"Laura Linney"
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Is your team winning? Yeah, it's N, F, A place.

atlay. Is liverpool .

that you're rooting for? yes. Yeah, A.

A O O.

You surrender by a princess.

a princess.

and say, hi, it's a tiny Terry.

tiny Terry. That was a ti. Tiny Terry. And this is smart.

Shawn, I just did this stupid thing to show, but I reminded me before you came mind. Jb, yeah, the other day I keep in funding ways, bears all red dinner, just the two of us over there in the second carbon.

And you forget to wear your awake no.

And you know, how can you forget the glue is so thick .

and you keep up the keyboard.

right? The glue thick, the glue IT says six weeks, but let's be honey. After five weeks after the crack.

you have to rely.

Yeah, yeah, you reply, but I have a cocking gun. I can get a new I can just do a touch up in the moment, you know I mean, like if i'm serving.

get a good cock a good cock in there .

ah um but right the right as the as server came to the table I just go I look up the story go one second I go oh sorry so to answer your question it's guess you back back and shades back telephone as if i'll set her asked me the lary show that m and m and to go start yeah we're ready to order.

Did did the way to have any idea?

No idea. Did they do what first?

Well, they're not .

there for entertainment. They are they're not like they don't want to .

laugh at your stupid when you have been.

But you know like a waiter goes like, we're all out of the salmon you go, we're out of here the waiter like, hey, fucker.

I've heard that in many times.

I just but you know, but i've set IT a bunch before, so apologies. But I I have always kind of love the idea of being a waiter, just for the performative element of IT, where you have different each tables at different stage, and you the different audience, and you gotto figure out who they need you to be in order to get the biggest test to be my game.

Let's hope this your new limited series and because if IT doesn't, you might get a chance to .

try to speaking up.

Shall did the same thing last night. He came over last night with Scottish, took a look at the first two episodes because we're not locked yet. I need eyes on IT and I need opinions and you're .

going to shut your mouth for one second because, well, have you seen the two epcs the first two years? No, i'm not there. I just I didn't know, like if you could send at him, it's so fucking great. And you, I know .

because I got was .

really good anyway where that's it's so good and jay, that characters, unlike anything i've ever seen you play before, it's so surprising and exciting and liable no, but it's going to be one of those series. Everybody talks about its course. You're completely set in right away.

Who's that? Why is that? And you're started asking your questions as an audience member. And you know they're going to get to .

answered in the few epsom that follow, but it's when you didn't run into the first episode.

I knew I knew he is in good shape because you do like to be in bed. You good demography that was covered .

there is I was really pressing him in Scottie. I was like, you guys sure you understood .

everything me that after he asking that, after you should understand everything.

I bet, I bet it's going to be great. I have no doubt in jb, i'm going to say this too while you're well, we're in this pane. I was thinking about the breath of stuff that you ve been I ve seen about the last couple years. I was thinking about a movie that I love that doesn't get enough .

attention without, too.

No, no, no, no. Game night. Game night. So good, so good.

And then you do like identity theefe. Then you do ozark. You've done so many different things and heads off to you.

You don't get a credit. You do a lot of great shit so congrats. I'm excited for black gravity in the reason bring up because you ve been working so fucking hard. I know exhausted you, but you've been fucking .

and doing IT .

and it's very much yes, I really appreciate that listener. I apologize for all pay .

back have .

said that I know .

you couple facts.

Keep three male open .

jay I got to I I was sort of noted throwback to end um up the bomb, but know I was thinking for some reason this morning. I know why because our next guest um uh is is a fancy pants in the tony world. Shine you want to fuck in?

Tk, no, but I mean .

that's like we did spend a little time on that, but IT does keep coming back to me. That's not something they hand out. You know it's a tony is a real deal.

believe it's not lost.

It's like that's a whole different community that I just very, very you both .

will do IT and you'll be nominated .

and you .

both very amazing. I and I was even about to do hand out to a tony and shown in handy from my tony, but I did IT. I'm like, fucker, i'm not going to that because I respect you too much and I love you too much.

I can make a stupid joke and try to easy. It's too easy. It's too thin.

You know.

what else can we talk about a while, listener or listener and guest.

I got a couple of things, but we should probably.

which I get to st.

open up the list. No, I was just going to say, and the way home, I told, well, will you and I were driving home from a friend house we've visited in the hills a couple of months ago and and I told, well, disturb jai, having told you so when you go past gray stone mansion, yeah and there's a runaway .

ramp there .

yeah for yeah I .

no oh no so like .

a several years ago, I was like.

let's try that yes, i'd come on.

I sway to god I tried that and because I was like, would feel like I want to know what felt like. I didn't know what was I thought I was just like an inch of gravel was just to stop a truck, but it's like eighty feet of gravel. So when I dropped the truck, yeah, and it's supposed .

to completely absorb, like, quick sand.

I drove up IT, and I, I, I know, and I started thinking I was a cold and I got so scared I feel IT out to kick some gravel up. And I think, god, I got out there. You got out.

yeah. What car were you in your ali now .

is before that? Oh my god.

you're so lucky. Weren't the dummling next to a colonial truck by quick? And just like with hood, your hands up like had to try and sorry.

I would have loved to .

see to open up the daily mail and see pictures of you next to the tow truck and just explaining to the cup and then you have to pay because they had to come over.

All right, here we come. Guest wake IT up. Listener poly car over our next guest is one of my favorite people in the world period.

There are some people that you meet, have a connection, you become friends. The connection growth Carries through many years, many stages of your life and theirs. These people become your family. There aren't many in our lives.

