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Welcome back to Write Answers Mostly, a podcast on what you didn't learn in history class but really wanted to. My name is Tess Belomo. And my name is Claire Donald. And Rammies. We have a very special guest here today.
We have the one, the only, Jake Shane! Yay! Hey, guys. Our listeners were so excited to find out that you were coming on. They lost their shit. Like, between Taylor's album coming out and you coming on, we got messages being like, is this the best week of 2024? Really? Stop. I feel like our fans definitely overlap. Nope. They for sure do. We are honored. Yeah. We are honored. So for maybe the one person listening who might not know you, I know everyone is obsessed with you. We just have a lot of fans.
A little intro for you. Build them up. Build you up, honey. So Jake Shane is a comedian and digital superstar who, at just 23 years old, has amassed more than 3 million followers across social media platforms. Originally starting his social media accounts as a fun way to share his love of favorite food, octopus, Jake built a connection with his audience through his improv-style reenactment videos that are actually the funniest thing you will ever see on the internet. They really are. Thank you. I need to do them more.
Oh my God. Oh my God, please. We have a ton of subjects that you can pull from. Please, honestly, I'm gonna. Oh yes, just go through the Spotify. Just this month, Jake launched his video podcast Therapist with Jake Shane, which hit number three on Spotify's top comedy podcast.
We love those Spotify rankings, honey. Yeah, we do. They make us feel great. They do. Beyond his comedic and entrepreneurial endeavors, Jake is dedicated to speaking candidly about his OCD and anxiety diagnosis in an effort to make these subjects more relatable for young people. Oh.
Which is just amazing. What an angel. I know. People are always like, you're doing it to normalize it. And I'm like, yeah, I'm also doing it because I like have, I like can't not. Right. You're like this is my daily life. It's not like, I don't, there's like, I feel like everyone's like, there's like, it's never that deep. It's like, I just, I literally have, like if we're like going to be friends, like my followers are like my friends, I'm going to tell you I'm anxious.
Of course. And we love that. And if that makes people feel better about it, even better. It's always made me feel better. Well, you're amongst some anxious girls, so we're all in good company together. Literally, this morning, like, well, we do have to talk about, we have to talk about Taylor just to, like, because I woke up this morning with anxiety in a way that, like, I don't know why it was making me so happy, but it was also making me feel so many things that I was like, I think I need to settle and, like, take a breath. It's because...
This is, how long, have you been like a Swifty for a while? Since 1989. So 2014 is when I really started. So I think what's stressful, I think I, cause it's really like emotionally overwhelming, but I think what's stressful kind of about the album releases is that everybody now is talking about it. And so you're being met with a million different opinions and you can't, it's kind of hard to like,
Taylor makes a really good album, right? So like in a really good album, like a really good musical album hits you like a wave. And then you kind of like swim to the shore and like you kind of let the songs like trickle down your face and like you kind of like listen to it and you take it in. Like you're not supposed to be obsessed on the first listen. And I think in our culture today, like on like TikTok and stuff, like.
You almost like get anxious because you're like, oh, I don't like the song everybody else likes. This album is like it's an album. It is for us. I need to just listen to it and I need to like take it in. That's a beautiful way to put it. I think it is like the anxiety of immediately like, OK, so who's this song about? What are people thinking about this? Am I behind? Being in the know. Behind. You don't want to like fall behind. Have you been in 50 since like debut? Since...
Yeah, since debut. I mean, teardrops on my guitar I loved. And then I kind of like lost my way during Fearless because I was very big on Lady Gaga at the time. Oh, true. And then Speak Now came out and I was just ever since then. We're back. What's your favorite era?
I probably read Taylor's version. Because it was very, like, it was her entrance into society again, kind of. Of course. After COVID. She debuted. She had, like, this, like, kind of, like, it was from the folklore hair to, like, the hair and the bangs were back. The bangs were good. And the SNL performance. She was on Late Night again. It was great. Oh, our babe has arrived, everyone. A special delivery. Yay! Special little treat. Thanks, Allie. Yay!
Jake showed up and he was like, I hear that we smoke on the show. I would preface this podcast with that. You can get, oh my God, let's fucking go. Let's go.
Guys, we're going to get high again. We're getting a little... Here, do you want me to help you out? Oh, is there like a knife? We need to cut it with my nails. Okay. Oh, wow. Oh, she knows. She's not my first rodeo. But I think that's kind of the... I remember like sitting there and I'm like, Taylor Swift albums, the reason she is as big as she is is because she's so personal. Yeah. The music is going to be so personal. Yeah. Sometimes it's hard to... It's fun to listen to it with other people and experience it with everyone. But it's...
Sometimes it's hard because it's so personal to you. Totally. You really need to listen to it on your own. I haven't done a listen of it on my own yet by myself alone. It's powerful. I did it last night with noise-canceling headphones in my bed in the dark. How was that? With an edible. It was so powerful. I saw my phone. Group chats were going off. The girls were wanting to talk. I was like, I just need to listen to the whole thing. I think you'll love that experience.
I'm excited. What are your first thoughts about it? My first thoughts are it's amazing. Everything she does is amazing. Like, I'm not – it's foolish to say it's not because she's not going to put out anything that has the chance here. I got it. No, she's so smart. I got the first part. I can cut the back though, I think. Oh, yeah. Cut the back. Okay, cut the back. You guys keep talking. I'm going to keep working. This feels like we're just hanging out. No, we are. Well, that's what we love. Yeah, that's what we do. Yeah, it's just like –
I love Taylor albums because I mean, I always say the second listen is my favorite listen. Yes. Because the best part about a Taylor song is once you figure out the structure, it's great to follow the song. So like sometimes when I'm first listening to it, I'm like, okay, I'm waiting for the bridge. Okay. Where's the chorus? Yes. You just got to kind of like first listen, be present, and then you listen to it again and you're like, okay, now I know this is the chorus. And like, you kind of like are following along and like,
I don't know. Do you have a like a favorite? Yeah, I have a few favorites. Oh, thank you. Your video last night of you screaming. Oh, because she said everything's about you. So maybe it is. I was like, yeah, that was my I have my top three are. OK, so when I first listened to So Long London, this was the same exact feeling as I had when I listened to You're Losing Me. I was like, I love I like it.
And then I listened to it a second time and I was like, oh, fuck, I love it. I love that one to me. Yeah. One of the best track fives I think she's had. Oh, ever. What is it? I gave you all that youth for free or whatever that line is. Yeah, that's the one that. Just cried. Oh, my God. And like, I don't know. It's just it's a really good. I think this is her most personal album she's ever recorded. So vulnerable. Because especially she on this song, she has I can do it with a broken heart. Yeah. She's talking about the arrows tour and like being miserable. Yeah.
And like she never, and the eras to her, as she was doing it, her media image was so painted. And then she's kind of like, oh, I was literally miserable. So she's never done that before. No, I know. And she's like, I love you guys. But also like my life does not revolve around you. Like I'm going through other shit, which is hard to hear. Yeah.
- It's also amazing to hear. I also appreciate that she was like, "Shut up fuckers, let me date who I wanna date." - Yeah, loved that. - I really appreciate that she did that. - She deserves to have us not being like, "We don't support you." 'Cause it's like, she's a grown woman. - How old is she, 33, 34? - Something like that, let her live. Let this woman live. - I mean, it's crazy 'cause everything she does, everything she does,
There's commentary on it. I can't even imagine. And she's so polarizing too because she is so talented and successful that people are going to want to bring her down. Yep. And
Also, thank you. If I may. Please. Okay. Also, like, we were talking about this earlier. Like, how can you not be jealous of her in some way? And, like, jealousy is such a human emotion. And it's like, because you look at her and you're like, wow, she has everything, you know? And you feel so connected to her. Right. You know? So it's like, how could you not? But you've got to let it go and just enjoy. Yeah. I mean, I always feel more connected to her after she said those lyrics of, like, you guys lay off of me. Same. Because you're just like, you're a normal woman. That's also, like, I'm annoyed by these comments. And, like. It's just.
