have to believe that Jesus died for your sins. According to the scriptures, it was foretold. I can give you the gospel from the old Testament. He died for your sins, according to the scriptures. And then he was buried and he rose again, according to the scriptures. And

And the Old Testament foretells his resurrection. He lived so that you could live forever. And then it says he appeared to Peter and to Cephas and to James and to 500 people at one time. So this is during the time that's written during the time these people are still alive, which is a really important point. Because you can't say things when a bunch of people are still alive, like he appeared to 500 people and people go, no, he didn't. It wasn't there. So I want to ask you a question.

And I'll make this quick. It's not an altar call. I'm not going to make you raise your hand, okay? Or say a prayer. But if you invite Jesus into your life, you can be saved. And this is very biblical. John 1, 12. As many as receive him, he gives the right to become a child of God to those who believe in his name.

You could pray something like, Lord, I want you in my life. I'm sorry. I've sinned against you. That's confession. I've sinned against you, God. Come into my life and forgive me. I want to follow you. You will be changed. The Bible says whom God foreknew, he predestined. The Bible says that God knew about us beforehand, so he chose us. So if you give your life to Christ tonight, God knew you would give your life to him tonight. And he chose you and he's got a plan for you.

He predestined your life from this point forward because God knows everything that happens. And he knew tonight that you would give your life to Christ. So don't secure the next eight years or 12 years and not secure your eternity. I'm not telling you either or. I'm saying secure your eternity because hell is forever. I just wanted to get that out. Let's take a few more questions. Let's go a little bit longer and we'll do it. Can I just say one thing about...

I don't want us to lose track either of that this is a fundraiser for Hands of Hope. All right? So we want to make sure that no matter what happens politically, Hands of Hope is going to do some good. So make sure that you support Hands of Hope.

And I want to say one thing because it hasn't come up yet, but this needs to be said. Because I sense that many people in here are going to vote according to the platform that most lines up with the Bible. But there may be people out there that you know who say, well, I don't like either candidate. Let me mention something to you. When you're voting for president, you're not voting for one candidate. You're voting for 5,000 people to go to Washington and implement a platform.

You need to look at the platform and you need to see where these parties line up. And when you look at the platform, you will see that the far more biblical platform is the platform of the Republicans. I'm sorry. That's just the way it is. Now, I'm not a Republican. I'm not a Democrat. I'm a Christian. If 20 years from now this flips, I'll be voting Democrat. Okay. Do you see what I'm saying here?

If the Democrats have a better platform 20 years from now, I'll vote that. I'm voting for what the Bible says and what natural law says. All right. Let's take two more questions and we're done. All right. So we'll take one from each microphone and we're done. All right. So you guys are the winners. All you guys in line. I'm sorry. All right. So go first. Make questioning great again. Give me your name again. I can never remember your name.

Vion. Yeah. I'll remember Vion. Thanks, man. I talk to you a lot. I know. I never remember. It's so sad. I have a question. So the devil tempted Jesus. And he knew a lot about the Bible. He quoted from it. Yep. And there are some, well, I'll just say it. The left is far from Christ, yet they know Christ.

So I have a question. When they use passages like 1 Samuel 15, 3, where David's supposed to spare no one and kill everybody, or even Deuteronomy 21, where Moses talks about the father and the mother killing and stoning the child, how are we supposed to combat that other than saying, oh, read in context? Because those people that are pro-abortion can use that against us. Yeah.

Yeah, let me say this. I want to hand it over to Frank because I'm sure he's got a couple things for it. There's a book by Craig Keener called, Has God a Moral Monster? Paul Copan. Paul Copan, thank you. Craig Keener is in Miracles Today. Yeah, exactly. Okay, so Paul Copan called, Has God a Moral Monster? And he deals with things like this. He goes into the Old Testament in these passages.

As far as killing everybody, he talks about hyperbolic language. That was hyperbolic language in those days. Like we might say here in the football season that the Bears, you know, waxed the, you know, who they played. Well, that would not happen. But we would go... The Bears annihilated them. The Bears annihilated the Rams or whatever it is. Bears were annihilating Rams in those days? So there's hyperbolic language. But if it isn't, if it's not...

And God said, kill all the Canaanites because they have been sacrificing their babies to Molech. And God wanted to get rid of that evil. God is the one God could cause an earthquake and decide all of us would die here today and

And God could use the nation of Israel as a judgment against the Canaanites if God chose to do that. And he could have the lives of them taken if he chose to do it. So the hyperbolic answer, maybe. But look, who am I to talk to God about how he's going to judge a nation for what they've done? That was only one of the sins that the Canaanites had done. Israel began to do the same thing. An Israel king sacrificed his child to Molech and God drove them from the land.

Jeremiah 7.

Frank, you got anything in there? I would add one other thing in that God has the authority to take life anytime he wants. Look, if Christianity is true, people don't die, they just change location.

They go from this life to the next life, and it's up to God when that happens. We don't have that capacity or that right, because we're not the creator of life. We can't resurrect it. But God can, and it is judgment in the Old Testament. By the way, he did it to Israel, as Pastor Furrow just said in Jeremiah 7. He also did it to the Israelites after they worshipped the golden calf. 3,000 were killed that day. It's judgment. But one other thing. I was at a college in Oklahoma, and a young woman got up there,

to the microphone and said, I can't believe in a good God because he kills people in the Old Testament. And I said, hey, where are you on the abortion issue? And she said, I'm pro-choice. And I said, can I ask you a question? Why is it that when God plays God in the Old Testament and decides who lives and dies, he's immoral. But when you play God here on earth and decide who lives and dies with regard to abortion, that's your moral right. Can you justify that for me?

