S21 E14: (2/4) [Annie + Lauren + Rachael] A Big Joke
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Here's Rachel.

I was working in residential treatment. We had to work a holiday. The one I had got stuck with was new year. So I wasn't doing my years.

And since I really his only friend in chicago just said he went to a bar alone, and right after that he said, okay, i'm really getting back out there. I want a woman. He would always say this one phrase, I want a woman.

I want to have babies with her and move back emission. That is my goal. I am the hunt for a wifee, which I thought was kind of funny at the time.

Looking back on IT now it's terrifying as someone like this moves through victims. IT gets more and more intense with each relationship. And I think he was getting a taste of wanting more control.

Part of him was missing that he wanted a woman to control and take care of him simultaneously. He was always on me, too, about setting him up with my friends. I was like, look, you dated one of my friends for a significant period of time, and you messed IT up and not setting you up with another friend. He was very persistent and asking me, but I never really introduced him to any more of my my friends.

After that, my name's Annie.

and I was born, raised in the chicago land area. I'm thirty two years old. I'm a very sociable person.

I'd like to meet people, and I like to do all kinds of different things. Before I met josh, I was in an eight year relationship. So most of my twenties, I was in a relationship with the same person and a kind of bad.

I was single for about six months before I decided I was ready to get out there, start dating again. And josh was one of the first people I matched with unhinge. I like one guys are funny online and they showed a bit of their personality.

I don't like when they're boast full or gloating on the dating, which happens a lot. Josh seemed very humble and funny. He message me with something silly.

I don't remember what the joke was now, but I remember that made me laugh. The conversation I went nowhere initially, which happens a lot on dating up, which I was learning because I was my first time. He came back a couple days later, and he had been talking about bingo.

And he was like, bingo was really good, by the way. In case you were wondering, which I thought was really funny, he was thirty two and I was twenty eight when we met. He told me that he went out all the time with his friends, and he was part of a shuffle board league.

He went to bingo s and he was out drinking in love carrio. He just sounded like a fun guy. I love to go out and try new things. So that sounded great.

How long did you guys chat back? And fourth, before you ended up meeting up.

we talked for a couple weeks. I was actually the one who asked him out initially because I was like, what are you waiting for? He was in chicago.

I'm in the suburbs right now. So we were pretty closed about twenty minutes away. I was excited for our first state because we had talked for a while. I probably talk to him longer through the dating apps. And most guys I matched with we want to the movies.

And he had a mug for me with a little dog onic, because at the time I was working at a canal, he was just very sweet and charming. He paid for my ticket. He bought me ice cream.

Afterwards, we walked around. IT was a really nice first day. After the first day, I actually text my mom.

I was like, that one really well, he was really sweet. He walked into the car and SHE said, did he kissed you? I said he didn't.

And I actually brought that up to on my texting was like, you didn't kiss me. He said I was so nervous on the first date. He asked me if I would like to see him again, and I said I would.

A couple days later, he came over to my house and we were gonna pizon watch a movie on our second date. He mentioned to me that he had gone to jail. And at first I thought he was joking because of the way he saw nonchalantly.

I said to me, and I kind of laughed, and he said, not really. I was in jail for D. Y. As a kid. The judged was trying to make an example out of me is like, I hit another car and I think he said he served six months.

He said when he was waiting in the hallway for his case that he was reading of the paperwork and the woman had died, and he started crying because he thought he had killed her. But then he found out he died of cancer that was unrelated. He kind of told IT, like IT, was almost a funny story.

He would talk about being in jail and how all he ate was cookies because he didn't like the food and he didn't pop the whole time he was in jail. That's how he would summed up like IT was a big joke. I tried to google this afterwards, except like, this is an odd story. I also just wanted to know the details of IT, and I couldn't find anything because I think he was a kid when that happened. Here's Rachel.

He talked to me about IT around the time that I first was starting to get to know him. He would talk about how he had A D. U.

I situation where he got in a pretty bad accident on this one specific curve in a lancing, and that he had killed a woman, and that he went to for two weeks for IT. IT was so strange, though, because the story seemed to change depending on who he was telling IT to. We all had different versions of IT.

Here's long. I don't know a ton about IT. Not for lack of trying. I have started every corner of the internet. But what he told to me and explained to me about the story is that when he was Younger, I think twenty or twenty one, he got A D Y.

