"Jude Law"
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Hey, good morning, everybody. How's everybody doing?

Real good. What a nicely. Well, you're storing a little bit. Last night I had turned you .

over a couple of times. No, cos .

on, but I love that extra supersize Charles and chocolate factory bed.

We got be honest, what was the camera?

Because I noticed a camera. I anyway .

list to a podcast. I welcome the smart list.

How's everybody doing?

I'm great. I haven't .

even had a chance to open up my breakfast bar. Yeah, this is the, this is pop, Stephen. No junk raw protein bars, which are real keen on. And my address you can find in the chat.

please. Okay.

I have. You guys had your breakfast yet?

I have. I have not to something.

What do you have? Well, I had one cup of open al made with water and some barriers.

Do they let you out for an hour exercise every day?

Yes, yeah. I had a few barriers with IT, and then a drizzle of maple syrup, pure maple serb.

I for taste rizal ever again.

yeah. And and then I had five scramble eggs.

Jesus, my chest hurts.

Five eggs is not Better for you.

You know, I think there was one report that's the eggs are not collect al problems anymore and i'd love that report as much as you do, but i'd love to hear a second.

My doctor told me that so if you .

found online.

put in this way, what's your classroom? What's mine? You're the one who would like, eat all the ship and what's .

yours and what's mind my cluster family?

Yeah yes.

ninety.

I will tell you I just had one of those four body scans yeah and no brain .

yeah in .

completely empty. We thank .

you for a second. It's just one one microchip up there.

They said, if not, there's no heart. They just found a box with a picture of a heart in IT. no. So did you get the results back?

Yes, thank you. The results were fine. No, so good. Everything is fantastic. And um yeah i'm very pleased because you know you never know what those things you could get. okay. So your appointment to review your scan results the tomorrow with three so tomorrow three o clock am .

going to find out if i've got something i've got IT. You'd actually like to do this in person. That team needs to b to you yeah hey Jason, can you clear your schedule for the next four months?

And you have a wife, girlfriend, best friend, something that we can may be .

drive you religious at all because we ve got a guy here. I, it's a real .

we were talking about you, me. Well, the other day you were like, I don't know. I mean, you want to know, what do you want?

I like you. I do if it's good news. And thank god IT IT was good.

So did you get the show? You get the single vaccine?

I did. I did. Yeah, yeah. Have you really?

I have not half.

You must have you had.

no, what is that? If you've had chicken pox, you're suspect table to .

singles advice or live in. You haven't .

had chicken house. good. You don't need the the.

I think I don't know, don't get medical advice from this show.

exactly. Channel everybody. yeah.

How often, how often would you say in any given week do you have a conversation at least with a doctor?

Oh, not on a weekly basis, for sure.

So it's .

at least once we at least one.

Why cause you're concerned or you just want to stay ahead.

I want to be one of those people that catch something before that happens.

right? So you you just workshop things that could go wrong with you and what to do to be ready.

That's right.

You ever thought about just live in in life and enjoying IT?

I'll take photos of shit and text and alledge .

you can zip into a bubble maybe, you know, and just kind of have Scotty roll .

around from a room to room. Yeah, i'm not above IT. I'll do that.

You know what though? And we retell her Anastasia tracing menu. I think IT dinner last week got.

I could go for some .

prophetic now I have, wouldn't be great. And we were talking .

about how do you isn't IT faster?

How did somebody discovered?

Do you test that bring close to this possible?

Getting that just right was probably chAllenging. That's too much. We've lost them, yes, or too little. You can see them screaming as the amputate. The rest, unbelievable.

Well, tell you, when you don't want some proper falls, when our guests is performing create because you want to be wide, do you want to be right awake for this persons work? And I thought you millions of people have been wide awake watching this guy. He's been, i'm going to say this, he's been dazzling people for a long time. His father cup of you, well.

is the blame.

I just say, Jason, you might want to be careful because this person knows a lot of your top secrets, okay? This person knows poppa. This person knows a lot of the stuff that you ve popup been up to, especially recently, because this person is is somebody who has been in and out of your world. I'll just say this. This is, again, I always feel like with my guess, it's hard to start now you know, naming their credit because you're just going to you and me, you're going to go why .

this person, I guess, that you say I know this .

person you do and they could be your best because I wanted to kind of surprise you. H, because this is somebody who has is body who's been doing this is somebody who's been doing the kinds of films that we, jay, that this is the kind of thing for you that fit in like they're doing the kind of thing that the task makers like, and like all those .

kind of words that you like a staying.

I know, because there are films in there. This is something you have been nominated for, academy awards, golden global wards. But does Olivia awards?

He's done television, he's played, the pope. He's played. He's been in your lock homes has been he's been to tell to mr. The hay.

And I was want .

to get to and his Jason's coaster and collaborator on black ground.

but is good life.

Good morning, my friend. Good morning. And he should be your guest. But I wanted him because wanted to surprise you. Jb, with your, with your guy.

this is great. Guys, get ready. Get ready to just fall in love and clear out. Make room for a new best friend. There's really a jude, first of all, welcome. There's just just nobody i'm more excited about as a as a new person in my life, like for last ten years in jude law.

he's been he has he has been singing your praises since you guys started working together. And i'm not honestly, i'm not making IT up. He cannot speak more highly about and he has generally disdain for people you know, I like .

five people .

in the world and .

there's three on the screening yeah i'm going we .

finished just a couple of weeks ago and i'm genuinely going through withdraws. It's been I mean, IT was a long shoots. So you know when IT starts to become part your daily routine and there I say you not take IT for granted, but you just know you've been doing IT for a few months and it's just it's it's what you do everyday.