Look, just because God can do something doesn't mean we can. If God wants to take any one of us out right now, he can. And that's his prerogative because he is the judge. He's the creator and he can resurrect us. And I'll just add one more thing to it. God destroyed the city of Sodom. Men, women, children for the sin of Sodom. And people don't ever ask me that question. They ask me questions about annihilation, but they never ask me why did God kill men, women, and children in Sodom? And the city of Sodom has been discovered.

They found the city. And it's got a burn line right in the exact time that it was supposed to have happened. We're living in a time of the greatest archaeological discoveries that speak about what happened in the Bible and what God did in judgment.

And so we do know that God judged men, women, and children. Now, I personally believe that children went to heaven. And I think I can make a biblical case for that. That babies go to heaven. That children who don't know the right hand from their left go to heaven. I've got a teaching out on it on YouTube. I think it's called, you know, do children go to heaven? I was real creative that day. Do children go to heaven? But I can make a case for that. But nevertheless, they were part of the judgment that God brought to that. All right? Beyond me.

Thanks, man. I appreciate it. You're welcome. And speaking of the Sodom thing, they're finding sulfur balls and they're lighting them on fire. It's crazy. Praise God, man. That's awesome. It really is true. It really is true. All right, last one. You have the privilege. All eyes are on me. Yep. Charlie, thank you so much for what you're doing. I would be a proud mom to have you as a child, as a son.

Your wife, God bless her. You have been busy, busy, busy. I've been at the rallies. I've been at the J.D. Vance. I've been all over, and I've seen you all over. You're very welcome. In 1997, I got pregnant with my first baby, and he was 18 weeks in utero, 20 weeks. They wanted me to terminate my pregnancy because he had a single heart ventricle, and I just couldn't.

prayed on it. I just, the doctors were going to know better than me because they told me he wouldn't survive when he was born. So needless to say, I went ahead and had him in May of 1997. We went through three open heart surgeries. He has a pacemaker dependent. He's 27 years old now. He's a mechanic at Desert Toyota. Thank you.

Loves you. Loves you. So we have followed you. He showed me your podcast, and I have just started to follow you left and right. What do you do when the doctors are telling you you need to terminate your pregnancy because it's not going to be viable for you? Your body, your choice.

I have no data to support this. Every pro-life event I go to, I hear dozens of stories just like that of women that trust their intuition and the Holy Spirit, that were up against these pressure doctors, and now their kids are healthy and they are great. And yes, there might have been challenges. And so, first of all, credit to you for listening to the Holy Spirit, and you deserve a lot of encouragement and credit. Thank you.

And just also understand that what they were presenting you with was assured death. And you said, well, might as well trust and see if there is a way. I said, if you're not taking them out of this world, God is.

So we had him. If he was going to die at two weeks old, he was going to, he coded flatlined at six months, 20 minutes, he was flatlined. So, and they didn't know if he was going to be normal or how much oxygen he lost, but he is now, he was supposed to come with me, but he wasn't feeling good because we had been at Tucker Carlson. We've been to JD. You're all over the place. All right. Thank you. God bless you. Thank you so much. We,

We need volunteers. We need volunteers to get the vote out. Thank you. Charlie, can he – I want Charlie, if it's okay, Pastor, to tell these people what they can do to help with voting and all that. Can you do that? Super. I can do this quickly, everybody. So, look, we are in an opportunity right now where we need not be spectators but participants. We need to engage in voting month, okay? Election day is the last day of voting.

If we want to defeat 139, we must do what is called chasing ballots. Okay? So there are millions of ballots that get sent out throughout the state of Arizona on October 9th. Ready, set, go. Whatever side is able to knock on enough doors and get people to send those ballots in early is going to be successful. I know what you're saying. Charlie, I don't want to vote early. I want to vote on election day. That's fine. I'm not telling you how to change your habits.

I'm trying to have you change the habit of a voter that didn't vote in 2020. It's better to send in an early ballot and vote than not vote at all. So we have a thing called Commit 100 at Turning Point Action. You guys can go to the Turning Point Action booth outside and saying, I'm going to go find 100 voters. We will literally show you the mobile application, Turning Point Action,

of 100 voters in your local area, and you can go knock on the doors and tell them, go vote no on 139. Go vote no on 139. Go vote no on 139. We will give you the mobile technology to do that here in Tucson. In 2020, Joe Biden won this county, Pima County, by 97,000 votes. If we do 20,000 votes better, there's almost no way that Kamala Harris wins the state of Arizona. Almost no way. If we do 20,000 votes better. So...

You have 2,000 people here tonight. If every one of you find 10 votes that either did not vote in 20 or a flipped vote from 2020, this room could flip Pima County, win Arizona, and save the United States of America. So go to Turning Point Action booth, sign up to get involved, and download the Turning Point Action app. Thank you guys so much. Thanks so much for listening, everybody. Email us as always, freedom at charliekirk.com. Thanks so much for listening, and God bless.

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