"Jennifer Garner"
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Hey, guys, listen, I'm super high energy this morning. I'm high energy. You think you're high energy? I'm high energy. No, I'm probably the highest I've ever been. Guys, I just got a call from the High Energy Institute. Guys, I shot the coffee into the back of my knee. I'm on fire right now. Listen, I just pulled my car here. I didn't even have time to let it drive. You didn't even turn it on? I just had two pints of Haagen-Dazs. I'm like, guys, let's make sure we get this episode started while we still got the gas. Ready? Here comes Smartless. Oh, you already said it. Welcome to Smartless. Welcome to Smartless.

Jay, I don't know if you want to start or I'm going to start. Wait, are you retiring from SmartLess?

No, no, no. That's, that's, I'm not, wait, why are you? Well, we do have a very great replacement waiting whenever you're ready to. It can, doesn't have to be now. It can be next year or whenever. I feel fucking sideswiped. I got it. I feel sideswiped. I just want to give him a heads up. Oh, you already know. You're not retiring. Okay. No. What I was going to say was, Jesus. Sorry. How excited we are for Shawnee winning the Tony. Oh, well, there's that. I mean.

I mean, Sean Hayes. Yeah, Sean Hayes won a fucking Tony. Tony, best actor for Goodnight Oscar. We don't have that level of class here. I know. It's so, Sean Hayes. That's very nice. Very nice. Remember when you said you were going to go do this play

play in Chicago. An idea that you had, you got this great writer and gosh, you're scared and you don't know how it's going to go. Doug, what's his name? And then it went well and you got great reviews and there was a possibility of it going to Broadway. You weren't sure. Remember you and Scotty were in that shitty apartment in Chicago right above the fire station? Yeah. Yeah, the police station. Got such a deal on it.

And then you go to Broadway and you're not sure. Quick name of the theater, Jason. Name of the theater. Tabasco, the spiciest seats in the West. And then you do a great job that you get great reviews and then like don't talk about Tony nominations because you jinx it and then you got a nomination.

Unbelievable. Unbelievable. He's never going to win, right? No. They can't give Sean Hayes a Tony. But they give him the drama desk and the outer circles, but in the Tony, he's not going to get a Nen. But yours is spelt with an I, right? And it's dotted with a heart, right? I mean. It's like more of a certificate than an award. The Tony, Tony, Tony's. Tony, Tony, Tony's done it again. But.

But no, that's very kind of you. Sean, fucking congrats, man. That's very sweet. You guys already have showered me with so much love and praise in our texts and things. So thank you. And it is wild. It's wild to, Jason, what you just said about doing, you know, the week we shot that documentary, or the two weeks we shot that doc series that's now airing.

I was trying to memorize lines. Where do we see that, by the way, if somebody wanted to see that? If somebody wanted to see that talk, where would they go? It's streaming on Max. What's Max? Oh, Max. That's where they'd find it. Sean, not only are you learning, we arrived, we did those shows on the weekend, and the next day you flew to Chicago. That's right. And the next day I flew to Chicago to do it. After the last show. But, Jay, you were...

sleeping or something and I asked Will to run lines with me. Yeah. Oh, really? And Will ran lines with me on the couch and I was like, yeah, it was, that's so bizarre to me. Bizarre. And that's why they got, I got the special, you got a certificate? I'm on the Tony, yeah, they engraved just a little spot. Just look underneath it, Sean. It says ran lines with, it says ran lines with. Will's name sketched into it.

It is wild. But we just could not be prouder. And the fact that we've both seen it and can attest to its quality is also good. Well, and you know, you get so nervous when you get up there and you receive an award and you forget to thank people. And I really honestly forgot to thank two of my best friends in the whole world, you guys. Oh, wait, what?

Oh, my God. And my family, too. No, I was actually taken by how together you were up there. Me, too. Oh, my God. I was a wreck. I was shaking. You're an incredible actor because you seemed not nervous at all. I love when you said Scotty. It's Scotty, right? And you were so funny. Sean. Yeah, and the only one-liner I had ready should I had one was...

this has got to be the first time an Oscar won a Tony. Yes. And in the room there, eh, didn't land so well. On TV it played great. So who cares about the room, right? But the rest of it. Listen, I was watching that thing and I was just thinking, you see all these theater people in there and they got there in the biggest night and I thought, man, this is showbiz for losers. You know? Will texted that to me.

Will was texting me in real time while he was watching the Tony Awards saying, this is the first time I've ever watched the Tony Awards because of you. You better win. But it was wild. Also, when they call your name, it's that weird thing where you watch TV your whole life, whether it's Oscars, Emmys, Tonys, whatever.

and you watch other people walk up there. And you're like, "Oh, that's so nice. I'm a big fan." Or, "I love that show," or that whatever, that actor. And then when you're-- While I was walking up the steps, it was like, "I'm not supposed to be walk-- Like, other people walk up the steps. -Right. -It's not supposed to be you." Didn't you get used to that walk with the-- What is it, half a dozen Emmys you've won? Golden Globes, SAG Awards, all these other things? I was just thinking between us, we've won a handful of Golden Globes,

and Emmys, and Sags, and Tony. I mean, that's amazing. Isn't that cumulative? We didn't answer to be an EGOT group. No, but between the three of us, we've won all these. I mean, I haven't won any of them, but you guys. Yes, you have. But between the three of us. But you ran lines with both of us. I've run lines with both you guys, and you've both been won. So, yeah, if you look at my thing, like, yeah, technically I've never won anything.

And award. But, you know, that's... We won. Hey, we all three won a Webby. We did. We did. We did. We did.

How about that? A few of them. We did. A few of them. Guys, thank you so much for saying that. Truly, truly. Thank you for all the love and support you've shown me and the show by talking about it on the podcast. And you guys are the best. I love you very much. No, we love you. And anyway, we had to talk about it because it was just, it was too important. And now we can get to our regular scheduled program, which is the Fantastic Jennifer Garner episode. Can't wait. Welcome to SmartLess. Welcome to SmartLess. Welcome to SmartLess.

That's very sweet, you guys. Thank you. Shawnee, are you happy that we're on day two of your days off? Yes. This is your weekend right now. Monday, Tuesday is your weekend. It is Monday, Tuesday is my weekend. How's your eyeball? Have you been performing? I don't know. I'm going to go back after we're done here. I'm going to go back and see if my retina is detached. Isn't that crazy? Yeah, but did he re-stick it last week? Well...

I don't know. We talked about Vasovagal, right? Where you get sick and you faint. Yep. Yeah. He puts the anesthesia in your eye and then opens it and sticks something in your eye to keep it open. This is an eye doctor or just a fellow downstairs? It's a proctologist. This is the guy. And then he shoots lasers in your eye and it's kind of painful. Like from the hip? Yeah, he shoots from the hip.

Yeah, and he puts those Star Wars sounds in it to make me, to soothe me. He does, huh? Pew, pew, pew, pew. Yeah, that guy's not an accredited doctor, Sean. But, Sean, you've been doing the show, right? What did you have, like one day off or two days off after the eye surgery? I've got Mondays and Tuesdays off. No, no, but I mean after you got your lasers in the eye. Yeah, I did the laser thing on Tuesday and had two shows the next day.