And he spent thirty days in jail for that d the way that he explained IT to me, was very casual and nona lot. He framed as IT was almost a really bad situation for me because the woman in the car ended up dying. And I was like, what the folker we talked about back up, and you like, SHE was elderly, and SHE end up dying very shortly after of something unrelated. Like, what a bad look for me, right? He loved a good story, and he loved to say jarring things like this, to get a reaction out of people, and he was very effective doing that.

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Here's Rachel .

killin moved here twenty nineteen. She's one of my good friends from college, john klan. I had been hanging out the three of us pretty regularly this spring.

We were on the shuffle team together. There was a friday night that the three of us were doing together. He was telling us about his most recent hinge state, which was with in.

He said that they went to her house, and he talked about how creepy and weird her house was. SHE made him this giant drink with a ton of tequila in IT, and he got so drunk. And SHE took a vantage of ham.

He kept talking about how strange he was and how strange the house was on. What a weird experience that all was. K, and I were listen to this thinking and saying, if you think she's this strange and felt uncomfortable in this situation, you shouldn't see her again.

He was like, oh, no, i'm not going to see her again. I think we might have a date plan, but i'll probably cancel. And he kept joking about being sexually abused, which is not something to lightly throw around at all. IT means me .

very uncomfortable.

Same patch day was his birthday. And then we so had this shuffle board end of season banquet, which was like a huge deal. And join.

I decided we're gonna go. I took the next day off of work, and one of his guy friends was coming to visit. So IT was a big week for him.

And then I believe he was going to colorado right after that to celebrate his birthday with some friends. That birthday weekend was also when covet was on the horizon. IT was mid march twenty, and we are all moving back.

And for should we still go out and do something for the same patter, stay in the some of his friends, one of them, who was my cousin, was going to come for the weekend. He decided not to. But another one of his friends decided that he still was going to come.

We still did things when I had a time. So the plan was we were all going to go out to dinner for josh's birthday. And then karaoke.

Joshi, I am one of his friends that had come to visit, went to a bar first before dinner. I was right on the way, and we were having a few dreams. This is when josh are talking about any a little bit more.

He said, he really wants to hang out with me for my birthday. SHE hits, text me. I keep telling her, no, maybe we can do something tomorrow.

I was giving him shit, to be perfectly honest, for still entertain spending time with any, because the last I heard the weekend prior, he thought he was so weird. He had called her a witch in literal terms and said that he thought she's put a spell on him. At this point, I was kind of, why are you still spying with her? You clearly don't like this woman.

Don't respond. If SHE haves taxing you, no big deal. Move on. Your friends are here from out of town visiting, then we all go to dinner. More people come to dinner than we all go to the karaoke ke bar.

He disappeared for a bit, and then he came back with this girl, who he proceeded to not introduce us to, and then pretty much only hung out with her at the bar when we were at a table in the back. IT was just a really awkward situation. I was frustrated at a certain point. I pulled him aside like, what is going on with this? And he told me that he found him and showed up at the, I was like, oh god, in fit with the narrative he had already been creating about any.

Here's Annie.

They were a carriole bar. When I got there, he met me at the door and he walked me in and he went over to the table where they were like, set up. I would say there were six people there.

He didn't introduce me to them, was kind of odd. He didn't say this is anne. He didn't say this is Rachel. But people were drinking, moving in different directions. So I kind of rode IT off.

He took me to the side and got me a drink, and then we were chatting at the bar while everybody else was mingling. I definitely didn't feel included in the group, and they kind of seemed stand office. I felt like I was .

intruding IT. Was he a big drinker? How big of a party would you say he was?

Well, he described himself as one. He kind of described himself as a fat boy, which is not my usual type. When we were at the bar, a guy started talking to me.

When josh accept away, I think he was getting a drink or something and he asked me if I wanted to play pool with him and I said, no, i'm here with somebody know, thank you and he said, all you know, if you change your mind, i'll be in the back and josh came over and he said, oh, so we're flirting with people and I said, no, I told him I was here with you and he said that guys are racist, by the way. Just say, you know, I said what you mean and he said, oh, he said that covet is from the chinese. I heard him say that this guy had just walked in a couple minutes ago, so I don't think he heard him say that.

And then I was sitting next to one of his friends who had been more charity with me. And I don't remember her name now. I'd never seen her after that night and I said, I think he's mad at me because that guy talk to me and he said, oh, no, Joshua, just joking.

He's always joking. That's his thing. I hadn't intended to spend the night with him, but my purse got lacked in the bar that night.

