Part 2: The 76ers Fell Apart, Embiid’s Next Five Years, and Week 12 NFL Picks With Chris Ryan and Joe House
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my frequent co-host on the rewatchables and a diehard Philadelphia fan. We're going to talk about this Joel Embiid Sixers situation because it's getting really, really grim and it's worth two segments. So we had them with Joe House who stuck around and did million dollar picks with me after. I like week 12. We're going to talk about that. Tried to figure out a way to squeeze Drake May into the podcast somehow, which we did a million dollar picks. Can't wait for you to listen. First, our friends from Pearl Jam. Pearl Jam.

All right, taping this early Thursday afternoon. Joe House is here because we're going to do a million dollar picks a little bit later. Chris Ryan is here of The Ringer. We've worked together 13 years. Diehard Philadelphia fan. Chris, how are you?

I wouldn't be doing my job if I didn't ask you what it's like to be a Philadelphia 76ers fan right now. You know what? It's actually not as bad as you think because it was a head-on collision. And it was dead on impact. It's 2-12. Yeah, they could probably scratch and claw their way out of this. But to me, this season, it had a kind of end-of-the-season vibe in the second half against Memphis on Wednesday.

House, did you watch it? I couldn't look away. I watched the entire game. I think I watched every single minute of it. I was going back and forth, but it wasn't encouraging. I still want to know...

Why Embiid is playing? I still would like to know why he's playing. Yeah, CR, walk us through this. What's the upside of not... So, all right, they fuck up. He plays the Olympics. They don't talk him out of that. That was a mistake. They fuck up. They give him a giant extension before the season starts. They didn't fuck up, Bill. Come on. They have to fucking give Joel Embiid a giant extension. Well, I think they fucked up that he obviously wasn't healthy.

Yeah, but he hasn't been healthy his entire career. He's not been like a 100% I feel perfect athlete. So you're fired up when they gave him an extension? I think that it's the price of doing business. I think like... That's what Steve Ballmer found out with Kawhi. I mean, I don't know what we're talking about. Well, whatever. They put themselves behind the eight ball at the extension. Yeah. But then...

Why throw him out there when he's obviously not healthy? Explain this to us. I can't explain it to you because this has been a hallmark of the entire Beat experience where I think his fans, especially this generation of fans,

of the Sixers are completely like okay with, hey, we're going to have to take some losses to make some gains. That's the whole point of the process was that this was going to be this teardown to the studs and that we're going to then build up with homegrown talent and bringing in free agents from acquiring guys through trade to help that homegrown talent get to a title. We're exactly in the same place we were when Doug Collins left, which is basically a second round basketball team

and we're aging now like we have changed the kind of uh the sort of character of the team to where Joel Embiid is 30 he looks like he's 38 he might even look like he's 47 frankly and like the guys that they have around him are largely veterans who are there on not necessarily mercenary contracts but certainly like are there to win titles or get deep into playoffs and

But then you have this whole other fun Sixers team where it's like McCain and Maxie and Yabasele and Oubre. If there was a 2-12 McCain and Maxie team,

I think he would have been like, oh yeah, this is kind of weird and sucks and we're pretty much out of it. But who knows? We're feisty and McCain's great. But instead, with George, who's now hyperextended his knee and is back out again, and Embiid doing the daily and not even daily, hourly updates on maybe I will, maybe I won't. I'm never going to be 100%. I won't play back-to-backs, but I will if it's rolling for me. And I should be out, but I'm going to come back in

If they had just been like Joel Embiid tweaked something at the end of the Olympics, he's out for the first six weeks. I just think it's a completely different scenario. You agree with that, House? Of course. Of course it is. This is, to me, the singular most baffling aspect of this entire deal. I thought that the Sixers, in terms of team building...

Had a pretty successful summer. They put all their chips in the middle. Well, we know you thought that because you took the over of 50 and a half wins. Remember that? I stand by it. It wasn't wrong in the context of the information that was available. It was a simple idea. I do think it was then...

desirable for them to try and finish among the top four teams in the East. Desirable, right? Understanding, of course, that you're not going to get a full season out of MP or a full season out of Paul George. You hope for most of a full season out of Maxie and that you can weather the storm enough to get around 50 wins and finish in the top four in the East because all things being equal would be better to be have home court in the first round than not. But

But having said all that, the thing that's baffling to me still doesn't have an answer is what's with the drama, mama? What are we talking about? Just shut up. Well, like you did a great job in the summer. You've

You built the best team you could build. There is a closing window on Embiid. We all agree that Joel Embiid ain't going to be playing professional basketball for another mother effing decade. So you go all in and there's something happened. Something either at the Olympics, after the Olympics, something happened. Or before the Olympics. Or before. Yeah. So we got to shut him down. Okay. Shut him down. Shut him down and shut him up. That's it.

There's nothing else to say. Why are we talking? Who benefits from the goddamn Daily Soap operas? Who is this for? You go to the why are we talking thing. It's literally why are we talking because all this stuff leaked out from that hour-long meeting where we come to find out the least surprising piece of information, see our recent Sixers history, which is that Joel Embiid, the other players were upset about

his accountability, showing up late to meetings, his practice habits. And it was like, yeah, I'm not surprised by one aspect of this. Were you? No, but I think that this is all about how it's getting framed, right? So like if you change over

two-thirds of your roster almost every season, you're not going to be able to control the culture of the locker room. And if you bring in new faces who maybe don't have the same allegiances or the same relationships with guys in that locker room, they might just have more incentive to say something to their agent who says something to Shams, whatever happened. Honestly, it feels like that literal part of Maxi calling out Embiid

seems like it was kind of blown out of proportion. You know, like there was like... Well, because they're buddies, right? Yeah, they are buddies. And it sounds like, at least from Embiid's side of things, he was like, that was 30 seconds of like a 30-minute meeting. You know, like...

was you one person being like you gotta show up on time more and him being like you're right I gotta be better why Joel Embiid is 30 and not showing up to shit on time and that that has become so detrimental to the team that it's getting out into an ESPN report and like other guys on the team clearly don't look at him as the alpha leader of the locker room and are okay with letting those details out of the locker room like

that's a whole other conversation. But yeah, like the communication part of this has been awful from top to bottom. Well, and then you have comparing his work ethic and ability to stay in shape versus some of the other best players in the league, right? That's where it really jumps out. And that's been the thing we've said on this podcast over and over again. He's competing against

People like Giannis and Tatum, like LeBron in year 22. These guys that, you know, this is their life is to stay in shape and be ready for seasons and, you know, not make excuses about stuff. I think House and I are a little older than CR. We've seen a lot of centers hit this point and it usually doesn't end well. And that was the case I made before the season. As you get older, as you start carrying more weight, as you have some injuries and some injury history, you're

Not a lot of evidence. Like we saw it happen. You had Andrew Bynum that year. I think he was an all-star in 2012 and two years later, he's out of the league. You just, when you're talking about these big seven foot two, seven, three bodies with extra weight,

That's where my mind went to. Some of the guys we've watched where it ends fast. Yeah. But the only thing that cuts against that is that it seemed like for the very first time in his career, it finally came out of his mouth that I think I should show up to the season in shape. I think this will be the season that I will choose. And there's,

there was a kind of logic thread to it. He just surrounded himself with the upper of upper echelon, a highest performing, highest successful NBA players. Right. Usually there's a bump from that. Right. The Olympic bump.

was somehow lost because he did get that experience. He was with all of those bright minds and very successful players with their own successful regiments. And he did say afterwards, I am going to be the skinny guy. It's going to be skinny and beat. I want to be like Tim Duncan. I want to have a thinner body. Yeah, the Tim Duncan part that he needed to internalize probably was just not saying anything. You know what I mean? Like it's just, they needed probably...

to put a cap on the narration and the interfacing with the press about what his intentions are and where he is. And it's honestly like it's weird hero ball stuff for him to be out there right now

And it's really unfortunate because what happens to him when he's not feeling great is his game becomes repulsive. It honestly becomes fucking nauseating to watch him play. Yeah. There's some guys who are like, oh, look at him. He's gutting it out. You know what I mean? This is not Philip Rivers on a broken leg. This is like, I think he fell down, what, eight times last night?