You did seven shows after the laser thing. Yeah. Did you bump into any cast members or set decoration? No, no set decoration. No, I did okay. But I'm supposed to bang my head, you know, when I try to get those voices out of my head. So I cut that and I just grab my head now. That's good. Not as good. Do you feel like it might be a nice kind of homage if eventually you end up using your mom's eye? Huh?

No, I'm serious because I know that Tracy's got it, right? I could use that. Trace, get it shined up. I could finally see how my mom saw. No, you're not going to have to do that. I think you're okay.

Because you made it through last week. I know. I made it through last week. So we're going to find out what happens today after we're done here. And then I'll let you guys know because I'm sure you'll be on the edge of your seats. Hey, quick question. Jason, are you wearing one of those sauna sweatsuits? Yeah, it looks like it. Are you trying to cut weight? It's just a crappy overthrow. It's a little cloudy today. Okay.

You know, speaking of proctologists, guys, our next guest... Wait, what? It's not my guest. Jay, me and you have the exact same glasses on today. And same hair. We should start a band. Well, your partner's in the middle. No, it's not meant to be in the middle. It really isn't. You know, I look like a water yak when it goes down the middle. Well, we've been through what it looks like in profile when it's just the outline. Yeah, on the SmartList logo, I look like a dickhead. Yeah, a literal dickhead.

No. Dickhead. But let's not...

By the way, let's talk about our FaceTime last night, Will, for two seconds. Was I on it? No. No, and he literally never seen any human being eat this fast. He's talking, he's talking, he's talking. While I'm talking to him, he's making a sandwich. Maybe 30 seconds later, the entire sandwich is gone. It's a ham and cheese sandwich gone like that. Was it small-sized bread or something? No, it was a big fucking sandwich. Yeah, big sandwich. I just hammered it in like four bites. And then he went on a hike.

I needed fuel. To go on your hike. You know? And I went on a hike. Did you put on, did you strap on the heavy hands and the heavy ankles and walk up the hills? Yeah, I wore the weight vest. And did you zip into the rubber suit? I wish. Do you ever talk on your hike while you're on the phone? Do you ever pass anybody?

What kind of question is that? Meaning like when you're walking and you talk to people on your hike because I don't like it when people are like... I do sometimes. What are you doing tonight? And I'm like...

And I'm like, just call me when you're done. I'll roll calls. I'll roll calls sometimes. What if you got one of those, you know, they use them for motion capture where you wear the helmet with the camera that's looking back at you. Oh, that's not bad. You could do FaceTimes while you're walking. You could do full FaceTime. Yeah. But you know what I mean when people are like talking to you? I do. Of course I do. I'm that guy. And what happens is also is that that street is, I will have, and you don't always look the best because it's quite straight uphill and you get quite tired. Jay, we've done it before together. And remember Amanda's mom used to do it every day. And people...

People go like, yeah, man, I saw you out there the other day. I'm thinking, I just looked like a sweaty slob that was huffing and puffing my way up. At noon on a weekday. Actually, you saw me there a couple weeks ago. You pulled over. Yeah, yeah. You pulled over because you didn't know it was me. You thought I was just a hot guy walking up the hill. You said, hey, hot guy, and then you saw me. I mean, ha, ha, ha, hey, well, ha, ha, ha. I've been a high guy. High guy instead of hot guy.

Hi, guy. Our guest doesn't need to hear us. Oh, wait, really quick. Sorry. I guess our guest doesn't need it. No, no, just really quick. One of the most embarrassing moments of my entire life, I was driving off the NBC lot. This is decades ago. And there was this really good-looking guard. And I rolled down, and a friend of mine was in the car with me. And I looked back just as I passed him, and I went...

Like that. And I noticed the guard saw me do that, and all of him and the five other guards were laughing so hard because they knew it was me that checked him out and was so embarrassed. That's my story. Well, we always need something to cut. Will, your guess? Ha ha! Ha ha!

I don't know. That's pretty good. I don't know if you're going to want to cut that. All the way there and no destination. I tell you who never gets cut is our guest today. This person is not going to get... Because you're going to want to see this person, and the people who hire this person want this person to be in every frame of everything they do. Because this is somebody who has been in many frames for many years.

This is a person who's done the-- It really run the gamut. Started in New York, first professional job was in understudy. - The Queens one. - Yeah. And then moved into TV, did the whole thing, paid her dues in TV, guest stars on all the biggest shows and pilots and shows that lasted three episodes and six episodes and then nothing. And then got a show that clicked.

-And clicked in the biggest way that people-- -Fran Drescher. I got it. It's not Fran Drescher. Clicked in the way that people just loved and couldn't get enough of. And guess what happens when you do that? People start saying, "We need to put you into our film." And boy, did she start doing films. Big, huge commercial films. Big, huge award-nominated and winning films. This person has done it all. -You're not saying anything-- -All while being a mom to three kids.

and maintaining a consistency over time, which is really the mark of somebody who's incredible. Guys, I haven't given it away yet, but you know her from Alias, you loved her in Daredevil, you knew her in Pearl Harbor. - Is this Garner? - You liked her yesterday. It's Jennifer Garner. - The Jen Garner? Look at her.

Oh, she covered him back up. She's back up. Look at her go. Hello. Hi. I usually have a baseball... Okay, wait a minute. Jennifer Garner... Yeah, you always have a hat on. I always do. So I was trying to... Yeah. You, me, and Jason have the exact same glasses frames on right now. Listener, we've had a lot of nice people on this show. Sure. Nice.

None is nice as Jen. Babe, man, I'm so happy to see you. Hi, guys. I got so nervous. Do people get nervous when you're about to introduce them? No. I have a runny tummy right now. Always. Well, let's not. All right.

People do, I think, I don't know if people get nervous, but I think that nerves are always a good sign. Okay, great. It means you're ready. Of a real person. Give me a great set. It means that you're in the moment. Hi, Jennifer Garner, we've never met before. Really? I know. That is so weird to me because I really remember you from the Venice days

and the whole, yeah, your whole compound. Yeah, I was in the compound with everybody who was in your show. Wait, you guys have never met? What compound? I know, isn't that weird? When I was living out with Bradley, Bradley and I were in the back, and Ron and Iva were in the front. And where were you, Jen? How could you never meet if you guys were that close?

I would kind of skulk around to try to avoid him. But you were living in the same building? No, no, I wasn't. It's just like Ron and Iva, Ron Rifkin and his wife were in one part of this compound. And Ron was on alias. He played Sloan and Bradley Cooper was there. Right. So when Transpo was driving the van in the morning, picking up all the cast members.

Oh, you must not have seen the show. No, no, no, it wasn't that kind of. Sometimes I saw Will taking out the garbage. By the way, I didn't take out the garbage. That's why Ron got mad at me. Do you know that story? No, but I'm not surprised. I thought that's why you brought it up. You don't want Ron Rifkin running after you. Ron, I used to, we were, I guess, working on Arrested Development at the time, and I was never there first thing in the morning on Monday morning, whatever it was, or Thursday mornings.

And at this point, Bradley moved out and Robbie Bates had moved into Bradley's place. - Right, right, right. - Right? So Robbie was there and I go-- And all of a sudden, like, Ron was kind of-- I go, "I think Ron's mad at me 'cause I haven't taken the trash out 'cause I don't get--" Why is it your job? It was anybody's job. Whoever could do it. But Ron would do it right at 5:00 p.m. The moment you're allowed to put it out the night before, he would put it out. And I'm like, "I didn't get home till 7:00, 8:00 from work."