So when you have, when you smile and bounce a little every moment you spend with them, and if you're like enough to work with one of these people, you end up doing a lot of smiling. So between you guys and her, my cheeks are killing me. She's one of our finance actors, and accomplish, produce her a rising director, incredible mother, wife and daughter.

She's the recipient of three academy award nominations, five tony, nine, sag. S one, one of those, a baha, eight golden globes, one two of those, and seven mi nominations, one four of those. SHE also has a doctorate from Brown and Julie are guys.

Please welcome my fake wife. But true best day. Laura lining, oh my.

And a ad dog .

in the background .

and the dog in background.

hi, nice.

This is a long time coming. Yes.

yeah. And you had to suffer through all that bulls shit. We were the time.

and I I had to earn my place.

I thought that maybe you and Jason, now it's been so long, I thought what happened?

She's tough to schedule, busy. And our deal that is a tough .

deal and I am thrilled to be here is great to see all of you.

You too. I mean, when he was going through all of those nuts like nine, but I mean, I think SHE doesn't suck.

Would you ever think about wearing .

getting A T shirt made, that hat listed, all your nomination? They just just ask me about the seven economy awards about the thing about .

is every once a while, and I don't know if you guys like this, but I have to stop and every once, well, it'll hit me and I have to remind myself because you never feel like that happen, right? I mean, you never, you know, and I been nominated a lot and I don't win all that much, but i'm nominated a lot and but every once, well, i'll be walking down the street and that will hit me. I'll be like, oh my god, yeah yeah.

Oh my god. Like sean, like a tony winner. Tony winner is amazing .

in a soft year. But ori lora, I think the thing that that keeps us all sort of grounded is and i'm looking again, pointing out that your dog is a sleep and in the background of your shot, no matter what you do know, how many nomine, no matter how accomplish somebody is, they're always likely in a room where there's a dog that sleep and doesn't give a ship yeah do you really mean yeah .

and you know the stock was a mess and know your stuff that hasn't been taken care of and i'm behind on everything and yeah, you know I have family members who are tied to make, as I haven't heard from me and so long. So there's there's all of that stuff, absolutely. Then there is, you know, the wild moment we were like, oh oh my god, I cannot believe whose my life is. Live me here. I cannot believe i've been able to do everything i've been able to.

yes. And that that you, the thing that you chose to do with your life actually paid off.

Oh my god. Come on about what .

a great writer you are too. I bet you've got some smita. You've won planning of things, but you've nominated a shit on too. So I bet there are some speech. now.

Do you keep them in a drawer? Do you remember them? Because I want to have, like a coffee table book, ones of all the unused speeches and what the ana won't be great. Yes.

the thing that I found is that you sort of you have a sense if you're in the running to win and then there are times you know like i'm not winning, there's no way i'm gonna want. So in some ways, that's that's the nicer because then you go and you get to have a good time and you're nominated, but you know you're not going to want so you have worry about i'm going to nothing because I know good.

And then there are the times when you know you're in the running for things and you do have to prepare. So I I must have been mean, I do have a few. But what would be .

interesting to go back and look at some of those, some of those unused acceptance speeches and go like I was going to think that person I would not today.

not today.

today.

go your will.

You're out of .

the will.

The winds have changed.

And so all of which is to say, um as I did say, you don't suck. You're great at what you do and I started along long time ago. Tell us about like, remember, like the first thing you saw or exposed to that made you think I think i'd like to see if I could maybe do that um was that was at a show? Was that a movie?

Was that a play? IT was the original production of vanity that was downtown at same elements, theater held church. I was when my father was a play, right? So I grew up around the theater.

So I always knew I wanted to be a part of IT in some way. I really didn't think I be an actress. I really IT took me a long time, so I get there.

But I went and saw this play. And cafe bates was in IT. Yeah, it's the three person play.

You know, it's not the greatest work of dramatic literature ever written, but and there was something about IT and being in that space in watching those three women be so wonderful. And I remember leaving, I was like, oh, i'm different. Something has changed. Yeah, so and it's the power of really .

good word teenage.

Oh, no, I was Younger, definitely Younger. Yeah yeah. I think I was a eleven .

or twelve probably oh no, that's that's really cool. All right. So then from there do you say to your dad, hey um what do you think the best first steps might be for me to to go in this .

direction or how did what en my father uh was in a prentice at a at a theater um in new london, new hampshire called the the barne playhouse yeah in the london barne playhouse. And I used to spend the summers with my dad. My parents split when I was very Young, so I would spend your time with my dad during the summers and I begged him to let me go work there begin um so I went and I was a technical apprentice and I broke every child labor and I was there black forted oh yeah know making a mess and doing all sorts of stuff and and being way too Young to be doing what I was doing.

But if everybody .

hold up and you referring a lot .

of hookup.

yeah, yeah, absolutely.

But then what about the first time you ve got on stage and likes risk, you know, look at me. Let's see if I got IT. yeah.

IT was a production. IT was a Christmas show at school.

How wait with school.

how I, I, I was really Young. I was middle school, and I was the same year that ms. Magazine came out. So we .

did one.

right? That's right. We did that a feminist turn.

We did a feminist turn on santa laws, where santa got a cold and mr. Claws had to take over. So I was that, was that?

Oh.

I remember the first one of the first things I ever saw that made me, wow, I was like, twelve years old and I saw a corus line. And I was thought how how different my life would be if i'd only seen as sooner, like at five, six, seven, eight.

you .

like the seven, is that you?

So then all right now we get, we get, you are you start going and you start building up the moment um and then you end up you end up IT. But now does does Brown really kind of formalize your your your leap into this into this world? Or or was IT a Juliet?

