Kelly Mantle & Two Space Heaters to the Face with Trixie
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So wait a minute.

You were in drag at 10 a.m. this morning. Honey, I had to get up at 7, get in drag, and we were live streaming at 10 today.

That is nuts. How many things have you done so far today? We filmed today. We did a live stream because YouTube Shopping has a new shopping feature and we did a collaboration with them today. So I was up doing like QVC, showing products while people bought it live. It was really fun. I love that. That's your fantasy. My dream, Kelly. It's been one of my dreams my whole life was to do like a live shopping event. So it was thrilling. My heart was racing. Oh my God, I love that. It was the thrill of the theater. And then after that,

Brittany Broski came over here and we did a video. We were decoupaging phone cases to make mood boards. So I decoupage this today. Oh my God, I love that. Is that Martha Stewart? And who's the bottom one? Serena Williams. Serena Williams. I love Serena Williams. And sperm, bottoms. See, I have this terrible thing because I drop my phone all the time. Can we talk about this, Kelly? Girl, I drop my phone a million times a day. But... If I didn't have it, I wouldn't have a phone list. A smashed phone is better than this. No. Are you in Tron? No.

Are you alien versus predator? What is his phone case? No, I'm a camper. Do you know what I could see you driving, though? Like, I think in another life, Kelly, you were conservative. Really? You would make a great conservative. Oh. Because you're kind of southern. That would be terrible. I could see you pulling up in a Land Rover or like a Humvee and being like, you want my gun? Try and take it. You try and take it. This ain't Texas, honey. This is Trixie's podcast, and I'm going to fuck you up. Conti's not a part of it anymore. What?

It's not Katya's podcast anymore. No, it's not. I just think it's funny that as soon as she goes away for a little while, you show up in full drag saying, well, I'm available. I just think it's funny. Now, you all called me. I didn't know nothing about nothing. And y'all called me up and asked me to be here. Now, get the story straight. I don't know nothing about birth and no babies. I don't know nothing about... Trust me, I'm not trying to take no one's gig. This is too much work.

You're like, I'm already exhausted. I am exhausted, girl. Is it over? Well, I have to say, we're lucky to get you look gorgeous. Doesn't she look beautiful in the studio, everybody? Oh, quit it some more. She looks beautiful. Quit it some more, honey. Guys, if you ever see Kelly in person, she is transfixing. You have these big Bambi eyes, these big doe eyes, and they're this soft brown. Oh, dude.

And you have this great sense of humor, great body. You're just a fucking beautiful lady. Well, thank you so much. So are you. Thank you. You are. We're lucky to have you in The Look today because I don't want to tell your business, but you had a callback today. I had my first in-person callback since the pandemic. I'm not lying. Wow.

How did you feel getting up in the callback gig? It feels amazing. Please bring back in person. Is this the camera? Bring back in person auditions for actors. We need them. We want them. We want to be in the room with the casting directors. I understand that for a time we had to do self-tapes and I understand when you're out of town you have to do self-tapes. I fucking hate self-tapes. You do? Hate them. I love it.

Do you? I feel like I only started getting... Well, I mean, you pretty much, you like live your whole life. I mean, this is like normal for you. It's not normal for me. To be in cameras talking to yourself. Yeah. I'm used to showing up in the room and you bring that energy in. You get to kiki with the casting directors and the producers and the directors, the writers, whoever's in the room with you. You know, they get to give you some feedback and say, I like that, but try it this way. And then you get to show them you can make adjustments on the spot. Because that's a skill in itself. You don't get to do any of that in self-tapes.

Yeah, because I mean, I guess for you, for like a real bona fide actor, you want to show them in person how you can take direction and spin it. Yes, exactly. You know, there's a great story. Sean Hayes from Will & Grace. He went through like 15 different, you know, network callbacks to get that role on Will & Grace. Yeah, like it was between him and like one or two other guys. Could you imagine as anybody else? I know.

I know, can you? Like, no one. I would love to know who was on that list. -I know, I would too. - 'Cause he's kind of untouchable. Yeah, really is. I mean, he made it his own. And he was in the room and it was his final network callback and he was like, "Okay." They were like, "Thank you." And he turned around to walk out and he was like, "Stop looking at my ass."

And they all burst out laughing. He shut the door and they were like, that's him. That's the one. And it's little things like that that you can do in the room that you can't do. Sexual assault. You can't do that on self-tape. Kelly said, stop looking at my ass. They're like, would you put pants on? You're like, why are you all picturing me naked? They're like, you are naked. I'm naked all the time. You're like, I'm going to get this part. The rest is drag.

I'm gonna get this part today. Oh, yes! Show off that body. Girl, you look amazing. Oh, thank you. Depression. Is it really? Yeah. I love that for you. Everybody's like, oh, Zempik? I'm like, do you think I'm gonna willfully stab myself with needles? I don't care if it makes me live forever. No! Girl, I have arthritis now. Hi, old. Do you do? Honey, yes. And now they got me on this in the leg. What? I had to do it yesterday once a week. It's called Enbrel. I do it once in the leg. And I had to shoot it up myself.

Girl. The psychological games, Kelly. Oh my God. He's sitting there going, oh my God, just do it. Just do it, you fucking pussy. Like I just, I have to psych myself. I'm crying. You should just put a little bit of hormones in that with it. Well, that's what you'd think. You know, honey. Which hormones though? I don't know. I know how to moan like a whore, but I don't know nothing about no hormones. Because sometimes I think I'm so, I see myself as so feminine. Don't laugh. You are. Sometimes I'm like, should I take tea? Like,

Like I should be on like a cycle of testosterone. Of testosterone? Yes. I look like handsome Squidward. Square jaw. I could be like, could you imagine me with roid rage, Kelly? Wouldn't I be hot? Oh my God, that would be so hot. Well, the picture that you took in front of like a Bronco. What? I mean, the picture you took of you in front of the Bronco. Oh, yes. That's very, yeah. Like you're totally giving like straight.

You know what it gave? My friend drives that truck and I stood in front of it and I said, take this picture. And he took the picture and I said, you don't have to be lonely with Farmers Only. Now, if you weren't with... Is it okay if I say your partner's name? Yes. If you weren't with James. Hi, James. Hi, James. So handsome. He is so cool. How lucky am I? You are extremely lucky. Oh my gosh. The coolest fucking guy in the world. But you...

