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Will It Happen Again? | Facts Ep. 16

2024/8/24
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旁白: 本集探讨了大萧条的成因及其对未来经济政策的影响,介绍了凯恩斯主义、货币主义和奥地利学派三种主要理论。凯恩斯主义认为政府干预可以增加需求,实现充分就业,但胡佛和罗斯福政府的实践证明其失败,反而加剧了萧条。货币主义则认为货币供应量下降是主因,而奥地利学派认为宽松货币政策制造了泡沫。大萧条的争论也延伸到2008年金融危机,左派认为是银行家贪婪导致,右派则认为是政府政策失误。最后,通过对比1907年和1920年的经济危机,说明了自由市场机制的重要性。 Harold Cole和Lee Ohanian: 罗斯福新政人为抬高物价和工资,阻碍了市场的自我调节,延长了经济萧条。 Milton Friedman和Anna Schwartz: 货币供应量下降是导致大萧条的主要原因,银行收回贷款导致经济流动性下降,人们囤积现金加剧了经济收缩。 Murray Rothbard: 奥地利学派认为,大萧条的根本原因是公众对金融体系的信心丧失,单纯增加货币供应无法解决问题。 Phil Graham和Mike Solon: 1980年以来的银行法案中没有一项安全和稳健措施被废除,这反映了政府监管的不足。 Robert P. Murphy: 自由市场是避免大萧条的最佳方案,政府干预和监管并不能有效解决经济危机。 胡佛: 胡佛政府通过增加政府支出和补贴农业试图应对大萧条,但这些措施未能奏效,反而加剧了经济危机。 罗斯福: 罗斯福新政延续了凯恩斯主义的政策,但同样未能有效解决大萧条,反而延长了经济萧条的持续时间。 奥巴马: 奥巴马政府在2008年金融危机后采取了增加支出、税收和监管的措施,导致了现代美国历史上最缓慢的经济复苏。 J.P. Morgan和John Rockefeller: 1907年金融危机中,J.P.摩根和洛克菲勒等银行家通过收购不良资产和注入资金,迅速稳定了金融市场,避免了大规模经济衰退。

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The Great Depression, a defining economic crisis of the 20th century, raises crucial questions about its origins and the potential for recurrence. Three primary theories attempt to explain the Depression: Keynesian, Monetarist, and Austrian, each with distinct implications for economic policy.
  • Three main theories explain the Great Depression: Keynesian, Monetarist, and Austrian.
  • Understanding the cause of the Great Depression is crucial for shaping effective economic policies to prevent future crises.

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It's the roaring 20s in America. An age of miracles. An age of art. An age of excess. But no more. Now the 30s have begun.

And there is a new word, depression. What caused the Great Depression? And could it happen again? It's one of the great puzzles of economics and one of the most important questions in history. It's important because depending on what you think caused the Great Depression, you might structure an entire economic policy around avoiding such a situation again.

And indeed, that's precisely what has happened over the course of American history. In a desire to prevent another Great Depression, our government has grown in unprecedented ways, ironically setting the stage for a great stagnation still to come. There are essentially three main theories as to what caused the Great Depression. The Keynesian Theory, the Monetarist Theory, and the Austrian Theory.

John Maynard Keynes, born in 1883, is perhaps the most influential economist in modern history. His book, The General Theory of Employment, Interest, and Money, is a nearly unreadable tome with a seductive central thesis that a free market economy, left to its own devices, does not create full employment, but that by increasing demand in the marketplace via government pumping, full employment can indeed be achieved.

According to Keynes, the problem of the Great Depression was secular stagnation. People apparently stopped wanting to buy things. Normally, the idea is that if consumption falls, savings rise. When savings rise, interest rates go down as banks need to pay people less for storing their money. When interest rates go down, borrowing increases. Investment and innovation are thus renewed. This theory, supply-side economics, was rejected by Keynes. Keynes argued that if businesses expected demand to level off for the long term, they wouldn't invest at all.

Thus, to restart the economy, massive government interventionism would be necessary. FDR took the Keynesian theory to heart. It failed utterly. In fact, in an early iteration of Keynesian theory, Herbert Hoover actually radically increased government spending. Here's Hoover on his own agenda in 1932. We might have done nothing. That would have been utter ruin. Instead...

We met the situation with proposals to private business and to the Congress of the most gigantic program of economic defense and counterattack ever involved, ever evolved in the history of the republic. In 1929, the federal budget was $3.1 billion. By 1932, it increased it to $4.6 billion, a nearly 50% increase. Hoover also participated in subsidies to agriculture on a massive scale, tried to pressure firms not to cut workers and wages,

FDR doubled down on Hoover's policies.

