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Welcome to Pod Save America. I'm Jon Favreau. I'm Jon Lovett. I'm Dan Pfeiffer. I'm Tom Evitor. All right. It's our final night here at the convention. Kamala Harris just gave her speech. We're going to talk all about it. We're also going to talk about what comes next. We also had a drop-in by our friend and our governor, Gavin Newsom, fellow podcaster, who's known Kamala forever, so we're going to hear that afterwards. But you know what? Let's just get right into it, guys. This was obviously the biggest speech of Kamala Harris's life, and she killed it.

Let's listen. And so on behalf of the people, on behalf of every American, regardless of party, race, gender, or the language your grandmother speaks, on behalf of my mother and everyone who has ever set out on their own unlikely journey, on behalf of

of Americans like the people I grew up with, people who work hard, chase their dreams, and look out for one another. On behalf of everyone whose story could only be written in the greatest nation on Earth, I accept your nomination to be President of the United States of America.

We got balloons! Nice. Oh my god. What a fun thing. What production quality. Look at us. Self-important podcasters? I don't think so. Yeah, we're the nominees. I just want you guys to know we've all been blowing up balloons for an hour. Yeah. You know, and it paid off. It paid off. How many balloons did you blow up?

I blew up like three or four. I didn't blow up a single one. Daniel Dale over here fact checking you. What's going on with that? All right. What did you guys think of the speech? He's doing hands. That means he liked it. First of all, less than two months ago, Joe Biden debated Donald Trump. 30 days ago, Joe Biden steps aside.

There was a lot of internal agita and angst about what would come if Joe Biden stepped aside. And

It is, first of all, incredible what the campaign has done, but also the way in which everyone put their hopes in Kamala Harris. And Kamala Harris has not just performed as well as her most beloved fans have hoped she would, but I think it's fair to say she's exceeded everyone's expectations. Even the K-Hive's like, whoa. The amount of pressure on her shoulders. You can do this? The amount she was expected to do in such a short time. The stage, the pressure, the attention, the spotlight that fell on her. And to see someone do as...

deliver as well a speech as I think I've ever seen a candidate do at a convention. It was incredible. Yeah. We're all staffers at heart.

Campaign staff, DMC staff. Oh my God. How did they do this? How did you take a convention that was Joe Biden's convention 40 days ago and turn it into Kamala Harris' convention? It's incredible. Yeah. Incredible. You asked about the speech, though. Dan, you have something smart to say. I mean, she absolutely crushed it, right? She was under the most immense pressure possible. She is a largely unknown figure to the public.

She has this one moment where she's going to have tens of millions of people watching her and she delivered a great speech. She delivered a concise speech. She delivered it with strength and power and charisma and with her laugh and her smile and it was just she knocked it out of the park both in terms of

the speech itself, how it was written, the delivery of the speech, and also the political strategy behind the speech. She knew, like if you had asked me in the beginning, what are the five things she has to do? She did those five things, right? And did them effectively. I could not have been more impressed, and I cannot leave this speech being more fired up about her campaign and her next president. Yeah, I mean, I will say, a lot of exuberance right now. It's not like we're saying, she's definitely going to win. This is a fight. This is a very close race. But,

from where we were to where we are now and the chance that she has given the Democratic Party to win this election, it's extraordinary. Like, I have never seen anyone in political life step up in a way that she stepped up in this time frame under this pressure and...

It's just it's extraordinary to see. And I also think there's a moment we've all seen candidates. We've all worked for candidates and they're running for president. And you wonder, like, when do they go from being a candidate that you know and a senator, a governor, a house rep, whoever they may be, someone you can see being president? Yeah. She looked maybe and sounded like.

more presidential in this convention speech, in this nomination speech, than almost any other candidate I've ever seen accept the nomination. And for all the like, will the country elect a woman president? Will the country elect the first black woman president? Like, it's just, she sort of like pushed all of that aside in this speech and just like gave her presentation, her delivery, her confidence was just, it was a sight to behold.

