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What is up, everybody? Welcome to the Honest Drink Podcast. Justin here. So today we're going to do something new. We're going to start recording our intros like this, where I'm going to briefly describe the show. I'm going to get right into it. But first off, let me just say thank you, thank you, thank you to all the listeners that have been giving us their support
It really means a lot to us. We are constantly trying to make the show better. So any feedback that we get, both positive or negative, is really appreciated. It really means the world to us. So thank you. You may or may not know, we do this show purely for the fun of it. Well, for cathartic reasons as well, but really because we have a blast doing it. So once again, thank you. Now, let's get into it. Today we had a fun one.
We had our friend, our buddy, titan of industry, James Wu, on the show with us today. And we chopped it up about living a healthy lifestyle. But not that generic crap. Not the boring living a healthy lifestyle discussion that everyone does. No. We came at it from a perspective of people that have been severely abusing their bodies over several years. I know for me personally, I have gone through several years of alcohol abuse, eating poor foods, drinking.
poor lifestyle habits, partying, the whole nine. So how do you rectify that? How do you swing that pendulum the other way and start living the healthiest lifestyle that you can live?
especially as we start aging. Our bodies are not going to be able to keep up. So it was very personally relevant to me. I have to believe that a lot of people out there can relate to this to one degree or another. We also talk about David Goggins and how his story has had an effect on us and how he has motivated us to make a lot of changes in our own life. And how do you put a perspective and lens on this whole lifestyle discussion? So without further ado, please welcome James Wu.
So today we're gonna try the Hibiki. I got this in Japan because I just came back from Japan. And it seems like this is a very popular whiskey there, so we're gonna try it. I've heard of it before and I think the bottle is very uniquely shaped. I like the little ridges or whatever you want to call it. James, I know you like Japanese whiskeys, right? Yeah, and then do you know that they took off all the ears on them?
Yeah, why is that? Because they can't produce that quantity. Because if there's a specific year on it, it has to be that specific year. But then if they say it's Hibiki exclusive, they can get away with it. So it gives them much more flexibility for their inventory. So they can give you the shitty stuff and you don't even know. Exactly. Oh, really? That sucks. That used to be like a Hibiki 21. They stopped putting the number on it. And that's Hibiki 18. They stopped putting the number. Yamazaki, same thing. Because that was like...
Tying their hands. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it takes, what, it really does take 18 or 21 years? Yeah, it really does take that long. So they basically, if they didn't plan right 18 years ago, they're basically fucked, right? That's why their price went up so much from, it was 350 RMB now to like 2,000 RMB. Uh-huh. So the reason why is because the quantity is very limited for that year, right? Right.
So they're behind. So is it just Hibiki doing this or a lot of brands? All the whiskey makers. Well, Suntory makes all of the, like Suntory makes Hibiki, Suntory makes Yamazaki. Well, Suntory is like, they're the big guys. They're the big distillers there. But for the year thing, it's the Japanese whiskey that are doing it the most because they're the one that ran out of inventory. Oh, okay. Whereas McAllen, they're already set, you know. We got McAllen 12 coming out every year.
Damn, you like to put a lot of ice in your ice cream. You like kabuki? I've had it. Is it good? I haven't had it. It's not as good as the yamazaki. Okay. Well, thanks, Justin. Yeah, sorry that Justin didn't get to, you know, spend hundreds and hundreds of dollars, dude. Maybe you can think of... Just kidding.
before when the demand didn't go up I mean the year thing worked fine right this is the R20 18 but once you run out it's like but the year makes the big difference it does make a big difference the quality of the whiskey I mean you know from 12 to 18 that's all the difference in the world but come on this is master selected now we're drinking like master we're drinking what the master selected Habiki 6 months
Cheers. So tell us what you taste in this too because it sounds like you know a little bit more about this. Yeah, what we do in the beginning of each podcast is we taste a new bottle of whiskey and we kind of comment because we're trying to develop our own whiskey palate because we don't know anything about whiskeys. But we're trying to get more knowledgeable about it. So each time we taste it, we kind of reflect on what we think about it.
Well, we drank lots and lots of like really super cheap whiskey and mixed it with other products. Yeah, we mixed it with all kinds of bullshit. We've drank, we've theoretically, like technically, we've drank more whiskey than probably anyone. Quantity-wise. Quantity-wise, for sure. But quality-wise, definitely not. We didn't learn a damn thing from that shit. Because we... It wasn't even real. But in 2012, I got a sip of the Yamazaki. And then I was like, wow, that's like the...
Just from somebody that's known to the whiskey palate. I was like, this is the nicest whiskey I've ever tasted. So I bought a whole bunch of bottles of that. And from then on you were sold? I'm just sold. Go to. Go to. And I haven't had one better.
What's that shirt you're wearing? Oh, that's the Spartan shirt. The Spartan race thing. What is that all about? I think it started like 10 years ago. Some guy, you know, I'm not sure from wearing this in like 30 countries. And basically it's like a, it's a road race or it's a, it's a running race with obstacles in it. And so you got to climb like different obstacles, do like monkey bars, rings, uh,
rope climbs you know and it gets kind of muddy and so there's like you know it's a little bit out in the you know a little bit of the terrain so part of it like you're running on the road and then now it's just fun right it's a race you could send justice some photos of the photos you just showed me him doing the race yeah yeah i sent you a couple while you in the other group yeah that was fun so i never i didn't i've never done it before i did it with about you know like seven other guys
Some of them had done it before. They're different lengths. So like one of the guys that I work with, he's a, he's like a triathlete. I mean, he's like a badass, right? He's like in his mid forties. So he won his age group and then he was like one of the top guys. I think it, and it's a competition. You can win money and shit like that. First prize I think was like, I don't know.
I don't know, 10,000 RMB or some shit, you know. - And it's about, just about your time that you finish? Does everyone start at the same time? Or are there different heats? - There are different heats, but then, you know, you would start in the earliest one. And then the different obstacles, there's like, so in my, the sprint version, there's like 21. And then like the next one up is like, it's like maybe 13K and there's 25. And then there's one called the Beast.
Oh, so there's different ways of difficulty. So it's like sprint and super. That's the only ones we had today. Male, female, separate or together? No, the male and female are together, but then they rank them by age. So you wear a tracker, right? And then the beast is like half a marathon, half marathon, and then like, you know...
