"Sacha Baron Cohen"
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Guys, when's the last quickly you had shown? Well.

probably yeah. What do you mean? My quickly that .

what do you mean probably yesterday?

Welcome to smartness.

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Midway short, yeah.

yeah I know. Look at that.

My tomorrow morning the rest of this garbage comes off and i'll just be to study and then I be into a more let and you ready .

cut a little bit of your hair .

a little bit yeah so i'm going to keep the party in the back and pulling some business on the sides in the top and that will work for two days and and we go back wards twenty years so i'll go back into like like your level, your your short hair, Shawn. Yeah and clean shape.

Michael. Bu.

you're going to go to microblog or a bird or really every part i've ever played in my life.

How dare?

How dare you? yeah. The acting stretches have not been significant.

You be sad to the change. Go yeah .

little bit. But I tell you, I don't know how women do IT with a long hair and the showering you like it's .

always tangled face and .

it's IT takes you twenty minutes to wash her is just a nightman. Yes.

it's been coming up on a year since you ve been growing that.

So this is longer than a year.

Yeah so a big this gonna a big depart .

and I can't wait. My daughters are excited to be done with my nonsense my wife ah is not happy about .

so I saw last night yeah that's .

what I .

heard yeah and he said, he said to me she's like, I like just my had a little bit longer and he goes, I like that and then my friend goes, it's too luck and like, I like that and and then I also proceeded to tell me that .

I was a little overweight. Oh, this is, this is another guest at the party.

yes. And okay, well, that feels great.

I think you look, I think you look beautiful. You actually look a little thin to me.

That's what I said.

Like to fat him up a little bit.

You look thinner.

Sorry, I don't mean to talk to you about talk to like you're sort of like cocky bine just come in. Can you hold this that like a plump you up a little bit before our session? I like john, how are you feeling you're still in new york? We still ever seen each other as if we don't like each other.

But if when you're done with your show.

this is my plan this I was going to say this.

but I I say.

please come over thursday night. Let's do work am getting in wednesday. Let's do thursday night dinner, either shani at your apartment .

or yeah somewhere later .

because i'm furious that I had now you i'm i'm finishing on wednesday after seven or eight months .

on this thing and not including the .

prep among prep well known that includes IT and my wife, because she's smarter and kinder about our friends than I am, has forced me to not come home after eight months of being away and stay an extra five days to go see our friend who's opening in a new play. And so I have to sit here and just kill five days of my life waiting for this.

But that's when you come over and i'll take care of you.

But I mean, I don't think our friend would care if I come see IT like in a month or in two months yeah right. Is opening like that pic of a deal? No.

but yes, nice. We're all gonna go it's onna be nice. You're doing IT for somebody else. Yeah, I think you all do you like?

What do you think .

your face is doing right now? IT probably .

looks pretty pissed .

off gravity.

Yeah but but it's the good.

nice things are going to we're going to go for are going to have dinner the three of us and we're going to do, jack, we are bill .

me stuck out on long island and you're .

going to stay here and oh.

great. Yeah all right. So then i've got you until the kids and the wife get here .

on friday exactly way.

And sean is still in town. Yeah and i'm still not saying him.

we.

We haven't IT all laid up for you. If you when you come up, if you're listening .

out there and you want to grab a lunch or something, just let us.

I was walk down the street the other day, and this, a girl had her your budden SHE goes, oh my god. Joan hays I O yes, he goes, you're really in new york just like you said you were on the podcast.

I don't find that.

I don't make IT.

Now right here comes a guest. It's it's been fifty. No, twenty four minutes. This guess has been waiting with my bad technological problems. All right today, if you're listening, pleasure, i've brought to you an actor, a writer, a producer and academic and activist in a chalier in st.

A chest for me, his ability to deliver social, political and religious commentary wrapped up in size splitting comedy is completely unmatched, making in one of the most effective and valuable sadness we have in this world. He started multiple movies, both committed and dramatic, work with some of our fancy est directors, been nominated one multiple awards. And he is my absolute favorite person to see the party guys, the sneaky, handsome, devastatingly funny, cambridge smart, yet always chicky sacha barren. I'm so sorry for .

the delay and .

a man now I don't .

feel so bad. no.

Well, let me bother him up and then you take him down. It's ridiculous that i've left somebody of .

your the honor to be hundred and forty. You deeper .

you should have been on earlier.

Yeah, yeah. You bury when you do, when you do like when you have like a big act, right? You don't have the markey act first. You have the .

opening .

make wait hey.

a so nice to meet.

I don't think .

I ve .

met where where .

social in los Angeles or new .

york. I am in maria and french in eza a where I live now.

Wow.

yeah I know .

IT is a bit. Would you ever live in .

french polynesia? Because that that sounded great.

You know what? I .

actually during mian, we knew we were gonna move um but we were looking somewhere in the southern hemisphere because we knew that the flight the virus the .

virus doesn't last as long in the southern mid is the northern hemisphere there IT.