Yeah, but both Kamala Harris and Tim Walz were so confident and comfortable in their delivery of the speech. Both speeches were beautifully written. Shout out to them for the amount of time they put into these remarks and also their speechwriters and all the people who worked on these speeches. But the way they both just kind of

got into the speeches, got more comfortable as they went along, had the crowd wrapped. There were periods where she got enormous applause and the signs were waving and people were chanting, but there were periods of people just like listening with rapt attention. It was amazing. I mean, Denver...

Democrats tend to do like one of three things, right? They do either do Kennedy karaoke, Clinton karaoke, or Obama karaoke. And both Walls and Kamala Harris deliver these speeches like with strength and power of that, but with an authenticity, right? That was just like very them the whole way, which is such a hard thing to do when you, especially for Kamala Harris and Tim Walls who are not fully formed candidates, right? They just got into the, Tim Walls has been in this for like 10 days and she's been in it for 30 days. There's something, um,

both with Walls and with Harris, that moment we played had it. There's a vulnerability in her voice, which talks about this is the greatest country on earth. There is something really beautiful about the fact that these aren't two people who set out years ago to get to this point today, that they were called upon. Both of them were called upon. They were elevated by Kamala choosing Tim Walz and by the party choosing

having this big debate and deciding they wanted to make this change. And the fact that they were drafted in a way and are rising to the moment, and it's not driven by their personal ambitions, but actually just a love of country, really carries through. And the fact that they're willing to say, it was unlikely that I would be here, that I wasn't expecting to be here, that it makes them on our team as opposed to us being on their team in a way that I really like. Yeah. So let's get into the

As she said at the beginning when everyone was just applauding and applauding and applauding, she's like, "All right, we got some stuff to do. We got some business to do." She had two big jobs. She had to make the case for herself and reintroduce herself to the American people. And she also had to make the case against Donald Trump. Let's start with the case she made for herself. And she taught Maya and me a lesson that Michelle mentioned the other night.

She taught us to never complain about injustice, but do something about it. Do something about it. That was my mother. And she taught us, and she always, she also taught us, and she also taught us, and never do anything half-assed. It is now our turn to do what generations before us have done.

guided by optimism and faith to fight for this country we love, to fight for the ideals we cherish, and to uphold the awesome responsibility that comes with the greatest privilege on Earth.

The privilege and pride of being an American. So let's get out there. Let's fight. Let's get out there. Let's vote. And together,

Let us write the next great chapter in the most extraordinary story ever told. Thank you. God bless you and may God bless the United States of America. Thank you all. So she spent a lot of time at the beginning of the speech telling her story, talking about her upbringing, her parents.

I thought that the speech was infused with values, again, in the best sense of the word, not the consultant sense of the word, like talking about what actually drives her, what her family was like. And I thought that the way that she sort of transitioned into the policy section in terms of like domestic policy, talking about the economy, she sort of transitioned by talking about like

you know, how her parents raised her, how her mom raised her. What did you guys think about how she talked about herself, her story at the beginning of the speech? Tommy, I just think it's such a better way to do it. I mean, you can't just say, this is my platform. These are my plans. You have to say, this is who I am. This is who raised me. This is where I came from. And this is how that origin story informed my values and,

and what I care about and therefore who I will fight for. And then you can talk through what your policy plank was. And what I loved about that clip there is we know that Donald Trump is going to try to say she's not American, that she's

other. There's people doing the birther shit to her. And for her to say the greatest privilege on this earth is to be an American was just such a it's just nice to see Democrats taking back patriotism in that way. Yeah, I could not agree more. I think this is one of the most patriotic speeches ever delivered by a nominee. And it is I mean, they're all of the Obama parallels are overly facile, right? Because of her race, because of her name. But one thing that is very similar in their approach to politics is

is making their story a part of the American story. Because she is the daughter of two immigrants. And Oprah pointed this out last night. Yes, and that is the ultimate American story right there. And the way that her values are Americanized. And it is often true that immigrants and the children of immigrants are some of the most patriotic Americans because they truly understand the power of this country, of the American dream. And the way she did that, because she knows, if you turn on TV right now in Arizona,

or Michigan or Pennsylvania or any of the other states, the entire goal of the Republican Party is to define her outside of the American mainstream. And the way in which she told her story in the context of the American story today is the exact way in which you combat that. Yeah. I was thinking about it when she was talking about that how after her parents separated, that she moved around a lot. And I was...