30 obstacles. And then they have something called the ultra, which like they don't have them all. They don't always have them. It depends on the course. That one's a full marathon. So it's kind of like a triathlon, but it's a little bit more, you get in the mud, you got to get in the water. So it's a marathon hybrid marathon.
Obstacle course. It's a running race obstacle course. And then the obstacles are pretty cool. And if you don't complete any specific obstacle, you got to do 30 burpees. So it's a little bit of like... So the person there watching you and if you're like, let's say you're on the monkey bars and you fall off the monkey bars midway, he's like, you got to do 30 burpees. I was in the open heats and no one gives a fuck. It's like I was with my buddy. But if you're in elite heats, they have judges and stuff like that. So it's kind of like a hit...
You know, like people who do HIIT training and stuff like that, high intensity. So you run three miles and then you have to do 20 obstacles. Wait, wait, wait. I thought it's like some running, some obstacle. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's not like running an obstacle. Like you're jumping over shit, like, you know, monkey bars. You know what this reminds me of though? David Goggins.
I know you guys have been reading up on David. Why does it, why does it remind you of David? It doesn't remind me of David. It does just because we're talking about like, like a marathons with obstacle courses, like being like an Ironman tough man kind of, kind of thing, which I guess like most of the people who attend these things aspire to be maybe. Yeah. Yeah. I get the connection. It's sort of like looking at that, at that guitar and being like, yeah, like, you know, I just thought of Eddie, Eddie, no, but like, like,
I know you guys are really into Goggins. Does his story really inspire you to motivate yourself to work out? Hell yeah. Really? Yeah, definitely. In what way though? Very simple. His thought process to me is so simple that you can't accept it. Where other people, they kind of get lost. His is more just like "tsuku", right?
Just eat pain. Eat pain. You want to just live in pain. Learn to thrive in pain. Exactly. Whereas before, our normal mind goes to, I need to get away from pain ASAP. Oh, this hurts. I got to stop. This doesn't feel good. I got to take it off. He's the first person that goes, hey, learn to deal with it.
and push through it. So. Embrace it. Embrace it. Justin's like, this whiskey is a little bit harsh. It's too peaty. So, Goggins would be like, find the most disgusting whiskey that you could possibly find and drink that. And learn to love it. And learn to love it. And drink copious enough. And drink it so much that you almost die. Yes.
Like literally drinking so much. And do it on an empty stomach, motherfucker. Whatever that's comfortable, don't do it. Whatever that's uncomfortable, do that. So how has that actually affected you in any tangible way? Yeah, tangible way. It's such a simple thought, right? I'm like, I'm hurting. I would stop. But hey, Goggins said this is when it starts. So keep going. Or my mind goes to like...
Hey, it's painful. Maybe I'm doing something right. And keep going. And what he's saying is more like, like, our body has like our we have this limitation, like, like, he calls it a governor. That's like a car. So the car can go much, much, much faster. But there's a governor, right? So your body basically, like you get to a point like you run like one mile.
And you feel pain. And you're like, I got to stop. But it's all in your head. So what he's saying is not follow him and do crazy shit because he does like truly crazy, like death-defying shit. It's just that we stop like 10% of our capacity. And so he says that if you can just get over it. Yeah. But it's probably less than 40%. Like the governor because...
Well, isn't that what the Navy SEALs call like a 40% rule? Yeah, 40%. That comes from like the culture of the Navy SEALs, right? That's how they get through all this shit. But I think it's for most people, it's less than 40%. So for me, I was probably operating at like 4%.
You know what I'm saying? Like, I mean, honestly. That's pretty good. I'm operating on zero percent. I don't even go to running. Yeah. And you just got to compare yourself against who you were yesterday. A couple of sentences just to summarize Goggin. That sticks, right? It's just like...
Before you kind of go go go run and then you're tired you stop he just tells you that whenever that pain is so excruciating like when it starts That's when you start counting the mile. You can't run. That's when you start counting the pull-ups you can pull That's when it really counts and it's meaning right and it's just like your muscle right you go and go go you can't develop the muscle if you don't go push past its limitation to develop it
more just like your brain right so you need to practice practice practice and then you have to push it that much further and he's the only person that i felt that got that into me to make sense to push one more pull-up after i get that yeah but i think there's two there's two hurdles right so what you're what we're talking about right now is you know listening to goggins and he's a very inspirational guy obviously and just through his own anecdotal experiences things like that
There's one thing if you're already amidst a workout, you're already in the middle of a workout, or you're running, or you're lifting, or you're doing whatever, you're playing a sport, and you're in the middle of it, you're tired, and you feel like quitting, but then you think about the whole Goggins thing, and then you're like, okay, I'm going to keep pushing myself that one extra mile. And when you get to that one extra mile, you're like, I can still do one more, and then you do one more, and then you do one more, and then you keep doing it, right? And then before you know it, you've done almost twice the amount that you thought you could do. So that's one thing, and I get that. I get that completely.
But you sent me a text the other night because, like, we were talking and you were like, and it was, like, late at night and you were like, oh, I just ran 10 kilometers. And you were like, it's all Goggins, baby. I would never even have thought to run 10 kilometers just willy-nilly if I didn't read or read his book. Yeah.
So that to me is a different case than if you're in the middle and you decide to like keep push yourself through the pain. Because the first and biggest hurdle I think for most people is just starting the workout to begin with. Right. To edit that sentence, I didn't start thinking I was going to run 10 kilometers though. So that night I started just to start.
Yeah, so that's the first hurdle. Did he inspire you just to get up off your ass and just go run? No matter how long or how far you were going to run ultimately. Just to decide to be like, you know what? I'm going to change into my shorts. I'm going to put on my running shoes. I'm going to leave the door. I'm going to go out and run. I think that's the biggest hurdle for most people. That wasn't completely Goggins. Goggins was that second step I'm talking about.
Yeah.
They do. You can do competition. Do competition. I'm in competition with Bruce every day. That guy, he moves a lot. He moves a lot, yeah. He moves a lot. I don't know how he does it, but he's moving a lot. He puts it on his dog's foot. That combination. He moves a lot from bar to bar. Made me want to move more. What can I do to move more? I can walk more, run more. That's what I can. So for you, it was more about your friends motivating you to do the same? Yeah.