Are so lucky. I'm so lucky. He worships you. He loves you. He respects you. Loves you. And it's mutual. It's completely mutual. But if you were single and you were out in the wild, Kelly. Now husbands, husbands at home with Kelly's husbands, all of them, all six of them, cover your ears. If you were out in the wild having to be a single gal again, would you take to the internet? Do you think you would use the apps? Girl. Because you didn't do that, did you? I...

with Craigslist a little bit. I love that you think Craigslist counts as one of the apps. I messed with Craigslist a little bit. Well, for my age group, it does, honey. You are on Craigslist. Girl. Hey, short list. Missed connections, honey. Well, because that's what a lot of the dolls used to do, right? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. It was either Craigslist. Well, you know, what's funny is back in the day, we had a Del Taco on the corner of Santa Monica and Highland. Right down the street from that was the Yukon Mining Company. And

And we had some amazing trans clubs. You could go to 7969 Peanuts. We had the Lodge. 7969 Peanuts? Yes, girl. Girl, come to the Trans Illusion Showcase at 769 Peanuts. At 7969 Peanuts.

Show hosted by Viva Sex. I would have taken Miss Trixie with me because I always like to take the geishas with me so I would look more natural. I would be the best wing woman. Oh, totally. Well, look at that man in a wig. But look at her friend. Look at her friend. She just stepped out of the shower. She has no makeup on. Exactly. I would always take my drag girlfriends and be like, wear your biggest wig. And then I would look super petite next to you. But

By the way, as if you need anybody next to you to look gorgeous in petite. Well, you know. You really are. So striking. You know. Striking. When I see you, I feel stricken.

Grief stricken. Yeah. You were horrible. But when you were pre-James, when you were working, were you a dream girl or were you like a dream girl adjacent? No. You weren't doing the gigs. I never did the gigs. You were an actress. I was an actress through and through. I grew up in theater. I was doing theater. And that is where I started being. I mean, I've always been a girl ever since I can remember. You know what I mean? Ever since I was, had a, have a memory, a memory gland. But.

And then, you know, growing up in Oklahoma, I wasn't exposed to, you know, anything gay or trans or anything. And then Boy George came along and I'm like, okay, I think that's me. I think that's what I am. But yeah, I only did theater. I never did regular weekly drag shows. So I was never putting looks together three, four times a week, obviously. And

And so that was never my gig. I would go to them all the time as an audience member, but I was always off acting and doing theater and TV and film and all that bullshit. Again, you would go to the drag show, let the men in sequins walk around on stage, and you would sit at the bar in a tight black dress like, oh, hello. Well, you know, at 7969... 7969 Peanuts. Viva Sex, 7969 Peanuts. Viva Sex was the biggest Madonna impersonator in the world at the time. What a great name, baby.

Viva sex. Viva sex. She was the hostess of the show. Raja did the show. Delta Work did the show. I partied with RuPaul back in the dressing room. I mean, we'd see Ru all the time. That's right. She used to come support the gals. I feel like all the Southern California girls have a great, like, candid Ru story. Well, you know, she went through her little transy phase. You remember that?

When she had the little long locks of hair and she would go on talk shows and wear the bell-bottom blue jeans, you know? Well, that was like the... During the fire. It was like the fire cover. Yeah, Red Hot. Yes. During the fire. She wasn't in a house fire, Kelly. She wasn't in a fire. You made it seem like she was a firefighter. She looks amazing. But she looks amazing coming out of that fire. You know.

Her album's called Red Hot. You said, remember RuPaul and the Fire? I don't remember the names of these things. I'm too, I've smoked way too much weed to remember details. Red Hot is great because it's RuPaul. She's pivoted like this. She has a long black, almost like gel curls. Crunchy 90s curls. And she's got the, RuPaul loves the lower teeth though. Oh yeah.

And she's really giving. I love the Southern Cal girls because they all have a story of RuPaul. Like Delta has a story about her like working the spotlight. Working the spotlight. I've heard that. Or people have stories about RuPaul just coming to a show to support the girls. I love stories like that. I know. She was. We would always hang out in the dressing room back there at 7969 Peanuts. I can't take that. If we're going to have a club for the dolls to meet discerning gentlemen, can we call it like...

Something kind of like, um, can we call it like the other one with the lodge and that's where you get all the big, you know, you'd get the cross dressers, the truck, get my shoes on, go to the lodge. Like girl cross dressers different. Well, you know, and they loved it and I love them. I'd see him in the bathroom, you know, and I'd be touching up my makeup and they'd be like, Oh,

Hi, my name is Stacy. What's yours? And I'm like, well, now you don't need to do that with your voice. Just talk natural. You're like, you're overshooting it a little. You're overshooting just a little, Stacy. You're not a care bearer. Like that's a little, you know. Right. I got into drag in the backseat of my 18 wheeler tonight. Can I buy you a drink? And I was like, oh, Stacy, I'm not into girls that way. But thank you. I know. Well, in my experience, the...

I guess the ethical term is cross-dressers. Yeah. Usually straight men who are attracted to women who wear the geish for their own power, for their own expression, sex sometimes. They tend to come on to the drag queens and I always have to go, oh, oh no, we're not doing that tonight. We're not doing that tonight, Stacey. I was like, you were so- We can have a slumber party. Yeah, Stacey, you were so friendly. And now I know why. Exactly. You thought, you really thought. Can I tell you this one thing that happened to me? Because I get approached, believe it or not,

Me and drag I get approached Oh I'm sure you do You're beautiful I get approached You're a work of art Local government officials They One guy came up to me He came up to me I was outside a bar That's closed now Milwaukee called Hybrid Milwaukee has all disgusting Name bars Fluid Dicks Tits We just have disgusting Names for bars God they sound like diseases Yeah And then the lesbian bar Is called Walker's Pint You know like Of course I love it

Milwaukee's gay bars are fabulous. All over. Walkerspot. See you at the pot. Oh my God, I love that. And this guy came up to me. He's like, you need a ride? And I was like, no. By the way, I did need a ride. I had no way home. It was 2 a.m. But I was not able to get in someone's car. It's called being trafficked. Murder. Wait, isn't this the home of Jeffrey Dahmer? Yeah. Girl. Was this pre-Jeffrey or post-Jeffrey? That's your era. That's your age group, honey. You tell us. Girl!

