#541 - Death, Love & OnlyFans - Calera, Alabama
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Hello, everybody, and welcome back to Small Town Murder. Yay! Oh, yay, Jimmy is on it today. Yay, indeed, Jimmy. Yay, indeed. My name is James Petrigallo. I'm here with my co-host. I'm Jimmy Wissman. Thank you so much for joining us on another amazingly fun episode of Small Town Murder. Crazy, weird, dark stuff here. We're going to go back to Alabama this week. It's

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Shut up and give me murder. Let's do this, everybody. Let's go on a trip. Here we go. We're going all the way to Alabama. Golly. Here we go. This is Calera, Alabama. How do you spell that? C-A-L-E-R-A. Calera, Alabama. Almost like the disease. It's Calera, Alabama. Let's go, everybody. Any other Oregon Trail ailments here? Dysentery, Georgia, are we heading to next week?

So Calera, Alabama, it's in central Alabama. And this, by the way, if you're going, this sounds familiar. We did this case for the virtual live show. So we do the virtual live shows like every six months. And then six months later, we'll do it as a regular show because you know what? It's a story that we have done already. So I'm not going to just throw it away. We're doing, and it's a

We pick great stories for live shows, so it's a good one here. Central Alabama. It's about 35 minutes to Birmingham. Go up there. It's about three hours and 15 minutes to Chunchula, Alabama. Oh, boy. Which was the last Alabama one before this, which was Bargain Bin Bundy. Oh, yeah. If you remember. And then we did another Alabama, but that's another story. So this is in Shelby County. Okay. And the motto here is,

Wow. They're pushing hard to the rack here. The heart of the heart of Dixie. Oh, the heart of the heart. You see, there's a heart right there in the middle. That's the heart where the left ventricle of the heart. That don't have this doesn't have the same. Yeah, I don't. It doesn't. It doesn't.

It's too many syllables. Aorta, maybe, is a heart thing. I'm looking in this book. The valve of the heart. No, that don't sound good. Nobody likes Vs in there. That doesn't work. Heart of the heart of Dixie. Perfect. Heart of the heart. Heart of the heart of Dixie. So it is Dixie through and through here. Incorporated in 1893, Calera gets its name from the Spanish word that means limestone.

Oh, does it? I suppose so. Or it did in 1893. The town was known as Lime Kiln Station before it was incorporated. And then they said, well, that sounds like... It sounds gross. That sounds like a filthy industrial shithole. Let's change that name. That sounds smoky. Lime Kiln Station does not sound good. That's like when they give them names and numbers...

Yeah. Like some of them were like this town was called like Area 62, Space 5 before it was called Pleasant Town or some shit. You're like, okay, that's weird. Yeah. The location was in the heart of the lime producing area of the state. Didn't know. One of the largest chemical lime producing areas in the United States. Oh, it makes that? Yeah. Who the hell...

Who thinks where do they make chemical lime at? Unless you're trying to get rid of a body quickly, you'd really have no need to even think about it. Oh, boy. So it was established, this county, in 1818. And the county was named for a revolutionary war hero and the first governor of Kentucky, Isaac Shelby. Yep. And the first courthouse was built of logs. Uh-huh, uh-huh.

Fucking logs. You bet. They Lincoln logged that first courthouse. How's that? It was initially housed in an old school building, which was a log building, and then they built a brick courthouse in 1854. Good move. Yeah, that's a good move because as we know, everything in this country burned down from like 1885 to 1930. So-

They had to rebuild it. It's now known as the Old Shelby Courthouse, and it houses the Shelby County Museum and Archives. And the current Limestone Courthouse was built from 1905 to 1906 at a cost of $300,000 then. What a deal. Which is like...

Wow, a lot of money. $7 trillion. That's so much money. That's what we're taking, 1905. It's the GDP of our country. How the hell did they afford that? 300 grand. How did they get 300 grand in a small county back then? That's wild. That's a big bank loan. Wow. Shelby County has a long history in agriculture. Since about 1990, it's become a big location for growing soybeans. Oh.

Oh. So there you go. Okay. Soybeans. Reviews of this town. We've never been there. Yeah. The hell do we know about it? I'm not going. I don't plan on it anytime soon. No, probably not. Five stars. Seems out of the way. Yeah. No reason to go there. I don't think we're going to do a live show in Calera. I'm not flying over it even. No, down there. It's not crossing over it much. There's nothing. Five stars. Small town. Nice people. Love that. Easy to find everything. Clean. Clean.

Is it? Clean. Yeah. It better be. There's nobody here. Starting to build it up more and more. They are building more houses, places to eat, and things to do. Anything you need can be found in the city. Easy access to the interstate or even back roads to get to nearby cities. I'll stay off of those. Thank you. I've seen my cousin Vinny, and I will not have a repeat of that. This town is like a plaid skirt. Easy access. Easy access.

Four stars. The crime in my city isn't bad. We'll be the judge of that. I think we have the stats and you don't. James is more thorough. We got this. It's pretty rare when something bad happens here. If there is a problem, the police comes when they aren't busy. Do they? When they aren't busy? We're busy now. Yeah, my son just stabbed my husband. We're busy. The police, they will come when they're not busy.

If they don't have other stuff going on. Also, never put if there's a problem in anything because I'll always say, check out the hook while my DJ revolves. Well, at least they didn't say they'd solve it. That helps. They didn't say they'd solve the problem. They comes and solves it. By the way, every single word has a capitalized first letter in there.

in this so they had that right they didn't just do all caps shift they shifted every every single word wow it's the weirdest fucking i've never seen it before a problem yo i'll solve it it's weirder like that right it's much weirder like that yeah it's like lyrics

It's strange. I don't know why they would present them like that. And there's no like spaces after the periods. Anyway. And the cops comes. They comes. They'll comes if they're not too busy. That's awesome. Three stars. Yeah. I don't know much about this area. Okay. How about you learn a little before you make a review then? Shouldn't have logged on. What do you do it? Why would you go? I'm going to make a review.

I'm going to make a review of this. I don't know very much about it. Why'd you wait on all those sounds your computer was making? Should I give it five stars? Well, I don't know too much about one star. Well, I can't. I don't know too much. We'll just go three. We'll just play it right down the middle just in case. Play it real safe. Two stars. For late night food and drinks, there is one bar and the restaurants close early.

The one bar is very small and crowded. I bet it is crowded if there's only one of them. What's it called? Jesus. No plug? They're not telling us. Jesus. They want to keep it. You kidding me? It's crowded already. How many more people? Don't tell anybody about the paper tiger. One star. Like living in Mayberry, police are very crooked. They don't know how to handle new people.

New people that come in. Do the police handle that? Apparently. When you come into town, they're going to handle you, apparently. How long you been? Shit. Sheet-built houses everywhere, and nothing is open past 10 p.m. They only have five stores. That is tough. Or as the other person put it, anything you need can be found in this city. For

Before 10 p.m. Before 10 p.m. They're not out late much. People in this town, 16,126. So that's actually a decent-sized town. It's 35 minutes from Birmingham, so that makes sense. It's like driving distance to Nashville. There's a nice little area that's a little secluded, a little out of the way, a little peace and quiet.

Oh, a little questionable. A little questionable. Yeah, I don't think. A little dangerous for guys like me, probably. I don't like it. Maybe more ethnic than Toby Keith. Yeah, it's a little bit. Yeah, that's the scale I feel like. More ethnic than Toby Keith means stay off this back road. Population 16, 126. There's way more females than males, like over 52% for some reason. 32.4 is the median age.

So young, yeah. So low. Yeah, that's very young. I think maybe the college being close by. Young children are all above average, and 25 to 44 are above average. So they're fucking and having young children. Young families, yeah. It's pretty obvious what's happening here. 56% married, all like the divorce rates lower, the married or single with children is lower. Yeah.

So it's kind of a family area here. Race of this town, 65.6% white, 27.9% black, 0.9% Asian, 3% Hispanic. Yeah.

here, a lot of religions, 70.7% religious and Baptist, 51% Baptist. As we know, Baptists are the Catholics of the South. They're going to be everywhere. Number one every week with a bullet. Unemployment rate here, very low. It's under 3%. That's great. Which is extremely, that's actually not great. That's dangerous. When it gets down that low, then they can't find people for

to do shit at that point. Gotta import them. It's weird, yeah. Apparently you want like a four, like economically and the balance. A four means that there's people to, I mean, it sucks for that four. Yeah, it's not going well for them. Yeah, for everybody else, I guess it's good. Median household income here is $70,500.

They're doing well. Which is about $1,000 more than the national average. So that's fine. Everything's great there. Cost of living here, $100 is average. Here it is $100.1. Right around there. Yeah. On the money there. And we find that housing is actually the low thing here. Really? That's what's cheap. Median home cost, $228,100. That's unbelievable. That's not bad. And they're doing well with their finances. So not too shabby here. And if you agree...

Here we go. And you need to come here. We have for you, if you want to be done with all your shopping by 10 p.m., we have for you the Calera, Alabama Real Estate Report. The average two-bedroom rental here goes for $1,260, which is about the average. And anytime there's a college anywhere near anything, rent prices are way up because that's all everybody's doing. Here's a three-bedroom, one-bath.

1,344 square foot house. It's not bad. It says ATTENTION HOME HUNTERS on the listing. All capital letters here. It's nestled near a limestone park and Oak Mountain State Park. What do you do with the limestone? I don't know. Just look at the lime. Scrape your knees? Yes.

Go, oh, that's dusty and weird. Bunch of kids leaving with scraped elbows. I don't understand that. Perfect for families. It boasts a water heater less than a year old. Oh, the house does. The house does, not the park. It's perfect for families because the water heater works. Yeah, you can take a bath. So a backyard shed and a front storm shelter for safety. Yeah. 0.75 acres.

Not a bad house. $99,000. $99,000. Three-bedroom, 1,350 square feet. That's like a trip in time. That's what I paid for my first house that was that size. In 2001? Yeah. Yeah. 2003. Wow. Here's a four-bedroom, three-bath, 2,556 square feet. It's built in 2016, so it is pretty good.

Pretty new. It's pretty new. It's interesting, though. It looks... They staged it. Obviously had someone stage it. Like, no one lives... It's set up like a hotel lobby. No one lives like that. It's weird. No one puts fresh lilies out on a daily basis, I don't think. Where do you throw your bags when you walk in the door?

Exactly. So it's a little bit weird here, but it's interesting. It's $310,000. How many square feet? 2556. That's pretty good. That's not bad, but it's very cookie cutter. Yeah. You can make it your own for that money. You got to want to live in a cookie cutter neighborhood. This one here, four bedroom, four bath, T-Bowl. That's it.

For each and every b-hole out there. 3,050 square feet on two acres. Fucking what? It's lovely. This house is...

Absolutely has been redone to the specifications of 2023 HGTV. Gray and white. Yeah, they just barn doors. They watch somebody redo a house and they were like, fuck yeah, that's all there is to it. Move that bus. That's it. And in five years, it'll look like shit. Everyone will go, oh. Yeah, five years, somebody's going to walk in and go, oh. My old gray. Oh.

Why all the gray? A lot of Photoshopped things in here, too. They Photoshopped a Pac-Man arcade machine in here for some reason, which is an interesting choice. If I go into a house and I expect a Pac-Man machine. And it's not there? You better have a fucking Pac-Man machine is all I'm saying. I have some questions. Especially for $724,900. That machine's about 800 bucks. Just get it and put it in the house. But you know what? It's just been reduced. It's been slashed. $699,900, baby. It's a bargain.

Get on in there.

And then finally, things to do. Here we go. The third annual crawfish boil. Yep. Let's get boiling. I don't get it. I love a crawfish. Oh, boy. Oh, they're so good. Pop those tails off. It feels like a lot of work. It's not. You pop the tail off. It's a lot of sucking. You pull it out. You suck the thing. You suck the body out. How much meat is it? In the tail, a little bit of meat. You eat like 50 of them. They're great. That feels like. It's a whole thing. You get a pile. Yeah. And it's fun. And you rip them apart. And you get them. And you eat them. And there's potatoes. It's fucking good.

Jeez, man. Am I more Southern than you here on this? No, that just feels like a slaughter for nothing. That's great. They're fucking river roaches. Who cares? Slaughter them. They're great. They're pretty gross. They're delicious. I love them. I made them at the river.

And just ate the claws, just like cracked those up. That's the one thing you don't eat. Is that right? I crapped them. They're too tiny. Yeah, you just pop the tail. Yeah? You pop the tail. Yeah, there's not a lot of meat in the claw. No, nobody does that. You pop the tail, pull the meat out, and then suck on the body to get all the juice out, like the seasoning that you've done, and then you throw it away. Huh. Whole thing thrown away. Yeah, they're good. We had a big boil over the summer, man. We weren't here for it.

Son of a bitch. I can't believe it. This year there's local vendors, fun and games, live music that they're not going to tell us about because it's so good. Yeah. I love that. So brag about it. Fan of the mystery guest. Yeah. Well, it's presented by the sponsor, ERA King Real Estate. Oh, yeah. Yeah. They're saying, come on down. They say they invite you to our third annual event.

Crawfish, well, that sounds festive, the era real estate people. Also, the Strawberry Festival and Car Show. Yeah, why not? Let's mix those together.

Have a strawberry shake and lean over my 67 Camaro. How many years did the organizers have separate festivals? They're like, it's got to be the strawberry festival drawing people away from us and vice versa. To where they finally said, you know what? Yeah. Like two warring mob families. We could share this neighborhood. What do you say? Bill brought that fucking hot ass Nova out of his garage. Nobody's going to come get shortcake. He's got a 69 Challenger. Yeah.

His wife's got the shortcake. This place is fucking great. It's my favorite. It says there's nothing like biting into a sweet and juicy strawberry. Strawberries are wonderful. They're pretty legit. And you add some festive music and a dash of outdoor family fun, and you've got a recipe for a good time there, Charlie. It doesn't say Charlie, but I'm calling you Charlie. A little bit of some Beach Boys with a surfboard on the top of a Volkswagen. That's a day. Kokomo on loop. Let's do it. Kokomo on loop.

Not even old Beach Boys. The 80s Beach Boys. Stamos Beach Boys. They were like, we're all sober, Beach Boys. We don't even... Manson Who Beach Boys. Yep, those are the ones. Our drummer's dead, Beach Boys. The one who hung out with Manson drowned. Don't worry, Beach Boys. Everything's fine. Poor Denny. Yeah. Denny was a mess.

They were supposed to be. It was a messy time. It's a mess. It's the 60s. It's a invite a gaggle of hippies over to your house and have them take over. Who cares? That's great. So they said that the Strawberry Festival will feature all of the above. Well, that's good. At least they weren't telling us things and then go, now we'll have some of that stuff, but not all of it. All of the above. In addition to strawberry vendors, attendees will find food trucks, a car show, a kid zone, and plenty of live music.

Sure. Who's the live music from? Local high school bands and choirs. Nope. Oh, that's going to be great. As well as guest musicians, automatic slim blues band. That's automatic slim. Automatic slim blues band. That's a whole. Right. But is it automatic slim blues band or is it automatic slim blues? No, no, automatic slim blues.

blues band. Four words. Yeah, but I don't know where the emphasis is supposed to be. I don't think you're supposed to. I don't think we're supposed to know where the emphasis is supposed to be. Well, you know what? Their emphasis is from 12 to 2 p.m. There you go. So if you're a performer and your fucking call time is like pre-noon, you're

You're not doing well. I'll tell you that right now. High noon is when you start? And then the headliners will be the headliners is the name of the event with a Z. The headliners. They have to go on. They go on at three, of course. I mean –

They won't go on before two. That's the thing that comes with that. It's the 11th time they're doing this, and the event planners hope to make it the biggest one yet. Sure. Tyler Madison, who runs this joint, says, we're trying to make it the biggest it's ever been. Just come on out and have some fun. Do what Tyler says. Just come on out and have some fun.

I'm not going to sell it to you anymore. Just come on out, okay? Eat a fucking strawberry. What do you want? Make it big. Then he says it's a free-for-all festival for the community, which he means it's free-for-all, but it makes it sound like people are just brawling in the streets, throwing strawberries at each other. WrestleMania of the whole town. Yeah, slamming each other on classic car hoods and shit. Hell yeah. The Strawberry Festival will be a cupcake-eating contest. Oh.

featuring cupcakes provided by the local bakery Creations Galore and more. Sure. So you've got to have that, obviously. And there's the whole schedule here of everything. Enjoy a day with family and friends. Vendors will be selling foods, arts, crafts, produce, and of course, strawberries, obviously. There fucking better be. Then there's a

kids zone where they claim to include a princess character meet and greet face painting balloon art inflatables these are all things you can promise and unicorn rides yeah i'm calling you out on that sir where's your unicorn show me a picture you have a pony yeah with a fucking horn strap to his head you glued a corn cob to that thing's face there's a leather strap around its chin

You're not even fooling children with that, I don't think. Unless you hammered it into this poor horse's face. They might have made one. And you need to be arrested. Made me a unicorn. Here he is. Staple it to its head. Wow. It says enjoy a plethora of baked goods, such as cake pops, while perusing the handmade crafts, clothing, and jewelry displayed from various vendors and vintage boutiques. It's also a swap meet.

