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The cabin lights dim and the low mechanical hum of the engine feels too loud, too close as you grip the worn away armrests. The seatbelt digs into your waist, your heart racing, pulse thudding in your ears.

Every movement around you is amplified. The overhead bins knocking around, the flight attendants forced smiles, the man in the aisle seat shifting around nervously. You notice another man across the aisle who shifts in his seat muttering under his breath. His eyes keep darting to the front of the plane where the flight attendants are busy with their cards. Every few minutes he checks his watch, fidgeting more with each glance.

Your heart pounds harder, the nagging feeling born in your gut growing stronger with every racing anxious thought your mind can conjure. Something's not right, you know it.

You feel it in the pit of your stomach like a lead weight. The plane suddenly jolts forward. Your heart feels near to cardiac arrest until the voice of the captain declares a safe landing. You look outside the window to see you're taxiing off the runway. The seatbelt sign dings off, the passengers stir, stretching and chatting as if everything is fine. It's not until you walk off the plane that you see the crowd gathered around the TVs in the terminal. Every screen shows the same image. The World Trade Center.

with fire tearing through the sky. The headline reads, "Plane crashes into World Trade Center. America under attack." You weren't on that plane. You didn't survive the disaster. You were just late to it. But you're not late to the Red Thread. You're always just on time. That's the charm of Red Thread. Whenever you show up, it's the right time. I'm Jackson, one of the main hosts here over at Red Thread. Joined with me are Caleb and Isaiah. How are you guys doing?

I'm pretty good. Oh, hold on. I want to ask a question about that. So you were just on a plane, right?

At the same time that the World Trade Center attack happened. Yeah, well, okay. Well, first of all, 9-11, there were many planes in the sky at the time. It wasn't just those four planes that went up. As there tends to be, right? Yes, yes. So you're just one of those guys and another one. Okay, gotcha, gotcha. I thought, I swear, the entire time you were reading, I thought it was going to end with it being Charlie getting off a plane because he's just afraid of planes. Yeah. Yeah.

There's too many references to Charlie. We've got to move on. Caleb's here. He's going to get jealous. I'm a new guest. Don't you say that. I'm the new guest. He's on that plane flying off into the distance. I'm the new one. I'm the new permanent guest. There are some people who still think that I'm a guest. Yeah, I did see comments. I mean, aren't we all guests? If you think about it. That's true. Yeah.

That's a good point. Anyway, today we're covering the thing. Oh, to answer your question, I'm doing good. I'm very tired after supporting everything. But I'm good. I'm happy. And I'm excited to do this. Excited to talk about 9-11? I'm excited to talk about 9-11, yeah. I saw the topic and I was like, oh yeah. Here we go, right? Some big conspiracies around this one, boys. Some big conspiracies. I'm right up my alley.

Okay, so 9-11. Let's just cut straight to the chase. Were you guys around at that time? Do you guys remember it? Yeah, I remember it. No, I mean, do you remember it happening? Like, were you there? I think I know. Are you? How old are you? 28. Yeah, you're the oldest then. Yeah. All right. Come on, Papa. What was it like on the day?

I was homeschooled. So I didn't, I wasn't, I was at home. And, uh, my, I remember my dad pacing around being like, I want to go join the Marine Corps. He was just like, cause his brother was in the Marine Corps. So, uh, I just remember my dad being really upset and, um, you know,

Just mad. And I don't fucking remember. I remember the next day or the day after the news week, the front page of the news week, some kind of magazine or newspaper or whatever had a picture of the attack on it. And my dad still has that. He framed it? Did he join the Marines? No, he didn't. No, he was a farrier. He was just mad for a little while. Yeah, and then the horses joined the Marines.

Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I don't remember it that much. I remember just my dad being angry and sitting on the couch and just being like, all right, I'm five. I don't remember anything from the day. I know it was a big deal even over here. Like people, obviously, like every news channel across the Western world was just playing that the entire time. But it is a thing that I was just too young for. So I...

I don't have any memories there. Yeah, I was like almost two, I think, if not two. So like, I don't remember. And you remember it vividly. You remember every single beat. I remember watching the towers and being like, I could have stopped this. If I was there, I could have prevented this. As you sit there in your shit and diamonds, I could stop this. I could stop this. Isaiah Wahlberg could have put a stop to it. Wait, what is Wahlberg? What's that a reference to?

Mark Wahlberg non-ironically said that if he was... Oh, I forgot about that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, when Mark Wahlberg said, I'm telling you, if I was on that plane, things would have been different. Yeah. Marky Mark. That's always the headcanon, right? Like, oh, if I was on the plane, I would have made a difference. I would have stopped it.

With Mark Wahlberg, if they were on the plane and they would have been Korean, old Korean men, he would have stood a chance then. What is his full quote about that? He was like, it would have ended with a lot of blood and me telling everyone it's going to be OK. We're going to get home.

oh my god interview that's crazy if i was on that plane with my kids it wouldn't have went down like that did there would have been a lot of blood in that first class cabin and then me saying okay we're gonna land somewhere safely don't worry wow is that what he said that's his exact yeah that's a quote in 2012 too yeah yeah it was a lot closer to why did he mention the first class cabin

He's like gonna remind everyone to be realistic. You think he's gonna be flying economy? You think he's with the peasants? He's no peon. What are you talking about? He wouldn't even notice anything's happening. He's in his little enclosed-in suite in first class. Like, oh, there's some mild turbulence. Weird. And then that's it. And then straight into the fucking tower or whatever happens. Wasn't there a bunch of celebrities that were going to be on a plane but didn't last minute?

Oh, I mean, you hear the story all the time about 9-11 people saying, I was booked on the plane, but then I was late or whatever and missed the plane. There's so many of those stories. And that one guy, that one comedian lied about being in the tower. I feel like it's a big thing people lie about, too, to be honest. It's such a big event that people just want to be a part of it in a weird way. They're parasocially obsessed with 9-11. Yeah.

Yeah. Okay, so 9-11, you guys don't have any memories, that's sad. Neither do I. I guess we were born too late to experience 9-11. But that'll change now because we're going to dive into 9-11, specifically the conspiracy theory surrounding 9-11 because there are plenty that people espouse like, of course, was 9-11 an inside job? Do you guys have any surface level thoughts on that?

surface level thoughts on whether or not 9-11 was an inside job. Have you read the theories? Have you subscribed? Go ahead, Caleb. You first. I'm not sure I subscribed to the theories, to be honest. Wouldn't you say anything is possible with the US government, though? I would say anything is possible and the trail of the trail of

connecting the president to his father, the director of the CIA, which we know is weird. And that the involvement of Saudi Arabia and like a certain commission involving Pearl heart, you know, a claim of Pearl Harbor to go back to the Middle East. Kitty history. And it's just like ours. Yes, yes, exactly. Yes. It seems like there is a lot of, uh,

There's a lot of bizarre links. A lot of fuel for the fire, I would say. At least in terms of like... Yeah, I could see why people mistrust the government. Okay, okay, okay. Just taking them at face value, right? Okay, okay, okay. So there's two things, right? One thing. First thing. Have we confirmed that Jackson's not a Fed? Because I've never been to Australia. I don't know that it's real. Yeah, I don't know that's real. Because Justin and Caleb's like, I don't think I subscribe to anything. And Jackson's like, oh, come on.

You know what I'm saying? Come on. What other anti-American sentiment do you harbor? You know you want to do it, Anand. There's a rifle in the mail. Go make your name famous. I'm tired of myself just constantly being incriminated in these episodes and making enemies of giant three-letter agencies and mob families and stuff. It's one of your guys' turn. You take the risk now. Thank you, Mr. Fed Jackson. So...

I do not... Yes, it was very convenient for a lot of stuff that people in power wanted to have done after it happened. However, my personal opinion before we talk about any of this is...

At that time, the situation in the Middle East was so, so incredibly turbulent. We were constantly fly swatting like attacks that were happening left and right for different reasons, right? There was always a different organization trying to like attack American citizens.

Like forces, not like on the daily or anything like that, but there were several prevented terrorist attacks leading up to 9-11. Yeah, I mean, the Gulf War was literally just like 10 years earlier. Like the entire area was destabilized. Yeah, like the entire area was thrown into chaos. There were attacks against, attempted attacks against the United States. So that kind of thing was happening a lot.

And then one of them just slipped through. It is entirely believable that an agency just did something wrong. My rule of thumb is never mistake for maliciousness what can be explained for with negligence, right? Yeah, 100%. One probably just slipped through the cracks and it managed to happen. The most I am willing to believe, as far as conspiracy goes, is that maybe...

CIA, high up, whatever, had word, like had intelligence that an attack was happening and didn't pass it up the ladder. That's the most I believe. I believe that there was intelligence. And I think this is in the document that we're about to read from. There was intelligence that did pertain to the fact that Al Qaeda was planning something. But yeah, again, like you said, the whole region was so destabilized to this point and there were so many threats to

Not just America, but Western allies and the region itself. It's just impossible to probably quantify all of them and accurately assess every single report. And you tie that in with the government's bureaucracy and stuff like that. And yeah, it's not really up for doubt for me in terms of, like you said, it's probably just explained away by...

Not ineptitude, but just the situation and it being impossible to really, really... You have an entire organization that's hell-bent on attacking America. Not like a war, but literally just attacking us in some way to deliver some kind of blow. Not just one organization, yeah. A bunch.

And it's like an arguably convenient to like the amount of profiteering off of worse. It's like, you know, there is, there is a lot of, there's a lot of, I don't think that it was an inside job at all. Not even a small amount. I don't believe that it was an inside job. Uh, but I also believe that a lot of people got super rich, uh, as a result of our, our, uh, people definitely took advantage of this. That's not a conspiracy, but that doesn't necessarily mean that there was, of course, of course, I don't think it was orchestrated.

Yeah, I agree. I think that's insane. I think it's like the moon landing. I think we actually didn't. I think we went to the moon, but I think the footage is fake. There you go. That's the spirit. Okay, now we're back on track.

I will say, I will say this, that our behavior within the middle East immediately following nine 11 absolutely makes it feel like nine 11 was incredibly advantageous to the powers that be. Like when we cornered, I forget the name of the location, but when we quartered been lot in for two weeks, like three months after nine 11, and then the CIA just let him go. So we could keep stopping around the middle East forever. Uh,

Yeah. I see why people assume there's conspiracy because we act like it. Why? Go ahead. Because of the ziggurat of Ur. Were you not aware that Saddam Hussein was the reincarnation of Nebuchadnezzar and he had a stargate in the ziggurat of Ur? Oh.