I think she's also saying if you want me to continue making music for you, you need to let me live my life. Yes, like shut the hell up. Do you want? Oh, sure. I mean, let's see how this goes. Let's do it. Tess is hosting, but she can do it. Just do a little one. Sorry. No, please. We're doing this in honor of 420, everyone. Yes, happy 420. Happy 420. Let's just blow up this room. It's like the ultimate Ram holiday. But, I mean, she has to live her life, and I think...
The album is so good. It's like if Midnight's and Folklore had a baby. Yes. I think it's like a much more deep, grown-up Midnight's in a great way. Same. Agreed. I'm so obsessed with Who's Afraid of Little. Me too. I love that one. When she goes, sing! Sing it to us. Just like that. Don't make me sing. No, it was beautiful. But it feels like a musical number. It feels like right before like,
You know, like the last song where she's just like, I'm going to fuck you all up. Yeah, there's that theater kid. I mean, I don't know if I want to keep this in, but can we just please talk about the Kim track? Okay. So, okay. I, at first, am a little like, I'm a little tired. She grows tired. I grow tired. I am not. Okay. And I'll tell you why. Taylor Swift is like, if you want to beef with me, like, this is like...
You know how there's rap beef? And we praise everyone for like, oh, he went there. She went there. They hit below the belt. Taylor's like... Taylor kind of writes like that. She's like, I'm gonna... I don't even think she hit below the belt. And also, she's never really...
I mean, like, if you really think about it, Kim, like, really, like, that really, Kim and Kanye took her out. Disgusting. It was disgusting. It's her story to tell for as long as she wants. It would be inauthentic to not sing and write about it. You're right. You're right. Tell me. Well, that is a good point. I mean, I do think we put, like, women in a different category of, like, oh, now you're kind of holding a grudge. You're, like, being dramatic. And then when, like, male pop stars are still singing about God knows what, we're like, oh, they're just. Or rappers.
Or like there's, we're so entranced by beef all the time. And like, why not make it a song? I mean, that line was iconic though. Your daughter's going to come home and not know the song's about us. Jesus Christ. Oh, it was like my jaw hit the floor. We screamed. We screamed. I was like, oh my God. Downright iconic. And it's like, that's pop culture at the end of the day. You know what I mean? No, that's what we're here for. No, that is true. That's pop culture. It's messy. Yeah. But that's what it's supposed to be. The second pop culture is not messy anymore. Like we've lost it.
No, I know. I mean, I fear it every day sometimes. It's just, you know, like we can't ever lose it. Pop culture is really good right now. It is good. The only thing that's scaring me is that Housewives is not on. Are you a Bravo person? I am, but I have heard that this for the first time in like 12 years, there's no Housewives on. It's making me feel uneasy. Just saw you on Watch What Happens. Yay! We were bartenders too.
- We're on the family. - Bravo family, it's so fun. Andy's lovely, so hot. - So hot. - And truly just like, whoa. - We have an episode on the history of him and the whole time we're just talking about how sexy he is. - Yeah, we really could not focus. - What is his history? Where did he start? - St. Louis, Missouri. He worked at CBS and then found his way to Bravo and it all started really from a gossip column.
And then here we are today. Listen to our Andy Cohen episode. Yeah. Always plugging, honey. Yeah, he's very hot, but so fun. So fun. It was lovely. It was really fun. It was cool. They treat you so well. They're so lovely. I feel like you're like... Bravo Liberty. What were you drinking? Bravo Liberty.
I was drinking a Red Bull vodka. Oh, love that. We had some martinis, maybe one too many for me personally. I was like, it was like I hadn't eaten yet and I was like, oh, fuck, I can't. We also were like kind of drunk on an empty stomach. I was like, fuck, what the fuck am I going to do? Like if I black out on Watch What Happens Live right now, I'll never live it down. Well, you would not be the first and you would not be the last. Yeah, truly. Yeah. Well, Jake, we are so excited to have you on and to chat. Yes, we're just going to go.
Let's gossip.
literally in my notes, OG Nepo baby. You know more about Grace Kelly than I do. I just know. I was reading it and she was like, Oh, also known as like grace of Monica or something. I could be off. And I was like, Oh wow. Oh, she has, she has quite the story. She has quite the life. Um, we always start our episodes with citing our sources. Cause you know, journalism, of course. Um, and we have a little family tree for different sources that we use. So we say that, um,
So I did use Wikipedia, our stepfather. Our stepfather. Because he's always there, but you can't really trust him. Yeah. But like sometimes you can. You just never know if it's 100% accurate. That's like really accurate. But like most of the time it is, it's like a mom and pop restaurant. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. It's like not always going to hit. Yeah. Ain't that the truth? I have Town and Country magazine. Oh, wow. Okay. Which I was like bougie, right? Yeah. That's bougie. I didn't know they covered like.
Same. I was like, wow. They can do it all. They can do it all. And we have Time Magazine. Oh, Time is our grandfather. Grandfather. Grandfather that knows all. Yes. Who smells like peppermint and tobacco. Yeah, I'm like, they're knowing. Yeah, exactly. Oh, also the pen just hit me a little bit. Yeah, I was like, here we go. Welcome to the party. Welcome. Okay, so Grace Kelly, she was born November 12th, 1929. Scorpio. Scorpio. What's your sign? I'm Scorpio. Oh, when's your birthday? October 27th.
Oh, your Halloween baby. Scorpios are, like, really sexy. I mean, you know this. I know, but I'm a Gemini rising, Gemini moon, so that's what I come across as. Oh. Yeah, I'm a double Gemini. So I come across, like, my Scorpio's really hidden. Oh, Jake, you keep everyone on their toes. I know, I know. But that's why I feel like sometimes I don't really know who I, like, that's why it's hard for me to find myself because I'm a twin sign for rising and moon. So, like, the way other people view me, I view myself differently.
So like the way they're telling me I am, I also think I am, which just solidifies it even more. And then like my son kind of disappears. Oh, but it's always in you. That's a journey. I mean, I don't know if that's true. Yeah, it's insightful. It's true though. Scorpio is in you with grace. Of course. Yeah, of course. You're a Scorpio as well? No, I'm a Taurus. Oh, I love Taurus. Do you? What are you? I'm a Virgo.
I love Virgo too. My favorite are Taurus, Virgo, and Pisces. I don't love. I'm a Pisces moon and Scorpio rising. Oh, wow. All the family. Oh my God. And you're a Virgo. Oh, wait, that's all water. Virgo's earth. Oh, wow. Oh, it's cancer. The sign I don't like. I'm very close with them, but if I don't like some of the closest people in my life are the sign, which is. Just say it. Actually. You don't have to. I don't. I don't love a Libra.
Oh, that's fine. I don't... That's okay. Is it the indecisiveness? But that's interesting. I don't like how they play the field. Because you're a double earth sign and Libra's... Or air. And then Libra's also airs. Like, they're very unproblematic. Yes, they are. But they're also like... It's like, pick a problem. Yeah. You know what I mean? We get it. Yeah, we get it. We totally understand. Stand for something. I'm looking for a fire sign right now. Like I said, I'm really single. Oh, wow. I'm like, let's have some fun. Call her. But I do also love the Aries in my life. Oh, yeah. It's like I love... Everyone in my life who I love...
