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Hello, everybody, and welcome back to Small Town Murder Express. Yay! And choo-choo! Oh, yay indeed, Jimmy. Yay indeed. My name is James Petragallo. I'm here with my co-host. I'm Jimmy Wissman. Thank you, folks, so much for joining us all aboard the murder train, pulling away from the station. We got some murder in a...
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Let's get into this because we got a lot of murder in front of us here. Just a wild, wild tale. I think it's time, everybody. Oh, yeah. What do you say? Let's all take a deep breath here. Arms to the sky and let's all shout. Shout out.
and give me murder. Let's do this, everybody. What do you say? Let's go on a trip, shall we? All loaded. Yeah, may as well. We are going all the way down to Texas this week. Oh, boy. To the town of Panhandle, Texas.
So we've come full circle here. Oh, boy. It took 470 episodes to actually get to a town called Panhandle. It goddamn exists. When there's plenty of people walking around with Panhandle behavior t-shirts, because that's a thing we always talked about, is a lot of our stories took place in weird panhandles of states. It's fascinating. We called it Panhandle behavior. Well, this is...
And the panhandle just houses all the fuckery. It just seems to. We used to say, get out of the handle, get into the pan, get out of there. It's just too much out there. We used to say, and this must be like the center of it all, like the chewy, nougaty center of the entire panhandle industry here is Panhandle, Texas.
Unsurprisingly, it is in the Texas panhandle. Right. As you might imagine. It'd be weird if it was just outside of Dallas. That would be a strange name for it. I've heard that the people of Texas frown on everyone in the panhandle. Well, if you've driven on the 40 through the panhandle, you go, what the fuck is happening? You do. You're like, what is going on? You're passing through these ghost towns. And then Amarillo looks like it's from another city.
Another decade for sure. It's very strange that that is the panhandle and not the area that looks like, you know, a panhandle. That you would hold it. Yeah. Right. No, it's up there. It's the stove top hat. Stove pipe? I don't know. Oklahoma is on top of their panhandle. So you keep all your panhandles together is how it works. Like in your cabinets. You stack your pans. Yeah.
It's about a half hour or a little more to Amarillo. So it's just outside of Amarillo. Think about that. Yikes. Middle of nowhere that is. When you're driving through there, there's nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing. Amarillo, nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing. Right. That's all that's there. It's seven and a half hours to Austin. Jesus Christ. And nine hours to Atascosita, which was our last Texas episode, which was episode 425, Strange Morals, Stranger Sexual Needs. Oh.
That dude was weird. He was into poop, and it was weird. Population of this town, 2,686 panhandlers. Very small, yeah. Panhandle around this joint, I suppose. Panhandling. Median household income here is actually above the national average, 76,481. Roughnecks or some shit? What are they doing? I don't know. They're making money. There's farming that goes on here still and stuff like that. Also, oil industry. Yeah, there's petroleum processing near here.
Median house, median home price, though. Get that out of my mouth. Sure.
Very reasonable for that. It is $159,100. Shit. It's not even twice the income, which is not bad. The motto of this town, people of pride and purpose. Oh, boy. Which sounds like an old movie or something. Panhandlers of pride and purpose and panhandlery.
It was originally not named Panhandle, originally named Carson City, which is the capital of Nevada. That didn't work out very well. So they changed it to Panhandle City.
Which sounds even worse than Panhandle somehow. Panhandle City. That feels like you're selling them. Yeah, Panhandle City. Come on down, everybody. It just sounds like a mess. 50% off down here at Panhandle City. We ain't got no pans, but we got handles for any pan you can imagine right here. We got handles for days. Bring your pan and match them up. That's their slogan. Ha ha ha.
they got a post office in 1887 and in 1888, they tag a plan. This town, cause the railroad was coming through. It was a real blazing saddles situation. I'm sure they had a bank and a wagon yard and a store and a newspaper, three saloons though. You had to have one store, three saloons. And, uh,
Yeah, became the county seat. Big scandal here, though. In 1897, George E. Morrison, who was the preacher at the Methodist Episcopal Church, poisoned his wife Minnie with strychnine-laced apple so that he could marry his mistress. Oh.
Some lady from Topeka, Kansas. George. And they found out? And they found out about the whole scandal. So, I mean, this is not an uncommon scandal for preachers and people of the like, politicians and whatever the fuck, but it's hilarious that back then they found out. It was a huge deal. Strychnine Apple? Is he fucking Walt Disney? You want to find out something even weirder. Nowadays, you'd just be like, oh, that guy's a scumbag. That's, well, I mean, and also he's a murderer, but...
They sentenced him to die, and he was hanged in Willbarger County, Texas here. And his last words were, Jesus, lover of my soul. You should have thought of that when he was fucking somebody else. He wasn't thinking about Jesus loving him. He was thinking about something else. I mean, he was saying, oh, God, a lot. But Jesus Christ, sir. He was like, put that ass in the air. Oh, God. Yeah.
reviews of this town. Five stars. Panhandle, Texas is a wonderful country area where there's a lot of farms. It's wonderful seeing the country life around me. Panhandle itself is very small, so it's easy to find whatever's needed.
Seems like it would be harder if it's that small. I guess there's not a lot of choices, so you go to the store if you want something. You get what you get. Don't throw a fit. If you like simple, uncomplicated life, come on into town. Dot, dot, dot, come on into town, which sounds like a challenge for a gunfight in this town. Dare ya. Holy shit. Two stars. Here we go. Two stars. Panhandle is honestly not for me.
OK. All the adults have a collective idea that they are equal to each other. But all they do is judge people behind their backs. Yeah. It's called small towns. Do you see what she was doing? Yeah. People gossip. The smaller the group, the bigger, the more the gossip. Yeah. All of the kids are either bullies, druggies, abused by their parents who have a corrupt sense of discipline. The only nice kids are the ones who are getting barked at, beat, bullied or chased by the cops for being for being high all the time.
The high kids are nice. Those are the nice kids? The high kids are nice, yeah. They have little needs, the high kids. Too stoned to fight back. Throw a sandwich at them. They can be placated. Being bullied. This place is honestly awful. If you're able to avoid this town, do it. The only way to survive here is to convince all the adults that you're perfect. And then all caps, HATE THIS TOWN. I don't know if they're saying they hate the town or they're telling you, hate this town. I want you to do it. Yeah.
Either one here. Then finally, one star. Worst town I've ever lived in. If you have a writing talent or a music talent, it is probably best if you move on because these bigots will falsely accuse you of taking pictures of their kids and being a pervert.