Were we not aware of this? I actually did know there was a stargate. I actually know that's why we allowed 9-11 to happen in the first place, so we could reclaim the stargate for our purposes. 1700 BC. Yep. Nebuchadnezzar came back. He was reincarnated and said, we've got to hit these two skyscrapers in New York City.

for some reason. It's the only way the Stargate will open. And then that will open the Stargate. Exactly. Those towers are actually, so those weren't towers, actually. Those were beacons that were interfering with the Stargate signal receptors, right? So you have to take out the beacons so that you can reopen the Stargate. It all makes sense.

Isn't this a far cooler theory than just the government did it? No, but there is legitimately the Stargate theory. I covered it on the conspiracy theory iceberg that there were Stargates found in Iraq and that the reason we went over there was to steal back the Stargates. What about the tomb of Gilgamesh? Oh, which one's that? Is that the one that has the time machine on the front? I feel like that's South America.

The BBC wrote an article a couple years ago about how we found what could potentially be the tomb of Gilgamesh. And Saddam Hussein had it. It's tied in with the whole Stargate. Interesting that Gilgamesh had it. Ancient power. Wasn't Gilgamesh a fictional character? Gilgamesh, well, it's believed. Well, he's from Aftalim. It's the most ancient of all stories. Yeah, the epic of Gilgamesh. Yeah.

They believe that he was not real because it's a story. But at the same time, Troy also wasn't real until they found evidence of it. We're just going to find evidence of Gilgamesh and then the Stargates will appear. Am I getting it right? Yeah, I think so. Those Teskeel towers won't get in the way anymore.

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All right, back in. Let's just go for it, right? Let's start talking about 9-11. The world changed forever on the morning of September 11th, 2001. The day began relatively normally. Millions of people were getting ready and heading to work across America. New York City was buzzing, as it always had before. Unknown to most people, however, four planned attacks were conducted...

I'm sorry. It's not funny, but the phrasing, unknown to most people, that struck me as when a comic book's like, meanwhile... There's a lot of things like that. The Legion of Doom was planning to strike in the 2000s. Meanwhile at the Legion of Doom headquarters, yeah. Yeah.

It's just Al Qaeda at a giant round table. There's like, you know, dark shadows behind them and stuff. They're in a giant airplane made out of a rock. Unknown to most people, however, four plane attacks were conducted by the terrorist organization known as Al Qaeda, resulting in the horrific destruction of multiple skyscrapers and the loss of 2,996 lives with thousands more injured.

The story of 9-11 sent shockwaves through the entire world, with many people questioning how this could have happened to the most powerful nation the world has ever known. How exactly could the military and intelligence agencies have missed this threat? It was, after all, the first major foreign attack on U.S. soil since the Japanese bombing of Pearl Harbor back in World War II.

Since the attacks, and after the dust settled, numerous conspiracy theories have emerged with many believing that the official version of events are entirely false and fabricated.

In fact, in a recent survey, half of all Americans reported that they felt the government was hiding something about that day. Half of, I mean, I get, okay, I get like believing that the government is hiding something about that day. That's probably, that's probably true. There's probably like something out there that they're like hesitant to, you know, put in the report or whatever. Yeah. So I guess that makes sense. Yeah. Yeah. Continue.

So let's jump back 23 years at this point to the moment that arguably changed the world forever to figure out exactly what happened and what the main conspiracies are and if there's any level of validity to them. Was 9-11 an inside job? Can we even say that on YouTube? Are we allowed to say this? I just did. Say what? So we'll find out. 9-11 an inside job? I mean, we're asking a question. We're not saying it was an inside job. Yeah, it was. Is that illegal? To be clear. Right.

Oh no, you have Building 7 on the diagram. Oh no. Here we go. Am I supposed to read this part? It begins.

All right. Let's start with the official narrative first and foremost. You've got to say that with more sass, like it's not true. You've got to go like the official narrative. Let's start with the official narrative first and foremost. The day that everyone would remember forever started pretty normally itself in America. The sun was shining. People were leaving for work.

And within the span of 40 minutes between 7.59 a.m. and 8.40 a.m., four passenger jets would depart from various airports around the eastern part of the country. A Boeing 767 American Airlines Flight 11 departed about 15 minutes late from Logan International Airport at 7.59 a.m. in Boston. On this flight were 92 passengers, including 11 crew members. Unbeknownst to everyone, five hijackers. Oh, my God.

Why? I don't even... I mean, that's not even funny, dude. Five hijackers and you just start laughing? Is it the comic book idea in your head again? I think it's the unbeknownst to everyone. Who's writing this? Who's writing this? What do you mean, what's unbeknownst? Unbeknownst to everyone, five hijackers had also boarded the plane itself, appearing as regular passengers. They were disguised. Um...

Why do they need so many hijackers for each? There were like 19 hijackers in total across four flights. It seems like a lot of hijackers. Well,

Well, you know, at the time the whole idea is you just overpower everyone who could get in the way. So yeah, but security security and uh, you know, like there was no TSA back then. This is what created like TSA and stuff. Yeah. So the fact that like I'm sure they could have just been like two people that smuggled in like weapons or something and they could have pretty easily overwhelmed the flights. Surely it seems like a lot of wasted personnel, but I don't know the hijackers. They're crazy. Whatever.

This is like the most important thing they ever did in their lives. They love this. Yeah, they were zealots for...

Their belief was that they'd be glorified because of this. Yeah, I mean, I guess if it was up to them, they could have the entire plane full of hijackers. Like, all seats occupied by hijackers. 95 hijackers on one plane. And one unlucky passenger. As soon as the plane takes off, they're all just like, alright, well, I guess we go in the cockpit now. One guy, go up to the cockpit, we'll all sit back here and enjoy the service. Hmm. Um...

The hijackers' plan was to forcibly commandeer the aircraft and use it as a makeshift missile, with the collision targets being the World Trade Center buildings in New York City. The American Airlines Flight 11 was planned to target the North Tower of the World Trade Center, while the United Flight 175 was planned to hit the South Tower. Did Delta exist at this point? Because they dodged this shit. Yeah. The airline Delta? Yeah. I think it did. Probably. Delta's pretty old. It was United and American? Yeah. Yeah.

That tracks with American. I hate them deeply. Yeah, I hate American too. I've only had bad experiences on them. Me too. I mean, not 9-11 bad experiences, but bad experiences still. Yeah. And also, another thing to note, this goes along with the theme of Red Thread. Caleb, you won't get this, but all four planes were Boeings. So more reason not to fly a Boeing. What does that tell you? Looking for commonalities between everything? Kind of suspicious. Yeah. I'm so sorry.

Yeah, I get it. I don't like Boeing. Boeing's scary as shit. They got that fucking spaceship up there with a heartbeat in it now. That's not good. It wants to love. It's learned how to feel emotions. The very first sentient robot is a spaceship. That's fucking cool. The Boeing Starliner Isaiah has like some weird, like the beginning of the Alien movie, how there's like the... Yeah.

Yeah. Like repeated frequency thing. It's just the, uh, the astronauts on the space liner are hearing mysterious noises from their instruments that are unexplained at this point. And, and like from an engineering perspective, like a repeated set, a repeated frequency or repeated interference, that's like common. And then it, it, it has like an, an arrhythmia. Uh, that's not good. Yeah. That's not good. That's not normal.

So anyways, the World Trade Center was a massive complex comprised of seven buildings, including the iconic Twin Towers in Lower Manhattan, including the iconic Twin Towers in Lower Manhattan.

It was an iconic part of the New York skyline seen in many movies and was a hub for trade, finance, business, and more. Approximately 50,000 people worked at the World Trade Center complex itself and about 140,000 visitors passing through daily. That is impressive. That's a lot of people. It's a tourist place, right, as well? Well, it was. It was the tallest buildings in New York, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

So people would go up and look around the city. At 8.14 a.m., the hijackers aboard American Airlines Flight 11 made their first move by conducting the hijacking as it was flying over central Massachusetts. Once the hijacking was completed, the plane turned and started to head back towards New York. Only six minutes later, another United Airlines Flight number 77, a Boeing 757, departed from Washington Dulles International Airport with five more hijackers on board.

Their intended target was the Pentagon in Washington, D.C. The flight included 47 passengers, six crew members, and the fourth and final plane, a United Airlines Flight 93, another Boeing 757, left from Newark International Airport with four hijackers on board at 8.42 a.m., after having been delayed by 42 minutes from the scheduled departure time of 8 a.m. Imagine how annoyed you must be on that plane, being delayed for like 45 minutes and finally getting into the sky, and you're a part of 9-11.

yeah you must feel like the unlucky you're right jackson annoyed is the word i would use well that is how i would feel if i was suddenly going to die in a terrorist attack annoyed

That's horrible, dude. At that point, more than annoying. But the 45 minute delay, I'd be very annoyed at that point. At that point, slightly more annoyed. Yeah. And then you get up there and then people start hijacking the plane. I'd be like, fuck. This sucks. Never flying United again. Are we allowed to make this video? I feel like this is not good. Jackson is, apparently. Look, I haven't said anything like that. Jackson's the one making that joke and he's not even American. So direct your hate to that. Okay.

If that's too much, we can cut that. No, no, you can leave whatever you want in. I just want to make sure I had the part. Don't you talk about 9-11, son. You want to talk about why you're going to Iraq? Why would you get a rifle and go over there and fight for something? Yeah, there you go. All right, we're good. Yeah, I understand.

On board Flight 93, there were seven crew members and 29 passengers. It is unknown what the intended target for Flight 93 was. The most likely consensus was that it was going to target the U.S. Capitol Building or the White House as the plane would eventually crash into a field in Pennsylvania after the passengers heroically attempted to retake control of the plane. Have you guys seen that movie? I think it was Flight 93. I think it was a movie called Flight 93 about the retelling of that story. I haven't seen it, no.

yeah i've seen it yeah it's good i don't remember if it's good or not but it is a very heroic story i mean i watched it when i was a kid and i was like wow that was cool so it's good in my mind at least but yeah it's just about the the flight 93 people a lot of those voicemails they left are very heartbreaking i love the idea of just a group of people being like well if we're gonna go down we'll go down fighting uh yeah it's very cool

The next few hours are filled with horrific chaos as all four planes are hijacked. The FIA, the Federal Aviation Administration only received confirmation of the hijackings at 8.52 a.m. when flight attendants aboard United Airlines Flight 175 managed to communicate with the ground to report the hijacking. However, the agency and flight controllers were first made aware of Flight 11's irregular actions at 8.14 a.m.

as Flight 11 failed to respond to air traffic control instructions. After receiving no response to the multiple attempts at communication, the plane's transponder was turned off at 8:20 a.m., making it even more difficult to track the altitude and direction of the flight. Further evidence of the hijacking came at 8:24 a.m., when the hijackers aboard Flight 11 accidentally broadcast a message intended for passengers over the air traffic control frequency. One of the hijackers said, "We have some planes. Just stay quiet and you'll be okay."

Controllers were confused about the message and there was no clear protocol for handling such an unprecedented multi-plane attack at this point in time.