I will I think probably Brown. I was more at sort of an academic, the other nerd. So I studied theater history and all that sort of fun stuff. And and then and then july was where I got serious.

yeah. And the first sort of job that expose you to the world would be, I was the understudy .

in a production of six degrees of separation, which was right across the street of linking center one. And I was actually at that theater yesterday watching hall and Taylor in na. So IT was IT was fun.

Every time I go in that that space is, you know, it's professionally where where I started. So why? Wow, I was the happiest.

I was the happiest understudy around. There were other, this room of understudies who were like, hello, yeah, hi kid, how you do. And y've been understudies for years, and I would bounce in. Happiest can be. And I would sit in the catwalk and watch the show .

that's up top, that's over overlooking.

yeah yeah, where the lights are. We would sneak up there and watch, just to watch stocker chaining get Better and Better and Better, Better and Better. And there was one night I remember Katherine helper and came to see the show up, and I was in the catwalk watching Catherine helper and watch .

stocker chain and buy yourself for you with somebody in the cat walk.

I think they have .

a good i've .

never heard that before that you you're up by yourself and a link and center a teenager Young .

know this was after july so I was early mid twenty yeah and because I had done stock and was .

a technical apprentices new how to get up you there like enjoy.

I in high school is to hang out up there and when there's no show, we were just .

go up there.

Probably it's probably .

sweet depression. But law like that occurs to me that you you were so like you had no choice but to do this life that you chose or IT shows you little bit because he was such a Young age and IT just that was your life you were around you in summer stock. You're at the thing you're dad and IT was angry with all around you, you wouldn't know .

and got IT worked out and god.

I love IT as much as I love as I love .

we do more hour or less.

Oh, I think I think more because the longer i'm in at the like a new set of problem sort of unlock themselves, it's like i've earned the right to a new set of problems. And so IT just keeps going and .

and talk about the big thing.

You still enjoy that. Yeah, I do that. But how insane that no one has any idea.

Most difficult time in .

the world and believable. And that type of fatigue is a very specific fatigue.

Well, the plus in the one woman shows you've .

been doing to like, yeah, that was the .

nowhere to hide in one woman show.

yeah, I know. And I did a three times now I did IT. I did IT once in london. This was that I shown up. My name is Lucy barton.

And then I did IT again in london to see if that would get easier, because my first run wasn't that long. I was like, if IT comes to new york, will IT get easier. And what I learned to know, IT does not get easier.

So, yeah, yeah, yeah.

So so you get all this incredible training, a truly yard, and then you come out into, let's say, show biz, what were the biggest chAllenges coming out of that and into this into a .

professional situation.

You mean yeah yeah that's less sort of protected in sort of this know theater world and technique and study and culture and entering more of a sort of a business.

Yeah, you have to learn how to translate what you've learned into an appropriate setting.

You an you mean camera versus stage? Well, there's that.

But then also just on stage, I mean, there's like going to school is very different than being in the profession. And going to school is there's a certain type of concentration and there's a certain ability to get things done in and you have to learn how to translate that. So you're still doing what you're doing, but that is appropriate for the situation that you're in. No one wants to hear about your process when they're working, right? No one wants to hear .

about delivery.

Loves that. Actually, you got, I remember because I did .

IT with him on teenage .

and eternals AAAA.

I was like.

you know, decisions.

try the turtle.

I think the turtle is going too fast, realistic. But what about how about like going away from this sort of you going into much more of a world of now I ve got to make a living doing this and how do those two things reconcile?

Ah you know you just sort of throw yourself in IT and you just hope to god it's gonna OK, right you know and you wait tables yeah and you just to keep at IT and so that's right.

I wouldn't be bad.

I don't think .

of you any good. I wouldn't be good .

at IT because you'd have to touch things. You have to touch other people's food, and that would not go terribly well for you. I don't people who know you.

you be awful.

I could deliver the food. I don't think I could clean up afterwards. You know, like when they take you pencils and they gather .

them in the middle of plate.

you have to touch them. You i'd be .

so glad that I don't think so .

will be right back.

All right, back to the show.

I have to ask you, love is going to wait till the end end.

but i'm going .

to ask you, now you you must step like a classic, something that went horribly.

Lord.

you can come back to IT.

Now we can come back to IT because .

he doesn't.

He wants a good one.

I love me.

They are the funny stories. They are the funny stories.

Guess he was that they .

didn't.

It's usually the good stories usually happen when you're in a show that's really bad yeah really bad of which i've been in several and it's so painful and you really think you're gonna rip the skin off your body just just to get out of the embarrassment .

in the humiliation of IT. What about Laura? What about is there any show that you did that? You know, I mean, no, any of a stage show that you did, we're and not to make anybody feel bad, but that you thought this is gonna be the thing, and I just didn't click with audiences.

No, you sort of know, you gonna know if it's really bad, kind of know, you know, it's the ones where you think, like, oh, this is right on the edge. I don't know. I don't think this is terrible.

I think it's pretty good. I don't know how good IT is. You never know how good IT is, but you know how bad IT is.

That's something something you can't .

run away from.

That makes sense. Then conversely, ly was ever what was the thing that you thought people will like this? But you were surprised how well IT resonate with people. I think, well.

I did a production of the crucible a long time with leamy son that that Arthur Miller was actually involved in. And before I accepted the job, I know I was offered goody proper. And I found for fuxi who wants to do the crucible? Ah, yes, you know, eat buckle shoes and the old people.