What is going on? What were you doing? Hiding behind bushes. That's what I mean. This is a beef that this guy has that is very... It's not like everyone's like, I can't even take pictures of people's fucking kids now. Jesus. No one's trying to do that. Except for you. I just want to sing songs about your babies. Whoa. This town has really went downhill since Lyle Denny died.
Who the fuck is Ryan? I have no idea. And Chief Sase or Sase is the biggest hypocrite ever, dipping that snuff and pretending to be a family man. Oh, brother, this is some real local beefs here. I want to know everything about this. Just airing it out. We're going to go do a special investigative report on what's going on with this fucking review. Is he taking pictures of people? What's up with Chief? Who is that?
The nicest people actually don't live in the town. Coincidence? I think not. Avoid this town like the plague. The plague. Okay. Oh, boy. That is awesome. I really want to get deep. See, this is why your stupid opinions is great, too, because we can delve deep into that. Because right now I got a lot to say.
I know you do, too. We got to get some fucking flights booked and get there. I got to start asking some fucking questions. We need to know what's up with. Yeah. Who is this guy taking pictures? They're going to go. Oh, we know about him. Yeah. That's the picture taken pervert. Yeah. Where's Chief Sachi with his fucking lip full of dip? Yeah. Let's talk to you. Things to do. Really only one. VW Slug Bug Ranch.
Oh, is that here? Yeah. That's where there's VW bugs stuck in the ground at 45 degree angles. Because they couldn't afford Cadillacs. Yeah, so they just stuck them in the ground. And you go there. There's nothing to do. There's no bands or food. You just go there and look at cars stuck in the ground. See the bugs. And go, wow, look at that. That's all. Look at that. Hitler would be furious. This is terrible. That's hilarious. Speaking of Hitler, let's talk about a murder here.
All right. Let's talk about some murder. And I say that because the person we're going to talk about right away. Let's go to 1990 here. Kenneth Glenn Milner.
M-I-L-N-E-R. N-E-R. He's born April 20th, 1971. So he's born on Hitler's birthday. Oh, Hitler's birthday. What the fuck? That was weird. That's why I was like, speaking of Hitler, this is a great segue. That's fucking amazing. You don't get to segue with Hitler very often. That's the thing. And I got to fund this show. Let's be realistic here. I don't know if it comes across, but I got to find a lot of segues from shit into shit. It's not easy to come up with on the fly here. It's not easy.
think about think about if you're telling a murder story and you got a segue between this and this and something and something it's fucking hard you made it easy right there my friend thank you thank god every time i see a volkswagen i go oh that's hitler's favorite yeah well there you go and it just rolled right into this young man here unbelievable kenneth glenn milner born april 20th 1971 so in 1990s about 19 years old we'll
We'll talk to him. He is, and this has come up on episodes before, but I feel like he is the kid that Skid Row wrote 18 and Life about. Like he's that kid. He's just, Ricky was a young boy. Hell yeah. Fucking, that's it here. He has two sisters. By the time he's 19, he's described by somebody as a handsome 19-year-old who inspired loyalty among his few friends.
few friends few friends he's got a little crew and they follow him around like he's fucking something special and he's a dipshit as we'll talk about got it um his parents are kenneth wayne so same first name different middle name but it doesn't matter because he goes by indian indian milner as his dad that's his name it was in his obituary man it was really kenneth wayne indian milner that was it everyone old indian came was born here and
Is he? Or is he not? No. He's just, they call them that. What the fuck? He got kind of dark in the sun and they were like, Indian.
It used to be Injun, and then they were like, let's get up with the times at least. That was 1971. Let's be a little more sensitive around here. Him and his wife and Kenneth Jr. there, whatever, Ricky, we'll call him, from 18 and like. Ken Ricky, too. His mom's name is Shirley. Kenneth and Shirley are his parents. They run a bar called...
just outside of Panhandle called Shirley's. That's tough people. Yeah. You run a bar just outside Panhandle, Texas called Shirley's. There's some people getting thrown out of there, boy. Belt buckles are flying.
How often does a pool cue get swung at somebody? Like a lot, right? Shirley's heard a few of those snap and was like, I just bought those. God damn it. She knows the sound of a bar stool being pushed out when it fights about that. She knows that. She knows that sound.
It's inner block. So Kenneth Jr. here, this the young one, his friends say he's obsessed with death. That's his main thing he likes. Really? Super into death here. A lot of teenagers get a little bit morbid.
And got the, yeah. I knew friends that were in a, you know, weird shit. They wanted to see the most craziest horror movies. Let's rent faces of death. You know, that guy, that's a weird kid. And they never turned out great for the most part. A lot of those. No, it's about 75%. And then there's a normal one where you're like, what do you do at night? Yeah. Those videos too, were like, uh,
very interesting until you saw them like the yeah the thought of them was intriguing yeah the thought of them was like really there's gonna be like actual death in there oh I don't wanna watch that then you see it and you're like oh no this isn't what I thought it was at all this ain't this isn't right I'm not into that I have a deer that's been limping
in my yard and my woods for a while. And turns out, I looked it up. They, they can do just fine. And you know, there's no like predators in here for, and oh, that's good. You know, it's my woods. No one's going to shoot her. So anyway, it's limping around though. I lose sleep.
sitting there thinking about this fucking deer like an idiot i get made fun sarah makes fun of me not that she doesn't care but she cares too but i'm like he's out there yeah i'm literally like i'm crushed about think about it for an hour sometimes he's in pain right yeah i'll be depressed
What's wrong? I'm thinking about that deer right now. It's disturbing, dude. I got to sprinkle a little Advil on. Yeah, that's yeah. On the corn we put out there for him and I'll put it in an apple. Open up a couple of those liquid gels and just drizzle it. Yeah, maybe I could do that. Poor guy. I feel so bad for him. So anyway, this guy obsessed with death.
He loves to watch horror movies and shit like that. It's the 80s, too. I mean, that was the there's tons of kids with a Metallica T-shirt on watching horror movies in the 80s. And those are the horror movies then were so fucking campy and stupid. Yeah. Like the graphics of them. The short. I mean, at the time, it probably was shocking to see, like the bloody faces and such. But.
None of it looks real. Not one bit of it. You only watch those movies because I had no kids that were really into them. You only watch those movies for the special effects of the kill. Right. You're going, oh, that's how they killed that guy. And, you know, the knife came through here. That's the only reason why they watched them. They weren't plot heavy. They were just, you know, six kids in a camp. Right.
None of it was interesting. It was like, oh, Jesus. There's usually two instances of boobs and then hopefully some like, oh, the head came off. That's pretty cool. You know what I mean? That's what it was. I hated when the chick was like riding a dude and like her tits are out and you're looking at those going, oh, those are cool. And then she gets stabbed. You're like, you're ruining tits for me.