You know, Tim Walz... One of the places to have it would be Wisconsin. Yeah. Who knew? Smart. Smart place for her to have had some time. Move to swing states, kids. Good foresight. Good foresight. Good move. But, like, Tim Walz, like, he isn't that polished. He just isn't. And Kamala Harris, to her great credit, like, she has polish. She just is. Like, she comes off as incredibly smart, incredibly sharp, sophisticated, serious. And...

I think that like you don't get from her like, hey, like I had hard times in my childhood. Like we moved around a lot. Like I had to make new friends. I had to go to new places. Talks about how her mom always had them on a budget. Yeah. And I just think like that isn't what naturally you don't naturally get that from her in part because of I think how ferociously intelligent she is and how serious she is. And I think it's just a kind of really humanizing part of of of the speech.

The voters who are undecided, who have heard good things about Kamala Harris, or maybe like not sure, they are wondering, you see this in focus groups, you see this in polling, like, all right, well, what's her plan? What's she going to do for me?

to get that message across is more than just giving out a white paper and policy. It's talking about your values and why you fight for these things. And I thought that... She's done this since she ran in 2020. She talks about, like, I've only had one client my entire life, the people. She talks about Kamala Harris for the people. I think it was really effective tonight where she talked about how she's always fought for people and then she talked about her record. And her record was very...

The way that she talked about her record as attorney general, district attorney, was very, it was almost very Liz Warren, Elizabeth Warren. It was like talking about taking on the banks, talking about taking on people who've scammed veterans, who've scammed for-profit colleges, who've scammed students. And so I thought that was really effective. And then it was interesting that she also, there was a nod at the beginning. She said, I know there's a lot of people of different political persuasions listening to this, and I'll be a president who is realistic, practical,

practical, common sense, which I thought was a very effective way of pushing back against the, like, she's a radical commie. There's no way, if you watch the speech, you think that she was a radical commie, right? And I think she did that with, and especially in the econ section, too. And, um...

you know, along with saying that her mom kept them on a budget, they were middle class. She taught us that opportunity is not available to everyone and that you've got to fight for it. And then she gets into Trump wanting to give a big tax cut to the rich and raising taxes on people through tariffs with the Trump tax. And she wants to cut taxes for people, which got a huge applause line. It was a

a really great effective way to do the econ section, I thought. I would make an educated guess that one of the central strategic priorities of this speech and this campaign is to beat Trump on the measure of who fights for people like you. And in recent polling, that measure is close to tied or behind by a couple of points. And she has to win that by a few points or maybe more to win. And that was throughout the speech, all of that policy. It was not a laundry list. It was not

trying to get some Brookings Institution stamp of approval at the end. It was to use the policy to show people that she will fight for them. There's also... Which takes discipline, right? Yeah, there's also like...

The campaign has talked about like building wealth, building generational wealth. And she talked about entrepreneurs, talked about founders. The one part that did feel like the most sort of, I don't know, message testy or like the least, I don't know, was when she referred to the opportunity economy, which like I think is probably the policies underneath it. The goal of it all makes sense. What was the one part where I thought, oh, well, that feels like a sentence from taken directly from a poll. Literally just didn't need that phrase. Yeah.

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Conclave is only in theaters October 25th. Visit conclavethefilm.com to get tickets now. So she did contrast with Trump throughout the speech. There was one longer section in the middle where she just went full prosecutor and laid out the case against Trump. Let's listen. Donald Trump tried to throw away your votes. When he failed, he sent an armed mob to the United States Capitol where they assaulted law enforcement officers.

When politicians in his own party begged him to call off the mob and send help, he did the opposite. He fanned the flames. Now, for an entirely different set of crimes, he was found guilty of fraud by a jury of everyday Americans and separately

and separately found liable for committing sexual abuse. And consider, consider what he intends to do if we give him power again. Consider his explicit intent to set free violent extremists who assaulted those law enforcement officers at the Capitol.

His explicit intent to jail journalists, political opponents, and anyone he sees as the enemy. His explicit intent to deploy our active duty military against our own citizens. Consider, consider.

the power he will have, especially after the United States Supreme Court just ruled that he would be immune from criminal prosecution. Just imagine Donald Trump with no guardrails and how he would use the immense powers of the presidency of the United States.

