"Jared Leto"
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Hey, guys, good morning.

Welcome to smile less.

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listener.

we've got our net with, I guess a shirt you're borrows from mother yeah no sleeves at all on IT. And I guess you, me, coco, just left two hung because your colors really even let .

me just say this, kay, nothing is more insulting to me. Virtually nothing than suggesting that it's a spray ten, go off yourself. I earned this.

Will you earned .

IT by sitting out doing nothing on under under the sun with some sort of like a reflective board?

Still you're sitting on, yeah.

can you get your housekeeping shit together before we start the .

record what you're doing some cord issue is going on kind of wrapped around my chair pretty much.

you know.

in order have been doing lately. And this is, this is a true story, way into this big, I know this GTA air later, but with a beautiful event last night for Jimmy, for my friend Jimmy buffet. And so just IT was awesome.

And IT was really beautiful of great speeches and stuff, and a lot of people I know. So that part of IT was amazing. And just do toneless. I did not I didn't think of the tribute at the holy wood ball, but last I did. I saw one of the I saw one of the great speeches last night that downing, who, no, no, Daniel, isn't there one of the great speeches i've ever seen as a sort of that was set up as a non roast and ended up being roast and IT really blooming .

with roasted Jimmy after his past.

Yeah, but but as a tribute to him, old friend of his, a guy has been friends with them for or of fifty, fifty, sixty years and IT was just IT was so good in our french time fren, who's a friend of the podcast, made a great .

speech you vents had yet no.

i'm going to is the most interesting man of the plan. Make a deal can't we're looking to because he wants a peace and and he said, send me over the numbers. I want to look and .

see we time fresh and I met time .

to run mtv. T I totally .

know him.

He's dude histories. Are he just the best? And I think he's running a book right now, which it'll be, anyway, yeah, I was just IT was so so, so good but the reason I bought IT up with this at this thing made, and so many people are now this thing.

People go when they go either why you you're really ten or why you so ten, right? And people can help themselves what make a personal remark and I go, and I go go. Why are you're so ten to go? Thank you so much, right? And I just take .

that as a compliment. Is a you hold .

color like like A I you're from brazil. I don't understand that you're you figure the toronto, you know like why you why do you .

color so well, I was walking bounds card.

Yeah, we just .

burn lady .

everyday.

Man, you're so ten .

when we .

get what minds button shine hold IT guy.

I know we're talking .

about our color and our golf you you'll wait is my color is got a hard v right under the chin right from from the hot shirts I wear and and then the little you know where the shorts leave ends, whatever that is, that there's that time line and then there's the forehead time line because i'm wear a sporty visor yours yours is like you're outside .

more in the law with nothing on but .

like flip flops yeah ah .

I are people OK with their bones with you describing your vi dad, we just said a bone epidemic. But you know what IT is. I spent a lot of time like, you know me you guys i'm not like out in the cuban actually was last month. I mean, the pool I made the pool with the kid. I wasn't the cream about the go.

So that's part of IT and .

we got to go for shown. Well, I my I have this friend who tan's is tint .

yeah that's .

like a thing .

is really so you like you can completely .

naked isn't like bleaching? I don't know.

no. Mh.

that's where you all the line. I know about ten years, but not about reaching.

And yeah, I don't know anything about you.

Yeah, how do are you fuck and we come. This is a great, great segway into our high class guest gang. I guess this week is enormously accomplished and too completely separate, but very public careers, and has done so while remaining incredibly private and avoiding, for the most part, all the trappings of a hollywood life.

He's an actor in a musician. You to not a celebrity in a rockstar. OK in the movie world has received numerous nominations and awards, including an Oscar, a sag, a golden globe.

He's work with some of the greatest directories of our time, including venture, mali stone and oski village. As a musician, he's been the front man of a of his band for over twenty six years. Theyve sold over fifty million albums and toward the world multiple times.

He's quite little, been deeply involved in charity and the business world in the few remaining three minutes. As in his life, he's funny. He's easy.

On the eyes is a cap corner, I believe is available. Let's help out of guys. This is jared leto. I.

hi, hi. I'm very.

i'm proud .

to say .

here and I know each other a little bit. I wish I was, but you know, he's busy now. Um where do we find you?

Uh, invite me in iwa today .

on a are we are acting or musician?

We just started the U. S. Leg of our world tour this season. World tour, shout out to tracing wisconsin were .

in content.

Thank you. Last two shows, we were in moai and then in a cdt.

Oh, wow.

Well.

what's good? Yes, what's creat .

is a beautiful little town. And the Miller, nowhere and today were in demand.