Yeah. So was it more of like a competitive thing or was it more of like, you know what, if everyone else can do it, I can do it kind of thing? For me, the health. That's strictly health. But the health thing has always been there. That's not a new realization. But as you get older, the symptoms are coming on more than when you're, let's say, 22. Yeah.
Like, obviously, you want to be healthy as well, right? But, like, you have these readings that says your liver enzymes are high. You got fatty liver. You got diabetes onset, pre-diabetes. You can't recover from a hangover. And then all these symptoms are actually there. So this became, like, it just became a much more real threat to you. Yeah. Where you were like, okay, it's time to stop fucking around. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I feel you. Yeah. Because me and you, we've both been on this kind of health and weight loss thing.
journey, so to speak, or started on. You know what I mean? We've always talked about it. I remember a while back we were both going to the racetrack, right? We were riding our bikes on the racetrack. And I remember in your car, I even turned to you and I asked you, because we had a long in-depth conversation throughout that whole week. And I asked you, I was like, if I, let's say the next time you saw me, I lost a lot of weight.
30 pounds or whatever it is would that motivate you to just like get up off your ass and do the same but see you had two different answers at first you were like no but then you changed your answer later like a few days after that we were still on the same trip and you came to me and you were like you know what actually it would yeah it would but right now just to be bluntly honest I think I had a couple revelations in life in terms of just little things I'm like the only thing that's actually really ours really ours is
That we own. Guess what it is. What? Yes. That we own. Really own. Like our body. Our body and our mind. That's the only thing we own. So that came as like a revelation to me, right? Like your guitars. You buy it. It's yours. You might sell it one day. Right? It comes and goes. This is an apartment. It'll come and go. You might move. You might go. Things come and go. Your body is the only thing that sticks with you. So that kind of hit me at 36. I'm like, fuck.
I'm gonna start treating it better. Like the saying of like your body is your temple is like really true. It's like the only thing you actually at the end of the day you actually destroy for how many years? Yeah. So I'm thinking this would be a great time. The things like I gotta take care of this thing. All right. Well, and then they say that, well, where do you live?
You live in your body. That's like your house. So if your house gets fucked up, where are you gonna live? Yeah. Nowhere. You'd be homeless. Right? But these questions... Then you're dead. When did you get homeless from your body? Yeah, you're dead. It's game over. Yeah, you're dead. These extensions don't come up when you're 28, 25. No. It doesn't. You're like, I can't... Nothing can hurt me. You feel invincible. Invincible. Like...
Imagine 25 and people asking you to go like party all night. What's the first thing comes to your head is let's do it It's not like I got to take care of my body. Yeah, there's no there's no like now When someone like says oh, let's go out even just for a night like the first thing that comes to mind is like oh fuck How am I gonna feel tomorrow? Yeah, and then you wait you weigh the pros and cons of that
So like sometimes like you ask yourself like, okay, if I'm going to be really hungover tomorrow, but you know what, this could be a really fun night and I don't really have anything to do. So you're already going through the exercise in your mind of like weighing it out if you should or shouldn't do it based on how bad you know you're going to feel the next day.
Yeah, like you said, in our 20s, that wouldn't even be a thought. Like, it wouldn't even be a thing. And it's not as fun anymore because you've experienced more. Because at that age, you don't know a lot of things. So you do it and you don't have any concerns and you don't have any ties. No consequences. No consequences. And you haven't experienced that much stuff. So almost like you had to go through that part where you damaged your body and did all the crazy stuff. Because now it's like, okay, let's go do something. I'm like...
I mean, you know, it might be fun, but I've done that. I know what it feels like. I had that high at that time and I had enough muscle memory of that stuff where, no, I have other priorities that are more important now. But at that time, that was a priority. So I don't know if we could, let's say, advise a 25-year-old, 28-year-old to not do that stuff. Oh, I don't regret it. Right, right, yeah. I would do it all the same, basically. Exactly.
So the lesson isn't so much like don't do it. It's just the lesson is just kind of be aware that at some point your priorities will change Yeah, well, it's a lesson you can only really appreciate in hindsight on that note Parting and I always have this question. I'll throw it out there like I can't really have fun unless I reach a certain level of tipsy miss
It just doesn't happen. I like how you used the word tipsiness. Tipsiness. It's not a very manly word. Okay. You know what I mean. You know what I mean by tipsiness, though. Like, everything prior to that, it's kind of just... Our group defines tipsiness as, like, two bottles. Yeah.
It's awkward. It's like, it's like, well, think about it this way. I completely get you because a club environment is if you're not, if you're sober, it's like the most uncomfortable place to be. It's packed. It's noisy. It's smoky. It's dark. It's like, it's literally like the most uncomfortable place you can be. And it's late at night and you're sober. And you're tired. But here's my question though.
There's many people that I see that don't have to get to the tipsy point and they're still out every single night enjoying themselves. Like Dan. Dan's still partying. He's out all the time. He's out way more than we are. I haven't even seen him in years. Ever since the table flipping incident.
From the Avalon game. Yeah, I'm still bitter about that. So are they having fun or are they not having fun? I think they're having fun. They're having fun, right? Why would they be doing it? Exactly. So how come I can't have as much fun as they are having? Because you have more important priorities. I think it's not about having. I think it's that you have more important things in your life than that kind of shit. I don't want to have fun there. I really don't give a fuck about having more fun in the clubs.
I enjoy doing the things that I do, right? Like that race is 10 times more rewarding than a fucking. I think that's one aspect of it. I think maybe another aspect of it is not just you prioritize different things, which could be the case for some people. But for what we're talking about, I think it's more we have a higher standard of fun. Is it though? Is it? I don't know. I don't know. But it very well could be.
Like we have, it takes more for us to reach the level of like, it's not a standard. It's, it's more of a tolerance, a tolerance, right? So we have a higher tolerance level.
In terms of fun, I guess. Maybe what is fun to us isn't even fun for them. And what's fun for them isn't even fun for us. Or maybe we just like it wasted. Well, because... Exactly. If you think... But we just can't do it anymore because we're older. Yeah, exactly. But if you think about a lot of those people, and a lot of our own really good friends who can go out and really have a good time, enjoy themselves, with just having like one or two cocktails for the whole night, you know, basically, right? Yeah. But...
From what I sense, I feel like those people did not live, go through, like, a period of, like, real debauchery. You know what I mean? Like...