Yeah, it's every festival in America. That's all of them. So that said, crime rate. Here we go. What we are interested in here, property crime is slightly above average. Oh. So there's more. More than you think. Maybe these cops don't come. I was going to say, nobody comes is the problem. That's the issue. Violent crime, though, murder, rape, robbery, and of course, assault. You'd expect that to be low at least. Right about average. What in the fuck is going on? I don't know what's happening here, but these people seem to be, they seem very happy and were crime free and-

If there is a problem, which there never is, apparently there is more than that's why they didn't solve it. I think so. Maybe they should have checked out the hook. Yeah. Get that DJ revolve. That's what I mean. That's the problem. I don't think everybody realized what's happening here. Yeah. That guy just stopped it. If there's a problem, you didn't do anything else. Yeah.

So that said, let's talk about a murder here and some wild shit here. Let's start out hot. January 13th, 2018. Yeah. There is a young lady named Makorsha Purifoy. Hell yeah. That is, that's a handle boy. That's Makorsha Purifoy. I'm glad you're saddled with that burden. I don't want that one. They're both hard to say. Yeah. It's, it's,

one of your names but when both are hard to say yeah it's like oh my god your brain goes oh no what do i do it panics i'm not in the right place i i your brain's set to pronounce one name and you're like oh god both of those are hard i don't know what to do nightmares did i leave the country yeah that's why i'm lucky my parents didn't name me after their grandfathers and i'm not gaitano biagio petrogallo that would have been people's head would fucking explode

At least James are like, all right, I understand that one. I got that one, yeah. So now she's 19 years old. Sure. And she is headed out. She lives in this suburban neighborhood, and she is headed out to go to her work at a fast food restaurant. What one? Don't know. We don't know. Not important at all. But she's going out to sling French fries in one way or the other. I assume maybe it's that one. What is the one Alabama one we did?

Oh, where the fries, you got to eat them in the car. You got to eat them in the car. Was it, fuck, was it Checkers? I don't know. I don't remember. I want to eat them wherever that was because the fries sounded really good. Yeah, you got to eat them in the car. Otherwise, they're trash. They're trash. I love all the Alabama where people were like, she's full of shit.

Because nobody waits to eat them fries. They were like so vocal. Yeah, ain't no way she's telling the truth. We got so many messages and everything. That lady's lying because you do not wait to eat those French fries. And it was like not even like a joke thing. They were all dead serious. Like when you get those French fries, you eat them right away. That lady is lying. Put her in prison. It's the most. Does your kitchen cook grits quicker than anywhere else? Yes.

Argument ever. It's amazing. Damning circumstantial evidence in the history of murder down there. It was wild. Are you or we don't believe that your stove cooks grits faster than any other place on the planet? That boiling water soaks into a grit faster on your stove than on any other place on the planet.

I love that. So boiling water soaks into the grid. So McCorsha says, it was dark, it was cold. I wasn't sure like what I was seeing. That's January. Right. In northern Alabama, January gets cold. In the south, just in general. It gets cold. They have fucking ice storms. That's crazy. They'll tell you, the weather is not, the weather is awful.

horrible down there in the summer it's a hundred degrees humid and it's fucking and it's cold as shit in the winter it's just shit it's hot and shitty worst weather in the country my dad lived in North Carolina and I'm like when is it nice out never went from freezing to fucking

I've been humid, sweating, my balls stuck to my leg in a day. Four seasons of it'll all kill you. It's crazy. It's insane down there. So, yeah, the weather gets rough down there. So I guess she, this is before dawn. This is pre-dawn. Oh, boy. And she is driving, going to fast food. God, Jesus, leaving your house pre-dawn to go make fucking hash browns. It's freezing. Oh, God, Jesus, that's rough. And she says she spotted something in the road. Yeah.

She said, I think I see a person laying in the road. That's what she said. She was on the phone. She called her mom and said, I think I see something. Well, halfway in the road. She didn't know. So rather than pulling up and checking it out, she went back home to get her parents. Circle back at mom. She didn't want to go check this out by herself, which I don't blame her. It could be somebody who's playing a trick and they're going to jump up and kidnap her. You don't know. That's smart. So she goes home and gets her dad and her mom. Sure.

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And takes them and they return to the scene to try to check this out. And we'll return to them later. We'll circle back. So right now there's a family standing over what's possibly a person lying in the road. After circling back, we will circle back. We will circle back. And let us introduce some people. Okay. Let's talk about Kathleen Dawn Martins.

Okay. Now, she'll go by Cat West. Hell yeah. As West will be her married name later on. And Cat, short for Kathleen. Pretty sick name. And that's her kind of internet personality is Cat West. So friends of hers say she's very extroverted. Always. She was born in 1975, by the way. And she's very extroverted. And they said she's always the life of the party. Right.

They said like she has like an online personality that we'll talk about later. But sure, it's kind of like her regular personality, too. And it's weird because a lot of people, a lot of articles talk about how she's led a double life. Oh, but it's like not a double life at all. It's a out in the open life. It's very strange how they act like she was like.

They act like the husband and kids went to bed, and then she grabbed a miniskirt and went out on the street and gave $20 blowjobs. That's what they act like it was. And no one knew about it. That's how they act like it was. So you heard snoring in the house, and then she's like, blowjob time. Like one of those suburban prostitution rings where all the mothers are like, we're bored. Yeah.

I don't think that ever happens in real life, but in movies, that's always a thing. We're like eight attractive 35 year old ladies who are just tired of going to soccer. Yeah. They have kids in the fourth grade together and they're like, you guys want to fuck for money? We should. Right. We should totally do it. And then they just get together and do it. It's a weird slice. One more fucking orange. I can't do it.

Can't do it anymore. Saturday afternoon, the goddamn Alabama football game's on. I can't do it. I'm not doing it. I just want to blow a string. For money I don't need. That's all I want to do. Yeah. That's all that happens. I've seen like six movies where that's a plot. It's like, how is that a plot?

For walking around money. Yeah. Just feel like doing it. I know it happened once in real life. Did it really? Yeah, there was a real thing that that happened and they made like, like it happens everywhere now. What a dream. That's amazing. Yeah.

Oh, wow. So that's her friend. That's Kat's friend, Brittany, that says she's very extroverted, life of the party. She said Kat would get on stages and sing. She couldn't sing for the life of her, but she would sing. She was proud of who she was. Now, that's the advantage of being a hot woman. You can have no singing ability. You get up there and people are like, yeah! Yeah.

Give it hell, girl. Yeah, whereas us, they'd be like, okay, fucker, get off the fucking... Come on. Jesus Christ, quit wasting your fucking time. Are you going to sing the second verse, too? No, no. You already did one. Get out. He's not doing Freebird. No, it's long. No. Give him like an Ace of Base song. Is that the intro to November Rain? You son of a bitch! No. Scenes from an Italian restaurant? No. I'm sorry. He's going to air guitar slashes part. Fucking A. He's going to air piano Billy Joel solo, and I won't have it.

So as a kid, her mom, Nancy, said she loved to be outside. That was her thing. She liked to go out. She said that was her big deal. She had a swing set. Yeah. So she liked to be outside in the swing set. She likes to be like, seems like physically active. Doing things, yeah. She likes to move around and do things. Yeah. And later on, we'll find out when she gets drunk, she gets really active. Really? Yeah. When I get drunk, I'm like. Oh.

You know, we laugh. I'll walk around a little bit. But I'm not like, hey, let's go play basketball. Like, that's not. I'll throw up. Yeah. She goes on a trampoline when she gets shit-faced. Oh, I will for sure throw up. You are tempting fate right there. Honestly. That is brutal. How good was that drink? You're going to taste it again. Imagine we went and like what we did at the steakhouse there. Imagine we had like three martinis and then jumped on a trampoline. We were throwing up anyway. Never mind. Before you call us wusses, they won't.

they were really strong. That's a lot. That was just basically like glasses of vodka with a fucking olive in it at this place that we go. They think they're doing us a favor. Yeah. Oh, you're going to like this one. It's just a shitload of vodka, a splash of olive juice, and then a couple olives on a stick. It's crazy. So we leave drinking like fucking 16 ounces of vodka a piece and we're like, I don't feel so good. For no reason.

I had martinis. Why do I feel like I drank a quart of vodka? I had three drinks. Wow. I don't see you so nice right now. That's how we were, though. We were a mess. Yeah. I shouldn't have eaten all that food.

That's how we were. I need more food. I don't have enough. Yeah, Jesus, I think I got to put more food on top of that. So Kat's parents are Nancy and John Martin, and they say when she was in Florida, that's when she grew up in Florida, they say she doted on her dolls all the time as like...

Like some little girls are really maternal with their dolls. They want the dolls to shit and they have to feed and everything, which is strange. I don't know if it's just a boy thing or just the fact that I'm lazy, but I didn't want any doll that needed to be tended to.

Like a wrestling figure, you just stand it there. It doesn't shit itself. You don't have to feed it. And he's good until you want to wrestle him. That's it. He'll hang out. You can throw him in the closet. He won't cry and shit. None of that. You can get one, and he'll be patient until you get the Iron Sheik to wrestle with him. He'll get there. Nikolai Volkov will patiently await his tag team partner. It's fine.

No one's worried about it. So, yeah, they said that, and they said she wanted to be a mom someday. Her dad said when she got a bit older, she wanted to do modeling. Sure. And she has a real kind of Marilyn Monroe obsession from a young age. She's real into Marilyn Monroe. And there's women who are...

Real into Marilyn Monroe and women who don't give a shit about Marilyn Monroe. Yeah, I don't think there's much in the middle of that. There's not in the middle. No, they're either like, oh, I don't like her, or they're like, oh, my God, she's the most iconic, whatever the fuck. So wherever you fall, it doesn't matter. A lot of people just go, yeah, she's a person. She's fine, yeah. Now, her friend, Brittany, says she kind of looked like her.

And she tries to recreate some of her photos and her hairdos. And a lot of her pictures, she has like the kind of that updo, the blonde, like platinum blonde, bright red lipstick. Titties out. Boobs popping, that sort of thing. And she tries to like replicate. So it's like some of her clothing is like that she'll wear. It's like it's that kind of early 60s kind of like that kind of dress cut. Not the pinup girl shit. No, no. The pinup girl shit's different.

Okay. The pinup girl shit is completely different. Not necessarily rockabilly stuff. No, pinup girl is more like hanging in a motorcycle shop or some shit, whereas this is more like that early 60s kind of classy attempt at whatever. White and black stripes, that shit? That type of shit, or like the little flowy skirt, that type of shit. Less grease under the fingernails than a pinup girl. A little more gidget.

A pinup girl looks like she'd jerk you off and your dick would be dirty when it was over. And you'd be like, what'd you get on there? You know what I mean? That's not like that. I think I prefer that. That's fine. I'm not saying it's a bad thing. Filthy's great. I'm just saying that she's not Marilyn Monroe. It's a different thing. I kind of want to scrub my balls and go, is that 10W30? What is that? Yeah. No, the Marilyn girls look like they would be like, ew. That's... Grease. Not grease. Grease.

Ew. Something came out. It is grease. Whereas I feel like the rockabilly girl is like, where are you going to put it? Yeah. She just rubs it on her face. You don't even have to shoot it up. Where are you putting it? You don't have to shoot it. Put it in my hand. Where do you want me to aim it, I feel like? Up or down? Put it in my hand. I'll put it where it goes. Don't worry about it. Yeah.

So she's into Marilyn now. Her friend said she was obsessed with Marilyn Monroe and tried to emulate her in every way. And her pictures were definitely like that.

And her friend said, and this is not shocking, when you have the two, here's two statements that she made. And one definitely piggybacks the other. She was obsessed with Marilyn Monroe and was trying to emulate her in every way. There were some self-esteem issues there with her, which there were some self-esteem issues with Marilyn too. So that makes a lot of sense. She craved adulation from people, whether she knew them or not. What is that? She wanted, that's every person online now.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's Instagram. Fuck shit. That's Instagram. And it's full of it. Like, let me ask you this. If Instagram tomorrow didn't show likes or follower counts, would you even bother posting on it? If I didn't know who I'm reaching, no. No. See what I mean? I'm out. There you go. That tells you why you're there. Then the only reason I'm in there is because of the show, and I want to be able to try to advertise as much as I can or show that –

People are going to see that the show's up, whatever, but that's all it's for. I don't understand somebody with 20 fucking followers posting everything about their life. That I don't get. That's why they have 20 followers, because no one cares about their life. It's not interesting to people at all. No one cares about- But that website is full of those people. No, that's what I mean. So that's just what we've all-

I'm not taking shots. Is it a lottery that the dream is that that shit creates a fucking two million follower account? Yeah, I mean, I think the dream for everybody is that that can be their job now. Yeah. You know what I mean? How many people bought a fucking van and tried to drive around in the Sierra Nevadas or whatever? It's like, we're going to be Instagram people now. Somebody just said there was a study. 12 million quote unquote influencers are on Instagram. I still don't know.

What's the fucking definition? What does that mean? What does that mean? Yeah, I don't know. What's the low end? What's the fucking floor of followers for an influencer? You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. I mean, everybody thinks they're an influencer, so who knows? Oh, goddammit. So the dad said, you tell her she's beautiful, and she'd say, you're just my mom and dad. Yeah, she doesn't believe anybody. No. And she's very pretty and needs to be told it a lot. Yeah? That's the thing. Yeah, she needs it.

Her parents said her feelings of isolation and self-doubt and depression would spiral out of control because she was so freaked out about everything. Her mom said, I don't know how many different places we took her. She went to a lot of counseling. Really? Yeah. And the parents are doing the right thing. Number one, they're there. They're paying attention.

And there's counseling involved. They're telling her, hey, you're beautiful. And then they're saying, okay, that doesn't work. Let's take you to counseling. I mean, that's really, and especially for back then, because she was born in 75. Yeah. So she's a teenager, like 1990. Yeah.

At that point, it was like, you know, fix your shit. It was more like there was less counseling and more like tough love at that time and shit like that. Like your kid just needs a discipline. That's what they need. But I mean, that that that's nice that they recognize that person has existed since the dawn of time. Oh, yeah. Remember summer rental? The chick got that hot chick with the amazing tits and she's showing them to everybody. Yeah. And the husband's like, just tell her they're nice because it's all she wants to hear. Yeah.

That person exists everywhere. They're always gorgeous. People Monroe is that person. I mean, that's, and she got it. Everybody told her and she still didn't get it. She fucking married several famous people and it was a huge movie star and it was iconic and everything else. The president, I mean, fuck the president, which I mean, what's that word? I guess you can do that at any time. Yeah. Or for the last, I think ever really. Yeah. Yeah. You could have, I don't think fucking the president was as big a, an accomplishment as people thought it was much of a task.

Now that we know what people did back in the day and forever, we're like, I think these guys just fucked whoever was around. Seems like it's pretty easy. Her parents said she was battling bipolar disorder and drinking too much. Oh. So those two things don't go together well. No. That's bad. It's self-medicating for bipolar with alcohol, just...

It tends to extend the depression times, which isn't good at all. She's just taking a willy-nilly medication for depression, or was it prescribed? No, she was not. She's just drinking. That's what I mean. She had bipolar, and she was drinking. Oh.

So she's unmedicated and drinking. So it's kind of tough for her. But she's starting to get her shit together by about 2004. She's 29. Is when her life kind of comes together. Through her 20s, she really had a lot of problems. I mean, she was just...

A lot of depression problems, drinking problems, some issues that her parents were trying to help her out with. Very normal, though, right? In your 20s? In your 20s? To try to not know who you are and find yourself? That's the time to do it. That's the time to unravel and then ravel back up again. Yeah, yeah. The 30s are supposed to be your 20s with money. Figure out your 20s. Well, your 30s. Who the hell makes money in their 30s anymore? It's supposed to be.

Yeah. If you've gone to college. Oh, you meant if you're like a responsible person. Not us. Thank you. Yeah. I thought you meant, I was thinking like people like us. You thought I was talking about us? Trash? No. No, not trash. No. We didn't have shit. So this happened at a 2004 Super Bowl party here, and that's where she met a guy that she was smitten for here. He's a guy named William Jeffrey West.

And he goes by Jeff. So Jeff West. Billy Jeff. Billy Jeff West. Jeff West, which sounds like an old West sheriff. I'm Jeff West, and I'm going to clean this town up. Batman's son. Jeff West. This is my son, Jeff. I'm sorry, Robin, but we're going to put you on the shelf for a while. We're going to put Jeff in there. Adam West, his voice is a little straighter.