So I think he's mad at me and Robbie's like, "Oh, you're reading into it. You're being crazy." I'm like, "Okay." And like two months later-- -Fist on the hip. -Who was it who I saw? -I saw-- -Fist on the hip. I saw somebody and they said to me, "Oh, I ran into Ron Rifkin at a party and he says that you never take the trash out." I said, "I knew it!" And I said to Robbie, I'm like, "Who's crazy now?"

All right. If we don't cut me checking out the NBC guard. You don't want that story? You don't want the Ron Rifkin trash story? I love Ron Rifkin. People just listen to it in double time. See, Jen, there's nothing to be nervous about. We don't let you get a word in edgewise. I know. We just like talking. It's Jennifer Garner, everybody. Finally, you're the most delicious person. You're so sweet and kind. What's with the 1950s microphone? I know.

- I don't know, this just came, you're lovely guys send it. - We send it over. So Jennifer Garner, and I was, again, can I call you Jen? - Yeah, unless you're gonna use the whole thing, I mean. - Does anybody call you Jenny?

No, very few people. There's a first AD that I love who calls me Jenny. Like people like that, just random people in my life. But I never mind. Well, you call Aniston Jenny sometimes. I always find it very cute. I think it's very, very affectionate. Yeah. I like Jenny as a nickname for Jen. Yes. In a weird way, but I didn't grow up as a Jenny. But I bet Jen Aniston...

would agree with me that we, you know, why weren't we named like Savannah or Ireland or something? Well, I also call, Jason, I also call your wife Mandy. Nobody else calls her Mandy. That's true. But so, Jen, I want to go way back because I love your trajectory. It's so great. And I mentioned it in the lead-in when I was reading about you. All the frames. Yes.

Yeah, well, I also, I felt very similar in that, like, I could, when I looked at all the stuff that you did and the shows that got canceled and the three episodes and this stuff, I, that was my pain for so many years as well. You had all these near misses. You think like, oh, this is, I'm so excited about this show.

And then before you know it. Yeah, this is the one before you know it. JB, you know what it's like too. Oh my God. All of a sudden it's gone. And you're like, what? I remember I did a movie. My first like movie movie was Mr. Magoo with starring Leslie Nielsen as Mr. Magoo. Oh my God, I remember that. And.

Sure you do. I do. And when it was coming out, I knew so little that I thought, well, I guess I get to go to the Oscars this year because I'm in a movie. I seriously was like, well, I guess. Get a dress. I better get ready. I better go shopping. Is it true that Leslie Nielsen, every day of his life –

walked around with a little fart machine in his pocket? He did. There was a fart machine. Oh, my God. I think that's so awesome. That'd be good. There's also this guy, and I can't remember who it was. Or there wasn't a machine, but there was farting one way or another. Maybe there wasn't a fart machine. As I say, Jay doesn't need a machine. There's a guy, I feel like, it's not Jeffrey Tambor, but it's somebody like that, equally hilarious, that his bit his whole life is to walk around with a little bit of loose change in his pocket, and he just drops it as he walks by people. Yeah.

Which is because you can't help but go, oh, sir, you, you know, like you just keep walking. It's a fun bit. It keeps it fun. So, so first, so you're, you're shopping for the Oscars after Mr. Magoo. Happy birthday. That's another great bit. Just say that like in an elevator. Out of nowhere. Sorry, Willie.

So you're ready to go to the Oscars after Mr. Magoo. What was the thing-- What had you done before Mr. Magoo? Had you done a bunch of shows before then? What was the first-- And by the way, weren't you a theater nerd too? Yeah, I was a theater nerd. Well, let's go back then, Will. Let's go back. You started as a-- You weren't a theater major to begin with. Is that true?

Correct. I was a chemistry major. Wow. Wow. Wow. Do you have like that kind of the brain that loves that still? No. No, no. I don't think I had it then. I just think my dad was a chemical engineer. He's a retired chemical engineer. And I come from a chemistry town. Like it was Union Carbide, Dow, DuPont. Yeah. Yeah. There are like five people left. No, not really. Wow.

really do. All right, do you ever like it? Oh, the drinking water must be delicious. It's all different colors, rainbow flavors. Sure. Do you have a sci-fi brain, though, that you do like sci-fi because of alias and all that or no? No. Mm-mm. All right, well, you don't have to be... No, I'm just thinking. Like, you would think that, but no, I just... Your girls aren't taking chemistry yet, are they? Franny's taking chemistry. I don't know how she's doing it. Oh, my gosh. My daughter's a junior. Yes? So then she is, yes? Yeah. Or she's done with chemistry? Yeah. How...

How old are yours? Franny's 16 and Maple is 11. Oh, wow. Okay, I have 16, 14, and 11. Are you helping out with chemistry at all? No, no, no. No, you didn't retain any of it. I don't remember. I mean, truly, I can't help with that homework of my high school junior. Not even... I can hardly read it. What about math? She had her...

AP, her BC Calc AP, whatever, her exam yesterday. Yeah, it's definitely never used. Yeah, yeah, definitely. Derivative, like I don't even...

When's the last time you dealt with a parabola? You know what I mean? Today? I feel like we really shouldn't have to do it. Jason, I haven't seen you in a long time. I know. Remember when we used to work together once every eight or nine months? Yeah, remember when we worked together all the time? You guys did Juno?

We did Juno. What else? But before that, we did The Kingdom. Well, you did The Kingdom, of course. Was Kingdom before Juno? Kingdom was before Juno. Didn't we do a third thing together? We did, and I always forget, and I actually looked it up because we didn't have scenes together. That's why. Oh, it was the Ricky Gervais thing? It was Invention of Lying, yeah. Yes. Yes. Oh, I love that movie. Yeah. And now, a word from our sponsor. And now, back to the show.

So you become a theater nerd, you're at Denison, you switch majors, you don't want to be a chemical engineer, you're working on the sets, you're doing all this stuff, and then what? You're like, all right, I graduate, I'm out of here, and I'm going to go and work all the time? Okay, so then I worked at a Shakespeare festival in Atlanta, Georgia, the summer after I graduated. And while we were there, there was a musical, because I really, I loved Shakespeare.

musicals. And there was a musical, a new version of, what's it called? Taming of the Shrew. Okay. No. What is Taming of the Shrew? It's the name of the, which is Kiss Me Kate. There's Kiss Me Kate, but apparently there needed to be another one. So it was called Dancing with the One I Love.

And so that show was taken to a theater in a strip mall in Fort Lauderdale. Sure. Called the Brian C. Smith Off-Broadway Theater. Uh-huh. And I... Uh-huh. We're sure with you. This is next to TurboTax. It literally was. It was shut down for tax evasion later. Oh, sure. But...

But I went down with that show and performed there. And I was there as a non-equity performer because I had been hiding from my equity card because I could work more, you know. Yeah, right. So I was working as a non-equity performer. So I didn't have – they didn't have to put me up there.

So in exchange for being someone's roommate, I was in charge of the laundry for the entire cast, and there were 35 men. We did eight shows a week. So I washed and ironed all there, but I got really good at ironing. No way. Yeah, I did all of the washing, drying, all of the dry cleaning. I can't touch anyone's dirty clothes. I love dirty clothes. Oh, I can't do it. I want to iron your little ponchos so badly. What if your hand goes in the wrong spot?