That's not my age group. I came way before that. I was like, Jesus. How old do you think I am that I was going to get picked up by Jeffrey Dahmer? Well, when did that happen? Not in 2007, Kelly. No? When was it? Kelly, I'm 34 years old. You are? Yes. I thought you were in your 20s. Let's take a break. Oh!

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But this guy, we're back. And this guy comes up to me and goes, you want to suck this dick? You want to come to this alley and suck this dick? And I kind of did want to suck his dick, but I wasn't going to be reduced to kneeling in an alley and drag sucking. Why? Then I become my mother. No. No, I just thought like I deserve at least a bath mat. My knees deserve something.

I mean, you could probably find a cardboard box to put your knees on, honey. You gotta make do. That's resourceful. I mean, that's, you know, that's a hot scene. I don't know why you would reject that. Because of trash cans and rats, Kelly. Honey, I'm a gutter slut. Did you know I met Courtney Levin, a gutter?

Believe it. I did. 100% believe it. Totally. You're talking about Drag Race, right? What? The gutter of Drag Race. Well, the gutter of Drag Race. No, she was laying in the ditch in front of El Rey Theater on Wilshire Boulevard. And we had just performed there. That's when we used to perform club makeup. And I walked out there and I was waiting for a cab. This was before Uber's.

And I looked down and I said, Courtney? And she's like, yeah. And I was like, oh my God, we have the same birthday. And she's like, what? And I was like, we have the same birthday. And she's all like, fuck you. I don't care. And I was like, no, it's me. You and OJ have the same birthday. And he died today. He died today. Caitlyn Jenner tweeted, fuck OJ. Shut up. She did. It's the only good thing she's tweeted. She tweeted, fuck OJ. And I was like, fuck.

Okay. Girl, what happened to that Republican vehicular manslaughterer? You know what's sad, Kelly? She has literally just lost it. Do you recall that sliver of time when she came out? At the reality show? No, when she came out. Oh, yeah. And we as a community were like, oh my God. So brave. This Olympian, this athlete who all of our parents respect and know about. It was almost like sometimes it takes...

someone your parents and stuff already love as a straight person, when they come out it makes it okay. Oh, totally. Because when you're their kid it's too much. Well, that's when my mom finally learned what the word transgender was because when Caitlyn came out she called me up and she said, "Oh, did you watch the Caitlyn Jenner interview with Diane Sawyer?" She said, "Bruce, the Bruce Jenner interview with Diane Sawyer." And I said, "Yes." And she said, "Isn't it wonderful that she's come out as transient?"

And I said, Mom, transients don't have homes. Right. And she said, well, I'm sure a lot of them don't. They probably get kicked out of their homes for being a transient. And I'm like, oh, my God.

By the way, we took that time to educate mom on what these terms were. How old is she? Well, she's dead now, but she was. That's pretty old. She's really old now. What age was she then? Probably 75. And she's a Southern woman? Mm-hmm. That's progressive for a 75-year-old Southern woman. Listen, I got her to vote for Hillary. So, you know, you have to pick and choose your balance. This is the same woman that thought Slumdog Millionaire was about Mexicans. So, you know.

You gotta pick and choose your panels. I've not seen that film. I don't think I have either, but I know it's not about Mexicans. I don't know what it's about, but I don't think it's about Mexicans. I know from The Office that it's about a man who's on a game show who like the trials and tribulations of his life have accidentally prepared him for the answer to all these questions.

That's what I think it's about, right? Is that what Slumdog Millionaire is about? Yeah, the name is a little confusing. But it's one of those movies that now I can only hear it in the Oscars voiceover. Like Slumdog Millionaire. Yes. Babel. Crash. Some movies I can only hear that female British voice. Babel is so depressing. Not seeing it. Oh my God, it's so good, but it's so depressing. If you really want to lose some weight, watch Babel.

The depression will kick in. It is so good, though. Cate Blanchett. Oh, I can't do a sad thing like that. Remarkable. Nothing knowingly sad. I like it sometimes. Like when I smoke an indica? Yeah. Take me there. I watched The Godfather the other day for the first time, Kelly. I've never seen any of those. James loves them.

I watched it with David and his dad. Really? I was very like, all right, straight guys love this movie. It's like Reservoir Dogs. Like straight guys love a certain movie. They love Scarface. They love all of them. Whatever. So I was expecting to be like, whatever, the straight people movie, Kelly. The Godfather worked me out.

The acting, the music, the performances. It was not aggro hetero. I thought it was going to be very like... So you loved it? It was amazing. Well, Al Pacino. Diane Keaton is in it. She's like in her 20s. Is she wearing hats? Yes. Love. Yes. She's always worn hats. She loves a hat. I can relate. She loves a hat. She was so... The movie was so good. But David's got me watching all these old movies. Do you like a lot of old movies? I do. He had me watching Place in the Sun. Elizabeth Taylor. Oh, yeah.

I'd never seen an old school Elizabeth Taylor movie. The beauty is transfixing. Girl, she is... The waist? Insane. The waist, the eyes. The hair, the blouse. What is the one where the hotel room, what is that called? Butterfield 8? Is that the name of it? Or is it something else? 7.

What? I'm kidding. She plays a, oh, you got to see this one. I got to look up the name of it. Oh shit. Anyway. Backdoor Sluts 9. I think that's it. Yeah. I think that's it. Starring, huh? And we, yeah, where she's in the hotel room and she, oh my God, it's so good. I got to watch that. And then of course, like Cat on a Hot Tin Roof. I mean, just, she's so amazing. She is. And then David had me watching. I just saw Sunset Boulevard for the first time. Oh my God. So good. Yeah.

I feel like as a drag queen, I was very overdue to see that movie. Oh, yeah. I was like, every five minutes, I was like, well, that's a drag reference. Oh, yeah. That's a drag reference. Oh, totally. That movie was crazy. The fact that it starts with that guy dead. Yeah. And I'm like, whoa. I'm completely becoming her. Like, it's happening in real time. Well, I would say that you're doing that, but you're also kind of becoming a stagecoach Melissa Etheridge ticket holding, you know,

You guys know that. I feel like people always talk about how Trixie, Trixie, you're so accidentally lesbian because of the things I like. Kelly is. I am living a lesbian lifestyle. Kelly is down at the Lilith Fair. Girl. Like, for real. For real, for real. And I have to tell you, that is literally like my favorite kind of, we've had this conversation. I mean, that's what like.

where my heart lies with music. I mean, Jewel, Ani DiFranco. Yeah. You know, the whole Lilith Fair fantasy, honey. I'm in for it. That Jewel album, Pieces of You? Oh my God, Pieces of You, yes. I like was 13, 14, started playing guitar, listened to that record.