He's just flopping around. He wears all of his emotions on his face, good and bad. And this last night against Memphis was the all-time worst-case version of that. And it's just, this is not a together team. It's not being coached in a way that seems like the coach wants to be there. Maybe he does, but this is not the Nick Nurse that I thought the Sixers were getting. It's not the Nick Nurse that coached last year. And he seems super pissed about whatever the situation is.

He seems disgruntled in every press conference. He seems supremely annoyed with the press corps. And then on top of that, you've got... Welcome to Philly. Yeah, but like... Honestly, man, though, like it's every... Every city is hard on a team that has expectations, though, right? Like, I mean, the thing that I think is so jarring about this is that

I almost wonder if it would be worse if they were four and seven. You know what I mean? Because it would be like, well, you're not quite playing up to expectations. This is a disaster. Well, I was looking at their schedule. They lose every game by 10 to 20 points. I think they've had one close loss. Every other loss is a blowout. Yeah, their net differential is fourth worst at the NBA. That game yesterday, which, you know, they kind of fought back at the end because Memphis isn't good and also kind of fell asleep. Oh, by

Even that game, they were down 20 in the fourth quarter. Also got their asses kicked by Luke Kennard and Aldama. And like, they didn't have Ja or Zidi last night. So it's not like you can like be like, oh, well, we got taken out by three all NBA guys. It's like, no, you lost to the B team Grizzlies in a like kind of half full gym. Well, the alarming thing about Embiid, like House, what you said earlier about why so much talking, why telling us

why you're feeling better, you're going to lose the weight. To me, it's like me and CR, one of our favorite movies, The Town. It's the Blake Lively character being like, Dougie, I quit drinking, Sean and I are going to get an apartment. It's going to be great. And it's like, I don't know if I trust this.

not to compare it to Blake live in the town, but I guess I just did. Um, it's like, ah, that all sounds good. But, um, can I, can I see it for like a year? Can I, can I see skinny and bead? Can I see you play some back to backs? I just feel like the ship sailed. What was crazy about last night, the body language, um,

The team just doesn't seem together at all. The bench seemed like they were really trying to like cheer baskets and stand up and do the good chemistry thing. But on the court, it was a mess. And I noticed this last year with Embiid during the Knicks series. And I remember talking about it on the pod. And House, I think you and I talked about it. He's just really slow offensively.

to the ball now and rebounds and shot block stuff. And I don't know whether his knees are just like he's carrying too much weight. They're shot. He can't move quickly anymore. It doesn't have quick burst stuff. This was, we also saw that in the Olympics, which is why I think they were so hesitant to play him in certain situations. He gets killed on the offensive boards. Now there's guys flying around. If you, if you put them in a pick and roll and he has to run out to a shooter, he can't. And over and over again, you watch, it's not just that they're losing, but

The offense that these teams are getting combined with the offensive rebounds that they can get, I think is the most alarming thing to me. It's he can still get his points. I feel like he can always get to 25 or 30, but the other side of the ball is the alarming part to me. But on honestly, dude, on paper, with all due respect house, they're not the wizards. Like they shouldn't be two and 12. Like Paul George and Tyrese Maxey. I know they've missed time each, but like,

There have been stretches of time over the last five seasons with the Sixers where the Sixers have been able to weather three weeks, five weeks without a need and stay in the kind of like middle of the pack in the Eastern Conference. It's literally why I had them winning 50 games. This is like a mutiny. They've been able to roll with it. Well, they played Brooklyn on Friday night at home and they played the Clippers on Sunday at home. The revenge of James Harden.

I almost think they're better off not playing at home. Then they play the Houston pit bulls on Wednesday, which is just a nightmare game. Talk about a team that plays hard and has athletes and is, is relentless. That's a team I don't want to play. And then they're at Detroit on November 30th. Does Nick nurse make it out of the month for you?

Oh, of course. I mean, there wouldn't have to be. What's the thesis for getting rid of Nick Nurse? Like, how is that going to help? He's not the one. Well, under the Rob Palenka law, things are going wrong. It's got to be somebody else's fault. Who else are you going to blame? They can't get rid of

George, there's nothing to blame. It's November. Well, you know, the season that matters starts in March. Their their forecasted win total right now is 38 and a half. That'll have them. Yes, it is. You can. Oh, my God. That was 42 and a half two days ago. Well, it's 38 and a half right now.

But I'm telling you, they're only a couple of slots out of the 10 seed. They're dead last in the Eastern Conference right now as we're taping, but only a handful of spots away. And they right now have the seventh best odds to make the playoffs. It's minus 215 for the Sixers to make the playoffs. Oh, shit. So those odds weren't even on Fando like three hours ago when I was taping. So CR. The people demanded it.

We have to fucking short these guys. No, to make the playoffs though. Much better odds to make than to miss. Yeah, but they're not, I don't think they're going to be in the top six. So basically the cutoff would be the 10 seed CR, right? So you have to finish above five teams. So I'm going to list some teams.

Like you'll finish ahead of Washington no matter what happens. You have too much talent. That's happening. Sorry, house. Way to go out on a limb. You'll finish ahead of Toronto because I don't think Toronto even necessarily wants to be good. So that's the second one. I think you'll finish ahead of Charlotte. I do too. So there's three. Then it starts getting a little gamey. Like you have Chicago that you catch Chicago on the right night and they can score with anybody. They look okay. You'd have to pass...

Detroit and Brooklyn, you'd have to pass two of those three. Detroit right now is 7-9, and they're in these games, and Cade is playing better than anyone on the Sixers. Can you get to a 10 seed? I think you can get to a 10 seed. I think that that's going to be so far below the expectations of the franchise at this point that it's going to still be seen as an abject failure. This is not...

I don't think that this team had like Miami Heat expectations this season where it's like what they do is basically use the regular season as a like a experiment, you know, and whether all these storms and Spoh is making guys from G leaguers and all stars and it's just going to they're going to scrape and claw their way into the playoffs and then nobody wants to play them. I think this is a team that was really hoping to have some kind of home court advantage in the playoffs and

And also probably to be so safe in that, that they could rest guys down the stretch and make sure Embiid was healthy. Now it's the opposite. Now it's the opposite. And I think like, I think now what happened with that meeting coming out, becoming public is the problem is, is that everything seems like a reaction to something else. So losing to Memphis, which sucked anyway, uh,

is now a failure of the meeting to galvanize the team. So instead of it just being like, you lost on the road to Memphis, what a shitty start to the season, but hopefully everybody starts to get it together. It's now like, that meeting didn't work. Embiid looked miserable. He immediately comes out after the Memphis game and says, whoever leaked that is a real piece of shit.

Presumably, the person in the... Somebody in the locker room did that. So that's what is happening in that locker room. George goes out. George does a podcast about the all-hands meeting, the team meeting. Oh, he did that? I missed that part. He did? Yeah. I haven't listened to it yet. I just saw... House was just showing me the thumbnail from it. Definitely good to get podcast content out of it. It's like... My recommendation would be for Joel Embiid to go out and...

and not play for four weeks to four to six weeks and get as healthy as he can. Because him being like, I'm going to try and drag my body through 35 minutes against Memphis. No, no. It's not helping. They need to win like 34 games. So just send him packing and make sure he gets in shape. I thought he looked so miserable last night when that, when the halftime hit and he just walked off. Yeah. And it was like, he was like a tennis player. We could take a break. I have a,

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All right, here we go. House CR, feel free to weigh in as well. Are we sure Nick nurse is good? Can I just walk through? I'm willing to say yes, he's good, but can we just walk through it? So he takes over a Toronto team that went 59 and 23 in 2019. They went 58 and 24. They went on that Kawhi shot last second. Sorry, Chris.

Um, LeBron's in the West. That's the first year LeBron leaves. They play the Warriors in the finals. Katie's hurt. Doesn't come back to game five. Immediately blows out as Achilles. Clay Thompson gets hurt. Same game. They get this miracle, uh, Kawhi performance and they squeeze it out. And we're like, Nick Nurse is a good coach. And I think he probably is a decent to good coach. Next year, 53 wins.