The virus was to I think at that point IT was somewhere in the southern misfit and so we had miss the virus. We advise some someone to join up again. So I haven't to be no.

And so we looked into french for nation. I looked to carefully. IT was interesting. Yeah, there's there's A A bilingual. Yeah, you know, this beaches.

Have you been to borbonesa? You been to the brandell? Have you been a to maria?

I have been, and i've been to i've not been to the brand day and I have into borba. And I can tell you everything I visited this on.

This sounds like real A A lead fuck off. Uh, conversation.

No, the best time.

No, but listeners. I always thought to heat. I was like on the the edge of the earth. It's only three hours past hawaii.

I for anybody on the west coast, you know, so people on the west coast, I go to hawaii. I all the time. It's like, it's like florida for the people in new york. Eight.

but just three hours past that. J, because you actually worked there. So you in the first time you went down there, you, I did to fulfilling .

the obligation. Coues.

yeah. No, yes. And way, I am happy to discuss french. Fran eja, to the end, yes, actually wasn't a act feeding friends. And I went shark diving .

or bora, yeah, did you? So does that? Where came front? Did you go down to dive with sharks? And things .

got a little hot days. I think it's illegal. now. They used to something called shark feeding, where I was doing my paddy license. And then that's .

that's how you get certified as a school .

baid ever listener, Tracy here .

and what then? Yeah, the guy I was with, some french instructor had places, have we going to feed some sharks? And then he puts on a kind of chain male hand thing, obviously, we're underwood, and he just had been in me, and he was just me in him.

And he busy breaks open a thirteen, I remember, and then I remembering the droplets of blood. And then within literally two minutes, there were twelve sharks around, no way. And then he pulls out this bag, this tuna head, and he's got, you know, a chat or hand on chain male kind of love on, and they start, you know, eating the thing is really interesting, and i'm the opposite. Then they get Carried away. Yeah and this a feeding frenzy and you can't see anything .

and he's looking at you with eyebrows high like this .

is why he's not looking. His glove gets knocked tough and his regulator, no, gets knocked out of his mile. And then he leaves. He needs somewhere. He goes up and leaves me alone with the twelve shocks that, and I called he a think.

does you put up one finger like i'll be right back?

No, nothing. There was literally nothing.

Yeah, I went down there with a guy. He put, he put a tune ahead in his wet suit and write in the front of his wet suit in order to have all the sharks in a big group of us. And I mean, this this was planned, and he said, done to worry about IT.

And we did a little bit. And then IT was OK. And you can see in their eyes that they're not interested in you. And like, you know, searcher always scary when your heads kind of just above the water. You don't know it's going on below, but once you get under and you can look at a shark, look at you and then kind of swim away, your fear of sharks goes away instantly.

Highly recommended. That did not. The shock knocked the regulator of his mouth and knocked the gloves off. And he's family shine.

You told me once he walked out of arrives with like twelve constitute in your pants, right?

I like a dream come true, you but so you you sound like that was a surprise that I went to ride.

I was, but and I pacy, start hyvert later. This was my second time dive.

Yeah but I mean.

like a bit then actually the guy put he put his regulator back on, yeah put the glove because he'd left me like went back down and then the first shot went to attack him and he punched IT in the nose. I think this is not good for the write. Love is out there.

No, you're .

supposed .

to do the ending himself. That's OK. yeah. If the shock .

is eating and you just going, I know you sure that the shark wasn't just coming to him for more sort of that blood he was in. He wasn't .

in trying to bite. The guy was.

I don't think .

that he.

he had one of the shocks, the lemon shock, which I think .

long he had.

did you up to, and I said, has anyone in the end eye based? He came to be checked my oxygen, and I completely run out of oxon. And then we did some emergency procedure. You know, you take his .

regulator.

he puts in your mouth and you put yours, don't worry.

this is how we regulate very long are .

both in this, we go up. This hasn't right?

Your love of school bide. No is IT. No.

no, no. I went back the next day. I didn't say if I said anyone ever got hurt on any of your dives and he said, two people have died.

No way for.

yeah, he was a cave diver. Those guys are completely crazy. And he based missed the fun of, and they are thrill of cave diving. I think .

stupid diving is like the stupidities is the most magical thing i've ever done. I would love to do IT more.

What if you said, have anybody ever done? You know, any goes, just two people. And you said they like, like any case when he goes, no, I I murdered them.

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do you do a lot of that stuff? Just like you thrill, seek you would throw.

seek you, you view our .

skydived.

would you? I have not, I would not have you have you?

I, I, I was a week away from IT, and then I cancelled IT a because I, I, I, I said to myself, okay, what do you think you'd feel at the end? And then I realize all I would feel is relief. And then I thought, well, i've just had my first kid and I shouldn't be doing things that i'm excited about having gotten away with IT yes, I like no longer shall be doing things I get away with yeah and so I stopped.

I said, no, I don't want to do IT. And none of you guys have done that. Would all .

three of you I did you .

but that doesn't get fucked. Little fly and count .