That record, I learned this on Wikipedia, is one of the most successful acoustic albums of all time. Because most of those are live recordings of her just playing at a bar. Yeah. And that's an album that was on the charts. And they're not even very professionally done. But she's so good. She's so good. The singing, the lyrics.

It's amazing. She's amazing. It's amazing. Her and I have kind of become like BFFs on Instagram. Really? Yeah, we'll totally like DM each other and stuff. Again, lesbian. Love. Absolutely. Oh, yeah. Does James know that when you do leave him, it will be for a woman? Oh, completely. He's totally aware. Yeah. Like tonight, I'm going to see Bitch at Hotel Cafe. If you don't know her, she was on Ani DeFrinker's record label, formerly of Bitch and Animal.

Amazing, amazing, amazing lesbian artist. Oh yeah, James is fully aware that I'll go full lesbian at some point in my life. So I hope he's prepared for it. We've already got the clothes. I mean, you know, I already had the look down. Absolutely. Now I just got to learn how to, you know, dive into the lady pond. Yeah.

Now you were just... Tracy, do you have any tips? You were just on tour with your solo material. I was. I can't believe you did a hundred cities with Katya and I and then jumped on your own tour like a crazy person. Well, I know. Isn't that crazy? Yes. And it was the people that obsessed idea.

And I'm like, you all have already driven me crazy. Now I'm going to go even more crazy. What type of venues did you do? I did like, well, what was like, what was the venue in New York that I did? What's that place called? The Gramercy? Oh, sure. Yeah. So I did like the Gramercy. So there were like smaller theaters, you know, it's definitely a theater show. It's a two act play called An Evening Without Kelly Mantle because I'm playing all of, I'm playing everyone but me, which is like my favorite thing to do in the world. I hate being myself. Yeah.

So, yeah. Who wouldn't? Well, seriously, it's a lot of work. I'm not like being funny. I barely know how to play Trixie. Is it hard to like backstage quick change and switch characters? I love it. You do? I live for it. Yeah. What do you think gets you there? Is it the look? Do you look in the mirror and see the other person? Being completely schizophrenic, psychotic person to begin with.

So yeah. Katya should be great at it. Well, Katya would be amazing at it. Have you ever seen her solo shows? Yeah. Well, I saw the video of it. I didn't see it in person. Unhinged. Completely unhinged. I mean, I went to see... I mean, she becomes that one. What's that one? What's the character? Teresa?

Trish. Yes, she becomes Trish. Teresa. She's been playing Teresa Caputo for years. She has been. You're a little bit witchy. I am a little bit witchy. Can I tell you, ever since tour ended, I've totally been getting in contact with like the psychic self. I think everybody, honestly, don't laugh at me. I think everybody has a little bit of The Shining.

I'm being, yes, I'm totally serious. Like I've been doing this thing where I've been practicing this thing where I like read people's minds. So do you want me to try it on you? Yes. Okay. I'm going to totally read your mind. All right. But it takes like, you have to go through a few little steps. So first of all, think of a number between one and 10. Got it. Okay. Now you're going to take that number and you're going to multiply it by nine. Okay.

Can you do this? Yes, Kelly. Come on. You're a business lady. I know you're good with numbers. Okay, so now do you have a two-digit number? Yeah. Totally already reading your mind. So take those two digits and add them together. And then subtract by five.

And now you're going to take that number and think of the letter of the alphabet that it connects with. So like A is one, B is two. Okay. And now you're going to think of a country that starts with that letter. Okay.

Are you fucking with me, Kelly? No, I'm serious. I can't think of countries. I can barely think of the math part. Oh my God. You've been to every country in the world. I got it. Okay. And then you're going to think of the last letter of that country and think of an animal that starts with that letter. Okay. Got it. And then you're going to think of the last letter of that animal and think of a color that starts with that letter. Okay. Got it. Are you thinking about an orange kangaroo in Denmark? Oh, why did it work?

I'm telling you, I can read minds. No, you can't. Yes, I can. Did you all just witness this? Kelly Mantle, at this time of grievance, when Akatia has passed on, you're going to come in here and do black magic witchcraft. You and the other lesbians got together, stood in a pentagram and free-boiled. We're putting a spell on Miss Trixie, honey. You are so wild. That's what you were thinking about though, right? Yes, but how? No, I don't tell my secrets.

I don't like it, you guys. I don't like to be lied to and flopped and fruited with. On your own podcast. We have to fast forward to... You and I went on tour last year. All year. Yeah. All year. Like a year and a half, wasn't it? Yes. Was it difficult to completely leave... You abandoned... You empty nested James. Completely. You left your life for a year. I did. And I don't mean to say this in a certain way, but I think Kati and I, we don't have...

We're not as used to being home so much. Was it hard for you to suddenly be on the road all the time? You know what? I didn't know how I was going to like it because I'm a complete homebody. I'm a loner. I'm a germaphobe. I was like, how am I going to do this? Like be around people every single day on a bus and

In hotels and theaters. I fucking loved it. That's great. I lived for it. I mean, first of all, probably because, you know, had I done this in like, you know, the independent band way and we'd been like stuck in a van or something, it would have probably been... I mean, you all took such good care of us, you know, and Obsessed took such great care of us. Well, that's Katya's doing. If it was up to me, we'd be at the Best Western sharing a room. You know, Katya was ready for the tour to end every single day she woke up. Katya would be like...

Katya's the reason we've got like four seasons. Katya's the reason we got good food. Exactly. For Solid Pink Disco, I had to tell Brandon the other day, we're going back on my tour. Yeah. So get ready to sleep outside, bitch, because we're saving money. We're saving money. But Katya taught me the value of spending on taking care of everyone. Yeah.

No, it was amazing. I absolutely loved it. I mean, James and I, you know, we're used, like, he's a filmmaker now. He's out of the Marine Corps and he's doing, like, lots of films and stuff. So we're kind of already prepared that we're going to have to take time away from each other. But that came out of nowhere. And, you know, everyone already knows the story. When Katya called me, she failed to mention it was a year and a half tour.

I thought it was going to be just like a little YouTube shooter. The way I'm not surprised. The way she got you to say yes and said, by the way, it's for a year. Well, Tim told me. Yeah.