How dirty can it be? You gotta look for the waistband. Grab that. Oh my God. Do you love that? Of all household shorts, you love ironing? Like, do you love that? I have a friend that loves ironing. Yeah, I get that. I got really into it at the time. I was so, I just ironed all iron.

I ironed all the time. So, yeah. It used to be one of my chores on the weekends. I just learned a new hack is to, if you have like rings on a wood table, something like that, and you put like just a damp towel on it and you iron it and it'll bring the ring mark off. Who taught you that? Oh, my God. I learned it on the TikTok. Hey, so listen. YouTube shorts? Yeah, YouTube short shorts. They're called culottes. So...

So, Jen, so you're in Florida, you're doing a ton of laundry, and Hollywood calls? I was in Florida. I was doing a ton of laundry. And after it was over, I was driving north to audition for... Back to Georgia. Yeah. I was driving up north to audition for Utah Shakespeare for the next summer. And...

And when I was on my way there, I met a casting director in Philadelphia at a restaurant and he said, you should come and read for this little movie. Anyway, I ended up in New York for a couple of days.

And while I was there, I went on an audition and I actually I opened the backstage. I went on a bunch of auditions. And because I was so green and so fresh off the bus, like West Virginia girl, I just got everything that day that I went on. They were all these little non-equity jobs. It was just one of those days, you know, where it's just like.

It's my first day in New York. Hi, y'all. I'd hire you right now based on this interview. It's unbelievable, right? So somebody said you should meet an agent. I met this agent. She said, I want to send you to the roundabout to see if you could get an understudy job.

And so anyway, then I did. And then I started working at Isabella's. Do you remember Isabella's? On the southeast corner of 77th Street and Columbus Avenue. Yes. That's a bar? Yes, I do. A restaurant? Yeah, it was across from the Natural Museum of History. Yes, I know Isabella's. Yeah. Did you ever get loaded in there, Will? I sure did. But that was a different lifetime. So how quickly after that were you back on the bus out to Hollywood?

A few years. Because I only wanted to do theater. Right. And you have this, like, amazing singing voice that not a lot of people know that you have, but you do. No. But so that was the dream to do musicals on Broadway, never to go out to Hollywood. I mean, it was just to be in theater. I didn't really, I mean, I love theater.

I don't really have a voice that could be a professional singing voice unless it's like the range from here to here. But Broadway quality. Yeah, I don't have like a Broadway voice. But I have a karaoke voice. We've done karaoke sort of, fancy karaoke. But anyway, yeah, then I was super broke and I had just finally auditioned for a TV thing this agent sent me on. And she said, well, they want to test you for this.

And I said, I'm understudying right now. And she said, they'll give you $150 a day cash per diem. And I so badly needed that cash. I was so broke that I came to LA to test for something. And I got that job. And it was to play Melissa Gilbert's daughter in a Daniel Steele miniseries. So then I did that. Oh, my God. Yeah. I was up for the same part. Wow. Yeah.

- Wow. - I love, Melissa Gilbert was one of my first crushes. - Yeah, no, it's true. - You guys are so tied to each other 'cause I was just thinking, Jay, you worked with Melissa Gilbert on "Little House." - Yes, sir, yeah. - That's right. - That's when things all started to happen for me. Testosterone and my career. - I kept calling her Laura. I remember in "Hair and Makeup," I kept calling her Laura. - Did you really? - Yeah. - Yeah. - She taught me everything. I'd never been in front of, I'd never been in front of a camera. I'd never paid attention to any of it.

She taught me what a call sheet was, who to talk to for things. She taught me about the camera turning around. I had no, I was totally clueless. She was really good to me. That's so sweet. That's so nice. Did you guys, did you stay connected with her at all after? Yeah, I have. You know, she's in government and politics in Michigan. Yeah, I had a fundraiser for her. Married to Timothy Busfield. Yeah, very happily. The great Timothy Busfield, yeah. Mm-hmm.

- Couple of gingers. - Yeah, yeah. - Found each other. Well, my son's a ginger, so I always have a soft spot. One of my sons. - Sweet, sweet ginger. - Sweet Abel. So you do the movie with, now you've, and then she's taught you everything you need to know about showbiz in half an hour. - So then I'm in.

So now you're in. No, then I went back to New York and I was still, you know, and I would, every time I would get some kind of play, I would be so broke. I would get like an episode of Law & Order or some dumb thing and I would have to, I would take that job because I needed that top of the show. Well, you did Law & Order, right? I did. I did. Gale plus 10.

Scale plus 10. You're just so stoked. But also you're working in the city. And as you know, like you, like you're working in the city. You're so excited that you get to shoot in the city. And you end up like shooting on, you're like, I was just here yesterday buying milk. And now I'm here shooting. You know what I mean? It's so crazy. Isn't it when you first are going up somewhere and you see like,

you know, big caravans and a whole set and a base camp and you're like, wow, there's a movie shooting there and you're like, wait a minute, that's me. Do you remember that? Yeah. I mean, I still feel that way a little bit. I still get that way. Driving up to a location and just seeing all the trucks, it's like, oh,

Yeah, because I remember moving to Los Angeles for the first time seeing that, just waiting tables. And you're like, that'd be so cool. What are they filming over there? I'd love to be a part of it. So right off the bus from West Virginia, you're in New York. You're very green. How did you find the city? Was it scary or did you adapt immediately? I was pretty happy. I mean, I just, I really...

went right into it. I just would pay my $20 to stand at the back of the Broadway house to watch every show that I could by myself like this.

And I would go to museums. And, I mean, I just was nerding out. So you weren't going to the discos and the bars and the... No, I wasn't doing any of that. But my mom always told me that the more people you make eye contact with and smile at during this day on the street, like strangers, the happier you are as a person. Oh, the cuckoo clocks, right. But so as I was walking down the street... Does that go off every time you quote something cuckoo your mom says? Yes.

It would be very busy. Quiet. Wait, by the way, Jen. Of course it's 10. That was cuckoo. There's a lot of wisdom in that because I like that your mom said that. I was just listening to a thing today because it lends itself to the cuckoo clock. Can we get locations on the cuckoo clock? I wish Melissa Gilbert had told you about sound while we're rolling. I've got to deal with that. Cuckoo. So there's a lot of wisdom in that. I like this idea that it's kind of...

you know, you get what you put out there. And so, and I think that that's true. If you go out and you make eye contact and you smile at people and you kind of, you project joy, you're going to get joy coming back your way. Right, okay. But when you first moved to New York. Well, that's crazy. Yeah, no, that's insane. That is very hard on the population of New York. It's very tiring. I was like, hi.

Hi. How you doing? Nice day. I like your shoes. I mean, it was a lot. I was a lot. They were a lot for me. You can't compliment people's shoes in New York. But where was your first apartment? Do you remember? What part of the city? Yeah. I lived on a woman's kitchen floor on 85th and Broadway. Wow. Shit.

She had a studio, but the kitchen was kind of its own alcove, and I had a little futon and my suitcase for nine months. Wow, like a puppy. What year was that, do you think? Like a puppy. What year were you? 94. Okay. Why, were you on 85th and... No, I lived at 87th and West End with five other people. That was like 90, 91, and then by 92, I was living on the Upper...

Eastside in a railroad apartment with two other dudes. Wait, are we falling asleep? Jen, I'm on 81st and Broadway right now. Oh, no way. No way. Who cares? Way. That's a nice apartment. Is that your apartment? Yeah, it's brand new. And all he does is watch TV in there. Yeah.