What about the poor kid who was whacking it while that happened? Somebody rented that, was whacking away as soon as tits came out, and then fucking, ah! Now they're fucked sexually for their whole life. What if they came right when it happened by accident? Like it was happening at the same time. Imagine that really did happen to you, that you were in the woods banging a chick, she's on top of you, and all you see is a machete come through her chest. I would hate tits forever.
I'd never fuck ever again. I'd never like tits again, ever. Damn it. Nope. You split them in half and now I hate it. I would go to men because then, you know, if it was that, if you were having sex with a man that way, you could see everything around you while they're bent over. So it's a different thing. You have a better view of the land. I'd be all about survival at that point.
So he would spend, he also would read tons of books about Satan. That was his, he loved to read books about Satan and he liked to create special effects of his own. Like they were, he tried to replicate slasher movie special effects, which is fine. You could either be a weirdo or you might end up being Tom Savini. You know what I mean? Like that's a, that's a, that's a thing. That's an artistic thing to do. People that do that had to be
fascinated with it otherwise they wouldn't be making such amazing things like Tom Savini was a war photographer for in Vietnam that's how he knew how to make everything yeah that's why people go wow it's amazing the way he can make insides look like they're because he's literally seen them because he's seen it that's why literally he smelled them he recreated what he saw in Vietnam so wounds that were horrible and
That's that's disturbing. Got to live that over and over. Truly. His friend Katrina, an 18 year old who lived next door to him for 14 years, said he knew every horror movie by heart. He would make masks of characters in the horror movies, grotesque, grotesque masks like with blood and an eyeball hanging out.
Jesus Christ. And she said, I knew that he hated God, she said. Wasn't into God at all. She said, I knew that because when I would go to church and talk about it, he would say, don't mention God around me.
Oh, for heaven's sake. He's one of those. His best friend is Craig Shackleford, who was 16. So he's three years younger. That tells you a lot right there. He likes. Yeah. At that age. Yeah. He likes to have control over somebody. Yeah. He said that Kenneth would frequently discuss creating an illusion of shooting a person through the mouth like an effect he wanted to do.
He would attach, Milner would attach low power plastic explosives. Oh, wow. So he's making explosives to the back of someone's head, sticking a gun in their mouth and simultaneously pulling the trigger and setting off the explosives to make it look like the person's been shot. That's his idea for an effect. How else do you do it? His friend Shackelford there said he wanted to know what that would look like.
Yeah, okay. I mean...
And Shackleford said Milner, he just needed the internet because he could have seen all any weird shit he wanted to say. He said that Milner had a twisted sense of humor and liked to scare the hell out of people. That was his thing. He liked to freak people out. We all know that kid growing up, the kids who liked to do that. They said that his bedroom was all sorts of posters from horror movies. That's all it was. The room also contained a clay corpse that he made.
to test special effects on. So that's, I mean, I guess you would make that if you were going to have that, but seems creepy. And a cast of his own head that he made as well that he covered up with a demon mask over there in the corner.
That's interesting here. Yeah, that's interesting. Later on, his friend will say, quote, Glenn wasn't normal. He goes by Glenn Milner. Glenn wasn't normal, but I don't think he was a Satanist either.
Glenn read the Bible from cover to cover, his friend said. He read other books, too, like the Necronomicon and stuff about astral projection. He didn't know what to believe, so he would explore. Well, that's fine. You can read whatever you want. The what? The Necronomicon? Necronomicon. Have you ever seen Evil Dead? No. No? You never saw Evil Dead or Evil Dead 2? Necronomicon, the Book of the Dead. It's just shit like that. Yeah, dark, you know.
Like the handbook for the recently deceased. Exactly. Spells and shit in the neck, you know, that kind of stuff. Yeah. So it's stuff that you, if you're a gothy teenager, you might pick it up and read it and whatever and go, oh, that's interesting. Shackleford also said that he had heroes Milner though. He wasn't a, okay. He wasn't a man who was his own hero. So that's good. Yeah. His heroes were Ted Bundy,
Charles Manson and most of all, though, above all, Jack the Ripper. That was the guy for him. Loved him. He said, quote, Glenn admired Jack the Ripper because he was never caught. So Glenn goes for results. He does. He's like Bundy. Higher body count. Yes. But fucking death penalty. Blew it. Blew it. Yeah. Idiot. In the end, the guy who gets away with it.
You know, that's the guy I guess you're friends of. Bundy escaped, though, several times. Several times, yeah. But then in the end, though, it didn't work out for Bundy or Jack the Ripper. He's like a ghost, man. That's the time I think he's looking at it.
They said that he was a well-behaved student through grade school, but in high school, things change, which, yeah, when your hormones completely change, things change. They said he showed signs of depression. One of his teachers said he started to drink more, and sometimes when he would get angry, he would slice up his arms with a knife.
That's more than depressed. That's more than depressed. That's another, that's something else. And he would drink more. He's a child. Yeah. Drink more. Why does the teacher know that? I mean, he'd drink more. I mean, you know, over here in panhandle, all the kids are drinking, obviously. I mean, but.
You know, drinking more. We said, that's enough of that shit. I don't think so. In 1988, in the spring, so he's about 17, he climbed to the top of a water tower in town, the town water tower, panhandle written on it, and threatened to jump off. Oh, boy. For attention, obviously, because everybody came and the police talked him down. That's what happened here. A few months later, he was driving by himself, and his car ran over a cliff at Palo Duro Canyon.
Okay. And he was treated for his injuries, and then he was placed in psychiatric care at Northwest Texas Hospital in Amarillo. This wasn't a cliff you could drive off of by accident. Put it that way. Really? This is a cliff you have to want to drive off of. It's one of the... Yeah. Wow. This isn't like... Obama and Louise style. Yeah, this isn't the edge of the mountain in The Shining that you're going to fall off of or something. Not going up to a mountaintop town in the Swiss Alps. This is the side of the PCH in the mountains. This is actually like...
You're not supposed to be here. You got to turn it and gun it with Thelma and Louise, that shit, if you want to get off this fucking cliff, I think. Then he got injured in it. He was injured. Yeah, he jumped off a cliff in a car. He can't do that. That's not normal. No.
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Doggy, I don't think you're going to want to know. You can't come back and talk about it. That's the problem. Once you know, that's all you got. So Milner wrote in Shackelford's high school yearbook here that he said, and this is on July 12th,
1990, he'll write this. We know this because it's the day before something very big happened. Milner wrote, quote, your wisdom and advice have helped me out many times. Wish it could on the problem that I face now. Wish I could tell you, but you'll find out sooner or later. That's a yearbook signing. What the fuck? What happened to have fun this summer? What the fuck was that? Where is that? Stay cool. Don't change. Good luck next year. Like, what are we talking about here? Yeah.