I was like, oh, I loved it though. Good. You were amazing. Oh my God. It was so much fun. The audience turned up for you every night. You walked on stage and they would scream as loud as they scream for us. Like every time. Girl, that character is just so good and so fun. Yeah. If people didn't get to see Trixie and Katya live, you played Sandy, which we- Sandy, honey. We wrote ageless, genderless. We wrote it kind of- Pretty much me. Yeah.

No, we know you're not ageless. Oh, we know you're genderless. We, we basically wrote it to be, we didn't know who would say yes. So the only character trait was, I think I told you,

Your job is to sell Trixie and Katya like it's the last car left on the lot. The idea was that our management does not like us and does not respect us. And that's really all you had to play with. Totally. So how did you feel in the rest? Because you made her kind of a... She's kind of a grifter. She's such a grifter. I mean, when I read the script, I was immediately...

Like things will just come to me immediately when I read something, especially if it's really good writing. And I thought this was like really good writing. It was so cool. And immediately I was like the prototype is like Cindy Lauper, a little bit of Fran Drescher. She's very East Coast. She's probably like owned an insurance company. She's been an insurance broker, a nail salon technician, a hairdresser. She's done everything. She has a certificate like on her wall. All the certificates. Yeah.

And chain smoker. And the neck brace. The neck brace. I mean, yeah. I mean, so it just immediately she's a grifter, you know? I feel like the neck brace as a, I don't know. Are you a prop person? Because to me, a piece like that gives me so much to go with. Yes, exactly. I love holding things. That's why I loved her. She always had her cigarette.

You know, I always like holding things. Yes. Totally. I always wished we would have done a night where we switched characters. I know. We should have. We'll do it again. We'll make Katya miserable. As soon as she gets out, we'll say, hey, we're doing this again. We're switching characters. She'll go back in. She'll be like, I'm going back to rehab. Thank you. Bye. Exactly. She is so funny because the other day on set, I wore the costume from the finale and she saw me and she was like...

PTSD. PTSD entirely. So you, I have to say, like I was Wikipedia-ing you before this and I knew a lot of your like credits. You must be honestly one of the most decorated like actresses we know. You've been in a million things.

A million. You've guest starred in a million things. I'm so exhausted. Have you done Law & Order? No, I never did Law & Order. That's crazy. I know, isn't that funny? Because I feel like all the actors have done that. I know. Everyone's done it. I think even Willem played a dead body in Law & Order, if I remember correctly. I never got called in for Law & Order for some reason.

You know, I just feel like not to profile, if you are a actress and that show is so much about like sex crimes, I'm like, we should know more people in our industry who've at least had a walk-on role. Right? Yeah.

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They go to a strip club and it's like, we're looking for Jennifer. I know. Jennifer, you mean Starlight? Like they always have like a strip name. You know, it's a problem. It's a, it was a problem. I think it's, it's now people have finally graduated from it and stopped doing it so much and stopped writing those characters, you know?

And I mean, I look back on a lot of those roles and I go, I don't know, you know, I mean, sure, I should probably get a lot of shit for playing some of them. But at the same time, you know, there really is a reality. There was a reality to that at that time. Totally. You know what I mean? I mean, I hung out with a lot of working girls.

Oh, yes. So I would always go in with the intention of trying to sit down with the producers and the writers and say, let's handle this dialogue a little differently. Let's go this direction, give her a heart of gold, make her more three-dimensional. And, you know, my very first one... Totally. Wow. Totally. Totally.

So my very first one was on NYPD Blue and I worked with Stephen Bochco even called me back for a following season and I got to sit down with him, the creator of the show and work with them on this role and make it better. Sometimes not so lucky. They'd say, shut the fuck up and say your lines. You know, who are you? Yeah. In here with dialogue suggestions. But I would always try to, you know, turn it to our benefit. Yeah. You know what I mean?

But at the time, that was the only type of roles that were really available to us, you know? I mean, that's the reality is, of course, we should all reflect on how far, how much we still have to accomplish. Yeah. But when I started doing drag, the only trans women I knew worked with me at the makeup counter were drag queens or sex workers. Totally. And so in media, when they're portrayed that way, that wasn't,

wild. That did reflect real life in a lot of ways. Yeah, exactly.

It's crazy. I mean, you know, and I don't understand too, because my whole thing is like with Sandy and with Sheila on the Browns, I mean, I just love playing women just, you know, and I think that's the direction, you know, that needs to be available to trans people that we're just playing, you know, I want to see Alexander Billings playing someone's wife and mother. I mean, there's no reason, you know, they always ask, you know, well, what do you think of, you know, cis people playing trans roles or straight people playing gay roles? And I'm like,

that's all fine and well as long as we get to start playing their roles as well. You know what I mean? Oh, that's a really... Yeah. That's a really... Because I love playing Sheila. I love playing... They're not drag queens. They're not trans. They're just cis women. Just girls. Yeah. Yeah. Completely. I love when women are in things and...

Like, I don't know. I think of when I saw Promising Young Woman and Laverne has a very small role in that. Not small, but it's not like a starring role. And her gender or transness or like a conversation of that character can just be a woman without if there's a trans woman in it. It doesn't have to be some kind of plot point that they're trans. Exactly.

Because trans people are just in the world. Yes, exactly. They do work at coffee shops and shit. Oh my God. Let me go play an attorney. And my gender and sexual preference is never brought up. Exactly. Maybe one episode where it's talked about, but the rest of the time it's about the storyline. Right. And I'm just an attorney. They're working. Yeah. Oh my God. Did you see the video of the attorney, the defense attorney wearing the breastplate and she shows up to court in the breastplate and girl, she is painted housewife.

house down oh honey no kelly i'm living for her what kind of like divorce court are you watching girl living for her i love court shows i am obsessed with the show called support court what's that support court is a show where people come in because they haven't been paying child support and they get read within an inch of their life by this judge she goes welcome to support court tell me what's going on and you i swear to god kelly classic tale

Woman drops off children at mom's house or mother-in-law's house or sister's house. It just doesn't come back. What? And they're like, why don't you put... They're like, well, I live in Miami and I do hair. This example. And they're like, well, how much do you make a year? And she's like, $90,000. And they're like, and you're not sending any money to your mother who takes care of your children? She's like, no. And I'm like...

I get really incensed watching these parents not... It's one thing to maybe say, I don't know, Mom, can you take care of my kids? And then the person will be like, well, I drop off food. And this is on television? I watch it on TikTok. And...