And next year, 27 wins, 48, 41 gets fired from there, goes to Philly the year after, has that really weird Knicks series and then looks completely miserable this year. I just, I wonder if there's like only four or five good coaches period. And I thought maybe he was one of them, but I think what we're learning is he probably wasn't.

How's your thoughts? I think what you're speaking to, and I think is a fair criticism of him, is his ability to rally, his ability to get guys on the same page with a common cause. Because the story about why Toronto fell apart had to do with

um a defensive scheme where they had a whole bunch of guys they didn't have one tall guy on that team on that roster they had all had to go you know uh baseline to baseline side to side full out defensive uh pressure extended way out to the three-point line and at some point they all got effing tired of it and they went to coach nick nurse and said god damn it coach nick nurse

you're, this is exhausting. We can't expend all of this energy playing all this defense in this way. And it fell on deaf ears. And they were like, Hey, guess what? Nick nurse. Fuck you. Right. Then goes to Philly. Same, you know, not like last year. And I was thinking about that Toronto team. Cause it's,

Such a weird outlier, right? They had great defense, right? They have Kawhi, who's actually healthy. They have Marc Gasol rim protection. They have Kyle Lowry. They have Siakam. They have Ananobio. They didn't have him in the playoffs that year. Danny Green. They had Wings. They had Ibaka. But really, they had Kawhi, who we left that playoffs thinking this is the best player in the world. And we've seen coaches that have great situations like that.

And I just wonder, like, when they hired him, CR, and we talked about it, I was like, wow, you got Nick Nurse. That guy's a fucking great coach. Yeah, because it was like, and it was like, is he, you know, are we going to lose him to the Bucs? There was like a whole, like, Nick Nurse is the hottest free agent candidate. Nick Nurse sweepstakes. Yeah. Not sure there'd be a sweepstakes. I guess that's my point. I don't really know. I don't really know what Eric Spolstra just,

do a better job here? Probably not. What can a coach do when the main issue seems to be effort? Well, the big issue is it doesn't seem like he can 100% connect with Embiid as we've seen basically from all of Embiid's resume this season.

Yeah, but I think everybody gets a little piece of blame pie. You know, Embiid talking about... You want to go blame pie? Are we doing an ESPN gimmick? I like this. Embiid deserves a slice. Daryl deserves a slice. Paul George deserves a slice. Nick Nurse deserves a slice. You know, like, Embiid can't stop saying stupid shit

that's a huge problem, but that's probably more of a fan problem, I would imagine, than it is a player problem. I just think that this looks like a team that hates each other. And honestly, I was trying to rack my brains. I mean, you can look up, it's like, oh, who's 2-12 and still makes the playoffs? It's like, not that many teams. Six out of 92. Right, but it's now that the playoffs have been expanded. But more than that,

You just don't really see teams that clearly dislike each other this much doing anything. Yeah. Do they really dislike each other? It doesn't seem like a happy team, I think is a very fair point. They don't seem happy playing basketball together. Right. And I don't think any of the guys, nobody on that team

except for Jared McCain, is playing in the plus. They're not playing in... Wow, we never expected that, but Jared McCain, him and Connect are like the two big success stories of the draft so far, it seems like. It's not like... George looks terrible even when he's not being dragged off the court. Maxie's obviously hurt. Drummond looks old.

you know, like the, there's no, no signs that Drummond might've been a bad signing. Yeah. Kyle Lowry might not have it anymore. Yeah. So here's the thing. CR they, like they crushed the McCain pick.

They get Caleb Barton at a huge discount. He was the only guy who was flying around. I actually thought he was really good last night. And Yabasele was a really good side. They added three guys to the rotation that are awesome guys and it hasn't mattered at all. And Bede. Right. The whole entire thing runs through and Bede, especially if Paul George is going to be this passive. That's one thing that's been sad is that like, because he got hurt in the preseason and because like he's just re-injured himself, there's been no opportunity to be like, hey man, we're

Paul, we're going to need you to carry us for the first 20 games of the season. You know, you're going to have to go out and get 25 a night. You're going to have to be the lead scorer. You're going to have to take the best player on the opposing team on defense. And he's just completely come... The terrifying thing is like, this is why the Clippers let him go. They probably saw this coming. I covered this in part one. It's like buying the used car from somebody who's really eager to sell it to you. It's probably a red flag. But Bill, have you ever had...

a Celtics season in recent memory. We did. We had the second Kyrie season. You could see it the whole season. It's like, it's off. This is off. But I talked about this when I did the power poll a couple of weeks ago about when the concept of sacrifice, when you're putting together a big three.

And how, like when people always point to the 08 Celtics, where it was like those guys were at the point of their career where they're ready to give something up. This time around, you'd have to have Embiid. What's he given up? And does he want to get in shape? You have Paul George, who's probably the most likely candidate to be like, yeah, I don't care if I score all the time. I just want to win a title. And then you have Maxie, who's trying to prove he's a great player. He hasn't

He doesn't want to sacrifice anything he shouldn't want to. A young player is trying to prove that he's one of the best guards in the league. So that alone made me nervous. But then the Embiid conditioning and then the chemistry is, I think the variables, even House couldn't have expected as he went over 50 and a half wins. I'm going to cross that off, House, for you. I will take that L.

It's literally why it's called gambling, but it was exactly what Chris Ryan just described. It was Paul George holding down the fort through the first 20 games that Paul George had Maxie in the East, you know, building a little something with McCain. Yeah, right, right. A little something, but he's showed up dead and, and he was hurt within days of us doing the over under podcast. And I, maybe he's not, I mean, after last night's injury, maybe he's not.

Maybe he's still not restored to full health. Well, hopefully he can still podcast. The thing I was going to say, the thing I was asking you about, like the historical precedence, or if you have this experience where it's been a very long time with the Sixers since a season started. I remember the first car I ever had was a 91 Ford Tempo, used 91 Ford Tempo.

And the transmission blew out on the drive home from the dealership. Yeah. And it was just like, well, that is definitive. This is a lemon. Let's take it back to the lot. Clearly, there's got to be some 12-hour grace period. This wasn't like, oh, I'm driving it for a while and shudders a little bit when you make lefts. No, there was no warning signs. This thing died as soon as it left the season opening gate. And it kind of almost feels like

a little liberating after all these years of like kind of coming up short is like, oh, there's something rotten here. And maybe this, this beginning is the beginning of a new chapter. We have to like kind of new chapter. You just signed a beat to an extension and Paul George has a four year deal. What new chapter are we looking at? I like,

I like this. You're going to 2029 for the new chapter. What are you going to get a hybrid eight like a bear? I was talking about me. I was talking about my post Sixers life. Maybe you'll have more time now to concentrate on other things. Isn't there a pathway where it'll be fun to root for 39 wins? Isn't that going to become the new? Okay. We understand. We take. Well, there's another piece of this. Bad luck. Let's be honest. They have their pick.

But it's top six protected. So you can't even root for like, let's just bottom out. It would be really fun to root for McCain, Maxie and the role players. It would be fine. They're too good to bottom out. McCain is honestly worth watching the Sixers for, even if you also have to watch guys rolling around on the ground in agony. House, do we need to convene the Ewing Theory Committee?

To just should I send them to Philly to watch what the Sixers might look like if they have to shelve and beat for three weeks and all of a sudden that team is playing small ball and take it off? I don't know. Because we had a pretty good sample size for that last season. They only played 39 games and they were bad. They were bad at the games that he didn't play. How much better would you guys feel about this team or would we even be doing this segment if they had won like three more games?