Man, i'm funny IT hard. It's bumpey coming out. How about you?

Yeah it's it's like, yeah, on that on that project that was like a waking up in your house each day and just like hanging out with your family and it's just so easy and then you're gone from your family easter to miss them yeah.

it's a very old part of what we do, right? Yes, someone. It's like most people have their first day on a job like you know in there when is all thirties and maybe they change their job once, like in their four, we change a job three times years, right? Like a whole new group of people. Hi hi you.

is is that Jason is a lot themselves to get attached you because I have heard him described and this is true and I really this is true he described recently to somebody and this really again is going to give you a lot in for about who jb he talks about how when he starts a job with people, he tells himself not to get to a test because he knows he's not going to see them again. And so he builds in a distance with people, he he won't get hurt in my right. J, B.

H is as much of a defense mechanism is just like a practicality is like what were going to never see each other again. But there's a necessary bonding that needs to happen to really make the work enjoyable and effective. So yeah, IT is it's an oud thing.

We I have given, I have actually given Young actors that advice sumsung. I remember when I was in my early twenty starting out.

you say.

don't with me. You kind of, no, no, you know, you have you kind of walk away from the film thin. I just made fifty best. I'm gona we're gona see each other every week there are and then nothing happens and you feel slightly like hard broken yeah so you got no, i'm like you're not gonna be your best friends. You going to work together.

the good business you actually do realistic chance of of seeing those people again .

now on another project or not on .

the yeah yeah yes now before we get going, um I just i've seen judes a film that is a coming out depending on when this hairs is called the order. And i've seen at twice in the last three days because they very nicely asked me to introduce IT at some screening the other day. This movie judes the lead in IT.

Um it's also with Nicholas hold and h journey small at and it's directed by Justin kozel. Guys, if you like, a back of money and a gun and something that is shot, like one of those sydney la mat films, or it's just, this movie is so goddam good, he plays an FBI agent that is, after a White supreme es ganging up in the acidic northwest, a true story happens back. And like the late seventies, early eighties, I think, jude, and it's just bad as bank robberies and ah it's just goes is called the order is fucking I haven't trait looks .

really a poster looked really cool and you know and I think that you're like holding a gun in and or something the one hundred and talk a little bit and just if you .

can just because .

we're on this to talk a little bit about the order and how I kind of came into your world and what what is about IT. That you're like all yeah, this is something i've got to do because I don't know this cereal associate you with this sort of like a gun red land.

I hadn't they felt I hadn't played a part like IT. And IT came my way through my production company and you know IT IT was just one of those. IT was so full of potentially had this incredible true story that I hadn't heard of, an awful lot of people hadn't heard of.

I had all this relevance to today and the sort of divisive society but we would we're living in that we're seeing around the world. And then, you know, it's also wrapped up in a brilliant cat mouse through like on a genre film. And like Jason said, it's reminded me of those movies those kind of crowd pleases are iced to go see when I was a kid with the with with the great filmmakers of lemon freakin.

And so funny isn't IT. However, what is the same with other one as I suppose? But those kind of movies were once with with hat when a new and and people like that in them, so so popular and Sunny, I don't know. They kind of lost their edge may.

but any no idea why, right? I mean, like french connection, like what they don't make those movies anymore. And those used to be like the blockbusters wide or dog day afternoon.

I think or I think first of all, I think we do know. And they tried even into the nineties, I would think about one. And that great yes, to neuro Frank ani movie, amazing again, trying to extend that idea even out of sight with cloning. And those guys, yeah, out of the fairness.

the Christian bail movies.

all those movies tried. But I think that what happened was, and I think I mentioned this before, we've spent the last at least decade, kind of under the tyranny of IP, these films that were made, that were made all the owned, all I and there, like, how can we as much as we can out of this IP.

whether trying .

to head for people like shown in Scotty .

ruined the movie.

hope they have the planet.

just a yes. So ah I .

didn't talk about star war.

not jude. Star wars. Anyway, I think that that is why. And I think, but I think you're right, there's an appetite for this kind of thing.

Assume you are going to get a built in audience with this existing IP. And so these original things are are ort of put on the back burner. But my god, just just a pure satisfying experience of going to see you know a caper, you or a thriller or something with the true beginning, middle and end where you get invest with these characters and there's a sticky plot and and like, why do I need some do flying around on top of .

that .

all but he goes circle yeah I mean, people come.

you hopefully it's the same thing with music. My kids listen to all this. This music is very good.

But IT all comes out of of of electronic um interface is opposed to like plugin in an instrument and like you hear a snail drum or you hear A A guitar. I know this sound like an old fddi daddy, but I I missed the sound of instruments and music. Hopefully that comes .

back as well I think I think does come back. I mean, I mean you you're talking a lot about, I suppose, mainstream pop music. There is a huge appetite for and there is a very thriving in music.

Certainly, i'm like such an old ninety dinosaur, but that is kind of come back. There is a lot of good tar driving music out there. It's excEllent. A lot of great american bands. And you know.

so jude, how are you today?

Guys want to .

hear my impression of you and god. Go to the movies again. I hope that they fine. I hope you know, they go. His dad actually came from the score. Do you know? His dad was in the other and he is taken from Scott or too.

by the way, we just watch alien romulus. Yes, that that mythology is.

Where is that? Sit in the in the order of the .

alien IT comes before the original in .

the seven.

