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Welcome to a great new episode of Politickin. We got the governor, Gavin Newsom, Marshawn B. Smode-Lynch in an undisclosed location. I won't tell you where you're at right now, Marshawn. But Gavin, let's start with you. How's your week? By the way, Doug, I didn't even think you were going to show up. So thanks for joining Marshawn and I today in this podcast. Yeah, we appreciate that, my boy. I've been on a three-day boondoggle. I've been in the great state of Oklahoma.

I did a pit stop in Arkansas and now I'm in Seattle where Marshawn made his name and whatnot. So my last three days, guys, consisted of crisscrossing the country from Oklahoma to Dallas to Arkansas, back to Fresno, back home. And now I'm in Seattle for some work. I'm working. I'm working. I'm working. Last time we checked in with you, how was your meeting at the White House, Gavin? Did you and Joe Biden have a drink together? What'd you guys do?

Oh, Marshawn, don't think we're starting here. I need to know now. Doug, we need to know, Marshawn. The hell is going on? This is it. This is the moment. Count that. No more BS. No more playing around. Are you in or not? Are we running for mayor of Oakland? This stuff just got very, very real.

And I'm not into a political response. I'm not into I'm thinking about I got a cabinet. I'm not into exploratory. How big is my cabinet going to be, man? I get like I get like I need at least 12.

Well, usually I need at least, no, I'm going to say 10 and I'll be the 11th one. That's my offensive line, my receivers, you know, maybe a tight end and a quarterback. So the cabinet's going to be, I love the cabinet's going to be the same damn size as the line, huh? Yeah, it's got to be. Yeah, we got to bring Michael Bennett over. We'll bring Richard Sherman over. We'll bring up. Mike Robb. Yep.

We got to get the squad going. All right. So now that you're naming. Josh is going to be my offensive coordinator and Marcus is going to be my. By the way, I'll take those guys over Trump's cabinet right now. Sorry to get political on you, but let's go back, Marshawn. Are you running or not? You know what? Today, this is going to be probably one of the only times I ever say, you know what I mean? The politics is really for politics.

But, hey, you a little hot. You a little salty, my boy. No, keep it funky, though, because we was talking earlier, and I'm just like, damn, Gavin. You know what I mean? It'd probably be a different world. The outlook on the world right now would be different if they would have put you in at the two-yard line and got you the ball. But we went with somebody else. They put another one. You know what I mean? They went with a different play. And then they threw an interception. Yeah.

on the tool. Marshawn, can Gavin be honest with you and I as his family and partners here and tell us really how that went down and what happened? Or Gavin, you can't really get into that right now, partner. I don't think he will. First of all, I've been doing this long enough to know. I just saw what happened. We all just heard what happened. Doug, you saw what happened. He didn't answer the damn question. Marshawn, are you running? I'm in. You're in. I'm in. I'm in.

I'm telling you, look, I told you, I got you right here. All I need is the blueprint. We're running out of time. You need more than a blueprint. You need signatures to get on the ballot. In loose signatures, we call it. You need filing fees. You need a campaign team. And you need to get prepared. We got some work to do. We got some work to do, Gavin. But we have time to get work done. Man, well, I'm finna do like the government do. I got back pay.

on some of these fees from all this bread that I've been putting into my community since 2003 or four. So I won't back pay from all of that. And then they could just use that to put toward my fees or it don't work like that. I don't know. Does it, Gavin?

We got a lot of work to do to figure this damn thing out. But, Marshawn, I'm not even messing around, man. I'm already getting calls from potential candidates for governors just checking in. Just checking in. What do you think? What are you hearing? Who's looking to run for governor? Mayor, rather. So what are your thoughts? What do you think the city really needs? So I'm just saying you're not going to have a lot of time to figure this out, man. We know what the city needs. They need you? Yeah.

The city meeting. Matter of fact, I'm on my way up there after I leave from Seattle. Well, Doug, we didn't get a straight answer from Marshawn. You said we didn't get no straight answer. What more straight, you know what I mean, can it be than the shit I'm in? I told you I'm going, uh...

I'll be there after I leave Seattle on Sunday. Yeah, so we're going to have a meeting, Gavin. I think we'll do a meeting maybe at my man cave on Sunday. How about that, Gavin? Are you there? Or is that a conflict of interest if I just come to the governor's house? No, no conflict of interest. This is how it works. People in politics hang out with people in politics that want to be in politics. We all get together. We compare notes, see how we can add value.