But then if I don't know them and I find out they're that sign, I'm like, ugh. Like, I don't really know what I'm talking about. It's just an excuse. You know what I mean. I do. It's an excuse to talk shit, which we all need. Yes, we do. And that's what we're doing right now. Okay, so a little bit about her family and childhood. So she was born into a prominent Catholic family in Philadelphia. So we're visualizing, like, a huge brick house with, like, ivy, white picket fence. Like, rich. Wealth.
Her dad, John B. Kelly Sr., which I put he's never met a poor person in his life, was an Olympic champion for sculling. Do you know what sculling is? Sculling? Sculling. Sculling, I guess, is a type of crew. Oh, my God. It's just so rich. Oh, that's so rich. I was literally about to say. Of course, I don't even know what sculling is. The fuck is that? But also, crewmen are so hot. I mean, look at her. She's hot. What do you think the hottest sport is? That's a great question.
Oh, God. I mean, I think swimmers are hot. I know that's kind of controversial. I find myself really attracted to football players all the time. I was about to say, I'm from Arkansas, so to me, those little tishes. We do love a tush. Oh, my God. I know. They just know what's up. I know they do. And they're big. I also think hockey players are hot. Oh, my God.
Oh, yeah. I mean, it's like some intensity. It's like rough and dirty. Soccer, too, I think. I think soccer is so sexy. I think it's sexy. They feel a little bit more like approachable to me. I mean, David Beckham and his day. Oh, yeah. What am I talking about? Oh, of course. So, yeah, her dad was hot. And then after his Olympic days, he started a successful brick work contract company.
And just kept getting richer. So they kept, so they also had random shit that made them rich back then too. Well, and then, yeah, exactly. Just like, sure, do it. Because like, you know when you meet someone like loaded and you're like, wait, so what do you do? And they're like, oh, well, my dad sells liquor.
Yeah. Like that's what that is. Exactly. You're just like, oh, you're rich. I don't have to ask any more questions. Yeah. And then he became the Democratic nominee in 1935 for the mayor election of Philadelphia, which is a Democrat back in the day. Isn't that like hot? Even hotter. I know. My God, we just don't see this. I know. But he lost. But at least he tried. Of course he did. God.
I'm pretty sure. Don't quote me on this. What year was this? 1935. I'm pretty sure. Oh, my God. I could be totally wrong and I could totally be speaking out of my ass. I'm pretty sure back then, like, the... It was reversed. It was reversed. You're right. I forgot about this. Kennedy was a Democrat in the...
Yeah, you know, we don't know what we're talking about either. That's why you're on Right Answers mostly. Yeah, in the 30s, because the Republicans will always be like, Lincoln was a Republican. You're like, sure, sweetie. But it was like reverse. Also, back in these days, it wasn't so polarizing and concerning. So true.
But so her family was all around really chic. Her uncle, Walker, Walter C. Kelly was a vaudeville star. Nepo baby. With vaudeville. It's like theater performing.
It's like where they're like, da-da-da-da-da-da-da. Oh, wow. That was her uncle? That was her uncle. Oh, so Grace is living a good life. Well, he was a star for MGM and Paramount. So he was popular. And her uncle, George C. Kelly, was a Pulitzer Prize winning screenwriter and director. Oh, so the Kellys are doing great.
The Kellys have never seen Struggle. God, no kidding. And I like the story because a lot of what we talk about on Ram is some depressing shit. We talk a lot about someone going through tons of struggle. And this is pretty much just a nice story all around. Oh, I'm excited. Which is nice and warm and bubbly until the end. Oh, okay. So just prepare yourself. Preparing. So I did say here, was Grace Kelly the first nepot baby in Hollywood? Perhaps. Perhaps.
Perhaps. Could be one of them. And she seems like she did a really good job with the title. She did. She really did. She used it. So this is actually funny. Her mom was a P.E. teacher. No. And a part-time model. What? Which you don't see every day. You don't see it now. Find you a girl who can do it all. Okay. Yeah. I would not expect Grace Kelly's mom to be a P.E. teacher. A P.E. teacher feels random. She was the first woman to coach women's athletics at Penn. Wow.
That's iconic. Okay. Isn't that iconic? The Kellys are putting us to shame. It just keeps going. I got out of bed today and I was proud of all of them. What the fuck? Oh, so Grace has a lot to live up to. She does, which can be, you know, I mean, that can be a struggle in and of itself. She was the littlest of three siblings. Oh. What is your, are you an only? I have a younger brother. Everyone thinks I'm an only child. I know.
It's just how I act. Because we have something that we say on RAM, which is LSE, which is little sibling energy. Because we're both the youngest. Claire and I really have of kind of just like expecting people to do everything for you. Yeah.
So do you have... Like, are you the caretaker? What's, like, the dynamic? I'm the doer. The doer. Because you're the first. I'm the doer. Yeah. Like, if I want something, I will go get it. That is what I'll do. Love that. Does your brother live in California? Yeah, he does. He goes to college out here. Oh, that's so nice. Yeah. It's nice. He's the best. Yeah, I can't imagine being an older sibling. I just really can't. I wasn't able to...
But it's just how we were raised. I was raised in New York. My parents were kind of just like, go. Yeah. And like... Yeah, those New Yorkers. And like also like I lived in Washington Heights and all my friends lived on the Upper West Side because that's where I went to school. So I had to take the subway alone since I was like 12 every single day. That is so crazy to me that like New York kids do this. So like I would take the subway alone every single day since I was 12 and...
kind of just do things like you're like like I think that's what maybe I was talking about earlier sorry I know we were on Grace Kelly but when I was talking about like how LA kind of made me like
Oh, like Chrissy. Like, yeah, I like Ubering places feels very different because I don't drive. Yeah. Then taking the subway and the subway. I'm like, I'm doing and then Uber. I'm like taking. Oh, honey, you deserve it. You deserve it. You've seen some shit on the subway. I'm sure. Yeah. Yeah. Sometimes. But what's scary about the subway is if you fall asleep, no one there to wake you up. Oh, it sounds like that's happened to you. Oh, my God. I just wake up and you're like, I wake up by the grace of God. I wake up always before my stop.
But I always like, like my eyes, like we're closing like that. Like kind of like you do in a car when you're getting really tired. I mean, if I sit down for too long, I might fall asleep today. So I understand. Understand. So, so Grace is a, she's, she's a theater girly. So she's in high school and she's like, I love the arts.
She was at a Catholic girls school and she started modeling in local charity events. And this is kind of when people are like, you are so beautiful. Can I take a photo of her again? Of course. It's just like, she's one of those people. It's like, you're not of this earth. Like just, she's, it's a,
I just started typing in Taylor Swift. That makes sense. That makes sense for how everyone's saying Dylan. There has been a chip inserted in all of us. She has a hold on us. Here she is, Jake. Oh my God. Like, back in the day, too, you know? Look at her. Look at her. I'm like, almost like, you know,
Nicole Kidman played her, right? Like 10, 15 years ago or something. She kind of looks like Nicole Kidman in this photo a little bit. Sorry to bring it back to Taylor, but I feel like Taylor was like Grace Kelly vibes when she was like going into 1989, like the way that she was dressed. Yes. Wow. Yes. Like East Coast, feminine, Rhode Island, rich. Rich. That's like the theme. It's still in to dress rich, right? Or is that more last year? No, that's in. It's still in. I think, right? It's,
It's always in. It's always in. That's true. It's how you do it. Yes. It's never the right way. And there it is. It's a hard thing to get right. So when she graduated from high school, after pursuing theater the whole time and dance, her yearbook listed her favorite actors as Ingrid Bergman and Joseph Cotton. And her yearbook said in the prophecy section, Miss Grace P. Kelly, a famous star of stage and screen. I have chills. Which I was going to ask.