They'll be like, you drop off McDonald's once a month. That is not bringing food for your children. Can you imagine when the children get older and see the videos? They're going to say, you didn't care about me. No kidding. Oh my God. I never met my real dad when I was younger. And now that I'm older, I think, I don't wish I had a dad in my life, but...

I'm like, God, my mom on one income. I know she could have used a little extra money. I wish he would have paid her some money. You just wanted some McDonald's. Dude, I want new shoes. Do you know what it was? I know how horrible it was to have a brother five years older than me because it didn't just mean I got hand-me-downs. I got a stylist from five years ago. Girl, did you have to take milk cartons to the bottom of your soles of your shoes because you'd only get one pair a year? Kelly, do you think that I lived in the Depression era? In the summertime, we didn't have shoes to work.

But in the wintertime, we don't get a brand new perm. You love Loretta, too. We love Loretta. Love. Love that you love Loretta. Loretta's like everything. Of course, I love Dolly. Me, too. But for me, the songs, it was Loretta. Yeah. It was Loretta. People are always, I love Dolly, of course. Dolly, I know you watch this. Hi. Hi, Dolly. I do love Dolly. And people assume she's my fave because of the blonde and the rhinestones. But I'm a hardcore Loretta fan. Hey, Loretta. And I'm a hard, hardcore June Carter fan. Oh, fuck.

hardcore one of my claims to fame is if you go on auto harp on Wikipedia it's the two people pictured on me and you Carter cash I took my hair behind me I love that what did you think of the movie did you love Reese oh are you talking about walk the line oh it's a beautiful movie yeah I love you know what scene I love with Reese she's shopping for fishing rods and that woman goes by and goes divorce is an abomination

Because she had just got a divorce. If you were in country music in the 60s and you had a divorce. Exactly. Especially if you're the woman. D-I-V-O-R-C-E. Yeah. It's really, really, it's a great movie. She's great. Joaquin is great in it. I know. Sissy Spacek and Cole Miner's daughter, Loretta Lynn. I mean, I love everything Sissy Spacek does. Yeah. Do you like Carrie? I love Carrie. And I love Three Women with Shelley Duvall and Robert Altman film.

If y'all have never seen that and you are of age and you can smoke weed, smoke some weed and watch Three Women. It is so good. I always thought Carrie would be great played by a trans girl. That would be amazing. The level of outsider. The level of weirdness. I would love to see. What's her name from Euphoria? Sure. Scooter McGee. I don't know. Scooter McGee. Who is it? Shut up.

No. Hunter? Hunter. Thank you. She would make a great Carrie. Not to make everything gay, because I love to make everything gay, but I was like, that level of isolation, a little being ridiculed. Oh, yeah. That's a whole other level to the story. Yeah. And maybe like the scene with getting your period and her screaming in the shower. That level of body humiliation could happen for a trans person. Totally. I don't know. I would love to see Carrie with a trans person. I would love that. That would be amazing. Maybe we could...

Let's do it. De-age a little bit in the CGI? I think so. You're a young, beautiful woman. Do you think you have the range to play a teen? Sure. I still think I'm one. I believe it. I totally still think I'm one. You have that sex drive. Completely. I'm at the Taylor Swift honey concert with my little friendship bracelets on just screaming with the girls, my little cut off Daisy Dukes.

Did you always wear long hair and makeup and girl stuff? Mm-hmm. You did? Always. Always. Always. I started wearing makeup in like sixth grade, seventh grade. Six months old. This little small town in Oklahoma, six months old.

I'm still no good at it. We won't get started on what Trixie thinks. No, no, no. Are you kidding? This is what I've been waiting for. Me and Vice need to get together and do a takedown piece about your makeup bag. Because it is broken brushes, 60-year-old sponges, shattered eyeshadows. You use products that I haven't seen people use in 10 years. I want to be a designer.

You use that Smashbox Halo powder, the crushing one that you twist. What's that? Do you twist it and the powder crushes? Shut up. I do?

You see what I mean, people? I don't even know what I use. And also what I love about you is... I don't know any of the brand names at all. That's very people shopping for makeup. They're like, do you have more of this? I'm like, what is this? A pencil this big? I'm like, what is this? I'm so that girl. I take pictures of it on my phone and then I'll just go into Sephora and say, do you have this? Yeah. Are you tech savvy? You run your own socials, right?

I do, yeah. It shows. Because I've seen you kind of show up. You do kind of have like, you have like, you have like, okay, boomer. No, I do not. Are you active on Facebook? Yes. Oh my God. Shut up. Were you on January 6th, Kelly? This hat? I don't know. You know what? Leave me alone. I think I do good on my socials.

We do have an incompatibility, which is, Katya and I like to make the... Tracy, come rescue me. Katya and I like to make the theater an icebox. And poor Kelly Mantle, you guys, is backstage in her dressing room with a space heater and a winter coat. I want you all to be forced to go on tour with Madonna because she doesn't allow air conditioning. And you all aren't going to say nothing to Madonna.

Actually, Katya probably would. She'd leave. She does not allow air conditioning.

I'm doing her show Sunday. Are you? That guest thing, you know, with the drag queens wave. You are? Yes. Oh my God. And thank you for warning me. Yeah. Because I might walk on stage and do a U-turn and just walk out. Like, bye M. Bye Lady M. Bye. Yeah. I think. I've never been so cold in all my life. You all literally, I have no warm blood cells left. If that's a thing. Is that a thing? No. Okay. Okay.

That's not the only cells you don't have left. Do you remember when we were in Hamburg, Germany, and we were outdoors? Girl. Yeah.

I thought I was going to die. I thought you all were going to find me in my dressing room in like a fetal position, just frozen. And you were going to like crick my bones and they would just crack. It was the coldest I've ever been in my life. Even I was cold. I was ready to cut Brandon open and climb inside like Star Wars. Like I was. It was, it was like a carnival circus ring outside. It was a circus tent. It was a circus tent outside. We get, we get what's inferred there.

That were circus. Totally. Thank you. I mean, we could not have like fit the venue more perfectly, especially with these two. Yeah. They put up the circus tent. I said, that's Kelly's makeup. All right. That's how she does it. I don't even, I think my makeup froze to my face that night. Like I think it would not come off with the makeup wipes.