Oh, my God. Boy, Mrs. Columbo was a real fat ass, wasn't she? Like, you know what I mean? Talk shit about a teacher. This is fucking ridiculous. He signed it. Glenn signed it. Damien misspelling it. D-A-M-I-O-N.
Like Old Dominion? Like Old Damien. Shackleford said he liked people to call him Damien. He liked people to take a step back when he introduced himself as Damien. Okay. Because in Panhandle in the 80s, that was still like, ooh, from the omen. Ooh, look at this guy. Now a ton of people are named Damien. It doesn't matter.
It doesn't matter at all. So Friday, July 13th, 1990. Oh, Friday the 13th. Friday the 13th. And that does have significance here for him. Of course it does. Of course it does. There's a girl named Lori McCoy. She's close friends with Frankie Garcia. Now, Frankie Garcia is a 17 year old.
And he's kind of a shy kid. She said about him, Laurie McCoy said, quote, he was pretty shy but very sweet natured and he smiled all the time. He's friendly. I think he was voted most friendly in our eighth grade class.
They did that in the eighth grade? Most friendly. Yeah. From seventh grade, you start getting yearbooks and they, you know, it'll happen here. Fucking make everybody most something. Yeah. So Glenn Milner and Garcia are not like buddies or close friends or anything. One friend who knew both of them said Frankie really got on Glenn's nerves. Frankie tried really hard to be everybody's friend.
So he sounds like normal, basically. Yeah. He's a sweet kid. Yeah, and this Glenn is like, ugh, with this bright energy. Get away from me. Ugh.
So Milner invites Frankie Garcia out to hang out on Friday the 13th here. Garcia talked to Shackelford, Milner's best friend, and said that he was a little skeptical about the whole thing. Why does he want to hang out with me? Shackelford, quoting Garcia, said, quote, Garcia said, quote, Glenn doesn't even like me, does he?
Then he said he just wants to take me out and pull a prank on me and scare the hell out of me probably. So, yeah, this was on Friday the 13th. He's like, should I go? And he's like, I mean, I don't know. Yeah, I guess so. Yeah. So they get to a barn that's out in the middle of nowhere.
That's where they're going to go hang out. He tells Frankie. Glenn tells Frankie there's a bunch of beer in this barn. So let's go hang out. There's a bunch of beer. It's awesome. It's going to be great. Now, this isn't really a not a real nice barn. It's a dilapidated barn that's near a deserted old shack. And all the local teenagers call it the haunted house.
So that's where he's taking him to drink a place with some lore. Just the two of us. You know what I mean? Can't find a field or some shit inside of you haunted house and some Bud Light Bud Light. Yeah. Now there is multiple. There's different takes on this. Some people have said there was a pentagram drawn on the floor that Milner had drawn a pentagram on the floor. Some people say there wasn't. So that's one of these. We don't we're not sure. But we are sure of this.
These two get inside the barn. Milner hits Garcia right away, knocks him down, attacks him, tells him to get down on his knees. So Garcia is down on his knees. Milner then takes out a rifle that he has had hidden in the barn for this very occasion.
What? Yeah, he's got all this prepared. That's why I believe the pentagram stuff might be true because we know he was here before planting stuff and preparing the area. He's got a gun there. He tells Frankie Garcia to put the barrel of this rifle in his mouth. Put it in his mouth. And Glenn will say this, quote, he grabbed hold of the barrel and I said, now put it in your mouth.
And we just sat and I kind of made him beg a little bit. And then I just shot him. What? Yeah. For no reason. For nothing? Nothing. Made him beg, had him down there, and just shot him. But he picks a person. Yeah. And they said to him, did Garcia say anything? Because he was an innocent person that would go along with it. He's a sweet kid, yeah. And Glenn said, he said, please, please don't do this.
Yeah. And then I bet this, um, he said this, this is his way of like mitigating it for himself. Glenn said, once I made sure it was quick. The only time he suffered was when he was scared.
Dude, what the fuck? Yeah. He's like, you know, it was quick. Don't worry about it. So that's, you know, it's not even a murder at that point. Yeah. That's basically like, you know, squashing a mosquito on your arm. You made it quick. It's fine. No reason. No reason. Then he said at that point, he also said he before he pulled the trigger, he recited an incantation of some kind. Okay.
Telling the later on, he will tell the police that it was some kind of ceremony for a secret religious belief that he had that he did not want to share with them. And they said, well, why Frankie Garcia? Why him? Why? There's a ton of kids around here. He said, well, I needed a virgin.
Okay. Now it's... This old shit. Yeah, I need a virgin now. He said that, yes, he does worship the devil, but I will not be specific about my religious beliefs. So...
And later when Garcia was found, they could tell by the prints in the dirt floor that he had been brought down to his knees. It was a .223 caliber rifle, by the way. That's a fucking AR, bud. Yeah, that's what I mean. Jesus. I wanted to be very accurate with it. It's a big fucking... It's a destruction weapon. Yeah, this is not your typical target shooting. Oh, man, he now knows what it looks like. It went right the fuck through that poor kid. That's what he wanted to see. Yeah, if he shot him with a .22, it wouldn't have done that. You know what I mean? No.
Yep, that's what he wanted to do. It's fucking awful. But he doesn't just go and turn himself in or just go home and whatever. This is about 10 o'clock. He leaves Garcia in the barn.
With his brains blown out. About a half hour later, Shackelford and another friend, Ron, notice Milner driving his car out of town. They get his attention. They get him to stop. And Shackelford said, hey, what you up to, bud? And Milner responded, quote, I just got done taking care of some business. I've got to go take care of some more. Oh, no.
How ominous is that? Yeah. Coming from this fucking guy. Right. Like, that's a lot. We're aware of what that means. Shackleford's not. So Milner then goes to Lake McClellan, where he knew a large birthday party was being held. No fucking way. Okay. He'll later say, my intention was to, I guess, rack up a body count.
Oh my god. But before I did, I had taken like eight Viverin.
which I don't think those are legal anymore. Those are caffeine pills that were on the market. Those were truckers, legal over-the-counter trucker speed of the 80s and 90s that, you know. Probably like extra strength no-dose. Yeah, yeah. I'm sure it's not legal now. Right. Probably, I'm sure, meth in it or something. He took shitloads of that and then went to a birthday party with his gun, I imagine. He said, and I hadn't eaten anything since like 9 o'clock that morning.