Realistically, most hijackers were expected to negotiate, so while the FAA had a strong suspicion of hijacking, it took some time to fully comprehend the gravity of the situation and respond. Yeah, it literally wasn't in the protocol handbook of like, this is what's happening, here's how to deal with it. So all these agencies trying to communicate with each other, they didn't know how to handle this. None of them did, which is crazy. Especially when it's happening over the span of like

30 minutes and you got to make so many calls and scramble jets and and even just try to figure out what's happening in the first place like kind of doomed to begin with yeah it is insane something like this was absolutely inevitable too i mean like there's no there's no doubt about it it's it doesn't need we don't need an inside job i mean like you guys were saying they could just buy they could have just bought 65 tickets and just filled a whole plane up yep 100 you know

But Flight 11 first crashed into the north face of the World Trade Center North Tower between floors 93 and 99. Reporters of the major news networks immediately began their breaking news segments with footage from helicopters of the crash site being broadcast across the nation. There was only confusion, though, with absolutely no one in the public knowing what had caused the impact. The leading theory at the time that it was a small prop plane that had accidentally impacted the tower.

However, this theory would fairly quickly be dashed as flight 175, just under 20 minutes later, crashed into the south face of the south tower between floors 77 and 85. I'm sure you guys have seen the footage, right? You guys have seen the footage of the actual breaking news broadcast where the commentators just gobsmacked as the plane hits the second tower. Yeah.

It's crazy. There's one footage of a woman who was released a couple years ago. She's recording it from her apartment or something. And they're all just freaking out in their house just watching it from afar. I think they've got the camera on. They see all the smoke billowing out from the first impact. What's going on over there? What the fuck's happening? And then they see the second plane. Well, think about it. People weren't looking. At least most people weren't at the time. So everyone is like...

They have no idea what's happening. Like, did a missile hit the building? Was it a small plane that ran itself into it? Like, is this happening all over the city? Like, no one knows.

Yeah, it was just, the first part was just a confusing, like they might not have even known that something crashed and maybe it's just like a building fire or something. Yeah, maybe the building's on fire or something. But everyone in the city is like at that point, definitely looking at it because it's the World Trade Center on fire. Of course you're looking at it. And then as you're looking at it, another plane just plummets into the second one. At that point, you're like, okay, something, you know, America's under attack. That would be the first thought, obviously. Something is seriously wrong here.

This unbelievable moment was seen live on television across the world. Reporters and the media quite quickly after this point began to correctly report that America was under attack. Sitting President George W. Bush is informed by his chief of staff of this very fact while reading to school children at an elementary school in Florida. I thought

I thought he was learning. I thought he was attending. He was a student, yeah. He was getting ready to pass the third grade test. That joke you just made would have killed on SNL in 2004 or something, right? President Bush was at elementary school. Turns out he was enrolled there. And everyone goes wild. Yeah. I'm sure that joke has existed. Yep.

What support? So immediately after 9-11, I know support for Bush dwindled when the war started, but was there a time of unity between the war starting and the towers collapsing? Oh, yeah.

I think he set a record for approval in like recent eras, uh, post nine 11. I think his, well, yeah, because the entire country went from like, you know, left, right, whatever, which then from my understanding, again, I wasn't grown then, but seems to not be as like bad and constant as it is now. But like everyone went from against each other to an attack happening. And then everyone's like, okay, we're, we're one team. Now we've got them now. Yeah. Yeah.

Yep. It's crazy that it takes something like that to bring Americans together. I literally don't think that would happen in the current day. If 9-11 happened, I don't think that would be enough for the two sides now to stop fighting and bickering. I think it's just like, for us, it's really hard to realize how tragic it was for a lot of people. I mean, it is just so insane. It's just so fucking... And we have tragedies. Daily.

Like on a daily basis, basically. Yeah. So it's like, it's a different thing for sure. I feel like, um, and like, I think society has grown numb to this kind of thing. Yeah, for sure. But then again, we haven't had anything nearly as close as being this bad ever. Nothing ever like this has ever happened. So, um, anyways, yeah.

Famous footage exists of this moment, with George W. Bush electing to remain in the classroom until the students have finished their reading session, with the rationale that he wanted to remain calm as to not scare the children. Or maybe he was just really absorbed in the book. Yeah, he was reading, what's that book about those two frog friends, Frog and Toad? Yeah. All right, we're on chapter seven now. I love this part.

I love the toad. He's awesome. I see myself in him. He's just swatting away his aides who are trying to desperately get him out of the room to coordinate the effort. He's like, no, no, no. I need to find out how this ends.

I'm from Texas. Anyways, just over half an hour later at 937 a.m., Flight 77 crashed into western side of the Pentagon with the crash causing a major fire. Meanwhile, the last aircraft, Flight 93, crashed in Somerset County, Pennsylvania, with the hijackers being unable to retain control of the plane as the passengers valiantly fought back, as previously discussed. Let's go, baby.

USA. USA. USA. Yeah. Yep. Start tweeting about 9-11. I just like forget all conspiracy stuff. Just like USA. USA. We gotta invade the Middle East again. We gotta go back. We missed it. We missed it. We gotta go.

Anyways, at 9.42 a.m., the FAA ordered a nationwide ground stop banning all civilian aircraft from taking off and grounding those already in the air. Then at 9.59 a.m., the unthinkable happened. The South Tower of the World Trade Center collapses after burning for 56 minutes, blanketing New York City in a thick cloud of ash and concrete. This collapse kills hundreds of civilians and first responders inside and around the building.

29 minutes later, at 10.28 a.m., the same fate befalls the North Tower as it too collapses. One hour and 42 minutes after being struck by Flight 11. The debris and falling pieces of the tower cause structural damage to World Trade Center Building 7 as well, and it too collapses after hours of burning at 5.20 p.m. later in the day. Yeah, that's what the government was trying to believe. No one was assigned a building at that time.

Yeah. We all know about it. There's a lot of conspiracies around that one. Yeah. That's a hotbed. I don't really know a lot of them to be honest. Well, we'll find out eventually. Yeah.

There were no survivors from any of the flights and many more were killed at the impact sites. 9-11 is the deadliest act of terrorism in world history, having claimed the lives of 2,977 people in total. 90% of people above the point of impact in the towers died. Trapped people in the buildings were commonly seen jumping from the building itself, preferring the fate of falling as opposed to being burned alive in the crumbling buildings.

Those that were witness to the attack could do nothing more but watch as the towers themselves covered the city with smoke and dust, confused as to what they were witnessing. I can't even fucking fathom making that decision, like jumping out of this building or burning alive. Those are my only options right now. That is at, oh man.

actually insane i mean like if you look at this picture nothing i've never seen anything ever like no at all it's a picture of audio listeners it's a picture of the new york skyline yeah just covered in you know billowing smoke and smoke and dust and ash there was uh we've seen war go ahead i was gonna say there was one woman um i think she was a school teacher i can't remember what her job was she was later identified from photos but um

She jumped from the building and as she was falling, she held her skirt down so it wouldn't blow up and expose herself.

I think about that a lot. That's crazy. Yeah. The thing I think about a lot is that when the first responders showed up to the World Trade Center, the firefighters were assembling outside to coordinate their efforts of entering the building. And all they could hear was people falling from above and impacting the glass facade above. And man, just how harrowing that must be, that situation for so many people involved.

It's just really stuck with me, those stories. We've seen bombs and shit blowing up cities and all this destruction in war zones. And we've seen all this stuff. But there's not an image of anything like this that exists other than this. There's not an image of so much insane, modern destruction in a really unique way. It makes sense why people get so...

Why people are very protective over it and why people are so conspiratorial over it because it is just a massive point of trauma. Yeah, there's nothing else like this image here of the smoke going across the skyscrapers and stuff. There's nothing else that exists like that outside of film, right? Like images of entire urban landscapes in a war zone. Yeah, exactly.

Or at least, I should say, urban of that length, like skyscrapers and stuff like that. Yeah, I mean, there's probably going to be people that talk about current conflicts and things like that, especially with how many

documentation we have now, but in terms of, you know, mega cities and stuff like that, I think is what we're... And this was sort of like, I would certainly say a lot of imagery you see arising now is indicative of this kind of thing. Like it, indicative, I think I made that word up, indicative of this kind of thing. Like,

But this was like the first, like 9-11 was the first time that like we saw that. It felt like it was really the first time that it felt like maybe something on the scale because the Cold War had been going on for so long. We had kind of forgot, you know, open conflict can happen. Here's a reminder that it can come all the way home. Destruction can look like this. Yeah. Yeah. Terrifying.

It's such a symbolic thing, too, because you've got to think as well, we're post-communism, post-Cold War, and that is like the epitome of Americanism. That tower complex. Living under the blanket of this perceived security. It's a massive symbol. Yeah. There's a reason they did attack it. They're dicks.

Yeah, that's another thing about it. Stuff like the people jumping from the buildings and stuff. If we were to, for example, hear about, I don't know, a plane crash that happened because the plane went down, or we were to hear stories about some natural disaster, like a hurricane where people were killed, we're all like, oh, that's so tragic, that's sad. But there is such a more level of...

drawn to it because it was a man-made disaster, right? Those people only had to jump from the buildings because of the decisions of others. It makes it so much more... I mean, evil is such a light word for it. It makes it so much more heartless, you know? I don't know. It is thankfully the only time...

we've seen anything to that scale happen like in the United States, but there's other places in the world that have had other evils happen, you know, from the actions of people and stuff. And it, it was a huge reminder, I think, to the country that we're not untouchable, you know, not invincible. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, there were... Yeah, I don't know. It's fucked up. I mean, I think you guys... Sorry, I think you guys being American obviously brings with it a level of relatability, right? Because you're seeing this happen in your own country, it feels far more impactful than if you were to see something similar in some other place. I think that's a natural part of it as well. Yeah, there's a natural part of me that thinks of it more than other tragedies around the world just because it was...

in the country I lived in. That doesn't negate, I guess, maybe body count, but other than that, it doesn't negate, you know, the, it as higher than other tragedies or anything. It's just the one that sticks with me because, you know, my country. The destruction was felt all over the globe as videos and photos circulated of the attack. Anyone alive at the time has the moment seared into their memory.

It is not a stretch to call it one of the most instrumental days in the modern era, with it changing how the world worked fundamentally from that point on. It also triggered a multi-decade war in the Middle East, changed how we travel internationally forever, and led to governments across the globe dipping their toes into authoritarian-style information and surveillance programs designed around stripping the rights of civilians for the so-called domestic safety that they felt had been infringed upon.

Beyond that, it was also just an incredibly scary day for normal people across the globe.

If America could be attacked like this, if the American government and the American military could be caught undefended and unprepared, everyone else was vulnerable as well. And if we know anything about fear, it is that it breeds paranoia. And with that paranoia itself breeds conspiracies. And there we now we have Isaiah. Yes. Caleb's like, I'm done. I'm done. I don't have to do it anymore. I've done it.