So you do this. Now you're living in New York and you're doing Law & Order. You're doing Spin City. Can I go back and watch your Spin City episode? Yeah, you do. I'm shocked that you haven't. I know. And then where does Alias fall into all of this? Well, sorry. You meet J.J. Abrams because you do Felicity, right?

Yes. So a few years go by, and I had been working probably seven years by the time I met JJ and did Felicity and Alias. And how'd you meet JJ? I just auditioned for Felicity for a guest spot. Oh, gotcha. Wow. And then it's like he remembered you. But I had heard, and JJ's a friend of the show, so he's listening. I had heard that you...

That he wrote Alias with you in mind. He did. I know. Isn't that cool? He gave it to me and I stood in one spot in my kitchen and read the pilot. I didn't even move. I was so, it was, it's still, I think it's, it's the best pilot. I think. That's awesome. He's such an incredible director too. Yeah, it turns out. It's such a great, it is a great pilot and it was, and it was a, it was a great show and you're great on it. And, um,

What about just his general energy? I mean, it's pretty infectious. It's so positive. Yeah. He gives you his full attention. He's super sincere. I just, there's not a lot like him. And is that where you met our lovely Victor Garber that we have in common? Yes. That is where I met our lovely Victor Garber. Although I'd been a big fan of his, I'd seen him in art. I'd seen him in the one with Billy Crudup that started with an A at Lincoln Center. It's...

You know the one I'm talking about. Arcadia? Arcadia. Thank you. Whenever we have dinner, whenever Victor and I go out to dinner, he's a very close friend of both yours and mine. He was at your premiere party or your opening night party. Yes, he was at the opening night. And any time we go out to dinner, I'll always say super, super loud, Oh my God, were you in Titanic? Titanic.

And everybody looks and he's, you motherfucker, fuck you, you fucking asshole. Everyone's looking for Leonardo DiCaprio. Did you guys see him in Godspell? Yes. With Martin Short and every other Canadian actor. Every Canadian actor. And they're all still super close, that entire cast. They are really, it's like 40 years later. I love that. Wait, am I showing my dumbness by wondering why would they all be Canadians?

It all really started this, there was like, so Godspell was this thing on Broadway. It was a huge sensation. Wait, wait, Jen, Jen, before, I hate to interrupt you, but I have to, Jason, we've had at least five members of that production on the podcast who have talked about the fact that they were all in that production. No recollection at all. I just thought maybe Godspell was written by a Canadian. It's a Canadian story and no? Yeah, Jesus. Jesus, it turns out, was a Canadian.

Everyone knew it. You heard it here. Wait, Jesus is in Godspell? Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Godspell's not one word?

Those are two words. How do you spell? How do you spell God? So, so... G-A-W-D? Oh, my God. Victor. And, you know, I used to see Victor, too, back in the Alias days through Bradley. All the time, yeah. Yeah, and we would have dinner out on the west side with that little me and the rest of the cast of Alias all the time because Bradley was on Alias. Mm-hmm. I felt like a sort of an eighth member of the cast, if you will.

-You were. -No, you won't. You won't. No, you won't. So, Alias comes about, and then I remember the time when Alias came out, and it was so good, and it was so kick-ass, and...

There was so much written about. First of all, you just, you were the lead of this show and you were a kick-ass lead too. Yeah. Like you, you just kind of, it's like you were shot out of a cannon and you were beating fools up and knocking people out and karate chopping heads and doing shit and like all this spy stuff. And I remember the stories about you, your training regimen and how insane it was at the time. I still think about it to this day sometimes. I,

I'm going to admit to you something. I think about it sometimes when I think about getting up and working out before work.

And I'll think about you, the stories of you are embedded in my mind, and I don't know you, working out before doing alias. I swear to God. That is really funny. Wait, you would work out before shooting 12 hours a day? Yeah, I would. Because Carl Lumley, who was on the show, I started saying, like, it's so hard for me to keep a workout. Our hours were so insane. And I said, and I need to be warmed up, and I just can't seem to get it all done. And he...

is such a stately, gorgeous man and a theater actor and somebody I just respect so much. And at the time, like I had all these, I had Ron, I had Victor and I had Carl all on the show. So I was looking up to them so much for anything. And Carl said, you can always do half an hour.

You just set your clock. Just get up and do it. You can always do it. And so from that day, I was just like, oh, okay, then I will. And so just no matter what, I would crank my clock earlier, 345. I would do anything to show up to work warmed up because there was so much action and I didn't know when things were going to happen and I wanted to be ready for whatever. Now I don't do that.

Now, like a six and an occasional five, but I don't, you know, not really. But isn't it depressing how much harder it is to stay in shape as we get older? I mean, it's almost like it doubles the amount of time you have to spend at it almost every year. I remember you solidly running six or seven miles every day. It never helped. Never helped. It really did. I'm running like I'm being chased. I also remember you spinning upside down in a car and just...

And then you, I remember you, who were you pregnant with when you threw up? Was it Violet? No, you already had Violet. I was nursing. That was the issue. It was so hot where we were shooting The Kingdom. Like we were in Arizona and it was August and September and 120 on asphalt. And we were wearing big boots and hats and bulletproof vests. And we, I went, that's the only time, knock on wood, I was pregnant.

I've ever had to go to the hospital during shooting. I would get so dizzy. I couldn't see. I was nursing. I should have, you know. No way. But I see, but I, but on your Instagram, I see like you working out all the time. It's so inspiring. Like, first of all,

What your mom you work constantly you work out you're doing all these things I see you do so many things like is there's I asked this question a lot because I find it fascinating is there a thing or a person that inspired you to be ambitious and to have this drive like where does that come from to just do all of these things.

I don't know, but don't you feel like you get older and you look around and there are people you admire and just like that moment with Carl, like something just like makes you realize, oh, I can do that. I can reach for, I can go harder. I can reach for that. I can be more. Yeah, why not you? Jen, you're my Carl. That's what I'm trying to tell you. Oh, good.

I'm so glad. I'll see you at, let's set the alarm. Let's FaceTime. But when you were younger, was there like a family member or a person where you just like something clicked in your head and you're like, wait a minute. I like how they live their life. I like how they kind of make the decisions they've made. I mean, I don't know. I have pretty great parents. Like they just, yeah, I'm pretty great. Yeah. Do you find that your children are as motivated as you were at that age?

They are each of them in their own ways. The hard thing is that you think it's going to be your ways. And their ways are things I could never do and are, they're amazing, but they are not, they keep forgetting to be me. Yeah. Yeah. Do you, well, they, cause it is fun watching. Like, do you find, well, Sean, do you find your dad funny?

Oh, period. Stop. Period. Sorry. Sorry. That was just it. Just that one question. Sorry. Sorry. No, but it is funny watching our kids, and this kind of goes out to everybody, like watching our kids go about it a different way than we went about it. Yeah. And I constantly find myself wanting to say like,

"Hey, man, maybe if you..." And then I just go, "No, no, no, no, it's okay. He's gonna do it his own way. I'm just here to kind of act as bumpers on either side to keep them within a certain range." Well, that's interesting, though, because my... Because of the way we were raised and my dad left early, that old story,

Because of that, my two brothers who have kids are phenomenal dads. Wow. They're amazing. Yeah. I mean, it doesn't always go that way, though. That's right, but I mean, that was the inspiration to be a great dad. Can I tell you something that happened the other night that I found really nice? I was with Jason and Amanda and Maple.