That's kind of nice, though. It was frozen to my face. Well, yeah. I mean, as long as it was perfect. Well, I remember the dancers had like blue lips and I was like, you're all going to die tonight. Shut up. And Katya and I finished the show and, you know, we do the bows. And for the only show I've ever done with her, I put my arms around her and she was dry. And she was sweatless. And she said, roll the music back. Let's do it again. And I was like, I would do the show again right now. That's how happy I was. I love it. I was freezing, though. It was cold. The worst part about cold backstage, because I like warm backstage, cold onstage, which I know is impossible, whatever. Yeah.

The worst part is when you have to put on your body and it's cold and you're naked. Naked and your feet are touching the floor. I always put a towel down. Oh my God, it was so cold. Well, you used to make fun of me because I would literally sit there and have like two space heaters up in my face doing... In the face, you guys. A space heater in the face. I couldn't help it. I was so cold. So cold. Can I go back to self-tapes?

What do you not like about it? I guess you don't like that you miss the people in the room. I miss the connection. That's the main thing. And then, you know, there's a thing too that when you go in and you read, you usually just do it once, twice if you're lucky. And that's your go and that's your take. When I do a self-tape, I'm sitting there going, oh, I can do it better. Let me do it again. I'll end up doing it 15 times. And then, you know, you think the 15th time is the best and now you're not fresh anymore. Right.

And so I overdo it. Don't overdo it. I know. Kelly, I'm telling you, literally do not do it more than, this is like my thing, do not do it more than five times times. I know. And then I want to put a filter on it. Also, usually I turn the camera on and do it a few times without recording just to like see myself on the monitor. Well, this is the best advice I ever got was from Trixie Mattel. And she said, don't be precious about any of your shit.

Don't be precious about it. Just do it and get it out there. And I was like, that is such good advice. I don't get bogged down by quality. I know. You know, being funny, being pretty. And it works for you. It works for me. Well, I hate in-person callbacks because I always call you back and drag and I'm always going in somewhere where someone hits record. I know. I mean, the drive and getting there and the parking and the whole thing. I know that's inconvenient, but I just, I don't know. I love the connection in the room.

I really do. I'm old school. I go in there and they push record just like this and I'm like, all right. And they're like, go. And I'm like...

What's the tea, Mama Boots? Because it's always written like, for a drag queen, it's like, is your boots tea or is it sickening kiki? It's like the stupidest little monologue. And it's always talking to a police officer or something and it's like a murder at a drag club. And you're like, oh, honey, Miss Bunyan, she jumped sip as soon as the tea got boots, she bolted. And you're like, what? Girl, let me tell you, my tuck was so hard today. Miss...

Camomile told me that it only takes her two seconds They always come up with the worst names It's always like Miss Anita Cocktail It's so bad, girl It's horrible I won't even go in for those anymore I told my agent, I said, don't even send me in for those anymore I won't do it Well, good, because the rest of us who look like drag queens and can't act We need those roles You need those roles Yes You've got a major in acting, right? Theater? Yeah, but I wasn't good

No? I wanted to improve, but I wasn't. What was your best role that you played? I want to imagine Trixie in like... Being alive! That Liza clip where she's like, being alive! I played an old man in No No Nanette. It's a tap musical from the 30s. Okay, yeah. I played the guy who sings, I want to be happy, but I... And I liked playing an old person. So it's kind of like drag. Once I looked in the mirror and I had the white hair and everything, I was like, old. Yeah.

Suddenly I was hunched over and walking like an old person. Do you tap? Yeah. Oh my God, we should totally tap. Totally tapping with tele... With telemantle. Telemantle. Do you ever wish you had a drag name? You know, I had one for a minute back in the day when I did rock and roll and stuff. I was Brandy Warhol.

- Ooh, I like that. - You like that? Yeah, it was Brandy Warhol. If you go into Outfitters Wigs, I'm on the cover of a magazine called Girl Top Magazine. It was for the duels, you know. And it has a picture of me and it says Brandy Warhol on the cover, 'cause that's when I was going by Brandy.

But I dropped it after like a year. That is such a poker name. Isn't it? I know. You in the clubs with a smoky eye, like, what's your name? Brandy Warhol. Brandy Warhol. You know what I want to change my name to now? What? Indie Darling. Ooh, I love that. Do you love? Indie Darling. Indie Darling. I feel like you're going to move to Pioneertown. Totally. So, like...

Sundance. Indie Darling, the toast to Pioneertown. She sells suede coin purses by the road. Yes. And she'll do monologues if you cash app her. She'll do a monologue for you if you cash app her. And she'll even play a song on her guitar that's missing two strings. Yeah.

Can I ask you about your pre-marital sex life? Because you were so beautiful. You are so beautiful. You were so beautiful. No, I meant you are. I said you are so beautiful. This happened to me yesterday. I told someone they have great hair and they heard gray hair and they just stared at me. And I said, great hair. You are so beautiful.

I imagine when you were a bar-going single gal, people sprinted at you full speed, ripping their clothes off, screaming. Well, I'll have you know they still do. But I mean, now that you're a married woman... There was a valet at the hotel in Oklahoma City the other day. They hit me up on DMs and the Instagrams. I'm not surprised. I'm like, oh. Still got it. Still got it. Yeah, no, I mean... Because you can't hear it. You know, that's the thing is I think there was like a...

I think there was some like individual conquest with me because growing up in this really small farming town, all of my best girlfriends had the hottest boys. And I was like, "I want one of those boys." And I couldn't get them then. And then when I got older and realized who I was and everything-- -The power. -Yeah. I'm like, "Oh, now I can get them."

Here we go. That's what I mean. You have this magnetism. So much fun. It's not like porny, but you have this magnetism that I'm assuming men just respond to. I love it. I love it.

Because you have these big brown eyes and these soft lips And you're funny and sweet and smart to talk to I bet you are like the dream woman That guys would like wish they could walk into a bar And sit next to you and talk to Well I tell you I've had my fair share of boys in this world But none can top James He is fucking So magical And so amazing I hit the jackpot It took me a long time to get here But I hit the jackpot with that one Because of all the boys I've been with in my lifetime He is

Top notch And you kissed a lot of frogs Girl I kissed a lot of boys In my lifetime honey I said frogs I tried to make it more elegant Well you know You said I sucked a lot of frogs Some of them were frogs Some of them were ribbit up the wrong creek You know When you When did you know Like when you met James in the wild Were you instantly like Yeah

Completely. Our first date was his Marine Ball, and he was stationed in Albany, Georgia. Oh, my God. I know, and it was during the time that Trump had just put the trans ban on the military. So it was even more, you know... It was at a time when...