Goldblum. Kind of, yeah. Goldblum is a little more flamboyant. That's all it is. Well, Goldblum has more of the, he has more of like, Pause and draw now. He has like a walking thing once in a while. Where he's like, so I was walking to the store. Yeah. You know what I mean? He'll pop that out in there. And then he'll drag a word out forever. Yeah. And then a long pause and then hit you with a word for no reason. And then he'll talk a really fast sentence like this. Yeah. God, he's a wild card. So,

I was thinking. I was thinking. It's all it is with him is change of pace. He's like a pitcher who's one fastball is 96, the next one is 92. He's hard to hit. That's what I mean. He's good like that. I don't know the fastball. It's crazy. He throws it in there. There you go. You just figured out Jeff Goldblum. That's Jeff Goldblum. That's his whole thing that he does. Now, Nancy, that's Kat's mom, said they fell in love on their first date.

Is that? Well, Jesus. Somebody did. I guess so. Can't do both, right? It was really love at first sight. She said it really was. For all of us. And within a year, they're getting married. Goddamn. I mean, they like met. They're both like 32. I think it's one of those things where they're looking for someone. You meet a smoke show that doesn't know she's a smoke show. You better marry her tomorrow. Oh, she knows she's a smoke show. Does she? Oh, yeah. That's why she... Yeah. Yeah.

Yes. She just needs it. She needs it. If you take sexy pictures of yourself and put them on Instagram, it's not because you think you're ugly. You know. Or put them on OnlyFans. Even more, you want people to pay for it. Right. It's not because you think you're ugly. You know what I mean? Yeah, OnlyFans. Instagram, you're giving it away for free. Yeah. And that person even knows.

I think maybe her thing is like, I'm tired of everyone wanting to fuck me and not wanting to be with me might be the thing of her. So Jeff West is a local army recruiter at the time when they meet. So he's a military guy and kind of a straight-laced kind of a cat. And they get married in Las Vegas. There we go. Going to have that. In 2005, they are going to have a daughter as well here named Lola.

So they're going to move around the country with Jeff's job. Uh-huh.

Like an Army recruiting, if you're successful, that just means you're going to really move along. They're going to just put you in wherever they need you. Goddamn. That's a tough gig. Yeah, if you're good for it, they want you in every state, getting more and more of these boys. I would assume if you're a recruiter, you want to stay in the mediocre range so you can kind of say, hey, let's not get too good here. Be like the school your kids are in. Just dial it down a little bit. Let a couple of fish go. That's it. Yeah, you definitely –

You don't want to be a superstar in this scenario. Throw a couple back. Hey, good. Now we're going to move you to a terrible place where we can't get anybody to join the army even. Have you heard of Fargo? That's where you're going.

So they move all around with the daughter. Her friend, Kat's friend, said Lola was her light, Lola was her gift, and she adored her daughter. Which, I mean, she's always wanted a baby. So this is like finally, and she's like 30 years old too. It's a good time for her to have a baby, I would think. 2005? 2005. Yeah, that's when they had the kid, huh? That's an interesting time to name a kid Lola. Lola. That was early for that one. L-O-L-A, Lola. Yeah. Or maybe late. Oh, yeah.

That's, she's born in 75. Uh-huh. Her parents listen to classic rock on the radio. Oh, she heard that song a million times. Quite a bit and it's stuck in her head and she's like, yeah, LOL. But I mean like, because that's a popular name now. Uh-huh.

It is, which is strange. Lila and Lola, both of them. But I think she got in early. That's very early. Yeah, 2005. So 2007 comes along. Yeah. And they end up filing for bankruptcy. Oh, no. While living in Cartersville, Georgia, which in 2007 there was quite a few people filing for bankruptcy. Yeah.

If they weren't, they were just giving shit back and blowing up their whole lives. Just giving shit back like I did with a house. Here you go. You can have this back, I guess. Luckily, the mortgage company we had was under a huge investigation. Oh, that's great. Fuck you. Take that back. I've never heard another word about it. Didn't fuck with my

credit or anything. Is that right? Swear to God. I short-sailed one and it fucked me for seven years. The mortgage company was completely being taken apart by the federal government because they did all sorts of illegal shit so they couldn't do anything. Wow. The loans were all not...

technically legal, I guess, or whatever. So we were just like, you can have that. It's incredible. Peace out. Later. They took my house, fucked my credit, and then there was a HELOC that they didn't satisfy before giving the money to them. This is entertaining. The podcast right here. Jimmy's HELOC. This is what the people want to hear. This is what they want to hear. If you're ever listening to a murder podcast, I hope someone brings up their HELOC. Yeah.

That's great. I was just going to say they washed it because they didn't have the paperwork for it. Because it was in 2008 when they gave it to me. Oh, it's just a mess. So they didn't have the paperwork. So they called me and were like, we have to forgive this. And I was like, that's great. Sounds good. Thanks. I used that to buy a motorcycle. Whoops. Good. I didn't have it to give you anyway. Thank you.

So, yeah, they go in and they do the same thing. 2007, Cartersville, Georgia, they go bankrupt. And the case is handled very routinely. It's closed within months. At that point, this was very common. Bankruptcies were popping left and right. So they end up at some point here, they move to Southern California. Okay.

And this is in 2011. They live here. They moved to Southern California. And I guess her friend, Brittany Driesler, the one who's been talking about her, I guess her husband was thinking of enlisting in the army. Oh, I know a guy. I don't know how old he is. I know a guy that could use you. Yeah. My like 37 year old husband is doesn't know what to do with himself. So, well, he's not really our top guy.

Perhaps his credit's fucked and he can't get a job. That's what I'm thinking. I don't want soldiers that are... Like, if you've been in the Army, but you can't just show up at 37. Yeah. Your knees are going to hurt. Get the fuck out of here. You've got a HELOC, for Christ's sake. Yeah, you've got a HELOC to worry about. You've got all sorts of shit going on. I got a mortgage, you know what I mean? No, but these...

No, I don't want that. No. Showing up all complaining. Yeah. 37-year-olds, that's when it starts to fall apart. Absolutely not. You can't sleep in the shit that they give them to sleep in. It's going to hurt in the morning. You're going to need a special pillow because your neck's messed up. They don't give you that. There's a bombing and you've got to go out and – it takes me a minute to stretch. You've got to be 19 or else it doesn't work. So anyway, that's at the recruiting station. Brittany said that Jeff West basically –

Convinced her husband right away to join the army. Yeah, that's it. And they said, Brittany said her first impression of Jeff, he was just super reassuring and nice. He was just nice.

And so this is how they met. This wasn't Kat's friend to begin with. Right. Her husband, she walked in with her husband to a recruiting station, met him. They hit it off. Uh-huh. So Jeff invited them over to hang out. Bring your wife. Come on and hang out. Meet my wife. Yeah. And so they came over to the house. Kat answered the door. Sure. And they have a baby and she's dressed up nice and looks like the perfect little family. Uh-huh.

Brittany said that she was just in her tank top and shorts and really happy and bubbly. Hey, girl. Right off the bat, she was like, you want a drink? Yeah. This is the house you want to go to. This is so fun. You walk in and they're putting drinks in your hand. That's good stuff here. Brittany said they look like a real happy couple. They said those kind of like they were an unlikely couple. Yeah. Basically. And yeah, she. Yeah.

Put it this way. If she's a nine, he's about a five and a half. So it's one of those straight laced military and straight laced military. So they're like, this is a weird. How did you two get like he's not rich or anything like what's up with that? Brittany said, quote, seeing how Kat carried herself and what she looked like and then seeing Jeff.

And she takes a pause and goes, I know opposites attract. What the fuck? Which means, I mean, he's a troll is what she said. He doesn't deserve her. She said, put a horn on his head and call him a unicorn and the kids could ride him at the fucking strawberry festival. Staple it to his scalp.

Because he's a monster. Wow. He's a hideous monster, she said. She said, I know opposites attract, but I was like, that guy pulled that girl? Yeah. She said, you never know. It really never made sense to me until I started to get to know them more. Oh.

I mean, it was to the point where you go, that's your wife? Holy shit. Where'd you get her from? Which, you know, that's swinging a little bit above his weight class. That's awesome. I mean, good for him, but also that's stressful. It is. Yeah. We're not good at handling that, guys. No. We need someone that we feel like is in our range. Oh, believe me, I can appreciate an incredibly hot woman, but I know that that's not true.

That's not for me. Yeah. You look at that and you go. Good for whoever gets to ride that ride. It's like basketball players are trying to fuck her. I have no much of a chance here. So I just know that I'm beneath the minimum height requirement for that ride. Every time I see it, I just go, oh, I can't wait till one day I grow up. Yeah, that's that's. Yeah. Well, those to hang on to that. Yeah. Like a woman like that is hard. Yeah.

And it's not a lot of guys have the confidence for that, especially if they're hideous. And if you can manage that, fucking high five, daddy-o. But most of the time, you're either very handsome or very wealthy. Yeah. So for a guy who's not very handsome or very wealthy, he has got some fucking confidence. He must have a hammer on him, boy. And you know, that's the other option. I don't know what kind of confidence it is on this guy. It's confidence, looks, money, hammer. Yeah.

Probably in that order. Governance looks money hammer.

Probably in that order, I'm going to say. Goldblum answered you. Yes, he did. I think it's in that order. I think it's in that order, probably. So she has asked if, Brittany has asked if she would describe their marriage as a conventional marriage. And Brittany laughed and said, definitely not. Okay. Yeah. They said that Kat was just so, she was wild.

She said she's wild. She said that she would jump from the kitchen counter to the sofa and just shirtless and braless. She's taking her tits out while people are over and leaping from the counter to the couch like a fucking calico. And military men? With her tits out. Yeah, how do you handle that? That's a lot. It's one thing if a woman's hot or whatever, but she's like, here are my tits. You're like, I don't know what to do with this. I mean...

I know what to do with it for a little while. I know what to do with it for like 30, 40 seconds. And after that, I don't know what to do with it anymore. I hope you know what to do with yours because you're going to be crying a lot. I invited a guy I recruited for the Army. Oh, good. I'll get my tits out. Wow. That's wild. And the interviewer said, wait, in front of you and your husband this would happen? And she says, yes.

My husband would go, oh, my gosh. Yeah, he did. We're like, we come over here all the time. This is great. Jesus Christ. It's free. Holy shit. I'm going to join the Army, the Navy, the Marine Corps, the Air Force. Yeah. Anything else you want me to join?

The Boy Scouts, I'll join them all. Is there a tip jar to keep this going? This is incredible. What happens if I stop tipping? And Jeff's just like, oh, that's my wife. That's what she does. Wow. And there's a baby in the house and everything. She's like, my tits have gotten bigger. Yeah. What a great mom. Good for her.

Good for her. Yeah. So they would hang out at home and they also stayed going out to bars and clubs together, the couples and all that kind of thing. Brittany said she'd be lively and animated and Jeff would be just sitting on the couch, relaxing, having his drink. It's very weird. Interesting. Like a Hugh Hefner relationship. Like, no, go on, girls. Go out and, you know, go out and frolic. Show them your tits, girls. Show them the goods, ladies. And then...

I'll be sitting here in my weird smoking jacket. Yeah. So they said that... Britney was asked if the two of them would fight ever. And Britney said Kat would fight, Jeff would not. What does that mean? That if you've seen the Sarah Boone trial... Oh, yeah. I think that's what they're discussing. It's gone.

All right. The text messages in that trial. Everybody, do yourself a favor. It's all on YouTube, the Sarah Boone trial. The text messages. Yeah. Because, I mean, the video she recorded, you know what happens in between videos. I mean, they're all her being aggressive, Sarah Boone being aggressive. It's a drunk girl yelling at a man. Yeah. And then the one with the video is because she's not drunk, she's mad at him. Wow.

He fell asleep. She wouldn't let him in the room, so he was sleeping on the floor in the hallway. And she came out and yelled at him. This is Sarah Boone, not George Torres, not Kat. And she's like, I told you not to go anywhere near me. You're out here, and now the whole hallway smells like you. And she's like yelling at him. I don't love you. Get the hell out of here. And she's sober? Well, she says, you drank. There was enough vodka there for two people to feel real nice, and you drank it all.

She's mad because he drank her vodka. Went through her portion to get to his. It's wild. But text messages are different. And text messages, you can see exactly what everybody says, and it is just her bullshit.

haranguing this guy and him saying fucking I love you I don't know what I don't know what happened what I'm sorry what did I do and like she's just like you don't even you Puerto Rican piece of shit like shit like you're like what the fuck yeah this lady's crazy fuck you then she'll like text her the guy's mother and be like he's a piece of shit you should come pick him up like he's 40 something years old you're like wow it's

It's crazy. So Kat would fight. Jeff would not. I'm not saying Kat is like Sarah Boone. I'm just saying that reminded me. I just watched the trial. She said Kat would get emotional. When she was drunk, she would get loud. That's normal. She would get feisty is the way she put it. Girl, you got to be so specific. Feisty.

When you say a woman who's drunk gets feisty, you know the guy version of that. Yeah. You know what I mean? A gal is a pain in the ass. A dude punches shit. They're violent. Yeah. But he would sit there and just say, okay, boo-boo. Okay, I love you. All right, baby girl. She'd go crazy and yell at him. He'd go, all right, all right, I love you, I love you, which is kind of what...

George Torres did too. So she said, you know, she said she never, he was never ever jealous though. It was never any put your tits away. Yeah. None of that. He's got a lot of confidence I'll say. And, um, and one other friend said that surprised me because I don't think many men would feel that way about that. No. Yeah. Your ultra hot wife with her tits out. I don't, a lot of guys would be like, Oh Jesus, I don't like this at all.

So 2014, they moved to Alabama. Here they come. Lock, stock, and barrel moving right into Alabama here. And he got a job as a campus police officer at a college here. So that's where they hang out. He's done with the...

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Now, Kat here on Facebook describes herself as a full-time wife and mom. She's got internet personality kind of thing where she takes very posed pictures and very staged shots. And on Facebook, she posted a lot of selfies of

And obviously all the commenters would be like, you're beautiful, you're hot, you're gorgeous, you know, all that shit, obviously. Yep. Yeah, that comes out of the woodwork if you're a woman posting shit on there. Boy, does it. Wow, man. Boy, you'll know quick. There's also photos of her wedding, though, and her and her husband and, you know, her and her husband and her daughter playing in the snow and shit like that. Next amongst the boudoir? No, no, not really boudoir on here. Okay. Here it's just like selfies and people are like, oh, you're hot. Got it.

But it's not like she's not trying to present herself as like I'm single and hot. She's like I'm a wife and mom. Here's my husband and kids. And here's also what I look like alone. But I'm pretty smoking at the same time. So she posts all that kind of shit. Her personal description, though, included the word exhibitionist in there. Oh, girl. And she doesn't mean art, I don't think. I don't think so either. I think she means having her tits out. I think she means jumping from counter to sink. Counters to sofas. Yeah.

She had a private Instagram account with 52,000 followers. Doing great. That just linked to OnlyFans, though. Really? So she'd have her site there where she'd post some teasing shit, and then she would link you to OnlyFans that would say, you'd go here for naughty fun. Doggone. And some of the images were included in a site for also mature hotties.

She's trying to get into the MILF market. Yeah. So she posted similar content on Twitter here where she joined about 2016. She started posting in March and she would just initially tweet links to a site where she sold clothes too. She sold dresses, coats, shoes and kids clothing. I don't know if she resold shit or did like whatever the fuck. So what do they call that?

I don't know. Upthrift? Is that it? I don't know. I don't know. That seems douchey. It's where you, like, take shit and then you make it a little... You go to Goodwill and then sell it for $3 more. No, you go to Goodwill and then you customize it and sell it. Oh, you customize. Yeah. So that'd be like Etsy then. Ish, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. So on August 11th, though, it all changed. Uh-huh.

when it turned into Nevermind Baby Clothes anymore. She tweeted, Happy Frisky Friday. Let's get this party started. I'm done fucking around. With a link to OnlyFans. There you go. Happy Frisky Friday. Who wants to see my tits? Is what it was there. So the description included a link to a wish list page where viewers could purchase lingerie for her. Yeah. And then she'll wear it for you.

Oh, boy. How fucking... Why are we doing this? Why isn't there a... And we, I mean men. Yeah. Why isn't there a... We don't get to touch that person. Why are we giving them lingerie? I've got a wish list full of snap-on tools. Buy those for me and watch me work on my car. That's all. Nobody wants that. I would hope not. I wish they would. I mean, I'm sure there are women that have weird...

car fantasies. Do you think there are some that would want to watch you work on something? Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. Women love that shit. Did I just start something? No, that's pretty huge. Does that exist? Yes, absolutely. Does it really? Yes. You just invented something that's been around for a long time. People pay to watch people work on cars? Yes. They pay to watch people sleep. They pay to watch people do everything. Yes. There is a niche. If you can think of a niche, it exists everywhere.

And there's people making more money than you could ever fathom. God, they've been doing anything. 2000 and late in 2000 and broke. Fucking that's what it goes, man. So she this is you can see sex sexier images here for 1599 a month.