Now for god's c and I called my dad and I was like, i've been offered goody proper and I don't know, I don't know. I I think he was like, oh no, he was like, you do that. You must do that. He's like, IT is a great play and it's only because we've all seen nine hour high school productions of that play that it's sort of you is badly represent um not that IT shouldn't be done there IT should but you know you don't realize how great that players and I had no idea what a masterpiece that thing was a masterpiece yeah and then you .

had you incredible audiences for that, i'm sure and that sort of was that a bit of a rocket fuel um in india careers for us uh, things that followed that I mean, can can you identify a cur job or moment where IT felt different to you like, oh, the next few years might be a little bit easier than the last few?

No, i've never been someone who feels a big boost from any one job. I really happened. I think it's been very subtle and consistent, and i'll take that. Thank you. I mean.

that's fine by me just for me just as as as an audience member, I would say you'd hit my rate are significantly three separate times um early on with mystic rivers in the whale. And you can count on me like those were big, big moves for me just as a just as a fan.

It's because different people have different things. Some people there's the love actually crowd. There's yes, the the movie crowd there, the class crowd, there's the theater people so it's sort of always interesting the john Adams people .

yeah I mean you conquer at all. I really .

when you hear there was .

credit to go like holy shit ah right and they're so very ad bit before and actually shown to if you think about you icm, you've done you want a tony I mean.

these are though I have not want a tony on the tony .

SHE did no, no without question .

he wa .

yeah what was a very quiet but yeah do you. But you did so many things that were like, worked on so many different levels. And you think about osage, or you can count me, which I love, I, me.

we love. Ki, or again, that was that your first name? Was that first Oscar economy? Remember that I remember in home, I was so blown away, of course, everything before that, but that movie really had an impact. I mean, you especially, I was just, that's when I first was like, oh my god, god, to find out more about this person.

And I just thought there was this. They did a twenty five year like fund raiser thing and and I had I don't like to watch myself as Jason knows.

I know I just don't get IT why would you .

treat yourself to IT? So I went and saw that I won't watched IT for the first time in twenty five years. I think I maybe the only seen in at once. And IT was so wild. And Jason, I don't know you feel this way when you look at stuff from a long time ago.

but I saw things in myself.

Well, I saw things in myself that don't exist anymore yeah, there are parts of me that are just from another time that because of age or where I was or the relationship I was in, parents and dynamics and yeah and all that's gone. And then I could also see the things that that I recognize you that is still there. So IT was a wild .

thing to their time capture, kind of of that .

moment in your life. We had ruffle on, and he talked, he talked really lovingly about what we got the role and you can in his collaboration with with canon grant, IT all still does. Does IT all still sit fondly for you? Was that, was that as greatest experience as IT seemed like IT was.

IT was a very tough shoot. You know, they had like two cents. So we were sitting outside, and then we had to clean out.

And finally I was like, guys, we need a place to sit. Like, I can't sit outside. I can't change outside. Like, I need a place.

And so and behind the house where we were filming, there was a chicken coup that literally the chickens have left like two day's prior. I mean, I was like, you know, chicken shit was like hanging in the cobwebs, and I was like, a perfect. So I went and we cleaned IT up, and we all SAT in the chicken hooo. That's great. So IT IT was very rough and tumble um but you know IT IT bounded solve for life, I mean markets literally like my brother and you know Candy I are still close and you know all of us are sort of bond and that's the thing about what we get to do you know the connections that you make yeah just in vein you know are deep and meaningful and and very very you know um significance in your life.

It's about yeah and .

you do develop chosen family along the way and it's really it's one of the greatest things do .

end up spending more time with people on set and you do your your at home when working on something. It's twelve hours yeah i'd love is true and show .

this not is about true and show lower that you bring up about this about like it's being sort of a different life in a different parts of you that can go away. I was talking about this recently with somebody an interesting thing. As you get older, when you start to recognize that.

oh yes, when you was literally have a history, yes, like you have a history, you have different periods of your life that you've been for, not just one, not too, but many. And IT is yes.

think yes. You know, last night it's getting I went on to youtube abb house of opening the opening songs to old shows from seven. And we did silver spoons we .

looked into today, yeah.

yeah, all those dukes of hazard, like facts of life, dallas.

all that I want your life, I D really love to come back, as you shown. I mean, this is how we feel nights. We go over that.

watching these openings of these shows and me right back to bring a kit like you something clicks in your brain whether you ah where are you Jones, yes, all those and I I didn't remember like the second I saw them, I actually had the feeling of a moment like you set up a stage in my life which you don't sit around, think about until something trigger .

IT no you know all right so now you've got you know I you you tell these these thing dung um about this this great super romantic story of you and mark meeting each other and in one of the most magical places in the world and I just she's got two incredible dudes in her life, her son and her husband um are you go you go ahead so so there .

you are OK so here I I am. I ve been very, very single for five years or so, and i'm invited to the telly e ride film festival where i've there are two films screening there. And I think, oh, you know what, i've never taken my mother anywhere.

I should take my mother to this. This will be good. I mean, going to fly and fly out, terrific. So I bring my mother .

the great go.

And you know, sometimes you prepared with a know, a liaison who is a little, you know, excentric, sometimes those people can be a little out there. And Marks are a bounded up to us and say, hi, mark hour, i'll be taking care of for the weekend. And I was like, oh, okay, like a nice, a nice person, okay? And we spent the weekend together.

And I can remember we were waiting to go to a screening and we were waiting for bill on and my director to come downstairs and join us so that we could leave. And I remember, I turned my head and I looked at mark, and I was like, am I attracted to this person? Am I attracted to my hand? Dlr at the telly ride film as well. I was like, I was like, calm down, like how wonderful I was feeling anything at all.

