Greg and Elina sit down with Philips Vermonte, dean of the Faculty of Social Sciences at the Indonesian International Islamic University (UIII) and senior fellow at the Centre for Strategic and International Studies in Indonesia. They discuss the frontrunners in Indonesia’s upcoming presidential elections in February 2024, their policy platforms, and President Joko Widodo’s legacy. Karen is joined by Japhet Quitzon, new research associate with the Southeast Asia Program at CSIS, to cover the latest from the region.