That's a pretty good deal. I mean, that's like Hulu with no ads. That's three of us, by the way. Yeah, that's three Patreon. I think we put out more. Our tits aren't there, but our episodes are better. We put more work, right? Yes. Yes. Absolutely. If I had tits, that's what I'd be doing, but I don't.

So Jeff, most of the time, he was the photographer for these. So that's how much he didn't mind. He was the one taking the fucking pictures. He was helping her and, you know, like suggesting poses for her and shit. Like, this looks sexy. Do that. Bend it over. And she had hundreds of paying subscribers that known her as Kitty Cat West. Hundreds paying $16 a month. She's making a fucking living. Her friend said she was very out loud about it. She was making money. Oh.

So there's a weird thing when stuff happens in this case where lots of press accounts say double life. She doubled. There's no double life. It's one life. I mean, it's yeah. During the day, she's, you know, a mom and getting her kid fucking Cheerios and shopping up fruit and shit. But then at night she's taking her tits out. But it's not a double life. Everyone knows about it. She's not just two jobs. That's all.

Her husband is involved in it. Her friends know about it. It's not. She posted on her public pages on Twitter. She has two jobs that are polar opposites of each other. That's all. Yeah. She's a mom and she shows her tits. She's like Batman. She's like 65% of women, I think. She's Batman is what she is. Doing nice, boring work during the day and at night. She's having the fun. Doing the Lord's work at night.

So now OnlyFans, a little bit of background for OnlyFans here. It has become a huge deal for celebrities. The amount of money that people make on OnlyFans is staggering. It's unbelievable. It's staggering. There's actresses that go on there that make more fucking money on there than they do in their whole careers acting. It's insane. And a bunch of them don't even show anything. No, that's the other thing. What is that? What are we paying for? What?

I don't know why anyone would pay for nude pictures of anyone at this point when there's free porn all over the place. Twitter is just porn now. Yes. Actual porn, James. Cock money shots. Actual porn. That's in between 8 trillion political posts. So that's all Twitter is now is just political posts. Aggressive political posts and then a cock shooting jizz everywhere. Yay. Wow. Boy, did this turn out great. This is looking good.

So this, I guess the big thing that made this big was the Bella Thorne thing when she went on there. Who's that? She was a Disney star. Oh. And then when she was older, she went on there. She made a million dollars on the first day posting, quote, lifestyle content. Not showing her pussy. No. Just posting, here's me having spaghetti. Yep. Wow. And then it became also then obviously there's women who do. Catch me outside, girl.

Yeah, I mean, there's women who do... That's just a porn site. That's what she does. Yeah, they do their porn on there. So, yeah, she... That girl also... Made a million dollars. She also sells...

Yeah, I know. That's just terrifying. She sells quote-unquote rap. Yeah. And then fist fucks herself. I don't know, man. Well, I mean, fist fucking yourself, that's something. That takes talent. That takes talent. I don't want to hear her rap. I don't either. No. I don't really want to watch her fist fuck herself either, but I mean... I don't want either of those things. That seems like a product that's not aimed at me. Man.

So they also say that there's a bunch of people, there's a former teacher in a YouTube video telling people that she quadrupled her income posting nudes on OnlyFans. She said, I would wear things that allow me to feel sexy because when I feel sexy, I feel powerful. That's when I...

make you get A's. That's when you're going to get A's and B's right there. Here, another woman saying she's working her way through a neuroscience master's program. It's amazing. That's fucking amazing. It's changing the world. That is hilarious here. Also, a Minnesota pastor...

left the pulpit to go on OnlyFans and made a shitload of money. Stop it. Yes, because that's a real good business too. You could do that. Or if you're now these college, like if you're a college chick athlete, they all like do OnlyFans with like, you know, team gear around them and shit. There are girls, because now they're allowed to do that. There are college athlete girls that you've never heard of that play volleyball or soccer or something that make fucking millions of dollars a year.

Unbelievable. Millions on there. Fingering herself on a Georgia Bulldogs jersey. I don't even know if they're fingering themselves. That's the other thing. They might just be doing their homework. That's the thing. Yeah, you don't know. Wow. That's fucking nuts. So Brittany said Kat, when not behind the website, was not always confident.

On the outside, not confident, but on the website, once you can edit photos how you want and take the angle you want and everything, then she feels confident. And she said, yes, you have your husband, but you always want to be pretty to others. And remarkably, Jeff seemed to love it.

Brittany said. Loved that other guys paid attention to her because that made him feel like a big man. Yeah, he's winning. Look at me. They want her. I got her. I get to have her. So she said, Jeff got the best of both worlds. He was able to be with his wife. She got what she wanted, which was to get to make money. I get to show off what I have, and he's not going to leave me. Everybody's happy. He wants to see tits. She wants her tits out. Doesn't care who looks at him. She has a mind showing to people. Everybody's happy. Wow.

Great. Good for you. That's fine. Imagine. 2018, her online shit really ramped up, though. She's...

pretty much, you know, posting everything. Only fans is her big thing now. And, uh, Brittany said she was starting to get knee deep in that type of industry. I think she started to see money rolling in. It was like, well, if I do more, I make more money. That's, you know, how you do with everything. Right. So, I mean, go get a hot dog stand. You're gonna go, well, if I get two hot dog stands, I make even more money. Start a podcast. Start a podcast. Let's do fucking five more and then let's do Patreon and then let's never sleep and then let's fucking record every goddamn day and every day and every day and every day.

It's going to pay off, I swear. And then with OnlyFans, she'd get subscribers and she could communicate with them and subscribers could make requests with her and all that kind of shit. That's how it's going. That's going leading up to 2018. December 20th, 2017 here. Here are some texts between Jeff and Kat.

Okay, this is December 20th, like I said. Five days before Christmas. Yeah, this is getting in the Christmas spirit. This is some real Christmas spirit stuff right here. When your wife sends you this right before Christmas, you're going to go, this is going to be a good holiday. I'm getting nothing. Quote, show me now or it is goodbye. No more games. Never doing this holiday again with you. It goes the same every year. My family treats you like family. Your family treats me like shit.

It says shut, I believe. Oh, it says shut. I believe it's a typo. Okay. I'm done with you being too scared to stand up to your mom for being a bitch after almost 14 years of promises. You have to want to be with me. I love you. You don't love me. Your mom's a bitch. Your mom's a bitch. Oh, boy.

That's, this is a tough one. Yeah. This is a tough one. I, my first wife and my mother. Didn't get along. They, my mother, my mother. No, they don't get along. So my mother's, she's, she's great, but she will, she's tough. Yeah. And, um, this is an Italian lady named Angela. That's what I mean. That's what I mean. She's from the fucking Bronx. Her mother stabbed people. Like she's not, she's meant for conflict.

And so like my ex-wife would get angry that I would not defend her. And I'm like, you two don't even need to talk. I don't need to be in the. If you can't get along, just don't don't even talk. And apparently that was unacceptable. And I was supposed to I was supposed to like, you know, make me make a bridge between them. And like I was just like, just ignore her. Leave her alone. She'll leave you alone. Let's stop it. And I don't know if I was wrong or not, but.

see some cranberry sauce let's get the fuck out of here I really didn't have time for that bullshit is what it was I'm trying to make noodles get out yeah go so I was like I wouldn't fight with her that was my advice I moved out so I don't have to fight with her leave me alone I try not to fight with her I don't know what to tell you

I'm going to tell you how I approach this. You know my mother. She's like a force of nature. There's no stopping her. You can't stop her. Perhaps she's changing now because she's always so sweet. Oh, she's a sweetheart. But she never stops. She's like a fucking floodwaters. Just get out of the way. It's coming. It's coming. So tough shit.

So January 4th, 2018, right after the holidays here, Kat texts her husband. I know you're scared to tell me you don't want to be with me, but it's only hurting me more by lying. And then she said, if you don't want me, if you don't want me, say it. He replied, baby, I want you. Do you want me? We never really talked after New Year's Eve.

Oh, my. So I don't know why. Yeah. Two weeks now. Two weeks. Well, after New Year's Eve. So in three days, they haven't talked about this or haven't talked at all. What the fuck? It's weird. So on January 6th, 2018, she said, this is the last time you will fuck me over. Oh, you promised. You don't want me. Fine. Someone will. And he said, I always want you.

And then she wrote, you're throwing almost 14 years of marriage away. Really? That's what I mean to you. And then she sent him a middle finger emoji. Fantastic. I just started using it. The height of maturity. That's good stuff. Another time she wrote, stop texting during the conversation. So the middle finger emoji, that is. Imagine. Okay. Imagine your grandparents. Everyone out there. Imagine your grandma and your grandpa.

And they're fighting. And they're sending letters to each other. And they're sending letters with a drawn middle finger on it. There you go, Harold. And they're like, listen, Alice, I tried my best. Stop writing back. I will not accept delivery of your postage.

Middle finger. Middle finger. Drawn. Return to sender. Middle finger on it. There you go. That's how you had to do it back then. It took three days. Ah, it's incredible. So January 12th. By January 12th, 2018, it seems like everything is okay again. Okay. Because they're having a date night.

So I don't know if they're trying to talk to each other. Maybe they're taking a date night to go talk about it. I don't know what they're doing here. But earlier in the day, Kat tweets a link to sell a woman's wool jacket that day. Okay. So she's got some shit for sale. A few days earlier, she posted a lingerie photo showing her, her

Her bare ass linked to her adult site there. Yeah, it's a G-string type deal. Sure. You see her ass, though. I don't know when, as a society, we decided as long as your butthole is covered, I don't see your ass. But I see your ass.

I'm not complaining. I'm just saying your ass is on full display. And sometimes the asshole gets... I don't care if the asshole's seen or not. I don't need to see that. Sometimes the ring around the asshole is seen. That's your asshole. You're seeing peripheral asshole. Just because wrinkles are covered doesn't mean I don't see your asshole. I see that you tried to bleach it and everything, but still. Seen one, you've seen them all. I know what that looks like. It's right there. That's the side of a butthole.

My darling. He got side hole out. Oh, my darling. Big butthole. Side wrinkles. Jesus. Side butthole wrinkles. So that day also, he said he took their daughter Lola to middle school. Sure. And then spent the rest of the day hunting with his father, William Gerald West. So there you go. He's hunting. When he got home, that's when grandpa. Yeah.

Yeah. Jeff's dad took Lola to spend the weekend with her grandparents. Oh, yeah. Which wasn't uncommon. Yeah. That's a nice thing. Then they get a weekend alone together. Get out of here. I'm going to solve problems with your mom. And she's 12 at this point. By the time you get home, it's going to be a happy house. Plus, by the time you get home, you can't have a 12-year-old in the house where you're doing a lingerie photo shoot with your ass out probably. Yeah.

I don't think so. Ma, is that side rink? What is that? Ma, I can see side. Ma, that's side rink. I see it. I see side. I see wrinkles. I see where the color changes. Ma, seriously. You have a wider butthole than I think you're aware of, Ma. I don't think you realize. You picture your butthole is very narrow, but it's actually a decent width. You need a fatter band on that thong, Ma. Fatter band. That's how it goes.

So Jeff and Kat go to dinner at the Red Zone Bar and Grill. Hell yeah. That's where they're going. That sounds trashy. I like it. That sounds like they're going to, like, on Saturdays you can't even get in there when the Alabama game's on. You can smell the beer, Matt. Oh, yeah. I picture it like Toso's. Or worse. Yeah. But, yeah, that smell. That smell. That stale beer and, like, old grease. Oh, God damn it. That place smells so bad. And kitchen workers fucking each other in the bathroom and shit like that. You walk in and you go, what?

What is it? What is that? Is that bathroom? Is it old grease? Is it grease? Stale beer or piss? Oh, it's a lovely potpourri is what it is. It's a combination of the three. Thank you. That's nice. It's a lovely candle. What a gift. So her friend, Kat's friend, said they go out to a restaurant. You know, they have some drinks and dinner. Yeah. And yeah. So after dinner, they stopped at a liquor store. Hell yeah. And security cameras show them shopping and they look to be happy. They're not. Nobody's...

Angry hands in pockets. They're laughing. Their hands are moving. We went to a sports bar and we left that. Now we're getting more booze. To go home. Hell yeah. To tie one on. That's good shit. Kidless night. Yes, I mean, this is a Friday night for the kidless couple here. So it shows them purchasing what appears to be a bottle of lucid absinthe and another bottle.

So two bottles here and everything seemed fine. At one point on the video, he even pats her on the ass a couple of times. So if you're patting on the ass, things are going well in your relationship. If she's like middle finger emoji, you know, come over here, sweetheart, and pat her on the ass. Right.

So after drinks and dinner, that's when they stop. It's R&R Wine and Liquor is where they stopped. And they got absinthe. She picked out the absinthe. He got himself Jameson whiskey. Jesus. My God, he is going to town. That's a man. He's drinking like fucking McNulty. Yeah. Drinking like he's got something to forget. Like a divorced homicide detective. That's what you're drinking like.

Who's behind on his child support. Out of the bottle. Wow, the total was $139. Yeah, that absinthe is expensive. It's expensive shit. And so is Jameson. It's all expensive. Liquor's expensive anyway. Jameson's like $40, $50 a bottle though. If you flick it,

And it's glass? It's going to cost you. If it's plastic, it's shit. You'll feel awful tomorrow. $12.99, forget about it. So then they stopped at the grocery store to pick up an energy drink, a mixer maybe. I don't know. Maybe they were just getting tired. Going to tie one on for the night here. Then they went back to their home in Calera where they each had approximately six drinks. God damn. This is after they were already drinking. Yeah. So that's drunk. I tell you, when they take the kids away, this is –

As a person with kids, you know, you're like, kids are gone. Yeah. That's a lot of drinks. That's a lot of drinks. Later on, after all these drinks, Kat changes into lingerie and asks Jeff to take pictures of her for the online shit. Yeah, now we're drunk in your lingerie. You're going to be fucking. It's going to be great. Very little hotter than a super drunk chicken. That's the worst. Take pictures of me.

Well, if it's your wife, it's fine. Yeah, but until she bends over, doesn't touch the carpet, and then her face just plows right in the ground. I mean, at least you have it recorded so no one thinks you did it. I mean, that's not your fault. Yeah, I don't want her falling down and then having bruises that she can blame on me. You don't want that. You don't want her to fall anyway, but still. So Jeff photographed Kat for her site, and that's how it went. She was wearing a pink bra.

multicolored panties and pink stiletto heels. Shit. Yeah. Pictures were taken about nine 30. And, uh, Jeff said he then went to bed by himself. Uh, that night he posted a bottle. He posted a picture of the absent bottle. Yeah. Standing up on the counter at some point on his Instagram page for some reason. Okay. When you're drunk, you think that's a good idea. Everybody's gonna be some breath. You're gonna be like, wow, he's drinking. This guy's doing it.

So the next morning at 5 a.m. is when Makorsha Purifoy is on her way to work at the fast food restaurant. And she said she saw a person which she thought was lying halfway in the road. She got her parents, came back.

And Mark Orsha said her body was frozen, like frozen. I was traumatized. I was just in the car crying. She was only wearing a sports bra is what she said. So her mother called 911 and the mother said they asked us they asked to see if she was breathing or not. And she wasn't. And so we just waited for the police to get there.

She tells 911 operator she's face down with no clothes on. The lady looks dead. Oh, my God. Dead nude lady. Yeah. I know you guys are busy sometimes, as I've heard from a review, but could you comes now possibly? Yeah.

Face down, ass up, all blue. All blue. Comes. Dead. Yeah. So they said you could hear her saying ma'am over the 911 trying to wake her up, but she's obviously got no response. And she said her husband touched the woman and saw no signs of life to see if she was cold or just whatever. You could tell from that person. There's no animation. No, that's not good.

She said she noticed the lights were on in the house across the street, which was the West home. Oh, it's her house. That's the West home here and said the front door was opened. This is the Marcosha's mom through which she could see a man pacing back and forth.

Now, there was also a booze bottle. It's the absinthe bottle is near. This is Kat's body. Yeah. And it's right near Kat's body. And and it was on top of a cell phone. OK. So the bottle is on top of the cell phone laying there, which is strange. Yeah.

Now, the woman who called 911 told the dispatcher she could see a man inside this house right here pacing back and forth in front of the window. Yeah. Maybe that has something to do with it. Perhaps connected. We don't know. So really interesting. And they said the liquor bottle, there's no way this is like an accident. It has to be placed on top of the cell phone for it to go that way. So the police are obviously going to treat this as a homicide for now. They treat everything as a homicide, but-

The Jeff here, they don't no comment from him. Obviously, he's in the house fucking pacing. So the first officer gets there and it is Officer Fred Yarenko. And he said he was among the first officers on the scene and also served as the evidence technician there.

