David French: 2017 Trump Is Gone
2024/10/24
The Bulwark Podcast
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Tim Miller
David French: 塔克·卡尔森的"严厉父亲"比喻以及听众的反应，揭示了共和党内对惩罚和复仇的渴望，而非对政策的关注。一部分共和党人怀念2017年的特朗普，认为那是他最好的时期，而另一部分人则更倾向于2020年至2021年期间的特朗普，认为那时他才真正地展现自我。这两种观点是相互矛盾的。许多共和党人对特朗普在2020年和2021年的行为视而不见，选择性地关注他早期的政策和行为，并为其辩护。他们对特朗普在疫情期间的表现给予了完全的赦免，这与通常对总统的评价标准相悖。即使是像约翰·凯利这样的人的警告，也无法影响那些坚信特朗普的共和党人。特朗普的支持者们对负面新闻有很强的抵御能力，他们会过滤信息，并将其解读为对特朗普的迫害。媒体对特朗普和卡马拉·哈里斯的报道存在双重标准，所有规则都适用于卡马拉·哈里斯，而对特朗普则没有规则。关于特朗普早期的幕僚是否应该为了保护国家而为他服务的问题存在争议，作者认为，虽然让特朗普自行其事可能会带来风险，但其造成的损害可能更大。特朗普支持者的愤怒并非源于切实的经济或社会问题，而是源于一种"烧毁一切"的愤怒。特朗普的支持者们对信息的接受方式是选择性的，他们倾向于接受符合自身偏见的信息，而忽略或曲解与之相悖的信息。
Tim Miller: 塔克·卡尔森的比喻以及听众的热烈回应，突显了共和党内对惩罚和复仇的渴望，而非对政策的关注。作者认为，民主党人比共和党人对选举结果更焦虑，因为他们更担心特朗普获胜的后果。如果特朗普输掉选举，MAGA 支持者的强烈信心可能会导致他们对选举结果的强烈抗议和阴谋论的蔓延。如果选举结果非常接近，并且需要通过法律途径解决，作者担心最高法院和MAGA的支持者们可能会如何应对。
Deep Dive
Why do some Republicans believe the 'real' Trump is the one from the first half of his presidency?
They think Trump's focus on judges and tax cuts during that period was his genuine agenda.
Why do some Republicans think the 'real' Trump is the one who tried to overturn the 2020 election?
They see this as Trump unleashed, free from constraints, and acting on his true instincts.
Why do some Republicans continue to support Trump despite his actions after January 6th?
They have convinced themselves to give him a pass for 2020 and 2021, rationalizing his behavior as persecution.
Why do some Republicans ignore Trump's mishandling of the pandemic?
They allocate no responsibility to Trump, viewing his actions as part of a broader Democratic persecution.
Why do some Republicans view negative news about Trump as persecution rather than legitimate criticism?
They are insulated from such news or receive it through a filter that frames it as an attack rather than a story.
Why do some Republicans believe Trump will return to his 2017-2018 form if re-elected?
They are nostalgic for that period and ignore his actions since, viewing them as aberrations.
Why do some Republicans have such intense animosity towards Democrats?
They see Democrats as a massive threat to the country, viewing any Democrat, including Kamala Harris, as an awful human being.
The discussion explores the differing perceptions of Trump within the Republican party, with some nostalgic for the 2017-2018 Trump and others embracing the more extreme 2020-2021 version.
- Tucker Carlson's analogy of Trump as a disciplinarian father to Democratic voters.
- The split within the Republican party over which version of Trump is the 'real' one.
- The normie Republicans' belief that Trump will revert to his 2017-2018 form.
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