Yes.
Love it. Claire was most likely to be a star, right? I think I'm famous. We're working on it. I wasn't sure if they still did this because I know it can be a little like we want to include everyone now. And so they still do? Oh, no. We included everyone. Oh, everyone got a title. Everyone got one. Oh, so for us, only like 30 people got it. Oh, no. Everyone got it. I think I worked with someone to make it for every single person. Oh, that is a lot. But that's probably nice, right? Yeah, it was fun. And you would double check it with everyone. Yeah.
You know, make sure there was no surprises. That makes sense. I also wanted to ask, do kids still grind at dances? You know, I went to a really progressive high school. So like we weren't having like dances like that.
You know what I mean? I had like 60 kids in my grade. Oh, small. It was really small. And there was nothing like that. We were just texting about it the other day. Like, I miss a grind. I miss a grind too. Yeah. My social anxiety could never. I know. It's a lot. I mean, it was crazy when you think about it. Oh my God. I have actual full body chills thinking of me doing that. Imagine standing there, Jake, as like a 13-year-old girl. And then someone just comes up from behind you and just starts like rubbing. You just got to rub. Essentially dry humping you. And you're like 12. And you're like. Is it like life changing? Yeah. It is at the time.
Yeah. It's at the time. Like you go home when you're like best night ever. You feel like you are thinking about it all night. Well, before you're practicing on a wall, you know. Oh, really? Oh, yeah. You're practicing on every wall you can find. You can't just go in blind. You have to practice your grind. It's basically just like back and forth. You can sometimes dip it low. Yeah. Oh, wow. Wow. We'll get you grinding before the vlog. We'll get you grinding. I really don't. Oh, my God. Shivers. I can't. I can't.
Oh my God. Okay. So high school, I just had to ask. So she, so our girl applies to just one college because she's feeling confident.
And she applies to Bennington College and gets rejected because of her math scores were so low. Thank God she has something. Which, who amongst us? I know. We're not math. We're not. Also, like, how hard was it to get denied from college back then, huh? Yeah, that's... I might wonder if it's... Because it's hard now. It's impossible now. Oh, my God. And she was, like, a woman. I'm sure they were only accepting, like, a certain amount of people. I don't know. That's crazy. Oh, no. I'm thinking it was, like, easier. Oh, it was easier. Well, yeah. She was so rich and... Yeah. And in. And in, yeah. That's true. Yeah.
So she's like, okay, if I can't get into college, you know what I'm going to do? I'm going to pursue being an actress. And her father was particularly displeased with her decision as he viewed acting as, quote, a slim cut above Streetwalker. Well, so interesting because her uncle was an actor, so there was tension there. Exactly. And like, why can't she do it if your brother does it?
Wow. So interesting. So different job titles are perceived. Yeah, it's in a different generation, different generation. Yeah, that's true. But then he was fine with her modeling, which is interesting. It's like you're hot, like you're hot, but like don't like say lines. Yeah, right, right.
So, in 1947, Grace signed with the Walter Thornton Modeling Agency, and she just graced the cover of a bunch of magazines. And people were like, you're gorgeous. During this time, she had a very brief engagement to this guy named Oleg Cassini, who was a Russian fashion designer, 16 years her senior, which didn't go well and didn't last long. Hard, I mean...
Then he was like 18 and almost 40. Oh, gross. Oh, that's a really gross age. Yeah. No, it's just those things. It's hard to last. Yeah. But she was still like, you know what? I really want to be a college girly. So she actually gets into the American Academy of Dramatic Arts because of her uncle. Yeah.
Yes. Yes, we love it. It all comes back. Exactly. I love. They literally were like. Yes, Neppo Queen. Exactly. You work that system. Yes. You work it. They literally had already met their semester's quota, but they were like, she is so pretty. She's so pretty. We don't have anyone else hot in the group. She probably had like amazing star quality in person too. You probably met her and you were probably like, oh.
Ugh. Yes. Like, you know what I mean? I know. And there's really only, like, few and far between celebrities now that I think have that, like, 100% star power. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, where you're just, like, I would feel, like, shooketh. Right. Like, you feel, like, the air becomes thick when you're in the room. Yeah. Yes. Like, there's so many people that are like, oh, my God, like, I can't. I'm starstruck. But then it's just, like, this is a very special, special. That's what Taylor Swift has. Yeah. That's what Taylor Swift has. And you're just born with it. Like, you can't teach it. No, of course. Of course. And you can feel it through the fucking screen. And we feel it now. Mm-hmm.
So lucky enough, she's in college and then she just immediately gets into Broadway. Oh, I love her. God, we love her so much. Her graduation performance was Tracy Lord in a Philadelphia story. And people were like, you know what?
You're going places. A Philly girl in a Philadelphia story. Yeah, you're doing things. So she really started her career post-grad. Yes. In college, she was doing plays and, like, getting a little bit of notoriety. And then she graduates. And then all of a sudden, she is, like, in theater. And, like, especially for this time, too. Like, theater was just so much bigger than it is now. Yeah. Or sometimes I even have to remember, like, looking at all these plays that she did. I was like, oh, that's impressive. But, like, it was hard to get those kind of roles. Right.
So she graduates from college and her father insists on her living at this place called Barbizon Hotel for Women. Oh, that sounds like really weird. Is Barbizon like the modeling agency? Was it like an agency? No, this sounds like an institution of sorts. It kind of does. And just like wait for some of the details. It seems a little haunting. I said that the three of us should write a show called The Babes of Barbizon. Oh, love that idea.
I love that. Wouldn't that be fun? I like that we're pitching right now. Yeah, we're pitching. We're working. So it was a hotel for women which consisted of mostly residential apartments. Okay. 23 stories, really grand and chic. Like a nice apartment. I think it was for like rich. So it's sounding safe and fun. Safe and fun, but also there's always something a little haunting when it's like
I don't know. I get what you mean. Haunting and rich. Oh, yeah. I'm just like, who was there? And like, it does feel like very much like all these like rich women's dads were like, we want to keep you safe. So you stay in this hotel. Right. I see. Oh, OK. But she signs with John Robert Powers Agency and she starts modeling for bug spray and cigarettes. Oh, wow. Don't get those two too close. Like the cigarettes of it all. Yeah.
I love that for her. We love that. Her fellow residents there reportedly said that she was fond of dancing to Hawaiian music, mostly topless throughout the hallways, which
Which kind of shocked me in a way. I think she liked a little... But that makes her even cooler. Yeah, she was like the OG it girl. Yeah, she puts on this I'm an East Coast little preppy. And then I think she gets down with it. You know what she was? She was a lady in the streets and a freak in the sheets probably. You can say that, Claire. Wait, I'm really enjoying this so far. I feel like it's a bedtime story. It is.
Love that. We should start saying that. Yeah. It was just like a bedtime story. So she later wrote that she had like the best years of her life at this hotel. It's like really where she bonded with a lot of women. Kind of like became a woman. Got her confidence. It sounds like a college dorm. Yes. And it sounds fucking amazing. Exactly. We all know. Everything I said about what is it? The Hotel of Babylon? I take back. Exactly.