IT doesn't .

count. So sasha baron con.

just drop the barham .

but is barren .

is not a part of the last name is that? Is that .

just is that .

your middle part? I got, so your blend of a comedy and for lack of a Better term education is, as I said in the intro, I find personally so admirable. And like you make the medicine go down super easy for the dunes like me. And the the stuff you shine a light on not only just on issues but also um sort of ethics and bigotry and eeta, where is that come? Well, I kind of know where comes from but tell the audience like when did that when did you figure out you could blend your social awareness with your committee .

talents first?

Thank you very much for that.

lovely.

I expend all day.

But please don't.

I think, is the first time, actually the second time, I did bora. So basically, bora was created. I was doing like a satellite T, V show called F, T, F.

Where I was the host affair, IT was a discussion show for teenage kids would think about everything, and you took about teen topics. And, you know, I wanted to be a comedian. And so I would go in three record characters that I could throw to.

Basically, I went out once, and I had kind of skateboarding character. There was an early form of valley, and then I basically saw some real skateboarders. And the guy I was with, this soft old director from eeling studios, who had lost all his money, as was working on this really shitty supplied T.

V show I said, look, those guys look like me. I go, do you think I should talk to them? And he said, one hundred percent.

So I go into these guys and i'm basically on my school board and i'm playing this early L G. character. And they thought I was real, right? And after about three minutes, I said, guys, you know, i'm not, i'm not all this.

They were completely free out. And then I, A tourist bus came. I jumped on the tourist bus, common day day. I started wrapping, got off the bus, went into.

maybe this was, I .

think, nineteen ninety five or four OK. I place to go to a par. I saw printing. They call the police. I go some big business.

I claim m that my dad's s upstairs and he's the CEO, the security we run back to this live T. V show I run, they put on my noral clothes. And this guy, this legended guy, who is an editor, I tell elan studios, yeah, is editing what i'm on air.

This is, this is the days of neumatic. s. This is, he's like cutting, you know, everything, losing full friends, and he's adding music.

And this guy is a kind of legends guy. wow. And i'm cutting to this stuff in IT. You know, me with real people. That is the first time that was a comic character with real people.

And you realized that you could try and horse some of the social commentary inside a comedy.

I'm really answered your question that this was the first time I ever you characters in the real world.

You weren't doing that like even alli weren't really at early on elegy. You're really making a commentary. You are just fucking with people.

Well, well.

but york exposing .

sort of the low brow perspective on certain things that deserve a high brow analysis. Yeah, I mean.

I in a way, aleg was kind of a undermining of the establishment. Yeah, he was essentially saying, okay, these people, that wrong society, they are completely out touch with society so much. They will believe that this guy is real, despite him asking the most absurd questions.

I tell you such. A, I think i've told this. And J, B, you might know this, but, and I don't want me to speak ill of the dead, but what they don't give.

not going crise him again.

No, I told you I won't ever member you. Maybe I see a .

problem to yes, I know I was in .

that you were an absolute a red. So we think it's one .

of the weird .

position you think no was years ago right after IT air. And I want to say about two thousand, three, four, something like that you were still doing allergy at the time was before bought and you I was at a party with because he was at arrest development with James lipped and Jason, you were there too and I I just seen IT I said the James lip and I go, oh, I saw you an .

L G and I said I just .

to o yeah and on A I paid the world prison and .

gentleman and it's is a really .

funny bit to the word right and the whole time he's really just trying to get the more the amount to play like a musical but he says, I said, yeah so you know you god, that was so funny and goes, I knew when he came in I knew that I was a bit and but he went on this whole thing and I just watch IT and thinking like.

no, no, no.

absolutely no idea because he took me off camera off to would finish the interview back to the other room and thought, you know, I was still in currently completely believed to I was that he showed me like a painting of a naked of his wife. Woman, yes. Goes, that is my wife, yes. Would you wonder if you thought, and I was that Young man, he is. Man, I was that somebody else.

Wait, you know how you know that somebody else, as he has told me that very same thing that he back and said, this .

is the main, establish me as a reliable .

with this and start that started the classic from borat of its. My wife.

right, is my good .

James.

He was beautiful. And the classroom, if we use those kind of ways to category.

we'll be .

right back.

And now back to the show.

At the beginning, when I actually like like about the risk taking like that, would you do anything else other than, you know, swim with the sharks or whatever? And he said, no, absolutely. That would talk about sky de diving. I just realize like this what you do is so high so it's like that must fulfill some kind of like yeah the rush you love that .

that kind of russia of like you're about to get caught.

You're not doing that as much anymore, correct? Is that because you just sort of like older and wiser and you don't want to get hit or run anymore? The .

sorry, sorry.

yeah not that end of question.

interrupted slide. I thought I was waiting .

for the little no, I .

can go. And then there was no, with the last borat movie, there was quite a lot of that stuff. And actually, I mean, we did. There was a scene at a gun rally, which was, yes, got quite here. I remember .

reading about that.

and audience said that was a militia, unfortunately, that had organized ed, that they didn't take very well. And I was seeing a song of the woo hand flew, everybody want to.