My wallet, everything, I had my phone on me, but that's all I had. He was smoking and I stepped outside with him. And in between then they locked the door and I said, my purses in there.

They said, you have to come back tomorrow. So I had to go home with him. IT definitely look like a man's apartment. There was a couch in a TV that's pretty IT. Here's regel again.

They end up leaving early. And then he sticks me with one of his guy friends who supposed to be staying with him. So then, of course, i'm like, okay, you can spend the night my place, I guess we stayed.

We had fun with curio in everything and eventually laughed. The next day was same matter x day. So chicago always celebrate same patch day on the saturday before.

That's when they die in the graver Green. That's when everything happens today. We wake up.

IT was me and josh's friend. And then killing comes over pretty soon in the morning. We're hanging out.

And just for rating job of your attacks at this point because he took any home and ditched us on his birthday night, and then also isn't responding any of our taxi phone calls when we had this whole day plan, forcing patrol day. Eventually he shows up to my apartment with any a number of hours late. IT was so awkward you could cut the tension in that room with a life.

Josh never even introduced us to amy. He has been talking so much crap about her. And then he brings her to think, Patrick ics day, I was like, this is so annoying.

But whatever, i'm not going to let IT remains in patters stay. I've just called the uber and was like, hey, this is where my friends are. Come or not.

here's any again. I was nervous .

because that's my purse that has money in there. IT has my car keys in there, my house keys. I kind of want that back.

And he was very nonce about this like it's no big deal will will get there when we get there and i'm calling the bar and then not open yet, no one's answering. Finally, I get somebody the answer and I was like, OK, let's go and he's like, what is the rush? Like, it's my purse.

We took an uber to get my purse. He took me to the next bar with him to meet up with Rachel. When I got there is definitely felt like they were upset that we were late. He said to me, it's your fault, were so late and I said, what not my fault and he said, i'm just joking. God, after the second .

hanging out with the friends, are you like adding each other on social media and exchanging numbers and stuff were realized capital separate?

Pretty separate. Nobody, aside from the one guy friend that was sitting next to me, because we were in like a booth. So josh was on one side of me, and there was one of his male friends on the other.

And he talked to me a little bit, was asking me about my pets and what I did for work. And he was really the only one who spoke directly to me. I felt uncomfortable.

I didn't understand why no one was engaging with me or even like making eye contact with me. Josh was having separate conversations when we were in the booth. He was turned away from me and talking to somebody.

So I wasn't included in that conversation at all. He wasn't saying, this is amy. We've been talking for long.

nothing. My last relationship, we were best friends. We had the same kind of friend group. We would do things together. I felt included to this day I talk to some of my access friends.

Here's Rachel.

So everyone ended up coming to the barry went to and ani and josh weren't even there all that long. I didn't talk to Annie at all, then kent and talk or at all. We just had a very bad taste in our mouth from the whole situation.

He at some point was like, hey, we're gonna go was like, okay, but that's totally five here on this different journey, clearly. So go to your thing. I'm just going to hang out with my friends.

I ended up seeing out until the evening his friend who was visiting, he left him with me again. So I had another house gas. The whole point of him coming here was for josh's birthday, and he just straight dished him multiple times.

But I really didn't speak to her at all either of those days. And that was the only time I had ever met any until everything blew up. Years later, what he was saying about amy, I took IT at face value because he hadn't seemed to be all that dishonest about anything.

He had his quirks, and I did believe that he was mostly at fault for the breakup with laun. However, I didn't see him as a person who was going to lie about these things at this point in history. IT was when trump L.

U. S. President, there was a lot of unrest. The women's marches were happening, and IT was just before black lives matter.

And he always took so much pride in position himself with, like, a very stains on things. I think he went to a women's march with Laura and had this custom switcher t printed. It's a man of quality support, equality he always made himself.

Seems though he was very liberal, a huge supporter of all the causes that women who work in the field of mental health would be very invested in completely Taylors as pitch. He had met one of my friends from work, even remember a attacks from her. And IT was just a Normal conversation. You with girlfriends, man sock, yes, they do, right. And he had to say, and then I remember that there are men out there like josh and my brother, who are good guys at the end of the day, which now looking back on is wild.

Here's any.

After the first weekend, I met his friends that birthday, same Patrick day weekend, we went in the lockdown for covet. So there was no seeing other guys out in public anymore. There was no being around groups of people.

There was nothing that was just me in josh. I remember texting him like we publish have gone out this weekend. It's very serious, well isolated together.