Still bad, but just a slow start. So I think the two games this week warranted this statement because it wasn't just that words this segment. It wasn't just the Memphis game last night, which was riveting. The Miami game was unbelievable. I mean, that was they got blow the F out. Yeah. We're still a text to me. He was like,

I'm not saying a hate watch pod of Sixers games would do well, but I do think it would get an audience. I think he's right. I think you could basically take the Philly special and just make it like a venting session after every Sixer game. And it rarely happens in basketball because it's the most naked sport, right? In football, they have helmets on. They might not show some of the sidelines. In basketball, you know when guys are unhappy. You know when guys...

are mailing in a play or a sequence. You can watch the reactions on the bench. You can watch how the bench reacts. You can see the coach in the postgame press conference. There's like 40 checkpoints where you're like, ah, this doesn't look right. And they're hitting all of them. I can't think of a single one they're not hitting other than that. McCain seems super happy to be in the NBA.

He's like, hey guys. He's like a puppy running around. Hey! It's like when we got Murph and he was just running around the backyard. Well, I hope that a consequence of all this is not Maxie loses that joy. Because that's the other thing. I don't think that's going to happen. Over the last couple of seasons, I think that that's been really important for Sixers fans is to see somebody who plays with so much unbridled

You know, because it sometimes doesn't feel that way for Embiid. And honestly, like to me, as much as the health stuff is obviously pretty disturbing with him and the way he's talked about conserving his body for the playoffs and what it's going to take. And, you know, he's never 100 percent and all that. He has said multiple things about himself.

basically saying like the amount that I've given to this city, if because of how much I've done for this team, because of the amount I've given to the city, it's ridiculous that this is like the discourse on me. So I, I'm just, I'm, this is getting kind of dark. You know what I mean? I don't know. I don't know what's going to happen. I don't know what even Daryl,

This would be the team that Daryl had always dreamed of, right? It's like you take Embiid and you get the on paper. Three stars. Yeah, shooting and veterans who know what their role is and a really astute coach. And if that doesn't work, I don't really know what the plan is here. You know? House, they can't even trade Embiid until the summer if they wanted to. I don't think they do. But they're stuck with that contract. By the way, they're also trying to build a new arena. So keep that in mind with Embiid trades.

It's weird because LeBron did that whole thing this week about how social media is too negative and the whole discussion and apparatus around basketball has become too negative. I feel like it hasn't really been that different. I think the only thing that probably has been added the last couple of years are these player podcasts where the players are

especially the X players, they're like pro wrestlers. You know, it's like Mick Foley talking about how the undertaker was a giant pussy, you know, not that he did that, but just like these crit and the NBA is kind of turning into that where guys are just lobbing. Like a man Shumpert had a whole thing the other day about how LeBron ruined basketball when he teamed up with Wade and, and, uh, and Bosch. And it was like, they didn't,

Weren't you on LeBron's championship team in 2016? What are you doing? But these pods are just crazy. And I do wonder if that's a sadded layer. I actually think people compared to how this would have been received in the 1990s have been pretty reasonable about this Embiid thing with some of the stuff he said. We've talked about a lot on this pod. There's been so many red flags. I thought the Olympics was a red flag, that no back to back was a red flag, but

CR, it feels like something has shifted now with the city and Embiid, where it went from like, you are our favorite son. We will defend you. And Philly's like this in a lot of ways where it's like, you're our guy. Fuck everybody else. Yes. And that's what it is. And it feels like that's been lost, which I think is significant.

Yeah, I would say it's probably, I mean, to the extent that I can tell from Los Angeles, I would say that the fan base seems split 50-50 between like, Joel, True Believers, this is, he's just hurt, you guys aren't, you know, aren't being sympathetic to, I'm over it.

I can't take the quotes. Like you can't do it anymore. I can't take the like, I'm not going to let myself feel anything because it's just going to hurt his knee or get Bell's palsy or whatever. Like the litany of things that have happened to him over the course of his career. And then you go back to the origin story of his whole thing where it's just like,

It's kind of a little bit of a miracle that he's playing. Like when he was drafted, it was like, if we ever get to see Embiid, he could be the best player in this draft. If we ever get to see him. And we did. And he has never really, really been 100%. He's also had some really bad luck.

with injuries, with, you know, running into faults or whatever and all that stuff that was like not really like a muscle damage thing. But to your point earlier about like the Patrick Ewing's of the world that just go downhill really fast, like there's just too many knee injuries now. You know, there's his knees. Well, also there's, you know what else there is? There's YouTube and you can go back and you can watch him

six years ago, seven years ago, and you can watch how he moves and watch him now, and he almost doesn't look like the same guy. And that's the thing that is undeniable. And that's...

We have, unlike 20 years ago where we didn't have the ability to just queue up whatever video we wanted, now we can. And you can go back and you can watch him in Kansas in 2014 even. You can watch him in the Sixers even during that regular season when he just seemed like this fucking crazy, unstoppable offensive force. House, the thing that's crazy to me is he's still able to get to 30 points. That's how skilled...

And, uh, and how well craft shot the lights out last night. Yeah. He's from fit from 15 to 18 feet. It's going in 98% of the time. And he's figured out how to do that and have enough of like going downhill, lurching into people. He can still get his points, but I think the rebounding and the defenses was falling apart. What else have you seen?

Well, what I've seen is he shouldn't be on the basketball court. Like I would like him to take off. I think it would be good for him, for the team, for the franchise, for him to just drop out, come back after the new year, get yourself right, get yourself, give yourself the best chance. And you can, after the new year,

play the games at NBA speed, getting yourself back up into it. But really, all of this dialogue is November dialogue. It doesn't matter for shit. Just be ready in April. That's it. Unless it's so poisons where you might get to come April and you really, the bar is so low, you just have to get to the play-in. In the Eastern Conference. CR, where does this go for you? Most disappointing Philly teams.

Any sport? Extraordinarily high. What was that Eagles team when you had Asamoah and all those guys? Yeah, that was dream team. Yeah, that sucked. But that was like pride comes before the fall. There was just way too much hubris about that team. Yeah. Which is a little like this team. Yeah, maybe you're right. I mean, I thought that this team was really wisely assembled. You know, like it seemed like

Eric Gordon and Caleb Martin. Drummond was Embiid's best backup that he's ever had. It just seemed like this was a very, very expertly, wisely assembled team.

And so to have this be quite the opposite. Yeah. Yeah. And not only that, but it would be one thing if they were just like physically not there to have it clearly be a culture problem within the locker room and a huge amount of distrust and a huge amount of like, forget what the Philly fans think about Embiid. This was kind of repudiation of him from within the team. So whether it was like

a towel guy who told somebody who told somebody who told Shams, that article came out very soon after the meeting and it had quotes. So someone wanted to get a point across and embarrass him and it worked. Very similar to that Celtic team, which was such a disappointing team coming off the Eastern finals, getting Hayward back year two Kyrie. It seemed like he was going to sign and it fell off from the get go, but it had a couple of similarities. One was,

the circus around Kyrie game to game, which she's since then admitted,

He's like, yeah, I was in a really rough spot in Boston that second year. And you could feel it. There was like an emotional rollercoaster that the players were on, the team was on, even the fans were on watching it. Like who, what are we getting today? What version of him? You have that, but you also had people at different points of their career that were the wrong points for the team. Right. And Jalen Brown talked about that recently. He was on that team or Tatum talked about it. Um, he wanted to prove that.

you know, he, he could do this. And it's like, now you're actually going to be standing in the corner for a lot of these plays. You're going to be the number four guy. So the Sixers have a little of that too. As you get older, you start seeing the signs of where it's not working. Whereas you look, I don't know if the Lakers are going to be good or not, but the way connect fit in just with what they needed. And I don't think that team's going to be able to get stops, but Reddick's got ad playing well.

And you can see like, okay, this makes sense. And you know, you watch different basketball teams like, all right, Houston, these guys make sense. There's an identity. Maybe it's not perfect. And then I watched Philly and I'm like, wow, I don't,

I don't know what this is. Yeah. It's also with that Lakers team. The thing that impresses me the most is just how they immediately came into the season with an identity and a sense of purpose where you could have had the last few years of LeBron's career been like a victory lap and it could just been a showcase. And even the Bronnie thing in retrospect now, like has become a footnote to this season where everybody's like, this is going to be such a huge distraction. It doesn't seem to matter. They handled it perfectly. Like,

Redick obviously commands that locker room to some extent, which is incredible given the personalities.