It sounds amazing. We want to go there. I want to go to there. So she's now full-fledged theater. People know her as a theater girly. She's in plays that include The Mirror of Delusion.
which I said sounds relatable. The Father, the Rockingham tea set, the list goes on and on. She's mentioned in Theater World magazine as one of the most promising personalities of the Broadway stage of the 1950s. Good for her. Good for her. Succeeding. Succeeding. And then we get a call from 20th Century Fox. Yay! I know. It always comes with a moment. Her moment has come. Her moment has come and it's this guy named Henry Hathaway and he's like, I'm going to put you in a film. And that
And that film's going to be called 14 Hours, which don't know of it, but apparently it was this really dramatic film.
film and she portrays this woman who's contemplating divorce and people are like oh you're a serious actress she can do drama she can do drama which like you know yeah not easy no not easy not easy to do um paul douglas is one of the actors that worked with her on the 14 hours and he says in two senses she did not have a bad side you could film her from any angle and she was one of the most untemperamental cooperative people in the entire business
So she's sweet to her cast and crew. Which also, not, you know, rare. Oh, she sounds really fun to be friends with. Yeah, she does. She sounds like just one of those... And then you get to go around town being like, oh, and then like Grace. Yeah, sorry, my friend Grace. And they'd be like, Kelly? It's like, yeah. Yeah, of course. Like, what other one is there? Exactly. We love a name drop. We do. We do. Love.
So this is when the Grace Kelly Fan Club was established. And there were local chapters throughout the country. What year is this? This is in like 1950. Like in the 1950s? Late 1950s. Okay, so this is post-Elvis.
Because I'm wondering, like, is this where Stan culture comes from? Stan culture definitely comes from Elvis. We have an Elvis episode. The girlies are crazy. Right. But, like, we need them. But that's where Stan culture comes from, right? And now it's, like, made its way to Grace Kelly. Well, it's funny because it's, like, I was reading this being, like, oh, my God, local chapters are springing up. And I was, like, that is so weird. And then I'm, like, we are all. Yeah, we do that. We are Swifties. Like, we are in that chapter. We are in the L.A. chapter of. You guys. Before? Before.
Like, everything happened. Like, I just haven't had the time recently. I used to go to Taylor Swift-themed bar nights. I've been to four. Where? That sounds really fun. This place called Club 90s would put them on. Oh, fun. They were some of the best nights of my life. I would black out. Oh, I love her. Like, no, like... You know, yeah. Like, me and my friends, that was, like... I didn't really go out post-grad. I just...
It was like that post-college depression. These parties aren't fun. Why am I doing it? I'm in the same city doing the same thing, but without college. Like, this isn't fun. And the only things I would go to were the Taylor Swift-themed bar nights. Oh, so she really got you through it. Yeah. And those were the only things I would go to, and we would have so much fun. That does sound so fun. That must be interesting, going to college in the same place that then you stay after. Because you must feel a little, like, dead inside. You feel dead. Like, I remember the night I graduated.
Here's the thing, though. I was already working full time and I loved my job more than anything in the entire world. Yeah. Like if everything ended and I went back to that today, I'd still be happy because I loved it so much. Aw. Yeah. That is a great feeling. But I remember the night of graduation. I'm feeling this like, oh, fuck.
College is over. The pit in the stomach is so real. And then you're still in LA, but you're not in college. And like, USC's in the city already. So like, you've been in the city, but you've just been kind of living in fairytale, like, college. Yeah.
And, yeah, I just didn't go out, really. I was like, what's the point? What am I doing? I get it. And you're like, I'm not a woman. What's the? I'm not a girl. I'm not a girl. Not yet a woman. Yeah, it was a weird time. And the only things I would really go to were that. Oh, Taylor, you get us through so much. So true. You're getting us through stuff right now. I mean, truly. So this is what happens. So people are like, okay, you're a good actress. And then we have a lot of male directors that are like,
know like can she even act or is she just a pretty face which we have seen this in stories that we have done before of just like then these actresses getting really nervous of like I need to tune in on the craft like am I going to be taken seriously so she goes back to New York just to take acting classes so that she can be taken seriously she gets a little better I love Grace amazing motivated angel and then we have 20th Century Fox director John Ford discovers her and he's like you know what
I'm going to get you a contract. So it's like at first it was a movie. Now she has a seven-year contract of $850 a week, which today would be $10,000 a week. That's it? I mean, I know the dollar was different. Yeah, that's it. I mean, for how big she was?
What's 10,000 times 12? A million point two? Oh. Is that a year? And also, like, that might sound confusing. Oh, a week. It's 10,000 a week? 10,000 a week. So it's 40,000 a month. What's 40 times 12? About 500,000? Okay, I know that's actually, like, a lot of money, but I just think of, like,
a mega movie star. Well, think about like... It's only $480,000. No. That's so much money, but for a mega A-list movie star? For someone that should be making like at least $20 million a year. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know? Different time. Yeah, different time, but I'd be like, for seven years to like... And that contract needs to be... You need to up that shit every year. Yeah, right. And the thing is, it's like a seven-year contract can either be really exciting or like really debilitating for your career because you want to go do other things. Think of the Gossip Girl cast. Yeah, exactly. Wait, what are you...
They were just like, they couldn't go do other projects. Like if you get on a huge show like that, they're like, you're in it with us. And then they got miserable. And if you kind of look at like, did you watch Gossip Girl? Yeah, of course. Wait, did you guys do an episode about Gossip Girl? No, but we should. Because this is fascinating. Well, at the end of like the last season, they all are kind of like, I've seen theories like they don't really care about like being good actors anymore because they're so over it and they also don't want to do it anymore. Right. Yeah. And so they're just kind of like dead inside once again. Yeah. Yeah.
And Blake Lively was getting so many offers. I can't even imagine. I know. Blake Lively is like also Grace Kelly vibes. We're just like so beautiful. She does actually kind of look like her. And Leighton Meester's having a moment again. Have you seen her new campaign? No. Eddie Parker? Wait. It's so good. She looks
So stunning. Well, it's so amazing that I don't watch the OC, but her date married to Adam Brody is so by Kismet. I know, it is cute. It's just early 2000s. Just joy. So with this contract, Kelly signed the deal under two conditions. First, that one out of every two years she had time to work in the theater. Oh, she loves the theater. One night in every two years? I know, I was like, this contract actually sucks. Is that correct? One night? She's like, let me go back to the stage. She's like, once.
One night, one night only. Yeah. In two years. Yeah. That one out of every two years. Maybe she could do it. Why even put that in at that point? No, I know. She needs a lawyer to look over this. Oh my God. And her second request was that she'd be able to live in both New York City and reside in the Pacific Palisades. Oh, Pacific Palisades. I like, she knows what's important. Oh, she's everything. Oh God, I know. Yeah.
And then our... Never mind, continue. No, just continue. It wasn't funny and I'm really grateful I stopped myself before it came out. Just please.
Wow. Love that moment. So then Grace is really becoming like a serious film actress. She gets cast in Mogambo. Mogambo? Do you know what that is? I feel like all of us are just like blinking or blinking at you being like, yeah, sure. Are these like indies for the time? Yeah. Well, this was with Clark Gable. Oh, hi. Okay, because I'm realizing I don't really know movies from that time unless it's like Gone with the Wind. Yeah. The only actually movie, so she's in a bunch, she's a Hitchcock girly. Hitchcock is obsessed with her and he's like, you are my muse. And she's like,
He puts her in Rear Window, Dial M for Murder, To Catch a Thief, The Country Girl. The only one I have seen out of this is Rear Window, which is actually a really good movie. I think it's so cool that she does Hitchcock because Hitchcock is like horror and it's like not what you would think this like
buttoned up rich girl would do. It makes her so much cooler. Rear window. I could be wrong, but I think she plays a woman that is blind. There's a murder across her building in New York and she has to... It's a great film. She's got range. Yeah, she's got range and she wins Best Actress at the Oscars! Yay!