Which is strange because they usually have a set person that is, that's what they do. Yeah. Like, this is like, draw short straws to see who's going to have to fucking collect. First arrivals start cataloging. That's not good. No. For murder cases, you need someone who, that's what they do. Yeah, but if this is your area, you better get to work. I suppose. Put on all your hats. Shit. So he said that he noticed the lights on in the West home and the door open with someone standing inside.

While he was talking to the woman who called 911, because he showed up, he was talking to them, and he said the door closed. Oh. Now, this is odd behavior from Jeff, because he obviously must know his wife's not in the house.

Yeah. And he sees cops don't know where she is. And now there's cops and shit and people are gathered around what looks like a white lady laying in the street. So don't talk to me right now. I'm gathering my thoughts. Real weird shit here. So they said that the criminal investigator named Sergeant Mike Melhoff arrived about a half hour later. He said, looking at the scene, Kathleen's head is laying in the road. Her body is actually laying in the grass. Oh, wow. Yeah. So it's not her feet on the road. It's her head.

They said there was something else he noticed right away. He said it appeared that the body had been moved more than once. Oh. Which is interesting because she was found lying in a pool of blood, and this is right across the street from her house. But the cop noticed, this investigator noticed, that there's another pool of blood nearby. Hmm.

So either there was a second person or she was moved. So next to Kat's body, her cell phone and an open bottle of absinthe were there, which is interesting. And they said the bottle of absinthe was mostly full, they testified to. The officer would say later on. There was a very optimistic fellow. That's it's mostly full.

There was a cork nearby, and he said he didn't notice any spilled alcohol from the bottle. There was also a matchbox from a restaurant, and that was the restaurant they had been earlier in the night, the Red Zone. And, yeah, he said that he thoroughly documented everything. He said, quote, this was a big deal for us.

Sure. It's a small town. You don't usually get a blonde lady dead in the road with no fucking top on. But it seems as though in L.A. this would be a big fucking deal. Anywhere this would be a big deal. This is just a big deal. Yeah. Generally you find dead people who their lifestyle doesn't

expect you to find them on the side of the road and be moved and be moved also several blood pools so the sergeant here said the absinthe bottle it was just propped up on the phone just like that it's like leaning on it like you couldn't make it stay like that unless you like you had to set it and go ah perfect right

So he said it was weird. He said it just did not seem right like that. He said it would have landed in such a way that there's no way it would have landed in such a way that it did other than it being staged like that. And that's interesting. And her friend also said it looked staged. And her friend said the bottle was placed on that phone. Well, unless the Dude Perfect guys did it. By somebody. Yeah.

Yeah. So Kat, they look, they take her into the medical examiner. She has a roughly two inch gash on the left side of her head. And the cause of death is blunt force trauma to the head. So whatever caused that gash broke her skull in basically. They said the injury that she suffered was enough to actually fracture the skull.

The autopsy showed signs of sex, but there was no indication of sexual assault. And her blood alcohol level was 0.23. That's a hammered gown. Which is up there. Yeah, you're drinking, which I mean she's in her own house drinking. Go crazy. But the medical examiner could not say exactly how that cat sustained the injury. They never was able to figure it out. The manner of death is ruled undetermined.

Really? Because they have no idea what happened. Is that right? They don't know if it was an accident. Yeah, but a pantsless gal didn't do this to herself. I mean, if you know her, being pantsless and drunk is just normal for her around the house. For her to get drunk and run around with no pants on is commonplace. Golly. That's very normal for her. Now, it's very strange. They post, this is a big news story. Sure. And this woman's found. They haven't talked to her husband, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

The underneath this article, there's a shitload of comments and I just picked out some weird ones to care to check this out. Somebody said, um, hopefully there are fingerprints on the phone and bottle phone in her home computer will have loads of info.

So it's trying to figure out what people are thinking happened here. Somebody else says, why is this news? What? What? How many suburban women are found dead naked half in the road in front of their own homes? Is that normal, really? I don't know. I don't want to hear about it. Why is this news? Tell me about the strawberry fast. What the fuck? Another guy says, risky business to be involved in. How? It's not. No.

That's what I mean. She's not out on the street flagging down truckers for blowjobs. This is from her home with her husband taking the pictures. How is that? This is the most safe that you can do. And then says there's a lot of truly evil people roaming free in society. And that has 22 likes and no dislikes. Is that right? Like how? Another one said, quote, so this beautiful young mother dies and people have made it all about some sexual photos she took. Why should she be singled out and shamed when there's so many other people doing it without getting any flack?

True. Why is this news? Why is this news? And then somebody says, very sad, but how could her husband not know what she was up to? He did know what she was up to, but that's what a lot of people thought was that. So obviously they got to talk to Jeff. Yeah. Because they said Jeff was standing in the doorway. At one point he was on the porch smoking a cigarette and watching the events, but not coming over there or saying, hey, that my wife.

Yeah. Hey, let me ask you a question. Could you guys get out of the way? My wife's coming home soon. Whoa, this is going to be crazy. She kind of looks like that. Oh, shit.

So they said when the detective spoke to Jeff inside, he said his behavior is not what I expected it to be, knowing that his wife was outside. He knew his behavior should be crushed. Yeah. You know, whatever. Holy shit. So he said everybody grieves in a different way, which is true. Some people are stoic and some people are more shocked and some people are emotional. He said, and that was something I kept telling myself.

As a cop, though, if you get a suspicion, follow that shit. I can't follow my gut. I only do evidence and...

I mean, it's not like you're related to this guy. I just kept telling myself, everyone grieves in a different way. It's fine. As a cop, you should be looking for shit to be suspicious about, right? Can't do it. I got to follow the evidence. I don't want people to think I'm being all suspicious of people all the time. I don't want people to think I jump to conclusions. When you're a detective, people think you're suspicious, and I just like to try to make it real comfortable for people all... You got to wait until the blood evidence comes back. You know how it goes.

So they said, what happened, Jeff? And he said, I went to bed at 1030. Yeah. I woke up at 515 a.m. My dogs woke me up barking at all the police lights outside the house. So I woke up. Dogs. I was confused. I looked outside and the cop said he found it very odd that Jeff didn't ask for any details about his wife's condition. Nothing. He never said, is she OK? Oh, is she dead? Is she alive? Is she hurt? Nothing. He just was like.

I went to bed then. I woke up then, but never asked, like, by the way, is she okay? Can I go see her? Next question. Next question. They said, the detective said, I would have thought that he would have at least asked, you know, can I see her? Yeah. Something like that. So they don't understand what happened. They're trying to figure it out. They're wondering, is it an accident? Was she so intoxicated she fell and cracked her head?

Or was it murder? Did somebody kill her? So if so, who killed her? So they're trying to figure all this out. They're searching the neighborhood, clues, witnesses. They take Jeff to headquarters to talk to him. He stays there for about six hours. He said he was absolutely cooperative.

He did that. A former Calera police officer and current Shelby County Sheriff's deputy. And I feel I feel for this man because his name is worse than mine. Oh, and where he lives, this is tough. Luigi Ragazzoni. Oh, yeah. Oh, what it is, Luigi. Wow. Ragazzoni, actually. Yeah, fuck.

Luigi said he was on the scene documenting the list of first responders and, of course, taking a lot of shit where people are telling him to get a mushroom and saying, I guess you're late to save the princess. Whenever he shows up at a crime scene and there's a dead lady, they go, you're a little late to save the princess, Luigi. They say it every fucking time, I bet. Would you ride a dinosaur here or something? Oh, for Christ's sake. Look at you. How many coins you got, Luigi? Empty your pockets.

So they said while he was doing so, a man later he found out was Jeff West approached him and said, that's my wife. And Luigi said he apologetically informed Jeff, well, your wife's dead. Yeah. I mean, that's what it is.

He said, Luigi said, I went from logging and assisting somebody in distress to assisting someone in distress. He said they talked about things other than Kat's death, such as guns and Jeff's military service. He said it was a human to human conversation.

Not a business transaction type of deal here. He was trying to make Jeff feel better. What are you, in the military? Check this out. This is a .40 now. By the way, my wife's dead out there. I don't know if you noticed that or not. Don't worry about it. Let me show you what he carries. Let me check this out. Check this out. This guy's an old... He's old school. Carries a .44 mag. Fucking weird.

So Luigi accompanied Jeff back inside his home, and the body cam records everything here. Some of the recording, they get all here, and Jeff just said you hear him on one of the parts say, I woke up and saw all this, meaning you and them and everything. He said he had no idea what happened to Kat. He was adamant about that. He speculated it might have been an accident. He also said their marriage was in a good place right now. We were having a good day. We were having a good day.

I tagged him. I said, you're it. Yeah, which is not it. So that's a Sarah Boone reference again. So in the interrogation at the police department, or really an interview, they're not really interrogating him. They don't really even have any suspicions. There's no questions. They don't know shit at this point. The detective asked Jeff about the couple's relationship and their sex life. Oh, boy. During that conversation, Jeff said that his wife was bisexual. Oh.

This guy's got a fucking... He's hit the lottery. What a party he's got going on. And they talked about having relations with other women. Okay, come on, Jeff. What? What the fuck, man? What is... You braggadocious... What do you have, Jeff? I want to know what is it? What is...

happening what do you what's in there what do you possess yeah what is it that is that the antidote like what the fuck do you have wow man do you have the cure for something that they don't know about that we don't know yet money he's a five and a half

It's Hammer, right? That's the next one. It's got to be because he's a fucking campus security officer. The kids make fun of that guy. Yeah. Oh, God. He's like, have you seen my hot wife? I'm going to have a threesome with her and her fucking big-titted friend later. So fuck you, kids. How's that? Enjoy smoking on campus. Yeah, enjoy. So he said they talked about that. Specifically, three women in Calera that they talked about having. Oh.

So they were like to the point, not just like, I want to have a chick. They were like, maybe this one. They're down to the final three. They're down to the final three. This guy is about to have a party. There's only two roses on the table. This is incredible. He said she liked girls. She recently wanted to look into, quote, the lifestyle. My God. This guy is having way too much fun for his life. They discussed that.

Men who'd subscribe to Kat's website would occasionally reach out to her in a private messenger and sometimes even send pictures of themselves. Well, yeah, you're right. My dad knows. And he said she would just delete the pictures when asked if he was ever jealous of the other men. He said there's nothing to be jealous about. Me and her were in a good spot.

She's giving me extra ass. I mean, she's trying to get extra women over here to fuck me. I got a surplus of pussy in this house. This is wild. Pussy tits jumping around. It's crazy. You ever come in from the bathroom and have your wife just tits out, jump from a counter to a sofa? It's amazing. Here's the thing. We had a kid, and then life got better. Yeah. What? Somehow it got awesome. God damn it. Jesus fucking Christ. She's jumping around like a gremlin. Oh, God.

So he said, I'm not jealous of it, meaning the pictures online. He said, it's just pictures. She got money for it. And he also said he didn't believe that she had cheated on him except for possibly one time many, many years ago in California. He said she's never stepped out on the marriage. Now, he said he had six drinks that night. He said in a scale of one to ten in terms of drunk, ten being drunkest, he and his wife were about a six.

You're a six. She's a nine. But still, yeah. She was a .23, and that's a six? That's a six in this house. Good God. So a 10 is your breath is flammable here. Yeah. There's marks, bruises. Yeah. They got back to their house at 8.30. He said that his wife was a member of the internet site called the Cougar Club. Okay. There you go. And Kathleen made pictures of herself in lingerie and posted them on the site. And people who visited the site could purchase the Facebooks.

pictures and that was in their PayPal account because he was asking him how does the money go and he goes well it goes in there it goes in your PayPal account and then you transfer it to your bank account so then when they arrived back to their house after eating dinner he said that Kathleen went to change into a pink bra and pink panties and pink high-heeled shoes so she could post photographs for Cougar Club he said that his wife often drank and when she was drunk she would go out of the house and into the yard or

Which is what everybody says, too. Even her parents say she'd wander off when she was drinking or even sober. She liked to go outside and do shit. She would turn into like a 10-year-old when she was drunk. He said that she'd go outside shit-faced and would go jump on the trampoline in the backyard. That's unbelievable. That's a stomach, an iron gut she's got. She's not kidding. So about halfway through the interview, the detective told Jeff that they believed his wife had been murdered. And Jeff said, how?

Good question. You tell us, big guy. He said, that's what we're trying to figure out. Your wife is dead. Something went wrong. He said that he told Jeff that there was a hole to the side of her head and that Jeff questioned whether it was possible that someone else had come to the home. Or they said, did you think someone could have come after you were asleep? And he goes, I was asleep. How the fuck should I know? I don't know. He said he didn't know for sure what happened, but the only thing he could think of that may have occurred was

was that in the past when his wife would be tanked, there were times where she would go jump on the trampoline and maybe that was it. And, you know, they had some evidently they had some place. They had that in the backyard. So, you know, maybe that was it. He said he thought as a result of her jumping on the trampoline, being drunk.

maybe she lost her balance and hit her head, maybe on the bar or the perimeter side of the trampoline. I got dazed. And he thinks that maybe that's what, maybe she wandered out into the front and died. Yeah. Back up and then fell again. Maybe that's it. Yeah. Got back up, tried to give, go to the house and got confused or something. I mean, who knows? What a nightmare could be anything really. So it's fucking weird. So the Sergeant here, uh, says that he examined the backyard and, uh,

Looked over the whole trampoline. I mean, you've got luminol out there and they found no blood, no traces of blood on the trampoline, on the bar of the trampoline around or in any other location in the backyard. So whatever happened, it didn't happen back here is what he said. Right.

So Jeff tells investigators that they say, you know, you sound like you keep saying perfect marriage, perfect marriage, but nobody's marriage is perfect. What are your problems? And he said, well, there was some level of unhappiness, mainly because Kat wanted to have sex four or five times a week. And he did not always want to have sex that often. That's not just bang your wife.

Hmm. If she's like, Hey, I really fucking throw her one. What are you doing? You've got a gal that's hotter than you that wants to fuck. You better fuck her. That's your job. And she's going to bring over other chicks too. You know where you're worthy. Yeah.

Get a pill and get to work. Sling that shit. Yeah. Don't even need a pill. He's like fucking 35 years old. Skin that smoke wagon. Get in there and see what happens. Check out the hook while my DJ revolves it, motherfucker. Honest to God. Let's get in there. You got a problem. Let's solve it. Holy shit. So he said, I'm not as sexual as she is. It is what it is. I'm happy with myself. She wasn't happy with it. Yeah. So Jeff said his wife.

claimed he hit her once in California and he said he was blocking her from hitting him when it happened and because they said was there ever any violence at all he said I mean years ago this happened the night he died that she died though he said there's no argument no violence he said again quote we were in a good spot we were having a good day good spot

says we keep saying having a good day from the sarah boone case in the interrogation if you keep saying don't listen to patreon she's the lady who zipped her boyfriend up in a suitcase and she says repeatedly over and over not only in her interview she said to the psychologist too because on the stand they kept saying she kept saying quote we were having a good day and i'm like she keeps telling everyone that she want everybody to know everyone we were having a good day

I just love that she thought she was getting away with it, man, the whole time. From investigation, interrogation, all the way to trial and verdict. She thought they were going to come out and go, don't drink booze anymore, but have a good day. Her lawyer's closing argument, it was the worst closing argument I've ever seen. He threw like eight things out there and he goes, I mean, reasonable doubts. You all don't even have to have the same reasonable doubts.

So you can have a doubt about one thing, you can have a doubt about something else, and that's fine. I got a doubt you don't have a law degree. Fuck.

They showed the video over and over again. It's like you could see the suitcase moving. He's begging for his life saying, I can't breathe. And she's like, fuck you. Wasn't there like a drink in the camera view too? I don't know about that one. A different one there was. She was just filming. They drank three liters of Woodbridge that day. Woodbridge Chardonnay. God damn. From a Florida Publix. Someone's going to die.

Someone's life is going to end if you're buying that much Woodbridge Chardonnay. I'm sorry. No one can drink that much Woodbridge. It's just not possible. Somebody's going to die. Somebody's going to die in some way, shape, or form.

So he said we were totally in a good spot. I would not hurt my wife, which I don't like. I don't either. I like I didn't. I didn't kill my wife is what I like. Yeah, I don't like the two words. Would not. And then the minimization of hurt is not kill. She's not hurt. Yeah. Yeah. So that she doesn't feel anything. I don't like either one. I don't like anything in that sentence there.

So they searched the house. An evidence technician with the police department said that he conducted a search of the house to see if there was a secondary crime scene in the house. He found no secondary scene, but he did find a pair of woman's pants and underwear on the kitchen table. She is a part. She takes her underwear off, just throws them on the table and frolics. Wow.

Awesome. The underwear matched what Kathleen had been wearing in photographs that she sent from her phone to his phone at 931 and 942 on the evening of her death. The shirt that she was wearing that night was never recovered by police. I don't know where the hell it is. No shirt. No shirt. So the shirt she was wearing when she got home, nowhere to be found.

anywhere in the house where'd it go it vaporized it's what I mean it couldn't have it came off so fast it vaporized maybe that's what her clothes are like dandelion sports she takes them off and they go and they just more clothes grow wow

So Kat's family here, this is her mom, says,

She goes on to say, There's the answer. There you go. So...