I mean, where where is the fearlessness come from?

I'll tell you the truth, with that seem because we knew that they were going to be. But you basic was a gun rally. And everyone, he was the middle cove. D, we were the only movie shooting. And so, you know, my security said, listen, you need to have a bulky vest on and so I put on the bus and I said, they go, that's fine for pistol and they said, I go once, if somebody shoots the automatic and, you know, it's not just one persons that they built, so singing on stage, they built an amplifier that was pretty much bomb proof.

The spaces said, you know, if people start really shooting with the semitic edict, go behind the end of fire and, uh, you'll be safe he says and and say, the thing is, you know, you are in the scene, i'm on stage and, you know, you have this kind of conflict between, you know, i'm terrified and then you also have, I need to get the scene so you wanted so I was doing, you know, the same adverse again, because I thought I haven't got a good take of fair. They were getting more and more. They realized at some point there was me on stage.

There was somebody actually undercover from black lives matter, had informed ted this n rally. yeah. And basic, they recognize me and words read, that was me. And then people started trying to storm the state.

right, because they realized they will get in cloud.

Yeah, yeah. I obvious. Ly, they will have guns. And then, but i'm trying to get the scene, and obviously to do as different takes.

And eventually they did storm the stage, and actually somebody pulled a gun. And lucky, I had a very good body got at the time. Yeah, he's dead. But he has been such a beautiful.

real.

That's why you said at the time, yeah, yes, yeah. He was such a, he went away so well. It's such a beautiful, unreasonable funeral. It's find you .

mentioned reasonable because I was going to say you as part of this and you've kind of the situation to describe, you have to deal with a lot of people who some might considered red to be kind of unreasonable to be extremist of, you know, in in certain ways in my question is when you deal with all these people and and you're revealing all this, are pulling back to the sort of the covers on all this kind ship to you, do you ever have a moment where you go? You know what? This person is kind of a good person. They're just really they've just gotten off on the wrong path or i'm sure some of them are despicable. Yeah but just summed misinform but as IT the heart, there are kind of good people.

yes. I mean, on the last vibe as well there, these two guys I spent three days in a house with called jim and Jerry, and they were.

this is bruno right now.

This was born out too. They believe that he, clinton cloud child and the hilly killed kids, you know, but they were actually, they were nice, people were good. People were just miss informed. And so you surely realize there and there actually feminist because, well, when I was, when I was being, when borrow was being, was is about his dog. They were like, they took in upon themselves to teach me that was important to be respectful, your daughter, and if he wanted to do her own thing, we should do.

So they, they were actually good guys, and you suddenly realized, and he was a surprise, right? Because they have those views, and you want to dismiss these people as being horrific, and you, something realized that actually, any good person, if they feed a set of ideas instead of information that's wrong, can believe conspiracy theories that ultimately lead to horrific stuff. right? right?

What I mean know we at at the risk of of stepping towards political, which we trying not to do on this, because god knows people get enough for that shit away from here. But just on this subject, do you feel hopeful at all that there is a scenario of possibility where the those who feel so just in franchise and aggrieved um can be brought into a sense of actually I guess we aren't um you know uh we didn't be trivialized that we can all kind of get along and work as one like do you see .

that as as a possibility? So I don't give him the state of the current you know internet and information and laws basically yeah .

that possible you can penetrate this misinformation, make IT healthy .

what we did. You know you're being fed so much stuff that polarizes you yeah you know, if you look at the crazy ess is that is going on in the world, it's everything has been accelerating since you know social media came along yeah so until really, in my opinion, until you actually get laws that you get legislation that curves the power of those social media companies and says, alright actually you can't spread lies like this that kill people yeah or that completely undermine democracy and and you .

you are you are legitimately educated on this issue of of of free speech vers you know trying to keep the social media sites um from being regulated so my question to you is what is that difference between will free speech IT should be given to everybody but you can't yell fire in a crowded theater so what what is that line and and and who is the one that can that can say, oh yeah this qualifies as you can't yell fire in a crowded theater. So therefore you can't say that like who decides what statements to get put in that category?

I mean, these are very big questions, huge. And they kind of vary from country to country. So you know in england, australia, in germany, you know you have about hate speech, about certain types of this information. In america, obvious. Ly, you have complete free speech, but it's but it's not up to accept .

for out yelling fire.

Yes, will actually you you kind of can at the moment, I mean, you know the internet companies because they're not regulated because of the same court section to thirty they can put out.

which is a free speech thing.

right? Section two thirty isn't really about free speech. IT basis says you can't see them. So once you can't sue a company, you know they have no obligation to, you know, maintain the free speech of united states in the same way that a restaurant can say, you know what, i'm going to throw you out the restaurant for saying this all the out or were having that K, K, K, yh, od here. So I think the fact, you know, they're saying that they care about free speech basically because it's fantastic for their business IT means that they can have every single person in the world, can be on matter, can be on instagram, can be on the eggs. They're not actually they don't care really about no.

look at look at elan musk who consistently talked about free speech and he'll do that and then out of the other side of his mouths, his declining the government for doing X, Y, Z, or he's kicking people off or he's muting them on twitter. I really don't want to talk with that. I want to give any more air time, guys.