In 1954 to the country girl, her Oscar acceptance speech, she says, the thrill of this moment keeps me from saying what I really feel. I can only say with all my heart to all who made this possible for me, thank you. Oh, my God. Fucking poised queen. Yeah, it's short. You know who lost that year was Judy Garland in The Star is Born. They were up against each other. Oh, wow. Have you seen the original Star is Born? No. Of course. How many times?
You know, only once. Oh, okay. Sometimes you just need one time. I remember, though. That was such a moment when that movie came out and The Shallow. Everyone was singing The Shallows. That was, like, such a good... When a movie comes out with a really good movie soundtrack, it creates such a moment. The soundtrack was... I feel like Bradley Cooper hasn't, like, gotten it since that movie almost. He's been looking for it, though. He's been looking. He has been looking. Yeah, but he's with Juju now, so who knew? He might not need to do... He's found. Not even too much. Yeah.
Okay, so let's talk some princess shit. Okay, yes. Yeah, let's get into it. So, April 1955. Grace heads to, it's Cannes Film Festival, right? Yeah. Or is it Cannes? I think, oh, Cannes. It's Cannes. Cannes. Yeah. Cannes, Cannes, Cannes.
I've literally, I've never known. Me either. It's Khan. Okay. Say what you want. She heads to Khan Film Festival. And she's invited to participate in this photo with Prince Rainier III of Monica. Oh, good. Shout out to our girl Marta, one of our friends is from and lives in Monica. She lives in Monica right now. Oh, she's so she. Oh, you would die. I have no idea. She is Grace Kelly. Yeah, she is. I'm going to go visit her this summer. Can't wait. March of this episode is dedicated to you. Yeah, truly. So she meets the prince. Yeah.
And he's like, hey, would you like a tour of the palace? And she goes, I've already seen it. Which is just like hot. So hot. Yeah. She was like, I've already seen it. She's like, I'm not going to just pretend that I'm obsessed with you because everyone else is. And then he's like, well, do you want to walk through the gardens? And she was like, I'll walk through the gardens with you. Oh, really? Yeah. That's it.
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I know. And then apparently there was this like immediate change in the atmosphere and the prince and Grace were just like flirting and like blushing. And people were like, he has never worked his charismatic charm as much as like when he saw Grace Kelly. I have butterflies. I know. It is pretty cute. So Grace leaves. She goes back to the States. But they continue to correspond secretly over love letters. Ah.
Can you imagine? Oh, I guess the telephone. I know. Could you? Okay. I mean, can you imagine like... Yeah, say it. Can you use the telephone at this time? My question is, can you do international calls during that time? I feel like... How are they reaching across oceans? That's such a good question. That's a great point. Was it like how the Titanic like corresponded? Oh, in like Braille? Or not Braille? Morse code Braille. You know, Morse code like...
Yeah. But I don't know. That's like an email. It's not for hearing. I'm like, how do I? The Braille is, we have to move on. Guys, fuck, we gotta move on. Actually,
We have to move on. Dangerous territory. I'm dying. Because I also don't know what either of those. Guys, let us know what all of this is. I know what Braille is. It's long distance. I know what Braille is. We know what Braille is. We don't know really what Morse code is. And let us know if we could do long distance calls back then. Yeah, no, I think they were just corresponding over, can you imagine the anxiety over like waiting for that letter? Because it probably takes like two weeks or something. Transparently, I'd kill myself. Yeah.
I would kill myself. I would. I can't even wait five minutes for a text back. You think I'm waiting two weeks for a fucking letter? I'd be like, has he moved on? Has he hooked up with someone else? God, just constantly. Oh, I would just like be like, what am I going to get the next letter? Yeah. I'd be, yeah, the obsession. And has he gotten my letter? Exactly. Like what if it was lost in the mail? Also, the year is what? 1950. Who the fuck are you calling to check the tracking number? Yes. There's no one. None of that. Just shopping hard. How do you have faith that it gets there? There's no, there's one. There's all you have though. But God.
God, mailman, we're really good back then. You have love, you know, to get you through it. So there are some rumors that it was not as lovey-dovey as we might think. There are rumors that the prince did this to save Monaco's tourism. Stop. Well, it worked. Yeah, sure. Look at us now talking about Monaco. Both of these things can't be true. Are you happy? And that he originally, like his first pick was Marilyn Monroe. And then she denied him.
These are just rumors. Okay, so Marilyn Monroe, Judy Garland, and Grace Kelly were all existing at the same time. Yeah, powerful, right? Okay, so that's like the OG, like, Naomi, Giselle. Oh my God, yes. I'm like, who else was around right now? And that, like, today is like, I don't know. I mean, just like, Kendall. Icon.
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Sorry, I spoke too soon. Oh. Okay, so the wedding. Yeah. So he proposes to her. He proposes to her, I think, in a letter. And she's like, I'm down. She's like, sure. She just catches a fly. What was the ring, I wonder? Oh, that's a great question. Oh, wait, Jake, Jake. Tash just got engaged. You did? Yeah, I did. Oh. I know. I know.
Rami's we haven't even talked about Tuscan engage we will oh yeah we're gonna talk about it on premium premium subscription I love it oh my god I love it it's like exactly what I wanted I just wanted like it's a dream ring a just sparkly it's so sparkly sometimes I just like put it in the light so when you have an engagement ring do you fall asleep with it on yes she falls asleep like that
Yes. When you like fell asleep with it for the first night ever, were you just like, I'm so happy. I would like keep opening my phone going like this. I could not sleep. I just kept like waking up being like, what's on my finger? It's like I went to the bathroom at 3 a.m. Just like look at it like in fluorescent light. Where did you get engaged? At my house.
Yep. With your dog? With my dog. It was like a rainy Saturday, and he did like a whole gorgeous little montage video of us, and I was completely surprised, and he tricked me, and it was just so sweet. It was gorgeous. I got the text after being violently hungover and just bought the edible. Did you know that was happening? I knew he had the ring, but I woke up, and I was like so hungover, and so I took an edible. I was like, we're going to cruise through the day, and then I look at my phone. By the way, there's no feeling like that.
like that. Oh, you have to. You have to. I look at my phone and it's kind of all being like today's the day. It was very fun. I don't know what her ring looks like. I'm sure it was like Grace Kelly. Oh, it seems to be something like this. Oh, it's big. Oh, wait. No, that's like a modern. Maybe they're reimagining it. It's an emerald cut. It looks like an emerald cut. I see that. I just pulled that out of my ass, by the way. Oh, actually, I think it's that. Yeah. Oh, that's that is an emerald. It kind of looks like Kyle Richards engagement ring. Yes, totally. Totally. Um,
So this story, like their love, it's very, do you follow Meghan and Harry? Like are you a royals person? I keep up. Okay. It's reminding me a lot of that. Okay. Kind of like suddenly. So the wedding is just this huge, huge thing. And immediately they're like, you do know that you have to give up. You have to give up your acting career. Just like Meghan had to. But she like loves acting too. She doesn't give up, does she? No.