But he is on a shitload of Vyvran. So a bunch of caffeine pills and an empty stomach is not great. No, he's shaky. He said, since I didn't have anything in my stomach, I was real jittery and I was kind of sick. And so nothing I could do. I couldn't catch anyone alone or anything like that. So he stayed at this party for 35, 30 to 45 minutes trying to figure out how to kill people and then decided he was too jittery to do it. And so he just left the party.
Those people have no idea how fucking lucky they are. Yeah, yeah. No idea. Vibrant. No shit. Maybe they should sell that shit more. Maybe sell it more. Yeah, you planning on killing people? Take about eight of these, but don't drink, don't eat anything all day. So then he drives to Groom, which is another town. That's where he encounters Jimmy Britton, B-I-R-T-T-E-N. Jimmy Britton was the stepfather of a girl that he used to go out with.
Okay. His ex-girlfriend's stepfather. Not even a real father. Okay. He knocks on the door and tells... Oh, he went to the house. Went to the house. And Jimmy Britton answers the door.
And he says, a friend of mine had a wreck and I need to use the phone. My friend's car is fucked up. We were driving and I need to use the phone. So this Britain guy recognizes him as his girlfriend's ex-boyfriend. And, you know, he's been in the house before and stuff. So he goes, yeah, sure. Come on and use the phone. The stepdaughter's ex-girlfriend. The stepdaughter's ex-boyfriend. Yeah. So as soon as he gets inside the house, instead of using the phone, he pulls out a straight razor. Does Glenn. Oh.
And he starts fighting with Jimmy Britton using this razor to slash the fuck out of him. Okay. He slashes Jimmy Britton's throat and arms with a straight razor. Fucks him up, okay? Yeah. During this, by the way, his ex-girlfriend is there witnessing this. Her ex-boyfriend coming in. They haven't even spoken. It's not like they've been fighting or beefing or something. He's just here to borrow a phone. Just here to use the phone.
Glenn Milner, I guess it's the Vibrant on an empty stomach. The Vibrant saved multiple lives now. He starts throwing up.
During this, I guess all this movement in the course of doing this belly around, he starts throwing up while he's trying to fight this guy with a with a razor. Now, if you've ever been in a fight, you know, throwing up in the middle of it is not a great strategy for for winning. I'll make you I'll make you bend over. Yeah, it might take some. Let's make someone take two steps back for a second just to not get it on their shoes. But then you're in trouble. You know, after that, you're gonna be pretty fucked.
So, then Jimmy Britton, even though his throat is slashed and his arms are slashed with a straight razor, starts kicking his ass and fighting back. Wow. Because he's throwing up in his living room. Yeah. And he's a grown adult. Yeah. So, he ends up pushing him out the door. Britton throws Glenn out the door and locks it. Oh, okay.
He can't get back in now. Now he's out there. He's foiled. Foiled. Britain will eventually need over 200 stitches as a result of this. Oh, Lord. That is a lot of stitches. Wide open. Wide open. By the way, this is described as a 10 or 15 minute struggle. This is not a two second. You come in, I slash you. This is a fucking prolonged physical altercation. Yeah.
And Milner said that he was angry with Jimmy Britton because of stories the stepdaughter had told him about Britton. He was mean to her. So, you know, I'll go over now. He was a stepdad. Yeah, he was a stepdad. So Glenn's not done. So he's all thrown up now. He's all puked out. Yeah, yeah.
This is the 18 and Life song story here. Yeah. That's what this is. He's out of control. He's out of control, man. He's on the edge of... Came from the edge of town, the whole deal. Yeah. He's a mess. So, I don't know what is... What's his end game in this? Body count. Oh, boy. I don't think he has an end plan. Well, he does, actually, as we'll talk about it. Because he tries to do something, but he's too dumb to do it, as we'll talk about. So...
He drives now to somewhere else. He's like, okay. Where's he going? Killed the kid from school who was a nice kid. Slashed the fuck out of my ex's stepfather for no reason because he was mean to her or something. He's alive, but that's fine. Where do I go now? I'm going to drive back to Panhandle, and I'm going to go knock on the door of the high school principal, Ken Williams. Wow. Ken Williams, high school principal of Panhandle High.
Meanwhile, the police are certainly looking for him. Oh, yeah, yeah. No, after the Britain thing. Yeah. I mean, cops are called and they know who he is. They know exactly who he is, what his address is, what he drives. I mean, they know the fucking kid. But it's not in time to get to here. So Williams was previously a coach and teacher at another high school and was later be other principals at other schools. Now, when Williams asked Milner, what do you want?
After he opened the door, what can I do for you? Milner pulls out a .357 revolver from his pocket. Why does he have so many weapons? This guy's got... It's fucking firepower, too. Big guns. These are big fucking guns, man. Big guns, yeah. These are huge. Um...
And so the principal slams the door. Yeah. And he shoots three times through the door. Glenn does bucks three shots off, which will go right through a door. Three fifty seven striking Williams in the leg and in the abdomen with three. Got him twice. Got him two out of three through the door. Third shot missed and went into a wall.
So Glenn said, quote, I heard him screaming and I heard his wife screaming. And I just walked back to my car, got in my car and drove down to Maine Main Street. OK, where's he going? So this guy, by the way, Williams was shot in the leg and chest and needed several months in the hospital to recover. I believe injuries. Milner said he was super pissed off.
At Williams for several reasons is why he did this. The most glaring thing. This is really you got to be careful who you piss off and because you never know what pisses people off here. Some kind of change in a school homecoming celebration to change the theme on him. God damn it. You don't you're 19. You don't even fucking go here anymore. What do you care what the kids do for homecoming?
he's really searching for beefs it sounds like who am i mad at you know what that homecoming float sucked i think i'm shocked he knows where this principal lives but i guess in a small town you know where everybody lives no everybody lives yeah that's that's the benefit of being a principal in a big city i no one knows where you are an idea where to exact that rage you don't have to live right in that town yeah you can hide
under an assumed name um poor principal here he had 13 surgeries related to the shooting yeah because of the abdomen shit and he might need his hip and right knee replaced also from this whole mess yeah he years later he was still in pain management and still on medication and pain kills and all that kind of shit he said he shot me through the door so i had 52 pieces of
metal in me from the door. He got shrapnel from the door because it blew out an exit. He got a metal door. Yeah, it blew out an exit wound on the door, basically, like you would on someone's back and sprayed him with shrapnel. He said they still pop out from time to time. What's that? Oh, Jesus, his body's rejecting that. Oh, it's a piece of my door still. Oh, fucking hell. Years later, he said this. He said, and they lead to pinched nerves and other health problems, but I've learned to cope with it.
Yikes. So, about 2.30 or 3 o'clock in the morning now. It's 1 a.m. He shot the principal. So, he now drives to Main Street and Panhandle.