Days go by, no progress. Because they looked and said there's no physical evidence of shit. It's just she wandered out there and has a head injury, a mysterious head injury. They don't have a weapon. They don't have a fucking, they can't put together. They can't put together a timeline of what they think happened. Their timeline ends at 1030 when Jeff said he went to bed. And then it's, she could have wandered, could have been two in the morning. We don't know. We don't know.

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This is people trying to figure it out. Neighbors are concerned here and everything like that. One neighbor who lives two doors down said it's shocking that it happened so close to home. So all you can do is worry about and think about your family, and that's all I've been doing. No. No.

This has nothing to do with your family, obviously. Yeah, it has nothing to do with your family. Come on. So this guy was just like, I'm looking up that neighbor. I really want to see. I can't believe this was happening two doors down. I had no idea. I had no idea. My dick should have been rock hard the whole time.

Well, he's sitting there looking through all the pictures going, no, I'm just looking for info, baby. That's all it is. I'm trying to find it. Trying to crack the case. I always thought I could fancy myself a detective. I think I can go through this. This case is juicy. Oh, boy. I'll tell you what. By the way, meet me in the bedroom about five minutes. Would you, darling?

I'm running down her gift list. I'm going to get you a few things. Oh, I'm going to get you something. You're going to look nice. I'm going to put something on here for the kids. There you go, kids. Excellent. There's some bluey, and I'm going to get me some blowy. Your dildo. Bluey for you and blowy for me. Let's do this. All right, then.

So the word of the death is met with a lot of sadness. Her friends, people she worked out with at the gym and all that kind of thing. One friend from the gym said she'd come in and do her thing and leave. She kind of kept to herself. She'd wave and smile. She was a nice lady. Yeah. Don't talk to me about my tits. Leave me alone. So the investigation there, they're really the cops, by the way.

I think it was at 48 hours that they talked to the cops on this. And the cop, the sergeant, Mike Melhoff, the main investigator here, they asked him, had you heard of OnlyFans? Yeah.

And he said, no, ma'am. This is the first day he heard of this website? So, yeah. So now not only does he have to investigate a murder, but he's got to figure out a whole corner of the Internet that he knows nothing about. This is going to blow his fucking mind. I tell you what, I spent a good week just looking into it. I locked myself in a room and I said to my wife, you leave me alone. I made a list of all the females in my life and then I searched their names. So, you know, and then I just looked for pretty ladies.

And then I just looked at all the results of those women. I feel like I got the lay of the land now. You know, there's 963 genus. So they said, could one of her only fan subscribers have stalked and murdered her?

And he said, do we have someone else out there that's actually killing people? He doesn't know. So they said they knew they needed to cast a wider net than just Jeff, considering there was thousands and hundreds of people drooling over her tits. Yeah. It's real possible that one of them did it. He went to bed and somebody did something terrible to her. So they sent Jeff home and they said they spent about three weeks, quote, looking for other suspects, which is figuring out OnlyFans and how it works and stuff.

Putting subscriptions on the county's credit card. Well, we have to know how the subscriptions work. Pause and taking long lunches. Yeah. I'm going to go home and take a shower real quick.

He said there were thousands of names that had to be culled through in order to properly investigate this. Basically, every one of her social media followers had to be talked to, asked about. Not just subscribers, even. She's got 50,000 Instagram followers, man. Yeah, go through that shit. God damn it. So, I mean, if a guy was in the Philippines or something, he's probably not the guy. Pretty easy to write him off. Yeah. As they continued to gather evidence...

They said they had more public involvement than they even wanted. The internet went crazy. Now, any time past about 2016, any time someone's murdered and it's not solved immediately, the internet wants to solve it. And they rarely do. Sometimes they, once in a while... They're batting like...

Real bad. Real bad. But they're bad. If you remember Sherry Papini, you understand that none of that shit was good. I'm here with Sherry Panini. Papini! For every one of those, there's, for 10,000 of those, there's one of the people, the group of people from Don't Fuck With Cats. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Those people were doing great. Yeah, yeah. They did fantastic. That's fucking great. There's way too many Panini ones. There's a lot of Paninis out there. Yeah.

So they had to continue doing this. The one person with the police force said they had you had this huge online presence. These murder discussion Facebook groups, while they may have started in Calera, there were people from all over and they aren't quiet about their opinions. It seemed everyone had an opinion on the way Kat died.

And everyone's opinion isn't just, you know, here's my opinion for whatever it's worth. Everyone's like, this is what happened, you fucking morons. I know I am fucking 4,000 miles away. I'm in upper British Columbia. But still, I think this is why. I've done some GPSing and I figured it out. Right. So as the police gathered evidence, they said that they – yeah, just too much here. They said –

They're reading the comments and they say, it's the husband, the next person. I vote stalker. It may have been a freak accident. It's all these, thanks, we know the options. And also, it's the way she lived, people said. People would put, quote, I don't agree with her lifestyle. She brought this on herself. She was proud to have such an amazing figure. Good for her. You go, girl. Empowerment in a murder? She's dead. Yeah.

Good for her. She's dead. Not good for her. You go, girl. You go, girl. Everywhere between you go, girl, and she brought this on herself. And everything in the middle. CEO. And everything in the middle.

Wow. Holy fuck, girl boss. That's amazing. So Jeff's work friend, Guy Carney, enters the picture here. He worked with West as a security officer with Jeff. And he said he heard about the death of Kat. Yeah. And he contacted Jeff. And Jeff told him what happened on the night Kat died. Yeah.

And this is Guy's statement. He said, Wes just told me they had gone out Friday night. They had what I want to say he referred to as a date night. They had, you know, you've never heard of that before. He had his term for it. I can't put. I believe he's date night. Maybe was his term. I

That's not a commonly used phrase. It's a fucking movie with Tina Fey, man. Yeah, what are you talking about? It came out in 2014. Jesus. They had gone out that night. They had been consuming alcohol, and that due to the fact that he was having to get up to go to work at Birmingham Southern College the following morning, that he had gone to sleep. He laid on the couch to go to sleep, and his wife was still awake, staying up at that time.

So he said the next morning he was woken up with the dogs barking. The dog barking woke him up. He got up to see what the dog was barking about. And at that time when he got up, he realized the front door was open. And he walked to the front door and looked outside. And that's when he saw his wife laying in the yard or on the ground. So I got a cigarette.

So, yeah, he doesn't run out there and go, hey, oh, my God, that's the part. All of that's fine. It's fine. Till the point where you go, the second you saw your wife, you didn't burst through the door in your boxer shorts to go fucking see what was wrong. Because that's what a normal person would fucking do here. So Jeff on Facebook said, because now, I mean, people, he's...

You've now become a public figure. So he said all the online chatter has really fucked everything up. And he said, to the public, our tragedy is just juicy gossip, he wrote on Facebook. Very, by the way. It's, yeah, juicy. Incredibly. So according to Jeff, like we said, he went to bed at 1030 and Kat stayed up. So the sergeant, the investigator, said, now that's Jeff's version of what happened. So then they figured out, though, they...

They're figuring out technology. Oh? Because they had to figure out OnlyFans. Now they're figuring out different apps on the phones here. And they figured out that Jeff has a health tracker app on his phone. Yeah. You know, the fitness one? Yeah. Yeah. Mine just told me, congratulations, you broke a record today. While you've been sitting on your ass for the last two hours. Yeah. Matter of fact, I think it told me, time to stand up. This laughing has been great for your heart rate. Yeah.

What's going on with your heart, buddy? What's up with that? Shit. So he said that Kat stayed up. He said, now that's Jeff's version of what happened. But before long, that's what they unearthed. And he said, well...

The health app actually shows Jeff's phone moving as late as 10 minutes after 11 o'clock. Which is fine because if you go, I don't know, about 1030, unless you're like, I know what time and you're really on top of it. If you've had a few drinks and you got 1030 or 10 after 11 is the same thing. There's also this little thing called I went to bed, but my wife was up. So she picked up my phone. She could have picked up my phone and checked into it and looked into it or just I.

you know, I decided I was going to go to bed around 1030 and, but then I wandered around and then I brushed my teeth and then I went in there and I went to sleep or whatever. So, um, yeah. So the sergeant said that it's 10 minutes after 11. Um,

And he said he believes Jeff also lied about when he woke up that morning. He told the cops that the dogs got him up by barking at the police cruisers, but a neighbor reported seeing Jeff before the police even arrived. Remember? Yeah, pacing. They were on the phone with 911. And on the phone, they said, there's a guy right here in the doorway of this house. He's pacing around. Pacing. So having laid out what they believe was Jeff's movements that night, they then looked at Kat's phone. They were like, her phone's got one of these trackers, too. It's the greatest thing ever. Yeah.

You don't even have to be a good detective now. You really don't. You got your phone? I'll solve the case. Dude, if you watch the first 48 now, literally they sit them down and they go, we'll talk when we get your phone data. They don't even want to... Let's just stare at each other. It won't matter. I'll just check to see if the GPS has you around where the fuck you were, where the murder happened. And if so, I don't even need to talk to you. Just...

I'll tell you you're being charged and we'll put you in a cage. That's fucking it. It's wild now how easy it is. So they said that, uh, they looked at her phone, they found that and, uh, it showed her phone had stopped moving 16 minutes before Jeff's phone stopped moving. Uh,

That's not good. No. But they said that doesn't help figure out what caused the wound. Right. That doesn't mean she's moving and she's not. Yeah. That doesn't give you a, she could have put her phone down. She could have been drunk and put her phone down and wandered off. If you're going to go jump on the trampoline, you don't need your phone. Right. So they don't know. This is about a month later. They get test results from the absinthe bottle. Yeah. It had a tiny sliver of glass chipped off of it.

Not enough to even cause a leak, as we know. It was mostly full. Optimistic police officer there. But they did also find two spots of Kat's blood on the bottom of it. So now they're thinking this could be what bashed her head in. And the sergeant said, we had Jeff's fingerprints on it.

Which he took a picture with it the night before fucking holding it. I mean, we know he touched. We know he touched it. But they're actually saying they don't know if he touched it because they're saying in the store. Yeah. The footage they have. She's touching it. He never touches that bottle. But it's sitting there. She could have said, can you pour me a drink? He said, I'll make you one.

Who knows? He could have brought it in the house. And that's the thing. And the interviewer, that's Maureen Marr. I think it's 48 hours she's on or is it Dateline? I don't remember. She said, wouldn't you expect that given this, given that they bought it together and said they'd been drinking, that his prints would be on it? And the cop said, oh, absolutely.

So then what the fuck? You're back to square one. Yeah, it doesn't do anything. He said, though, there was something specific about the prints that helped point the finger at Jeff. What's that? He said, basically, the fingerprints, if you were going to pour a bottle, your prints would be like this on a bottle. Grab whatever is in front of you as a bottle and hold it. But if you were going to hold it like a baseball bat, it would be the opposite. You'd have it upside down. Nobody pours liquor like that. I've never seen, unless you're Tom Cruise in Cocktail and you're

flipping fucking bottles. No one holds a bottle like that. So that was the thing. They said the, basically the bottle was held inverted much like he'd be holding it like a club. Yeah. Now at the same time,

If it was in a bag and he took it out, you take it out the same way. So there's probably, I probably have five wine bottles in my fucking house that have the exact same pattern of my fingerprints on them, which is interesting. They said that the Jeff's thumbprint was found in a downward position on the bottle and his ring finger was found over here, which she was demonstrating. So Kat's phone, they said the last time she moved, according to the data was at 10 54 PM and it recorded 87 steps. Wow.

Now, data from the ADT alarm system. See what I mean? These cops don't even... God damn. Between all of this shit, they don't even really... You used to have to go, like, fucking talk to people and get clues. Now you just need apps. Now you just call companies and say, give me your data. When was this accessed and how did it work? So the ADT alarm system shows that they should have got SimpliSafe. Honestly. That's a sponsor, but we fucking love it. They're not going to tell the cops anything. It's a great security system. Yeah.

He'll keep all your shit private. None of your business. None of your business. That's a pain in me. I still want some. I think they will. I think they have to. I think they have to. I don't think they have a choice. So it showed the front door to the West home opened at 1053 and one second, which is a minute before Kat stopped moving and closed at 1053 and 11 seconds. So,

So it's only open for 10 seconds. It opened again at 1.51 and 46 seconds in the a.m. Oh, boy. 2 a.m. According to her phone, she has stopped moving and he's been asleep for two hours. And remained open until 4.12 and 46 seconds.

And 45 seconds a.m. Yeah, almost three. 151 to 420 at two and a half hours. That's a lot. At that time, it closed. And then the police said they responded to the scene shortly after 5 a.m.

So that's interesting. If you were asleep, sir, you got a ghost in this motherfucker. No shit. Or Kat dropped her phone, wandered out at 2 o'clock in the morning. But then who closed the door at 412? Who closed it, dude? That's the thing. Someone closed it. It wasn't you. You said you got up 5 o'clock. Golly. So there's a lot of shit that's not lining up. So February 22nd, 2018, it's a little over a month later, they announced they're going to arrest Jeff for it. Is that right?

Based on – I mean it doesn't get any more circumstantial. I mean he's certainly lying. He's lying. Yeah. And that's not great. I mean it's very circumstantial. Yeah.

circumstances all the circumstances lead to no other real answer to this question all the circumstances say husband yeah the bell set at a million and a half dollars but why that's pretty high that's a half a million dollars but why i don't understand why he what's his motive here i understand that's not part of the legal thing but yeah for my curiosity i sure as fuck need to know uh

Why are you killing your... Circumstantial shit, you should certainly have a motive nailed down. Yeah, why are you killing your wife who's, you know, hot and banging you and bringing in threesomes and, you know, making money? What the fuck are you killing her for? Jesus. So her friend Brittany says Jeff should have never been arrested. Oh. They don't believe Jeff did shit. She firmly believes that the police failed to fully investigate the hundreds of OnlyFans subscribers who had paid to see her content. Investigate all these guys. Okay.

Jeff's attorney here is asked, did you ever consider that maybe someone for her online life could have played a role in what happened to her that night? And this is they said that we looked into that and there just wasn't that evidence out there. So there's no evidence that an OnlyFans online user was involved in her death. They said that. But his attorney, Jeff's attorney, says what the evidence does show is that Kat wasn't murdered.

What does it show? Their defense isn't that someone else did it. Their defense is it wasn't murder at all. This shit was an accident. Yeah. Yeah. The lawyer said she fell and hit her head. And Jeff's parents, Jerry and Susie, they agree too. They said they're not sure how she hit her head, but they don't think that the authorities can prove that she didn't hit her head either. So they don't think their son, they think their son's going to be fine. His dad, Jerry West, not the basketball player.

Said they set out to get Jeff. There was no investigation. Really? And then they also, the mom said, I know he's innocent. And then the dad said, I don't care what anybody says.

He did not do this. Jeff's parents say he's incapable of harming his family. Yeah. And I mean, but a lot of people say that. Yeah. That's very common. Ted Bundy's mother, he was in the electric chair and she was still saying he was innocent. Good boy. After he was telling them where heads were. Yeah. Still. He's a good boy. He didn't do it. I know that this is a mistake. So that's fine. But they said, you know.

That's normal, but the thing that's not normal is her parents fucking agree 100%. Even the victim's parents are saying that he didn't do it, which is tough. If you're the prosecutor, because those are the ones who file charges, actually, you file charges, you don't even have the victim's family supporting you? That's tough. Yeah, you got to go to the family and say, all the evidence says this, and they go, well, it's wrong, recalculate, and they go,

We were calculated. And they go, you're a lying sack of shit. And then you're like, now you've got the victim's family against you in court. That's one thing that's like the prosecutor, the victim's family. Those are all kind of locked up. They're supposed to be on the same team. Yeah, this is wild. Kat's dad, John, said he's honorable and he loved my daughter. I know he didn't do it.

it. And then the mom, Nancy said he didn't do this. She spoke publicly. This is the mother and said cat's mother and said that her daughter was an alcoholic who suffered from bipolar disorder.

Mom, she's coming. Mom, I got kids. She's telling this is what normally what a defense attorney would say. Yeah. When they they would have to. And the family would fucking cry their eyes out. How dare you say that about my family? She's saying she's saying my daughter goes off and wanders off drunk. She'll hit her head on something that could very happen. And you're you're a good man.

She said that she believes Kat died from a fall. She said her daughter, quote, fell all the time, especially when drunk. Wow. She's clumsy. And she said she'd get drunk, jump on the trampoline, take off her clothes, wander around the neighborhood. She's like a naked, fainting goat. Yeah. She's like a two-and-a-half-year-old. That's what two-and-a-half-year-olds do. Just running around in a diaper. They just pull clothes off and walk. What the fuck are you doing?