No. This is the saddest part of the story is that she's not allowed to act anymore. But that's what she loves. I know. She loves so much. I know. And it's like, for what? What's his name? Prince what? Prince Rainier. What do you think was pushing her to do this? Did she want to do this? The firm. To get married. Wow. The firm. The firm. Like, yeah.
was like, did she, I think it was just like, maybe she was truly in love with him. I think that would be the only thing. He seems like kind of an asshole. Well, yeah, just wait. Oh God. So also what she had to do, she had to give up acting and then the actress was asked to pay a staggering two million dowry prior to the wedding. Wait, she had to pay? She had to pay. For breaking her contract? I don't get, Monaco? Yes. Wait, what, what, what? To like, to like the prince and his family.
his family. Why does she have to pay? I don't understand that. That's, well, a dowry is like, I'm paying you to take my daughter and like, I'm, this is, yes. He will be like, and this will like cover the expenses. I know. We have come so far but we have so far to go. Marriage is crazy. I mean like, the foundation of it is like, all very like, transactional, you know? And like, oh, if you take my daughter, like you have to pay us a little bit because then we're going to be taking care of her so this is almost like an investment. Exactly. That's like a real thing. Yes. That's how it wasn't like,
Even the 50s. That is deranged. Deranged. And in a lot of cultures, they still do that today. No, they don't. Yeah. I think they still do it in India. Crazy. What? Crazy. Dowry? Mm-hmm. Dowry. Dowry? Which we never heard the word. I know. I'm so sorry to tell you guys. My God. Their son, Prince Albert, later told People Magazine in an interview, it was such an incredible affair and the wedding left a mark on so many people. It was such an incredible
celebrations began when Grace traveled from New York to Monaco along with 50 family members. Yeah, she should. Yeah. Bitch, if she's paying fucking $2 million to get married, every single person I know is coming. Call it out. Call it out. And six bridesmaids, which is like a classy number of bridesmaids, you know? Oh, she's like so ready to get married. I feel it. Like she's like, who's Grace's bridesmaid? Like Grace is getting married to the Prince of Monaco. Like everyone, like,
It's the party of the year. Yeah, that is true. I do want to believe that she was like, I am so in love that this is all going to be worth it. It was a televised event and it was watched by 30 million viewers on television. That's crazy at that time. That's a lot. That's a lot. That's 30 million people actually sitting down to watch. How many people watched William and Kate get married? Oh my God. A lot. Or Princess Diana? Oh my God. What, like 100 million? I think so. I mean, that was like...
I mean, that wedding was crazy. Yeah. I remember watching Will and Kate get married. Oh, same. I was hungover and it was in the morning with all my friends and we were drinking mimosas in bed. I was in, I want to say like fifth grade or fourth grade. Just like, hi. And my teacher put it on.
We all watch it. Oh, that's so cute. She's probably like, I need this too. It was truly. I mean, both weddings and Meghan and Harry's too was just like. I just love a royal wedding. Me too. Stunning. They're all so nice. Because it seems like they're all so happy. Yeah. It's also just like, okay, everyone's watching it. Yes. And I love when everyone's on the same page. Like the Olympics. I know. It's nice to have things in life that just feel like very communal. That's what Taylor Swift albums
feeling. That's what Taylor Swift feels like. That's what the eclipse felt like last week. I love communal shit like that. Me too. Yeah, because it's like we just need it. Yeah, thank you, Grace. Thank you, Grace, for that. Yeah. So she's a princess. She's married. She's immediately depressed and homesick. Oh. Like right after the wedding, she has that come down and she's like, why did I
Why did I do that? When all her friends went home. Yes, can you imagine that feeling? And then you're stuck in this palace. In fucking Monaco. Yeah. It's so far. So far. The prince once remarked, you know, it would have been better if she had spent more time here in Monaco with her parents before we got married. Looking back, I was also completely too... I was probably too impatient with her that she should just fit in right away and feel at ease. I'm sure you were. Oh, my heart's breaking for her. She's miserable. Yeah. She's miserable. And then...
Prince is immediately unfaithful to her right after the game. Okay, he's been unfaithful the entire time. Three mistresses within two months of marriage. Oh my God. He's not a good person. Oh, he's bad news. Bad news. Does she divorce? Sorry, I'm cutting around. Oh my God, no, no, no. Ask all the questions. She does not get divorced. No.
No grace ever. I feel like he was like, you can't leave me. I think it's like what we see with all of the princesses that come from, you know, they're like, what do I, I don't know the rules. Am I trapped? No one's on her side. Where's she going? Where's she going after this? You know? I know. She's now like left Hollywood. Also, she's like getting older and people in Hollywood are also like, oh, you're not like that hot little thing you used to be. How old is she at this point? I think this is, I think now she's like in her late 20s. Okay.
She's washed up. But at that time, you can now play a mom. I thought you were about to say late 30s or something. No, no. God, she should just go get some of her own, though. I know. I hope that she did have some, like, if your husband's out doing that, then, like, the same day marriage is gone, babe. Go have fun. Ain't that the truth? I feel bad for her.
I feel very bad for her too. And then she's in Monaco and she's like, you know what? I thought I was famous in the States. I'm now here and I have zero privacy. Like people know me as an actress, but now I'm also a princess. And she's like, all I want to do is just be alone with my husband and live in that like post-marital bliss. And I could not get that because he never paid attention or hung out with me. Because he has three other ways. So how miserable is she?
I put in my notes, she's very unhappy. Can't you like fly out a friend? Yeah, seriously. Oh my God, truly just like live with someone for the summer. Someone, yeah. Go to like a house in the south of France or something. Yeah, just like enjoy the good parts. I know, but they get pregnant. Oh.
Three times because they think that, you know, she's just like, this is what we have to do. Well, at least she has a child now. Yeah, that's true. Some purpose. She has happiness through her children. She gives birth to the couple's first child, Princess Caroline. Such a show. I know. Very pretty. And then their second child was the heir to the throne, Prince Albert. Is a Prince Albert a penis piercing? Yeah. I think it is. Oh, that's what, what? That's what they call penis piercing? Prince Albert? Right? Because I was like, is that? I thought the same thing. I think it is. I think it is.
Like in How to Lose a Guy in 10 Days, right? Why does that stand for? Why do they call it that? Well, maybe. I don't know. Did he start? I'm also wondering now, too. We'll find out. Yeah, Rami's Let Us Now. Do your homework. And then their youngest, Princess Stephanie. Also chic. That's all chic. All very chic. So she can't act, but she's doing a bunch of charity work. So that's kind of like towards the end of her life.
which will be soon. What? I know. I'm sorry. It does end on a... The beginning was so nice. I know. Oh, this is really sad. Yeah. So, you know, she's doing a bunch of charity stuff. She's founding all these, like, she's for the arts and for children and she's, like, really dedicating. Oh, she's Princess Diana. She's Princess Diana. Oh, my God. And she's really passionate about it, too. Until...
The accident. Oh, I know. I know. I'm so sorry. There's no, this is going to be a tough, tough transition. Oh, it's putting the second tape of Titanic in. This is exactly. Oh, I don't even, I know. What accident? So on September 13th, 1982, Grace Kelly and her daughter. 19 what year? 1982. So how old is she at this point? She's in her fifties. When was she born? Thank God. Okay. I thought she was going to die in her early thirties. No, I think she's in her late. I want to say maybe she was 50. Oh, she's 52. Okay. Okay.
Still so young. I know. So she's married for him to him for 20 years. Yes. There was some time that has passed. She's basically just being a mom. Mm-hmm. She's pretty unhappy. And she's doing charity work. And are people still obsessed with her? People are still obsessed with her. I mean, she kind of has that, like, the Princess Diana thing of, like, God, you guys are still, like, what can I do? Like, I'm not acting anymore. You're still just, like... Obsessed. Obsessed with me. Right. Um...