I was like, got the title .

of handler that's, know I and I thought, you know, i'm going to be gone in twenty four hours. Just be happy you're still alive and get out and you know, my mother, my mother was with me. So there wasn't a whole lot.

no, where you're collaborating with her on this. Did you did you ask her?

What take is? No, no, no, no. My mother, on the way to the airport, he was mark, are you involved with anyone now? At at which point I wanted to fall into the center of the earth, center of the earth. And he was like, no, actually i've been single for a bit. He was, oh, how interesting.

So so I .

left and we ended up, mark, I ended up just emAiling each other. I just thank you and I had a great time and and we emails sort of started to fly. And then he started to get a little nervous.

He was like, I don't understand what's going on. And I immediately called. I said, look, I don't know what this is. I have no idea what this is. I don't know for friends, I don't know. It's more, the only thing I know is I don't want to let you go, so I don't know what to tell you and he goes, well, when can we spend some time together and I said why I said on a tour, a press tour, when I used to do that and he goes, where where you're gonna I said, I was in chicago.

He's like, i'm from chicago when chicago no boy and I was, uh, well, this day he goes, I meet when chicago at which point I got very nervous, very scared and tried to get out of IT several times. And I can remember going down the elevator in chicago to meet him in the lobby, just terrified like, what am I doing? What in the world am .

I doing this?

Is god someone? I.

what is this point? You had been on a date in quite some time?

Yes, no. Is that so when you say you're scared, is that what you mean? You're like scared. Like I don't know how to do the day.

I just I didn't know, you know, this is killing .

what doing? I .

don't know .

anything weird .

I did. Did did he live and tell you right at that time? Yes.

he said he had to. He drove a friend's car, which he had to drop off. Anyway, he was .

doing a favor for a friend, and he just made IT work, put the.

Back, I got out of the elevator and I turned and I saw him there. And like every fear evaporated, I was like, oh, this is going to be fine. This is gonna OK. And that .

amazing how you people's faces really?

yes. Like, there is .

just a chemical.

Yeah, like you like, oh, 哦， okay.

this was how many years ago?

Oh my god. And eighteen, twenty, two thousand. And four years ago, yes.

How old this bit? Now, your son, ten? Yes.

that child, I know.

So everybody go to film festivals, that's all. Yes.

tell you right? Is imagine place IT is just go.

go, go.

go is a great, you know what? That's a really nice story.

Yeah, just enough to do any swiping and nothing like that, although wiping is is very nice. Here are here easy magine. Now, bennet, showing any interest .

in no, and refuses to watch anything i've ever done. I mean, I made, I made teenage mutant general specifically for him, because anything else would emotionally damaged. Chairman sort the life? No, wouldn't see. IT refuses.

What refuses? Does he explain what? What his problem is? Because my kids do, they are just like it's just weird, you know and they don't like when something bad happens to me, like they can't deal with like any sort of pain or even any sort like chAllenge, like running from someone or something like that. Rabbit.

I agree with you. Should I seen the pilot and I I knew I was gonna be no, listen, I knew I was gonna be good, but I had, I was flawed by .

how brad .

IT was.

And the a that the thing that is amazing when you have a relationship with someone who you ve worked with for a long period time and you watch them grow, yeah and to see Jason turn into this unbelievable director, I mean, always great. But this is a whole other level. And I i've said this to him IT was absolutely I I was on done .

when I saw, yes.

there is A I want to say this too, I agree with we mentioned before, and I want to embrace gb. But it's also very confusing to watch somebody, your friend, some you love and grow while some tani sly, they are shrinking. Yes, that has been to atrophy.

Yeah, yes, i'm playing A G.

I, O. I saw J, B at the pool at a house two days ago. I came over two days .

in a row. How do you.

Now speaking of directing law came came in heroically and agreed to direct episode three and episode for a Better rabbit. Been and SHE crushed this so hard. Not he was. Haven't seen IT .

when I I was there .

for every single day, and i've seen the day i've seen the steals ex etra but know I knew he was going to be an incredible leader on set as far as just like this culture of friendship, ss and kindness and support all that stuff like the crude just freaking love her as to the cast but her comfort with all this added responsibility like is actually not to be little acting at all.

But actors simply are kind of insulated from uh you know like almost three quarters of the process because things need to be decided on and set up and and assets need to be put in emotion and ea, then the actors come in and do their magical thing. SHE took on all of that had only done at once before. On azar directed one of our best episode ever.

And I SHE was her place is about three blocks from our studio and I said, hey, it's it's real close. Uh, IT is not terrible stuff. There's a good crew.

There's a good cast. We would love to have you. We please consider IT. And IT would have been so easy for her to say no and so much free time is.

let me ask you this, and you don't have to pat yourself on the back, but isn't IT a gift to have been an actor and then a .

director without a doubt? And and also like, but I really I can't emphasize enough how I would never have done this unless j and really pushed me to do IT ever. I had no desire to do IT.

none. I I would A I didn't want to be one of those like, you know, idiot directors who you are settled with who didn't know what they were doing. I didn't want to be one of those people.

You're looking at J, B.

where you're looking at, yes, stand.

And and also I didn't want to separate ze my relationship with j son yeah ah I mean that's another thing.

Yes, that horse left to born on o did such an incredible job .

on an episode but still I don't think of my myself as a director at all. I think of myself as as an actor who's directed a few things now. But, you know, I don't know, as I said to Jason, like, I don't know how to thank him for that. How do you thank someone for giving you .

a whole other sort all the time? But what about now? Do you do you say i'm going to get you talk you casually about this, not going to get you on record? What part of your life going forward do you see directing being in like what's our ratio going forward?