Like, I can't speak for you, but for me growing up, like, partying with my friends and stuff, it was, like, real extreme debauchery. And I'm not necessarily proud of it. We've all been in the same boat. But, like, we got, like, really debauchery. So all of a sudden from a young age, our threshold and our expectations of, like, what is a real good time were all of a sudden, like, put up here, our standards. Meanwhile, I don't think they've ever pushed themselves too much.
I don't think pushed themselves, but they never really bothered or cared to experience that level of debauchery. So their threshold has always been here.
So for them, just being in a club with the music and all the people and having one or two drinks, to them, that's a party already. Which it should be. They just haven't read David Goggins yet. But for us, that's not a party. Just because there's a lot of music and a big crowd and there's some... That's not a party. It's not a party until we get shit-faced. Exactly. Which is not a healthy thing for us. It's a horrible thing. But...
It is what it is. And that's how we feel. We can't like, like, that's just how I feel. You know what I mean? And I wish it wasn't so. But like you, and I think it's just because we have a different threshold. It's not because we prioritize. Like, I don't hardly ever go out anymore. So I don't really care about, like you, I don't really care about going out to the clubs, except for the occasional night out maybe, you know, just let loose every now and then. But not like before. It was like every week, every weekend. It was like, okay, this weekend, where do we go? I don't care. Like, I actually prefer to stay in.
But it's about when I do go out now. Okay, so I hardly ever go out. But when I do go out, let's do it right. Let's not half-ass it. If I'm going to take the time to go out, we might as well make the most of it, right? Or else what's the point of going out? I'm kind of envious at some of the people that can go out, not get shit-faced, and have just as much fun as I do when I do get shit-faced. You see what I mean? But do you really feel they're having just as much fun? If they're not, why would they be out?
Because the kids still be having fun, but maybe not as much fun as you. Not as much fun as I don't know. But there's one other thing is that they remember it too. We don't remember shit. That's another factor. They remember it. We might not remember what happened. They can recall all the events that happened. So there might be something extreme in our personalities. There's definitely something. That's why you read David Goggins. It's all linked together.
There's a thing is it's not just one person that's like an outlier. There's a lot of people like that. They can go out and have a splendid time without getting stressed. I think most people are. I think we're the outliers, right? No, which is scary, right? But I really think we are. And it's definitely not something to be proud of. It's a real problem. It's a problem, yeah. So that's why when I do go out, a part of me is always very afraid of
Like, I feel like I'm the Hulk, right? We joke around that. Like, you're the Hulk. I'm the Hulk. Like, we joke around, but like, it's a real fear. It's like you're Bruce Banner and you don't know. And you know, you're going to go out and go out drinking. Yeah. Like, you don't know that point where you cease to become yourself. Like, I cease to become Justin and I am the Hulk. Right. You know what I mean? And you're just kind of this uncontrollable force.
of drunkenness and stupidity. Which I'm not proud of actually. No, hell no I'm not proud of it. But I enjoy it. I'm going to have to be honest. I enjoy it. No, but when you go out, like if you know you're going to go out, let's say tonight, you know you're going to go out, you know you're going to go out clubbing or partying or whatever. Is there a part of you before you go out that is like kind of scared? No.
I fully know and am aware. Like, I'm not going to go out and do something really, really crazy like go burn down a building, right? So I know I just have that problem, but I fully embrace it, and I know that that's what makes me have fun.
Well, to a certain point, but after that certain point, it's no longer fun, right? Like after you black out, it's no longer, it can't be fun because you don't even know. It's part of the process. It's the second day where I'm going like, God damn, like, why can't I be like somebody else? Like, don't get that drunk and have just fun. That's when it happens. But before, prior to that day, I'm looking forward to it. I'm giddy with it. I'm like, I'm going to get hit up.
I want to go out and have fun tonight. Do it up. Do it. Like, they don't know what's coming. You know what I mean? And especially if you have the right friends, like, the right people. Yeah. Right? It's like the perfect storm going. There's no way at that point I'm going, oh, fuck, no. Well, this is like what we talked about with food, right? Yeah, yeah. Like, if you're in that environment, you're at a restaurant, you have all your friends, like, there's no way you're not just going to, like, eat up a storm and just order everything you want. And I'm going to own it and say I fully enjoy it. I'm not scared of it.
When I go out nowadays, because I know I black out now, and I black out even earlier now. I don't have to drink too much to even black out, which is something so scary and so fucked up. So I'm scared of that.
Because I don't know what I'm going to do after I black out. Like, I don't, I'm not in control of my own actions at that point. And there's always a part of me when I go out that is afraid of myself. Hence, that's our universal sign that we should cut back, right? Yeah. Health reasons, blacking out too early. Like, all these reasons are stacking up to go, hey, time to turn it down a bit, right?
Oh, two cutting down. Two cutting down on alcohol. We still don't know what our listener base is going to be, but they're either going to be appalled or just think we're a bunch of pussies. A bunch of pussies is most likely. Well, let me ask this, right? Go ahead. You go ahead. So let me ask this. Do you think that our need to go out or prioritization of going out has changed now that we're all...
you know, we're married or we have significant, you know, others, like, was that a driving factor to maybe get to the point where you feel comfortable in that kind of awkward environment and then drink, drink, drink, drink, drink, and then get to that point so that then you can, you know, do other things. And now that, you know, we've got significant others, there's less motivation. I think so. Yeah. Like, do you feel that you felt that way? You feel that way? Yeah.
I think so. For me, if let's say I was single, I think I would definitely be going out much more. Every single day. I don't know about every single day, but because I'm reclusive by nature. So I honestly, I love just staying at home. I love that word. And you just have the classic line, I'm reclusive by nature. What are you fucking like Howard? What is it called? Howard Hughes? I am. I'm reclusive by nature. No, Howard Hughes.
Anyway, why is that funny? This is funny. I'm reclusive by nature, like Howard Hughes. But I have no issues. And in fact, I prefer many of the time just to stay at home alone, just to watch a movie or do whatever, right? But if I was single, I would definitely be going out more often. So by having a significant other and one that you truly enjoy being with,
Yeah, it definitely makes it a lot easier to not go out because then you're just like, yeah, I want to stay home with you. And it's like, you know, cuddle up and watch something, you know what I mean? Like that is a perfect weekend for me to, you know, and that would be a perfect. Look into the camera when you say that. Good one. I get what you're saying. Are you the same though? Yeah, definitely. 100%.
