Here's the News: ‘Conspiracy Theorist’ Joe Rogan and Kid Rock Discuss the Price of War in the Middle East
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fella and Joe Rogan the podcaster who cares what either of them think but one of the things that new media is exposed is that people like Joe Rogan have as much right to discuss political issues as people like Antony Blinken I mean have you seen that guy's perspectives or Nancy Pelosi just pulling conspiracy theories out the air and saying them on television and Jen Psaki former government messaging person now MSNBC host just sort of going yeah tell us some more things that you think off the top of your head Nancy where do

you think? We're all wondering this question, Speaker Pelosi. What do you think Putin has on him? I think it's probably financial. Either something financial he has on or something on the come. Never going to hold on a minute. Have you got any proof that there's a financial relationship between Trump and Putin? I mean, haven't we already done this? Please stop saying stuff like, how come you've got so much money? Where that

bloody hell did you get it from? Now, a conversation between Kid Rock and Joe Rogan, I don't know much about Kid Rock as a matter of fact except he's pretty intense. You know, we all saw how he reacted to Budweiser light employing a, you know, trans person or whatever. He shot up the cans, didn't he? He's a man who shoots from the hip.

as part of his general method of communication. So on the subject of Middle East, it's hardly surprising that some of his perspectives were, in my view, kind of a little harsh. I mean, he referenced Nagasaki and Hiroshima as sort of positive outcomes at one point, which I found difficult having sort of watched those things. Look, Kid Rock, just watch Oppenheimer. That

That wasn't good, was it? Yes, it was. It wasn't. It was bad, I think, Kid Rock. Okay, but what's perhaps interesting is that Joe Rogan is a person that the left or the liberal establishment, or let's call it the Democrat Party, sort of sneer about and ridicule on mainstream television. But he's the sort of star or celebrity or whatever you want to call it that you'd think

be valuable if what you cared about was an anti-war perspective, individual freedom and sovereignty, tolerance for a variety of views, and being diplomatic about a difficult situation, and actually calling the situation in the Middle East what many people believe it is, a war crime. Let's have a look. If you lived in Gaza, you would be convinced that it's the end of the world. Just look at that strap. Kid Rock endorses Israel killing civilians. This can't go on indefinitely, can it? Like, this cultural moment. What's going on at the moment? Well...

Kid Rock's endorsing Israel killing civilians. And anything else? No! Isn't that enough? Right? Because it is the end of the world in one place. In that spot, it's the end of the world. But where you are, it's not. And you've got to look at it that way. Ted Rogen's actually clearly a really reflective person, saying, like, the apocalypse spreads like a fog. Some people's apocalypse has already happened. And it's difficult not to imagine that were you an occupant of Gaza living amidst the endless hail of bombs...

that indeed it is Armageddon, particularly as it's taking place under the auspices of territorial and religious differences. I mean, I don't really know that there's a more accurate definition of Armageddon available for us, except for, I don't know, that Bruce Willis film. It doesn't seem like an appropriate thing to mention. Kid Rock will probably use it as a reference in a minute because Kid Rock has got some, what seemed to me, pretty, I mean, he seemed pretty confident in his perspective, let's say. I mean, we're rude about Kid Rock because perhaps one day I'll meet Kid Rock and I don't want him to shoot me.

And when I look at it that way, I'm like, ooh. The only wars we won were fucking ones where we were the most brutal motherfuckers on the planet. Already, you're getting the idea that Kid Rock's got some strong views. Now, I know that there are people in our streams, in our comments, that seem to have similarly, let's call them aggressive perspectives, but I'm pretty certain myself that there

will be no resolution in that direction like even when you look at what appears at least through the lens of history and the propaganda that we read to have been a sort of cut and dry black and white victory the victory over nazism and anyone would surely agree that nazism as most people understand it was bad but i can't help ask questions like you know project paperclip the number of nazi scientists that ended up working in the united states i mean even something black and white like that or you know churchill one of the greatest often it's argued the greatest ever

Englishmen participated in the annihilation of the people of Dresden. There's so many questions. In a sense, if you're looking for not even utopia, but meaningful, reasonable progress, you don't look back to the Second World War as a sort of golden age. It was a fucking nightmare. Which I don't disagree with what Israel's doing. It's like,

it's so extraordinary to feel that we're not collectively with our human capacities looking for an alternative to what's happening in Gaza and that there are people that feel that that is the best possible outcome and indeed we'll argue vociferously for it as Kid Rock is doing as many pundits will do but

But I think most of us have exposed the atrocities. One time Max Blumenfeld came on the show and recounted a story about a 15 year old Palestinian girl dying in a car and they have the recording of her first responder phone call. And it just sounds like, well, yeah, well, how much lower can we go as a species? What's left for us? They should just go in there and be like, you know what? We want our hostages back. If we don't have them back, clock starts now in fucking 24 hours.