And find some teenagers in Panhandle just out on Main Street that he knows at 2.30 in the morning. That's a fucking tasty phrase. Yeah, it is a Friday night. So I guess it's dazed and confused basically driving around. Probably, yeah. And Milner stops. These are kids who go to Panhandle High. He stops and this is what he says, quote, I saw them and I said, I just took care of your problem. What? And they were like, what the fuck are you talking about, weirdo guy who doesn't even go to high school with us anymore? Yeah.
Who's still hanging around. What's up, Matthew McConaughey? What do you want? You jerked me off without being near me because that's my only problem right now. Yeah. He's basically McConaughey in days to confuse. That's who he is. So he said that Milner then tells them, I shot your principal.
And they said, get the fuck out of here. You didn't shoot your principal. You didn't shoot the principal. That's bullshit. He's full of shit. So he then pulls out his fucking 357 and shoots out his own car window to show them that he had a gun and he's willing to fucking shoot things.
Shot his own car? His own fucking car window out. Wow. And Glenn said, they freaked out and got back into their car. Gee, weird. Yeah. Strange. They think you're a murderer. And I just drove off and went and parked at the police station. I mean, it may as well. You're certainly going to get caught. Well, that's not his plan, though. His plan isn't to get caught. He said, I was going to wait for everyone to come, and then I was going to shoot myself. Oh.
The plan was, yeah, the play's got two bullets left in his .357, so he's like, hey, why not? But the reason why he didn't shoot himself, Jimmy? Why? I think he maybe said, oh, this is terrible. I should. No. No. He couldn't remember the words to take me to incantation is his exact quote. I couldn't remember the words to take me to incantation.
I needed to recite that to go where I needed to go. Yeah, to get to see what he wanted to see on the other side. Imagine him going, what the fuck? When is Google going to be invented?
This is what you had to do before the internet. You had to sit in your car in a police station parking lot after you've murdered people and terrorized the whole town and try to remember an incantation. This is bullshit. You won't make it to Juju land if you don't. Nope. He said, you mean that in a... J-U-J-U. Yes, thank you.
A lot of people listen. Someone's going to go, hey, what the fuck? Jimmy Wissman's a fucking anti-Semite. Calm down. I didn't say Jewish, Jewish land. Calm down, I said. It would have been even worse. It's Jew, Jew land. You know, up there where they run around. Everybody got curls or silly hats on.
With their candelabras and shit. You know how it is. He said, I couldn't remember the words. That's why I sat there for so long. I was trying to remember the words. It was kind of embarrassing, but I couldn't remember the words. Yeah, it's your own shit. Yeah, he said, I was ready to move to the other side. I don't belong here. So he said, I don't belong here. Yeah, though I walked through the fuck. What is it?
Jesus Christ. Yep. He had to recite them just prior to exiting this world so he could move on to the proper other side. So while he's trying to remember this, police arrive to the police station and say, hey, we'd love to have a chat with you, big guy. Let's come on in here. So he sits down with them. This is the morning of July 14th and gives a 41-page statement.
Wow. All these quotes I gave you were from his statement. Let him have it. He just doesn't give a fuck. Yeah, he starts talking. He says that, you know, it's weird, man. This is Texas Ranger Jim Mull is talking to him. And it's an hour-long interview. So, I mean, it's just, here it is. It's not a lot of getting to know you. You know, he just was like, let me tell you what I did. A, B, C.
So let's start with Frankie. What's up? So he talked about his desire to kill, and he regretted in this interview, he regretted that he couldn't kill more that night. He's like, I'm mad that I didn't kill more. He said, I'm not totally cold, but I don't have any feelings or remorse for any of this. But I'm not totally cold. Yeah. Which I don't know, what are you? That's totally cold, isn't it? I was going to say, what are you warm about then? Yeah.
If murder's not on your list of things to be feel sorry about. He said that Friday the 13th was interesting. He said that was a good day to do this. Sure. He said he received some kind of religious book on a previous Friday the 13th, and he thought maybe that was an omen, so he should do it on Friday the 13th. Yeah. He says, I lured Frankie out to the barn. And here's an excerpt from the conversation with the ranger here. Okay. Yeah.
The guy says, okay, let us know about the boy you shot. You picked him because you never really did like him and the fact that he was a virgin? Because he had already said that. And Glenn answers, I just never did like him and the fact that he was a virgin and he was very gullible. It all helped. Yeah. They said, how did you know for a fact that he was a virgin? What if you made a mistake?
Which is a very good question. Valid as fuck. That's a solid question. Seems a bit judgy. Yeah. And then Glenn said, it was something I could sense. Oh, I could smell it. I could sense he's never been inside a vagina before. I can smell untouched penis. I just can tell, yeah. He's sniffing.
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And he said, what book? Yeah. Pray tell, son. Yeah. What book? And then he. Is this the secret? Yeah. He spit out a fucking big wad of chew after that. He said, my religious book, I guess you could say.
Really, the weird part is it was the bridges of Madison County, which is really not what you expected out of this. That was the strangest part of the whole murder. So they said, does it have a name? And he said, no, no name. Book without a title. Where do you find it? Anybody out there ever brought a book that didn't have a title?
Nope. Go to the library and ask for that book. Yeah. This is just a section of just bound pages. We don't know what they're about. With words on them and shit. He said, nope, no name. It was an old book that someone had given to me. It was on Friday the 13th, on a Friday the 13th that I had received six years ago when I was 13. Okay. So, yeah. So they said, so you killed this boy just to make a name for yourself.
And Glenn said, well, yes, he was symbolic. He had a purpose. They said, symbolic of what? This is a very, and this is a 1990 movie.
Texas Ranger with a lip full of snuff. He's not going deep existentialism. I don't think he's read a lot of Nietzsche, probably. This guy's just like, boy, why'd you kill him? What the hell's wrong with you, boy? Every answer he gives requires seven questions. Seven more. You're a fucking asshole. He just keeps opening up bigger things. And the cop's probably just like, so you just didn't want to try out for the football team? I don't understand. Yeah.
What are we talking about? He could have been a good receiver. What's the problem? Yeah, he could have got charisma. He could have done it. So they said, symbolic of what? And Glenn said, the virginity. It was important in order to get through to the rest, get through the rest to the end. Yeah, but you're here, man. Which prompts the end of what?
Yeah. That's the question. Yeah. He said, well, at the end when I died, then I moved on to a higher plane of existence. Go beyond the door. What I call go beyond the door. Oh, God. So the cop said, was this just a personal thing? Yeah. He might have just well just said, boy, I'm.
Shook his head because that's what he's thinking. Are there more of y'all? Yeah. Is more of y'all just running around? He said, yes. I mean, some people like to go sailing. Yeah. This is a hobby. He said, I have always this has been a desire. I've always just wanted to kill. You know, they said, well, how long have you been wanting to do this? And he said, three, four years.