Yeah.

all right. After I am sorry in and like .

the design .

the design for IT, although but he was watching IT recently and they said they paused IT and zoom in on a little a area in behind, I think in home yes. And IT IT was basically as an old speaker turned inside out upside down and spray vitals.

What really cool. And in romulus h they, the sets, they may look like the eighties because I, I, I misspoke. IT would comes after at the original. I M but I in.

in early, in early.

Are you fan?

I like you?

Yeah, yeah. So good.

why people?

Where are you right now? You hotel.

you home where I an in the hills?

I I mean .

lost and for a while promoting. And you know, yeah, he is humping .

this guys got stamina like you can. He's not going to stop until december.

I ve heard again, I don't want to get too much because we do love the black grab b, and we want to .

talk about .

we're a again, this is the highest complaint from jb. He, he talked about your stampa in your ability to show up on set every day and deliver in every way. I've never seen him so impressed. And as a, i've never seen him so impressed.

Dude, honestly.

I can, i'm i'm going can turn around.

turn to a work .

session. Okay.

just how you did. Okay, you let's talk. Let's talk early days as you started as a performance. So we know where you and where you are now, but let's flash back to when you were a kid and the first time you said, mom, data, I want to perform or somebody said, dude, you need to perform what was the the thing was IT your where you attracted to IT did somebody notice IT in you? What was the thing?

How did did he just curled? Because my parents, teachers, this is in the seventies in in southeast london, they but they had a passion for theatre. So they were members of a local theatre company, and they were put on plays. And I I got up in a house where I remember there were always. You know the kitchen was full of people rehearsing and or I come down and and half a furnace would be gone because they're be using IT for for on a set in the play that they were putting on.

And yes, so IT IT was just a big and remember loving watching adults rehearse and good for about IT looked like IT was a IT was a dialogue IT was IT was a language that made sense to mean and I was, I thought, very comfortable in IT. So not really honestly IT was like a kind of, what's the right word. Segway is opposed to a kind of decision. I got involved the older I got and delays, and I joined the companies as a kid.

brothers.

sisters. I had a big sister who who SHE SHE performed too, but she's a painter.

I thought that was the name of the theater company. I thought this was like.

brothers insist.

good is a good. And she's a painter. yeah.

She's a painter. Yeah, yeah. So the decision honesty was just, I didn't. I mean, when there was there was a moment when I got offered a job in A T V.

Show, I was about seventeen, and made, had to make the decision of leaving school, moving out, and they just thought of, knew that was gonna happen. They made me promise if he didn't work out and go back to school. And I was like, a course, and but they were incredibly supported the way.

did you not finish high school like me?

No, didn't finish nice. No, I didn't.

This is great. What I realize, what I am realizing also about your friendship with jb is that he hasn't asked you any questions about your life .

in all the time.

No, no. Fuck .

you know that I .

just all day.

哦， oh my god.

I will be honest.

I was kind of weird when he shaved the beer because he had been my big brother with the big, we've been hugging, fighting and full sudden appeared. And he was just.

yeah, team. yeah.

Just so much story telling together.

So god. And we will be right back.

And now back to the show.

So due but that decision to go and do to go to a television program or stay in school, when I hear you said and I think about wanting to be a performer being seventeen, like that's a kind of an easy decision like you want to go to yeah, or do you want to stay in school? I really love school yeah.

When did you know that you were safe? That IT was actually going to be something that that .

could provide an income real, honestly, not until I was in my early twenties. And I and i've done a movie or two, really, yeah.

what was your first one? What was first fill?

So my first film was a movie called shopping, and I was about car thaves. And that was in the early nineties. And then I did a film, another english from with a period film called wild, about Oscar wild and Stephen.

When I played Oscar wild and I played his his boyfriend boy Douglas, who was a nasty piece of work. And around then I done a lot of theatre in the film yeah, I guess around then. And this is a job.

When was the where you were still in england?

P, I, D, do you got you? That was the first. Like, you've got a look. You got some recognition for that performance. In word, that kind of like you up.

Yeah I got those, you know newcomer a war right and you welcome to the gang awards kind of thing.

Yeah that's well, that's kind of good though. I mean, that's kind when you're Young actor. I mean, it's meaningful.

Yeah totally. But you know how IT is that? There's still that funny feeling of god. I was just wanna get another job. I just right. You know, like you still think the unpredictable nature of what we of what we do the waiting is, is still quite alarming and you have not enough money in the bank like you can't. Okay, god, this is unpredicted.

Even all four of us are not out of the woods. We never will be. The only thing that I think we have going for us is if our careers were to end soon, there would be sort of a downhill trajectory of maybe three or four jobs before you're done. Like that's the only sort of head we have built in their words, like back when you do, we're starting maybe you know, this could be your last job. I think four of us at that point now all of our we're so lucky we've had our our sort of success, but it's still only is built in like A A three job offers up.

not if I release chance text that I think it's going to be immediate.

But I use dude.

I so dude, then i'm kind of building towards this, which is the film I think that I first that I as a consumer in in in a film goer um and as a Young actor, what you know looking inspiring to to do stuff noticed you in a film that I to this day a door and talk about science fiction of really pure I think one of the great science fiction films gatica you eat them, that performance, that film an incredible, amazing filmmaker but that film was really remarkable. Talk a little little bit about that with you well.

I was the first film that brought me to hollywood and IT was the first time. And you know, IT was one of those rare occasions where you really script and you you just can't believe this as good as IT is and that they want you to be in IT. That was that was pretty extraordinary.