So way this could dot in in wisconsin.

Ah alright .

and way how do .

you guys how do you guys know each other?

Um how just for the crossing pass through out our start as Youngsters in the .

base is .

they caiano, I think was the first time on our little trip to to ski town.

I have no idea.

maybe I don't know, but I ve been very fond of you for a very long time. Mister, i'm so glad to be able to talk to you. Focus for an hour here.

Yes.

this is all appreciated. And this is actually my I think it's my first pocket i've .

ever done really. So i'm going .

to fuck at our big time list.

jered. Here's what if I can say anything about pocket. This is the first time any of us had done one when we started four years ago, and we have not got any Better. I would say worse I I.

worse some pyjamas. I thought someone might ma, here's the .

state paja pants and the fucking hoody and the city. T sure.

before we jump into how brilliant you are in your music and you're acting what you're so good looking, what do you do for .

your skin look? And this is for we're done .

with your skin.

No, it's kind of amazing.

How how do you are you over fifty two?

I mean, honestly, you can play and I mean this and and I love everybody here, including you jerk, because now you're with us. You could play Jason sun and I swear you .

could but you know, he was so much Better .

than me and i'm saying he about you.

right? So tired. So you are you're starting the domestic leg of the of the international tour or world tour. And but this is what what lap around the planet with this be for you guys. It's you've done IT a few times.

Yeah six or seven hundred.

probably six seven hundred .

and joking we we started we actually didn't tour for her about six years. Um IT was covered and then we were finishing an album. Um so the last time we did a world towards like twenty eighteen at some dates and twenty nine um but we just we did a few festivals last year and then we started uh this year I was filming troon and then for four months.

easy.

And then I had I had a couple weeks where we went to south amErica to start the tour. And then after trim was done, we were off to europe and just did seven, eight weeks in europe.

which was A, I don't know you guys thought, did you start, did you announce your tour that I see this to you climb? Yes, yeah, yes. I saw that. You just art.

just go here and take forty five minutes to tell us about this.

Ah a little to launch the door and .

on you know exactly you .

don't jup .

ahead. Who comes up at this idea? Let's talk about planning first. You're a rock liar. So this wasn't out of the blue.

No, no. I mean, i've climb buildings before, and i've always been obsessed with, yeah not obviously not like that, but i've always been a really fascinated by the empire state building .

since I was a kid. Know, wow, can right? Just like IT up there.

So how does that? All right, as I did a tiny bit rock climbing with my dad when I was a kid and enough to know that you is a certain kind of shoe. It's a boot as a friction friction boot. I think it's called maybe something like that. Um no, not at all is close but you you discuss the rock climbing .

shoe yeah and .

you need some sort of something judges out of a flat surface to be able to kind of some kind of A A grip onto a building almost by definition is is flat. So what makes you think you climb multiple buildings? How can you get up there?

How do you do at window cells? Little know if there's kind of a stone feature? Yeah, use those. But but a lot of times it's just the the structure that features on the building.

You hooked in something or you just free style yeah I mean.

you know, we went to the empire stay building and they said no about one hundred times of what kind of yeah we have asked and we had we had to uh, IT was too big of an undertaking and there's a huge section of the building that's not climbable. I mean, that is how about the whole.

Yeah.

but IT was fun, man. IT was IT was an incredible adventure. And to sit up there for we'd actually did IT two days in a row of a data climate.

Another data wait. So you're standing on the side. What you're scouting IT, right? You're got to take a look at IT up close first.

And you you you recognize that there is a path that IT is doable. That in other words, that first window sill you can literally reach and start your climb means stuff like that. I just yeah the first day .

of the first yeah yeah the first step is is is getting them to say yes, getting permits to be able to do IT. Um no they did ah because I I think you know what they are big concern .

actually .

in for on top of body and some climate friends mind that looked at IT A A gun in Alexander from free solo uh at doing that at one point and had decided really that the first section of IT was probably not climbable unless we wanted to die. But the only way that I was able to do IT was to get permission to get permits um and I had to be roped up for the sections that I climb, the sections that were climbable but IT was amazing and so then .

you were going to free climate .

yeah I mean there there's a lot of terminology that is confusing with climbing but yeah, I had to be rope up while I climb. Ed a, the empire state building. Had I not, I would be dead because I did fall. And it's it's a very, very difficult client is not something you can just count to do without a rope.

Know that every night, and this is true, Jason, you test this every single night. You get rope up right? You don't smoke IT, I guess you chew IT you get you you got to head to full the road every night.