-who's 11 now, Mape, right? -Yeah. And we were just talking about something, and Mape was so honest and comfortable in this way, and whatever, we all spent a lot of time, so-- When she told you to shut your mouth. When she said, "Shut your stupid mouth." "Your stupid Canadian mouth." She said-- You were saying something dumb. And I've been trying to keep from her that I'm Canadian for a long time. No, but she said-- We started talking about something, and she was really candid with you guys and with us

in this way that felt that I really, I kind of loved, it was such a reflection of you and Amanda. And I love seeing that in kids when they feel this level of comfort to share and be able to speak openly. I think that's so important. That's really rare. And it was really heartwarming. Yeah? Well, that's nice. Thank you for saying that. I'm always surprised how little children understand

really take from the parents, this whole question of nature versus nurture. And I think I've hammered this one before, but you know, for the, whenever somebody says something nice about my kids, it's my instinct to deflect anyway. But, um, I do think it is them. It is nature. It's not nurture. I think you can affect your kid probably 5% left or right, you know, but for the most part, you get what you get. Cause like, you know, Jen, I'm sure you've got, you've got, you've got three to compare against. I've only got two where they're,

Same parents, same roof, same upbringing, and they're wildly different. So there it is. So it's not nurture. And from the minute they were born, too. Their personalities were already intact. That's why I don't have kids. I don't want to wake up in the middle of the night and have them killing me. Right, yeah, exactly. You could have an axe murderer and you'd have nothing to do with it. Sean recognizes that they would want to kill him, and I think that that is a great reminder. That's probably true.

And we will be right back. And now back to the show.

Now that we're on this, what do you find challenging as a parent? And I know the list is long because I have three kids as well. But doing what you do, and again, our jobs are no— lots of people have very busy jobs no matter what it is you do. If you work in an office or you work outside or whatever it is you do. But what are the challenges that you find? Our job is just a selfish job, honestly. You know? It's really—it's not—

Even in the best of circumstances, we're really like, well, it's all about me right now. I'm in production and I've got to go to bed or I've got to, I can't be there because my production, this, my, you know, and it's like, that doesn't, that's not the way and the travel and that's not the way kids' lives work. If something is happening for them, it's happening for them and you're missing it. And that's, that's basically it. Yeah.

So there's so much, I mean, there's so much challenging, like teenagers and what they all have to absorb and go through. And, you know, like when I go to my kids' schools and I'm there, I have three kids at three schools. And when I go and I see the energy swirling around and the kids chattering and arguing and back and forth and what's important and like struggling for hierarchy, I just think, oh my

Gosh, it's so exhausting. I forget what they've been through by the time they come home every day. Right, yeah. What do you do about the social media stuff? This goes out again to everybody, but Jen, what do you do about the social media stuff with your kids? Because I find it challenging. Well, so far, and I say, because it feels like...

Like there's judgment inherent in what I'm saying and there isn't. It's just so far I have not – I don't have kids on social media, like traditional Instagram, TikTok, all that stuff. I don't know totally everything they're on. So, you know, I could be totally wrong. Yeah, there's some workarounds there. There are plenty of workarounds. But they're not checking for likes and they're not posting themselves. Yes.

I think, you know, your rules are very different for your first than they are for your third. So don't hold me to it. But that is kind of my goal. I just say to them, guys, show me the evidence that it's good for a teenage brain. Just show it to me. And then, you know, some people say, well, my kids really, that's how they converse. They converse over Snapchat or whatever. So far, I've been able to avoid it and...

you know, we'll just keep down that, you know, and Ben and I are on the same page about it. We'll just keep down that road as best we can. Yeah. Yeah. We're trying for the same thing or sort of a limited version of it all. I want to go back to, for a second, because, you know, one of my stock questions, the theater, I need like a terrible theater story that you have, like a favorite, horrible, something that went wrong or a horrible like set that something happened on a set, mostly theater stories. Yeah.

He's just looking at check boxes. Or any kind of personal tragedy. Any sort of personal, big regret, something embarrassing. No, I like, I think theater stories are, theater stories go wrong or hysterical. Unearthed trauma would be funny. They're super relatable. I mean, I run when I, like, I basically, my instinct, I just have a lot of, and so I run onto stage or I run, you know, like I just do. So I was doing Cyrano.

at the Richard Rogers with Mr. Klein, Kevin Klein. It was heaven. It was wonderful. But I'd gotten to a spell where I fell at some point every night. And there was this, the back, the upstage was this huge staircase that was like two stories straight down, fully exposed. And I would come like, thuk, thuk, thuk, thuk,

Like really fast. It was so fun. So I'd go, and the last 10 steps, on the elbow, or I would fall in the fifth act, or I'd fall at the curtain call. I just, once you, once I started, I couldn't get my feet back under me. And people would say to me, hey, I saw you in Sierra. Oh man, you were amazing. You know, I was there the night you fell. It was every night. Did you start padding up?

I mean, I should have. You know when stunt doubles take a stair fall and they're like, well, I put a powder puff under my wig. Now, did you end up coming up with a funny line at the bottom of your tuck and roll every night? No, because it was so serious. You can't, you know, you just have to. It was so serious, yes.

- Oh my God. - It was serious. - Thanks. - Serenogous. - I wanna know about Jen. I love you mentioned Kevin Kline. He's one of those guys that I've always admired and think is so great. What was that like? I've never come close to the guy and I just, ugh. - I don't think any of us have. Have you guys ever seen him out? - Never, not once. - Where does he live? - And I lived in New York for 20 years. I never saw him. - He lives way up on the Upper East Side. He's married to Phoebe Cates. - Yeah? - They are-- - I've never seen them out, ever.

They're like king and queen of their neighborhood. He has a big show on Apple coming out, I think, that they shot in London. Anyway, he is the most literate. He's one of those people that is just always taking in art. He's always reading. There's always a play in his back pocket or something. There's just...

He's always taking in poetry and using it as a reference and it makes you kind of panic. Yeah. You got to get him on the show. Of course he is. No, wait. He's my idol. So wait, Jen. With everything that you've done, everything that you've accomplished, is there something, is there a role or a thing or something you're like, you know what? I've always wanted Blink. I've never gotten it. I still want to work for it. This was kind of it, guys. You know, I'm a friend of the pod. Yeah, sure. This was kind of it. I'm a listener. All right.

Oh, guys, when you had that Simon... LeBron? Yeah. LeBron from Duran Duran. That was cool. Yeah, he's very cool. He's very cool. It's like that Chris Farley Saturday Night Live talk show. That was cool. When you guys had LeBron and Duran on, that was cool. No, you know what? When my kids go to college, I keep...

You know, I feel like it's healthy to have something you're looking forward to besides it's just panicking. Yeah. So I think I want to go to New York and try to be, you know, there's always like a little old lady in a musical. That's my dream. When the girls go off to college, it's time to go to New York and try theater. Do it. Yeah. Right? I'll see you there. What do you want to do? Let's do it together. We'll just do it. We'll start with Love Letters.

Great. Right? Sean, that's a good one. Why don't you reimagine the Odd Couple as just a girl and a guy instead of two guys? I'm not Rappaport. I'm not Rappaport. We could call Pete Burke. He could direct us. Direct us in the Odd Couple. Could you imagine? It becomes War of the Roses. We blow up the whole stage. Yeah. So, Jen, when did you do the Apple TV, your limited series that you produced, too?