So I think a lot of it was also, I mean, then speaking to the fun factor thingy, like maybe a lot of it wasn't that we necessarily thought we're gonna have a lot of fun is that we were young and then we wanted to get out there and meet different people and meet girls and connecting and whatever it is, you know, like maybe we're a little bit shy or whatever it is. And so we went in there with that intention. Well, yeah, I think, I think basically touched on something is
is basically saying it's our basic human instinct, right? So when you're single, even like we have this basic drive to find a mate, to be with somebody, or to socialize, right? And when you're single, there's that void that you need to fill. So that motivates you subconsciously even just to go out more often, socialize more often, go on dates or party because those are just all social activities, right?
So when you're single, you're just trying to fulfill, I think, the basic human instinct to do that. But when you're with somebody already, that doesn't go away. It doesn't go away at all. But it gets muted. It gets muted. Exactly. It gets muted a little bit, especially when you're with someone you really enjoy being with. So that, yeah, it gets dumbed down, watered down a little bit. But when you're single, all of a sudden, it pops right back up.
Like when I'm in a relationship, if you took my life and made like a graph of it, of like my weight gain and weight loss and correlated that with me being in relationships, you would see huge spikes of weight gain every time I'm in a relationship and huge drop-offs of weight, like with weight loss when I'm single.
And then weight gain and we drop off. And that's not a coincidence. I think that's just and that's not something I tried. I consciously thought to do. But I know that when I'm single, all of a sudden going out means a lot more. And, you know, like, you know, how you look and how you present yourself. All of a sudden, all these like all these, you know, kind of like physical attributes and these petty things and these superficial things.
kind of things all of a sudden bubble up. I think I know a diet plan for you that would make you lose weight like 100%. Be single? No, no, no. Ready?
Eat Chinese food every single day. Yeah, I know. You would just slim down like tomorrow. When I eat Chinese food, even if I'm eating like the most unhealthy, if I'm eating like hong saorou. You'll be fine. To me, I'm like, ooh, I'm eating healthy today. Even if I'm having like two bowls of rice, I'm like, ooh, this is a healthy meal. Imagine if you did like three months of Chinese food. Holy shit, dude. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Because Chinese food, even the worst Chinese food is still healthier than like a lot of the, like even like just the normal Western food that I eat. You know what I mean? And you don't enjoy Chinese food too much. So your, I do. Your quantity is kind of, I do. I just don't enjoy, I'm just very specific about the type of Chinese food I have.
So I have a very kind of like Lao-wai palette when it comes to Chinese food. So I like Chuan Cai. I like Si Chuan Cai. I like Hunan Cai. I like the Zhong Ke Wei. The really strong flavor kind of and spicy Chinese food. I don't like the very... That's like Lao-wai? Yeah, that's very Lao-wai. That's what I said. That's a Lao-wai palette. It is? Why? Why?
I don't know. But if you look at Lao Wai, it's like... It's all like... They like... They always say xie shuan food, right? That's Sichuan food. I think half of it. I'm not sure. They don't like the watery Canton stuff. They don't like that. They don't like the tian tian, the Shanghai stuff. They don't like that. They like the shit that I like. But everyone likes fucking Sichuan food.
Yeah, but Lao Wai is... But then you know what I'm saying? But they like that, but then they like a lot of other things too in Chinese cuisine. But all Chinese people like Sichuan food. It's just popular. It's like universal. Yeah, but Lao Wai is I think only...
for the majority. It's like a stereotype, but for a lot of them, it's true. They like those law-wide foods. Yeah, I agree. Like, I think 70%, I think 30% I reserve because I think a lot of the Soutan restaurants, they're more culturally decorated. They have more of that vibe of that cultural...
in there. And people are dressed in with the... For the Lao Ai, they're going to like more of experience. I disagree. I don't think there's anything to do with it. Versus going to like a Shanghai restaurant. They don't have the... What fucking like Sichuan food do you go to? Like in Sichuan... I disagree with that. I disagree with that. Nobody dresses out in motherfucking outfits anymore. That has nothing to do with the core. I'm telling you. It's the taste of the food. Like generally, Westerners, when it comes to Chinese food, they don't like the very watery, soupy...
you know, kind of, kind of foods. They don't like that. They look at it and it's like, it's gross. If you look at Western food, none of it is watery and soupy and like sweet and sour. It's not like that. But they like the, they like the very strong flavors, right? So that's why a lot of Westerners are not that into hot pot either, right? But if you go, if you go, if you go to New York, it's all like Sichuan restaurants, Hunan restaurants,
You know, you don't really see like too much besides dim sum, which is another law I favorite. But dim sum is the only section of Canton food that they like. They don't like all the other. I mean, I think you're making like an interesting point. There's probably validity to it. But then also, but all the foods you're talking about are the fucking tasty ones. Like fucking who doesn't like dim sum motherfucker? You
you know what I'm saying? Yeah, but you like a lot of other Chinese foods, right? but, but, but, I'm saying they specifically just like that. I know, but that shit's fucking good. It is good. It's great. It's fucking awesome. So it's more about, they don't like the other kind of stuff, but like that shit is universally good. It's not a laowai thing. You know what I'm saying? But I, okay, hold on. I have a question.
So how often do you guys go to Beijing? Do you get a chance to go to Beijing? I hardly ever go. Okay. We do a trip to Beijing maybe sometime. Like, I mean, you'd be interested in going to Beijing. Sure. With you, I would. Yeah. Okay. So there is a restaurant in Beijing. It's a Chinese food restaurant. It's more like northern cuisine, which is not something we know of. Like Dongbei.
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Well, it's actually so good. I went like two or three times on my last trip, which is last week. It is so good. Okay. This place is so damn good that I would just like constantly go. And like the 倒削面.
So it's Beijing food? It's like northern food, yeah. Like Shiba in Beijing, whatever, right? Senshi, senshi, whatever, right? It is incredible. It is so good that I think it deserves like Michelin stars. That's how good it is. And it's not that expensive. It's just normal price. It's in the Rosewood Hotel. It's called Country Kitchen. But literally, I went there like several days in a row. It is every single dish. So this was the – they had a sizzling beef. You already pulled up the picture. Okay. Yeah.