What is second? So i've seen a lot of, I loved all those, like free solo and one, the other one about the guys who client to bet all those, those amazing shirt s told, you know that story. They climb, ed, all those peaks. What was that one? They climb, like the seven .

peaks was .

IT yeah mean but sort of that the kind of the one consistent thing about all of them was that they just had this the thing that I don't think most people have, which I guess you have, which is that sort of they're missing that thing of having fear that most of us have, which that I have. I start to get weak, my knees get weak when I climb a latter, that a move ten feet, you know, fuck man, if I fall, i'm gonna die, right? And would.

So my question is for you, is because all those people seem to have and you have IT, did you always have that? Or did you kind of that? I just, over time.

develop now I still get. I experience fear when i'm climbing all the time. I mean, that's what keeps you alive. But I climb with alex quite a bit. He's a good friend.

I climb with the Jimmy chen who is about to go to, I think he's gona ski down everest or something crazy but yeah these guys, uh um you know they're professionals. I'm an amateur. Uh you know I do this for fun as a hobby for me, but there are a lot of times you have to negotiate with fear.

You have to have a conversation with yourself. And it's a fascinating thing because your i've never heard people talk about death more than friends of man that are climbing all the time. You know it's a common you're really close to death and I think in a way you really also maybe a bit closer to life, right?

I free dive as well and you know that something where you're always having a conversation with yourself about negotiating your limits, negotiating fear um but I don't know. I love IT. I think it's really fun at at the end of the day is just .

fun as every time that you actually be got really close to that that moment of that yeah like.

oh yeah yeah I was climbing. I looked in red rock where I live. I live in the bata now, by the way, of their during code.

Oh, oh. And I lived ten minutes from some of the best rock climbing in the world. And I was out there climbing with him one day. And my rope got cut .

and I was .

about rock. I was about, yeah, six hundred feet up, about two. I was climbing and overhanging about six hundred feet, uh, off the ground. And I knew I was gna fall, which is actually you pretty Normal and climbing you you sometimes you fall a couple of times and that's how you learn that how you get Better.

that how you can make IT through and just and for Tracy, like the the you fall, but you don't fall to the ground because you've got a carribean into the rock at some sourced. You're only falling that that distance, which is maybe what, twenty feet.

something like that, exactly. Sometimes IT could be fifty feet IT be two feet IT really depends on on, on the situation. But alex was ahead of me, and he was placing the gear. I took a fall.

I swang out over the six hundred foot of this, and as I was swinging, I felt the rope go 啪， 啪啪啪。 No, I put up and I could see IT started get core shot at the top. I saw the White in erds of the road about, and I knew in those few seconds, million seconds, maybe that I was probably gonna die.

And if if I didn't grab a hold of the wall when I swung back in, I was, that was IT. So I swang back in to the wall, and I want to grab IT at the last minute. H, I lost IT nice out again, but I yelled, lower me to alex.

Unfortunately, he heard me, uh, IT was a very windy day, and he was about a hundred feet above me, a on top of this mountain, because he couldn't see me. I was on the overhang and as I said, ah, you're lower me. He lowered.

So the next time that the rope got cut was in a different spot. In that time, I managed to make IT on the wall and he figured out how to get down because he's superhuman and we had to cut the rope and kind of negotiate away down the mountain. But body would be good.

Yeah, like, too, I wouldn't been. First of all, the clothing I was wearing would have to be thrown out. Yeah, just I would be painted, be filled with deficit show one time.

What was the thing? Shi you at the grove guti parked on p4， and you taking the stairs all the way down, right? Because there was broken. Yes.

that's right. That was my scarious.

That was the story at .

the end of IT. Alex is like, you want to do IT again.

I was like.

you're at your .

fucking line ah.

and we will be right back.

And now back to the show.

But you're I talk to me about how you what is what is that conversation with yourself when you negotiate with yourself about fear because i'm sure it's not just exclusive to rock climbing. It's about um you know getting up in front of thousands and thousands of people um performing with with thirty seconds mars or taking on seventies and credibly ambitious roles which you you pull off like no one's business um what is that?

How is I mean, I know it's a deeply personal conversation people have with themselves about kind of gearing up for first stuff and asking yourself to give what you got um but you know give us as much as your comfortable giving about because you you clearly have a lot of um it's not it's not confidence. It's just um it's what you tell me what IT is because you have IT. 嗯嗯。

我 还没有 think I appreciate IT， but I think you guys to do that all the time, I mean some of the series stuff to scare me more than a lot of things to speak front of.

a lot of people up on stage with a spotlight as myself.

with a microphone stage most nights of the week as you are as well. And you know even this is a public stage. It's so that that can always, you know, when you're just up there in a two, in your words, that can be a little intimidating.