All right. This may have gotten real, very real. This is interesting. I'm like, this is interesting. Yeah, I know. It's very interesting. And we're going to tease everybody with this and then we're going to have a meeting on Sunday. But I love this. I'm trying to figure it out if he's serious. Now I think he's maybe serious, Doug. No, what you mean? I'm trying to figure it out. But this is serious. Marshawn, this is a couple hundred days away. Meaning this is when I say a couple hundred, I think it's 120 days away.

after they certify the recall. Well, this is the thing. As far as like the fees and all the red tape that motherfuckers used to go through, the motherfucker that's in the big office right now showed you that that ain't how we do shit no more out here. So all of that old school thinking of what the fuck was going on before, that shit is a thing of the past. And Big Dog just showed that when you let your nuts drop, some of that bullshit that be going on, that ain't really what a motherfucker want.

And then when they dropped the ball with not putting you in the game, coach, I don't know what the fuck they had going on there, but he just made it clear that, you know, certain shit,

That shit don't fly no more. It's a new wave. It's a new wave right now. We're in a new era. There's a lot of different type of shit that's going on and all of that shit. So, yeah, hell yeah. We got to come with the right strategic plan. So needless to say, Gavin, we're going to have a good meeting on Sunday. Me, you, and Marshawn. It just got a hell of a lot more interesting than watching football with you on Sunday. Well, Gavin, on that note, how was your week to D.C.? Before we get to the new segment of the questions –

that everyone's asked, which is some great ones. Quickly recap how your week to DC was. It was, I was 36 hours and got in, spent half the day, more than half the day. Was he asleep for more than half the day? No, I mean, it was, I spent most of the day at the white house just, and I say that I'm not saying that to impress anybody. I know it sounds ridiculous. You know, where'd you spend your day? The white house, but with intention, uh,

to address all kinds of issues to make sure that we locked things down for the state of California. Who'd be all at that meeting? Well, I mean, let's go through, I mean, from the chief of staff to, you know, national security advisor to, you know,

the senior advisors to OMB, which is the Office of Management Budget folks. I met with EPA folks, which Environmental Protection Agency folks. HHS was Health and Human Service, where RFK Jr., maybe the next HHS secretary, met with Interior, where my old friend Doug Bergman, the

Current governor out there in North Dakota, maybe the next interior secretary. So just met with all kinds of folks and then met with the president. Well, Gavin, do you like walk to the front door, ring the doorbell or you go on the backside? What the fuck you be talking about sometimes, bro? No, people don't want to know. You know what I will say, though? True story.

I forgot my ID. So I am lucky I got in. They don't screw around. I just did have my ID. They're like, sir, where's your ID? And I'm like, don't have it. And it became like a whole damn thing. Extended secondary. You know, we didn't get out of the car. We had the dogs run around the car. Finally, I found something in my cell phone that we were able to give those. They don't screw around at the White House. That's like when I go out the country and I have to go to all this secondary and third dairy business.

We need to talk about my past.

Some of the inkings on my shit. We need to go take care of that. Marshawn, we don't have nine hours right now, Marshawn. Shut the fuck up, dude. If this guy's running for mayor, we may need to know a little bit more about him. Jesus, why are you in tertiary screening? Man, after what I just told you, after what we just watched this motherfucker do, I don't think... No one cares. It shouldn't matter. But I'm just saying, when I try to cross the borders getting out of the country, they...

I get flagged.

who's literally just a morning Fox news guy. So he, he's kind of looks the part. He's got some good looking tattoos, I guess. And, and so Trump said, Hey, that's my defense secretary to lead the world's most fierce and proud military. So he's, he's a guy you, you got Gates to your point who resigned from Congress before the ethics committee report can come out because Trump

Reports don't come out for ex-Congressmen, and it was about to come out on the allegations that you just suggested as it relates to underage girls and drug use. They only know more, Sean. No, I just got regular shit. All that weird ass shit. I ain't for all that, man. These are allegations. There was an independent review, and the Speaker of the House, Johnson, saying, as a man of total objectivity and faith,

and devotion to decency and the principles and the foundations of the Ten Commandments said we're not going to allow that ethics report to be public. So he reformed something is what you're talking about? No, I'm saying he preaches a lot, but he sure as hell doesn't seem to be practicing here as it relates to trying to hide some of the facts of an ethics report. If there's nothing to hide, he should release the ethics report. He's not doing it. But you got all that, and then you got the guy who

You know, it believes in a lot of conspiracy theories across the spectrum of issues. And RFK Jr. is being proposed for HHS secretary. You got Kristi Noem, the South Dakota governor, to be head of Homeland Security. Don't even get me started there. It's a hell of a group. So you talk to me about Bennett and...

And Sherman, I'm feeling pretty good about Oakland right now. That's why I was saying that. I sound like I need to say, you know, the mayor shit is cool, but I probably need to go to the White House and go get a job up there. Hey, Gavin, since Trump hasn't called you back, you leave a little post-it note saying, hey, Donald or President, call me when you get in or on the chair or something like that? Just when he came in.