Such a, in my opinion, so fucking unfunny. It's crazy. Which is I think the most damming thing about one of no, a lot of dam thing. But the fact is how profoundly unsuccess and funny he is is so .

astonishing but and that's why your work um and you know your courage quite Frankly in my opinion, is so valuable and and you know i'd take IT I wish you were back on a weekly show. I'd take IT once a week. So thank you for all. I think you're right.

Yeah, maybe we need to have that sort of you need to be in their land pooing and really showing shutting light on the hypocrisy alone is so fucking daring.

right? It's refreshing to me.

You must be fun for you when you have those people say when you put them in that position .

and then they say the thing that you like analysis while i'm actually in the room, i'm editing the scene as well, right? So in my head i'm going, you know, once they've got thing OK, oh, that's great. And now one follow up question. Bank, okay. Now i'm going to move on to the expert because this notes direct to that.

you where did you where did you know i've .

always .

been taken by .

your 啊 you're surprising thing， more so that what you mean it's surprisingly it's surprisingly um but here .

I did say sneaky handsome in the intro I believe thank thank but the and you should start as a model but we talk about that more wikipedia accuracy um but your ability as an actor is like breath taking might be overstating IT but I don't have a Better I don't know I don't .

know but it's like your comedy .

is never your comment never comes from jokes and you never make an you know rarely as a proud flower making faces. It's about your ability to be so convincing with an extremely excentric character and yet you can be literally sitting in front of somebody who is super smart and maybe even prime to sort of sniff out some gotcha moments and they still can't tell that it's you but not even when you're doing you know those characters if when you're just in films and dramas and self like weird you didn't you didn't take formal training as an actor, did you?

Um I only did one core. I did. I started with the Philippi the. At a clown school yes that was that I did IT but no I didn't .

really train acting just something .

that .

ah you just come natural to you a how do .

what do you well I think yeah I think you know we didn't experiment after in two thousand and sixteen I that that show whose amErica came out of me and my collaborator and hines, and downstream, we based that you know what letters creates some characters i've done a movie had been a complete bomb. And as like, let's take this opportunity to create some currencies. And we decided to go every week.

For the next ten weeks, we going to create a character write IT, create a fake prosthetic head for IT, and at the end of the week, shoot with a real person with the character. And I did that for ten weeks, and there were variety of crazy characters. Some there made IT to the show, six we have put in the show.

And then I realize basically what I was able to do is once i've got the way the character speaks, and once I work out what he looks like and wants to work out what the clothes are, and i've got a couple of phrases I can just stick in IT. So that was because I read that was in a couple of weeks. And I, I, oh, this is what I can do, is I can, they call IT inhabiting a character but I actually kind of know if I got thirty six whatever, then i'm I can go in IT probably must be something wrong with my brain.

No is I think some people, it's it's just comfortable to them to pretend to be somebody else and they just know how to be super, super and convincing and authentic. And IT doesn't trip them up and you're able to stay in IT. Well, there's a freedom, but but there's a freedom too.

If you think king about IT, because a lot of those times when you're shoot, especially some of these are whether it's poor out of bruno, whatever, you you've created a character or multiple characters, but the people you're working with are not aware that they're in a scene in the same way, right? So so it's much age is difficult because it's it's complete very day.

You're actually in their real life, right? So you've got to not just convince the audience. You gotta convince the person you're dealing with in the moment that you're real, a real person right now. You've got to do that. And there must be a certain, I don't know, like making that leap is is tough, I I would imagine, like just getting into that yeah what making .

IT real I mean, it's funny sometimes OK. You know, i'll have a direct to say, you know, I wanted to do you a scripted movie and they're go this time you going to be playing a real person and I go, hold on the other people. I play on real people, which is why with dick, why with change for three hours and he he doesn't doubt one, he's with a real person.

What I mean.

thank god you started that.

What can you say? Can you say anything? Can .

you talk about? I mean, essentially, you know that movie so we like, why do we bring poor at back? And actually, good.

Thank camel where kim said we want you on IT was like the mid terms, and he wanted to do some sketch where basically I was a kind of ashton couture type who had been manipulating in coming west into turning him into a character. There was so ridiculous that he would hang out with Donald trump. And basic, I said, i'll do IT so longer can.

This was years ago. This was two thousand eighteen, right? And so I called up kenya, said, will you do this thing and IT be unit. He already met up with trump, and I said, we do this sketch, which is, you know, we're planning out, you know, we onna create this ridiculous character and it's gona end up with you in trump tower and it's gonna as if you were playing along and he said, I love the idea, but you know, I need the president to a great and I was like, trump, I go, don't don't ask him so I couldn't do he goes, he goes now I love him and and I want you to I need to ask him I K.