You did the serious part. Now we can get to the fucking ridiculousness of conspiracies in general. Yes, I'm excited. I'm so excited. All right. So here we go. The 9-11 conspiracies. You simply can't have an enormous world changing event without it bringing with it a magnitude of unanswered questions. So it's no big surprise that 9-11 brought with it an enormous list of conspiracy theories widely believed by a large number of people.

Let's dive into them and see if there's anything credible to be found. Let's start with the main one, and the one we'll spend most time talking about. The inside job theory. And I'm now going to look at my camera, and I'm going to do this so the FBI agent knows I think this is ridiculous, and I'm going to go back and read it. Alright. One of the biggest theories surrounding 9-11 is that it was an inside job. What?

The idea was that the US government and its intelligence agencies either orchestrated or deliberately allowed the attacks to happen. There are a lot of different aspects of this conspiracy to go over here. I think so. Do you think people have much of an actual fundamental knowledge of this before they believe it? Or do you think they just blanket believe that the government did it without looking into anything? Okay. So the way a lot of these conspiracies work is

is it depends on how you're delivered information, right? So if you don't know a lot about 9-11, and then someone starts telling you all of the weird details of it without telling you any of the official narrative stuff, it's easy to be like, oh, yeah, that makes sense. It was an inside job, sure. So in that sense, yes. But most people...

like the idea it's an inside job it's spicy it's sexy it like changes history it's like a cool it it makes it makes things interesting right and i think i think you also kind of people enjoy that feeling of being smarter than others as well like they know something that everyone else doesn't know yeah they're in on yeah that's a club yeah yeah we're in on the joke so to speak so there's a bunch of people who approach it from that angle and then just find stuff to like reinforce that um

So I think it's both ways, but primarily, yeah, I think it's just people looking for something to support their pre-existing theory. Makes sense. All right. So first theory, or the inside job theory. This theory suggests that the Twin Towers were brought down by pre-planted explosions instead of the planes themselves.

The argument is that the government must have pre-planted explosives at the sites so as to bring the buildings down as the planes would have been unable to collapse the buildings on their own. This is where the commonly heard, jet fuel can't melt steel beams phrase stems from, as it's an argument that jet fuel cannot possibly burn hot enough to melt the steel beam structures of the World Trade Center buildings to the point of them collapsing.

This is shockingly true. It's absolutely 100% undeniably true that jet fuel burns at a maximum temperature of around 980 to 1,500 degrees Fahrenheit or 527 to 815 degrees Celsius for all of you poor souls who are not in imperial country.

While still melt... For all you Jacksons out there. Yeah, for all you Jacksons out there. While still melts... No, Jackson's in the US. He's just a government agent underneath like a base in Montana who's talking to us like, yeah, guys, go ahead. Make the 9-11 video. You know you want to. Imagine if I just come out with a fantastic American accent right now. That would be hilarious.

What can you do, guys? It was me, Jackson. I can't do accents. Don't make me do it. I hate doing accents. I don't even know. Because to me, American is like normal, the standard. What does an American accent sound like? Hello, I am Jackson. Yeah, by American accent, I mean divine, blessed, the correct one. Divine and blessed.

Well, I can think of it as like the stereotypical, like, you know, cowboy westerner. Go ahead. Well, howdy. There you go. I'm Jackson. Yeah, that kind of shit. That's pretty good. Keep going. Do a sentence. No, I can't. I can't. I literally can't. I hate doing accents. That was good. Well, howdy. I'm Jackson. That was pretty good. I like that. Um, so.

So to be real though, like American accents to me, like I think you guys misunderstand how common hearing American accents are in this day and age. Like our entire media that we consume in other Western countries is just American accents realistically. Good. You deserve it. It's literally just noise. I can't even discern it really.

What's interesting to me is the whole jet fuel thing because I haven't done any research into this, but I know coke furnaces and furnaces and shaping steel and stuff and like

A diabetic, what is it called? When heat can't escape? That's got to be the open-air burning temp of fuel. Yeah, you're getting ahead of us a little bit because I think it's about to get to that. Oh, shit, okay. Yeah, with the whole furnace idea. Yeah, basically... Oh, whoops. I got sidetracked talking about American superiority. Gets them every time. The...

temperature of burning jet fuel is at max 1500 degrees fahrenheit and steel melts at about 2500 degrees fahrenheit so case closed right there's no way that the jet fuel stored in the planes could have possibly burned hot enough to melt the steel beams that the towers were constructed out of hence no way for it to have possibly collapsed from the burning planes and their fuel

Well, sadly, this isn't representative of the situation completely. While it sounds really cool, it's a bit more nuanced than just saying the fuel can't burn hot enough. Therefore, the CIA planted bombs in the basement. The fact is that the steel in the buildings didn't need to melt to cause a collapse. It only needed to weaken. Steel loses about 50% of its strength at 1100 degrees Fahrenheit and about 90% of its strength at 1800 degrees Fahrenheit.

And

And remember, they were burning for like, you know, 15 minutes. So there was a, you know... Like you said, there was probably like an induction oven-style thing where the air was, you know, circulating the heat inside. Thermodynamics, heat transfers to mass and then back and out and back and out. Like, it's just not possible for it to escape. Plus all the oxygen. I mean, yeah, it's just... You've effectively...

Because the floors were above it too, you've effectively created a giant furnace within those floors where the heat's burning. So the heat keeps building on itself past the normal burning temp. And again, you don't need the steel to melt into like liquid goo. It just needs to be enough to collapse under the weight of the floors above it.

It's not like a binary state, you know, like steel is either solid or it's melt or a liquid, you know, that's not how that works. Yeah. You could take a piece of rebar that you couldn't bend and then heat it up to where it's like lightly red and bend it with your hands in the middle. Yeah. Yep. And with the temperatures that jet fuel, you know, does...

does heat up to, let's say, like 1500 degrees Fahrenheit or whatever, that's like the steel has lost 80% of its strength at that point, really, realistically. And let's also not forget a plane hit it.

causing even more structural damage. Historically, it's not good for structures. Bad. I think coal, the ignition temperature of coal is maybe 1,000 degrees or something like that. Then it gets hotter and hotter and hotter. The more mass you combine it with... It is an exponential growth of heat. Rosie O'Donnell...

I don't know physics and shit, but it's crazy to me that a plane can... Because they travel pretty fast planes. I don't know if you know this about planes, but they go pretty fast. And they're large and they're full of mass. So that crashing into a tower and the tower staying completely still and not crumbling over immediately is fucking impressive to me. But yeah, of course, that's going to create enough damage for it to topple on itself. Hold on. Why did you say Rosie O'Donnell randomly?

I believe she is. I'm like 17% sure she had some kind of quote about jet fuel melting steel beams. I'm pretty sure. I think. I could have slandered her just then. Sorry, Rosie.

The actress, right? That's who I'm thinking of. Rosie O'Donnell, yeah, she's an actress. I don't know what she is now. Oh, okay, hold on. Rosie O'Donnell, co-host of ABC talk show The View, made comments on the show that renewed controversy over the Building 7. I do believe that it's the first time, this is her quote, I do believe that's the first time in history that the fire has ever melted steel.

I do believe that defies physics that the World Trade Center Tower 7, Building 7, which collapsed in on itself. It is impossible for a building to fall the way it fell without explosives being involved. World Trade Center 7, World Trade Center 1 and 2 got hit by planes. 7 miraculously the first time in history. Steel was melted by fire. It is physically impossible. To say that we don't know that it imploded, that it was an implosion and a demolition is beyond ignorant. Look at the films. Get a physics expert from Yale, Harvard. Pick the school. It defies reason. Oh, shit.

Is anyone claiming that it melted the steel? First time ever fire melted steel ever in the world, ever. That's so weird, guys. Am I right? What a crazy thing to say. Definitely not. What a goofy woman. How crazy is she? Anyway, that is wild to say that on The View, by the way. It's like a one-man talk show. The View used to be based...

Rosie Bass Donnell, am I right? She's known for spitting truth. That is so funny to say that on the view of all places, but yeah. Just imagine all the wino mums out there nodding in agreement. Like, yeah, wait. I never thought of it that way. Yeah, wow. Rosie's right. Okay, so you may be saying, okay, well, maybe the fuel was hot enough to weaken the steel beams, but how about the weird way the towers fell?

It was too symmetrical to be caused by the planes.

That's another aspect of the controlled demolition theory that's popular. Many argue that the speed and uniformity of the collapse closely resembles that of controlled demolitions, claiming that aspects like squibs, which are a bust of air and debris seen in the lower floors, are indicative of explosions. This aspect was also further explained by the NIST investigation, as they explained that the building's unique design contributed to the straight-down collapse, as one of the upper floors began falling.

The tremendous weight led to a progressive pancake effect. And remember, the upper floors would begin falling first because that's where the majority of the structural weakness was due to the burning jet fuel. The squibs seen in the videos were explained as air pressure escaping as floors collapsed on top of each other. Yeah, I mean, this all just makes logical sense to me. Yeah, well, I mean, like...

Okay, so anyone in the audience who doesn't get this, imagine you're holding 20 pounds in your hand, right? Now imagine the 20 pounds is dropped from a few feet into your hands, right? For an instance, that 20 pounds is causing way more force than 20 pounds normally does, right? So now...

Scale that up to the top of a skyscraper, right? How much white that is? The lower floors of the building are not at all made to support that level of pressure against them. And it just causes a compounding effect. Yeah, it's a cascading effect of each time a floor above collapses, it adds another one to the falling effect. Yeah. Which is why it creates that pancake. So it speeds up as it's going down.

Also, a lot of rigidity from buildings. Buildings aren't sticks or trees or like you don't just put a giant metal rod in the middle of a building and then you build all the stuff outside of it. You you build the exterior of the building so it is solid and rigid. And then the interior is open space so people can be in it. So it's like also we yeah, there's just I don't know.

L. L, Rosie. But a W, though. It's the same time. People literally just pointed to the fact that it fell straight down as evidence of controlled demolition. Yes, that's so stupid. It really is. It just makes sense to me that because the plane hit up there, obviously it causes structural weakness near the top of the building, which causes the top floors to plummet onto the next floors. And then that just creates a compounding effect of each floor

above or below there, then falling as well, creating that downward kind of pressure.

Yeah, it's like you can actually see similar cases, not on the same scale, of course, but similar cases in like war zones where like eight, nine story buildings are hit like by a missile or something. If they're hit midway through, there will be an explosion outwards on one side because the building's much smaller compared to like, you know, the World Trade Center. But if you watch the rest of the building, the top floors will come down and then the whole under building will crumble under that continuing weight.