And it's the exact opposite with the Sixers. We'll see what happens when they have a couple of tough games in a row. The schedule's been pretty easy. The Sixers came into the season unprepared, which I don't know whose responsibility that is. Ultimately, it got to be Nick Durst's question. But to be fair, how could they prepare? They couldn't have Joel Embiid and Paul George healthy in preseason on the court at the same time. Then they were unprepared for the eventuality that these guys weren't going to be ready and that they should just maybe...

They should maybe tell the fan base, tell the team, this is what the first six weeks of the season are going to be like. Don't look at the record. You know, it's tough though. When you're, you know, when you're clocking a championship from July on and victory lap and the whole summer, it's tough to just pivot. That was why it was so, it was so shocking when they did the back to back stuff. House, what was your most disappointing team?

I mean, other than the last 35 years of bullets, but did you have a high expectations team that I can't pick one? Uh, I mean, I honestly know like the, you know, the nationals, it took them a little while, but they won the world series in 2019. And it was a new franchise, you know, here in 2005. So, you know, like, Oh, that, that, that team with Jason worth, that should have been the one, like not really the OV getting, uh,

you know, over the, the, the, the penguins getting past Crosby. Uh, finally like that, that was going to be this real disappointing, you know, career, but he got, he got his one and we'll, we'll see what, what the story is with this knee injury. He may yet get Gretzky's, uh, it's getting close. Yeah. Yeah. He's, he is very close. How's his most disappointing team is the wizards not being able to be Kelly Olenek in a game seven. Um,

That's the one that keeps them up at night. You can't say Washington, anything having to do with the basketball team because they haven't won 50 games since 1978. There is no one most disappointing when you're in that kind of a streak. We had a couple of really awful Red Sox teams that were super disappointing. Like there was like a Carl Everett season. There was the chicken and beer season.

Um, but you kind of, you kind of know early when it's happening and that would be my favorite. And I think for you, for the Red Sox, the last couple of seasons, haven't you been like ever since Mookie, you're basically like. Yeah, but you, but I didn't have expectations. I think in this case, you know, they were talking about the Sixers as a possible 60 win team and a two seed and all that stuff. I was thinking about the conversation you had with Waz and Van last week. I think it was. Yeah. Um,

I think sometimes basketball moves on before NBA fans are ready for it to happen. And I think that the sad truth here is that it just might, this might not happen for this team or for at least for Embiid's version of this team. And you just look around and I feel this way often once the NBA finals comes around, I'll watch after the Sixers have been eliminated in the second round or the first round. And I'll be like, this is a different sport. Like the Sixers are not close to this.

And now that he is very clearly on the downside of his career and in kind of like a physical decline, it's really hard to look around and watch the way some of these other teams are playing and moving and be like, oh yeah, I feel like this is a month-long break away from the Sixers. It's not. It's not. It's like, this is probably not going to happen for this guy. And it's really sad. Well, there was...

There was one play yesterday when Jaron Jackson fell down with his legs out and Embiid was dribbling toward him. And I was just like, this is going to be, you talked about the car crash at the beginning. I was like, oh my God, this is going to be something horrible is about to happen. And Embiid of course tripped over him, but he got up. But that's another piece of watching these games where there's three times a game where you feel like something horrible happened to him, or maybe that was it, or

you know, it just feels like he's carrying the weight on his world. It's, it's both not that fun to watch and incredibly riveting to watch with the expectations that this team had. Sierra, what, uh, what December movie are you the most excited about that you've either seen or you want to see? Uh, the December movie I'm probably most excited to see is honestly the Bob Dylan movie, complete unknown. I just, I just, I can't wait to see what the hell they do with this. Um, but yeah, I'm, I'm mostly caught up at this point. Gladiator two, uh,

was the one I was looking forward to the most. Gladiator 2, Denzel is having quite the press tour. He's loving life. 15 years, he was drinking two bottles of wine a day and, oh, I might have tried heroin. Somebody's got to get Denzel his own player pod. CR, am I going to like Gladiator 2?

You'll like it. Okay, good. I do not think it matches the first one. Fine, fine. I can live with that. House hasn't watched this claimer yet. Do you want to talk about Landman for a minute? Can you cheer me up? That was the other reason you came on. House hasn't seen it, but he could just nod. Landman, Taylor Sheridan, first two episodes up. Billy Bob Thornton as the lead. Jon Hamm as the lead.

Playing a seemingly evil, rich oil guy. Yeah. Married to Demi Moore, even though I think she's probably like eight years older than him, whatever. She also has had one line in two episodes so far, even though she's in a bunch of scenes. I think the line was, are you paying me in cash? Billy Bob Thornton's daughter, for some reason, is...

comfortable with her body i think it's comfortable talking to billy bob thornton about sex in ways that i promise you fathers and daughters don't discuss um there's that and then uh our guy who's our guy who spoiler got blown up at the end of the first episode panya michael panya michael panya who they did the red herring of here's a name actor he's going to be part of the cast

But then if you looked in the credits, it was like they... What was that other show where they killed Kyle Chandler in the first episode? Kingstown. Mayor of Kingstown. This is... CR, if we ever create one of these shows, we're just killing off somebody famous in the first episode. Because that's what you do. But I liked it. We enter a world and Billy Bob Thornton's just Chef Billy Bob. Yeah, it's basically how... If I have to pitch it, it's Billy Bob Thornton driving around West Texas from crisis to crisis. He's basically...

uh, like the Michael Clayton of this oil company. And every time something goes wrong, he's got to call John Hamm, who's somewhere where he's like, hold on. I gotta, I gotta, I'm at a polo match. Yeah. And he's like, I'm going to TCU track meet or a polo match. Yeah. And they have an awesome conversation.

Where he's just like, I'm your fucking boss. Don't yell at me. And he's like, all right, well, we got to stop this leak. And then it's great. It's a lot of Jon Hamm on a cell phone. It looks like there's a couple of people who look like they all film their scenes in one day. Possibly Jon Hamm's a candidate. Well, Allie Larder. So Allie Larder, Varsity Blues, Whipped Cream Sunday fame.

And then Heroes fame and everybody loves her and she just kind of comes and goes every seven years. So now she's in and all of her scenes are on FaceTime. And I don't know, does she not have legs anymore, CR? What's going on here? It's unbelievable because it's like, did she get paid like a million dollars to stand in a pool and be on FaceTime? Or does she have like an incredible character arc coming?

And this is just the setup for the character. Or she couldn't do the first two episodes because she had a pre-planned flaming vacation. Yeah. So can you do your scenes on FaceTime? She's like, I can. Taylor Sheridan breaks all the rules. That's why he makes the big bucks. Do actors have to be in the same location when they shoot scenes? No, apparently not. But what's the point of this show, CR? I think it's just supposed to be, you know, like about the...

the sort of cynical world of oil production where, I mean, do you want to know what the point of like, why would anybody like this? No, I think ultimately, like when we leave season one,

What's Taylor Sheridan trying to tell us? Or is he just like, oil, actors, things blowing up. It's going to be Yellowstone with oil. I think he's trying to tell us about like what happens to characters when they dedicate their life to something that is very morally complicated. So like in the same way with Yellowstone is about like everything it costs to keep a ranch like that going. This is about like

hey, like without this stuff, the world stops running the way we want it to. But what we have to do to get it out of the ground and everything is like pretty complicated.

Obviously not enough of an important theme to get House to watch an episode. I'll tell you that much. Where is it? Where do I find it? It's on Paramount+. I have to pay for that. If it was Taylor Sheridan's massage parlor, House would have already seen the first episode. The massage parlor industry. I'm watching sports. I'm here for the ringer. Yeah, that's true. It is football basketball season. I'm really happy for Olly Larder.

I'm happy for Billy Bob Thornton, who seems to have more hair every time we see him. He was completely bald 30 years ago. Now it's like a Michael Landon type of thing on the top. He drinks Michelob Ultra the entire show. Yeah.