My friend, you are really fucking yourself. Wow, this guy is fascinating. They said, did you talk to anybody about it? He said, a few people.
Who are they? The question now is any professional people, doctors, maybe your parents, anybody. That's what the guy asks, which is a good question. Yeah. Ever tell them, have you feel how you feel? He said, when I was in the pavilion, which is the, the mental hospital for driving his car off the fucking cliff two years ago, I talked to my psychiatrist, but I saw, but someone I see, uh, and the guy says, tell them this, uh,
And he said, kind of, in a way. I just told them that I like serial killers, which our audience, there's plenty of people who are interested. There's a difference. Interested in. Yeah, that phrasing is fascinating. And like are different things. I like finding out information about serial killers. Yeah. Normal. I like them sick. He's like, cool. Like they're, you know, normal kids are with like, you know, people in bands and shit. Yeah.
He's like Glenn Danzig. Yeah, yeah. Other kids are like putting flannel shirts on, being like, this Nevermind is fucking great. And this kid's like, I just like serial killers. I don't know. I like them. I like them. He said, in the eighth and ninth grades, I did my reports on serial killers.
Uh, they said, what is the serial killer that you like? Who's the serial killer that you like? Fuck it. If he's talking, let him talk. Um, he said, I guess Ted Bundy, um, the love bit killer was my favorite, but my, uh, was my favorite. And then Jack the Ripper. And then I guess Manson.
You're a real hack. He's a hack. Yeah, he doesn't even dig deep. He couldn't even be like... I mean, we know a lot of serial killers. We've talked about them. This is very A&E, my friend. Yeah, he just saw shit in 1990. It wasn't even A&E. It was, you know... I saw something on Dateline or not even Dateline. It's NBC. No.
60 minutes. Fucking 60 minutes. I saw a 60 minutes interview. Charlie Rose told me about some shit. With an ex-Manson girl on Meet the Press that morning. Tim Russert told me all about. Squeaky fucking frog. Yeah. Then I guess Manson. So they said, do you feel any kind of remorse about killing this boy, Frankie? And he said, no. What? No. They said, what about the principal, Mr. Williams? No. No.
And they said, you know, he didn't die. And Glenn said, yes, I know. And they said, they told you that? And he said, yes. They said, and neither did the man Britain that you cut. And he said, yes. He said, so, so far, only got the one that died, Frankie. His answer to this is fucking hilarious because this is...
I feel like he'd be a decent employee. This is the thing. If you could get him to not kill anybody, he'd be a decent employee. You could get him to do things because his answer is, quote, I didn't do a very good job. No, you didn't. He didn't try to blame others. He didn't try to skirt the responsibility, shirk it. He said, I didn't do a very good job. I'll do better next time.
He then said that he really wants the death penalty for killing Frankie. He said he was hoping to have killed Britton and Williams if that makes it more deathy. He said that he has no remorse. He said, quote, I just want to move on and that's why I want the death penalty.
They said at one point, anything else you want to talk about while you're here? Yeah. I mean, chit-chatting? Yeah. And he said, quote, no, just my parents. I didn't want to hurt them or anybody else. I mean, I'm not totally cold. I have had a lot of girlfriends that I do love. I love them a lot, and I do feel love, and I like to be loved. It's just that I don't belong.
They're like, oh, OK, well, then what the fuck happened to you, man? Go ahead and lock you on up here. Yeah. Yeah. His friends said that they also had in their possession a hit list of his of intended victims. OK. And a videotape detailing his motives and plans. And the police were subpoenaing that as well.
So these simple panhandle folk freak the motherfucker out, as you can imagine. I believe it. They lose their fucking minds. Kids aren't allowed outside anymore. It's like everything. No, stay in here. One lady who has four children said, there's a fear that there are more Satanists out there. There are rumors that they're looking for blonde-haired, blue-eyed boys to sacrifice.
This is just people talking down at Shirley's or whatever the fuck. Probably not at Shirley's about this, but at other panhandle establishments, they're just sitting around. I hear they're looking for little blonde boys. Yeah. Whoever the Volkswagen Ranch is, they're talking about killing our favorites. Oh, my God.
He's been bragging to people. Yep. That's it. One of his friends said he said that this is one of the teenagers he met on Main Street. He said that he shot Williams and then said, I finished off Frankie Garcia. Then he took a gun out and shot a hole through his own car window to prove to us he was serious.
The prosecutor is in agreement with him on one thing. He would also like the death penalty for Glenn. That's the only thing they're in agreement with. Everything else, they're miles apart on a lot of other shit. I like the way you think on one topic. Yeah. They're worlds apart like Journey, but otherwise they're here.
He said, Mr. Milner has indicated a strong desire to die, and I intend to do all I can to see his wishes are accommodated. I would enjoy to satisfy that for him. Oh, man. The court-appointed defense attorney, when talked to, said, I just got the case. He said, I don't even know what's going on yet. Asked me nothing. He said, at this time, I'm not really sure where it's all going to lead.
That's not great. As for the rumors of Satanism, the lawyer said, I don't think that's a guiding influence in his life, but I just don't know. I just got here. Yeah. Shackleford, his best friend, says he doesn't really think Milner cares what happens to him. He said, I think he would have committed suicide eventually. I think he wants to die. I think the death penalty would probably please him. Sure. I mean, yeah. So they're trying to figure out a motive and all they can come with is he took him to the haunted house.
He's got horror film, Satan, Satan, Satan. So that's it. They're going to try to West Memphis three of these motherfucker, this motherfucker quickly. Only this guy is very guilty. Yeah. So they indict him on two counts of attempted capital murder and also murder as well. Obviously capital murder. Um,
The capital charges carry a higher penalty, including the death penalty or life sentences. And that's that's not good here, obviously, for him. But maybe it is because that's what he wants.
So before they get to trial, though, early 1991, everybody is shocked when he just decides to enter into a plea agreement. Oh, he'll just say he did it. He's going to plead out to this, which nobody thought was going to happen here. He pleads guilty to attempted two counts of attempted capital murder and to murder as well. Not good for him. So the judge says, you, sir, dipshit, fucking weirdo, may fuck off.
Three lifetime prison sentences. Lifetime. Life sentences times three. Yeah. Altogether. I think the murder is for no parole and the other two are life with parole because they're attempted murder. Okay. But it doesn't matter. Yeah. So when he is sentenced to all this, this is creepy as fuck.