But I don't know. I think you know there's an inevitability like what i'm on tour, you have to go on stage. And the weird thing about being maybe you guys have felt this as well. Um I feel more comfortable on stage then I knew sitting here talking to you or I would talking to a person at dinner like I feel once.

The show is that character, the music .

is that being on stage, the total option. It's the revelation of oneself. It's showing and sharing who you really are. You know what? We're not really quick.

I just can say at my wedding to scatty in my husband, there was like ten people and I think we were going to do like a thousand. And my opening in my wedding bows, I said, I feel incredibly comfortable in front of thousands of people or one person. But this is right in the middle that that's.

I feel the worst. Yeah, yeah.

no yeah. Sometimes I have an acoustic guitar. I'm sitting there in the middle of an arena somewhere in IT.

Just feels very low. No, that is absolutely amazing. It's so comfortable. It's so i'm totally a peace and um it's a magical thing. By the way, we're all this similar ages and you know have to say was stuck. My brother and um you know my my brother's a massive fan of the show.

Well, no, I he's .

been telling me from the very beginning, you gotta listen to the show. You got to listen text to me all the time of, my god, this happened on the show cause I N.

喂， Jerry, you know that I know channel, we have mutual friends. I know change a for people that .

don't know that listening. He's the Better half of thirty seven band yeah .

and you know to be .

fifty two at this point and to be on the on the road with your brother, yeah like there's not a night that goes by where and not look at him and just you share a moment of gratitude how lucky we are.

I want to come back to that before we leave this thing. Um is just so I IT close the loop on IT IT sounds like what you're saying is there's there's there's a belief in yourself that you find at the most critical moments that feels you through something that might be insurance able to some others that might not have that level of belief that are your ability to go through something that that might be really super chAllenging.

Is that what IT is? One of the thinking that I actually don't have anything special to offer. I really believe that everyone could basically do anything that I do.

Yeah time they want to it's it's a matter of a little bit of face and a lot of hard work. That's how I look at that. I think everybody could.

But what's the faith I guess that that support is is faith in yourself is believe that you can get that done and that you, you, you, you have the opportunity to make yourself proud and you're probably not .

going to let yourself down in the people around you to you the people around you that that's a big driver for me is to kind of to make sure I don't let anyone down with that working on a film or on on stage. And you know the great saying that I found out about being on timing on stages like i'm not there for me. I'm there for the audience and for my brother, and I am in service every night to make sure the person that, uh, worked there are as off to buy a concert ticket which aren't cheap these days, by the way, has the night that they're never gonna get yeah and I am in search of that yes, every night, all night.

And that's a lucky and I think it's I also I also have a similar thought process, which is there are a thousand people who can do what I do. And I think about IT all the time and .

I might be a big ger number.

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greatest area any given time.

Sorry me.

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对， 我很喜欢。

No, no, no, no, I get you're angry. So so, so, so but I when I wanted to know about was when you it's interesting when you like, you don't want to disappoint you, you let body down.

And when you're on tour in your own stage, is that your brother? Is that shining? And when you're working on a film, is that all the people around you, that the people at home, is that an idea, a sort of a general idea of letting people down? Like is that something you've always had?

No, I think it's all of the above. Um and you know I don't Carry that with me as a burden. I can not for me that's fuel and fire.

And I don't know when you guys feel this way too, but when i'm on said I feel like it's my job to trying to be one of the hardest working people on the set. Yeah, my job to absolutely deliver every single time that I come to. Sad, of course you gonna fail, but that's the goal. Yeah, to be over prepared to know midler es, to know your lines, to know that to have a thousand ideas to bring to the table and to do IT and to really just to die for IT and to also try to be the kindest person that I can be every single day and to be supportive and be a good partner. Like those are the simple things that that kind of continue to get me through IT.

But when you're as prepared as you are, like you just described, that eliminates fear.

That's true. Yes, that's very well sad. I think preparation is definitely a confidence builder. And you know, sometimes if I haven't been on tour for a long time, and like, and we have a huge show and there is a ton of people out there, and i'm like, oh my god, how what do I do? And then you get out there and you just your body all .

of this sounds like a really, really, really good work ethic and and a deep sense of discipline um and focus. Um did you have that as a Young kid was at something that that your mom taught you, uh was IT discovered in school. You just kind of come out of the .

box with IT my mom yeah my mom was that is a great teacher yeah you know she's um in a large part I dedicated my Oscar speech to my mother and I had an opportunity. Always think like, by the way, I never thought that I would win a single award .

in my entire life that was deserved.