I, uh, it was a hell of, I will say just spending time, uh, with Biden comparing and contrasting, uh, our notes in terms of how he felt about the election. So I, all this stuff I can't share. God, I wish I could share. Well, you have a safe space here, Gavin. This is a circle of trust. Yeah, no, I trust me. I'm so tempted, but, uh, it was, uh, it was a hell of a thing, uh, to, to be able to spend time with them in an honest, in, in, in,

It put it this way, an unfiltered, honest discussion about not just what's happened, but what he needs to do in the next 70 days and what we need to do in California in the next 70 days to lock things down before Trump gets into office. Because this stuff got very, very real very, very quickly. Did you ever tell Biden, hey, Joe, I'm president, you have an unbelievable career. Just like when you're done, just go, you move to an island somewhere or go to a fishing village in Portugal. Anything like that? You think he shuts it down and just disappears or what?

Not a chance. He's hardwired for public service. Been at it for half a century. And it's in his blood. Yeah, I was about to say, that nigga can't just leave. He got hella secrets and shit they need to know where he at at all times. They have to activate that nigga like the KGB or something. Say that secret word and he start turning into a robot. You know what I mean? They bring his ass back. Hardly that.

Yeah, they bring his ass back when he need it. Well, Gavin, there was a, by the way, there was something in the media that someone saw you getting on the plane, carrying your own bag, sitting in the middle seat in economy. Is that all true, Gavin, on Alaska Airlines? No, it is not all true. I was in a window seat, not a middle seat. Okay, sorry. And I wasn't finally, I'm a Southwest kid, so I thought it was like a luxury liner.

I think it was Alaska or something. I had like a, you know, row 29 F or so. It was beautiful. Anybody yell at you on the plane? It was only one person. So it was a great day. It was amazing. Only one. It was fabulous. Literally yell. He just rolled his eyes and shook his head. And he and his wife were deeply offended. I was, I wanted to come back and hug him and say, I'm sorry. I, you know, but you know, I missed him on the way out.

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All right, well, listen, why don't we go to some of the questions we've got asked? Gavin, I appreciate that. Next time you're on a flight, bring Marshawn with you. Trust me, no one's going to say a damn word to you. Believe me on that. Yeah, you and I were on a flight. You know you didn't stop me. Hey, Marshawn, like Mike Tyson, I got some hands to steal, baby. Or is that Roberto Duran? I'll throw down if I need to. Don't back me in a corner, Marshawn. You know that. I'm a fighter.

the young back of fighter in the corner, they come out swinging. I love this. So people, one of the things we're doing, which I think is great. And it's great to be able to check in on, on the audience and folks listening. We were able to get a bunch of, of emails, folks that wanted to ask some questions. We solicited that last week. And, and Doug, you got, I think you got the handful of them. I am going to be Ernie Johnson. I got Shaq to my left. I got Barkley to my right. I will be the moderator, Gavin. Okay. Round mound. I'm not sure who was Shaq or who was Barkley, but, um,

Here's the first question I got from Tom. I can't vote yet, but as a Democrat, I've noticed that my peers, male athletes, are drifting towards Trump views. At school, boys my age hear a lot about empowering girls, but not much about boys. It seems like Trump is filling a vacuum. His emphasis on strength, winning, and dominance is appealing to boys my age and young men in college. What can we do to reverse this trend? I think that's for you, Gavin.

No, no. Marshawn, I want you to... No, I knew you was going to try to do that shit. Hell no. No, that's a good question. Anything that come through with Trump, that is meant for you because...

We kind of hot with you too, because you didn't go and run for president. No, no, but it's, it's a, by the way, the question is framed beautifully and it's deeply accurate. And we've talked, I think a little bit of last week, right on the pod, we talked a little bit about this sort of manosphere. We talked about all these bro plot podcasts and some, I think I read some article that suggested, aren't we one of those bro podcasts ourselves, but there, there is something about, you know, he talks about power and dominance and aggression and,

And for a lot of young kids, they're feeling unmoored. Men in particular, young boys, lack a sense of meaning and purpose and mission. And so that strength, that sort of masculinity that is exuded by a lot of these podcasters and in that quote unquote manosphere.

connects to people. And you've seen this crisis of belonging. It's been a trend line for the last few decades as it relates to what's happening with men all across this country. And you've seen that at graduation rates, suicide rates. You're seeing it in deaths of despair, people that are overdosing, drug use, alcohol use.

the disproportionate impacting men and boys. So it is a legitimate crisis in the country. And the question is, what's the prescription to address it? Is it that what some perceive is the toxicity of Trump, others would disagree? Or is it trying to sort of align with what Trump may be selling, which clearly worked in this election? Yeah.