We're going to start bombing motherfuckers and killing fucking civilians. 30, 40,000 a fucking time. I suppose what Kid Rock could serve as is to liberals the introduction that Trump is not as far as it's possible to go. Trump now looks like Jimmy Carter and Joe Rogan looks like James Baldwin. So you civilians better fucking pack up and fucking get these fucking motherfuckers and take...

You go against Hamas. You fucking go against them. We're not playing fucking games with you. That's the only thing people understand. This is what happened in Nagasaki and Hiroshima. Boom! Swiped out. They're like, oh. I would have liked the cutaway of Joe Rogan at the Nagasaki-Hiroshima moment because what Joe Rogan subsequently says is an indication that he found that a difficult image to deal with. Yes, we don't have Supreme Leader anymore. We did not know you had such big bombs.

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Well, they don't, but they're allies too. That's the real problem. Bomb the fuck out of them. Someone's going to learn. Yeah. You've got to get your ass beat hard enough. You can't just nuclear bomb people. Look at Joe Rogan. He's always looking up in the air and everything. He's sort of a very beautiful person. He's so patient and tolerant and you can't just nuclear bomb people. Someone's got to fucking learn. The problem with the legacy media is they think that Joe Rogan is Kid Rock, but...

look at Joe Rogan and look at Kid Rock. Joe Rogan is clearly a kind of, this is not good, is it? This situation in the Middle East and his impact speaks for itself. The net impact of Joe Rogan is positive, isn't it? That's like someone who's inviting people that wouldn't

listen to, they're not listening to Rachel Maddow, the people that listen to this. And they're hearing, yeah, you can't just nuclear bomb people. Yeah, that's why the landscape's changing, actually. That's why Republicans aren't the de facto default party of war, because libertarianism, individualism and whatever sort of new emerging ideologies are coming out of this new technological space are more sensitive to really important issues like war. And war is becoming, obviously, a defining issue because it's pervasive.

An unending. I didn't say nukem. Did nuclear bomb you back? No, I didn't say nukem. Okay, you said Hiroshima and Nagasaki. I thought you meant it like that. No, no. Because you did say Hiroshima and Nagasaki were good things rather than what most people think, that they were quite bad things, quite bad things. I was saying just the brute force of strength used in those conflicts. Yeah, but even a conventional bombing campaign, if you want to do that somewhere, they can do that to your place. And this is what we have to avoid. Fuck around and find out?

Yeah. Because Kid Rock actually has continual recourse to the kind of militarism that I'm sure many people will be dismissive of in the form of a cultural figure like Kid Rock. That's actually policy in a lot of courses. Like Lindsey Graham, that's what he's saying. Joe Biden, that's what he's saying. Or I mean, at best, oh, she's unfortunate. What's going on in the Middle East?

No one is as enlightened as Joe Rogan just looking off into the distance like where does this end? How does this benefit all of us? And Joe Rogan is a continually maligned, several occasions broadly attacked figure of in some spaces and their relevant spaces figure of ridicule. And I would sort of invite those people that sort of like have him portrayed on SNL in the manner he was or throughout CNN's coverage of the ivermectin stuff. What do you do with that? You don't want that.

introduced into the mainstream? Is that something you want to cut off? Like MAGA, basket of deplorables, Joe Rogan, people challenging that Hiroshima and Nagasaki were good things. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, you're throwing a lot of stuff out. In this, you get more diplomacy than in the Democratic Party's policy at the moment. And you certainly get more discourse and you certainly get more open-mindedness. So how dare those institutions be critical, condemnatory and dismissive of Joe Rogan and what Joe Rogan represents?

which is plainly a huge portion of the American population. And after this, thank God, because those people will be hearing, yeah, hang on a minute, you can't just keep bombing everyone and expect it all to kind of just work out. It's being reasoned. It's actually quite soft, quite gentle, reflective, non-confrontational, diplomatic. It's sort of everything you'd want. Not just someone licking a bloody ice cream or Lindsey Graham saying, bomb, bomb, bomb them. These are mainstream political figures. And I think perhaps

something I've not really considered before. It's one of the symptoms of the emergent independent media space. It's like people are going, I'd rather have that person as president. Hey, that person's better. Like you start to see that they're not an elite class. Like Boris Johnson wasn't made in a laboratory as far as we know. And that Joe Biden doesn't have a divine right to rule. And the Clintons aren't better and cleverer than everyone else. And all those Ivy League schools and all of those institutions and CNN and MSNBC, they're

not cleverer than ordinary people they're not better and once you start to challenge those hierarchies you start to see it quake on a fundamental issue like war you realize ah that's what's happening now the system is falling apart new things are emerging and the people that need it to stay the same are trying to create endless crises to legitimize ever-increasing authoritarianism until someone launches nukes yeah but if you think about you're a kid kid rock and you don't know why

There's a conflict between Palestine and Israel and you're living in Palestine and then they start bombing and then they kill your mom. Yeah, but you didn't do it right, but you didn't do anything. Sounds like Bud Light. You have to let that go at some point. You get guns. You're going to go want to attack people.

