On today’s episode of Hear Me Out: a fond farewell.

This is the last episode of Hear Me Out. And it comes at a volatile, strange time in the world of podcasting. Networks’ priorities have shifted, the money has shifted, and “success” means different things to different people.

Nick Hilton of Podot and Future Proof joins us for a discussion about the future of podcasting… whether we’re in it or not.

The Hear Me Out team is grateful, endlessly, to every single listener who’s sent us a note. We’re not sure how long the address will work, but if the show mattered to you, we’d love to read your emails: hearmeout@slate.com

Podcast production by Maura Currie, who owes many more things than this podcast to Celeste Headlee.

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