Please do not tell him we're doing this sketch so I couldn't do that sketch and then basically I decided to do borat, actually, about Chris rock that name job, I think so, because he got a name job, yeah ah yeah yeah yeah name so I votes chis rog, world famous comedian, an actor. And he said, why don't you you know, was in a rush base that was gonna on today's time, said, just did. Born at going door to all we did, born at doll at all, got them a star out of storage and and then I realized that basically bore out was just an extreme form of trump.

They are almost identical views. Said all I was a thirty to forty cent more extreme with everything as that. Oh great, we can to bring IT back for trump.

And then I was like, how do I infrared? No, trump s world. I go, okay. He has a daughter who's fifteen. Wouldn't IT be great if you know, trump pad sex with her.

And so originally I was trying to work out how to get this, you know, actress in with trump. We've gotta close them for a while. But that was, we spoke to a lot of x secret service guys.

And the idea was like, I would kind of jump out of the wall somewhere. We had like all these plans where, you know, tom would be in a room, I would be inside the war. We would to, you know, hold out a wall, then build IT up around me.

And then I burst out when he was with her. And at top, secret service guy looked out the present, and we get anything this planned. I'm going to be in there, being there like five hours, he said.

The issue is that secret service have a machine that seize, if there's anyone else, anyone in the walls, and I go, right, so I get, what's worse comes worse. They find that i'm there and what they pull me out, he goes, now they shoot to dead. I get why? He says, because why else would you be and why would they be a living person? Yeah, inside the world.

unless .

ics also know, we thought of the time that, you know he was the most protected person in the world. I mean, this was prior to those last unfortunate interact, rudy. But then we found that rudy was a possibility, got a bit of .

a soft target, yeah.

but we knew that he was going to be crucial. yeah. And we kind of researched him. We found out what what he track when he started drinking. Was that IT?

Is the answer anything?

I think there was a particular type of alcohol, but then we we heard that he would sweep the room. He had a very senior ahead of security. He'd come in and sweep the room.

And so what? We built a kind of fake cuboid inside the wardrobe. So fake back to there was wardrobe. Somebody opened IT. IT would have a fake back to him behind that was me. And so the idea was I just stand there for, you know, now and a half and necessary bit jump out if he was close to kissing, you know, to go playing my daughter and I basically the with a crew member who actually and put me in the wrong room and I said, know, when is you know?

So I would have to be in position for, you know, for this to happen otherwise, you know, there is no way to get into the room because his head of security would come in the room, sweep the room, swith every room, and then he would sit outside, and no one could come in with ruby, ruin her. And I was in the wrong room and I said, women, how long till really, you know, that goes to the room? And he said, oh, he's on his way.

They're now and I was like, now. And basically I ran to the woman I literally saw through his leg, come around. I duck into the room, went into the wardrobe, went behind the fake wall, closed there.

And then I had the door open off his security, you know, sweep the room that I was in ah and then come out to sweat to the room. We did the same you venture I like so in there for now in a half, and know the only way can communicate with the director was through a cell phone. And we thought of everything.

I pick up the call, and i've been the pitch black, and this three percent are now. And I like, we did everything. We got hit in cameras, we've got, but we somebody had not charged the cellphones.

So at some point I had to kind of climb out of IT, make eye contact with the brilliant acting maria, who is playing my daughter. And she's like reading on the bed, and she's like coming out looking me again. What do I do? And and eventually I confronted rudy.

He freak out, goes out the room, and his head of security pushes me into the room, you know, i'm playing boat and bora, know, is so nice. You know, if he sees a chair who say, what does this? The aching with full legs.

And so they head a security, push me back into them, going, you are going nowhere because I havena scape reed. So my security guy was going to take me down the the scared, but they had security pushes me into the room because you're going know what your thing right here. And I said, this is a false imprisonment.

You are standing on my property and you will leave now. And I have been now. And basically he realized that, read the law, ran down, ran down the fire escape, got into a car, got to the cruel hotel.

And then essentially, my lawyer says he found out what we did. He said, okay, you ve got to get out the state now OK. That's ridiculous.

Why they go? Really, really had called something. And i've met the manager of the hotel a year onwards in dc, and he said really had done something that, anyway, called in.

But he said, every single type of law enforcement descended on the hotel, shut down the hotel, they confiscate all the equipment. All the crew was stuck in the hotel rooms. And then my security, I had a policeman i'd hired, he realized that i'd set up the on.

He immediately told rudie security where I lived, where I was staying. And so my lawyers like, get the hang out of a york city now, as like, that seems a little bit over the top. I called up this other security guy, I know, I know last, I who runs these kind of detectives, you know, new york, and something to listen.

I've been told I have to leave new york state, you know, in the next twenty minutes, because I interviewed someone. Now, I O, because what did you do? I go, you know, all like lay politicians.

And he goes, he was IT. I go, as you know, Julianne, he could get the hell of the hotel now, oh my god, I thought texted everyone who I knew outside of new york. Hi, I go.