Never, never, never, never, never would happened to me, never, ever. So I was like, well, i'm going to uses as an opportunity to to really think the people in my life that have, that have inspired and encourage me in in first and form as as my mom and my mom SHE was a single mom.

We are a really poor um and you know like foot I was born in Louisiana as was my brother and you know my mother was high school dropout but put herself um back through school with two kids say goodnight um and and got a nursing degree and really worked and thought really hard to make a Better life for her son. Watch yeah and I saw that and I saw her due. If there was a shift that came up, SHE would take that.

I saw her do those extra, I don't know um but there were these really long shift at least twelve hours and then he would do night shifts. And I saw her work and I saw her dedication and I watched her educate herself. I watched her um and he taught me a lot um so and he was always very creative and really kind of broke the mold and her family yeah so that would that was a big lesson for me.

All right. So you leave louie and a where you go from there, where is, where is? Where does the acting in the music box start to buy you?

Yeah.

well, I was in art school and studying to .

be a painter.

Oh yeah, there's nothing you can do like.

no, after A A stent. It's funny. You know, i'm negotiating my head things that I want to talk about enough because I actually don't talk about a lot of this .

stuff um we appreciate that .

the fact that you is something in my life too I like i'm negotiating as well of like you know how how do you you know what do you share .

what you're not as yeah .

i've been less precious and fun .

about a safe interview.

I've always felt, yeah, yeah and then you know you want to share things and you know it's beautiful this .

year I say this maybe this a prime little bit. So I I been joking recently that I know i've been saying to people for a guy who's a loud mouth know at all me, I know embarrassingly little about art. And it's been like this blindspot that i've had my whole life and and I kind of started to own IT recently.

And as from the moment I started saying that i've started meeting all these artists, painters, I met three. I've met three new painters in the last twenty four hours alone, who revealed to me, oh, i'm a painter. And so i've been taught, and i've been reading this book about the cooling and boring these guys about, but i'm reading this book about been it's kind of like now because we've been putting out there has been coming. And I said to, I thunder, my partner this morning, we wrote our bikes down of the beach and out here, long G I, I rode my bike down at the beach and I said, I can't believe i'm saying this. I think .

i'm going to start painting.

Yeah I get IT and and I mbaru. I feel like a fucking in ly SHE and I don't give a shit. I love IT.

I think it's I fucking feel IT and I don't know anything. I really don't. I'm a fucking novice of novices, but I feel really connected to IT.

That's awesome. Yes, yes.

Do you still do a here?

You know, I don't paint that much. I draw sometimes, and I put a lot of my creative energy. And by the way, I think that's one of the important things in life that is to keep learning, to keep I always say, I love to be the dumbest guy in the room, and that's a fascinating room to be.

I have .

yeah unfortunately, I have the opportunity to do that quite a bit.

But now I think .

it's great to continue to learn to do new things and um you know be to be a beginner again.

you do get nee deep in the art work for the album and stuff work yeah too .

much probably. I'm the guy that makes like a thousand different .

album covers I think. But album aren't work always consistently been like to me like really or like the concert t shirt designs and all that kinda big radio head every .

three days we're doing a new teacher, design something consistent thing, and I love. But with the album mark work, I did a thousand different covers. And then, you know what I did? I, I, I did this little art project where I was taking a photo of the sky every day right after about three months. IT gets really annoying, by the way, i'll tell you, I i'd say to my assistant, I bet I can you just grab .

that photo today?

sure. IT wasn't from the same place today.

but it's anywhere you are, just like it's all I forgot. And then you try to make up. Anyway, I had hundreds of photos of these guys, and I thought, oh, maybe that's an other cover. So I did ten different, different covers, just basically cell phone pictures of the sky. And that ended up being kind of the the the the basis of our work for a new album, let's go, is called at the end of the world.

But it's a beautiful. Here not my .

hear .

you so bad, hearing is so bad. Jared.

you reminded me of .

a the same guy.

They give me this really cool documentary about you directed where you you simultaneously filmed a day in the life of fifty different of the fifty different states, is that might describe. I did .

something called the day in life of amErica album. Our previous alm twenty teen was called america. yeah. And I was that time when the world was kind of get a little, a little wild that still hasn't recovered, I think is specifically america.

But anyway, yeah, I was inspired by book that I had when I was a kdh on geographic, where they took photos in every state a single day. So we sent camera cruz, where he had ninety two cruise all over the country, every state import go, and as well in alaska. And we made this a meary about the a kind of one day.