We've got this. I was nervous about covet in general. So I just felt good to have somebody say they were in IT with me.

I live alone. IT was nice to hear, because otherwise I would have been all alone. He come over during the week sometimes, but he would spend the weekends at my place.

He worked from like three a till noon. Most days I was a nanny, so I was working with a family that was quarantining together. So I felt safe in my job.

He was working for mayer. So he was working with the public consistently. He was a greater risk to me.

Then I was to him, but he would play IT off like I was the risk all the time. He's like, I really shouldn't be seeing you because of lack down. Okay, will you're with the public twenty for seven? I should be seeing you.

The like labelling of boyfriend and girlfriend was a big rift in our relationship. Early on, I would say something about being exclusive and he would laugh. Then he would say, i'm just kidding, you know, i'm a one woman guy.

I would confront him about our relationship and he would say, I just take that stuff really serious. That label is really important to me, and i'm just not sure if I can put that label on us yet. He wanted to be around me all the time.

He wanted know what I was doing all the time. But then when I would imply that he was my boy frigo wa wa wa slow IT down, he played IT off like IT was a joke. But it's like, are you serious or not?

I felt like I was fighting for him to be my boyfriend all the time, which was so silly to me. As far as I knew, he wasn't seeing anyone else. I wasn't seeing anyone else.

We were in lack down together. He would tell me all the time, you know, I can't going where, because my mom is sick and SHE has a compromised immune system. So you can go anywhere, see anyone either, like even if I wanted to see my friends and remains six feet apart outside, he was like, no, it's not safe.

Did you feel happy and fulfilled in the relationship?

Initially I did. I wasn't seeing anybody else. I wasn't even seeing my friends. I wasn't seeing my family because of quarantine, so he was all I had. So he was filling of all these voices. I always used to make this joke that we were forced to be a couple because of covered. If that hadn't happened, I would have continued to date on the apps, and I probably would have moved on because he was just so unserious all the time.

Here's Rachel.

I would still see him. But IT was a distance hang out. We would hang out in the courtyard of my building and sit twenty feet apart from one another, and each have a drink and talk.

I was also very concerned about him going in to work. He is also a smoke. And with his mom serious health diagnoses, I knew he wasn't going to be able to see his family anytime soon.

Once locked down happen, I asked him what was going on with him and irony, and he had said, oh, I cut that off right away. That's not happening. I can expose myself to more people if I ever want to go home and see my family. And for a number of years there, after I thought this is done, IT was just a brief flame.

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Here's Annie.

He was coming to my house every weekend, and sometime in january, he came to my place and he said, all man, my neighbor was pounding on my door last night screaming at me. He was threatened to kill me. And I said, why? What do you mean? He's like, well, I was snoring so loud that I woke him up so he was banging on the door.

He's like, i'm scare of this guy I said, what did you tell your landlord that he's like? Yeah, he told me it's between him and I. I remember I ordered him something off amazon for snoring to help him with IT.

I gave a children, sent him home with IT. He said to me, the next day he didn't work, he was back at my door again. I'm scared of this guy, and I was like, what? You can stay here as long as you need to, but you should really get this settled.

Then there was a snowstorm needs like what I can call home because there's going to be nowhere to park on the street. And he just never went home. After that, I wasn't paying much attention.

IT was nice to have him at the house all the time, and then I said to him, if you're not gonna go home, you should really get rid of the apartment. He said to me, I can get out of that apartment. What if you decide to kick me out? I'll have nowhere to go.

If you decide to dump, i'll be homeless, which is just absurd because people live together and break up all the time. You can find another apartment. Another thing we were constantly arguing about was that apartment, but he didn't give me any money towards anything.

He worked at a grocery store and he didn't bring home groceries. He didn't contribute for electricity. Now I have somebody who's in my house when I Normally wouldn't be home because he worked these weird hours.

So my electric bill went way up, the water bill went way up, because he took these long showers probably twice a day. I had dogs. He would let the dogs out of their crate and not take them outside and let them pop all over the house.

So I would come home from work. And there be poop everywhere. And I said, why didn't you take them outside? He said I did, which he didn't.

Because there's poop everywhere. He let them out of the crate because he didn't want to listen to them barking and just let them run around. He didn't clean up after himself. I found garbage, hidden places like he was shoving IT under the bed, the bedroom on his side of the bed. He would always have a tonic garbage on his nights, and I would get frustrated.