And obviously one of the reasons that like the World Trade Center collapse looks quote unquote weird because of that is because we've never seen another example of something of that scale going down like this. A wonder of the world. A modern wonder.

collapsing from a there will hopefully never be another instance of a building of that size collapsing from a midpoint right um so like yeah you don't you know see and you know why you know why it looks like control demolitions because the way control demolitions work is you blow up the base of them and then the compounding weight is crushed all the way down yeah yeah so it's the same thing that happened yeah

Anyway. No. Yeah, hold on. I mean, George Bush put explosives at the base of that building so that he could get his daddy's guns back from the Cold War that he gave to the Mujahideen. Yeah, there we go. That's better.

No one went along with him, so he single-handedly moved the C4 down there himself. He was shuffling that shit down there for weeks. No one noticed. Yeah, no one noticed. It wasn't even a Secret Service agent. It was just George Bush by himself. I mean, just imagine, again, these conspiracies, how many people would have had to have been in the know to pull something like this off as well? There's a rule for that. I forget what the name of it is. It's called...

It's called the something. I remember I took this little course about psychological operations and stuff, which makes it sound like I'm a Fed. It was just a buddy of mine who was a Fed who was doing a knowledge thing about it. But

There's something that like the feds use to determine the legitimacy of a conspiracy based on the number of participants that have to be involved. And it's something like variables. If the number of participants exceeds like seven, there's no way. There's no way like eight people could keep silent about something the rest of their lives till they're dead. Right.

That's why a lot of conspiracies have also been proven true in the past is because someone did eventually talk about it. Exactly, yeah. And even then it's like, oh, three guys were quiet about it for years and then one of them leaked about it, right? Like, look at something... And that's why some conspiracies to me are legitimate because, yeah, it's like four people realistically could have known about it. But it's not like the entirety of the organization has ever been on something. I mean, it goes back...

It is. This is a smaller scale version of like the flat earth thing where it's like, oh, well, every pilot, every astronaut, every like world leader, like everyone in the world's in on the joke for some reason. Whereas with this one, you would need thousands of rescue workers, thousands of government agents stuff to never breathe a word about it for some reason. Yeah.

Yeah. The only way that you could really think about that to play devil's advocate and it were to make sense is if you had like a very core group of like an intelligence agency, let's say, maybe not even a domestic one, but like, let's say a foreign intelligence agency sort of allowing these things to happen, like like what you're saying. And then, you know, because.

It's not like compartmentalization doesn't exist and it's not like there aren't fairly large secrets that most people who are

in the same organizations as where those secrets come from, don't know about them. I mean, like since the advent of the CIA, the number one principle is compartmentalization. And there are aspects of the CIA that are born secret because they're private. They're not, not that they're, they're like hidden or whatever, because it's like private companies are a part of the CIA and a part of different government organizations. And like,

There's this weird nature of public and private and born secret. Compartmentalization can be super effective, but yeah, the likelihood that the George Bush knew anything about this or

Like it's the, the DOD is carrying out an attack on our domestic soil is just so insanely convoluted. Yeah. It makes no sense. It's fucking insane. Again, the most I'm willing to believe is that a couple people like an intelligence agency didn't forward information or something like that. Right. And that's like two or three guys. So potentially, but like the idea that everyone knew the building was rigged to blow, like, yeah.

Yeah, well, again, how much manpower would be needed to pull that off? It's not like three guys go down there and plant the C4 or whatever. You would need a large group of people. Conspiracies like that give a bad name to us legitimate conspiracy theorists who do think Martin Luther King was shot by a government... No, I'm just... Well, the JFK conspiracy of him being assassinated, pretty believable in my eyes.

Comparatively, yes. JFK isn't as strong to me as MLK, because that was three guys who wanted him dead and openly wanted him dead for a while. And then the King family won in court saying that the government was involved. Um...

But again, that's like a few people, like Caleb said, like in an organization who's like bound by secrecy or whatever, is way different than hundreds of thousands, well not hundreds of thousands, like thousands of rescue workers and people in the city who just like

Could you imagine a fireman team in New York finding explosives detonated and being like, well, we should be quiet about this. Some janitor that went down there is like, holy shit, this place is weak to explode. I'm not going to tell anyone about that.

But also, like Caleb said, it literally doesn't make sense why they would do this in the first place. If their motive was to bring these towers down and make it look like a foreign adversary or something like that, there would have been a thousand better ways to accomplish that, even if that was their motive. Why would they not just blow the buildings up with explosives and then blame Al-Qaeda? They wouldn't even need the planes at that point.

Yeah, it's just too much. There's too much of a rigmarole for it to make any logical sense that it's a fully systemic inside job. Once again, I will say a single intelligence agency having information like what Isaiah is saying, that makes a lot more sense. You know, it makes a lot more sense. Who benefits the most from a forever war in the Middle East? I don't know.

I don't know, maybe the guys who wanted to be over there or were over there for like the past 50 years during the Cold War and just needed an excuse to bring in some bigger guns. That is the most I'm willing to believe. And again, not even that they did the attack, just that they let key information about a potential attack go under the radar.

I don't even think that would have been an intentional thing either by anyone. I don't think they let 9-11 happen. I think maybe they, in a very Operation Northwoods manner, you had some figures at the top of agencies who were like, well, maybe an attack will be okay. I never think they probably never wanted one to this degree. But similar to how back in the 60s, whenever we were having relations with Cuba...

and they were like we could cause like they proposed it to Kennedy we could have an attack on the United States like a low casualty incident that we blamed on Cuba and that would justify an invasion of the country something like that again I don't think they caused it but they maybe allowed some information to get through to kind of be like see how it shakes out I don't think they wanted like a 9-11 but that's what they got that's the most I'm willing to believe

Are you telling me that this exact, basically the exact same thing that happened in 9-11 was already documented? I mean, I mean, I mean, I'm just sharing some crazy, kooky conspiracies I've heard before. I don't know. I'm taking this to my superior. Where were we in the doc? Where were we in the doctor? Maybe you say.

Moist. Everybody's going to be so confused by this video. Yeah. Well, if they're only audio listening, they can't see me making crazy faces at the camera every now and then, so they don't know what's going on. But no, again, that's the most I'm willing to believe. It's not like the building was rigged to blow by New York City police officers or something. Send this to your local FBI agent. No.

Don't! I will say the report. I forget the name of the commission report. The 9-11 commission. I'm talking before 9-11. Was it called the Millennium Report? What was the name of it?

I don't know. I forget. I think it was the Millennial War. A few months before 9-11, Bush was like, can we effectively put troops on ground in the Middle East? And the commission was like, no. The phrasing was something to the effect of, it would take a second Pearl Harbor to cause an American invasion of the Middle East. And then a few months later, this happens. I will admit, that's fishy. You'd be the...

The direct wording of the Millennium Report wasn't, "It would take a 9/11 to happen." It would take two planes hitting the World Trade Center and one hitting the Pentagon and one crashing in a field in Pennsylvania. George W. Bush has quoted as saying in 1998, "It would take a 2001 September 11th to happen." What the fuck does George mean by that?

Yeah, what the fuck? He's crazy. He's in elementary school. This might be there, but another point of the conspiracy theory is if you remember that one plane was supposed to hit the White House and conveniently George Bush was at an elementary school in Florida when this happened. It's possible that the plane could have been heading to Florida too. We don't know for sure. Yeah, from Washington DC to Florida.

I mean, to be fair, how much time realistically does the president spend at the White House? Not that much. No, I'm just saying that's something conspiracy theorists bring up. Yeah, they do point to that. But realistically, they were probably... It's a symbol. Yeah, they were taking it because it's the White House, not because the president might be there. The British burnt it down them sumbitches back in the war 1812. Sure did. We did. Fuckers. We shot them up and got rid of them.

We did. We pushed him back up into Canada. 1914, we took a little trip. Took a little trip. Took a little bacon and we took... Okay, where were we? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now I hear you saying... Alright, right here. I'm sorry, everyone. I'm trying to pay attention. Now I hear you saying...

Okay, you make a compelling argument, but what about World Trade Center 7? How could that possibly have collapsed if it wasn't hit by a jet carrying precious jet fuel?

That's a solid point. However, let's keep in mind that it was located directly next to the two buildings that just fell almost right on top of it. It's undeniable that it was heavily damaged by the collapse of the nearby North Tower. This damage caused significant structural damage, particularly to the south face of the building, which in of itself compromised key structural components of the building the same way the North and South Towers core structural integrity was damaged.

The fires in World Trade Center 7 also burned uncontrolled for several hours after the collapse of the Twin Towers as well.

The building sprinkler system had been compromised by the destruction of the nearby water mains, meaning the fires raged on without suppression. This, combined with the structural damage from the nearby tower collapses, were sufficient enough evidence for the NIST investigation to conclude that WTR-07 was brought down by the same sort of damage that collapsed the other two towers. Plus, no explosive residue was ever detected or found at the sites of the collapses by anyone.

Isn't there like a conspiracy theory revolving around World Trade Center 7 that it hosted a bunch of files? Yes, yeah. The day before 9-11, I don't know the legitimacy of this, but the conspiracy is that the...

CIA misplaced, I think it was $4 billion or something like that. Yeah, it's a small amount. That happens all the time. I thought it was the Pentagon, not World Trade Center. Pentagon, Pentagon, Pentagon. You're right. It was the Pentagon. Just that part of the Pentagon had stuff in it. It had the records in it and stuff. But there was something about World Trade Center 7 having records of money being moved around.

Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised that that's a conspiracy, to be honest. Yeah. It does have the word trade in it. Is there any evidence or did some guy just say there were files there? Like, what's the evidence? I think that there's money involved, probably. Follow the trail of money.

It was something about, I mean, we may get to it in a second. If not, I could look at it. It was something about World Trade Center 7 had records, maybe, of something in it and the building had to be taken down. Stargate. To me, yeah, it had Stargate towers in it. But to me, that sounds more so like, oh, well, the building got taken down. Why would it got taken down? Well, maybe if there was something in there. So people say there was something in there. Yeah. Yeah.

Like post-mortem. Like backwards reasoning, yeah. Significance to it. Post-mortem. I just referred to it as post-mortem. I think if I remember right, in reality, it was just like an office space that was rented by several different groups, like local businesses in the city, just used it as like an office space. Yeah.

Yeah, I mean, if we're looking at this, like, realistically, why the fuck would they be holding significant documents at, you know, the World Trade Center in the middle of New York? It makes no sense. Yeah, they would be hosting that somewhere, like some NORAD facility or something. Yeah, in a black site. Yeah.

Yeah, not a fucking public building in New York City. One of the most populous cities in America. They're not putting it somewhere where McDonald's can have an office space the floor above it. Yeah. Yeah. It's not like this was just a CIA building. There were other companies hosted there. So yeah, that's insane to me. You guys just don't get it. It was hiding in plain sight.