And IT was fascinated. We had the birth of a child. We had someone passed away on camera. And I was like, IT was really, we saw at all.

and I was unfortunate. You like how do how do you like directing and then directing uh, narrative versus documentation? Um I I know you do a lot of producing too. Is that those areas you're looking to change yourself as well?

I started often, I I was a painter and in our school, and then I took photography class, and I got obsessed. Be in the dark room. No, I don't if you guys have ever done that, but that's a really fun thing to do to kind of shoot and develop beer.

Go head. Well, that's .

a great.

Come back here.

I want to talk, I want to know about you becoming a painter. Like when what was that like what .

I grew up around, my mom was not had a happy mom and he had a lot of really creative and um I always thought that I would either be a painter I don't know.

My dad was a put painter and photographer .

for real well yeah yes. So I I love both those things and he really awesome. Uh my mom is a great photographer and I grew up around seeing her photos and he taught me a lot about photography when I was a kid.

Um so one day I was the school had like a performing arts section to IT. I would go and watch the actors and I always thought, man, that is terrifying. They are so brave what they're doing run around out there on stage and I didn't understand any of that. I was like, this is just insane but I asked the school um um I started taking a film class like films as kind of you know find art not not like film as cinema, the hollywood movies um so I fell in love with that and s no.

no, we will go.

They had like box cameras. You and you make yeah shoot film like White film. And then you d have to send IT a way to get developed.

And we would we would edit using razor blades and tap and I mean, IT, there was in a single computer. Remember, the first computer that came in to that art school was a macintosh. And everybody used that just at the corner.

Yeah, yeah. So anyway, I, I, I was studying painting. I fell on photography. I took a phone class, I switched my major of film, and then I asked the school to create a class for directors about acting. And I bothered.

I went there maybe two hundred times, and the lady kind of looked at me, frustrated to one day and says, you know what? I admire your persistence. I know he does that mean .

directors for acting um .

acting for directors sorry, acting for directors 是 acting for directors。 So I thought like OK study film, even though was a kind of art fd fine art film, yeah but we should understand what acting is right? I have this little secret I was, I thought this is interesting.

Yeah yeah. And you ve got more attention in your mind than than directing.

Well, I they created the class after I bug them. And there was, like, I don't know, maybe four, five people we are doing, you know, acting like animals and doing these experiments and I don't know how much I learned in that class but um shortly after that, I I had dropped out of college. I ended up in california to pursue acting, music and acting. Yeah.

that's awesome. unbelievable. It's really, it's really cool. Are you been able to keep but it's just like, you know I said this sort of my crap intro that you have you've been incredibly successful in both of these careers like enormously successful yeah yet you've managed to not know lean in and take take debate and and eat the junk food that that propels that kind of success and not into celebrating ess if that's a word. And .

well.

we all fail a lot, right? I mean, I would say I fail more than anybody that I know. I fail all .

you just get to know me yeah yeah but like but I felt .

this point. It's like you don't get sucked into that. Is that a conscious decisions?

You say no to a lot of things because you would like to stay private. You say no because you don't want to deal with that. I mean.

well, is just not .

you yeah I mean, i'm actually an introvert and which is bizarre because of my choices out there as far as work .

movie star rock and didn't seem like a perfect spot for an introvert to live.

You really mean yes, it's a strange thing, but you know what? I'm done with the show. I literally .

the show.

yeah I go to the the hotel room, get food and turn on net x. And in washington.

we'll be right back.

And back to the show.

What is what do .

aside from that sort of that that decompression routine of just kind of getting quiet, getting by yourself, watching the TV, is there anything else that you can really rely on that gets you to to your small self? And is like, is that reading is IT? Is there like A A video game that you play, or whatever an APP on the phone? Or like from a William I we play like fricking word games on the APP sometime on the phone and give that golf sometimes gets us, you know quiet.

Yeah, for me, I have work. I love your work. That's my favorite thing in the world to do.

I, I love to work, work and work some more. And if I have some time, I like to climb. yeah. And then I like to free dive, which I just started a couple of years ago.

I want to free time off.

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that when you say free to a lot of people think jumping off a Cliff SE OK yeah yes, free diving is either people focus on depth, um people focus on time. There's static diving.

There's free diving. What the of depth are we talking about? right?

I like to dive through caves.

That's my, but not .

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a tank.

right? There's no way out well.

but again, I A beginner, I might begin a .

rock climate beginner, a free diver. yeah. And i'm epistle building in your diamant cave, so you do.

And okay, how long can you stay under? You can stay under. Let me, let me guess. Let me get me let me guess along.

You can hold your breath and and I know this over simplify things that done or down for our city. It's i'll bet that you can get to three minutes pretty easily. Uh, uh, shang, you have any guesses?