I ve never seen you for a few years. This was the middle of the pandemic. Yeah, this is where manhattan.

I was completely empty. You've got the avenue. There was not a car or a person I know.

How's going? Any chance I could stay soon when fifteen minutes and people like, people like retail not responding? Eventually one of them says, yes and basic. I drive to connecting and he .

was fantastic.

But you got all the footage and you got your IT was resting.

and we will be right back.

And now back to the show.

So socha, I would imagine that the thrill of acting, and also the sort of the and and the social relevance, political relevance of of some of your efforts is rilling does IT compare with the the, the just the pure acting thrill of of being in a film that struck by mci is a not just one third of what you're doing when you're doing your other is IT. Can you compare the two of them you drawn towards one .

versus together? I I am I remember the first film ted was holiday gines. Yes, there is the first tray like being in I went in a liquid, Bobby.

And and basically I remember seeing that there was a bid in the trailer and i'd never had a trailer before for him because we'd always in the of why in my room I know that I got what I to do, sleep you. And so I think wall, this is actually an incredible gig. But you know, when is the other staff IT is I mean, it's much less stressful. Yeah, although, you know, I just did I just did this show with that one of koran.

Yes, let's talk about that.

That s we had a fifteen minute scene in cape launch that they wanted to do in one take.

yeah.

And that became pretty existing and .

pretty you a passion for for acting like the freak crash acting you know I mean.

if it's good and you're working with an incredible director, yeah then and you are an incredible direct to my friend, you can I just say but i'm IT, it's different categories .

for you though yes. I mean, it's not comparable, right? They're different things, yes.

no, because you're just doing the act. You know everything else is how we're gonna get into the room. What's the escape route? Who's that person? That person is looking suspicious. This person doesn't quite believing my fake ear falling off my head, you know and then you you know number eight in the thing is a performance yeah ah yeah.

Now I become behalf of millions of people that are fans of yours like I am like a huge fans where we're constantly waiting for your next thing or because you're one of the few artists that you know combine art and politics and have been so successful in all of those improved sample types of whatever you call them, to replay these at these characters.

I obviously you can tell us if you're what IT is your hand, but are you could we expect another character to pop up in a movie soon? Are you excited about that type of thing to do that again? Because from the outside, I can't wait.

Yes, yeah, I can't wait .

for for those types of things again.

Or are you doing that? I think they are. yeah. I mean, the last one became so extreme, and IT was after that, you know, gun really think that was talking about, yeah, I was essentially on the run. I had a malaya kind of following me. And we were going, I was going from safe house to safe house around four days.

That the movie.

yes, exactly, by the way, I mean, it's that was yet a kind of is the movie because, you know, you finished that that song without lish ago that went really well. And then the escape itself is time we were in an ambuLance by thirty guys trying to out the ambuLance. They pull open the door and we .

can get enough of that.

We yeah that yeah I know what you that's the behind the scene of somebody that these people behind the scenes move yeah we shot we did have we've got a bunch of footage of the last twenty five years, but yet that I think IT became so crazy in the last one that you realize if you've got to be the skill on preparation, but also to be lucky and at some point your luck run yeah yeah runs out.

And there are just a practicality of IT because IT has been so successful for so long time. Type you again for like a Better term ambush type of thing. Like people, people know you.

They d love this film. Like the millions and millions of people have seen them. You just can't speak up on anybody anymore.

Yes, but I think just the danger element ant that I just didn't really wanted do IT again you know have to do for that election, have to do I think I was like, you know I was terrified about is ah it's not come .

off the gas just yet okay? Yeah where we're not all the words yet still still needs you. That's sure. You know, having haven't ask you one fucking question and we're done for finished with the time no, I thought all these things all like highlighted and everything, I apologize to the listener we have any legitimate journalism here. Let's let's at least talk about dic claimer and working with all phones or coron and apple and a cape lunch. I mean it's it's it's it's well well well deserve for your acting talents to be um you know working with these people at the top of of the profession so um have you seen IT all the way through disclaimer?

I watch shift the first time in at invents yeah and I no one could believe that I hadn't watched to them and i'm yeah the embarrassing thing was, I was laughing at the jokes I making. IT is not many, quite embarrassing. You are premier watching yourself, and you are one of the only people laughing.

And then I, I was, like, really moved by one of my form, ces. I was like, native. And I realized just a .

complex IT wasn't til Venus that you realized .

that why I never knew there was a connection between active in movies. And I .

know, and it's absolutely stunning. IT comes out october or came out.

When is the came out this october? yeah. IT came, came out.

IT came out out to relevant. That was amazing. It's incredible. no. I mean, october eleven there was the weather was so great that day.

So when do we get to um you coming back to lost and at any time soon?

I'm around. Just give a shot if you need a place to crash when you're in trouble in new york again, yeah, my .

place is, yeah, yeah.