I need to go take a piss, but you can continue while I'm pissing. I'll be right back. All right, daddy. However, there is one thing I can't necessarily explain away with science. I've read reports that there were early warnings about World Trade Center 7's collapse, including from news outlets such as the BBC. These warnings prematurely reported the building's fall before it actually happened. A lot of believers pointed to this as evidence of foreknowledge, which suggests an orchestrated event.

While this is true that these four warnings do exist, I think it's likely that there were official warnings released by the government that World Trade Center 7 was in danger of collapse.

The building was visibly buckling during the day and emergency personnel had already evacuated the area around World Trade Center 7. Firefighters and first responders were anticipating the collapse for hours. So to me, it's likely that it was just misreporting and an incredibly chaotic day where information was coming in from multiple sources, many of it unverified. While the journalists were anticipating the collapse, one may have sent an unverified and unsubstantiated claim that was then relayed and picked up by many organizations.

Yeah, I remember this one. The BBC, it was a little bit before they were like, World Trade Center 7 has collapsed. But the official wording was like, World Trade Center 7 is about to collapse. So they were reporting like, don't go near it. Because the building was visibly cracked and on fire.

so yeah it was in a bad place likely structural like experts they're determining when it would collapse like using science and facts so like yeah yeah yeah it's not like it just randomly happened and the people were shocked it doesn't make sense to like that that as a conspiracy just doesn't make any sense i mean it's just adding many they're just adding new like elements to the story to make it more they're dumb more unbelievable them bellies are yellow

That's what people do with conspiracies, though. Someone comes up with a conspiracy initially, and then more people get involved. As Isaiah said before, it's a confirmation bias, where then they start saying things, and they're like, well, this fits into the conspiracy this way. It must. Yeah. I mean, there was also a ton of other misinformation that was reported that day. Initially, it was reported that it was a prop plane that hit, and then it wasn't a prop plane. There was information that...

Rosie O'Donnell was on site. She was there. Wasn't a plane at all. There were some news reports that are like, perhaps there's a fire on the floor. Like, you know, no one knows what's happening. They're trying to get information out to the public. So someone mishearing the building's about to collapse as the building has collapsed is reasonable. Yeah.

100%. And guess what happened? It collapsed. This happens in the modern day as well. News organizations rush to put out the story and they don't verify their facts correctly or something like that. Look at the Ukraine-Russia conflict. Do you know how many times...

It was like, oh, this town's been taken. The town hasn't been taken. The town's full of Russians. There's no Russians, but there's also some Russians. Okay, now it's taken, but it's insane all over the place. And that's before you bring social media into it. And they're like, oh, there's a ghost of Kiev flying a plane around. Someone just made that up to have fun. Information's insane in times of crisis. I would like to see just how much of the internet and the news that we consume is just outright misinformation.

Yeah, a lot of it. So you gotta be careful with any of it. But yeah, I mean, that's understandable. And it might not have even been malicious misreporting of the facts as well or anything like that. It genuinely could have just been an accident. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. It's just like, oh, are you talking about with this or with other stuff?

this this i mean what we're talking about in terms of 9-11 yeah yeah yeah like it's it's just like you mishear stuff everything's chaotic there's so much information coming in no one no one knew who did it for a minute right so it's like why she was doing that we just like uh pretty early on uh there were announcements of like middle east attacks i think it's like okay who like you know who flew it in stuff like that like you know the entire middle east

It was a coalition. The United Arab Emirates put together a committee to put... No. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. It's like, what does that even mean, right? There's an additional argument that has been made that points to the culpability of the U.S. government and its various agencies. The claim is that the North American Aerospace Defense Command, or NORAD, received... What?

I say good old NORAD. They pop up in a lot of conspiracy theories. We love them. Big fans of NORAD over here at the Red Thread. Fuck yeah. The claim is that NORAD received an order to stand down the day of 9-11 and not to interfere with the planes. The belief was that NORAD had the ability to intercept the planes, but didn't. And on that particular day, there were military training exercises as believed may have been an intentional distraction.

While this is true that they were holding war game exercises, particularly an exercise called Vigilant Guardian, which simulated hijackings, there's no evidence that this was anything other than a coincidence, and multiple investigations have confirmed that the war games didn't prevent or delay NORAD's ability to respond. It is kind of crazy that they were holding hijacking simulations the day of the largest hijacking event in the world. It is, it is, I'll give you that. But...

I know people who are not NORAD, but they're like the guys who train with NORAD for like hijacking stuff. They do this thing like once a month. They'll have hijacking simulations. A huge one they do a lot is they'll do like a blackout simulation. So like if there's massive power grid drops across the United States, like once a month, they will have these things where it's like, okay, power goes down. How do we contact this? How do we do this? How do we sit out? And they'll game it.

And they do that all the time. And people will hear that and be like, oh, they trained this month. That might mean that there's a massive EMP strike about to happen. No, they just do that all the time. Just preparing for the situation. That's just normal. Or like the COVID. They did a bunch of COVID tests right before COVID. Yeah, they did a bunch of contained breakdowns. And they do that all the time too. That's their job.

Of course they did. Yeah, there's a billion people. They do mass earthquake one, stuff like that. They're constantly training for huge disasters across the United States. Which is what they should be. What do you want them to do? Nothing? Sit around and just ad-lib it when it happens? Also, like, there is... Oh, oh, oh, what happened? There is such a thing also as too much coincidence, right? In my eyes. Like, the fact that they held...

simulated hijackings on the day, if this was some kind of government conspiracy to keep NORAD preoccupied so that they wouldn't be able to stop the planes or whatever, why on earth would they make it so that they were preparing for a hijacking as part of their mission or whatever they're practicing? Why would you choose a simulated hijacking if the idea was to lie to the American public? That's too much coincidence that it doesn't make sense.

Like, if I was the American organization that was, you know, trying to lie to the American public and say that NORAD, you know, had a stand-down order, like, given them a stand-down order, why on earth would I then make the mission that they were, you know, preoccupied with the thing that was happening in the real world right now? Yeah, like, if you're trying to...

like make a conspiracy why would you be like we have to throw the public off here train hijacking they'll never there will be no connection between that and what's happening today now that looks far too sus you know yeah yeah doesn't make sense so beyond that it's true that norad had the capability to prevent this from happening by shooting down the passenger jets with military jets which would have been insane

NORAD's primary mission before 9-11 was to detect and intercept potential external threats to U.S. airspace, such as incoming missiles or planes from foreign nations. They weren't expecting the call to come from inside the house, basically. The idea of domestic hijackings being used as suicide attacks was not something NORAD was trying... I'm sorry, I wasn't laughing at the sentence. I was laughing at... Have you seen those videos of those automated anti-aircraft turrets on top of ships?

Yeah. So they'll turn on, you know the ones I'm talking about that point and then they fire like a thousand rounds and take down something. Okay. Sea whatever's? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sea sands? Yeah, yeah. They're like mounted on top of like battleships.

You know? Uh-huh. What's funny is when they're unloaded and import, they do routine checks on the targeting system. So, like, to make sure it's still targeting stuff in the sky. And it will constantly target civilian passenger planes. Yeah.

target target target target like it's tracking them and it's funny because like i see videos and all like the navy guys are on deck and they're all like wait wait wait wait that's so funny but i just imagined like if if this were to happen again immediately it would probably so it's right so these uh you

you know anti-air cannons on these ships they target everything but they have to wait for like friend or foe designation before they actually fire yeah yeah and when they're testing them in harbor they're like unloaded and stuff they're just checking the uh you know the tracking software on it but uh yeah in real life there is a commander of the system that is like assigning like yes target no target like friendly and non-friendly so yeah

But yeah, I wasn't laughing at the idea of the show. I was just laughing at how quickly something would get fly swatted now. Like it would just get taken down. I mean, even like targeting the White House, right? Like they had plans to fly into the White House. Doesn't the White House have anti-air cannons on top of its building or something? I don't know. I don't think so. I don't think the White House has cannons on top of it. Well, not cannons, but they've got ways to take down like...

There's sites nearby in DC that certainly have like maybe I'm thinking of a movie. Maybe I'm thinking of like, I think you're thinking of in modern warfare too. I think you're thinking of that movie with Gerard. Yeah. Yeah. Or like modern warfare too. Whenever like you get to the top and the Russians have guns on it and you like have to take him out and stuff like that. I think that's what you're thinking. Yeah.

Is that not historically accurate? I don't think so. But it's cool. I'm glad that your idea of the United States is like we have guns on top of the White House. I wish. Here we go. Today I learned a White House anti-aircraft missile battery is plainly visible on the roof of 17th Street's new executive office building. It's on the roof of where?

an office building like right next to the White House. Okay, that's really cool. That's hold on White House anti-aircraft. So I wasn't completely wrong, but it's not on the actual building itself. Oh my gosh. This is so cool. Yeah, it's not on the building itself. Yeah, right across the street. It's like a giant Sam site. Yeah, what the heck that goes so hard. I bet I bet you can I bet if you like show up and start taking pictures of it. They have a lot of questions to ask you but man that looks so cool.

Alright, well that's hot. That actually makes me feel a bit cooler about us. See? Olympus is falling! USA! USA! Jared Butler would never lie. Yeah. Jerry. So it's not on the White House, but yeah, it's nearby. It's like on a building over, yeah. Okay. That's so cool.

Man, if I was the president, I would just do this all day. I'd be like, can I go see, can I go look at the missile? Can I just go sit by it? Can I just go look at it? Can we go stand on that office building? Can we go unload it and then turn on targeting for all so it could just like look at jets and go around wildly? Yeah. So anyway, wherever I was. NORAD's primary mission before 9-11 was to detect and intercept potential external threats to U.S. airspace, such as incoming missiles or planes from foreign nations.

They weren't expecting the call to come from inside the house, basically. The idea of domestic hijackings being used as suicide attacks was not something NORAD was trained or equipped to handle. At the time, the protocol for hijackings involved dealing with hostage situations, not using planes as weapons. The U.S. military had not been focused on monitoring commercial flights, which explains why the news took so long to be delivered to them from the FAA as the protocol was simply not defined at the time.

By the time NORAD was fully aware of the situation, it was too late to intercept the planes. For example, American Airlines 511 hit the North Tower at 8.46 a.m., while the military wasn't fully alerted to its hijacking until it had already crashed. There was also no stand-down order to be found in any evidence or investigation, as NORAD did scramble jets once it became aware of its hijackings.

For example, jets were launched from Otis Air National Guard Base in Massachusetts to intercept Flight 11, but they were launched too late. Other jets were scrambled, but due to the large distance, the confusion, and the transponder issues, they couldn't reach the hijacked planes in time.