I'm not sure if you answered that question, Gavin, but I appreciate the... You said a whole bunch of words, motherfucker. That was not a lot of words. All right, so, Marshawn, this is for you. This is from Justin in Oklahoma. Marshawn, I'm a freshman in college playing football. I have dreams about playing in the NFL. I admire the beast mode brand that you have built. What advice can you give me on how to build my brand? It's a great question, Gavin. As cliche as it sounds, it's...

Don't build a brand. Build yourself and let your brand become of what you build. Say that again, Marshawn. That's a great. What'd you say right there? Damn, Doug. Rewind it. Motherfucker, I forgot what I said. When you freestyle, then this shit just come off the dome. I apologize. You know what I mean? No, but I said.

I can't wait for your state of the city, Marshawn. This is going to be fun. Oh, man, that motherfucker going to be immaculate. I don't want no, no, no. What is that? Flash cards or none of that shit. But no, it's don't build a brand. Just, you know what I mean? Be yourself and let your brand build itself. So that way it's always authentic, you know what I mean, to who you are. And that way you ain't never got to look over your shoulder to make sure that you got to check all these boxes and all that other shit. I love it. But, man, I really do appreciate when...

when the youth asked me that question, because I think, you know, rather than just hearing me say it when they put it into a form like that, I think it means more to them. And I think we get I think they take a lot more out of it. Okay.

By the way, Doug, that was next level. And I couldn't agree more. And it's, you know, and here's the politician talk. And I talk about all the time, your expression's unique. No one else has it. Learn from, don't follow others. This idea, everyone wants to be like someone else, but then they're derivative of someone else, meaning they're not being their authentic self. And so if you're trying to be someone else, you'll get exposed. And so building a great brand, the reason Beast Mode, reason Marshawn Lynch is Marshawn Lynch is

is because it just exudes authenticity. And I think that's just such a great, great, great thing that Marshawn just said. I hope every young person's listening to. I like that a lot because it was like, I went up one and then you went up three. Here's another one. This is from Christina. You trying to one-up me, Batman? I ain't one-upping you, bro. I'm doubling down for you, my friend. There's another one, another one, Gavin. I

I voted for Kamala because she is pro-choice, believes in climate change as a real thing, and I'm not a big fan of Trump. Other than that, I actually think Trump is more aligned with our everyday concerns about the economy, public safety, and border security. Given this, if the Republicans field a nicer guy than Trump, how can we avoid a bigger landslide in 28? Yeah, well, oh, in 28, looking forward. No, I think we got our work cut out for us. Because there's you, right?

I saw just by the way, there was a bunch of polls just out today that says, you know, Republicans overwhelmingly think crime's increasing. They think unemployment is a 50 year high. They think inflation is still raging. When we know inflation substantially tame, we're at a 50 year low in unemployment and crime continues to drop significantly.

and dropped significantly in the last few years. So people feel very, very differently. On the border as well, we're not seeing border crossings. They're about as low as they've been in the last three and a half, almost four years. That is not to excuse the inflation scars the last three, four years, or to exclude what happened as it relates to the border crossings the last three and four years. So when you get in office in 28, what you going to do? No, but the...

I will say the economic thing is the most frustrating. And if you want a little bit of more of what I was talking to the president about 48 hours ago, it was around the economy and that disconnect between how people feel and the performance of this administration. We have the lowest black unemployment, lowest unemployment for women, lowest unemployment for people with disabilities, lowest unemployment in 50 years. We have the lowest uninsured rate in our lifetime. We have one of the fastest,

business startups, business boom that we've ever had in our lifetime. You've got an economic strategy that's worker-centered as it relates to bringing supply chains home, manufacturing and industrial policy, the Chips and Science Act, as well as the IRA as it relates to transition policy and making sure that we're more energy independent. All of those things

are things that we thought would be persuasive in this election on the economy. And obviously we fell short. So I don't know if you caught any of that nonsense, except to say we got work to do. Another question from Sean in Colorado said, and that's a great follow-up. Why is the market so convinced that the economy is going to do well under Trump? Why is the market doing better now since he got elected?

Well, hold on. I mean, the market, we had record-breaking stock market over and over and over and over again under the Biden administration. And over and over and over again? And over. That's right, my brother. Over and over and over and over. So the markets for the last year, your 401k for the last year, record-breaking. Over.

Over and over. And of course, it went up again a little bit after it was actually surged a couple of days after the day after the election. But but it already was peaking for the last later letter part of the last year. So I think there's two things. But I will say just the substance of the series of the question. I think some of it was expectations on regulatory policy, regulatory rollbacks and then tax policy as it relates to extending the tax credits further.