And I would say things about, and like, you need to throw, he drink so much soda, and he would stack the kinds of soda next to the bed if I took IT. And throughout he got mad at me. Don't touch my stuff.

I said, is that your stuff is garbage. You're not throwing IT out. His car was completely loaded with garbage at all times.

The only place you could sit with the driver, see everything else was garbage. I overlooked a lot of the way he was because I just assumed he was immature and he was a slab. This is another little story about how disgusting he is.

My mom got him a electric toothbrush for Christmas and IT was the same one I had its a really nice toothbrush he said to me in private, i'm not gonna that thing. So why is a really nice toothbrush? He said to me, i'm not using that tooth brush.

I said, well, then how have you been brushing your teeth because it's the only toothbrush here. He said, I brushed my teeth in the car. So what you mean you brush your teeth in your car?

He's like, yeah, I have a tooth brush in there and tooth pace and I brushed my teeth in the car. I said, you have a tooth, russian tooth paste in your car full of garbage yeah, that's not weird. Valentine's day, twenty twenty one.

It's our first valentine's day together. I made a sc bookie. So IT was like old sacks that look like roses.

And I was excited. He worked earlier that day, and he texted me while he was at work. And he said, my harman's flooding.

I said, what? He said, yeah, gotto get home. There's something wrong. There's water pouring down from my apartment to the apartment below and I said, why can't your landlord just get in there and figure out what's going on? He said he doesn't have a key.

I said, your landlord doesn't have a key to your apartment and he said, no, I can't find IT. And he sends me screen shots of this conversation with the landlord. Josh runs in from work, runs in house grades, keys and runs out the door.

And he's texting me from his apartment, say, oh, it's a radiated league. IT had been leaking for a long time, and I just went through the floors I have so to clean up here at such a mess. I remember I tested my mom, and I was like, isn't this weird? And she's like, weird of things have happened, which is true.

But IT definitely was weird. He had an excuse for everything. He had screen shots that said, look, this is what's happening.

And how can you argue that? Yes, this seems weird, but he's showing me the conversation with his landlord. So I guess that makes sense.

May of twenty twenty one, we went to michigan for the M. S. Walk, so invited me to meet his family, and we took covered precautions because his mom had a weakened immune system.

IT could kill his mother. That was a big thing he would emphasize to me all the time. You could kill my mother.

He made me test before we went, and he made me take a cover test, but then he didn't take one. He said, what if you don't have cover? I don't have cover.

IT, no, that's not how that works. And now I had to stick this thing up my nose, and you didn't. When we got to Michael, I found out that his sister was not vaccinated.

SHE was going out and he was at work. He was an anti master. His dad also was not vaccinate.

He was an anti va to kill your mother. When I met his mom, he told me to bring her a bottle of yager master. He said, that's her favorite alcohol, shall love you.

So I handed the tour. He goes, uh, thanks. She's like, I put IT in the freezer.

His mom kept calling me Lauren, which is his x name. His dad called me that girl. It's like, they didn't know who I wasn't.

We had already been together for a year. I was like I was intruding again. I always felt like I was intruding when I was with josh for meeting new people .

that josh knew. Here's Rachel.

He said he was still living in the same apartment and going to work. Everything seemed Normal from my perspective, I wouldn't see him as much, but that was kind of Normal just given the time period we were in where IT was summer twenty twenty. So I didn't think a whole lot of IT.

This was also win this talk of I wanna a find a wife so I can marry her and have babies and move back to mr. gan. He was desperately trying to move back to machine all the time.

And as things with COVID started restriction started to lift, a bad things started to open up. Judge killin, I would go do things from time to time. We went to a cubs game together.

We went to night at the shared aquarium. They have like these jazz ghz. We went to a few street festivals.

This was all around summer twenty one. We were all fascinated. So we felt more comfortable starting to do things. Josh od, come to these things and he would seem Normal in .

hindside. Do you think this was when and I was at work?

Because that sounded like they were pretty much always together.

yes. So he was telling her that he was going to hang out with Kelly and I and he die about the activity. He'd always tell her that he was a ticketed activity and I didn't get a ticket for her, so SHE couldn't come.

So he was very strategic and that he was my he definitely kept a separate because he knew that any, and I would compare notes at the end of the day, I think any and I are fairly similar. He thought that I was a serious threat to his ability to maintain powering control over amy. So if I didn't know SHE existed at this point or for these number of years, then I wouldn't t be asking to spend time with her.

Here's any.