You know, I was thinking a lot about that recently, and Ethan was such an incredible a teacher really to to meet, work with ether. And that the early formative moment was was really impactful. He was, he's such a gent, and he takes IT so seriously. But with such a humour on and a created sort of approach, and I remember watching him, and we had all our stuff together that was, that was really influential, but moving here, moving to the states and making a film, and remember going rehearsal on on the SONY lot. And yet IT was just IT was a dream IT IT was kind of a fantastic.

Where did you .

spot what he called?

I staying down there in cover city near the .

near the know I was in west hold in one of those funny little hotels where you got a kitchen in the corner, sweet sum field, sweet something like that yeah yeah where you wood me happy .

someone else was picking up the bill and .

at that point you're .

just happy was at raining I think I think think I think know you time about eat. And first I would do want to say this, we ve had him on the show with such fans. I think he is such an unheralded artist.

And I don't usually use that word as much because but in sometimes that makes me prince, but I he is such an artist that that guy and he is and started, you know, Young as we know he was, was a child actor, even hawk eaten hawk. Yes, sorry, trying to deterred eaon. He's one of those guys. He could if he'd had more artistry, Jason could have .

been him.

but he's .

one of those.

And no.

but that no.

he's kind of like I really do. I love all his performances are so good and so wrong. amazing. And I love his approach and hearing him talk about hard. And so when you told me that you learn a lot, I believe that, I believe that that relationship was it's generous, generous.

Another thing really generous on set. You know aware that he's got he was working with someone who was pretty Green. I mean, I only down a couple of films. I'm still a little bit like this, but just warm.

Yeah he he was a very happy time, but he is the funny thing, you know, again, too Young to realize that that doesn't mean the films gonna be a hit, right? To going warm in hollywood is it's really good. And IT is is a great film.

The proof with that one is, is that people still referred to IT. Thank you for what you say. I mean, and you're right. IT holds up, oh my god. But at the time I just disappeared, and kind of that was my first time of, so you gotto .

keep trying.

You got to keep throwing the speaking ti at the world because but .

but and I think you know it's unna. You do have that again as the move as a consumer of IT in somebody who watched IT and adore IT. To me, to me, I was a head in the sense that IT worked and IT was brilliant and all I can.

So I walked out of the fear with whom ever say you like that? That was an incredible film in ba. So I sort of put IT in that place that it's an incredible film. I don't know .

if funny how that happens, if no exactly. But it's funny you know if if IT stays in your I think it's not one of those. We look back on A O was, yeah IT worked at the time. But you know, again, this is White, such a shame and know why that films are charges on their you know open and can yes, I think let's come back and rereview this in ten year, five years, ten.

Well, that's one of things I like about streaming, right? Like there is no sort of um score card. There is no sort of results.

It's just it's up there. And if you like IT, you tell somebody about IT and then they they watch IT. They might like IT.

And it's just people then experience IT when they want, how they want. And yeah, I just I liked that. It's just on IT on the merits. There's no it's not qualified by and .

all but catoche get rediscovered again, right? Yeah isn't someone was setting grades and at is yeah suddenly being watched by everybody.

All these shows that there what's the show? Suits, suits ah suits is had this thing where everybody's people like have you large .

suit and but I wonder what the algorithms m there their thing says to let's try suit, let's try crazy yeah you like I wonder .

yeah ah no.

I.

I was just going to say this, which is so you do get a can you come out and that brings you out here, I can introduce and brings into hollywood. And then what was the gap? You you did that and then you did. I want to say that you did well the time between that in two thousand and mister ripply, yeah because those are both late nineties films that were really amazing, impactful films yeah.

Raptly raised really, really raised my game because of nominations and and the people in IT, there was a little bit of a there were a few, you know, tub weed moments between Garcia and reality where because gatica had been a financial, here I was I did you know, I did a couple of smaller parts. But deal, there's that thing of, you know, this isn't it's not consistent and ript really with a leap for me and you're .

on the set with another jam at dame on but you you had a great time.

L another yeah I and he can be a little I mean.

he's not bright.

but he's not bright. That's really not that right. He's really hot and cold.

Let's be. And he blew IT. He blew IT at wird this morning.

I will say I butted two days ago.

I bet you did too. I did not everybody else .

pasted on that day.

I was no, not tell you right, because bob texts me about that. What did you get today?

You try quarter .

I I turtle in world .

all all three every morning with mad and two other guys every morning for three years.

That's consistent.

Every morning you get back to your gas so you get back to your guest, right? So you do a couple of couple of weeds and then you do ripply. Did you know Anthony y. Anthony manella before?

No ah I was working. I did. I did this really od little film with a with a director from home kong. And and and his wife was one of the producers on IT, and he was watching the rushes for that while he was in. I know what he saw is amazing .

and raw talent and body. Body was his daughter hana, around the great hand, and ella.

the great hana, max, max. He's now a directions like a little boy on set of that he was, I think whenever they ten .

was hand there .

till handles around yeah so .

in that wait now that was shot in some beautiful spots too, right?

Yeah I mean, you know on location in all down the coast in italy, we we rehearse that the famous china cheese to studio in in rome and then we shot in rome. We shot in is a which is this beautiful ioe of of naples near .

a near keri there three and before .

so I just wanted say because so delicious me.

it's since we have that dinner .

over the boy's house ago there for two other that was .

a great dinner. So was you in mad, in in guinness, patro, in fuel? Hoffman hofman, the great show of cable? I mean, what in an Anthony, an ala directing? And you're in italy.