Not to improve your life, not to strengthen our national security, but to serve the only client he has ever had, himself. We've talked about this all week. I personally am not too big on, like...

going through all of the bad things Trump has ever done because I think people have mostly made up their minds about Trump, especially the voters that we need to win. But I thought that was really effective because she sort of brought the whole thing forward and said,

calmly laid out what he had done in the past and then said, well, and consider what he'll do in the future with this power. And she basically defined him as someone who has only cared about himself and who's not going to help you. So I thought that was pretty good. What did you guys think? She also didn't make a bunch of corny lines. Yes. She just laid it out simply. He sent a mob to the Capitol. He assaulted women. He was found guilty of fraud. He wants to

pardon the January 6th insurrectionists and jail opponents and jail journalists, imagine what he'll do next. Simple, powerful, got through it fast. There was not a single corny line in this speech. And I thought there's a point earlier before the sliver. She says he's an unserious man, but the consequence of his presence here, which is exactly right. Would he do it?

And, you know, we say all the time, like, laying out all the bad stuff he does doesn't matter. But there is a segment of voters. They are Trump 20 voters who, after January 6th, walked away from him. And we have struggled and struggled and struggled to get those people to come over to the Democrats. They were not coming for Biden. Some of them are interested in Kamala, but these are the exact voters you need. And that, like, that recitation, that delivery is, I think, an effective way of doing it. Because she doesn't gild the lily. She just does it straight like a prosecutor would. Yeah. Yeah.

I'm sort of done with the phrase "everyday Americans."

I am. It replaced ordinary Americans because we decided the word ordinary was pejorative. Was that seen as critical? Yeah. It's another everyday American. Do you have an alternative? No. I'm just thinking about it. What about just Americans? Just Americans, jury of peers. It's not a criticism. That's the phrase that's just bouncing around. What about mid-Americans? Yeah, sure. You're just kind of mid. Median Americans. Sure. Anyway, thanks for your edit. One of the big issues in this election, and also one that she had been talking about as vice president for the last couple years, was the

So abortion rights, she hit that hard in the speech. Here's the key part. And understand he is not done. As a part of his agenda, he and his allies would limit access to birth control, ban medication abortion, and enact a nationwide abortion ban with or without Congress. And get this.

Get this, he plans to create a national anti-abortion coordinator. Force states to report on women's miscarriages and abortions. Simply put, they are out of their minds.

That's some creepy shit. Yeah, it's disgusting. And I'll just say, like, that's not only a case about how Trump would curtail abortion rights. It's a case that should appeal to libertarians. Because that is crazy. That is a crazy thing to do if you are worried about government intruding into your personal life. Yeah. I also thought that just the line, they're out of their minds. I love it. It's just great because it wasn't.

you know, we've heard a lot this convention, other places, you get like a line that's designed for an applause and it's a little cutesy and it's written as a soundbite and she was just, you just say what everyone's thinking, which is like, that's crazy. They're out of their minds. That I do think, just to come back to the delivery, like throughout this speech, there were ways in which

Like moments like that could have been cheesier. Yep. Like she could have hammed it up. She just didn't. I had like a million corny lines in my head that I'm so glad that didn't come out of her mouth. Well, the lines didn't happen, but even the moments that I think she could have hammed up, she didn't. She delivered them straight. Yep. And she let the words speak for themselves. She really didn't linger on applause. She kept powering through the speech. She kept the speech moving. Yeah.

The kind of like... It was funny. She sort of like danced around basically saying that Trump and J.D. Vance are going to appoint an anti-abortion czar. And I would like us to start calling it a czar. Anti-abortion coordinator? Coordinator? Czar. Yeah, czar is scary. Border czar versus abortion czar? I'll take that fight. Again, thank you for the edit. That's good. It's not an edit. No, it's good. It's an idea for moving forward. We're not going back, John. All right, so I just want to say...

Dan was wondering when he could go to the bathroom during the speech. He was wondering when the foreign policy section began, because that's when he was going to go to the bathroom. But to the credit of the speechwriters, it was so short I couldn't go. And it turns out, and it turns out, it was an incredibly powerful foreign policy section. Let's listen. I will not cozy up to tyrants and dictators like Kim Jong-un who are rooting for Trump. Who are rooting for Trump.