I was just thinking about how long I can get stay under proposal when .

you choke yourself out. How long stay before when .

I get when I get my belt around the the top of the George what i'm .

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eight ten minutes reactor whatever you come .

back up don't know you don't have to know that's .

IT I yeah wow.

Okay, you just think, why don't you just like take up reading men or something, jump in off clips or swimming in the class?

What you just get involved with the crown you know there's a see, you watch.

there are a lot of shows i've never seen that i've been waiting to see.

What do you want to see? What do you want to see that you feel like you missed?

What was the a game of thrones? I never saw first other way, I never saw the simpsons. I never saw the family. I never saw park me too but I did see a ozark. And I would annoying the email, Jason, uh often with um you know thoughts on the plot developments and characters and how much I love the show and just you know kind of .

funding but when you give me notes that reminded were locked which is locked. So this IT compliments I A question .

for all three of you because you're all um wonderfully sober. But do you think you do these these climbings, these divings? They are like all these things because they take the place. It's a rush that takes the place of a drug.

No, I don't think so. I find them to be very peaceful when I climb and when I dive. I mean, you're really you have to remain peaceful if you're hundred feet under the water. Sometimes it's wild is you have this you do have a conversation about death with yourself because it's gary sometimes and then you have these moments of peace that are just outstanding.

It's almost like a drug sometimes alcohol at this for me was sort of the fun of kind of escaping from being inside myself and kind of, you know, adding a little this and adding a little of that going to sort of a different version of myself. Or as IT sounds like your experience is, is the opposite. Arrow IT is just a real internal thing.

And what IT compose you into the moment? Yeah, being on the stage, being on the water, climate, iraq, that you have to be present. You don't have try.

And you not thinking about your phone, you're not thinking about your job, your girlfriend, your boyfriend, you know talking about any that you're thinking about what's right in front you. So it's it's incredibly simple and and primary. I think yeah.

I just know that I don't think i've been wonderfully sober. I think I i've had a few missteps over the years, definitely. And it's for me, it's been a IT has been a process for me and where we say canada, a process.

But but we but you know you get to know yourself a bit Better and I do find those things IT is it's a combination of what jerk when Jason said, which is for me about being present and being OK with being present in trying to accept where I am. It's it's all about is all about paralysis and all that sort of stuff, and realizing IT being in realizing where you are and where you sit in the world. I don't know about you guys. I've thought IT not to a crazy degree, but i've been thinking a lot more about my mortality yeah, the last few years .

on the back .

side yeah and I think, and I think about, I was saying last night I went, I was Jerry man to heard me works ing on about this memory went to and I was like thinking about, we all are here for this one visit. We're not making another thread with five minutes. We're on this. We're Better be good and we Better be happy. And i'm just and we're all just trying to figure out how to get .

I think i'm coming back. I to come back .

is jji.

But when jack, I have two questions really fast. One is about tron because i'm a huge fan.

He's a big size I fan jar that brought .

to on and blade .

runner were the .

two movies that really changed my life isn't been .

on both yeah .

bizarre. So I living in my simulation over here for sure. Yeah right.

What can you tell us about chron?

We we we ve been developing for most ten years and well, it's called tron areas .

is IT pick up where the last one .

that in a way yeah does yeah yeah does so um i'm super excited. And for me like one one of the highlights who is working with jeff bridges.

I was any conversations with on this one oh god.

he's just the best. I had one take where I had that literally I D say cut and they were like, what's wrong with something guys I was like, no I just can't stop bucking smiling yeah .

if he's every you know .

it's money back guarantee that all the fucker gives you everything. But I think .

it's a great idea. And greg me from wrong isn't IT where the tron world gets transferred into the real world?

Yeah.

little bit the .

terminator thing where the that technology comes out to earth.

And so mart IT puts in in context that we can, and I hope, but Better, maybe too.

for like, and then tell me, because I love, because I do a lot of theater. I love horror stories about live shows, and I know you do a lot of live shows. Was there any kind of crazy, like fan interaction? Somebody rushed the stage every night.

completely lost the layout night night we just played, I mean, the show. And cdt, who was thinking diable? I mean, I fell in love with like the entire audience IT was the crazy group of like, chick kicking and awesome americans you've ever seen in your life.

You absolutely insane. There are two people stress, like metal juice. Another guy came. I literally brought a guy on stage who is wearing visit in american flags peto. Or is this just, I had a amErica .

that's where I went. Well.

yeah, so, but let me tell you, I was just like I was smiling in the whole time. I'm so grateful to be in front of these people and and IT was just incredible so yeah i've had the worst things happen um and and and the most amazing we we every night there's a catastrophe of some kind like the mike goes out, you fall over and right ah you're .

playing all these major, major cities around the world but I also also see here got a couple of so that was coming up in cash stone and an ezer by john is like, what's yeah what's .