The result was, according to professors Harold Cole and Lee Ohanian of UCLA's Department of Economics, an economic depression prolonged by at least seven years.

According to Cole and Ohanian, quote,

The economy was poised for a beautiful recovery, but that recovery was stalled by these misguided policies. By artificially inflating both prices and wages, the New Deal policies short-circuited the market's self-correcting forces. Then there's the second theory of the Great Depression, the monetarist theory. In their classic 1963 book, A Monetary History of the United States, Milton Friedman and Anna Schwartz suggested the Great Depression was caused by a drop in the stock of money. Banks began calling in loans in order to pay off their depositors, thus sucking liquidity out of the economy.

This lack of monetary supply, they argued, led to a massive contraction as people hoarded the money they had. In the aftermath of the collapse of Keynesian theory of economics, thanks to stagflation in the 70s, in which money was injected into the system only to lead to high levels of inflation and economic stagnation, the monetarist theory became the way of the world. It remains the basis for Federal Reserve policy today, which seeks monetary stability. The final theory of the Great Depression is the Austrian theory.

These economists believe that easy money policies essentially created a bubble prior to the Great Depression. That bursting bubble was then exacerbated by terrible economic policy. There's a debate among Austrian economists as to whether Milton Friedman's theory of monetary contraction was correct, or whether, as Murray Rothbard argued, the real problem was a lack of faith in the system from the population at large that the Federal Reserve could not have stemmed by simply injecting more cash into the system.

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The arguments about the Great Depression were projected forward into arguments about the causes of the Great Recession in 2007-2008.

The left essentially argued that greedy banking industry titans took advantage of predatory loans on those who couldn't afford them, sliced and diced those loans and mixed them with higher-rated assets, creating an entire industry of poison credit instruments, which were then insured in credit default swaps. When subprime loans went bust, the entire system took it on the chin. The solution was more government regulation and, for some reason, more subsidization of demand for things like subprime mortgages.

The right argues that all of this was incentivized by governmental action via Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. But the Clinton era revision of the Community Investment Act led to bank regulators pressuring banks to make those subprime loans with the quiet guarantee that if things went south, the government would bail them out. By the year 2000, Fannie and Freddie had been ordered by the Department of Housing and Urban Development to make half of their mortgage purchases affordable housing loans. Total CRA lending spiked from $8 billion in 1991 to $4.5 trillion in 2007.

By 1999, only 45% of residential mortgage loans acquired by Fannie and Freddie were solid prime loans. As Senator Phil Graham, former Republican chairman of the Senate Banking Committee, and Mike Solon, former economic policy advisor to Mitch McConnell, wrote, quote,

But a review of banking laws adopted since 1980 reveals that not one single safety and soundness measure was repealed. We've risen from recession. We have the capacity to write our own future. We're better positioned than any other nation on Earth. All these theories were tried out in the aftermath of the crash of 2008. The economic crash became a great recession thanks to the intervention of Barack Obama, who spiked spending, taxation, and regulation. He followed FDR's playbook. The result was the slowest economic recovery in modern American history.

In 1994, the federal government spent about $1.5 trillion. In 2007, the federal government spent about $2.7 trillion. In 2009, that number jumped to $3.5 trillion and stayed around or above that number for the entirety of Barack Obama's presidency. To understand what bad depression policy looks like, it's also worth looking at two depressions that didn't happen

In 1907, the stock market cratered after a failed attempt to take over of United Copper. A consortium of major bankers led by J.P. Morgan came in and bought up all the troubled assets. John Rockefeller inserted an enormous amount of his own money into a troubled bank. The panic lasted precisely one month. In 1920, the markets entered a depression as the United States and the rest of the world exited the war economy of World War I. Inflation and wartime expenditures had put governments behind the eight ball.

Their solution, a massive slashing of the federal budget from $18.5 billion in 1919 to $6.4 billion in 1920, and then all the way down to $3.3 billion in 1922. The New York Fed, meanwhile, raised its discount rate despite a collapse in the monetary base. The unemployment rate spiked to 11.7% in 1921. It was down to 2.4% by 1923.

As Robert P. Murphy of the Independent Energy Institute writes, "The conclusion seems obvious to anyone whose mind is not firmly locked into the Keynesian or monetarist framework: the free market works. Economic theory has practical consequences. A free market remains the single best answer to the possibility of a Great Depression. Not regulation, not priming the pump. The free market."