I mean, as you you talk a little bit earlier about how the roles you kind of implied this, that the roles get Better and Better the old we get because they're more complicated, they are more nuance to you're drawing on more from yourself. So the acting m sure won't low down, but there is time to do the directing as well. Did you did you get enough of a chAllenge and satisfaction from IT to make .

IT a bigger party life? You know, I think I will go with that the way I have gone with the other stuff, which is if IT comes my way or there's something I find or if there's something I want to do, then i'll do IT.

But will you tell your .

people to look I think they will look at .

what is IT done for you is an actor um how has directing this much? Now change has IT change the way. But yeah but no. But do you think it's going to change the way that you approach, that you approach the world now that you approach material not to get into process? But just like when you when you're reading material, do you look at the difference .

at A S little bit, you know have to see because the osage which I did was such as a left and sort I my head was spending the whole time and yeah no, I just didn't know what had happened and then this one was so intense in the best way. And so all consumed literally. We we finished on thursday.

I just got out of bed this morning. Yeah I mean, he took me like three days. The fatigue is a whole other level .

of fatigue down still is .

you know so um you so i'll be really curious to see what that does. Hopefully we will make me a Better actress. I mean, that's the that's that's the hope.

Did you take more out of you than doing a one woman show A S away?

Are you have to do with any people? I didn't have to deal with anybody, was just me. I only had to deal with my own horrible stuff, but I didn't have to deal with, you know, two hundred .

people and four thousand questions. yeah.

Do do you have you don't have to reveal any names, anything. I mean, what's the thing that you've find difficult in any working relationship, something that gets you that you first of all, that you won't stand for or a second that really kind of rub in the wrong way and you look out for to avoid?

I I think it's always hard when people have a preconceived notion of what something is supposed to be. yes. And then you come and you see something very different or you see something way beyond that.

And it's and that is always A A painful negotiation for everybody. And I understand from the other point of you like why that would be hard. I totally, totally get IT and we were very lucky on this one. You know how amazing all these riders were and all that stuff. Um i've seen that from the acting standpoint as well. I've really seen IT more as an actress like people don't see what I can just see things very clearly sometimes and it's I, I, I turned to these people that go but you wrote this yeah, i'm just doing what you wrote like whether you are aware of that or not.

you wrote this. yeah. right? You know? right? Right.

right.

We'll be right back.

And now back .

to the show.

Now you you've been jens on screen wife for many years.

You are, yes.

lucked, lucky, yes. What what is IT? What's something about Jason statement .

that people might not know about going dior's?

What what is something that janie does this kind of unique that you've noticed about him like a cook?

Here's here's one thing I think why our friendship is so you fulfilling for me at least and and why working is so good as we were completely differently, 是 we come from totally different cultures， completely different. And um I love watching him work. It's just kind of amazing and I can only that sort of work can only happen. And now I believe as well the directing is is benefiting from this as well from someone who's been doing IT as long as jin's been doing. I mean, it's in his bones in a way that IT will never be with most people.

He's just now had the time with that.

And and one is true, he needs .

vera chee. No.

but this is probably what we lead to our divorce is it's too much work. It's a work aholic. It's a man and I talk about all the time. He he doesn't doesn't tell me not too. But she's just like she's asking me this morning to we're talking about the other things she's like is that if you were to direct that, is that all consuming? I like IT always.

you know, but that's that's .

why it's why we love IT. Could we get AManda .

on here at some point? Two, do you think .

talk .

about the a and then we're working your way to end your real wife into having .

a man on me to go .

around the circle. The next one will be partner will, or an x or something like that shown you as well. Well, will take turns. It'll just be sort of just like a rotating blood back.

Oh my god. Well.

you started to test the waters with me. I'm sort of, yeah yeah you know, clothes you'll get at this point what .

you do to zone out after you've been working fourteen hours and you're done directing something like bad or a big play .

or something I got to bed. Yeah no. I mean, honestly, there's not a whole lot that happens.

I mean, we going to do this week. You're not you finished that show last week. Now like this week is your recuperate?

Are you going to yoga? You going to polities? Are you going to do? No, kim, no, no.

I'm staring at .

all of the wall.

I'm going to stare at the wall. Yeah, i'm going to be really quiet, really quiet.

right yet your quiet activity is reading, watching bad reality. T, V.

occasionally.

guilty. You need anything, know?

Um, I just picked up, god, what's a cold? I won't leave you. Do not leave me off for you for right but I was reading vigorous ly until until black rabbit happens. yeah. Ah, I fell apart and then .

you start eating week right?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. yes. But tomorrow, tomorrow, tomorrow is is one of the things I read last year which I just still and floured by really if tomorrow, tomorrow and tomorrow it's wonderful and wonder fiction um .

spectacular thilan .

no it's about three friends who who make video games. It's a world I know nothing about, don't care about. And boy, this book is glorious. It's so beauty, just, it's very .

beautiful. I think already.

i'm sure they are ready taken. Also, the living ist is really good. I D I T do IT. Yes, very, very good. yeah. So you can .

join my book club. I'll send you some recommended right now that and willing .

on the painter .

William to there's Silvia .

biography that everybody loves, right?

What if would you, if you run an actor or director, what do you think you would do? You had to do not, not where you would have possibly hit, hit a left fork instead of a right fork early on. But like today, if you had to pick a different career, what do you think you're best suited for right now? Like, would you, would you write books? Would you would you teach a Juliet.

I think.

mean, yes, really, I like .

a doctor. Yeah.

yeah. Do you love medical stuff? And like, I can't get enough of IT?

yeah. No, I do.