And my question is, when you do something like that, it's kind of like the gatica thing in a way, but it's different. Do you are you able to in the moment, what did you appreciate you to do? You have a moment where you went like, man, this is really amazing or not is .

the way to use as I wish I yeah a bitterly looking back but now .

you can all bet, well.

yeah, i'm Better at IT but there is you know, in that I kind of thought but this is what movies are like. A beach was selling a year hanging out with Young baby stars. And IT was exceptionally special because of the the good will that Anthony had deservedly ly been given through the success of the english patient and and the people that he had assembled were you know prety pretty extraordinary group from from the cast to all the crew. But I was I was IT was a great a great experience and I wish i'd been a little Better just yeah living in IT and and realizing how special IT .

was yeah but the number of projects that you've done, you know speaking about your ability to assess whether you're you know on board a sinking ship or not. Um you know it's just the number of projects that you've done is just how standard .

all like huge yeah I mean .

that I mean, there's a lot of people that have worked to love is just because they they don't like home and will just do whatever everything you've done has been incredible. You've certainly been incredible in IT. Is some of .

you out of but but also not just the volume, but how different a lot been, tony ally.

And also just like doing shakespeare on broadway. And I mean, like this guy, you know, you're dealing with this guy.

I remember, like Jason just said, all of this great things that you've done your whole life. And then I remember when spiking out with millions, mccarty, I was, is that jude law, like IT, was the greatest left in turn ever. I was like, i've never seen due do something like this.

I was so I I was d about. I went to work with the witness. I I think a lot of honestly, i've been thinking about this recently about why, what what kind of drives me. And a lot of IT curiosity is why I gona done different franchise too.

I said, you know, I really am a bit of a film nerd like, I just love a going to the movies, going to you know, seeing stuff and having an opinion but I also kind of dead cares about how they do that. How was that done? And he was he was flying at that time and pool fagging that work that they were doing.

I just wanted to yeah, I be honest, I did not feel I was in my comfort zone. I was said there's a scene opposite her. I said they realized very clear, oh, you're the strange guy. Okay, this is fine.

I can play that because paul coming over, right? And all these notes try that, try this and she's just firing off if I mean, i'm holding IT together, just trying to keeping a straight face, right? Don't lose IT really make a fully yourself yeah but my goodness is speed up in the ideas and then just like talk about going off you way, way talking about .

SHE absolute she's an absolute comedy titan. I mean I and also, by the way, you you mentioned our good friend, my girl end Jason, you're to pizer phin wich is in that film as well. And despite are the lovely people fantastic .

tic in that film, there's a seen with the two of them, I think, hand up together yeah and they kind of learning on top pic so weird sort of six make out seeing kind of we get escape. God.

he's good. He's so going to buy the way a great pizer great story. Last year I hadn't spoken a minute about eighteen months, maybe almost two years, and were quite good friends years ago.

And when we start, but we sort of had to talk each other and out of the blue eyes, tex sym, so what else is going on? And after I saw that, I think and he answered red almost immediately that's about IT. soaked.

So dude, with all with all of the the great incoming calls, i'm sure you get how do you is there? I'm sure you you base your choices on many, many things. But is there one thing that, that is above all else will will drag you towards the project is that is IT?

Is IT the money well?

But I mean a lucky there's there there everyone needs IT. Um is IT, is IT filmmaker, is IT role, is IT location? Is that money is IT as schedule? Um is there one thing that is most important until ever or is a change I kind of .

baLance IT to help? You know, I love the idea of a chAllenge a little bit like the role I play, the order which just felt like something completely new and different and the opportunity to work with someone, Justin on that, who I knew I was in good hands, and he, would he sort of take me there directly, these films just in cause, yeah. And he he that experience was a very good experience, you know. But but the youth of baLance, a film like that, we know then I was like, okay, now I need to pay my rent you go to to find something that's going to baLance .

that out but also I grab IT.

I'm curious because what .

a shut the nuts. He did your thing for the money. Fuck dude.

Well, you're in love with the guy. You've had a great experience. And here we did IT for the fuck go.

And while he was really did a great job.

you're a paychecks him, keep going. You, sorry, erupted.

So it's, I mean, you mentioned kind of all the boxes that each check right and all of them at a different time have a different uh a order says sometimes yet where we film in this um who's in IT who order .

those things come to bringing this.

So I am over the last two years, I got house that's being renovated and i'm having one of those nightmares and it's just going on and on. And so me and my wife and the two little ones, i've just been like, okay, well, let's just travel the world. They just go wherever i'm working. So we for two years, so we really have we been in california, then we were in a canada and then in france and then australia and the new york. So it's is so really has been just following the following the work and .

the kids love IT and .

they're very little. They are both under five. So it's not like, yeah, as long as we're both, they're looking calm and happy. Yeah calm and happy.

Exactly, exactly. Do you do you ever find like I always find that fast thing. When you do have this schedule that you do, you miss a home base. You is up like a groundless to come back to.

I thought I would more, but I really heaven. And we've found some really beautiful homes around, and some not so great, but, but mostly really good experiences. I tell you what, I have found hard, I found IT really hard going back to U.

K. Because without my house, I had this lovely home there for you. I, i've always lived there, but going there as a visitor and sort of renting something doesn't really.

really .

disconcerting. I was for a couple of weeks to see my family, my, my parents, and I don't know, but equally I learned I quite like being a foreigner White, like being a foreigner in a city. IT feels slightly less um emotionally tiring and wine. The U K, you know, if I read the news about the U K, I not, I get, what are they doing so emotional, like like your uncle letting you down, you know, yeah, don't behave .

like that.

yeah. Have anything like that here.

yeah.