A year ago, right now. I was in production. The last thing he told me. The last thing he told me. The last thing he told me, out now on Apple TV+. It's out now? Yes, it is out right now. We shot it a year ago here in L.A. with Sometime in Austin and Sometime in Sausalito. How'd you like Austin?

I love Austin. Austin's just, what a beautiful city. It's so cool. And then you have the, everyone's drawn to the lake. It's so nice. Sorry, I just got to say, just because I keep Austin weird.

Anyway, so. Getting paid by the Chamber of Commerce there? People used to have those bumper stickers. I mean, I'm really dating myself as an old Jen. They still do. It was Portland. Yeah, the bumper stickers are still a thing. Yeah. But good callback. Great job. I'm so old. I'm such an old. All my musicals. I've just like realized that I'm old. Jen, do any of the kids want to go into this business? Have you got a sense of it?

I think we may have one, but I don't know if that child knows it yet. So I'm not going to. And how do you feel about that? Will you be encouraging if and when the light shines on him or her?

What about you, Jason? What are you going to do? I know. I feel like Franny's starting to get interested in directing, which is really exciting to me. That's really great. So we're like watching movies together and talking about all that stuff. It's kind of like how my dad and I were. I know. Just like about a year ago, right? Yeah, yeah. Maple, I think, is interested maybe in acting, but neither one is like, you know,

frothing at the mouth, super passionate about it. I'm not a big fan of kids going into this business only because you could spend all of that time studying for a career where if you're the best at it, you're guaranteed employment, you know? And this is not that. Or any form of the arts, pardon the term, you know, it's also...

you know, and so I don't know. It's tough. It's a tough business to make a big commitment to. You certainly can't say no if they become adults and that's, you know. Correct, yeah. I'll be encouraging if they're overwhelmed with desire for it. But kids acting...

little kids on set. I don't know. Well, that's the other weird part for me too. It's sort of heady where you're trying to train yourself to be other people at a time when you're learning who you are. And it's kind of heady. That's profound. Yeah, it kind of messed me up a little bit. I never thought of that. It should be done a little bit later, I think. Do you feel like sometimes you're like, am I a werewolf? Am I a werewolf also? Yeah, listen, when I don't shave, when I don't shave every other day or let my nails grow,

Yeah. Yeah, just scrape the clay. Yeah, no, it is a little schizophrenic. Definitely. Thanks for bringing it down. Yeah. Let's just take a break.

She also told us, so we're going down the Tig Notaro highlight reel. She just told this great story the other day. She went to a party, a bunch of people she didn't know, and she came out on the second story balcony, and she just screamed downstairs to a bunch of party goers that she didn't know. They didn't know her. She just said, hey, guys, sorry, excuse me. Hi, yeah, up here. I just want you guys to know I'm going to bed in like 10 minutes, okay? And they just went back into the upstairs balcony. Yeah.

And everybody's like looking at each other. She and her friend, well, she and her friend, who was she talking about? She and her friend were doing what they call party bits. And she agreed to go to this party into this house of somebody she didn't know. And she would walk into the kitchen and just kind of like slap the wall and go like, hey guys, there are like six people in the kitchen. Hey guys, I'm probably going to turn in in about 10 minutes. And they're all like, uh...

Okay, by the way, such a fucking... God, Sean, how fun is that? That is such a good bit. What are the other bits? I want to know where it's at. I want to do the thing where I want to drive around all the fancy neighborhoods in Los Angeles, like Beverly Hills and Bel Air, and then drive up to crews who are gardening and stuff and go, hey guys, you can knock off for the day. And then just be like...

Don't worry about the front, guys. Don't worry about it. I talked to the guy. You guys are good to go. And start wrapping crews who are doing work. As if you live there. Yeah, as if I live there.

That's a good party bit. Not bad. Jen, what's the rest of your day today? You're not working on something, are you? No, I'm not working on anything. No, what is my day? I'm going to... You worked out at 3 a.m. I worked out this morning. And actually, I actually have a boxing session after this. You work out all the time. I box at Pete's gym. Do you really? Is he still going in there? This is Pete Berg.

He still goes in there. Who's Pete Berg? Peter Berg is an actor, director, director, actor. Oh, Peter Berg. Yeah. I was like Pete. And has been ripped to shreds for years. Yeah. He's always in incredible shape. He can really box. He can, right? Yeah, he can really box. I boxed this morning and then my 14-year-old has just started boxing at a gym. I'd rather play rock'em, sock'em.

-Oh, remember that. -Remember? Remember that? Sean, what time are you working out today? And be honest. Oh, God. Um... -Look around. Look around. -A couple weeks.

So wait, today's Tuesday. You have a show tonight, yeah? No, our Monday's and Tuesday's. So do you have two on Saturday, two on Sunday? Are you doing seven? We're doing seven, yeah. Gosh, that's nice. Yeah, it's really, really nice, yeah. Well, what's normal? Eight. And where's the eighth show? On a Tuesday night? Tuesday, yeah. It would normally be tonight, Tuesday, yeah. But we don't, yeah.

That's really nice. It's really nice. Actually, it feels like you have a weekend. Jen, when you and Jason do your show on Broadway, when you guys move to New York, let Jason get into the deal because you guys will be on four shows a week. Oh, I know. We're going to do only matinees. That's it. I heard, I don't know if this is true, but I heard Dolly Parton, somebody came up to Dolly Parton and asked her if she wanted to do some big musical. I can't remember the name of it.

And she said, sure, I'll do four shows a week. They're like, no. Wouldn't you say yes to Dolly Parton? Yes, Dolly Parton. Who wouldn't buy a ticket even if it's four shows a week? Yeah. I would buy a ticket for the show I don't go to just to have the ticket to go to Dolly. Yeah. Did you ever go to Dollywood? Is that West Virginia? No, it's in... It's in Tennessee. It is...

So it's so great. All the rocks have Dolly music playing Dolly's music everywhere you go. The rocks have speakers. The rocks have speakers. It was the first time I'd ever seen that. And I was like, the rocks are singing Dolly Parton. And I took my grandmother, Exie Mae, and I hoisted her up over a

like a merry-go-round horse and I just I can't believe I did it now thinking back like I'm so glad I didn't break that little lady but XC May was in heaven all right so after boxing today where there's then I would imagine you're gonna pick up at least one of those kids it's

Well, yeah, I've got to pick up some kids. I have this little company called Once Upon a Farm. Yes. Yeah. So tell us what that is. Tell me about that. I don't know about that. Oh, it's actually, it's awesome. It is this all super clean, super organic kids and babies food. And it is pureed and it's cold pressed. So it's not like...

Garbage. Yeah, it's not garbage. There's no sugar added. There's nothing added. It's just pure goodness. I would eat all of that, but I would put the sugar in it. Yeah, you would shake it a little. You actually, you don't need it because it's all fresh and it's not cooked down. He loves sweet and low, though. He just loves sweet and low and everything. You could add a little sweet and low if you want. You put it in a blender, Sean. That's your business. Sean put it in a blender and then he'd add some Reese's peanut butter. What is it? This is sweet and low right there. Oh, there's sweet and low. Hi, sweet and low. That's Scotty. Thanks, Scotty. Good to see you.