IT like touring .

all these incredible corners of the earth? Do you get out and like, visit the local markets and have time to to to to plant for a day to you? You on to the next place .

always oh absolutely. I you know even yesterday, I I bought a bicycle a couple days ago was consent so we just take out after the show, before the show on the day off explosions yeah and you know this this uh, summer we were in paris and in london, but we're also in poland and we're right italy and and were had IT to sweet and and to cassia stone is just incredible.

Do you have a thing that is a constant in each one of these cities that you like to check out? There will be the food of the museums, or the churches, or the the or the whatever you you just like, I have to see there.

No, I think you know, what i'd love to do when i'm on tour is i'd love to walk around the cities and can't get away from the thereas and walk through like residential and see how people are living and finance a really good way to feel the culture of a specific place. But the nice thing is it's not going to pull. And for the first time, it's going for like the tenth time, the fifteen, the time because you find you go back to that restaurant that you found you know seven times ago and you have a connection with the people in the place on the food.

Yeah I want to see play. You have any plans to come through l anytime soon.

Yeah you know we are we didn't um put on a date on this tour. Yeah strategically we actually are going to play a show next year, which is the twenty of the anniversary of our breakthrough on which was called a .

beautiful lie.

Yeah and we are going to play a show .

in los Angeles .

is to celebrate.

And do you give a big and we make news.

you know, we're making news, but IT will either be a hollywood ball or a forum or something .

like that yeah shared is there you've .

done so many things. Is there something you look at other people doing that you won't do? You're like, hope I dive, I climb, I do movies. I play in front of million.

You yeah theater .

really .

be so good.

I'm going to tell you why.

And it's because I have so much respect for IT. And yeah, I know how hard IT is because i've had so many friends do IT that. Um I just feel like i'd rather enjoy that then be a part of IT.

um. I'm also on stage a lot as IT is, so I don't have maybe the same each the other people may have to kind of perform life because i'm getting pretty satisfied on the other side of IT. But man.

what are you going to make a prediction that you're going to do? You're going to do a play in the next five years and you going to a in a tony, just like, sweet honey.

Yeah, I know.

Congrats on that.

I heard that you not be surprised when I hit you with the text. When you come to town next year, i'm going to come uh rush the stage with my um um speedo flag outfit.

But I was I would love for you to come, I would love for you to .

come .

and introduce the song so great you can .

sing a song. You play .

the drums and you can in the shower you don't but I think you so so so so much for this hour but I hate that it's got to be a podcast so that we .

can visit but i'll take take what I can get um and and it's an absolute honor to be here with you guys and i'm i'm really blown away what you've created .

at something so special it's more bad people and you know my brothers is .

going to be sight .

that didn't tell him I was doing IT this .

morning that enjoy the .

rest forest yeah .

you fresh IT you actually .

pologize .

for being here .

and you .

can do you like.

yeah that is a that is that shared little I I just love the guy is just always so smooth and personable, honest, real I could .

have talked preferred two more hours .

and get a number that.

Um but you know he's like I didn't want to embarrass him with the with the acting stuff um because I know that like like walk like they both like for my money top five actors in the world and they just don't like to talk about how fucking great they are and the roles that they do and the process and probably listens I wanna AR about that should either you know the no but he's fucked and so god good so good job and .

you're so right and that is one of those things that those the great actor is all kind of share, which is they don't talk about their .

processing that do .

not like, hey.

it's like a magician like i'm not telling me how the fuck and trick .

goes just to enjoy IT yeah they're they're not looking for. They're like let the performance speak for itself and and know something about my life itself. I'm not kind of walk you through so that you're impressed with .

my my process, right? Or you're starting to identify those things you heard him talk about the next time you see the performance instead of like enjoying sort of like you pretending that he somebody else, which is all it's about, right? Yeah yeah he's well .

but he's good is decided he's really good at what he yeah .

and what .

he does and then he has and and it's it's bon, right? Yeah you can't call IT a sideline.

Yeah no. Right now, it's arguably more successful than his acting career potentially. I mean, fifteen million albums and it's been it's been around for twenty six years and they're the playing arenas. You know, come on, that's like winning an Oscar every year .

and that works so hard. He works harder than than you obviously shown right now working on a buy.

So I was working.

I was going to .

look at what he wants to ask for.

K, because I know you want to ask you for what was the name of the movie, what is IT .

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