So when you go back and you're sitting with your parents at dinner, is there every time to reflect and go back like we're doing now about, hey, remember when you guys kind of the fuse in me with the theater and stuff like things have .

worked out and a little bit, my mom is not so well SHE the light and my mom is is sorry or the spirit of my mom is slowly, slowly fading. She's happy and she's she's not in pain, but she's, you know, she's not who SHE SHE was very much the lightning in our family. He was the kind of trail blazer.

SHE was the one putting on these plays and telling, you know, packing up our crazy little french dish of car and saying, right, we're going to drive across france and camp SHE. Dows was full of energy. And really, I think a big part of why i'm doing what I do when my sister does what he does.

So I don't I I miss that with her. I certainly have that with my my sister still and my dad. And that's fun. It's nice looking back at those, it's interesting, isn't IT the further way you get from that forms of time now you can reflect on what what what impact IT was having on you and what direction IT was sending you in. You know.

we'll be right back.

And back to the show .

and having done all .

the stuff that you've done and really prove in any point you ever would have wanted to make or or or make people proud or yourself proudly, I can't imagine that there's any box left on checked.

But you tell me is is there is there's something if I came your way, you go yeah that I have not yet done or i've been avoiding, you know is that is that a fricken musical? Is that a voice and an animated film? Is that, I mean, you've just touch so many things there.

There are definitely filmmakers out there I admire mentally and would really love to work with. And then and there's there there's yd part yeah but not not sort of I mean, there are roles in in shakespeare. I love to play one day on stage with that that are not not necessarily immediately.

But honey, something you and I talked about and something you're so good at encouraging of thing you do IT with others is is directing. yeah. I I love the idea of IT.

IT scares the hell omy. You make IT look incredibly straight food and easier. I don't know how you do that. I mean, watching you direct lead that team out of the gate and performing was really quite remarkable, man. And and I think like .

you make IT easy IT makes .

IT made me really look at IT and consider again, you gave me because of the scale .

of the decision. Is this because you thought I do?

Not .

scary is a no, I talk a little bit about IT because he is in Jason is and we are so proud of him. We love and dearly and we're so proud what he's been able to do yeah what I was like working with Jason as a director talk a little bit about that because we can talk about IT. We haven't had anybody on .

here really to talk yeah okay ah the .

mood .

first say talking to those you don't .

explosive thing you .

know you guys will know the most important thing I think on a film is the atmosphere, right? It's a massive team, all these different groups of skill sets doing all these different things. But they will want to be appreciate.

They will want there their time, and they will need their time. And Jason's just a master at keeping that going. And every, I mean, the spirit on this of this company, I got to tell cars, crew, everyone was so positive, I mean, that I was demonstrated the only we had a wonderful rap party.

Everybody's there with their family. Everyone stays from like early to the cloth. I mean that yeah and that was laid by him. And the style of the piece was was set up by Jason because he was his, how he saw IT and he, like I said, let us out of the gates. He directed the first two.

And so setting that up and getting that right and sort of was the word in graining IT in the DNA of the peace and then as an act, right. And then he's also, there is an act of playing opposite you, leading by example. But also there there are those moments where suddenly it's just those little, little tiny words of suggestion, or little tiny, not just like, this is great, this is goods.

What actually we get on this path to? We try this. And those moments where you feel are this is so much fun yeah, you kind of playing and you know know even if you're doing have a really dramatic scene, it's you kind of a gigged .

to yourself think .

you like parents yeah jb.

you have that a little bit like I can't believe I got the keys .

of the car here or every second of the day. Ah the toys yes yes. And IT was also sorted like you've got to be such a smarty pants when you're directing and and be sort of serious and you've got to think about every every corner of the room, but that this character is playing was such a thing bad like a lovely sort of like just simple ton.

It's so heavy to throw that switch in between. Okay, here we go. ready. Yeah, okay, let's let's roll. And then I was sort of joking. Ah I told you, I said, you know the sort of the um what he called the the the the fix or the secret to going into my character i'll have to do to separate my job because this kind of a mouth breather yeah I go from directly to this character by just separating my jaw and we're ready to go here we go.

That's all really well.

I will say I say before you should direct you actually you'd actually directed before. But I will say our experience are working on arrest of development. Ation was the ultimate team captain, and I also learned a lot about what IT takes. You should be a captain, no, but what IT takes to be a captain from from that guy, potentially the only thing I learned .

because he has else .

teach you in which you impressed. Dude, just quickly. Thin slice of shan. Take, look at over there.

I look like a lies.

Take my bread I mean.

idea I like, I like join in that bubble. I I like.

yeah just trying to keep his powers to dry for the star war section of the interview, which we can start .

now that and but I one question I am ready to .

go in but one question before .

scot slides .

things no, we touched that before a little bit. I want to go back just for a second that kind of air, that time when you're sitting between jobs and you're like, god, is something going to come and that certainty of what we do when you were Younger and you went through those, did you have other jobs to you? Is there any a time like D I should start thinking of something else to do with my life, because I don't think anything gonna come on and and towns in the mystery that comes.

or whatever IT is, unfortunately not. And I lived a pretty simple life early on, and then I became a father pretty Young, and that would be all consuming, so that I was always, I mean, there was always something to do.

