On this week’s episode of The Waves, Slate senior editor and science writer Shannon Palus is joined by staff writer Rebecca Onion to talk parenting and family life during the Delta wave. They start by talking about how they get through the days when all the news feels apocalyptic and Rebecca’s fears for her unvaccinated child. Then they get real about their varying levels of optimism and tolerance for those who refuse to get vaccinated.

Recommendations:

Rebecca: The Paramount+ show Evil.

Shannon: The young adult novel They’ll Never Catch Us, by Jessica Goodman.

Podcast production by Cheyna Roth with editorial oversight by Susan Matthews and June Thomas.

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The Waves: COVID Exhaustion