I love it. The balls. That's fantastic. He has a scene where he, he, his hand got fucked up. So he went to the doctor and he didn't have time to wait for surgery. And the guy's like, we got to get a hand specialist in. And Billy Bob's like, I'll just cut the pinky off. Let's save the time and just cut carves his pinky off. Cause he's a tough motherfucker. What's his name on this show?

Billy Bob. His name is Tommy Norris. Tommy, Tommy Norris is a tough motherfucker. Yeah. I really had a good time. I loved it. My wife fell asleep like seven different times. It was great. It was perfect. You didn't wake her up for the daughter scenes to be like, get a load of this. I have a question I want to ask, but I can't ask it on the pod. So I'll wait. You want to ask it during the break? During the break. Yeah. Whenever we're together, I have a question. All right. CR, I'll see you tomorrow because, uh,

We're taping a rewatchables and it's a movie from the 1980s. And that's all I'm going to say, but we're both very excited about it. Been circling for a while. Thanks CR. See you, Chris Ryan. Taking a break.

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We really liked the Colts and the Jets and somehow did the wrong bet. We did a bet with the Colts plus three and a half with Richardson's rushing. And then he had the ball a ton rushing and somehow didn't hit the 38 and a half. And then we had the Chiefs in a tease. Chiefs up to plus eight.

and Chiefs plus three and a half from another tease. And that game was a one score game and they didn't win. I have no regrets about putting the Chiefs in the tease. No, no. I do regret listening to you on the Browns. That was a mistake. That was a mistake. We don't want to talk about it. We're moving on. So week 12, there's

Three games I like and a parlay I like. Which one do you want to hit first, the parlay or the three games? Let's save the parlay for last. Parlay is like dessert, right? It's like the nice sundae at the end because we're taking all these nice parts and put them together. All right, so Schrager and I in part one of the podcast talked about this Packers-Niners game. Packers are minus one and a half at home. They almost beat the Niners last year in the playoffs and really could have.

They've been a team that we all kind of like from a talent standpoint that has not really totally put it together again. But what we have always seen primarily with the NFL right around Thanksgiving time, somebody starts making a jump and some people would think that's going to be the Niners. And I just don't see it. I think it's been a year from hell. I didn't like the way McCaffrey looked last week at all. Kittles banged up their defenses in the same.

And from a narrative standpoint, house, I could see this being a game where the Packers take care of business. We officially realize it's not the Niners year. And we start thinking about this Packers team as a possible. All right. Maybe they'll give the Lions a good game in the playoffs game. What don't you like about that narrative theory? That the Packers don't look like a team to me that can take care of business.

They are messing around, playing around, effing around with their food every week. And,

I think it is because Jordan Love is not 100% healthy. We haven't had that real Jordan Love breakout game that became the hallmark of that Packers team the second half of last season that also coincided with Aaron Jones ripping off a bunch of honey yard. So they don't have, they have the back. It is Jacobs.

But, you know, we haven't seen sort of that two-headed monster. They get vertical with Jordan Love because he's got all the time to get to those receivers. The receivers, their core is still great. Their receiving core is still great. And Jacobs will get his yards sometimes in certain circumstances. But we haven't really seen the full rev of that. Can I give you the game where we did see it? Because it was a while ago. Let's hear it. Week six, Arizona.

Love through four TDs. They beat Arizona 34 to 13. We chalked it up to like, ah, wow, it's Arizona. Arizona's been really good since that game. And now I look back to that week six and I think, ah, that was a pretty good win. Cause then after that they play Houston. They win by two. They play at Jacksonville. They win by three. Kind of a stupid game. They play home against Detroit.

They lose by 10, but Detroit's the best team in the league. Much worse than that. And then they play last week against Chicago. And it was a play your food with your food game against a team that a new offensive coordinator. And I thought the bears played really well in that game, but they did get it done at the end. So I guess my theory is they're a little undervalued. I think San Francisco is still a little overvalued because I think people keep waiting for the real San Francisco to show up and I'm not sure it's there.

And maybe this is the week. I think they should be favored by two and a half or three. So I feel like I'm getting like a free point or point and a half. So the crazy thing is the line was two and a half earlier this week, but I think that was a hedge because the reports of, of Purdy Purdy was doing limited practice and he's got a sore shoulder and there was a, you know, some speculation about whether or not he was going to play, uh,

In this game, the fact that it's moved down to one and a half seems like some money's come in on the Niners that suggests that Purdy's going to play. And if that's the case... Injured George Kittle, who said he's going to try to play. Yeah. Well, that makes me nervous. What do we think about Bosa? Juwan Jennings, Bosa, a little compromise. Bosa, I mean, it seems like it might be game time decision whether he plays or not.

And then in Lambeau against a team that feels like they should have beaten them last year and has something to prove. I like the spot for the Packers. I'm in on this bet. I'm going to let you do it. We're not going to have a disagreement. You're afraid, but you're afraid that you're still like a little afraid of the Niners.

Yeah, because they have all that talent. We haven't seen McCaffrey yet. But that's my point is I don't think McCaffrey is healthy. He may not be. So it's like you saying like, I don't, we haven't seen him beat yet. It's like, I don't know if we're seeing him beat for a while. Like, I don't think to me, McCaffrey doesn't look like McCaffrey yet. I think that's kind of fair. I'm worried about seeing him this week. Packers minus one half. I'm marking that down. Cardinals Seahawks.

Cardinals are getting one and a half in Seattle. There's some weather stuff maybe with this game that makes me a little nervous with Kyler Murray and bad weather. In general, the Seahawks going from seeming like their season was over last week, they get the huge drive from Geno against the Niners, which is another bad sign with the Niners that they gave up that long Geno drive.

And now they're playing the Cardinals at home this week and they have a chance to really reinsert themselves in this race. We have Seattle bets from before the season. I think I might even have them to win the NFC West, which could be still alive, but they win this game. I'm a Cardinals believer. I think they're good. They really won me over the last few weeks. And the thing I like about this house is

is you have Seattle's defense 27th against the run in Arizona with this physical pounding running game they have with James Connor. I just feel like they can run the ball, run the ball, run the ball.

And even if you're going to like Seattle in this game, that maybe it's an Arizona first bet Seattle for the game, like plus 800 type thing. But I think Arizona can beat them. I, I think this, this is another narrative game to me where we come out of and go Arizona. I think they're for real at the same time, Seattle's ability to throw the ball and run the ball and come from behind, which they did last week scares me a little. So where do you stand?

Um, it's a 50, 50 game. We talked about this on, on East coast bias, uh, Raheem Palmer and I went, we're heads up. I preferred, uh, Arizona and the dream is on Seattle. My issue with Seattle is that is the least trustworthy offensive line in football. Each of the times that I've tried to come up with a basis for Seattle, you know, taking advantage of somebody it's, it's born out of the idea that they can establish the run and, and,

They sometimes can and sometimes can't. And most of the time can't. Part of the reason to prefer Seattle would be the return of DK Metcalf. And really, I mean, Smith and Jigba has been incredible, both from a fantasy perspective, but most importantly, from a chemistry perspective with Gino. So the question for Arizona is, can they put pressure on Gino? Because the Spits are crazy.

crazy with, with Gino when he has time. And that really was the thing that, that Seattle was able to take advantage of down the stretch against the Niners. No Bosa.

And Gino, you know, got really comfortable with the lanes he could run in and the lanes he could see to throw the ball in. I don't really have a strong feel. I express a preference for Arizona, but I certainly could see Seattle. Dream said that in his model, these teams are dead even. So it really does feel like a 50-50 game. Yeah.

I just want to point out Seattle's last five of their last seven. Sure, sure. It came within one San Francisco stop, but that being six to seven. Yep. I'm happy to be wrong on this, and if so, lose some money, but I like this Arizona team.

I think they know who they are and they can run the ball. And I think they'll be able to pressure Gino and make a couple of mistakes. And I just think they're better. It's just a defense for Arizona. That's all right. They've been on the right side of, of like variance, a bunch of like games that they've won by one or two points. 21st pass defense and Seattle is second with the past. And as you mentioned, Smith and the jig bow has been, uh, been a revelation last week. He was awesome in that last game. Like they were going over and over again. I'm going to mark the Cardinals down. That's fine.