Though there is an additional unsubstantiated conspiracy that Flight 93 was brought down by military jets as opposed to passengers of the plane. I've heard that one a lot. Which I don't believe because they would have had to essentially fabricate all of the report, all of the phone messages people were sending their families and stuff, which doesn't seem possible. It's like...

oh, well, okay, that guy died on the plane. Let's spoof his phone number and get someone who sounds exactly like him to leave a message for his wife and kids that we know he has, right? Like, it doesn't seem possible. But as far as conspiracies go, there would only need to be a few people who knew that a plane shot down Flight 93, right? Plus, that is actually something that I could see them lying about. That is something that is potentially possible. That, like...

A plane was going towards the White House and because Flight 93 was the last flight of the day and the jets were too late to get there for the other three planes. So maybe if it showed up while Flight 93 was in the air and then the jet shot it down and then the government was like, oh, yeah, it crashed. Like the conspiracy would be that the government obviously had to make a hard decision there, particularly.

It is a hard decision. Like you're shooting down American citizens in a plane to prevent more citizens. They know that that wouldn't look good. So what do they do? They spin it as a story of like the heroic Americans fighting back within the plane that saved the day. That being said, though, the evidence would be too much to be fabricated. But this is a much more believable theory than like controlled demolitions within the building. Yeah.

I guess the way you could view it is maybe the people on board were fighting back and then they were shot down. Yeah.

because i would give the evidence here but that's just like that's like both things true at once so like yeah i think there would be evidence as well uh in the wreckage there was and ground crews investigated it and they never came to that conclusion so yeah at the end of the day the most believable aspect of the theory stems from the fact that the u.s government has done shady stuff in the past and their supposed and alleged motives are at least partially believable the

The theories claim that the motives of the attacks were part of a larger agenda to expand military, political, and economic control both domestically and internationally. And while it is true that this did happen, I'd like to remind people that that doesn't necessarily mean that the U.S. government orchestrated the event in the first place. In my opinion, both can be true in the sense that they seized an opportunity while not creating the opportunity in the first place. Yeah, I would agree with that. Mm-hmm.

To fully realize the theory though, let's quickly go over the supporting evidence that at least contributes to the claim that the US government had the motive to orchestrate this. The quick move to invade Iraq, which has significant oil reserves and was a strategically strong position in the Middle East, despite Iraq not being directly linked to the 9/11 attacks, is seen as suspicious.

Isaiah, I'm going to do it.

I'm going to make a Star Wars reference. You need to stop me. This is just like when Emperor Palpatine enacted his act. He orchestrated the Clone Wars to give himself ultimate powers in the Senate. So that the Senate would vote over power to him in their time of trouble. Yep, yep. Exactly. Crazy. It's just like Star Wars at the end of the day. Oh my God. I can't believe it.

Space opera. And what's that quote, Pat? And this is how democracy dies, with thunderous applause. Yeah. Yeah. Padme says that, I think. Yeah. Or was it Jar Jar Binks? Yeah, it was Jar Jar Binks. I thought I said that first. For sure, yeah.

He's a democracy guy. He's a democracy guy. Bro, that... Yeah, okay. I'm not going to get on a Star Wars tangent during a 9-11 episode, but yes. Oh, come on. Okay, I'll just say that it is insane that no one was there to check George Lucas' dialogue in the prequels. That is the biggest thing holding it back, in my opinion.

100%. I remember an interview with Mark Hamill talking about the original Star Wars movie all the way back in the 70s. That there was some line that Luke was supposed to say that's like, yeah, but...

if we can't get to the space belt, the intergalactic war trimmers aren't going to blah, blah, blah. And he said he just went to George Lucas and was like, people don't talk like this. Like what? And like they curtailed some of the language. He is an incredible world builder, George Lucas. He did a fantastic job creating the universe. And I really think in the

in the hands of, let's say, a better dialogue writer and a better director, that prequel trilogy could have been incredible. It could have. And I still do like the prequels, but the reason they're not remembered as fondly as the originals is because he had people to curtail him in the originals. Yeah. Anyway. Yeah, back to this Star Wars.

Defense contractors like Lockheed Martin and Halberton saw significant profits due to the war on terror. It was good for business and bolstered the US economy. Yeah. And how? What's the point of war if you can't profit off of it, right? Um...

There was something I wanted to say about, oh yeah, so talking about like the Patriot Act, which again is like, you know, atrocious, like in Roaches on Liberty, stuff like that. Right after 9-11, a buddy of mine was living in New York City and he's Egyptian. So he's not Middle Eastern, but to the untrained eye, he looks Middle Eastern, right?

And he was... He's like a photographer. And he was getting pictures of the subway system and the trains going over areas of Brooklyn. And he was getting pictures of them. And then the next day, Homeland Security shows up at his house. And they're like, why are you taking pictures of infrastructure? He was like, oh, I just thought they looked cool. And they're like, yeah, don't do that. Yeah.

That's so funny. That's terrifying that they knew that quickly. Oh, he was telling me this story while we were in New York City. There was a ring camera nearby on a house. And I was like, Homeland Security's got you on there now. They got you saying that. So he goes up to the ring camera and he goes, I love America. We have no planes. We're not...

That's even more sus. We're not playing anything. I'm Egyptian. I love America. That's fucking hilarious. That's so terrifying, the level of surveillance and how quickly it took hold and how now it's normalized. People have ring doorbells in every aspect of their life. I mean, we carry around cameras in our pockets every day. Yeah, man, I'm holding one right now. I mean, I'm on camera right now talking about this that I intend for thousands to see, so...

I mean, yeah. However, let's now take a quick look at the evidence that seems to suggest that you can forget about everything we just said.

Al-Qaeda, under the leadership of Osama bin Laden, took direct responsibility for the attack. I mean, that's it, right? That's all we need. Yeah, the terrorist organization that hates the U.S. said, yes, we did it. There's no way that they're helping the United States out. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, forget about everything else we just said. I mean, that's all the proof I need. Yeah.

Yep. All the evidence was then.

And they even confessed, I mean, confessed, quote-unquote, they bolstered that it was them. What was that one thing about one of their, like, passports came out during the attacks or whatever? Do you remember that? No, I don't remember that. I heard about that. I remember that. Was their passport faked or something like that? Well, yeah, it was... So news agencies apparently used to do this thing where they would just...

make up evidence to sensationalize stuff. And there was one report that at the site of the World Trade Center, one of the hijackers' passports was found in the rubble. Which is like... I want you to think about that logistically for a second. A passport that was in the pocket of a hijacker

That flew into a building a hundred stories up and then the building collapsed and everything destroyed. His passport is just okay on the ground. Jet fuel can't melt paper passports. Jet fuel can't melt paper. Yeah. So like...

an insane thing yeah found in the wreckage or whatever like it's absurd and I say like a bunch of people point to that as like oh well the you know like the government was they manufactured the hijackers and stuff like that

They planted the evidence, basically, like a cop would. Yeah, I think that's just sensationalism. Like, new sensationalism. It seems so insane to me that the passport, that they would find it, you know? Yeah, I don't believe that for a second. So anyway, I think to me the more believable story is that this was an intelligence failure, not orchestration.

Most evidence points to intelligence bureaucratic failures rather than deliberate orchestration. Prior to 9-11, various U.S. intelligence agencies, such as the CIA and FBI, had information about potential terrorist threats from al-Qaeda, but failed to share or act on that intelligence effectively. What did I say? The 9-11 Commission concluded that the attacks were the result of systemic failure in communication and coordination among agencies, which makes total sense when you factor in how bureaucratically tied up in red tape these agencies are at the end of the day.

This is still a problem that exists to this day. So it's very believable to me that this is the real reason. I mean, yeah, 100%. Sometimes the most simple answer is usually the correct, right? Yeah.

Yeah. Again, like I think it was orchestrated by the guys. Well, it was orchestrated by the guys that said that they orchestrated it. Like what are the, did Al Qaeda come out and say, yes, we did that because George Bush asked them to come out. Yeah. Al Qaeda was like, don't worry CIA. We've got you this time. Yeah. You've got you. You owe us one. Total bros. Yeah. Yeah.

You were so, you were so. That's what they're chatting in their caves. Yeah, exactly. They're just frat boys. Just the most patriotic dudes possible.

This is the new plane, new plane, no plane theory. While the inside job theory is the most popular conspiracy theory, there are certainly other ones we can discuss very quickly. None of the ones explored in as much detail as the inside job theory. Let's talk about the fact that there are people out there that believe there were no planes involved in 9-11 at all. Conspiracy theorists suggest that it was actually missiles responsible for the crashes. Some believing they were, of course, launched by the American government themselves.

Even though planes can be seen in the media and videos, believers of this conspiracy say that the planes were digitally added into the... Why is this always a thing? Like, with the moon landing and stuff, it's always digital, like, effects. We can't even make Sonic correctly the first time. That's an easy out, right? Like, oh, well, it's fake. It was added in post. Yeah. Movies look like shit, though. Yeah, yeah. The idea of the moon landing being faked in the 60s is very funny to me. That's, like, a charming conspiracy to me. It's kind of, like, harmless. Yeah.

It's like flat earth. Yeah. Believers of this conspiracy say that the planes were digitally added into live footage and people in New York City that day may have seen some sort of advanced hologram, like a drone show, I guess. An advanced hologram. Yeah. Some kind of Star Wars effect. Like, come on. It's so obvious. It's just a plane. We saw the plane. Well,

One of the biggest things people use to prove this theory is the size of the impact hole on the Pentagon. In early pictures, it can sort of look like the hole was too small to be created by a Boeing 757, and the lack of plane debris was seen as evidence that it could not have been a plane, but instead a missile or drone. To me, it doesn't look that small, the hole in the Pentagon, but I don't know. What do you guys think?

That looks like a plane-sized hole. I don't know what to say. It's not like a pinhole. That's a pretty substantial gaping wound in the Pentagon. Also, if I remember right from diagrams, the plane hit the ground right in front. Exactly, yeah. And skipped up into the Pentagon, I'm pretty sure. Yeah, it's not like it hit it direct on the lifespan wide. Looking at the facts, when the plane hit the

the Pentagon's exterior wall, it created a hole that was around 75 feet wide. And about 20 minutes after the initial impact, the outer facade collapsed. So the question many ask is, how is it possible that the plane crashed into the Pentagon when the wingspan of a Boeing 757 is 175 feet?

It's also really funny to the missile theory to imagine that they fired these ICBMs that are like speed of sound into buildings. Those were planes. Those were planes.

Forget what you saw. That was definitely a plane. Just fucking missiles slamming into buildings. And people are expected to believe that there were planes. Insanity. We also have radar data, eyewitness accounts, and debris in the area, like engine parts, and the black box recovered from the crash site, which contradict the theory. But let's, of course, ignore all of the eyewitnesses that directly saw this happen with their own eyes. Conspiracy theorists online have solved it once and for all. There was no planes. It was all missiles.