But beyond me, with the tariffs that are coming and beyond me, as it relates to any other economic framework that the president has advanced, because I don't know what it is. It's got the form and substance of fog. Forgive me. And now standing like a damn politician. Well, I got another one for you, Gavin. You are a politician. I'm going to circle back to you more, Sean. I am a politician. This is from Deborah. Many women are terrified now more than ever about the reproductive freedom of

running the state that is so pro-women and protects women's rights to choose, etc. How do you tackle these issues with the president? Is there any chance we lose our access to reproductive freedoms? Yeah, there's a chance.

There was no chance in my lifetime, in our lifetime, we'd see Roe versus Wade overturned. And Donald Trump made sure that happened with the Dobbs decision. He's the father of the Dobbs decision. So how is there a chance? Explain that to us. Donald Trump is the reason that Roe v. Wade was overturned. It's the reason that one in every five women that had to get an abortion last year had to get out of their own state. He's the reason tens of thousands of women who were raped...

were pregnant, many of them that had to bring their baby to term. He's the reason a 13-year-old was clutching her teddy bear as she was giving birth in Louisiana to a rapist baby.

That's Donald Trump. So the question is very serious. So they just, so hold on. So how does that work? They just say like, like, oh, I want to get abortion. And they just say, no, you can't have an abortion. You cannot have it regardless of rape and incest to many. But why is they telling them that they can't have an abortion? Like power control over women, control over women's bodies. I mean, cause I, if you just go into, and I mean, clearly I don't,

But if they go into the clinic or to the doctor and they're like, hey, I'm having a situation. I don't want to have this baby. And the doctor would just be like, no. Says the doctor does it, puts his, not just his license on the line, but could be prosecuted, can be arrested. So you have doctors that can be arrested. Women, there's certain states, Marshawn, get this, where it's illegal for the woman to leave the state.

to access an abortion if she's underage. So they're banning travel.

They're not just banning abortions in some states. That is brought to you by Donald Trump. Now, that said, let me be fair. Good people can disagree. And I understand the religious framework and I understand people that believe in the right to life. And I respect that. But under Roe v. Wade, that was the whole point. I respect your right to decide for yourself. And it sure as hell shouldn't be a bunch of guys that are determining the fate of young women.

And so I take this seriously. And I think the question is a scary one because realistically, we don't know. Donald Trump in the past said women should be criminalized for having an abortion. Donald Trump in the past suggested that he would support a national abortion ban. Many of his biggest supporters like Lindsey Graham, Senator Graham support a national abortion ban. No few of us have confidence that if they pass a national abortion ban, he won't sign it. He says he won't.

But he said a lot of things in the past. I don't trust him at all. But Gavin, can he, can he, does he have the power to go to each state and tell each state they can't do an abortion? No, well, he, well, he could, they could do a national abortion ban. He's, they control both houses of Congress. He said in the past, he would support one. He said in the past, he thinks women should be criminalized that have an abortion.

He said all kinds of crazy things in the past. By the way, I take them much more literally than most. That's why we're being prepared. And it goes back to the question. And let me be serious about the question. And forgive me for getting all intense about this. It's just, this is such serious stuff. I mean, this is happening in the United States of America in 2024, but they, I worry about this thing called the Comstock Act.

which is about access to medical abortion, meaning access to pills, morning after pills. I worry about being prepared for that. And so states like California are taking that very seriously. I've got some ideas around more work we could do with an executive order. We already went to the ballot a couple of years ago and we enshrined in our state constitution, the right for reproductive care, reproductive freedom.

And we're doing everything in our power to protect doctors, to protect patients themselves, privacy, and making sure we're not sharing with outside state attorney generals for criminal prosecution. So we're going to do everything in our power to protect women and girls. And there's not a state in America, not one. There's a lot of great leaders of great states outside.

protecting women and girls but there's not a state like california doing more at the backs of women so let me ask you a question as your position is as governor right how how often is it that you were like okay you know you probably hear the shit through social media the studies and yeah i mean the reports and all of that how often is it that you'll just be like you know what fuck it

Let me go to a clinic where these women have actually been turned away and actually talk to the people who really go through this type of shit and really just sit down with them and like, "I don't know. I'm trying to make my case because I want to be heard when I go talk about actually to understand what the fuck is going on, how that really affects them and what's really going on."

I mean, that sounds like some serious ass shit to the point where, like, if I just look at some studies or some numbers or something and it's like, okay, this number, this number. And then the doctors as well, because, I mean, I know that shit take a toll on them, too. They see this shit coming in. But then, you know, you talk about these individuals who, these women that have been raped and, you know, had gotten pregnant and everything.

Like the like the mental mindset that they have, like how often is it that you will go out and actually talk to these individuals to see like our fuck the numbers and all of that shit? Let me hear right from the horse's mouth on what's really going on and how it's really affecting you as a person. Great question, Marshawn. Marshawn, that is the right question. That's what we do all the time. That's how we shape policy on reproductive care in California. It's exactly what we do.