Sweet lo, that's a great nickname for you. All right, so you're going to go and work on... So I have that stuff today. I have calls and stuff like that. All right, but wait, let's get... I'm trying to get to the evening time, and I want to know, I like asking this, what do you curl up and watch that you're a little bit embarrassed that you're watching? Yeah. Oh, well... Not because it's a bad show, but just because it's... I still watch...

I mean, I still watch Seinfeld pretty much all the time. But that's nothing to be embarrassed about. It's just that I've seen them all a thousand. But I'm watching Diplomat. Oh, I heard. Carrie Russell. We love Carrie. Oh, I heard that's really good. Love her. Yeah. She's so little Felicity. What's that on the Amazon? Netflix. It's on the Netflix. On the Netflix. Very nice.

The kids and I are about to start jury duty. We just need to get someone in the house passed AP exams and then we're going to watch jury duty. I hear that's good. That's got... It's really good. Jury duty's a show? Yeah, it's James. Marsden. James Marsden. James Marsden, that's right. It's really good. He's the only one who knows what's going on and the rest don't? No, they all know...

he's just playing himself as like a, he's playing a bratty actor. Right. He was prepping for it. We shot Party Down together at the beginning of last year and he was getting ready for it and he was like, what am I going into? This is, this is going to be a disaster and is it more, is it,

ethically okay to be messing with this person and there's one person who thinks he's just part of a documentary and has no idea that everyone else isn't. Yeah. This sounds really cool. They just think they're on jury duty. He thinks that they're making a documentary about this particular trial and he's the only person and everything else is made up. Oh, wow. Yeah, it's pretty cool. There's so much to watch.

And that's good for kids and adults. I mean, I don't know that it's appropriate for kids, but I feel like my kids have probably been exposed to plenty. Even Sam's watching the R-rated movies now? My 11-year-old is at times. Yeah, I think from time to time. Yeah, it squeaks through there. But you know what? Now, do you curse in front of the kids? I find that I'm starting to get very, very loose with all of that. Very loosey-goosey. Yeah. I don't. Yeah.

On purpose or you just don't curse? Do you curse a lot? You don't seem like you do. I learned to curse. I didn't used to, but I can. And I do, I mean, maybe occasionally something slips out, but I really don't want them to curse in front of me because I feel like you need to know that there are grownups you talk a certain way around or that you behave a certain way around and it might as well be me. Yeah, yeah. I really love that. You're a good mom.

Yeah. Really good mom. You know what you're doing. And you also have a busy day and we've taken up way too much of your time. Way too much of your time. You have so many things to go do more important than talking to us. But what an absolute delight to meet you. But you started our day with a nice big...

Shot of sunshine. - Yes. - Yeah. - You know-- - Thank you, Jen. - So pleasant. - At least I didn't show you my bad hair. - Let's take a look. - I can't believe that it's any-- - How can it be bad? It's long. - Let's take a look. - I don't know. We're gonna-- - Is that a scrunchie on your-- Do you have a scrunchie on your wrist?

Yeah, you got to be ready. I like to do a scrunchie. I'm always doing scrunchie bits. Oh, yeah. Watch him do a scrunchie bit. Yeah, I think my hair. And then he's ready to go. And then I'm ready to go. Thank you for that. And then stretch out the ponytail. You got to stretch it out. No, I always take, yeah, you do this. I'm always doing this with it, you know, like you're doing this. Hey, guys, did anybody see where I parted?

Where I left my hairspray. I love when Sean will pick up somebody's purse at a party and just throw it over your shoulder and go, guys, anybody need anything from CVS? Yeah, I'm just running to CVS. And which way is out? Is it that way? How do I get out of here? Also, anytime there's a candle anywhere on a table or whatever, Sean always grabs the candle and then he goes like this. He'll shield the wind from the front of it. Shields the wind. And I go, guys, the bathroom? Which way is the bathroom? Yes, which way is the bathroom?

The dumbest bit. We've now truly wasted your time. I've learned so much. Thank you, guys. Sorry, Jen. Thank you, Jennifer Garner. We love you. So good to see you all. Thank you, Jennifer Garner. Just adore all of you. Nice to meet you. Last thing you told me on Apple Plus with Jennifer Garner, go and watch it immediately. Do the right thing. Do the right thing. Bye. Bye, Jen. Bye.

Guys, how do you feel? I feel like I got a personality shower. Yeah, I feel better. I'm all clean. Speaking to a flower who is just... Yeah. Yeah.

Easy breezy lovely, you know, just fun funny talent right in the day. She made me feel better Yeah, she made the day better. You know, I am DB'd her page while we're talking. It's unbelievable like she's 8,000 credit Yeah, she's been at it for quite some time like remember 13 going on 30, which we didn't even ask her Yes, 13 going on 30. That was the movie. I was thinking about this. She did with Ruffalo, right?

I think so, yeah. Is that right? Yeah, what about dresses? Wasn't there a bunch of dresses? Did she do that one? 19 dresses? 21 dresses? I don't know. 17, 25 dresses. No, that was... Remember she was in Dallas Buyers Club with McConaughey? She was in Dallas Buyers Club. Oh my God, she was. 13 going on 30. I'm pretty sure it was... Yes, a rough along. Listener doesn't want to hear us going down her W... Well, I just looked it up. I was like, oh my God, she's...

No, she's done so much and she's always so-- I always feel like she's one of those people you're-- whatever she's in, whether it's in a movie or on TV or at something or even on a commercial, you're always like, "Boy, I'm delighted to see Jen Kramer." Yeah, absolutely. One of America's sweethearts. Absolutely. Even if she's asking me what's in my wallet, she's brightening up my commercial break.

It's true. I know. Yeah, she does a bunch of those things. And it's so delightful. And that's almost, I don't mean that. She's got that thing, that it thing that everybody talks about where you look at her and you're like, oh, she's my friend. I don't want it to sound condescending. No, no, no, no, no. Yeah, you want it like, I want to talk to Jennifer Garner. I feel like my day would feel better. Guess what? We just did. Sure enough, we did. But conversely, you know what would be awesome is to see her in some gnarly dramatic part where she's just fucking raving.

ripping somebody apart. - Tearing her apart, yeah. - Just saying, "You son of a bitch!" Just unleashing. I bet she's got that. - Dude, cool it, man. Why? - Well, I just like to see an actor go from zero to 100, right? - I don't know. - Sometimes? - Absolutely. - I don't know if everybody needs to do everything to do the thing. Be good at the thing you're good at. - Well, put it this way. Can you imagine her in a bad mood? - No. - Right? So wouldn't it be fun

in a character, in a part, to see her just like... Yeah, I guess so. It'd be like so shocking. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. Like if you were to see me in a part just being super nice and genuine to somebody. I wouldn't believe it. I wouldn't believe it for a second. But if I was doing a good job, it would be nice to see. They'd give you an Oscar. If you did that, you'd get a Lifetime Achievement Award for that. Well,

That's her. I would say like when I see her, here he comes. Oh boy. Sean, can I tell you something? I can see you coming from a mile away. He sends up a flare. Here comes the bye. If I... Can I... I never... Whenever I see... I never... I never...

I know. Wait a minute. Why don't we just go back? Start again. Why don't we just go back to saying goodbye? Why don't we just say, hey, what a great show. I'll see you guys later. Never happens. Bye. Why don't we just do that? So, so, five.

So when I see Jennifer coming towards me, I always want to say hi. I never want to say, oh. Bye. Bye.

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