I believe it. God bless conspiracy theorists. All right, this next part, this is a pretty cute part. This is about how 9-11 was predicted. So,

So, was the 9/11 terrorist attack predicted in the 16th century by the French writer Nostradamus? Now we're into it, let's go. Some people believe so. It must be a conspiracy if Nostradamus predicted it. Nostradamus wrote ambiguous, nearly inscrutable phrases that have apparently predicted many incidents like the American Civil War, Hitler, he predicted Hitler, the assassination of John F. Kennedy, and the 9/11 attacks.

Okay, so here's the quote, right? And I want you guys to really think about this. See if you can determine if this is about 9-11 or not. So the quote goes, Two steel birds will fall from the sky on the metropolis. The sky will burn at 45 degrees latitude. Fire approaches the great new city. Immediately, a huge scat of flame leaps up. Within months, rivers will flow with blood. The undead will roam the earth for little time.

In the city of God, there will be a great thunder. Two brothers torn apart by chaos while the fortress endures. The great leader will succumb. The third big war will begin when the big city is burning. Nostradamus 1654. So if I remember... I believe it. If I remember correctly...

These aren't even, these are like different lines of his mishmash together, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Cause I remember I've, I've talked about this one before in videos that it's just like, these are just different lines that people force together to make it sound like something. Yeah. I mean, two, two steel board boards, two steel birds will fall from the sky in the metropolis. I mean, that's pretty impressive.

Yeah, but I mean, that could also just be from... I mean, yeah, with most predictions, it's just like extremely vague and people cherry pick, obviously. Okay, so the quotes were also from Nostradamus in 1654. That's a very important number because the problem is that Nostradamus died in 1566, 88 years after this was apparently written. So I think we can rule out the conspiracy theorist that, you know, what's his name? Nostradamus was involved in the collapse of the Twin Towers.

Plus, even if he did predict this somehow, what's the conspiracy theory exactly? That he orchestrated it from the grave to be proven right? Yeah. But this one's cooler in my eyes. You guys have heard of Baba Vanga, right? The Balkan Nostradamus, who also supposedly predicted major catastrophic events like Chernobyl and 9-11. Baba Vanga was a Bulgarian blind woman who was apparently gifted with abilities to predict things that will happen.

Barbara Vonger died in 1996 but left predictions on every year till when she believed the world would not exist anymore in 5079.

When a tornado hit her hometown when she was 12 years old, it picked her up and flew her into a nearby field. Her eyes got incredibly damaged in this event and were so painful she could not open them. She laid there for days, unable to move, with dirt crusting over her eyes, robbing her of her sight forever. But it was here that she gained, you know, her vision, her true vision, which was being able to predict the future and heal people. Would you guys go through that amount of damage? Would you guys choose to go blind if you could see the future?

No. No? You'd prefer just normal vision? I think that being able to see the future would suck. Well, hold on. Am I like... Well, hold on, hold on. Now it's like a weird question. Am I like an arbiter that can prevent tragedies and save lives and lead us into new technological ages because I'm blind? Or is it like, I see a crow in a field. This must mean that Russia will blah, blah, blah. Yeah, I think it's the Baba Vanga route where it's just weird visions. Yeah, no, absolutely not.

I'm good. I'd rather fucking see my loved ones. If I can tell time, then sure. She was unable to really understand or describe what she believed gave her these abilities. She just called the source of the powers as being gifted from invisible creatures. Is there any kind of analysis on your end for that, Isaiah? Any kind of spirituality aspect to this? Yeah, yeah. So she's like actually the... She's like the Antichrist. Yeah.

This chick's nuts. I'll stay with that one, sure. The story of Baba Vanga is pretty crazy. Some scientists have actually studied her predictions and say that there is an 85% success rate of them coming to fruition. I don't buy that for a fucking second. Some scientists have analyzed her predictions and said that there is an 85% success rate. I don't buy that for a second.

However, as with most clairvoyants, the success lies in the vagueness of the predictions. She even predicted her own death 11th of August 1996, and when that day came, she died of breast cancer at the age of 85. It's difficult to independently verify how early or precisely this prediction was made, but it is reported to have happened, at least.

But it's not all been a success for Baba Vanga. She predicted a nuclear war between 2010 and 2016, and she also claimed that Europe would cease to exist by 2016, which has not come to pass. Yeah, she just makes stuff up. Forget that. Yeah, I mean, but an 85% success rate from scientists? I need to look into that. That can't be right.

That can't be right. There's no science to that. If she's vaguely like, oh, the US economy will blah, blah, blah. It's like, oh, well, it did drop a little bit for this period of time. Like, yeah, no, no way. But predicting a nuclear war between 2010 and 2016 is pretty specific. Yeah, she reached for the stars sometimes and like fell. She's been in generic stuff. Yeah, she's mixing that in with the generic stuff. She had a stargate.

This is the quote from her. Horror, horror. She was very theatrical. Horror, horror. The American brethren will fall after being attacked by the still birds. The wolves will be howling in a bush and innocent blood will be gushing. So obviously she referred to bush there as well as still birds. Oh, a bush. Look at that. I know a bush. Yep. Still birds. Again, still birds. She was just copying Nostradamus, I think. The wolves will be howling in a bush. What a strange woman. Pretty cool. Baba Vanga.

Sounds like a John Wick character. I also laughed pretty hard when you were talking about her being maimed. Why? I don't know. It's just funny.

I'm evil. Yeah. At this point, I'm just evil. I'm embracing it. I can't help it. People are saying that that's a really normal thing, though, in the comments, which I'm very glad to see because I thought it wasn't normal. But I have a very strong urge to laugh whenever I see things I hate or don't like. It's a very normal reaction. Don't worry. Yeah, that's good. All right. Now you can talk about aliens. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on.

I just want to mention that before we get to that, that whole because I started reading about that passport thing, like the one that was supposedly just found outside. OK, so the passport of Satom Al Sukami, the guy who the passport that was found, a passerby picked it up and gave it to an NYPD detective shortly before the World Trade Center towers collapsed.

How on earth would the passport have gotten out? This is, and apparently according to like the DOD, it is officially taken in as evidence because they used his evidence as like Al Qaeda doctoring the passport, like moving it up. So it doesn't exist. How on God's earth does the passport get from the plane to,

to the not yet collapsed building to someone on the ground who hands it to a detective. I feel like that has to be like some. I don't know. That's so weird. But anyway, yeah, continue. If it's corroborated by the DOD, it has to be true. Yeah, I don't know. Anyway, continue.

How could we possibly talk about conspiracy theories and not bring up aliens? The cockpit recordings from the four planes have not been released, which has added more fuel to the theory that the reason they are kept secret is because the voices heard are not human, but aliens. Who fucking researched and wrote this? What is happening? I fucking like it. I fucking like it, dude.

Why they would do this, I don't have an explanation for. But those who believe think that the government knew of aliens' existence and covered up the fact that the destruction was caused by extraterrestrial beings. There are actual people that believe aliens were piloting the planes that crashed into the Twin Towers. Like they flew all the way across the galaxies just to pilot a Boeing 757 into the World Trade Center. It is not known if they acted independently or if they hated them.

El Caida the invader from Zeta Reticuli he's from the Middle Eastern galaxy yeah just collaborating with a fucking terrorist organization

For fun, I guess. I don't know. Aliens always come up. It's always going to be a staple of these conspiracy episodes. They need to show up at least once. Jokes aside, let's end this episode by remembering the countless people's lives were changed by 9-11. Excluding the hijackers, 2,977 people died as a result of the 9-11 attacks. They all had families and loved ones who still miss them to this day, 23 years later.

Thousands more were injured, and in the years after the attacks, many died as a result of that day. From lung conditions due to smoke and dust exposure, medical authorities found that 1,140 people who were around lower Manhattan that were exposed to toxins at Ground Zero have been diagnosed with cancer. There are still over 1,000 victims from that day that are still unidentified, but the office of the chief medical examiner in New York City have said they still remain dedicated to identifying every victim no matter how long it takes.

1,400 rescue workers and firefighters who bravely risked their own lives at the scene past days and months after the attack. They're remembered, rightly so, as American heroes. There are too many heroes from that day to name, but they live on in the minds of those they helped. They're loved ones and they're honored in many memorials dedicated to that day. We saw this quote from George Bush at the time. We saw that Americans were vulnerable but not fragile.

that they possess a core strength that survives the worst that life can bring. We learned that bravery is more common than we imagined. True. Yeah. Yeah, it was a tragedy. But again, the amount that Americans came together after that was inspiring. Honestly, it's like the most united the United States have probably ever been, which is crazy. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Sure. Yep. Yeah. Okay. So that's going to do it for this episode. How, like, yeah, I think we're all in agreeance, right? No,

9-11 was not an inside job, in my opinion, like Isaiah has said in the episode. I think the most logical thing is that there was information on an expected attack, but it didn't receive scrutiny. If you look at intelligence warnings, there were so many different warnings that Al-Qaeda was going to attack the US, but that was coming all the time from every direction. We knew that there was going to be an attack of some kind, and this one slipped through the cracks. Did it do that out of negligence or out of spy

Probably negligence, but again, the only thing I'm willing to believe is that the CIA saw an opportunity and let it slip by. But even then, I don't think anything of this scale was remotely imagined. Honestly, what they probably wanted to happen, if anything, was they prevent one at the last minute to justify involvement in the Middle East. Yeah, I could see that. Yeah. Yeah, I think that sums it up, really. There's just no evidence to the contrary. There's no evidence...

that really paints a picture of American knowledge of the event, or American orchestration of the events. That's just insane. Yeah, there's also a ton of other conspiracies about different countries' involvement and stuff. There's a bunch around, if we're going to crazy conspiracies, there's a bunch around Israel being involved or knowing stuff, but then all of that. Every time you look into one of those, it's just like there were a few people who like...

acted suspicious afterwards, but nothing pointing towards an entire agency or something like that. The biggest ones are around the United States, intelligence, knowing, or of course, aliens, as we've discussed. So, I mean, there's...

Where is the theory that New Zealand orchestrated this? If we're talking about other countries, how wild would that be if like just some, some no, not nobody. Random. Yeah. Just a random friendly country orchestrated this for no reason. New Zealand. Is that an actual? I'm about to find out. Oh my God. If this is a conspiracy.

Transform, the global impact Well now I'm seeing stuff about like 9-11 results It's a bunch of stuff about New Zealand Talking about changing security Post 9-11, that's not what I want New Zealand No, I don't think there's a single theory around this So New Zealand is getting off scot-free It makes sense September 11th Good for them Yeah

Alright, well, while Isaiah researches that... I'll come up with one. I'll find one. I'll make it happen. You put the theory out there. You create it. I can make it happen. Give me some time. That's going to do it for this episode of Red Thread. Thank you very much for joining us for this week's episode.

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