We meet with folks that have been impacted, rape and incest. We meet folks that had miscarriages that needed emergency care. We meet with people that literally almost lost their life because they were bleeding out

and doctors didn't know what to do in some of these other states. We don't just read the stories. They come in and they sort of testify to that human expression. But with all due respect to the other side, and I say this with love to those that disagree, I don't hear them sitting down with some of these women. I don't hear people, I've never heard of Donald Trump sitting down with a woman who was raped and try to listen and express some empathy and compassion for her experience

Life, not once has he ever done that. So it's why I get a little indignant to sort of spare me that this guy has your back

women and girls that he gives a day. I mean, seriously, spare me. It's all about him. And again, I don't want to be, I know we always, we're failing. I'm not talking about Trump, but this is why we're doing the special session in California. This is why I've taken so seriously what's going on. This is why I'm grateful for that question. And sorry to be so intense about this, but

Got to have women's back, man. This is a serious moment. You know, my mama is like, you know, that's my heart. That's my rock. And you feel me? If somebody was to put my mama in a position where, you know what I mean, they took away her rights in order to live, you know what I mean, a good life, like, we got problems. I ain't worried about no laws and all that other type of shit. Like, you got me fucked up. We going to have to do something like what the old school do.

And then, you know, like, you know, my motto, fuck you. We're going to get on some shit. But damn, that's, you know what I mean? Here's another one for both you guys. I admire you and Marshawn for always speaking and doing what you think is right. Gavin, when you legalized gay marriage, everyone was telling you not to do it. You went with your heart and did it. How stressful was that back in the day?

to do that as mayor? - A sports frame, the beginner's mind, I didn't know what I didn't know. I think it was Roger Branister that broke the four minute mile 'cause he didn't know what he didn't know. He didn't know that the human body didn't move that fast in four minutes. The point was I was new as a mayor and I thought it was the right thing to do. And then what unfolded after that revealed itself in ways that I had

anticipated and not anticipated on the basis that I didn't have the experience. So I think there's something wonderful about being new, having a new mindset. But I will say that it was challenged to navigate because my own party

came down on me. My own party attacked me. My own party questioned what I was doing. And for those of you that don't even remember this, the black and white movies in 2004 in the winter of love, not the summer of love in San Francisco, we married 4,036 couples from 46 states and six countries around the world.

And the amazing thing about it was it was nothing amazing about it. Meaning couples came, they were your brother, your uncle, your aunts, your uncle. I mean, you name it. The normality of it is what was so striking. It was airline pilots. It was construction workers. It was nurses. It was doctors. It was judges. It was lawyers. And they came there and all they wanted was to say those two fucking magic words, I do. And for that-

They were castigated and they were looked down upon. And so we thought it was the right thing to do in 2004. And we started a conversation and there was a lot of conversation in my direction attacking that action. I still deal with that today. But again, you know, back to you, Doug, saying how many damn summers we have left.

in our lives. Don't treat me regretting, put it out there on the line. Do what you think is right. Do what you believe in brand beast mode, be your damn self. Well, Gavin is follow up to that question. Um,

Did you think at the time, I mean, you obviously probably had higher aspirations, but back then when you did that, did you think like, this could be done politically, but doing the right thing is what I'm here for. So I don't really care what my future is. This is the right thing to do. Because a lot of people would have done that. I had an intervention. My father, members of my family, some of his close friends had an intervention that

right before I did it saying, don't do it. They said, this is going to end your political career. You just got elected because I just got elected. They said, do this on your way out. Don't start your political career. I remember in California, I don't know what the number was, but I think it was like 30% of folks support. I mean, it was not quote unquote popular. I just thought it was the right thing to do.

And I thought it was also unconstitutional not to allow same-sex couples to get married. And so, no, I thought I was toast. I swear to you, I thought I was toast politically, but I was like, you know what?

So what? I go back to work, private, whatever. Life's too short. And I hate, I hate, nothing worse. I said to myself, I remember I'd keep, and I tell myself all the time, I don't want to be one of those politicians that could have, would have, should have, that's on some panel after they're retired.

wishing they had done something, particularly as it relates to trying to bring people together, which was the idea there to strengthen families, to give people the ability to live their lives as we said out loud. So I was proud of it. Well, Gavin, I know your dad very well. Rest in peace, Bill. Love you up there. Was it hard when he met with you and you as a son said, dad, I appreciate the advice, but you know what? I thank you, but I'm not doing that.

Yeah, old Irish Catholic family. He used to, when he was a kid, he went to church every single morning and not once a week or not at Christmas, every single day. So he grew up in that frame and traditional marriage, marriage between a man and a woman. And so he appreciated that I thought it was the right thing to do, but he's worried about his son.