You're going to want to avenge them. You're going to want to join whatever group, whatever terrorist group. So why did World War II end? You might not think that that's an earth-shattering observation from Joe Rogan, but if you take a moment to reflect on the consequences of the Afghanistan and Iraq war and how closely they align with his prognosis for this conflict, you start to recognize that it might be valuable to have Antony Blinken or Joe Biden or Nancy Pelosi or Hillary Clinton or any one of these people say, look, the problem

is with this ever escalating tension in the middle east is that can't really ever end can it even if you annihilate everybody there wouldn't that ultimately lead to sympathy and more fracture fissure and war within the region and with this conflict between ukraine and russia ultimately isn't that going to lead to an ever escalating crisis with a nuclear armed super state and

What's the point in provoking China? You don't have to do this for very long. And bearing in mind this is a conversation between Joe Rogan and Kid Rock, before we start to question the entire geopolitical agenda. And people are doing that on an unprecedented scale. And that is why you've now got a censorship industrial complex. That's why you've got two political parties that basically agree with one another on absolutely everything. And that's why you've got a discontented population that are absolutely...

actually crying out for change whether it's people on the cultural left or people on cultural right they're crying out for change we don't want these institutions posing as democracy anymore because when it comes to a clear-cut subject like war it's all they're advocating for there's no one in the political space saying anything as radical as joe rogan in fact i know

think there's anyone on MSNBC or CNN saying, isn't this going to escalate endlessly? And potentially on that particular issue, I don't know how it all carves up anymore. That's why I have a position of, why don't we not have any wars and always look for an immediate diplomatic solution where possible? And in particular, align with the people that are in an inferior position and lend the might of the global community, in particular, the United States nation towards the trajectory of peace and diplomacy, as Joe Rogan is advocating for there, rather than arming them and

having various positions dependent on the conflict. The attitude towards Ukraine is clearly different from the attitude on Israel, and that's a problem because it means there are no values or principles at the heart of it, just an agenda that relates to their long-term objectives, surely. No, I'm sorry, man. This is fucking war. It's terrible. It's the worst thing on earth.

I'm a peaceful man. Well, I hope so, Kid Rock. But, you know, the Budweiser thing and the Nagasaki thing. Again, I might meet Kid Rock one day and I look forward to it. Don't be too condemnatory. Right, but you're not supposed to pick civilian targets. That's actually a war crime. You can't fight war like that.

Joe Rogan. That's actually a war crime what you've done there. It seems like a more reasoned way to run the country. Isn't this the perfect compromise that everybody wants? Isn't this what the Republican demographic sort of wants? Isn't this what the demographic ultimately wants? I mean aren't

these issues on the whole more important than some of the cultural arguments that we're having. We have a media establishment that wants you locked in an unwinnable quarrel about gun ownership and abortions when those subjects will be secondary to Armageddon, which is where both parties are steering us. They're hiding in civilian targets. They are. It will be easy to dismiss this encounter as a chat between a right-wing conspiracy theorist in the form of Kid Rock and eccentric, except that

Points in this dialogue are an exchange of exactly what you hear from the most hawkish elements in Congress. Nikki Haley, Lindsey Graham, bomb them, bomb them, bomb them, almost literal quotes. So in that moment, Kid Rock is a conduit for views that are available to you on mainstream media through members of Congress. And Joe Rogan is demonstrating more diplomacy, sensitivity and understanding than the most sensitive members of the Democratic Party.

party and advocating for peace in ways that are more articulate than you're likely to hear in your own nation's congress isn't that cause for concern isn't that why society is changing and isn't the inability to accommodate this kind of discourse why we're experiencing so much censorship so much decay and so much disarray in our cultural spaces it's not for no reason that joe rogan's become the phenomenon that he has become we could see it play out live there sensitive diplomatic and considered at a point where those in positions of power

making decisions with your tax dollars and the lives of real people around the world don't have an iota of the sensitivity that we've just seen displayed for a massive audience that the mainstream media are happy to dismiss as a basket of deplorables, as MAGA extremists, as meatheads, as Joe Rogan. They're very dismissive about that. What?

ought happen in any sensible culture is that you should see that as a forum where ideas are exchanged in an interesting and meaningful way and astonishing though it is to say it we would be better off if congress took a leaf out of joe rogan's book than the reverse they're the ones pretending they're the adults they went joe rogan he doesn't have a tie i'm gonna

newsroom back there and people are like, well, Joe Rogan might be happy to peddle those conspiracy theories. What? Conspiracy theories like that's a war crime. Conspiracy theories like if you perpetuate a cycle of war, it will ultimately lead to the apocalypse. So whether you think Kid Rock is an eccentric and Joe Rogan's a conspiracy theorist is, of course, entirely up to you. But the fact is that Kid Rock's views are popular in Congress and indeed are currently literally informing policy. That's what's happening. He's not saying I wish this should happen. Alas, that is happening. And Joe Rogan is reasoned, seen

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