They know he is easy to manipulate with flattery and favors. They know Trump won't hold autocrats accountable because he wants to be an autocrat himself. And as president, I will never waver in defense of America's security and ideals because in the enduring struggle between democracy and tyranny,

I know where I stand and I know where the United States belongs. I like almost stood up and cheered at that part here in our studio. Tommy? The foreign policy section sparkled on the red carpet tonight, John. I thought... No mention of AUKUS. It was really, there was no AUKUS. What the fuck? I mean, look... Where was AUKUS? Where's AUKUS? What is Pacific Rim, Tommy? No mention of the Pacific Rim. Sorry. Not enough rims. Uh...

She looked and sounded tough as hell. She talked about combating autocrats. She talked about rallying NATO after the Russian invasion of Ukraine. She did something that, frankly, President Biden really struggled to do, which was talk about the humanity and suffering of the Palestinian people in a way that I found moving. And I thought she just, it was good. Sometimes the foreign policy section drags. Okay, we know that. We know we are the redheaded stepchild of

of your little comms department, your little speech teams. But you know what? Tonight we shined. Well, let me say, here's what I'll say. Okay, dude. I'm glad I didn't pee. Thanks. I have a long history of peeing during Farm Possible Peaches. In fact, I've never heard a word that Ben Rhodes has written. You're going to get a bladder infection. And I'm glad I didn't go. It was good. It's the nicest thing you've ever said. I'm glad she did it. I will say,

watching that foreign policy section again, that was not like just performance. That is a, that last clip that we heard, that is like the way that she delivered that is the delivery of someone who has been vice president, who has been around the world, who has dealt with foreign policy crises, who has sat in the situation room. Like you can, you could tell that she really felt that in a way that if she, when she was a candidate in 2020, maybe would not have delivered it that authentically. Yeah. It, it,

Several of the best moments throughout this convention have been people choosing not to process their disgust with sort of like vitriolic sentences, but actually taking a step back. Obama did this, but AOC did this. Walls did this. Kamala does this, which is to step back and try to make it figure out, like, why is this so outrageous? Like, why is it so ridiculous that we're in this situation? And that like,

That was one of the most moving moments of the entire speech. And it was in the foreign policy section, which we normally think is junk, Tommy. I normally hate myself. But to your point about the authenticity of it, you're right. Normally, if you're a congressman or a governor or a senator and you're running for president, you're faking it. You're cosplaying president.

She has been in the Situation Room. She's been in the PDB. She has represented Joe Biden in the United States at the Munich Security Summit. She's been to ASEAN. She's been to these national summits representing the United States. How many Gs has she been to? G-unit? I don't know. Many. There's also something about her being a prosecutor, too. One of the things that's been striking just over the past couple of years is...

you saw this with some of the indictments and how they're written. There's nothing that has disgusted law enforcement officials more than actually confronting the detailed evidence of Donald Trump's behavior. Like there, there is a kind of like,

righteous indignation that comes with having been a law enforcement person, seeing the way Donald Trump conducts himself. And I appreciate that in this moment. Okay. So you all know what we thought of this speech. You're all thinking the Pod Save America guys slobbered all over this speech. It's embarrassing. I'm fine with that. If the election was tomorrow, it is still possible she could lose. Absolutely. Sure. The way things are right now, it is very tight. We've had a whole convention. It's been a great week.

Donald Trump has responded to this in a very Donald Trump way. He was truthing during the whole thing. Just some really wild truths.

Where's Hunter was one of them. He started yelling about how Coach Walls was just an assistant coach. This is what he was posting during her speech. The hunter ship has sailed, my friend. And then he called into Fox afterwards, went on this tirade, and he was so exercised about the whole thing. You could hear the phone. He was hitting the numbers on the phone, and it was going beep, beep, beep while he was talking. He was out of his mind. Yeah.