And he's like, you know, you're a relatively young politician. I was in my 30s. And he's like, why the hell would you throw it all out for this? You got all these other things you wanted to do. Why would you start like this? And so he was legitimately concerned. But I swear to God, one of the great memories of my life was quietly walking in the back

of City Hall when there were couples all around City Hall getting married. And I snuck in with a baseball hat and my dad. So no one even knew I was downstairs. Man, they knew you was there. You a 6'5 white boy running around with baseball shoulder. They know who the hell you was out there. Snuck in the back, Marshawn. True story. And he starts walking around and he sees...

Basically, neighbors. It was none of the cliches you would think. It wasn't like some parade or something, the way people talk about the Folsom Street parade. You get the images. And literally, those images and the joy and to see families, like literally kids of the people getting married or their parents getting

and seeing these kids and to see the joy, he completely flipped. And then he became an advocate because he was a judge for giving me more legal advice, saying we got to continue to fight this and help to shape our legal strategy. That's awesome. It was amazing to see him evolve on that.

So, Marshawn, here's one for you. It's from Tim in Tacoma. Marshawn, I'm your biggest fan. I've loved you since you got to Seattle. Do you have any regrets about walking away from Seattle and going to Oakland? None. None. None at all. Because I didn't walk away from Seattle to go to Oakland. I walked away because I was done playing football.

And then when, like you were just saying, don't want to be one of them shoulda, coulda, wouldas. And when I heard that the Raiders was going to actually leave Oakland, that was what made me go back to play for the Raiders. So I could say I was one of the last individuals from Oakland that could actually say that they played for the Raiders.

Oakland writers. Okay. I love it. I love it. Hey, Marshawn, by the way, I never asked you this. When you retired, quote unquote, from football as a Seahawk, didn't you post something about your cleats? Well, let me back up, Gavin. Before Marshawn answered the question. In fact, Gavin, actually, I was with you at the Super Bowl, remember? And at Santa Clara, we were at their Super Bowl. I think it was Denver and Carolina.

And you and I were at the game, and my phone started buzzing and blowing up. And you see Marshawn. So Marshawn infamously threw his cleats on top of the wires in Oakland. And my phone blew up. He retired on Super Bowl Sunday. Take me through that, Marshawn.

By the way, you ruined my day, but I hope your day was good. Well, I mean, you know, I was back, you know, at my grandma's house and, you know, I had them. I had the cleats and they was actually some cleats that I had that I was going to play in last Super Bowl. And they had gold on them and gold.

They got the uniform police came out and was like, hey, if you wear them cleats, we're going to kick you out the game. And I'm like, what do you mean you're going to kick me out the game? If you wear them cleats, we're going to kick you out the game. So I had to go and put some different spikes on. So when they did the Super Bowl 50 and they made it, I guess it was like the 50th.

anniversary or the 50th Super Bowl or something like that. And it was all gold. So everybody had gold, everything. So I'm like, man, what the fuck? Like, you just told me that I wasn't going to be able to play in the game. You was going to bench me if I wore some spikes that had gold cliques at the bottom. And then you're going to make the whole Super Bowl 50 gold everything. So I was looking at them damn shoes like, man, fuck.

I said, yeah. Well, I knew I was done, but I was like, well, shit, what you doing in the hood when you, you know what I mean? You done ran them shoes all the way down to the rubber, to no more rubber with the holes at the bottom. You take them, you time, and you throw them on the telephone wire. And that took me about like, say about like,

Maybe 15 tries to get them up there, but when they landed, I mean, I took the picture and I threw the doses. I don't know how viral that went, but I don't know how many views or whatever, but that was obviously off the charts, which, Gavin, leads me to the next question here. No, it leads me to this question. Here's a simple, it's a questionnaire. This is what you got to prepare for.

As mayor of Oakland, would you fine someone for throwing cleats up on a wire, a public wire? Would you, sir? Yes or no? Simple question. Simple question.

No. I like it. I like it. It's the right answer under the circumstances. I mean, if it's for retirement after the Super Bowl, after they tell you, fuck you, Marshawn, you can't wear gold cleats, and then the next year you go make the whole fucking thing about gold, everything. I said, man, fuck. And I was like, damn, maybe I should go to the game and just try to steal everything fucking gold that they got because they had gold gloves, gold cleats, gold fucking towels.

Bows, wristbands, all kind of shit. And I'm like, what the fuck? All right. Some bullshit. So, Gavin, so this is funny. This question, before I get this question, my daughter called me the other day. I'll give a shout out to Jaden at Cal Poly Volleyball. How you doing, Jaden?

In any event, she talks about all your TikTok stuff. So the question was, we've had a million questions about Gavin's status online, including his nickname as American Psycho's Patrick Bateman and being called Zaddy. You're in the New York Times style section. They're calling you the vampire to save the party.