Ravens Chargers. My first instinct was I really like the Chargers. And the more I stared at it, and the more I stared at it, I keep coming back to this question. Are the Ravens really going to go seven and five? That's going to be their record?

after week 12? There'd be seven and five? I don't want to do this because we had a conversation at the very beginning of the season. We were looking at teams after week one and said, here's the list of teams. You know, we were looking for some... There were some giant lines out there. And we were like...

Are the Ravens really going to go? Oh, and two are the Ravens going to lose to the Raiders? Yeah. The mother, they did it. Those sons of bitches. So I don't want that to be the rationale. Well, can I give you this? They have four losses. They lost the Kansas city on the Isaiah likely stepped on six inches of the line game. They blew that Vegas game where they're up 10 in the fourth quarter. And that's the weirdest result of the year. I would put it against any other game.

They dropped the game winning interception in Cleveland. The fucking guy dropped it. And Jameis ends up going down and getting it. But he just threw them an interception. They didn't catch it. And the Pittsburgh game was stupid. I mean, I loved it because I had Pittsburgh, but missed multiple field goals. Like it was just one of those games. It's what happens. That's what happens in those games. And then I look at the Chargers, who I think are a really good team.

Uh, for, you know, as a home team, I get it. I had them last week, but, um, I feel like the, the, the Ravens can just run on them and move the ball. And you think about how easily burrow was able to just move the ball in the second half against the chargers. Why wouldn't Baltimore be able to do that? That's the thing to me. So I don't think the charges are really good team. I think they are really, really good surprise team. Exactly. Perfect. Perfect.

Perfect way to put it because it is incredible. They tried their God damn this to charge her the F out of that game, but, but hardball. And then whatever's going on inside the locker room with those guys, they just did enough to not charge her the outcome of that game. But I thought that what we saw in the second half when Cincinnati, I mean, it really was a game where like, whoever has the ball at the end of this game is going to win this epic game. Um,

And they could not, under any circumstances, slow down that Cincinnati offense, slow down Joe Burrow. And I really think that, which one's the younger? I thought Jim was older. Jim's older, I think. And Jim is the Charger coach, right? Yeah. Oh my God, House. Really? Yeah.

No, I think John's older. That's why you're confusing me. I'm pretty sure John's older. I'm confusing you. You thought Jim Harbaugh was maybe not the Chargers coach. That was a big... John Harbaugh, older brother. I think it's John. John Harbaugh's older. Good call. See, there we go. You're trying to make fun of me because I don't know which is which. Big brother, little brother. I like it. It's a rematch of the Super Bowl. Big brother had his way.

I, I, I, so you're saying if you coach against either of your black sheep brothers, it's a guaranteed win. Just back house with any money line. Not only that, but I would be looking for an opportunity to put my nuts on their forehead. Absolutely. We might have to have both of the house brothers on at some point, just so people know they exist. I can assure you they're available.

Would Dickhouse ever come on or would we have to put him on a seven second delay? Definitely with delay. Yes. Yes, for sure. Well, Baltimore. I love the Ravens. I mean, you know, we can cut to the chase. Yeah, because they have the 32nd pass defense. But what we saw from the Chargers last week, their receivers, they're okay. They're really getting, they're eking out the most they can get out of it. But there's still some moments where they're like, oh yeah, that's right. You're Josh Palmer.

And oh yeah, that's right. You're Justin Herbert. Remember?

Like for a quarter and a half. Yeah. Right. We know who you are, buddy. We know all you've got the great. Wow. I don't want to make the nerds mad now. Don't make the nerds mad. I actually like him. I think he's like terrific. And all the reports like he's a golf guy. Like I'm into Justin. I like that shot they had before the game of him. Harbaugh pounding his pads and just yelling at him. And he was kind of like, I like Herbert, but he'll he'll disappear for a quarter in a heartbeat. Let there be no doubt.

I just can't get past the Ravens going seven and five seems crazy to me. And I think they're going to be able to move the ball up and down the chargers. Mac didn't play last week. The chargers defense doesn't seem as crazy good as it was five, six weeks ago to me. I agree. All right. That's our third one. And then, uh, I really want to work the Broncos into something. The Broncos are that line is now up to six and a half in Vegas. No way. No, can't do that. That's way too many points.

Well, we're going to put them in a parlay. Thank God. That's a relief. Vegas is offense. This is really something.

So Amir Abdullah was trending as a roster trend and fantasy leagues this week. Cause he has a chance to be the running. And I was like, Amir Abdullah feels like he's been around a while. He's 31. Wow. I would have thought, I would have guessed like 25. So he's like almost Zeke Elliott's age. Um, he's the, going to be the running back, their quarterback situations and debacle. They have no receivers. No, it's just Brock Bowers over and over again. Yep. Which I'm pretty sure Sean Payton is aware of Brock Bowers. I'm,

I don't know how the Raiders Denver's defense. It's first yards per play. Second sacks, third hits that Vegas can't block. Uh, I get that it's in Vegas, but, and, and you also have Denver coming off, uh, a big win last week, but, um,

I just don't see how, I think Vegas might be done. They might be a short for the rest of the year until we get to some sort of weird Christmas situation. So Broncos with the chiefs in Carolina, they're favored by 10 and a half. Okay. Chiefs coming off a loss. Yeah. Carolina's defense 32nd against the run and 31st on first downs just feels like the chiefs will move the ball and do chief stuff. So chiefs down to minus two and a half Broncos money line. And then your team.

The Washington commanders, AKA the C words. Yeah. Favored by 10 and a half against the Cowboys. Can we, can we just have them win by three? Can we have Casey win by three? Washington wins by three and the Broncos win. That is plus one Oh three on FanDuel. And I would like to do it.

I love it. That's a, that's a dessert parlay. Three nice ingredients pulled together to make beautiful harmony in our, in our mouth, in our mouths. If it was a, what are you doing for your, for your dessert? Are you a pumpkin pie guy for Thanksgiving dessert? What are you putting in your mouth for that? I love pumpkin pie, but I also really love pecan pie. Oh, great. And what I like to do is, is get a slice of each and then eat both.

And even mix the bites. Let me recommend that you add one more because this is, oh, have you had sweet potato pie? Oh, sweet potato pie is great. Magnificent. Yeah, I would totally add that. So you're going a menage a pie. Yeah. Forget it, man. We can do this in proper Thanksgiving style. That sounds great. I want to give out all of my thanks to those beautiful pies. So sweet potato pie, pumpkin pie. And pecan pie. And pecan pie all together.

I want to F-bomb that one. Call that one the Joe House is asleep on the couch pie. Because that's what would happen about 14 minutes after. That's a full pie parlay. That's what that is. We're getting the pies ready. Everybody's getting the ingredients. Everybody's going to the store this weekend to pull it together. We'll be going to the store this weekend with all the extra money in our pockets from that delicious pie parlay, baby. Yeah, that's right. We'll make that the pie parlay. I was thinking, I watch The Sopranos every night before I go to bed because my wife's asleep.

And, uh, and so I, I finished season four, five, six, seven. And then I was like, you know what? I don't, I, I'm going to stay with these guys. I circled back, started with one of them. So Pine Barrens was on last night. Oh my God. Which, you know, is the legendary Sopranos. You can't really go to bed after you watch that. No, I was so fired up. Yeah. And I was like, oh, I'll watch 20 minutes. I ended up watching the whole thing. Um, but they're in the car and, um,

Chris finds the ketchup packets and he gives them the ketchup packets and there's relish. Oh, Polly. Well, that's, this is the funniest character of all time. I think he's funny in any comedy guy and he's eating the ketchup and he's like, mix it with the relish. Mix it with the relish with the ketchup packets and the relish packets.