I like to know people's issues.

how they IT. And I wordly know things like, how do I know what a parapara um is? Why do I know that?

But I I could see you working with people, maybe medicine and maybe teaching, maybe doing something you have such and want to say that you have such a kind smile. yeah. And you really do.

But but you know, all the way through ozark every weekend, almost SHE would be flying off to give some sort because of her show the big sea, which was uh center around cancer. Um yes, um he would give these speeches to uh correct Miller um patients, uh doctors um medico n institutions um recovery homes um SHE just delivered these speeches about the the will to live in the joy of life for how to deal with grief. Ec, uh, you'd write these things and you'd fly across the country with your weekends of to talk to these people and booy them. I just I don't .

like like my love.

Yeah and I sort of use IT also as a way for art africa. Y yes, which is just to talk about the art as much as I can, anywhere I can yeah as long as I can ah because it's .

it's so important like she's not sitting at home sappy and is god I but .

first out because but I just think it's like you're .

gonna cut lines upstairs after you're done with all this age or work. No, where does IT come from, mom, dad.

I don't know. I think I like people, and I think I, you know, and I love the arts. I love the arts. I think I think like more than just like a selfish thing. I I think it's unbelievably important for culture and .

more I couldn't. IT is so undervalued, it's unbelievable medicinal.

You cannot there is no waste time when you were engaged with the arts. IT will make everything Better. I mean.

it's so a good at a time when the brain is growing too. So with the work that you do a Julia too and kids, I mean, they're they're not todd's anymore. There are Young adults, yes, but I imagine that work for you is super fulfilling.

Remember what your role is currently there? A july? yeah. Tell, tell. Tracing was going on what you do in their Juliet and what Juliet is for Tracy.

Julia is a arts conservatory school, which is through of one of the deleting schools in the country that teaches music, Opera, dance, drama. Therefore, apart at lincoln center .

d across the street .

from lincoln centres to Julia art school is there. IT has a long, illustrious history. I somehow, by the Grace of god, got in there. And, you know, people will ask, like, what was your big break? And for me, I was getting into that school hands down, hands down.

So I was there for four years and about fifteen to eighteen years ago they called and ask me to give the uh the the commencement speech, which I did. And they also invited me to join the board of the school, which I did. I was the only I think there were only two artists on the board at that time. And i've been on IT now for a long time, and i'm an advice chair for .

a limited period time.

So so i'm very involved there and seeing like what uh institutions like Julia are, what they do, how they do IT, why they do IT and the you know the the chAllenges that are facing Young artists today yeah so and also I try to when I have the time, I try to mentor the the outgoing class, I will go in and talk to students cell, take them out to lunch shall know sometimes I can do IT and sometimes I can't.

What what is the biggest chAllenge law for, you know, Young aspiring actors today? What do you think that biggest chAllenges? Yeah.

yeah, I mean, it's impossible. I me, and which is why july arts making such a concerted effort to go tuition free. You know, it's why a lot of schools are because we train these artists at this very, very high level. They leave and then they can support themselves, and then they drop out and we lose them, right?

Do you spend? Do you spend a lot of time raising money or working with people are working with groups to try to raise money for the school. Are you guys dealing with high network individual, these people that you need, these patrons as they were, who? Some of them, I am sure some of that tough, but you need that, right? You need to have these people in order to keep IT running.

yes. The Angel people, yes. And then you need the small donations as well. You need people just involved. You need people who just to care about the own, your pocket book.

For one.

I just did a whole new winter wards. Be I it's din right .

now OK you look .

a lot away.

He needs a new clothes.

Just got back from paris.

He goes, tell me something you've seen that that you love recent t before.

before we leave the juilliard thing in speaking of Angel people. So largest continues to blow my mind. So we have this Young actor on the show.

His name is Robert allies, a common he is. He was going to Juliet. He got cast in the show.

He was working on a day. This is a month ago when Julia graduation was happening. He had done is four years of Juliet.

It's it's incredible to graduate from Juliet. But he was scheduled to work on that day. Partly my fault, I was directing, but Laura was prepping her episodes coming. And so he was, he was around the set.

And what he decided to do as a big shot of Julia ard was to grab his diploma, grab his captain down, right? This long speech, an incredible speech that one would receive if they were luck enough to be at their ceremony when they're graduate. But he couldn't because he had to be looking on set.

SHE asked me, SHE could stop production for about five or ten minutes, bringing a cake, do the whole thing, gather the whole crew. And SHE delivered the speech, and SHE put on the graduation music and everything. This, this kid, the greatest, greatest guy, was so bowled over, as was the whole crew and cats. And SHE SHE presented him with this diplomat and full graduation ceremony right there on set .

after .

four years of jilly yard like IT was.

Has that idea really, really.

it's their moments in your life, their big moments that need to be recognized. And you know you i've been through, I know what IT is to go through july guard. I know what IT is to graduate from that school to feel like you you know you've done something.

No, god, what's gonna happen now? And you've done IT with an ensemble of people. And for killed me that he was not going to be with his.

He didn't tell anybody on set, didn't not mention that to anybody that he .

was missing a great my news. I went on like, are you okay about and he was so good nature about IT. He was so happy to be there.

He was like, i'm fine, i'm fine. And I I just couldn't I couldn't standard. So I then Jason was kind and up to let me sort of hydrate set for a bit.

So IT was fun. IT was the performance of being at a graduation doesn't come close to doing the thing that .

you graduated to, right? And didn't. And he didn't matter that he had to move that day, that he had to shoot that day because they had a golf game on on the other day.

Now, shan, was your question that I see.

I always interesting what people are watching recently that you like to recommences .

documentary moving too.