So Gavin, how do you feel about your zaddy status? Have you seen all the memes online and TikTok posts about you? What does that even mean? What does it mean? Doug, what does zaddy mean? Marshawn?

You're in the know. I don't know, but you know you're famous on TikTok. So how do you feel about that, Gavin? Only reason I know I'm famous on TikTok, I was shopping for my daughter at the Gap and a bunch of teenagers come up and said, are you? And I'm like, what the hell is this? And then they literally start flipping through their TikTok and I start seeing some of that stuff. But I don't know how it's a compliment that I'm some vampire or some American psycho. That doesn't work for me.

I don't understand it. I just don't understand it. I don't know about American Psycho and Vampire, but Zaddy... Why are you laughing? What does it mean? It just means Daddy. They looking for you. They want you, cuz. They on your bumper right now. But Gavin, you're all over TikTok, bro. And they talked about your nice white shirts on the style section. They talked about your crisp blue suits and whatnot. So...

I dress for you guys today. It's the same damn suit. By the way, I got to be honest with you. They talked about our podcast, guys, right? No one said the good-looking Doug Hendrickson, the attractive Doug Hendrickson. They talked about Gavin's sex symbol, good-looking, all that. No one mentioned me. I don't know what's going on, Gavin. Bro, can we call him a zaddy as well, or is that inappropriate, Marshawn? I don't know. Yes, that's very inappropriate.

I guess someone else has to do that. Sorry, brother. Sure. Sorry, Doug. Here's another one. Gavin, there's been a ton of stuff talking about the Menendez brothers. We saw the new DA come into office. Any updates on what's going to happen with the infamous brothers, uh,

That are in jail. So interesting. No BS. One of the reasons I sadly am in my suit is today is parole day. So I go through my paroles. I've got some commutations. We did some pardons last week for Veterans Day. I need a couple of pardons too. I knew you'd say that.

Send him a text, Marshawn. Send him a text. You got a free to home team. And so this is, you know, it's Thanksgiving. We tend to do around this time of year. So it is the Menendez file, which is now a little thicker because we did deeper research in the last 10 days.

That's all on my desk. And I'll be literally getting a lot of it today. But let me just say a couple of things. You do have a new DA. The current DA who's about to be replaced was not reelected, who was the one who recommended the resentencing of the Menendez brothers. And I think it's the right thing to do.

to hear from the new DA before I make any decisions. And so I'll be deferring to his review, his analysis and recommendation. And that's something, by the way, I haven't said publicly, but I think is important under the circumstance out of respect, not just to him, the new incoming DA, but those that elected him rather overwhelmingly in Los Angeles. Got it.

Before I get to a question to me, there's a quick question on our Politiken merch, by the way. I'm wearing it right here. Where can we get the Politiken merch? And here's the deal. Go to email us at politiken at iheartradio.com, and we can get you some merch. We got great hoodies. We got great hats and T-shirts and more to come. A couple more questions, guys. Which one of you guys has the hardest job and why? And I'm going to say that is me.

You got the hardest job, brother? I have the hardest job. I have a great job. I'll be honest. As you guys know, I am blessed 30 years as an agent. It doesn't get old. The impact I have can be great. Seeing my former client here and partner. You just going to Mr. Rogers story time, my boy? No. I would say who has the hardest job out of us three? I would say, you know, I got to be honest with you. I can't take credit for that.

I don't think you can either, Marshawn. I think it has to go to Gavin here. No, it's definitely Marshawn. Acting is, I can't even imagine. I couldn't do that. By the way, Marshawn, no bullshit. I forgot to tell you this, and I'd never do it in person because you beat the shit out of me. I hadn't seen Bottoms yet, Mo. I didn't see it. I just saw it. Isn't it great, Gavin?

But I made a mistake. I saw it with my daughter. It was very uncomfortable. I did not know. I didn't know what the, I didn't know. Marshawn, bro. You were great. Damn, man. It was fun. It was fun. I want you as a teacher, brother. Mr. G.

Mr. G. And I love that. Mr. G. I had no idea. Mr. G. Yeah. Mr. G was giving ism. You feel me? How's it? What's, uh, what's you done with the last, uh, you were, you were out there in New Mexico. You almost done with, with, with the filming. Yeah. With that one, I'm done. You're done with that helmet. What else? You've got another project you're working on right now. Uh, yeah, I got some, I got some projects in the pipeline. You know, they make you, uh,

They make you sign NDAs and all of that kind of shit. Gladiator 3? Hey, look, man, I'm trying to work my way up. I got to make sure I find me a nice role or something. I like it. But on that note, guys, what a great episode. Gavin, I appreciate you. Marshawn, you're the man. Love you. And let's have a great weekend. Let's get after it. Have fun. And we'll see you Sunday in the Man Cave.

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