Nonetheless, the race is still almost tied. It's too bad. Final thoughts on where we go from here. Just on Trump for a second. Yeah. Just...

the split screen of her delivering that speech before that rapturous crowd and Donald Trump calling into Fox News like he's some sort of disgruntled Yankees fan is just like, like imagine what the split screen is going to be like on the morning shows tomorrow, right? Yeah, I know. Yeah, like a real campaign could have had, like waited till tomorrow and then he could have done an event and he could have responded. You forget what like a normal opposition campaign is like. Yeah, you would just, you would take the night off, you'd come back tomorrow and respond to it. Think about it. Yeah, in front of a crowd, yeah. Uh,

Also, in truth, Walls was an assistant coach, not a coach. An assistant coach is a coach, you stupid asshole. Play one sport in your life, for the love of God, you call your assistant coach coach. Great week here at the DNC. It's also like an incredibly effective speech after a very effective convention with some of the best, I think, whatever, primetime big speeches that we've seen.

If it works, it does everything it's supposed to do, and it persuades 10 to 20% of the undecided voters to come along. I thought you were going to say 10 to 20,000 people. Of the small percentage of people that are undecided, it would show up as a point or two. It would show up as a point or two. Your math works. That's all I'm getting at. Math guy, yeah. Without the math major. That the most effective...

night we could ever hope for is one in which we would see modest improvement that would make us maybe feel a little bit more reassured in a race we could still very much lose. So, yeah. So, all right. So just to, just to bring everyone back down to earth. Yeah. Good, good thing to do. When we get back from the break, you'll hear our interview with governor Gavin Newsom. But before we get to that,

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We're here with Governor Gavin Newsom. Every state's got one. Every state. Our governor. How the hell do you keep our names straight? There's a lot of us. A lot of us. How you doing? I'm good, man. I mean, this is fun, right? Yes. I know everyone says, this reminds me a lot of Obama in 08. But it does, right? That sense of spirit and pride. There's an intangible. It's different. How are you feeling about the switch?

I mean, the switch. Now we went through a very open process and a very inclusive process. It was bottom up. I don't know if you know that. Yes, that's what I've been told to say. Yes, it was a blitz primary, I believe is what they called it. It was a very, very fast blitz. It was a blitz primary, so we call that. A 30-minute convention, you know, between a tweet and another tweet. It's amazing how it happened. Yeah, it's been amazing. But what is amazing is how unified everybody is.

I mean, it's next level. So Kamala Harris is our nominee. You have known her for many years. Crazy. 20, 20, almost 25 years before, before we were both in power. I know everyone said we're friends, you know, like you roll your eyes, politicians being friends. Right. But literally before we were either both of us, none of us knew what we were going to do in the future. I was running a little restaurant,

and had a wine store down the road. And she was an assistant district attorney in Alameda County. We had some mutual friends, some guy named Willie Brown and some other guys that fell in helicopters with Donald Trump. Right, yeah. Maybe it was the other Brown, whatever. And here we are. It was a hell of a thing then. Like, how is this...

This was never on a bingo card, man. This is next level surreal. So it's pretty exciting. What's something about Kamala Harris that most people don't know that they should know? I think most people, I mean, it is a good point. I mean, no one even knew. I swear to you, the one thing that's universal, I didn't know she worked at McDonald's. That's like the most interesting and relevant thing. But it is interesting. I mean, it is a reminder how you think you know somebody.

And you don't. And, uh, and so I think that's her opportunity, obviously to introduce herself, not just reintroduce herself, but fill out that bio a little bit more. And obviously she's doing that with some of the paid media, but that bio is so multifaceted again, just in terms of the relationship, the personal relationship, her advocacy or causes social justice, racial justice, economic justice. There's so much focus on her criminal justice frame as district attorney and AG prosecuting the case. But there's a whole nother side of her about inclusion, uh,

And that's something I hope she talks more about. And look, she's prepared. She's tough. She's tenacious. She doesn't suffer fools. Why did you point at John? Well, do you want to say something? We got a little history here we need to discuss. He's been foolish. Did you all know that McDonald's apparently put out some data where they found that one of every eight Americans has worked at a McDonald's? Is that true?

This is all hearsay from the hallway an hour ago with Dunphy, but this is what I was told. If you can't trust what you hear in the hallway at the Democratic Convention, what can you trust? I mean, you know what? I just want you to know you can trust me because I have raised the minimum wage for fast food workers in my great state to $20. Nicely done. And we've created more jobs since we've done that. Sorry, Wall Street Journal. Eat your heart out. They're wrong.