Are you getting IT where they .

look like you are? Really, really nice to to say yesterday, I know .

you don't do this a lot, this very bad of that.

It's i'll see you socially.

socially a pleasure. The slight .

pressure with no.

very, very.

mostly I can see you. I don't know you are doing this in time. I'm seeing good. I have you.

What .

are are you .

doing? This is I think this is my july .

from my calendar net.

That's the calendar. Saw a, thank you. So, so.

so much. Thank you.

Love you a lot. Please .

come .

out .

like.

so I do not.

I do. Yes.

I love you. So even though we don't know each other.

love you, you love, I feel a factually, I felt an instant warm good yeah, yeah, very .

one.

He totally does seem like that you're right.

You don't going to see me for saying that. Came on his strong .

love IT.

thank you. Thank you. Thank you and goodnight, e and enjoy the .

rest of your night.

Thank thank you for great. I can't wait for this claimer. Everybody check IT out.

No, I think honestly, I would say I I thought was .

exelon ent. I.

I, I, I, I hope they put they .

should put that on the poster. I think it's actually .

A I personally do his accent, brother. I have seen stuff that i've done as like, that is bad. I laugh and I cried at myself.

but i've been pretty fucking funny to have a quote from one of the stars .

of the film of them, k. Bono, a guaranteed M. A. To he and of great Kevin .

client.

I am in this Kevin .

client in IT.

Kevin client. He's actually fanatic with you.

All right. Enjoy the rest .

your night. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank that's .

a great gas chain that was really.

really be like .

a great story.

One of the funny guys i've been, he's up there with shanghais wilder net and whales are in my world. I just like the just can I get in an instant good .

mood nobody going to say nobody I A sound so to say but it's true, nobody does. Nobody does what he does. Nobody he's ever done what he does.

No ones got the intelligence, the balls or the acting talent to do what he does.

Yeah, Peter sellers.

which is a hero by the really get that, yes. Yeah.

like a version of that. And real life when you could.

But I mean, IT to the real world. Yeah yeah. It's really cool. I I .

never met him before. I just seems so I love to hang out .

with latest .

at a party. I just start to hover and and he's eventually got a walk away from me because I just put .

too much time and he seems hyper intelligent.

cambridge educated oh yeah.

yes yeah.

Not a dingo. Speaking of ddos, what's for lunch today .

shown I was going to do a french dip. And with french always.

why is that always something special? Like something it's got is always got something was saw or yeah like some kind of like really electric flavor to IT. How about just like some sort of sustainable aren't .

you amazed that how fast I know my answers whenever you ask what I had or what i'm going to have?

Well, we're cutting into IT right now, right? You can probably .

smell IT right clock in the coast.

yeah. Is IT already? It's small. No, i'm going .

where in the second night there is a place, the black way.

the name of IT me I try to point.

yeah no, there's I can't remember, but it's like away. I only takes a second to get yeah, it's so good. Wow, so good. It's one of the best in the city.

What i'm going to have nothing yeah because I .

have because .

i've got this a stupid a level of discipline about because of my passion for my character.

my strong I get IT. I know you do I know you're joking, but it's true and it's very admirable and and .

but I can not healthy to do IT.

I know I tired being sent but wednesday .

that i'm saying wednesday after wednesday is over a new wrap, your beautiful show, an amazing show that ever is going to .

go apps about yeah thursday wednesay yeah wednesday p so thursday, our dinner can IT be something .

super fattening. Yes, I have to. So i'm not because I have less weight.

I want to do thing, which is it's all about eating, eating more and eating the right thing. And that's one time about losing weight. Unhealthy is not good. You can lose weight and also do in a healthy way. I look like this.

no. So then what am I going to have thursday night? I'm going to have steak and .

love stake and vegetable. No, start. No bread. No.

nothing like that. I can. You can. You do pizza, can .

you?

No, no, man.

a little bit starts at lunch, tiny bit like a little bit, maybe a sweet potato, a couple of pieces, maybe a little bit rise like that much. You you got a .

release of all ever, once, and see you want a little, tiny little by the pizz .

one sheap meal a week.

One me to keep your meta lic rate going right now.

One, but it's about here's anything you don't. It's not fast metabolize or slow metabolize IT. Turns out hotter, cold.

And what you need to do to keep your mentalism hot is you need to feed IT with the right stuff at the right time of day. I won't saw this guy. unbelievable. yeah. unreal. And this .

is dating or just.

I mean, I I I met him. I met him right behind, you know, the party store on sunset. sure. So another. Guy, and I hear .

he says, i'm going to be in .

a Carola, yes. And he, he, no. Anyway, flash.

how many time? Flash a brides? What was?

What was the code? IT was more, less code. And I thought to help.

And can you help? Can you help me with my pants? is.

He was just, he was just, you know, he was just a person. He was like, bystander.

just commit. Do IT just do .

someone strong?

Try.

try to do without going up. O K.

O, K, O K, O K, K, O K. So the guy I OK, I know that guy that you met be .

behind the party .

was just a .

regular bye.

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