I just see one thing I want .

to talk about alone before we get out of the julio's of what can people do to support the arts wherever they live, whatever anybody is like, what would be a really important thing that people who listen our podcast could do to try to help Young people get involved .

in the ARM vote for democratic ticket?

Well, apart from that, but what can people do honestly, Laura, go I mean.

I think I just .

thought I was a really good .

suggestion. Sans got that update on this IOS where if you double thumbs up these these fireworks .

um you know I think it's go find something in your community that is there. Go with your family, have a communal experience .

and off your .

phone and see what happens.

Yeah, yes, you know, here, here's a big name dropping moment. But every all be said to .

me one time he was.

I know he said, he said, listen to book for ten minutes every morning he says, IT organizes the mind and he's right. And so I tell you, when I give these speeches around the country, I tell people, like, try IT for two weeks. See what happens, just ten minutes.

And Jason, you know, because you love classical music, you know that it's IT does IT permeate your being and IT realize you and away music does m and shine. You know this as well. You know, it's a powerful thing.

The arts and and I think it's the most underused resource we have, or one of them in this country. I and IT makes me crazy that our government has never really leaned into that yeah you know to be to accept now our certain general is is using IT for mental health. You know he's encouraging people to get involved yeah there's .

probably a lot less violence in the world. I know that's a crazy thing to say. Like if if people if more people exposed to the art.

absolutely and graduation rates just sky rocket, if the kid is is involved in the arts, yeah, it's just sky rocket and there's always something somewhere and you don't have to be good at IT. We don't have to be an artist .

yourself exposed. Well, he's talking about but starting to paint he's going to starting painting a bit.

I can do stick figures. I mean.

and we're not expecting more .

than that from where i'm going be showing anything.

Yes, yes, you for this Christmas, all I I was talking .

about of this morning actually but I think .

it's .

like grab grab someone you love for, grab someone you like and go and have an experience and just see, see what happens.

I grabbed somebody elected to stop and shop.

I didn't know what happens.

Check out the daily mail. wait. So this to you were talking about alone. You love alone .

like jb and yeah just started .

watched because of, well, yeah.

yeah I know it's intense as I mean, I I love the guys who go and this is early. First you see the really tough guys. You're absolutely to crush IT. And they're gone in two hours.

First rustle in the waves.

They're like a tapping out. I'm tapping out. I'm tapping out. And I think that would be me. I wouldn't for two seconds, I tap up .

before they land the hello yes.

celebrity alone would be polarize.

I'd be tapping out when I connecting flights in mini.

I think up on my manager on the phone call.

the .

request, the greatly initiation would would get the hang out.

I love like the the the places they built for themselves. Yeah, no, no, that was hot.

And that I just sort of it's like just naked and afraid and like, can I just heighten there a little bit?

Yeah, yeah. And I also love like these poor people terming themselves at the same time.

I part of I like .

when they build a great house, like when a guy there is a guy wants to one of those seasons up in the northwest territories in canada, built like this stone house with moss. And like, yeah and then and then got .

they got to rip IT down when they leave. Now they do that little time lap saying when IT all goes no, Laura, we're over. We're over time.

You will be compensated checks in the mail. We love you. I love .

you most. Always been to love all three of .

you and know i've been lucky enough to work with two of you and Shawn, where do?

Yes.

I figure that out. And thanks to .

love you. I'll seeing a few days they hide a market. Benet, go for your dog.

Love the family. Wake up. Okay.

bay, thank you. bye. Well, that was lovely. IT was painful for me. That was a lot of a lot of a lot of love to receive. I'm not good at that.

But the what .

you doing Better you doing she's know she's I love if if you could pick a second wife, SHE would be IT.

Well, imagine if IT wasn't her. I mean, I was her for a reason. You know, the guys really connected, and I can't imagine anybody else playing that part.

I am, I still remember the day I, I SHE was the first person I went to on ozark. I took her out to breakfast at this restaurant. At the point of of this hotel I was singing in new york was there are scouting, I think, and and we share a manager or intitial and and I said, and I said, you think lord would ever consider doing a shell again and she's like, we should just talked her just, you know, and I matter that restaurant and just pitched her for an hour a half and was really nervous about even the possibility of her saying yes or no. I just was such a big swing because I knew by having around the show, not only what IT would you be an incredible actor on IT, but what he would sort of signal to the audience into the community in in the business about what the show is and what the show isn't like, just such a great recruiter of high quality people and and a declaration of of sort of the quality we're kind of shooting for um and IT was just such a gift that he said, yes, I the show would never would have happened without her yes.

I mean, I can't imagine I can't imagine anybody else doing .

that part yeah so lucky um and what a .

great guest yeah she's I always been such a massive fan like she's an actor's actor and and we look at you, look at her body and you .

crazy I love that .

he was here and by the way, long time coming yes exactly.

Yeah that was. I mean, I remember talking to IT when we first got started. Um we were still doing ozark right yeah yeah right at the end of .

all I mean, for a year right now.

yeah I remember talking to her. Yeah I remember her or just looking at me like I could just send he was kind of looking at like you're doing what every week or what yeah yeah um and then yeah you say but you know some people are talking to me that parents they've listen to your podcast or something that the people are liking IT my god you got to on you go on and you like.

yeah well I was is nice to know here you go IT was nice .

to know you're just telling .

us this .

is a good be you know just be a terrible merger on the freeway .

as there comes in doing one hundred and twenty miles an hour or or doing thirty miles an our slam on the brakes.

But no, I just did it's nice that SHE said directing, but he definitely didn't say that to act.

For the fucking fuck dude, who you should.

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