Created more jobs. Now, I'm just saying, if Kamala worked under our administration, she would be much better off today than she was back in the day. That's all I'm saying. That is a professional pivot. That's what I'm talking about. That's what I'm talking about. But, no, so, look, it's exciting, and so it's fun. So many of my mutual old friends are here, and now all our new friends that are old friends. I went to grammar school with Kamala. She's my close, you know. Yeah, I know. It's going to be a lot of that. Jesus.

I did SoulCycle with Doug. He's like, yeah, sure. There was a lot of people who did SoulCycle. By the way, probably a lot of people did do SoulCycle. Apparently, it was me. Doug was in SoulCycle. I've been to that one many times. California Love was the music playing when you put Kamala over the top. Why was everyone upset we didn't have Kendrick Lamar or someone show up? You did.

They're like, oh, that Newsom guy. You could have had Dr. Dre. Where's Snoop? I'm like, Snoop, he costs a half a million dollars to get here. Probably. Oh, yeah. That's what he made. I think that's his daily NBC break. That was amazing. Anyway, that's a whole other unbelievable... I mean, that guy was... I mean, that's the best Olympics I've enjoyed. But, no, I know. That was... Everyone brought it. The DJ, the whole thing. This was a different thing. Was that your choice, California Love? Come on. Why not?

I love Cal. I mean, I've been like Green Day or something. We're elder millennials. There's nothing wrong with Green Day. I know. We talked about this. Lars, I just checked in two nights ago. How's he doing? He's crushing it. They're still filling out damn stadiums. No one does that. But yeah, no, look, we're...

California cool, come on. That makes sense, makes sense. All right, youngster, we're in our slack, there was a running debate, everyone's waiting for California, waiting for California, what song is it going to be, what song is it going to be? Young people, it's California love, there's no question, there's only one option. By the way, it was interesting,

Just being with my delegation and how everybody, we had four of us that were supposed to be in the camera, our good centers. I saw that. I mean, we'll talk. That's an L&M conversation. That was a college dame day out there. It was surreal. So obviously California is getting a lot of love at this convention. The last president from California was Ronald Reagan, a Republican. If Kamala Harris wins...

are there some statues of him we can melt down and turn into something Kamala related? Like, how are we going to play this? This is hard. I mean, someone, God is my witness, right before I walked in here, someone said, and grabbed me and whispered, said, you need to name the Golden Gate Bridge after Nancy Pelosi. And I'm like, Jesus. I said, well, the...

The Bay Bridge was named after the former mayor, Willie Brown. Feinstein, I think, is going to get the name of the airport. I mean, we're going to run out of things to name. So this is a problem, right? You should not say that on microphone because Nancy Pelosi will hear it. No, I know. We know how that goes. That's a lot of pressure on us to come up with something. We need to figure that out for Nancy. But it is, I mean, that is another part of, I think, just...

the California love and that I'm enjoying is just the appreciation for some of the talent that's coming out of the state and that next level talent, obviously, and Nancy Pelosi and Kamala and, and so much of that history. And it's interesting in that Bay area history in particular. And for those that follow California politics, the Brown Burton Pelosi machine, I mean, old school politics, loyalty. I mean, just the prescience,

the principles of leadership and loyalty with you when it's tough, tough on you when things are going too well. I mean, these guys are mentors and they're extraordinarily, I mean, the cohesiveness in the Bay Area, the competitiveness, sure, but the cohesiveness of support is next level. And I think that's demonstrable with Kamala's rise and success. Obviously, Nancy's persistence and her dominance in American politics. Yeah.

you play a lot of sports in your day. Tim Walls was a football coach, the high school teacher. What, like, what do you think it means for a politician to have been a coach of a team, to a leader of young men? Like, what does that say about him? No BS. I mean, I, to,

I told Tim when I saw him yesterday, I said, why haven't you publicly thanked me for your job? Like, I'm the biggest Tim Walz fan. Anyone that's ever met him has to be. He's the most decent. For me, the scorecard of what makes great politicians is a great person. As a human being, this guy is the real deal. He's the coach in every way, shape, or form. He really gives a damn about other people. That's the reason he became the head of the DGA.