So fatherhood didn't scare you into thinking about another occupation. Well, luckily.

steady IT was never that IT was never so much that I only thought. And if I was, that I was usually saved by a the live support of another job or a potential and another. But I realised in the last couple years, it's been a really big shift for me with with my company because suddenly, even if you know they're not coming information, although we're we've had a pretty good run. So in the last couple years, just having the sense that you kindly got your you got your hands on the rains and you can develop stuff and you're communicating with writers and directors.

And this is ref. f. With the great band Jackson.

Great band Jackson, who's been alongside me for like twenty two years, and the company has given me a much Better sense of navigating those those moments of thinking because because IT ultimately is still an active right waiting for someone.

Just think you're right for a part. But if you can cook your own food, you know it's it's a real privilege place to be and and you don't take IT lightly and and you work really, really hard as a producer as yeah .

and I love you I like the process of I love finding ideas. I love introducing writers to directors and seeing that kind of blossom bloom and that is that a love IT that's .

what had happened with order, right? Did didn't you contact um Justin cassel for this right? That tell what was that conversation like? Did you know him before?

No, not at all.

You are just a few of massive and and you .

know when you suddenly someone and it's never made, i'm really good at charming having an opinion but I never someone very good with a bank page you know people go, okay, let's discuss the the direction I was .

going yeah .

yeah ah you know you can't .

be I want to be smart with all smart because i've got a left to field idea. I'm always like, you go first and then and then i'm really, or could have been broke. That bAiling is that bAiling? A wonderful writer who we work together on back rabbit and IT chest was one of those.

Yes, this is perfect fit. This going makes this guy looks at really dark areas and kind of toxic people, but puts them in a world where you you start, there's not about empathising with them, but you understand them when he makes IT kind of, say, video, go into their worlds. And then he also Operates on this high energy. He's a big guy, and he loves capturing the energy of scenes and drama. He was just the perfect fit. So yeah, we had IT was we zoom with him? He was in his, he was in his house in tasmania with his big bed, and he looked really like, and his hair will blow you look like he just come off a hold in a whale and like, I just blew us away with his is inside yeah, I think I can do this yeah and .

then and then we were looking at, you get a director for the final of black rabbit IT zack and dude and jax partner kate. They're suggested Justin curzon and I, like, are keep fucking kidding. We're not going to get Justin cassel to direct the final of this thing.

No, no. We can ask me about what do you mean? You can how do you know what? We just finish the movie with them.

Come on, you guys just did a movie. So I had no idea that they had just work with Justin. And thank god IT went well because they they reached out and asked him and he answer .

the phone was the reaction from the crew when he came. IT was like, now we got a director now.

but I know know .

if I don't do IT if I didn't say that, this would call me up and say, are you okay? like.

Weather door, actually.

uh, where does .

star wars a skeleton crew come in the line?

I mean, it's it's absolutely stand alone, right? IT, yeah. I mean, IT fits in.

I think it's around the same time as among the laurean. But he's what got me. You know, I was six seven when the first film came out.

And I thinking about this other day, I mean, I don't remember going, I maybe saw the rescuers one hundred one mission. Yeah, I star wars to me that was cinema as like, holy cow. And what the hell is this? And not only that, for the next five years, IT was what I played. I really, I was living IT. I was running around my, are going to right on you, you know.

i'm a.

yeah, you know and you know.

So IT was formative. And john, john watch just had this awesome idea. He he called, he said, so look, you know, or if we all that all and wondering and and and dazzle that you that we had as kids.

But if we put the kids in that world, so it's taking goonies, it's taking Normal kids, you kind of argue that i'd go on with their parents so they they get on with each other. They don't like school, they run a way. They get lost and .

they are in that world. Yeah, well.

I was just like this.

This is a great.

you enjoyed shoe, that style of of work with the of the volume stages, the Green screen IT was .

all volume locky. yeah. I mean, I think I had been all Green. I don't know that I have enjoyed IT as much of done that before. The volume is really wonderful for Tracy.

This is, this is a stage that basically every wall is like a big movie screen. So definition, yeah, you're living .

in an atmosphere. So they put the, the flowing in the, you on the moon. The floor is dust and sand of rocks and boarders. But IT goes right up to the volume screen, and then the perspective of the screens is Carries on so you can be standing in a desert, disappears for hundreds of miles with ships flying around you and you with a wind blow that they use a wind. And so it's not just for .

the viewer to as an active forming. You're actually seeing that. You you're experiencing that as well.

Yeah, yeah.

oh, the same guys for a more cluttered set like a market. We had to this huge space port and they built all the, you know, the mine, the the bars in the the stores and what have you in each other. And you looks like IT just goes on and on and on and on. And you got creature crossing over. And course, what you've really only got is, say, fifty foot of that, and the rest just all on these huge screen .

that's really old.

I want to go back. I have .

your dad like he's there.

No.

I don't know and that he's not leaving. He's staying just cause .

not the family .

before we get out of the skeleton and crew will talk about who in that with you I think I mean somebody that that I know is in that with you. Who else in .

Carry Colin, one day from A T. V. On the radio and then the four kids. He is a love I made a .

couple times. He's really cool. A of me, interesting .

I am, did they play all the music live in that? I think they did. I in real time, I think, was that that was the idea on that film that when, because there there in a .

band and they're playing at the wedding, I M the .

test demmy or Johnson .

demmy when you named .

all those.

nick frost is nick frost in IT.

Nick frost is the voice of a joy.

I love the frost.

I, nick frost, one of my favorite is I shown he's .

one of my favorite .

love all time. I love neck. He so fucking we all know he's so fucking funny.