His surviving victims are there, including Mr. Principal Williams and his wife. After he's sentenced, Glenn Milner turns to the principal, points a finger at him and his wife, and said that he'll finish the job if he ever gets out of prison. I'm coming for you. How dare you fuck up that homecoming? How angry are you over homecoming floats? What the fuck is happening? Wow. Wow. Wow.
So he sits in jail now for 10 years. Then in 2000, he appeals to,
And his murder conviction is set aside by the federal courts. How? A technicality related to the construction of the plea agreement. They didn't do paperwork correctly. Why would you? Wrong things there. Do your fucking job. Now, the way this works is, too, this doesn't just this. If he's retried on the murder charge, this will be double jeopardy now.
The way it works out. Normally it doesn't work out like that, but this way it was for some reason it went to the Supreme Court. It's because of the plea. Yes. This eliminates Milner being punished for more than once for the same crime and reduces his prison sentence by at least 15 years. He they said now he could be out, you know, as early as eligible for parole as early as 2010.
Williams, move. I would get the fuck out of the panhandle. So, yeah, it's double jeopardy. Nobody even questioned that. Even the prosecutors are like, I guess it is here. So he will remain in prison for the assaults.
but he's no longer being punished. He's no longer a murderer. Put it that way. Even though he said, I took this kid said, put this gun in your mouth, made him beg for his life and then blew his fucking brains out. Not a murder. That is crazy. Yeah. So, uh, Jimmy Britton is pretty pissed off about this. I believe it. Yeah. He said, it's shocking that the court system would allow this to happen. It's a pretty sorry court system when they let somebody off of a murder charge that they confess to.
Fucking sorry. Sorry. It's some sorry bullshit here. He probably said some sorry shit and they were like, it's the paper. Let's this is 19. You know, Principal Williams said he's very upset by the court ruling and I don't blame him. Yeah. He said, I think people need to understand that somewhere along the line, this has got to stop. The victims can't keep being victimized. It never ends for people like me or the Garcia's or Mr. Britton. Good people are still being victimized by this evil person.
Absolutely. Remember McCoy, the girl there from the beginning, his friend? She said, I was shocked. If I could pick, I don't know which charge they should have let go, but I could not believe it was the murder charge. Yeah.
I'd say one out of three. It's not going to be that one. This is Texas, for Christ's sake. That's fascinating. Panhandle Texas. This isn't like, oh, that's what they do down in Houston. This is fucking, they can't even do that. You're stringing up with your own intestines here. Yeah. Look, there he goes. She said, he admitted it. I felt sad for the family and for the other victims. She said she didn't witness any of the violence, but she said, of all the people, why Frankie?
She doesn't understand it. She said, I don't get it. He was a virgin. Do you know? That's wild. She said, and all sorts of teenagers used to go to that bar, and that was the party bar in the haunted house. They'd go there to drink beer and finger each other. Yeah. And she said, that's where people went to get scared.
And now it's even scarier, I would think. Now you really get scared when you go there. She said she began having nightmares after the funeral, after Frankie's funeral. In her recurring dream, she said a deceased Frankie would appear and ask her to go with him to the barn.
Oh, that is fucking creepy. Oh, good. That's you'll wake up screaming from that shit. Yeah. She said, I guess I was replaying in my mind what I had read about Frankie's death in my dream. Glenn told Frankie to get on his knees and then he shot him execution style. I had to witness that. So Frankie would have someone there with him. Jesus Christ. Oh, my God. She said this dream and others involving Frankie continued for about four years until
Just terrorized her for four years. Why didn't she? Oh, boy. That's bad, man. What do you do for that? Valium.
I think therapy and Valium, I think is the answer there. I'm not a doctor. Don't get me wrong. Drugs or booze. Something. Yeah. She said, I still have a terror of guns beyond imagination because of my dreams. Yeah. So she said about the dreams because of those very vivid, horrific nightmares. I think they made me afraid of Glenn. I don't know if it's so much who he is or as it was, what he has become in my mind.
So, 2010, he's up for parole. Get out of here. Up for parole. But he has a bad year here. He is denied parole, and his mom, Shirley, dies in the same year. Oh, shit. So, double whammy. Sorry, Shirley, I feel bad for you, but, you know. 2015, he's up for parole again. Mm-hmm.
But Principal Williams here is seriously doing an all-out assault to try to get him to not be able to come out of prison, which I don't blame the guy. I mean, told him, if I ever get out, I'm coming for you. So he sends letters and gets tons of people to send letters to the parole board and
To say, please don't let this fucking lunatic out here. Then also, William said, I'm going to speak face to face with the parole board this time. I can only speak to one of them and that one person will make his or her recommendation to the rest of the parole board. So, yeah, he said that this is what he said in this letter. Quote, he put him in the middle of a pentagram and blew his brains out. Sacrificed him as a virgin to the devil. He's a sociopath, a perfect example. It was very planned.
Yeah. Yeah. And he said also Milner was in solitary confinement for a long time because he was such a fucking problem. Really? And he said that he found out that he's been in gen pop recently for the last couple of years. Oh.
And the principal said, that's one step closer to getting out. He promised that he would finish the job on me if he ever got out. That's kind of a scary deal. You bet. Yeah. He said, I just believe he's going to be kept in. He doesn't need to get out. He's going to kill again. There's no doubt about it. Oh, sure. For sure. This guy, I have no remorse at all. None.
Wow. So they said the offender's files, this is the parole board, are sent to the respective board offices around the state. Everything is on file. Everything in the file is reviewed or considered. There's a three person panel board and they decide whether or not he qualifies. Williams said in his file that he has more than 250 letters opposing the release.
So people do. There's nobody going, you should just let him out. It's fine. It's all people go and fuck this. He also says, quote, we as victims keep going through it over and over. I'm pretty dogged and I'm not going to give up. I forgave him a long time ago, but that doesn't mean I want him out of jail.
Agreed. So he has denied parole in 2015. 2018, his dad, the old Indian, dies. Uh-oh. Yeah. Indian dies. So his parents are dead. He's in prison. And from what I could find, he's still in prison. So he didn't get out in 2020 either. Looks like they're doing him every five years.
Which is like the most time they can take between them. So he's doing that. They're doing him like that, which is good. You don't need him. Like a Manson family member. Yeah. Because what the fuck? We don't need this kid. It's not the Satanism or any of that shit. I don't care about that shit. I don't have any remorse for killing this kid. I love that he went on a crime spree and nobody knows who the fuck he is.
All that for nothing, you fucking jerk. This is going to make me famous. Nope. Well, I mean now, but it took this long. Yeah, it took 30 years for us to find out about you, you piece of shit. Almost 35 for us to notice you. So he's a loser and will remain in prison to lose more and more. Wow. In games of checkers and cards and anything else he does. He's just a fucking loser.
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