How'd that kid just strip their clothes off? We're in Target. Put it back on. They're trying to get the last fucking pant leg off their foot. And you're like, stop. Take your shoes off first, you dummy. Jesus Christ. So, yeah, she said that's what it is. And the father said or the mother said he didn't do this. He's a good man. He loved her with all her heart.

Heart. Shocking. Her parents said she was conspicuously clumsy. Even when sober, she fell down. When drinking, she was a fucking mess. Wow. Falling down all the time. Nancy said that the 13-year-old daughter stayed with her and her husband until Jeff was arrested. Yeah. And she'll be staying with them. They said, I trust him with my whole heart. That's what Nancy, Kat's mom, said. Yeah.

Both of the mothers here who now say they're attached at the hip. This is Jeff's mom and Kat's mom say the blood alcohol level was extremely high and neither of them believe that online exhibitionism was a factor here. They don't think somebody came and stalked her and killed her. They think she fucking fell because she's drunk. Yeah, that's it. Like a mom defense Voltron. That's wonderful. They come together. And Jeff's mom said he wasn't jealous. He knew she was sick and needed the attention.

OK, so but this is her mom said. Yeah. Nancy said she was not aware of that part of her daughter's life until after her death. She didn't know she was doing all that only. Yeah, because you don't tell your mom that. But when she found out she wasn't surprised at all, she said Kat was very insecure and always has been. So this makes sense to me here. She said she wanted everyone to think she was beautiful.

She said nothing, nothing on earth could make her think Jeff is guilty. Now, she said, now I've seen all the evidence they have. Nothing could make me think he's guilty. They don't have the evidence and I believe him and I know he didn't do it. She said if there was a video of the death showing Jeff killing her actively, she would think it was doctored. She wouldn't even believe that.

That's crazy. Now you're delusional. Yeah. You're at the level of... I believe it if I saw you doing that. Yeah. You know what I mean? I know you way better than she knows him. It's delusions. Yeah. And Brittany, the friend, Kat's friend, said she could have run outside in the street, right? Because she was so intoxicated. She said anything's possible. Yeah. My friend, that's not out of the range of... If you said...

If you called me up and said Kat died, she was drunk in the middle of the night and ran around in the street and fell and hit her head, she'd go, oh, that makes sense. You know, we got a friend that crossed a freeway and died. Oh, yes, we do. We don't think that's murder. No. I believe exactly what the cops think it is. Yep. I think he did some shit a lot of times. We know that he had substance problems from time to time. Sure.

He was going to get more. It might have been suicide. Maybe. But it sure as fuck wasn't murder. Nobody did that to him. Nope. Nope. It was either an accident or suicide, but it wasn't murder. He did that to him. Yeah, that's sad. It was a great comic. God damn it. God damn underrated comic. He's one of the guys that makes you want to fucking hunt down TikTok people who get booked at comedy clubs and sell out and burn their houses down. Or worseover. Because they have no talent. Yeah. No experience. And this was a guy who could kill anybody.

And was so poor. At will! Kill at will for an hour and was so poor he had to run across a Texas freeway. For more booze. For more booze. Fucking sad. God damn it. He played drunk frogger and lost. And lost. And we've got dildos that sell out constantly and live in the lap of luxury. Fucking unbelievable from three seconds of internet fame. Ha ha ha.

Oh, my God. Ridiculous. Jeff's lawyer said she was not hit in the head with that bottle. He said it's clear because Jeff is a righty and the prints at the bottom of the bottle were from his left hand.

So he wouldn't even swing with that. It would be very, yeah. If you were going to try to kill somebody with a swing, it wouldn't be with your offhand. After six drinks? Wouldn't be with your offhand. God, no. Fuck no. And the lawyer said the bottle was in a bag. You would pull the bottle out of the bag in the same way, just like I said, with your thumbprint down, and it would make sense. You'd use your left hand to do that. Certainly. But you definitely wouldn't use your offhand as your kill hand. No. No.

Stabbing people when you stab someone is with your fucking power. Absolutely. Get somebody. It's with your power hand. So that's interesting. He said, I've handled well over 100 murder cases, never went forward on a murder case where the manner of death was classified as undetermined. It's not even classified as a homicide. Yeah.

It's not even classified as a homicide. The coroner doesn't even know. They don't know. So it's pretty fucking, and that's a really good explanation for the handprints too. So as much as that's circumstantial evidence of him doing it, it's also just as much circumstantial evidence clearing him of it.

It's both. More than, I think. I think it's straight up evidence that he didn't do it. Yeah. The left hand, to me, says, there you go, unless he did that on purpose. Unless he's been hiding from us this whole time that he's ambidextrous. He's actually left-handed. Just as good with his left. He just grew up super Catholic, and they told him not to use it. So they said, what do you think happened to Kat that night? They asked the lawyer. He said, in a nutshell, she fell, she hit her head. She got up and did it again. They said they found...

Jeff was dressed in the same clothes as in the security video from the night before. So he didn't clean up, toss his clothes. And this is what he said. He said there was nothing on his clothes. No liquor, no blood, no bodily fluid, no tissue, no hair. There was no hair on the bottle. There's no glass in her wound. What? So where'd that sliver of glass go? Yeah. He said despite more likely would be she had the bottle and was drunk outside and dropped it and then picked it up even and then wandered around and drank some more with it.

Who knows? So they said, and despite this, they said there's no real effort to consider any other suspects either. It's just basically it was an accident or he did it. Right. And we're saying it's not an accident. Too much. We're saying it wasn't murder. Well, yeah. So they said the only person they ever looked at was Jeff and they never really looked at whether it was an accident or not. And so the police.

Maureen Marr asked the sergeant here, was there ever a time you or anyone else in the police department looked into the possibility of it being an accident? Uh-huh. His answer, absolutely not. Okay, well, I think you... If the...

If the coroner determined medical examiner determines homicide, then you go, no, because the medical examiner said it's a homicide. But when it's undetermined and everyone that knows her thinks it's an accident, I think you at least have to look into the possibility that it might be an accident. So, yeah, absolutely not. As his answer, he said, I don't want to sit here and say that I immediately ruled out an accident, but just the head trauma alone, knowing that the body had been moved, it

It was very hard to try to look at this as an accident. Yeah. And she's incredibly hot. We've got to solve this. Yeah, we've got to solve it. You see how blonde she is? She's blonde. That's a waste. OnlyFans is going to be suffering. She's hot and blonde. We've got to find this. But the other thing, and I don't know how this would work, could she have fallen –

fallen down, gotten back up again, repositioned herself, fallen down again. Because if you have a head wound like that, you get dazed, you fall out. I've seen boxing. Yeah, that's what I mean. I mean, like a head wound. I don't know. So anyway, Jeff's lawyer here said it's not hard to explain at all. They said the two blood pools at the scene suggest the cat fell, got up, fell again. He said because it's clear that she moved around after she had the head injury.

And the defense lawyer said he's whittled down his entire case to only one witness, and that's Kat's mother. So my case is Kat's mother. If she's not fucking buying it, why should you buy it? You know, that's not this isn't the justice she wants or thinks is the thing. So you're going to overrule her. She knows. Yeah. And she she has as much information as the cops, you or anybody else has about this shit.

So there's a bail reduction hearing here. Yeah. And Jeff here claims that he's being illegally detained and unlawfully denied liberty by the excessive bail amount. You are being held for murder, sir. I think that's legal. We're holding you for murder, so we're going to hold you for a while there. The motion states that he poses no real and present danger to others, himself or the public at large, if allowed to be released.

That doesn't matter. And also, we don't know that. We don't know that. Also, that's not why they're holding you. They're holding you to make sure you don't run away because you have a murder charge over your fucking head. So they said the main purpose of bond historically is to ensure the presence of the accused in court to address the charges. And his lawyer says it should not be used as punishment.

Says Jeff is certainly looking forward to defending himself at trial in this case. There's absolutely no evidence that he's a flight risk. He was honorably discharged from the Army after 21 years of service, has no criminal record, was gainfully employed up until his arrest, has strong ties to the community and a desire to clear his name. Okay.

All fine. The attorney says that he maintains his innocence. He says he's heartbroken over the death of his wife and the disruption that this case has caused his family. He's also concerned about his daughter and how the loss of her mother is affecting her, and he can't be there to help. He said, Jeff is a good man, a good husband, a good father. When it's all said and done, we anticipate a successful outcome of this case. Prosecutor says, tell you what.

Want a deal? Let's offer you a deal. He offers Jeff a deal, and he offers him a deal that Jeff could take without admitting he did anything. An Alford plea? An Alford plea, exactly. He's going to say, you can just say you have evidence, and we have enough evidence, but you don't admit your guilt. He would just have to acknowledge that the state had enough evidence to likely convict him.

And also, if the judge accepts that deal, it means that Jeff would be let off with time served and two years probation. Basically, you accept this deal, you'll be out by the end of the week. You'll be back with your daughter by the end of the week. What do you do? And...

That, you say yes. Do you? Fuck yeah. You say yes and the second you leave the court, you go, I didn't fucking do that shit. I took the deal because who the fuck knows what's going to happen in court, but I didn't fucking do it. You think they would have given me a deal where I could walk out with time served if they thought I killed her? They wanted to clear their books and keep... I'd make it about them. Fuck those people. If it was me and I didn't actually kill my wife. If it was him and I killed my wife, or him and not kill your wife, I don't know. So...

I'm taking that deal. Trial is risky. Yeah, I don't know. No matter what, trial's risky. Yeah, and down there. You never know. Yeah, and pictures of her. She's going to be beautiful. You're a troll. It doesn't look good. It just doesn't. And the prosecution go, maybe he was getting jealous. And people go, I'd be jealous if I was him. Look at that guy. That's what I mean. So they ask the defense attorney, what does it tell you as a defense attorney when the prosecution offers that kind of deal? Yeah.

And he said, that tells you as a defense lawyer, the prosecution has some problems with the case. They got nothing. And they recognize. And that's what it is. They have nothing. And the defense has the victim's family on their side. So it's a tough sell to this jury.

If they want to have a jury. And according to the prosecutors, plea deals are standard in every case. They're usually not, actually. It's not like this. Not in murder cases. In murder cases, they offer you second degree and 25 to life rather than first degree and life without or death penalty. Or second degree and life with parole or some shit. They don't say you can leave tomorrow. No.

Every one of those deals would get taken. Every single one of them. And the lawyer told Jeff, this is a reasonable offer. It doesn't get any better than this pretty much. And the lawyer said he rejected it immediately. He didn't do it, man. Jeff said no. You have to be either the craziest narcissist lunatic in the world or very innocent. One of the two here.

He didn't do it. How the fuck did he not go outside then? I don't know. This is blowing my mind. How would you not go outside? How would you watch people go, yeah, that looks like my wife out there. She looks dead. I guess I'll just smoke a cigarette. What the fuck? Looks like her. Shit. I don't know where my wife is.

dude, it's so weird. And they said, why did he reject the offer? And the lawyer said, because he says, I cannot say I'm guilty of something that I didn't do, which the Alfred plea doesn't make you even say you're guilty. It says they have evidence, not I'm guilty. If they, if they made him do an allocution and everything, then yeah. He has to go up there and go, yeah,

I got to apologize for what I did. Then, yeah. That's different. Sure, sure. If you just go, they have evidence, but I didn't fucking do it. And you can still get the deal and walk out. Do it. Who cares? But they said that he decided to roll the dice and take his chances in court. And the defense attorney said he understands the risks of going to trial. Yeah. He gets it. Judge banned cameras from the courtroom. But 48 Hours was there taking notes. They followed this story. Shit.

Sure. They were like, she's really hot. We're going to go down to Alabama and just camp out for a while. What do you think? Hi, this is Lester Holt. I live here now. I've just rented a house and it's lovely. I'm a registered voter down here now. Looking for other blonde women on OnlyFans. I've heard this is where there's a hotbed of horny. I hear there's a hot prostitution ring going on with sexy milfs down here.

That's part two of this story. David Muir just moved here, too, that sandbagging son of a bitch. That son of a bitch. So anyway, they sat with, this is Nancy Martin, the Martins sat with Jeff's mother, Carolyn, during the hearing. They held each other's hands, the mothers and everything. There's like fucking Laverne and Shirley, these two. John Robbins, a defense attorney, believed the prosecutors had problems with their case and

You know, before the trial, he said they talked with more. They called with more talk of a plea deal. He rejected. They called back. Yeah. They're like, what less can you offer, though? I mean, you can just leave after you hang up. Just yeah. Just say they have enough evidence and then hang up and then you can just go. We'll just let you write out. Wow. Nope.

And the defense attorney said, we discussed what would it take to settle the case, but they could not come to terms. The prosecution also notified the court that it was making a filing of new evidence texts between Jeff and Kat, the ones that we showed. And the sergeant said it was apparently a very volatile relationship.

That's what they're saying. It sounded like pretty normal and they drink a lot so that's also part of it. That's a very drunk, been together nine years argument. Fourteen! And if one of the parties is bipolar too and if you're with somebody that long and you recognize when the phases come on, if you see someone's getting manic...

And sending shit, that's when you're ignoring those and you're like, this will blow over. De-escalating. I love you, I love you, I love you. De-escalate. So maybe that's part. And we're not trying to just randomly defend him. We're trying to find ifs, what ifs, anything here because this is confusing. So the jury is nine women, three men. I don't know if that's good for him or not. No, I don't think so. I think he could have probably got that a little bit better on the dice. Should have been six and six. Although the guys would have probably said,

You think you're jealous of her tits. Fuck you. You did this. I would have been. Come on, get out of here. So the prosecution tells the jurors here in the openings that the West did not have a harmonious marriage. And it was reading from the text. You're throwing away almost 14 years of a relationship. She'd written about a week before she died. You don't want me. Fine. Someone will. I always want you. He replied.

They said, yeah, that's how it goes. They told the jury in the first day of testimony here that he used a liquor bottle to kill his wife with a blow to the head. And he said, why hasn't he called this in? Talking about the 911 call saying he was there. He would later say that he was sleeping. It did not result from a fall, the prosecutor said. The severity of the head wound indicated that when this person got hit, they were going down fast. Okay, now.

The defense talks about how the text, yeah, there was text, but they went from fighting to erotic. Yeah, in no time for that. So fast that the defense says, we're going to use these to defend ourselves. You can just as easily use to defend. Look at how quickly they make up. Next thing you know, she's saying, I want you to come over here and finger me. So what the fuck? The defense attorney said, to me, it's a bunch of baloney.

It's supposed to show the volatile marriage that they had. She's mad at him one minute, sending naked pictures to him saying she loves him the next. Yeah. Yeah. That's what happens. Yeah. That's better than fucking no makeup. The defense attorney said anytime Kat said something that, quote, can be considered an argument, his response is, I love you. I want you. You're sexy.

He knows exactly what she wants to hear. Sure does. And that's what that is. He showed, so the defense attorney showed a couple dozen more text messages that showed intimacy and love between the couple. Jeff repeatedly referred to his wife in multiple messages as sexy mama.

And Kat often sent him photos of herself topless and in provocative positions. God damn it, she's an awesome wife. What a great wife. So he would reply, quote, your picture's hot as fuck. Fuck yeah, it was. Your picture's hot as fuck. What else do you say, though? Well, there's no way to be eloquent. That's all I've got. There's no way to be eloquent. That's all I'm going to say. All the blood is rushing somewhere away from your brain. Holy shit, look at those. They want us to have these...

Things to say. All I got is, my God, those are awesome. The blood has left my brain. Yeah.

The part of me that forms words and sentences, it's gone from there. I want to suck them. Shit. Shit. I'm so sorry. He replied to one of her photos saying, looking good, sexy mama, which sounds like he's a trucker from the 70s. Hey, looking good, sexy mama. Break the breaker 19, sexy mama. Oh, baby. You see that mud flaps on her, buddy. I'll tell you what. Oh, Jesus. I don't think that's a compliment, man.

Truckers, you never know. She replied to him at one point, thank you for making me feel sexy. I love you. So they know what each other wants at this point. And she knows what he means when he says that shit. Exactly. So the defense attorney said the state's case is based solely on circumstantial evidence. Nobody's going to come in here and tell you Jeff hit his wife in the head with a bottle.

The medical examiner's not even going to tell you she was murdered. So definitely not going to say how it happened. We're very confident that when you hear all the evidence in the case, you will come to the conclusion that there's no murder here. There's no killing. Jeff is not guilty. Right.

So he also told the jury that the only reason national media and even local media were covering the trial is because she had pictures with her boobs out, literally. He said, I find that to be a little sad. If it weren't for the Kitty Kat website, no one would be interested. And it's true. They wouldn't. Funny name. Yeah. Does he mean the cougar one or does he mean OnlyFans? No, no, her, Kitty Kat. She goes by Kitty Kat West. Oh.

That's how she does it. Yeah. So he said there's no discord between the couple about the adult photos. If they're going to try to say he's jealous, he says, yes, she had a website. She posed nude. She did that for her own self-esteem. Jeff was fully aware of what his wife did and assisted her in it. Yeah. He's trying to make her happy. It feels like in that range. He's a fucking cameraman. So the sergeant who investigated this whole thing. Right.