You know, a lot of the Marines were asking like Paris Hilton and Kim Kardashian and people like that to the Marine Ball. And so he had hit me up online and invited me as his date. And I thought now's more time important to show up than ever, you know. Like Cinderella? Show up and show out. Oh girl, I felt like Jackie O. Really? I was going to say, did you feel like a mix between like a

Like a politician or a celebrity or like a high level courtesan. I totally felt a little bit of both of those. That was three things. Well, yeah. Was it? Yeah. A courtesan. A courtesan. Did you get a courtesan shot? I said a politician, a celebrity and like a courtesan. All the above. Yeah.

I was living my Jackie O fantasy. I really was. It was very that. What did you wear? I wore this long black evening gown and this gorgeous blonde hair. Blonde! Yeah, I wore gorgeous blonde hair. It was like a dark blonde. It was like Mariah Carey blonde. Oh, kind of the ends. Yeah, kind of like a golden dark blonde. Wow.

And honestly, everyone there could not have been cooler. They were so accepting, so cool. And we had a great, I mean, it was just like a magical date night. It was beautiful. And it was our first date. I know. Was he in his uniform? Yeah, he was in his blues. Do you buy into that shit? Oh, completely. I do too. I know it's like, I feel like I'm being a traitor to like...

Who doesn't love a man in uniform? A firefighter outfit, a pilot outfit, anything like that. I know they're not called outfits. They're called uniforms. A firefighter costume. I know, right? I love your costume. Would a military look like that? Oh, God. It's so hot. I wouldn't have made it to the dance floor. Girl. Would have broke my legs off. It's so hot. Yeah. James is very, very hot. Hi, James. James. Hi. Has he seen you on shows and stuff? He came to our show. He came to Trixie and Katya live at San Diego. Has he seen a lot of your TV stuff in the past like 10, 15, 20 years? Mm-hmm.

I love that. He watches it. I can't watch it, but he watches it sometimes. You don't like watching yourself? No, I hate it. I do too. I didn't even watch Trixie and Katya live, the live stream. The live stream? I just- I actually did watch it. How was it? Because I think I was live, I think I was live chatting that night. Like they had me live chat the night it was happening. Yeah. I loved it. It was, it turned out great. I mean, it was beautiful what John Mark and Jasmine and everyone did with it. Yeah.

I love the behind the scenes stuff. They have it posted on the PEG YouTube now. It's really funny. I would love to see that. I guess I remembered us, like my memory of it is on stage looking at you looking at Katya and I didn't want the audience perspective to replace my memory of it. Totally. Weirdly. I was like protective of it. Yeah. Well, see, I hadn't, well, I mean, I, I would watch you all on the monitors a lot, but I had never seen it as like an audience member.

So it's because a lot of your parts and stuff I missed. And I was like, oh my God, this is so cool. Because if you're not in it, you're backstage taking a nap. Yeah. Well, I'm backstage, you know, usually she was, you know, partaking in a little...

Beverage or two, you know. A little beverage or two. Remember when I quit drinking on tour and you were like, oh God. Kelly was like, it's bad enough she doesn't drink. My drinking buddy, you totally left Gabriel and I stranded. How dare you? You did something really interesting on tour that I've never seen anyone do. If the bus call was 2 a.m., you would stay in the venue in your dressing room. I know. What were you doing in there?

Usually it took me that long to take all my makeup off, put on my lotions and potions and pack. Yeah. And then sometimes I would go ahead and just sit there and finish off that bottle of wine. I mean, I wanted to stay off of the bus as long as possible because as much as I didn't mind it, it certainly wasn't the most comfortable. No. You know, to sit in. So I would take advantage of my dressing room. But you would come and join me a lot of times in the dressing room afterwards. Your rider was insane. Kelly.

Kelly's writer was like, that was not my writer. I didn't necessarily have a writer. They just asked me what I wanted one day. And I said, Oh, I like little turkeys and cheeses and crackers. Every night she would have a deli in her room. It was like cheese slices, turkey slices. And I'd be like, bitch, are you opening a subway franchise in here? No. It's so funny. And I never ate any of it. I would distribute it to the crew on the crew bus, like cat and, uh,

Jeremy and everyone would take it and stuff because they'd have the munchies. Well, tour is sort of like prison where it's like commissary. Like when I stopped drinking, I kept the wine in the rider because I'd be like, Gabriel, you want this bottle of wine? Exactly. What are you going to do for me? Exactly. Oh, no. Gabriel appreciated it. Oh, yes. He'll take the wine.

Because I wouldn't have any left for him. No, polish it off. Kelly, the children love you. People love you. How can they support you on the internet, tickets, whatever? How can they give you money? Y'all have the best fans, by the way. I love your fans. They're your fans. They love you. I love them. I don't know. You can find me on Instagram at Kelly Mantle, Twitter, the Kelly Mantle. I'm on TikTok now. You are? I totally am on TikTok now. What's your TikTok vibe? Because I've seen a lot of videos of you talking directly to camera.

I don't know. Is it Boomer? No. Okay, Boomer. I don't know what my TikTok is. Can I say I like that you do your own? Because I hate when people... Well, you do your own too, don't you? Yes. And I don't like when I follow someone and it's very obvious they don't run their own account. I want that person to make the videos, you know? Girl, Tammy just texted me three texts and said, I understand being a woman up late.

I think that's where we can end it. Is this Tammy Brown coming out as trans? Girl, is that some DL version of, I'm not trans, I'm up late? Is that some new terminology? I'm up late. I'm in the up late community. I think we need to investigate. Let's call her.

All right. Yeah. Stay tuned next week when we do a deep dive on all. We could honestly do an episode going through and reading text from Kelly Mantle. Voice notes from Kelly or voice notes from Tammy Brown. Yes, totally. We should. Tammy Brown will send you a real quick, real quick, unexpected three minute voice note about the whales. We should also do a live watching of the live stream, the Trixie and Katya live stream. That would be so fun. I would love that.

a pop-up video. We'll get Katya to do it too. Oh my god, yes. We'll get Katya to do it with us. Yeah, let's do it. That'd be so fun. Alright. Well, thanks y'all. Support Kelly. And I don't know, register to vote. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye.

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