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Cem Karsan: What’s Really Driving This Market Boom?

2024/11/19
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Key Insights

Why did the market rally post-election in 2024?

The post-election rally was driven by the removal of fear and uncertainty, leading to a structural bid for downside protection and insurance in the market. This, combined with year-end rebalancing and positive seasonality, resulted in positive flows and a market surge.

What are the key structural flows driving market movements?

The key structural flows include the rebalancing of risk, decay of structured positions, and the movement of implied volatility. These flows are primarily driven by market-neutral positioning across banks, market makers, hedge funds, and other entities that warehouse risk.

How does the decay of structured positions affect market flows?

As structured positions decay over time, the hedging of that positioning needs to be unwound, leading to positive flows. This is similar to how insurance on a home needs to be renewed if the house doesn't burn down.

Why does the market have a positive skew?

The market always has a positive skew because the world is long and needs to hedge downside risk. This means that the majority of positioning is long the market with a focus on downside protection, leading to a consistent positive skew in the S&P 500.

What is the significance of rising volatility during a market rally?

Rising volatility during a rally indicates that dealers and market makers are no longer massively long volatility. This can signal a potential reversal as the reflexive buying and selling effects that compress volatility start to unwind.

What historical period is most analogous to the current market environment?

The period from 1968 to 1982 is most analogous to the current market environment. During this time, increasing interest rates, global conflict, and fiscal policy led to structurally inflationary periods and populist movements, similar to what we are seeing today.

How has 40 years of monetary policy influenced wealth distribution?

Over 40 years, monetary policy has led to significant wealth concentration at the top 1%. This is because monetary policy, such as QE, sends money to capital, which is not inflationary and leads to technological development and globalization, replacing labor and increasing corporate profits.

What is the potential impact of populism on global conflict?

Populism, characterized by protectionism and closed borders, can lead to global conflict. Historically, periods of populism have coincided with increased global tensions and conflict, as seen in the 1960s and 1970s with the Vietnam War and the Cold War.

What is the dispersion trade and how might it signal a market top?

The dispersion trade involves observing underperformance in market leaders like NVIDIA, which can signal a market top. This underperformance, or 'jaws,' often precedes a broader market decline and can be an early indicator of a potential reversal.

Chapters

Cem Karsan discusses the post-election market rally, attributing it to the removal of fear and structural flows, including rebalancing and seasonality.
  • Post-election market rally driven by the removal of fear and structural flows.
  • Structural bid to downside protection and insurance in the market leads to positive flows.
  • Rebalancing and re-leveraging at the end of the year contribute to positive market outcomes.

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Cem Karsan, founder of Kai Volatility, joins Ash to share his insights on the post-election market rally. With markets surging after November 2024's pivotal events, Cem explores the key economic factors driving this rally, highlights potential risks, and discusses what investors should keep an eye on.

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