And then they had the 葱油饼 is one of their, like the Beijing, like one of their specialties. 北京烤鸭, I see. And then the 北京烤鸭, and then there's like the 葱油饼. And then this 倒烧面, like 番茄炒蛋 is like the most incredible meal you've ever had. And so I had this crazy idea. I said... I don't like tomatoes, though. No.
They have... That's all you saw. Okay. I'm going to shut you down right there. So the traditional one is the muxu sauce, right? Oh, that's good. So these... Okay, you guys and I was just in Italy. And I love Italian food. It's like top on my list. These noodles, the Chinese noodles, blew away anything I had in Italy. It's that fucking good.
They're so good that I want to start a restaurant now. That's a bold statement. Yeah, I want to start a restaurant now using their noodles or that, maybe like Italian ingredients, but using that chia pho and then making like bolognese fucking dao shiang. Let's plan a trip. You know what I'm saying? Next time you're back. That's because I know you like this kind of shit too. He likes dong dae pho. He's like, can I see it? It is the best. Would you say that it's because your own taste palette or you think it's a universal thing?
Most of the people in the restaurant were Chinese. That's a pretty high end. It's like one of the nicest hotels, you know, in Beijing. And most of the clientele was like Chinese people. There were some foreigners. And it's nice, right? It's a modern environment. It's beautiful. It is. And I've been there for many years. And I've come to the realization that that is one of the best restaurants in China. Country Kitchen is the name. Country Kitchen. You got to trust me on this one. It is incredible. So let's take it. You know, I don't even, I'm not even into Chinese food that much.
You know what I'm saying? Like, I ain't even, like, all that into Chinese food. Yeah, we're pretty similar, I think. Yeah, we're similar. We got La Wai Palace. I just didn't want to be accused of having a La Wai Palace. Yeah, I hate it, but that's something I have to admit, though. Like, I hate, like, you know. But speaking of La Wai Palace, let's get some burgers later, by the way. What's your favorite Western cuisine type? Mine? Mm-hmm.
I like a lot. I would say French and Italian are definitely up there. But it's really more like the restaurant. But I think naturally speaking, Italian and French are definitely... Well, I think Italian is on everyone's top three list. But they don't really know. But I'm talking about the legit, real Italian, not the shit that you get... So not Papa John's?
Well, Papa John's is definitely on the top of my list. I think they deserve two Michelin stars too. The Olive Garden? Yeah, of course. Macaroni Grill? Macaroni Grill. Yeah. That's real. That's mwah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's go back to Goggins. Yeah. I want to finish up on him. Okay. So let me ask you though. So after, because I know now you're doing a lot of things. What are you specifically doing in your, let's say, weekly regimen in terms of things that benefit your health?
Running and then I'm gonna do cycling and once I get back to the States, I'll be the gym every day So I'm gonna spend at least six hours a day working out. What about nutrition? What about your nutrition? So states right now everybody's going to meal plans I sign up for one day they ship it to my door every week And then you can pop one meal a day to meal day three meal day and then you just eat and
Between, it's called trifecta.com, but you get to pick between a keto diet, paleo diet, classic, vegan, whichever diet you're on, just pick one. Well, what's the difference between keto and paleo? Keto is a higher fat content than paleo. So it's high fat. You can eat fried shit? High fat, zero carbs, and then...
Like Hong Sao Rou. Yeah, definitely. And then... What about paleo? Paleo is you can have some carbs, but a lot lower in fat content. And everything has to be unprocessed and organic. Like whole foods. Keto actually doesn't have to be organic. And it doesn't have to be... That's hard, too, to get all organic shit, right? Well, it's expensive, too. It's expensive and it's hard. So it's $15 a meal.
And you can go either keto or the paleo. We spend that shit like eating out every day. So, so, so I'm covering my bases, right? One is to work out. The other one is food preparation. I said last time, food preparation is the most toughest mental hurdle for me. It's not that I can actually eat the,
Not great taste. I was preparing the food itself. It's preparing the food that kills me. Like I'm just too lazy. So with the food covered, workout covered, covering these bases, I think I have an okay chance. And what is your goal? Do you have a goal? 44 pounds. To lose 44 pounds. And get rid of the fatty liver.
Well, cheers. Cheers to fatty liver. Now have another glass. Yeah, now have another glass. I mean, just the podcast is fucking giving me fatty liver. No, but this is a drastic improvement for the frequency of drinking we used to have, right? So now, honestly, I drink once a week, and it's really only during this podcast. Well, we leverage the economics. You can't afford that shit, you know what I'm saying? Yeah.
That's cool. So 44 pounds. Yeah, 44 pounds. Keep us posted. So when's the next time? You're heading out on Tuesday? Yeah. When is the next time you're back? Around his wedding time, I think. Okay. So it's going to be around September. September. Damn, he's going to look good. You're going straight back to San Francisco? Yeah.
We have his old picture, so we can do a, you know, like the old, old picture. Yeah, we're going to hold you to that. That previous picture was 40. We should use this video as a testimony. As a testimony, right? So you can text me your weight off air if you want to, and then we'll hold you to that. No, I'll be back in a couple months, and we can do another one. And see the progression. Yeah. No, I'll be done. 44 pounds, I'll be done. What, you'll be done by September? Mm-hmm. So right now is May.
Right? Yeah. So you got four months. So in four months, you're going to lose 44 pounds? It's going to happen like this. You have to set realistic goals, man. It's going to happen like this. Either I succeed or I fail completely. No, no, no. That's not a good way to look at it. There's no middle ground. No, there has to be a middle ground. I'm telling you. With weight loss, there has to be a middle ground. Because...
The common pitfall that most people fall into is you. They're either going to succeed or fail. So that means if they lose 20 pounds and not 40 pounds, they failed. And then so if they feel they're only going to lose 20 pounds, they just give up. They're like, well, if I'm just going to lose that much, I'm not reaching my goal. I'm just going to fuck it. But that's not – it's all incremental, man. Don't think of – it's incremental improvements.
Don't think of the 44 pounds yet. That's eventually. First think of the first five pounds. Do that. When you reach that, think of the next five pounds. Or two pounds. Or whatever it is. So it's not an all or nothing kind of thing, man. And even if you don't reach 40 pounds by September, let's say, because...
Time doesn't necessarily have... It's not a big issue. I'm not going to be that straight. If it's like 35, you guys aren't going to tell the difference. Like 35, 40, you can't really tell. Yeah, but as long as you're on a progression of losing weight, you're trending down that direction, then that's good. That's a healthy direction. It's not a win or lose scenario. But different things work for different people. It sounds like you're really motivated. I think I agree with Justin in the sense that just...