I think, natural summer of twenty twenty one. Was he comfortable going out? And he would go out to like clubs, games.

And he said he was wearing a mask and he was OK because I was outside one time specifically, he texted me and said he was clubs, game. And i'm thinking, why wouldn't invite me? You don't take me anywhere.

He's like, oh, well, Rachel only has enough tickets for me. He invited me. We didn't go anywhere together, really. We went out to eat, and that's pretty much that I had to drag him out the door to go anywhere.

So this person who told me he was into trying new things and activities and sports wouldn't go anywhere with me. He would say that he's really tired. You know, he works these weird hours, so he's exhausted and i'm nagging at him.

If I suggested something, he would say, you know, I don't like that. That's a you thing. October twenty twenty one, I was staring a halloween party and I said, do you want to invite your friends from the city? He had been hanging out with them in the summer, so I thought everything was fine.

And he said, I don't talk to them anymore. And this is Rachel l and her friends. I said, what do you mean you don't talk to them anymore? So I don't want to talk about that.

We don't talk anymore. This is a boundary for me. He was using that weapon. Zed therapy speak all the time.

Here's regel again .

for maybe a year or so when things were opening back up, we were doing things, but activities were kind of limited. He would come, we do activity. He would leave.

When I would see him, he would talk about how isolated he fell, how alone he fell, different things like that. And I kept reiterating to him, just let me know if that works out with my schedule, and more than happy to do something with you. Whenever I don't want you to feel so isolated, please just let me know.

But I would always be, I would initiate an activity had he not ban a friend from home and had I not really bent his only friend in the city, I would have let things fail. However, I felt really bad for him. And all honesty, my parents know him like my mom would always ask about him.

I felt very responsible for him, and I cared about him too, so I would be checking in with him. And there was one time we went to dinner when restaurants opened, and he said, uh, things for getting me out of the house. Things were getting dark there.

I was concerned IT was depression. However, I didn't feel as though there was anything I could necessarily do about IT. So things go on like this for about a year.

And then he just stops responding to any of my tax. He stops responding to any of kens tax. He basically off the face of the this time period was maybe three month or so.

And then he came back from that and taxi and said, i'm back. So sorry, things were really rough. I was feeling really depressed, but I am feeling Better now.

Let's hang out soon and I was like, i'm so gd, you're feeling Better. Please next time, let me know. I'm happy to just come over to your place and hang out with you.

After that first period of time when he just disappeared, we were talking in taxi a lot again. And there were plans in the works I added in this text with one of my friends, because he is very into love island. My friend was very into love island, and I had just got ten into IT.

So the three of us were on a love island group text, always talking about IT. That group text is just always popped off because if you know, if I let you know, there are million episodes. He was very active in the love island group text.

We had had a plan. The three of us to watch the family of the currently, and which never came to fruition, because he ended up ghost in and falling off for the face of the earth a second time. This period of time was very long.

Even one of his friends from elementary school reach out to me on instagram and said, hey, is he OK? None of us can get in touch with him and we're all worried. And I said, I hadn't heard from him either.

I haven't been able to get in touch with him. He hasn't even talk to me in six or seven months, so I don't know. I'm sorry.

This started in summer and went into fob IT was about twenty twenty two at this point. So things are definitely more open. I remember the last time I asked him to do something was around my birthday.

My mom and I were going to a cubs game. I knew he didn't have to work that day, and this was after he had said he was just super depress, so I wanted to, like, invite him to things. I knew he loved to go to cup games.

So I was like, hey, this is happening and or you're not working this day if you wanted come, my mom is going going to be in my birthday, you come. If not that i'm also going out with people on the weekend if you want to come to that as well. He just never respond IT to any of IT, which I thought was very, very odd. And Frankly, I was pretty annoyed about IT. I just thought I was rude for me to invite him to a cubs game for my birthday with my mom and .

him not respond whatsoever.

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he conceive it's not working on me. This time, all the excuses, everything is not working. His face changes so quickly. He goes from screaming and crying and being worked up to just completely calm, he walks past me into my kitchen, grabs one of my knives out of the knife black.

My mom was lived, as you can expect a mother to be. My mom decided that he was going to tax. Josh SHE actually texted him and said, if you ever do anything in the slides with either Rachel or my nieces photos again and myself will be pursuing legal action against joe.

I really thought that is someone who feels like I have a very generally good understanding of others and abilities to be in touch with other people. This can happen to anyone. It's not about you. It's about the abuse in the manipulator in the situation.

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