Yeah, I think when you are going to when you were talking about going from city to the city, you know, in the last few years, just going, although cities in name is IT hard to keep a schedule for eating properly, working out, taking care of yourself with the time differences and then the living in a trailer and then coming back to a hotel. IT seems like so it's like to me, that seems so disruptive and but a gorgeous life because we're all doing what we love to do. But how do you maintain a good schedule for yourself?

Allow a lot of time when I land somewhere to get over jet lag? I'm not people just pick tray get I give me a couple of days because I think jet like really like an ill you ve got to kind of love is yeah but it's like you ve got a flu he is got bad, you know and but you say then yeah, once you're out of that, I I enjoy I really like keeping fit so I train quite hard day using before I go to work.

So whatever that time is, I usually go do something for an hour, right? And then I usually take my own food. So like when I really want, I can't be doing on a set where they like lunch.

You know like it's five P M. talking. Like what was I made? I got to eat the right time, right? So I eat like, I get up and I eat in the morning. I sure I got foozle when his midday or one, I eat my lunch. yeah.

Are you particular about? You feel like, do you eat quite healthy and I .

like anything but I I get I get I can feel myself getting a bit slower and studier if I if I don't eat well yeah but i'm not I am kindly got funning relationship like I really love a good rest. I love good food, but equally it's just fuel like .

like I love .

lam chops.

Yeah take on a second.

Hey, men, we're not doing non sectors at a left field right now. I playing .

what .

had the .

house?

There were lame chops and I didn't have any. Um somehow there .

was no jelly or yeah.

I really needed, you know, dude, we honestly, I don't know about you guys. I mean, we could just keep this going forever. Probably what I know you're chasing, you are so right. He's wanted to say this for the rapper, but he is someone else. Dude, what an absolute delight we have kept.

My god, i'm so happy.

Did this will do IT again when black rabbit comes on? Yes, and I just i'm crazy about you love you. I'm going to talk to you.

I just going to call you right of the end of this because I need any question about to the but thank you body for doing this. Enjoy the rest to your your press trip. Stay arrested and get back to the family and enjoy the winter.

Ah it's what a joy and so lovely to see the three of you like this .

is it's good to great .

luck with the order. Everybody go see the order. So dam good.

anything good? Go watching. Go jude, you are a gentleman. Thank you.

sir. K, thank you.

He's fantastic.

Um so guys, i'm telling you this guy, if you think he's great on on a podcast to resume call, try going in the trenches with eight months.

You always talk about how much joy you had with them .

you really did in and you and IT was a solicit like you would just feel like cat had you like what you were making IT from every stage you cat, this guys great god you know like you we're just .

and you meant IT ah yeah is one of the best part there's ever I take one of the other ones was guy we mention was matt diamond that that little bit on air and mean like just the level of experience and professionalism with these guys is is just not to be um undervalued and .

also probably comes from gratitude to like we all know what it's like not to work and then when you get you know when you you're .

lucky and there we have seen that.

Ga, I did but I don't .

I don't remember that which .

is not I can't .

believe i've never seen IT I know gonna watch IT.

I really urge people and again, I don't want to have wasted on a lot, but that film is really a remarkable film and it's really good and juices. So it's hard to imagine that is one of the first things he did because he's so excEllent.

Know he never heads one of his actors never sucks.

Never, ever you're exactly right now. He's in the junk in school. He never, ever sucks. Yeah actors who .

know kind of what their goal posts are and have the discipline to not you know or the overindulgence to step outside of that like key finds a version of himself in every character that he does and yet he never plays anything safe. So it's just .

pretty thank .

you for bringing him on yeah.

I was so happy to be to have him because he obviously he should have been your gas. But I was happy to what I wanted him a long time ago before you guys started working together. So really yeah yeah.

So I wanted them a long time ago. And then I just sort of this is what IT happened. I'm glad that we made IT through the entire interview without talking about fucking and robber down IT on I mean I mean, all that time he like because downy has gotten so much fucking free air, i'm so .

matter .

why just in general .

just because .

access cis. No, he's very deserving of IT blab law but i'm just kind of but .

you like to have a counterpoint where do you think he's .

over indexing opinions? Yeah he he'll just he'll call me you want time about face time you so he faced downing face times in a way like it's so out of the blue.

H.

yeah and then he's in the bath and you go, you know, I was thinking what you should .

do and I like fucking and what man tell .

us and just call me or write me death .

of a big plague.

Go see, deal with our good .

friend rober down the by and the irs.

Oh yeah, depends what IT. But i'd tell you what never closes is due los talent. I so good that always think about hj, you said and show your name. But like think about all the different films he, when I was thinking up .

but you're not even touching his theater has been on broadway with like fellow or ham letter or make that they are probably all three of I think he's got a tony ominous for one of or maybe one I mean.

he's just one yeah we didn't mention we did not mention the the show comes films which were major made, major heads. Road to prediction. You ever seen that incredible cold mountain? He got an academy word nomination for that was amazing.

Ai, he was in that film. A, I yeah, I love that twenty years ago. Yes, enemy at the gates.

Ever seen that film? Enemy at the gates, very place. I think you place a snipper and stolen god is at the one.

Well, no, I haven't up .

for all the same parents.

All that you are recall backs. You ve been up for them.

Yes, the animated .

version of you to know.

have you real snow? really? One called snipper city, the other ones called is one, another ones called snip, right? And even, wow, know .

what I vents.

Heard of IT. I wonder .

who .

are now? I wonder they .

were in Jason.

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