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The Ecstasy of an Open Brain

2024/11/8
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Molly Webster: 本期节目介绍了神经科学家Gul Dolin及其团队的研究,该研究探索了大脑关键时期(critical periods)的概念及其与迷幻剂治疗脑部疾病的关系。研究发现,迷幻剂,如MDMA,可以重新开启大脑的关键时期,从而促进学习和康复。 Gul Dolin: 关键时期是大脑对环境特别敏感的时期,学习能力强。研究发现,青春期小鼠大脑对催产素更敏感,这表明存在社会奖励学习的关键时期。通过使用MDMA等迷幻剂,可以重新开启成年小鼠的社会奖励学习关键时期,使其能够像青少年一样从社会环境中学习。进一步的研究表明,并非MDMA的促社会行为是重新开启关键时期的原因,而是其作为迷幻剂的特性。各种迷幻剂,如LSD、psilocybin和ketamine,都具有类似的效果。 迷幻剂的作用机制在于,它们可以打开大脑的细胞层面,使神经元重新组织,从而创建新的模式和通路,促进学习和治愈。迷幻剂的疗效与药物作用的持续时间成正比,持续时间越长,关键时期开放的时间也越长。 目前,研究团队正在进行一项针对中风患者的临床试验,旨在利用迷幻剂延长关键时期的开放时间,并结合物理治疗,以改善中风患者的运动功能。研究还展望了迷幻剂在治疗其他脑部疾病(如创伤性脑损伤)方面的潜力。 Gul Dolin: 我的研究关注大脑关键时期,即大脑对环境特别敏感,学习能力强的时期。我们发现,青春期小鼠对社会环境的学习能力更强,这与人类的经验相符。我们利用小鼠模型研究了迷幻剂对关键时期重新开启的影响。实验结果表明,MDMA等迷幻剂可以重新开启成年小鼠的社会奖励学习关键时期,使其能够像青少年一样从社会环境中学习。 进一步的研究表明,迷幻剂的这种作用并非与其促社会行为有关,而是与其作为迷幻剂的特性有关。各种迷幻剂,如LSD、psilocybin和ketamine,都具有类似的效果。迷幻剂的作用机制在于,它们可以打开大脑的细胞层面,使神经元重新组织,从而创建新的模式和通路,促进学习和治愈。 迷幻剂的疗效与药物作用的持续时间成正比。我们正在进行一项针对中风患者的临床试验,旨在利用迷幻剂延长关键时期的开放时间,并结合物理治疗,以改善中风患者的运动功能。这项研究具有重大的临床意义,因为它为治疗各种脑部疾病提供了新的途径。

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What are critical periods in the brain?

Critical periods are windows of time when the brain is highly sensitive to its environment, allowing for rapid and deep learning. These periods close as we age, locking in certain behaviors and skills.

Why are critical periods important for learning?

During critical periods, the brain is like a sponge, absorbing information and forming lasting connections. This makes learning during these times exceptionally effective and impactful.

How do psychedelics affect critical periods in the brain?

Psychedelics can reopen critical periods, allowing the brain to become more sensitive and adaptable, similar to how it behaves during early life stages.

Why is the context important when using psychedelics for therapeutic purposes?

The context in which psychedelics are used determines which critical periods are reopened. For example, using MDMA in a social context reopens the social learning critical period, which is crucial for treating conditions like PTSD.

What are the potential benefits of reopening critical periods with psychedelics?

Reopening critical periods could lead to significant improvements in treating conditions such as PTSD, depression, and even stroke. It allows for the reconfiguration of neural pathways, enabling new learning and healing.

What are the risks associated with reopening critical periods?

Reopening critical periods makes individuals highly vulnerable and suggestible, similar to children. This could expose them to harmful influences or lock in negative behaviors if not carefully managed.

How does the duration of a psychedelic trip relate to the duration of the reopened critical period?

The length of the psychedelic trip correlates with how long the critical period remains open. For instance, a longer trip with Ibogaine can keep the critical period open for up to four weeks.

What are some potential applications of reopening motor critical periods?

Reopening motor critical periods could significantly aid in the recovery of stroke patients by allowing neurons to repurpose and relearn motor skills, potentially reducing long-term disability.

Are there limitations to how often psychedelics can be used to reopen critical periods?

Yes, there is evidence that the effectiveness of psychedelics in reopening critical periods diminishes after a certain number of uses, suggesting a finite number of times they can be beneficial.

What other diseases might benefit from the reopening of critical periods?

Beyond PTSD and stroke, conditions such as traumatic brain injury, cochlear implant adaptation, and other neurological disorders could potentially benefit from the reopening of critical periods facilitated by psychedelics.

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The episode introduces the concept of critical periods, which are specific windows of time when the brain is highly receptive to learning. These periods are crucial for acquiring skills and behaviors, but once they close, it becomes difficult to relearn or unlearn certain things.
  • Critical periods are windows of time when the brain can learn very fast and deeply.
  • Examples include imprinting behavior in geese, language learning, and vision.
  • Once these periods close, it's hard to relearn or unlearn certain behaviors.

Shownotes Transcript

As we grow up, there are little windows of time when we can learn very, very fast, and very, very deeply. Scientists call these moments, critical periods. Real, neurological, biological states when our brain can soak up information like a sponge. Then, these windows of learning close. Locking us in to certain behaviors and skills for the rest of our lives. But … what if we could reopen them? Today, we consider a series of discoveries that are reshaping our understanding of when and how we can learn. And what that could mean for things like PTSD, brain disease, or strokes. And cuddle puddles. It’s a mind-bending discussion. Literally and figuratively.*This is the second episode in an ongoing series hosted by Molly Webster, in conversation with scientists and science-y people, doing work at the furthest edges of what we know. You can find the first episode here. More to come! *

*Special thanks to Gül Dölen, at the University of California, Berkeley, along with researcher Romain Nardou. Plus, Charles Philipp and David Herman.*We have some exciting news! In the “Zoozve)” episode, Radiolab named its first-ever quasi-moon, and now it's your turn! Radiolab has teamed up with The International Astronomical Union to launch a global naming contest for one of Earth’s quasi-moons. This is your chance to make your mark on the heavens. Vote on your favorites starting in November: https://radiolab.org/moon)

**EPISODE CREDITS: **Hosted by - Molly WebsterReported by - Molly WebsterProduced by -Sindhu Gnanasambandan with help from - Timmy Broderick and Molly WebsterOriginal music and sound design contributed by - Dylan Keefewith mixing help from - Jeremy BloomFact-checking by - Emily Kriegerand Edited by  - Soren Wheeler

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Science Articles -

Gul’s 2019 paper: Oxytocin-dependent reopening of a social reward learning critical period with MDMA)  (https://zpr.io/wfQjeA6PGCBv)) on the feel-good brain chemical oxytocin, and how it reopens social reward learning when combined with MDMA.Gul’s 2023 paper): *Psychedelics reopen the social reward learning critical period *)(https://zpr.io/TKDKEwiLwGRN)) on the role of psychedelics in social reward learning. 

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