And that's what made me think of the pumpkin pie, sweet potato pie, pecan pie is the poly walnuts. Mix it with the relish dessert extravaganza. Mix it with the relish, Chrissy. It's outrageous. I'm going to lose my foot. Before we go, before we move on, you don't have any interest in this Philadelphia, LA Rams game. I, cause folks are, you know,

um, I see, I've seen some, some arguments on both sides that people are really arguing tat, you know, be careful. It's a be careful situation. And, you know, especially Jalen hurts these nuts. You, you know, you want to, you don't want to be in situation. To me, I had it marked down as a stay away. Okay. Okay. Because, uh,

I thought the Pats absolutely could have beaten the Rams last week. And they did some of the dumbest shit. We blitzed Stafford the whole game. There were stats afterwards after Sal and I did the pod that

Um, they single covered cup and Nakua basically all game, which guess how that turned out terribly. Um, Mayo was just, couldn't have been less aggressive in the worst possible situations. And, and yet the, the Pats had the ball with a chance to win the game. I just didn't think the Rams looked that good. I'm, I'm, I'm with you and I don't trust the Eagles. Well, that, that, that's it. Especially, you know, the,

Jalen hurts. These nuts is not been as accurate. He is running great. His legs look, look great, but here's the test and why I understand why people are advocating in favor of the Rams. They're home. They're home dogs. First of all, they're plus two and a half.

And the Eagles secondary deserves the plaudits that's receiving from the draft of those two rookies. They've been playing very well. But this is an entirely different class of offense, if this offense really gets going, that the Eagles are up against. So I just wanted to make sure we talked through it, didn't have a conviction on it. So the case is...

They, they kind of went straight forward last week because they knew that the Pats game, knowing this Eagles game was coming. McVay against Fangio. This is a kitchen sink game. I, that's one of the reasons I like the Ravens. I think the Ravens, it's a kitchen sink game. Love it. Cause you're seven and five. You're out of the AFC North. Now you might be like a six seed, you know, and you, you, you kind of need to, you need the game.

And the, uh, the six seat is going to get either Buffalo or the chiefs in the first round. No part of that playoffs. Lord have mercy. And the Rams need every game. Cause they're in a dog fight with all those NFC West. So I do wonder if like, that's why it's a stay away though. Cause I can talk to myself in each side. There was one other game. I really liked. You're going to make fun of me.

The Pats are plus 310 in Miami. I'm not making fun of you. I think it's funny. I think that line's crazy. I understand it. But, man, I'm not betting against Drake May. Let me have Drake May in a touchdown. That's fine. Is it seven or seven and a half? Yeah, so I was wondering, is there...

I mean, they're so stupidly coached that I almost feel like you should take the money line. Wait, which team? Well, both teams. But there's like, you can get May for 200 plus yards, the Pats to win the game, and Drake May two passing touchdowns is six to one. Drake May one passing TD,

200 yards passing, Pats win the game is plus 411, which doesn't really buy you that much value from the plus 310. I just didn't know if there was some sort of Drake May with the Pats bet that we wanted to think about. I'll let you think about it. I know that I'll just play the side on the Pats. I'm not laying those points with the Dolphins. It's crazy. You're not laying the seven. Do you like the seven with the Pats? Or do you like the plus 310 fuck it bet? No, no. I prefer the points.

The plus seven. Yeah. I prefer the plus seven. All right. All right. It's time. Million dollar picks week 12 heading into Thanksgiving house's favorite day of the year. Does anything even close to Thanksgiving for you? No, nothing rivals it. I think you, I have a lot of people in my life who love Thanksgiving, including me, including nephew Kyle.

You're number one. You love it the most. I've seen you be worried that you might have to be driven to the hospital because you ate too much. You passed out multiple times. You drink too much. You eat too much. If you die from overeating and overdrinking, it will be on Thanksgiving.

Everybody will understand. They'll be like, house died. Was it Thanksgiving? It was. Million dollar picks week 12. We lost $355,000 last week. And it was really because of the Chiefs because they didn't cover a couple of teases. I'm fine with it. Did you say it was the fifth time in 124 games that the Chiefs have lost by more than eight points? It's fine. We were on the wrong side of a historic event. We are still up $413,000 for the season house.

And we're going to put 200K on the following bets.

The Baltimore Ravens minus three on the road against the LA Chargers. Are the Ravens going to go seven and five? I don't think so. Can they throw all over the place of the Chargers? I do think so. Is there a big brother getting revenge on his little brother? House, you're a big brother. I mean, it's not even getting revenge. It's just taking advantage of what's rightfully yours. That's it. You were first. It's your little brother. So exactly right. Yeah, you were first and that's it.

Chargers, great win last week. Some holes. Some things that we saw we didn't love. I just think the Ravens...

They're not going seven and five. It's too ridiculous. They've already had four dumb losses. They're not going to have five Ravens minus three. That's our first one. Cardinals plus one and a half in Seattle, Seattle, a great somewhat lucky win against a banged up Niners team that last week to save their season. I think the Cardinals run the ball all over the Seahawks.

I like their defense. I think they lose that game in week six to the Packers. And since then, I like the way they look house. I think they're going to win the division. We're both in. Yeah. Cardinals coming off the bye week. And if you look at the last 10 games of the Seahawks at home, they're against the spread numbers are not very good at home. The 12th man might need to step it up a little bit. 12th man in trouble. Maybe roommates with Joel Embiid. Packers at home minus one and a half against the Niners.

Almost beat them last year in the playoffs. Couldn't do it. Catching a Niners team at a really nice time. I think this is a shell of the Niners team we think it is. You're on your own on this one. Yeah, I know. You're not against it, but you're letting me do a guitar solo. That's it. I believe in the talent on this Packers team.

They killed Arizona in week six. I think they're due for another really good game. Fans are going to be fired up. Atmosphere is going to be great. Weather won't be awesome. I like the spot Packers minus one and a half. So put 200 K on all three of those. And then we have a little parlay for you. Bringing the chiefs in Carolina out of minus two and a half. Bring in your Washington C words against the carcass of Dallas Cowboys down to two and a half at home.

And then the Denver Broncos, a team that did us really nicely last week that we've won some money on this year that we really appreciate. Bo Nix making a run at offensive player of the year with your guy, Jaden Daniels. Fine. We're going to take the Broncos money line in Vegas against a terrible Vegas team. You put those three together. Broncos money line, Chiefs minus two and a half, Washington minus two and a half, plus 103. Good. 200K on that?

200 K on that. Yes, sir. It is the pie parlay after all. And then last but not least, cause it's Thanksgiving and house is feeling generous. He's allowing me to do a Drake May parlay. Cause I love Drake May. He's playing in Miami podcast. He doesn't need a player pod. This is it. Well, the line's too high and this past team might, might be deficient in certain areas.

They might be poor. The coach, maybe they might make dumb mistakes every week, but they almost beat the Rams last week. And I think it's worth a flyer. Pats plus seven and a half. Good. Like the extra hook. That's a nice one. Drake made 200 plus passing yards. Mm hmm.

Drake made over 26.5 rushing yards. That's two scrambles. Yeah. Roll them out there. Maybe in the first half. Drake made one passing touchdown. Just one. Okay. Okay. Plus 341. We are putting...

50 K on that 50 K. Good number. That's right. Good. It's a little, it's a little sprinkling. The Drake Mace full facial. Well, it's the Drake May, almost like the pie parlay. You talked about earlier, a pecan pie, sweet potato pie, pumpkin pie. That's Drake made 200 plus yards over 26 and a half rushing yards. One plus passing touchdowns hop on the Drake May bandwagon right now. Those are the million dollar picks for week 12 house. Happy weekend before Thanksgiving.

Great to see you. And we'll see you on the ringer Sunday pregame show on Sunday on YouTube TV and FanDuel TV before of the action. Thanks for being on. Can't wait. Thanks, buddy. All right. That's it for the podcast. Thanks to Steve Cerruti and Kyle Creighton as always. Thanks to Joe House and Chris Ryan. Don't forget ringer Sunday pregame. That show is going on on YouTube TV and FanDuel TV on Sunday. Maybe I'll even pop on for a second. Who knows?

And don't forget about a new Rewatchables coming on Monday. It is a movie from the 1980s. I'll give you some hints over the weekend on the Rewatchables Twitter feed. Enjoy the weekend. I will see you on Sunday night.

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