He gets on the stand, Mike Melhoff, and he says, I wouldn't want to speculate as to, you know, what drove him to that point. But I can certainly say that I feel that, yes, he's he's the one responsible for his wife's death. That's not real convincing, Sarge. No, I mean, I can't tell you why, how and when really. Yeah. And he did. He's he's I know he's the one, but I know he's responsible somehow. I can't prove anything. I have no evidence.

Kat's mom testifies that she herself witnessed Kat in an intoxicated state go outside barefoot in any kind of clothes, underwear included, whether it was hot or cold in various staging, varying stages of dress and undress. Right.

When she heard her daughter fell down on the side of the road naked and cold, she was not surprised. Nope. At all. She was like, God damn it. I told her to stop doing that. Literally. She said her daughter was a heavy drinker who had problems stopping herself once she started drinking. Yeah. She just keep drinking. She said she could not drink just one drink. She testified her daughter would be up drinking long after anyone else who joined her drinking would go to bed.

She'd just sit up by herself? Whoever she's at, they would go away and she'd be like, I'll see you later. And she'd stay up and drink. I'm going to have one more. And her mom said that is when she would go wander around outside and take her clothes off and shit.

Yeah, would frequently do that. She said that it was not strange to wake up in the middle of the night and see her half-naked dancing outside. All by herself. All by herself in the dark with a bottle. Just drinking. So she goes, I could see her doing this and happening. What is that? She said her daughter would typically go outside while drunk without wearing clothes or fully clothed. Doesn't matter. Sometimes with shoes, sometimes no shoes.

She said this is behavior I witnessed in both Florida and in Alabama. I saw her doing it since she was a kid. She's done this. She said that her daughter, she saw her daughter alive two days before she was found dead. She said that her and her husband took her to a follow-up visit after she got a breast job six weeks earlier. She just got new boobs? New tits.

Damn it. Here's the thing. I'm going to say this. This is going to sound crass, but I'm going to say this as a reality thing. You do not spend eight grand on tits and then kill them. I'm not wasting ten grand. I said them, not her, because if you're a murderer who looks at your wife as someone you could kill, you go, I own those tits and I just bought them and I'm going to get my use out of them. Ten grand just laying in the gutter? No way. Not happening. Not happening.

Not once. Probably not. So they said that, yeah, that's how that went. By the way, she is the lone defense witness. Who? Nancy Martin. Really? Kat's mother. The lone defense witness. She said she saw Jeff at the funeral home where Jeff broke down while picking out a casket and was having a very hard time doing all this shit. She said, I know it hurt me, but I can't imagine how he felt. Wow. Her daughter. Her daughter. Her daughter.

So they asked the prosecution, this is 48 hours doing this, were you surprised at how supportive Kat's parents, particularly her mother, was of the man the police say killed her daughter? And she said, you know, I can't really recall another case where the mother of the victim and the father of the victim were so attached to the suspect. Kat's parents are even giving Jeff legal advice. They help convince him not to testify. Yeah.

So they want him to get off on this, which you don't see this very often. You'll see it in our cases sometimes in the beginning. But then once evidence comes out, they're like, we changed our minds. The other part, too, of being a mom or a parent, really, of a murdered child. You said that like your kid was murdered. Being the father of a murdered child. In my experience. In my experience of having murdered children. If he didn't do it, and we're sure he didn't do it,

If they convict him of it, they're closing this. Exactly. If I believe that he didn't do it, I'm riding this till the wheels fall off so that force these motherfuckers to get back to work and find who did this. Especially if you don't think anyone did it. Right. It was a fucking accident. You just feel bad. You know, now you're. You don't want anybody to suffer for something that my drunk daughter did. Your grandkids are losing. Your grandkids losing both her parents now for this. This is crazy. So the physical exam evidence they put out two inch wound to the skull, uh,

The medical examiner said it did not appear to have been caused by a fall, which then why wouldn't they rule it a homicide? Yeah. That makes no sense. The force of the blow pushed the woman's brain into its stem, they said. Good God. That's a lot. That's a tough fucking shot. That's a big blow. Yeah. Said it was a considerable amount of force to cause an injury like that. Scalp wounds bleed like mad. The brain is very vast. It's a very vascular structure. Yeah.

They said that, testified that it wasn't likely that she fatally was wounded from falling, particularly because she was only about five foot two. Yeah. She had less room to fall. Yeah. So they said, how about the object they believed killed her? And they said whatever it was had an edge, but it wasn't sharp. Okay. There you go. So it wouldn't cut it from that, but it had an edge. Like a rock or a...

Now, the bottle, they said that two swabs taken of the bottom of the lucid absinthe bottle, the prosecutors say, tested positive for her blood. Also testing positive for her blood was a towel taken from the master bathroom, which...

Could be anything. I was going to say, I can't imagine how many people there's a little bit of their blood on a towel in their master bathroom. Forget it. I mean, I changed my blade on my razor. Exactly. Oh, it's everywhere. Exactly. It's a bloodbath. You pop a pimple. It's crazy. Yeah. So many ways to bleed in the bathroom. It's not even fucking funny. And a white tank top retrieved from the laundry basket.

Under cross-examination, they said there was no way to tell how long the bloodstains have been there on the towel or the tank top. Might have been there for a month. We have no idea. So in the closing arguments here, the DA tries to tie together this theory. He says Jeff lost his temper with his wife.

He said he had a problem with her drinking and her social media usage, which no one else on earth said or thought. Yeah. And as drunk as they both were, they're both the same amount of drugs. I mean, they were trading off drinks. They stopped. Here's your bottle. Here's my bottle. That's not I have a problem with your drinking. No, you have your own. Yeah. The prosecutors say the evidence from the night shows that Jeff had thrown her phone into the street and clubbed her to death with the liquor bottle when she went after it.

And he says that the way the bottle and phone were positioned convinced authorities it could not have been an accident. They said those are the two items stacked perfectly together right there on the street next to her body. That's what they said. But the defense attorney said...

There's no evidence added to that. He said he does not have a history of violence either. This isn't where there's been 10 domestic violence calls. There's no history of violence in this guy. He's never been arrested for shit. Escalated fast. Real fast. So the prosecutor, before it goes to the jury, the prosecutor asks in the last minute move, they convince the judge to let the jury consider a lesser charge than murder too. Okay. Which...

They tried to offer an Alford plea. Now they're offering this. This is we don't believe in our case. Yes. They offered. They said, how about reckless manslaughter? Put that in there, too, which that's like a total accident because you were fucking around doing something. And the defense attorney said they were afraid that they were going to lose the case. Right. And this guy said the defense attorney said he wasn't real happy about the last minute lesser charge they introduced. You're trying to the guy for fucking murder. You made a shit case. And now you're like, well, how about this? How do I save my case? Yeah. Yeah.

So the jury deliberates for less than five hours, which I mean, Christ, we could we deliberate for a month about this. Yeah. And they find him guilty. Really? Of reckless manslaughter. Is that right? You gave the jury a way out is what you did. Sure did. They knew it. They murders a step too far. Yep.

With the mom saying no and all that, murder's a step too far. But they want to hold someone responsible because the prosecution's saying she was killed. So they don't know how to do it. So that's what they're... That's fucked up. That's just a... That's a compromise verdict, which happens all the time.

all the time with juries. When you have 12 people together and you want them to agree on something. And they sat through this, not just the jury, but the prosecutor sat through it. They know what they just did. They know what they did. I couldn't, I wouldn't be able to do it. No shit. So both sets of parents were stunned by the verdicts. Yeah. His dad, Jerry West, said, that was shit and you know it. Ah!

Yeah, which is a great lie. I would love my dad to say that. If I'm convicted of anything, I want my father to go, that was shit and you know it. Even if there was a pile of evidence, I want my dad to say that. That dad said that shit about the Patriots win every time they won. That was shit and you know it, goddammit. Bullshit. Tuck rule my ass, Tom Brady. That was shit and you know you fumbled. Matty Ice gave the game away. It was shit and you know it. Shit and you know it.

That's fucking funny. Her father said, I couldn't believe it. I really couldn't. They were just shocked. That's a less frustrated man saying, it's shit and you know it. It's shit and you know it. Yeah, I couldn't believe it. He hasn't even got to that part. He'll get there. He was still unbelieving. You give him 15 minutes, he would have went, now I believe it and it's shit. And you know it. You know it's shit. He was in too much disbelief to say it. He didn't have it locked and loaded yet. Now...

They bring in the 15-year-old daughter during sentencing to plead for her father here, to plead for her father. I hope she says it's shit and you know it. It's shit and you know it. She said, he's always been my shield against the world. Please give me my father back as soon as possible. Also, the mother-in-law, Nancy Martin, she also testified on his behalf and said it's a total shock of what happened. This is ridiculous. Please set him free.

Set him free. The judge, however, saw things differently. Really? And saying that he had plenty of time to take accountability for Kat's death during sentencing and didn't. Oh, my God. He said, for your own reasons, you don't intend to do so. So the jury had to do that for you. You, sir, may fuck off 16 years.

Oh, my God. Which we just did a case last year where that last week where the lady got exactly 16 years for like a brutal murder. She super did it. We know she did. And it was like fucked up, too. And she's out or she's like almost out. Yeah, almost. Yeah, she gets out. So with credit for time served, Jeff will be behind bars for 13 more years. God damn. So the prosecutor said it was kind of a split decision.

Are you kidding? You had no evidence. You got a conviction. That's pretty good. The reactions here, the assistant district attorney who tried the case said, obviously, we would have preferred a murder verdict, but we're glad to get a sentence as we did. We can't believe it. Even though we were going to let him go. It was shit and we know it. We were planning on letting him go, but we're happy the judge wasn't going to do that. For the defense, Jeff said he knows if he had accepted the plea deal, he'd already be home. Wow.

Wow. Like this would be all over with for him. I'm a dummy. I would have done the same thing, man. I would have taken that fucking deal. We have gone over way too many trials that they're so unpredictable. I can, fuck yeah, I'll say anything you want. Get me the fuck out of prison. Whatever leaves me free to say whatever I want after this. Then I'll get out and say I didn't fucking do it. That's crazy and you know it. It's the only reason they gave me that fucking deal. It's shit and you know it. Shit and you know it.

So the attorney also says in retrospect he probably should have taken the deal. Well, no shit. Yeah. Wow. His parents both say we all think he's not guilty. Very.

And they sat down with the West there and they said, who thinks he got a fair trial? And Jerry West, the dad, said nobody. And this was with all four parents. Nobody thinks that. They believe the judge threw the book at Jeff in sentencing for refusing to settle the case and putting everybody through a trial.

So they said that, you know, also they were upset that her daughter's been judged harshly in the court of public opinions, basically, as well. The only bummer, James, is that fucking door, that door closing. The door and also the movement on the phone. It's not good. It's not good, but that's all they have. I'm not saying I don't think he did it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think he probably did it. He had something to do with it. He said...

Nobody else has any reason. The door is open and closed. It's just too much. Was she wandering around until four in the morning, too? And he's wandering around and not going and looking at what's over there on the other side of the road. You know it's your wife. You see a blonde head. It's in the road. You know it's her probably because she's not in bed with you. Yeah.

Anyway, the mother, Nancy here, Kat's mom, said it was the fact that she was doing these things that small towns don't understand. Right. So bring it back to small town murder here. Her friend, Brittany, is crying and said she's gone. That's heart-wrenching. They have a daughter that's in the mix of everything. And they said...

That's what her mom said. Kat's mom said, yeah, she's got it. There's a child involved here. And every week Lola goes with her grandparents to see Jeff in jail. Jesus. He said, are the four of you sticking together just for the sake of Lola? And they all laughed and said, no. And Nancy said, we're all family.

So they said when Jeff does get out of prison, this will be a family with someone missing still because Kat's gone. And they said they asked on 48 Hours, they asked her parents or they asked, how would you like her to be remembered? And.

Jeff's dad said a kind, caring mother. And Nancy said a kind, caring person who loved her husband and loved her daughter very much. Apparently, Lola's being raised jointly by both sets of grandparents who like trading her back and forth. 2021, Jeff files a motion. He wants his guns back. What?

He's not going to get him in jail, I don't think. He can't have him. But he formally requests the return of his guns and other property confiscated during the investigation. None of that had anything to do with this. They said he wasn't shot. They seized firearms from his home and truck during the investigation. They were not in evidence in the case and had nothing to do with the death. And an autopsy found, obviously, the blunt force trauma. He requested his guns along with other seized property to be released to his father. Yeah.

The guns were passed down to West from his grandfather. Oh, they're antiques. They're heirlooms. And he intends to give them to his son if he ever has one, he said. Or if he ever gets out or if his daughter's into shooting. So 2022, he appeals. Uh-huh.

He argued that the circuit court erred in denying his motion for a judgment of acquittal because at the end of the case, before it went to jury, they asked for an immediate acquittal here. Let's do a pre-deal. And the judge said no, which is just standard. Every case does that. And they always say no. So he said the state failed to meet the burden of proof to satisfy requirements of his guilt and

And though he was indicted for murder, he was convicted of a lesser included offense of manslaughter. They said the charge, this is the law, the charge upon which the conviction rests is the only charge that is subject to appellate review.

So the record reflects that West moved for a judgment of acquittal, notwithstanding the verdict and a motion for a new trial. He argued that the evidence was not sufficient to support the verdict and that the verdict was contrary to the great weight of evidence. He argued in a brief that this conviction was against the weight of evidence because the victim had a history of alcohol abuse. The matter of her death was fucking inconclusive. It's still not a homicide. Her high degree of intoxication presented a finding of an accidental death and her injury was not inconsistent with a fall.

The majority of the arguments were not supported by the evidence that was presented at trial is what the appeals court said. And his appeal is denied. Damn it. There we go. So that is denied. He sits in prison. He can get out earliest. He can be out as 2033. We already did this, huh?

We did that. Goddamn. For a virtual live show. Poor bastard. Think about this, though. Yeah. Okay. When we did this, this was the 420 virtual live show. Oh, yeah, yeah. How much weed did I make you smoke in a two-hour period that you're not used to smoking? My word. Because you didn't look. You were like, your eyes were like, I don't think you would. The end of that was not good. You did not absorb much of this, I don't think. Was that Cheech and Chong? That was Cheech and Chong. Oh, boy. That was that footloose.

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We always do more detail in the main show because it's longer than a live show. And the live show, some of the details are, you know, really want to hear those. It's fun. It's more of a comedy show. Yeah. This is more of a everything and talk about all the things. So there you go, everybody. That's Calera, Alabama. We don't know if he did it or not. I mean, that's a mystery. He's got too much saying he did. Yep. But he's also got everybody saying he didn't. It's great. I think I think he did it. And I don't think they had enough evidence to convict him. I really makes you wish she could talk.

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Listen, tell your parents that two very bad people have been in your ears and you can't have them there anymore. Mommy and Daddy are doing this all wrong, Evelyn. I don't know what's going on. Or all right. They're doing it just right. Yeah, who's to say? It's up to you. Other producers this week. Happy birthday, Evelyn. Other producers are Trude, possibly Trudy. Pestless, Peaceless, Peasleys. I don't know. Peyton Meadows, Faraha Bayabisa. What? What?

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Do you see how that doesn't sound right? Nobody's named Hugh G. Penis. Hugh G. Penis. Yeah, you got it. Come on, Janus is the last name. Bart Simpson had better shit than that. Come on, guys. Come on, Hugh. Sheila Reiser. It works. Jen Blystone. Laura Kotzik. Danielle Kopech. Rachel Reese. Julia Juliet Highland. Laura Larson. Amanda Holtz.

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That's pretty good. Not bad. Uh, I hate that you made me do that. Melinda, uh, Hillary, Hillary, maybe, uh, and we's a, we's a, we's a, not going to do this. We, we's a rack. We's a rack. Why check? Why track? All right. Clinton. I've done the best I'm going to do. Clinton Bartek, Bart Bartek, uh, David Riviera. Uh, yes. Rivera, Brandon Bowling, Lisa Fairman, King cakes, Michael McDonald. Uh,

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Dracula, the ancient vampire who terrorizes Victorian London. Blood and garlic, bats and crucifixes. Even if you haven't read the book, you think you know the story. One of the incredible things about Dracula is that not only is it this wonderful snapshot of the 19th century, but it also has so much resonance today. The vampire doesn't cast a reflection in a mirror. So when we look in the mirror, the only thing we see is our own

From the host and producer of American History Tellers and History Daily comes the new podcast, The Real History of Dracula.

We'll reveal how author Bram Stoker raided ancient folklore, exploited Victorian fears around sex, science, and religion, and how even today we remain enthralled to his strange creatures of the night. You can binge all episodes of The Real History of Dracula exclusively with Wondery Plus. Join Wondery Plus and The Wondery App, Apple Podcasts, or Spotify.