that was just it was that there was no debate that i remember sitting in a little bit of a member looks like team obviously uh... and i thought we're that we don't know what to do without him uh... is ahead of the d_g_a_ so it's just a decent honorable guys the same guy in private that you see in public and so there's an authenticity in the reason i'm not surprised about this pic knowing com as long as i've known she's gotta have that's gotta have that trust there was no doubt

when she is talented, all the other considerations were, and they were all extraordinarily next level talented. There was no doubt in my mind she would pick Tim on the basis of that interpersonal relationship and just knowing that she would have this guy's trust and he would always have her back 24-7. And so I just think it's an inspired ticket for her as a situational partner, short-term, and as a sustainable partner, long-term, because we all know some people regret

their vice presidential choices after the election because they just did it for the situational short-term benefit of political. And then they try to kill them, you know? Yeah. So you got to watch for that. Or they, they, they do a reality show like Sarah Palin's Alaska. Last question for you. Yes, sir. You've been in elected office for 20 years. You now have one of the most challenging jobs in my opinion. So I got to ask what lessons have you learned being a podcast host?

What the hell that went? I was like, in my mind, I had my stump speech response to the gubernatorial thing, and you literally went there, honestly.

You told us you were launching last time you were on the show. You guys were giving me advice. You're not bringing me counsel. I wrote a goddamn memo. You guys know about podcasts, but I mean, I wanted to be nice. The advice was don't do it. By the way, literally, you son of a bitch, that was your advice. The worst goddamn advice. That's a fact. I appreciate your honesty. Yeah, no, I know you did that. I mean, you did it with...

That is not a guy worried about our competition. He was serious about that. Do I come to your office and start issuing proclamations and executive orders? Stay out of our shit. That's all we're saying. Oh, geez. I'm like literally... We don't like competition. Unbelievable. So look... Hey...

Just saying, okay, with all due respect, like Marshawn Lynch. That's just different. Yeah, that's good. It is different. It's the beast. And by the way, we had a fun little episode. We went into San Quentin, Death Row, which I did a moratorium on the death penalty in California. And then we cleaned out San Quentin. We're turning it into an honor yard. Oh, wow. And we were able to do an episode there. I met a guy. You talk about sports. God is my witness.

I met a kid that I played Little League baseball with. Really? 25 to life. He just got rejected on a five-year parole because of some in-prison violations. And Marshawn met a guy I grew up with in Oakland walking through the yard. And I think for us, that's the sort of intersection of what we're trying to do differently because we sure as hell can't compete with you guys anymore.

in any day, in any way. And so that is not what it's about. But I am a politician. I think you basically hosted this whole segment. And in just a moment, we'll be back. But first, a word from our sponsor. The California Hemp Association.

Tommy John underwear. Tommy John underwear. That's when you know you've made it. Tommy John underwear. Two for one. Oh, yeah. So we have this organization, Vote Save America. We're having people sign up to get involved, volunteers. Do you have any marching orders for everyone in this election? What do you mean? To vote? Are we seriously having this? You think we're registering? Are we really having this conversation? The importance of registering to vote?

I mean, you think people really... No, we don't want them to just register. We want them to, like, go volunteer, knock on doors, make calls, all this stuff. Yeah, no, it's about...

active non-inert citizenship and citizenship is not just voting every two years or four years in an election it's everything that happens in between it's everything that happens after this convention that will be determinative in terms of fate and future of our country and the planet and the world we're trying to build and so everybody needs to step up and step in in a much more deep and meaningful way get other people activated and involved get rid of this cynicism all the negativity

All that stress and anxiety I know we've all been through in the last three plus years and recognize that we've got to reconcile the world we're living in. And we have this unique opportunity in American history to do that and do our, dare I say, turn the page. There you go. On Donald Trump and Trumpism and put that in the damn dustbin of history and in the rearview mirror. Gavin Newsom, thank you for stopping by. Thank you for being our governor. Good to be with you guys. We'll see you.

All three, not four of you on the podcast when I invite you on my podcast. We'll see you on the Apple Charm. This is the new host. This is Pod Save America right here. Guys, we made it. We survived the Democratic Convention. This is our last...

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