If you treat it as a continuous process and you enjoy that process, if you enjoy the fact that you can not have to cook and do meal plans, if you enjoy the energy that you get from working out, then eventually you'll get there. But then but when you do set goals, sometimes like they're closed. Right. And it's like then you hit the goal or you don't hit the goal and then it ends.
So it is good to have the continuous improvement process because you're always improving. So the goal is never ending and it's always rewarding. Whereas if you have like a close kind of thing and it's like, okay, I hit it or I don't hit it, you know, but I mean, of course things, different things work with different people.
It sounds like you're super motivated, so we definitely want to hold you accountable to it too. We're going to hold you accountable to it on camera. We have you. We have evidence. You'll text the weight offline. Here's a preliminary question in my head for you guys. So you're on a trajectory that's good. You're 15 pounds into it, right? And you're doing good. Like you said, you're on the good path, right? So here's the question that I said. What if that person, maybe me, maybe not me,
At 15, 18 pounds, he's miserable. He's just miserable. He's like, I got to run. I got to go to the gym. I got to eat this shit that I don't want to eat. At that point, what should he do? It's a question. I don't know the answer. It depends on what is more important to this person. I think it's... Would ultimately reaching his goals be...
enough to suffer through the quote unquote misery? I don't know how to answer that, but I'm just saying, it doesn't have to be me, right? Guy's going through it. He's on the trajectory. He's just having an absolute horrible time. The way I would look at it, and I've been- What would David Goggin say? I would say,
Goggins, that'd be awesome. Yeah, yeah. Do 200 more push-ups. I think, I think like, Do it till you love it. I think like, for Goggins, it's like you have to, you have to spend time, you have to listen to his book. Goggins was broken though. Yeah, I mean, like, it's impossible for us to capture his life story in like this podcast. Like you have to go through, you have to read the book
watch you know like I've spent many many hours studying and stuff and I don't you know like that's only one thing that's influenced me there's a lot of different factors like you were saying that so there's a whole like set of things do you agree he's broken though yeah I mean he was broken I think he's better now yeah but I remove Goggins from this right because I think that's another topic I think that um
You know, you have to set up goals in a way where like they work for you on a day to day basis where they give you energy. Right. So like whatever the meal like I never set a goal for my weight. I never set a goal for any of these things. I went from 23 percent body fat to 16.5. Now, I never set a goal. People ask me what you got. I'm like, I don't do well with goals. I've I've not accomplished any goal in my life.
you know, like that I've set. But what I said was that, you know, like I started the running thing. I started all these things. I started, you know, using some apps. And
And then I said, you know what? Okay, I'm going to have one healthy meal a day. That's it. Whatever else I do, fuck it. I'm going to have one healthy meal a day. And then I got used to that. And I was like, oh, like I actually enjoy the healthy meal. It makes me feel good. I don't have that many carbs. I don't get sleepy. So then I went up to like, okay, let's have two healthy meals a day. And then it has gotten to a point where now when I order stuff, a lot of the times I prefer ordering something healthy.
I enjoy that because the way that I look at the meal is not just about gorging myself. So gorging myself is not the benchmark for success. It's actually feeling good after the meal and having something. So the taste of the meal isn't the only criteria anymore.
It is still a criteria. I don't eat like fucking nasty shit. So that's why, you know, I haven't gotten down to 12% body fat or I'm not, you know, fucking ripped. But I think the gorgon isn't going to happen on a daily basis. The gorgon is really going to happen for me, especially is when I go to that restaurant. That's when my gorgon happens and it's unstoppable. It's like a force in nature that I will order every single dish on that menu, probably because I
Because I will... We're not going to Beijing anymore. I'll be there for only maybe a week. So I'm like, this is my one chance to like experience this. These are the times that kill me personally. Okay. So everyone's physiology is different. And so maybe I'm just like lucky that I've always been fairly skinny. Right? But I still gorge. So I'll go like at this restaurant, I pretty much gorge. And I gorge a lot. But what I...
what I've tried to do is build a habit of trying to eat healthy every single day. And so then I have like these cheat meals, like you've seen me right? I eat it just as much as you. Like when you know, like I don't eat less. You can. I do. You can eat just as much as me, but you don't eat just as much as me consistently. Yeah, but that's the habit piece. Like so we're talking about two different things. What we're saying is you can still gorge, but if you're going to gorge every single day, then no one can help you. Right.
No one can help you. So to go back to the original question you had. I don't think Justin is gorging every single day. Not anymore. The bottom line is that, look, like you guys said, everyone's different. And you can't apply the same method for this to everyone.
Everyone's going to have different things that motivate them. Everyone's coming from different sources of motivation and looking to achieve different things and are just mentally and physically inclined to be certain ways, right? But what is universal is that no matter what, and no matter how much you hate working out or how much you hate eating healthy or whatever it is, you have to, have to find a way to
To make it work for you. Yeah. Because you can't... On a daily level. On a daily level. Because the worst mentality you can have, and this is very cliche to say, but it's absolutely true. The worst mentality you can have is, I'm on a diet. Because that means, that's inferring that it's temporary. Oh, I'm on a diet. So that's a temporary thing. No, this is a lifestyle change. And it has to be a lifestyle change for you to be consistent over time.
and actually see real consistent results. - That is also the reason why 90% of people fail. - Exactly. - Because nobody could really change their lifestyle. - Well that's why a lot of people who even try are yo-yo, so they lose a lot of weight really quickly, right? They're like, yeah, and then they rebound right back. So they yo-yo back and forth. But to have something that's lasting,
It has to be a lifestyle change. And yes, you might hate working out. You might be miserable eating healthy. Well, okay. But then you have to find another way to make it work for you. Whatever that way is. There's no one answer for everybody. But you have to find a way to make it work for you. Otherwise, you're not going to live a healthy life. You're not. Yeah. Yeah.
So you just have to find a way. And so I don't know what that answer is. For me personally, I think Eric found it. He started running. He started running, but his sources of motivation and what keeps him going is very different than what keeps me going. But he found his thing. I agree. You have to find your own way. For me, and it's very simple, and I think a lot of people use the same method if you read a lot of books and some of the books that are out there. It's very simple.