So she was bringing her daughter Stephanie to college in her car one morning. And Grace's chauffeur brought out the princess's 11-year-old rover. He offered to drive. He's like, I usually drive you. And she's like, you know what? I just want to drive her to college. 11-year-old rover. Like Range Rover? Land Rover? Land Rover. Oh, yeah, yeah. One of the rovers. And she insisted to drive. And she was also like, the car can't fit three people. It was like a...
Tiny little car. Okay, okay. Can't fit three people in the car with the luggage. And so about two miles outside of La Turbie, Grace missed a particularly sharp turn, sending the car over an 120-foot slope. With her daughter, too, in the car? Yes. Did her daughter die? No. So...
Stephanie's sister, Princess Caroline, who we mentioned before, said, Stephanie has told me what happened. She said, Mommy kept saying, I can't stop the car. The brakes don't work. I can't stop. She said that Mommy was in complete panic. Stephanie grabbed the handbrake. I pulled on the handbrake, but it just couldn't stop. I tried, but we couldn't stop the car. Oh, okay.
I know. I have like chills. It's just so terrible. Oh God, that makes me so upset. That is so awful for Stephanie. Oh God. I know. So Stephanie was released from the hospital the next day with only minor injuries. How did that happen? Minor injuries. Yeah, from a hundred foot. That's crazy. She was like fine, which we'll get into a couple of conspiracy theories. Oh God. But she was fine and Grace suffered a second hemorrhage likely caused by the accident and never regained consciousness. Oh God. So she died at the age of 52. So young. Oh God.
There's conspiracy theories about this? So there are conspiracy theories. So Stephanie revealed in an interview that Grace had been having a headache right before and seemed to black out for a moment almost. And then the car started to swerve before going full speed ahead over the cliff.
Days later, the doctor who worked with or who tried to treat her was like, if she had been at home and had this happen and she could have rested, if she did have some sort of blackout or hemorrhage, it would have maybe been okay. But the fact that there was so much trauma and...
Oh, God. Oh, so she had a hemorrhage anyway. What is a hemorrhage exactly? I think it's when your brain bleeds out. Okay, cool. So this happened like out of nowhere? I think so. Oh, God. I think so. Don't think about it. So the few little conspiracy theories to unfortunately end the episode that we can just go through quickly is that...
One, people think that Stephanie was actually driving. Oh. But she couldn't say because she didn't have her driver's license. But it would have been such a scandal with the royals. It would have been a scandal, I guess. But I'm also like, guys, just have an honest story. Why does that even matter? Okay, so people think that she was driving. People think that she was driving. Conspiracy theory number two, or more like unanswered questions that people are like, this doesn't really match up, is this brake thing. Like,
her Stephanie saying like, we tried to pull the handbrake. It wasn't working. British Leyland, the manufacturer of the Rover P6 3500, which is the type of car, no idea what that looks like, gave an official statement that this particular car had been fitted with a dual brake system that is literally fail safe. So if the brakes didn't fail, then why was the car accelerating down the mountain? Well, they also said that the Titanic was on
unsinkable shit and there it is Claire thank you for bringing it there things just happen you know thank you for bringing it there that's all pretty tough thank you I know oh my god some think that they were Stephanie and Grace were in a big fight which doesn't really have any evidence to it it just said that there was like a heated argument it might explain the erratic driving oh no it could even explain why whoever was driving may have confused the brake pedal with the accelerator that doesn't
No, that seems like a little bit too much. To me, it honestly just sounds like the brake didn't work. I think so. And like, yeah, this person who makes the cars can't be like, we are certain that every single car. Right. You just don't know. Yeah, and of course they want to say that too. Exactly. Because that's not great for their cars. And then some people think that Grace just had a stroke. Okay. If she blacked out. Which if she did black out, and then like, you know, how can you operate a vehicle? I think your brain does hemorrhage when you have a stroke. I think it does, right? That's like the danger of having one. Yeah, yeah. I don't know.
This isn't a medical podcast. This is not a medical podcast. Thinking about strokes while I'm high is like. Oh, yeah. We're about to get to. Don't think about it again, baby. Don't think about it. We'll end the episode talking about Taylor. Don't worry. Yay! Yay!
We got him back. Just think Swifty. So sadly, the story ends here that on September 18th, 1982, heads of state, celebrities, royals, and close friends and 100 million televised viewers said goodbye to Grace Kelly, the Hollywood icon, the legendary Princess Grace. The final resting place of her Serene Highness is the same cathedral in which she had her fairy tale wedding to Prince Renier in 1956. That doesn't feel right, though.
I know. I'm like, he doesn't deserve that. Get her buried on Broadway. Buried on Broadway. Yes. Wow.
And just a quote from Grace. Just to feel her presence again because I know she feels very far away right now. I would like to be remembered as someone who accomplished useful deeds and who was a kind and loving person. I would like to leave the memory of a human being with the correct attitude and who just did her best to help others. And that she did. She did. And that's Grace Kelly. Wow. Well done, Tess. Well done. What a gorgeous angel, isn't she? Yeah, she's amazing. I could tell anyone anything about her now.
her now. Exactly. Rattle it off. So yeah, that's really it. I mean, I just think it was, you know, she just had such a great first half of her life and it is sad when you think that these women are going to be so happy in the second princess fairy tale and it's just never like that. It's never like that. Aren't fairy tales notoriously gruesome though? The idea of a fairy tale in general. Yeah, you're so right. Wow.
Wow. So, yeah, anything else we need to say about Taylor? Anything we need to bring up the spirits? I'm just excited to listen to her after this. Yeah, I think it's a good place to be. I know. Listen to it alone. Yeah, I'm excited. And let us know what things come up for you. Well, Jake, before we let you go, we do ask the same question to all of our guests. Okay. If you could smoke a joint with anyone dead or alive in history, who would it be? I mean, I feel like I know what your answer is going to be. I know. I'm like, is it?
Like, yes, Taylor. But I want to, like, give you, like, a more. No, I know. You answer. Probably, like, Amy Winehouse. Oh, that's a great answer. I love Amy Winehouse. Me too. Did you watch her new movie? Or is that out yet? No, I watched her documentary, though. Her documentary is phenomenal. I need to see that. It's heartbreaking. I have not seen the new movie. Yeah, I saw it with my mom once. I want to see the new movie.
I don't know if I need to see that. I really love, I'm very like protective over like what, like, like I think she is like the most talented artist we've seen in our lifetime. Like she, unreal, obviously besides like Taylor Swift, Beyonce, Amy Winehouse is in a different league of her own. Like it's like my mom, I always tell this story. The first time she ever heard Amy Winehouse on the radio, she pulled over to the side of the road, like found a lipstick liner in her bag and wrote her name down on like a
pad or a piece of like a notepad or something and like because like that's like Amy was like
really something. You heard her and you were like, who is this? I feel like her soul has been around the block a few times. Yes, agreed. Oh my god, such a good answer. That is a great answer. And Jake, where can everyone find you? What's going on? Plug all the things. You can find me on Instagram at PassThatPuss, on TikTok, OctopusLover8 with two S's, and on YouTube, I think it's OctopusLover8, but I have my, and then you can find my podcast, Therapuss.
on all platforms you stream podcasts at. Love it. So good. And everything is in the show notes too, Rami. So check that out. Yes. Thank you guys so much for listening again. Thank you, Jake, for coming on. Thanks for having me. This was so fun. So much fun. And yeah, Rami's, we'll see you next week. Yay. Bye. Bye. Bye.