It's finding a way to have habits every day that are not so like onerous on you that you're able to do them. Like they're a little bit onerous. So you have to choose things that are just going to like change you and change like how you're living your lifestyle. But it can't be so drastic that you're able to do them.
that it's impossible for you to sustain that every day. And then these little changes that you make, because I can, you know, because a lot of the changes in my life, and there's many things I need to do, you know, by no means am I done. I'm only in the beginning. But they've taken years. They've actually taken years. And when I look back and reflect, they were very incremental, like in all the pivotal moments and all the things that, you know, surrounding yourself with people that are likeable
like this, you know, a lot, a lot of things, but it was really building that daily habit and then finding systems that work. There's a whole set of things that kind of come together that allow me to make some changes to a small part of my life. And then once I was able to do that, now I'm working on other parts of my life. Everyone has a reason. My reason, right? Yours is health. Like your body is your temple. My reason was that the demands that I had in my career were,
necessitated that I make changes to my lifestyle I could not sustain the level of energy of what I needed to do in my career and so I had to figure out so that was the real me that was one of the motivating force that was the move that was the was that the predominant that was the predominant at the time now it's not about that at all but that's what's part yeah that was easy to get over because to get to the point where you can have the energy to do what you need to do is easy
But then that spurred a lot of other things. And then it's, you know, that was years ago. It snowballed after that. Yeah, it snowballed. But like, it's, it's, it's, you know, there's a guy like that, you know, we work with and he used to work at Nike and then he's been instrumental in a lot of the fitness development. And he just said like, you just like figure out what's the minimum that you're willing to commit to every day that like you're comfortable with. And maybe it's like just walking like, you know, five minutes.
or 10 minutes. Figure out what the minimum it is that you can commit to every single day comfortably and
So don't set these crazy fucking goals, right? Don't be Goggins. Yeah, don't be Goggins. Well, you have to build this up before you can go to Goggins. If I looked at the Goggins, and some people just, they're better with the Goggins stuff. But for me personally, because it's different for everyone, we have to admit that, is that if I had read Goggins in the beginning, I would have read it and nothing would have happened. But it was that after two years of doing my thing, then I read the Goggins and it just helped me push me a little bit further. All Goggins does is push you further. Further, further. It's basically you think bigger. Yeah.
But like what what it was for me is just like starting small. It started at the smallest level that you can consistently do every day that you can feel happy about. And then you can incorporate into your current routine. Why not? Once you get that, then you can keep building and building and building. And then you can use the Goggins approach because then you can say, you know what? First of all, I have confidence now. I know that I can change my lifestyle. Just like you said, most of the people, they just can't get out there.
So, but it's all habit building, right? There's a lot of research behind this. So figure out what's going to help you basically build habits incrementally. Then at some point you can go to the Goggins stuff and you say, okay, I'm going to set a big goal. So now in my life, I'm like, okay, like the Spartan thing, right? And I was like, oh, fuck, you know, I don't know if I can do that shit. It seems pretty hard. So I was like, okay, I'm just going to fucking do it. And then I was like, oh, I actually can do it. Yeah.
And I'm physically, you know, like I've never done sports. Like for a lot of people, Spartan might be something just whatever. Anyone could do it. But in my mind, it was something much bigger.
I think the main principle is no matter what you do in life, whether you're talking about fitness, whether you're talking about career professionally or relationship-wise, there's going to be these huge challenges and hurdles and suffering and compromise you're going to have to make. But in all these things, the ideal situation is...
is to tie it with something you really enjoy. So even for like a career, right? You're going to be going through stress. You're going to be going through hard times. But if you really enjoy what you do and you're really passionate about what you do, that's going to help you push you through all those difficult times. Just like with fitness. Like for me...
for me, it was, you know, like I said before, like for me, it was like, I'm so happy that I found boxing. Right. And I got really into boxing because I didn't like working out just for the sake of working out. I don't like going to the gym just for the sake of, I'm not into bodybuilding. I'm not like into that kind of stuff. But what I, but I, I work out almost every day now. And,
I do it because I know all that stuff is ultimately going to help improve my boxing. So that's something that propels me forward. I just want to add in a keyword in there. It's not if you just enjoy it. It's better if you are obsessed with it. Yeah. Like if you get obsessed with that one thing...
I mean, it's even stronger than enjoyment because enjoyment comes and goes. Maybe you like it, maybe you don't like it the other day. But if you become obsessed with something, that is... Passionate about something. Real passionate. The obsession that keeps you up at night and you're thinking about it when you're brushing your teeth, that will pretty much overcome a lot of the hurdles that we're talking about. 100%. Alright. Well, I think that's a good place to end it. I know you guys gotta go, right? I'm okay. We just gotta go to dinner. We gotta go to dinner? We gotta...
But I think, yeah, it's true. We never introduced James, by the way, right? Did we introduce him in the beginning of the podcast? That's okay. No, we can introduce him in the description of the podcast of who he is. Well, you know, he's a total badass. The titan of industry, that is James. Yeah, he's a total badass, as you guys can tell. But honestly, James, I really enjoyed this. 44 pounds. We're going to have you back on. So you're going to be back in September? You're not going to be back before that? No, no.
My obsession right now is motorcycles, so I'm pretty much gonna be at the track every other weekend. I wish that thing burned more calories than it does. It would have covered my obsession, but it doesn't. I'm just throwing this out there. What if you use motorcycling as I use boxing?
So you work out off track because the fitter you get, the better of a rider you can be. I have a problem with that. It's because, one, I'm not in any competitive races right now. So there isn't a competition that's burning a hole in the bottom of my ass right now. And second, I'm not the kind of person that's like, I have to get under one minute. But that Goggin stuff is from now.
Anyway, cheers. Cheers. Let's have you back on next time you're back. Stay safe. Sounds good. Sounds good.
It was a very enjoyable conversation. We'll see you next time. Have a safe flight back and be good. And then we're going to check in on you next time you're back. Yeah. Because we're going to hold you accountable. You're part of my inspiration right now. You guys were asking me earlier, what's my motivation? Looking at Justin is my motivation, dude. He's done great. You were working out yesterday, doing five days a week. I've got to work at least six days a week. He's doing five days a week.
So you're more competitive about the working out than you are about motorcycling. With people you know. If Justin's passing his ass on the track, he's going to get pissed.
