Salt Lake w/Paige DeSorbo
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I guess that bridge over New Year's is my, the last three days have just been like my days off, I guess. I haven't been using my phone, haven't been doing much. It's a weird feeling. I don't love it that much. I loved it in the moment, but once you, yeah, I don't know. Good to be back. Wait, what don't you love that much? Going dark or? Well, it's just what I, I mean, that used to be my life, like,

you know, I didn't have that much structure. And if I woke up that day and felt like doing shit, I would do it. But, um, you know, it was fun. Like, I'm glad. And of course the gym is the savior. And I know that gets annoying, but,

We're back to normal because we went to the gym the last two days. But we basically – like Sierra visited. She surprised us on New Year's Eve. And then after our New Year's Eve party, which we can talk about, we just made a pillow fort basically in the living room and no one left for like two days, which was great. We watched an entire season of Love Island Australia, which –

I guess I'm a Love Island guy now, but I feel like I wouldn't like anyone else because I like my Love Island people. Who are your Love Island people? Like season five Love Island Australia, the cast of season five. Have you guys ever watched Love Island? Is that the girl talking about the moon? No.

I watched the UK version a couple episodes of it because Whitney told me it was like, Whitney told me it was the most perfectly executed reality TV show that's ever been made. And I was pretty hot, high praise coming from someone like Whitney who probably thinks of all reality TV is dumb and vapid and trash. And, uh,

And he created our show. I would love to be a producer on it. I think I'd be really good at it. Yeah, it's phenomenal. The twists and turns at first, like you'll put your guard up being a reality TV person and then you just embrace it. And you're like, this is the most ridiculous. Like they do it in a way that it's not.

The people that you already have feelings for aren't doing things that disappoint you or are malicious. You're just like, okay, I've accepted that these people can do unexplained... You embrace the people for who they are, and then you get behind it where you're like, okay, if I was to root for a villain, you are my perfect villain. And they're not villains, but they just...

It's not the real world. Like, you know, they, you basically have to choose whether to stay with the person that you've been talking to for a few days or like the really hot person that just came through the door and they choose the ladder all the time or the really hot person that comes through the door gets to choose who they're with. So like you could be coupled up with a girl like, you know, Jessica, um,

And you guys could be like, we're endgame. But if this guy, Ryan, comes through the door, he gets to pick who he's with. So if he picks Jessica, she has to sleep in his bed. And you're single now. They have to sleep in bed together? Yeah. Yeah.

And so sometimes someone will go sleep on the daybed, like if once the game gets going really far. But like you could just be like, yeah, actually, like you could go on a date away from everyone and away, like, you know, a couple cameras and like the new girl and then come back and they tell the girl that you've been with. They're like, all right, I guess you're going home. Austin coupled up with a new girl. Yeah.

Like it's wild. So then, so, so then if the hypothetical guy, I forget what you call them, you know, Ryan, if Ryan even rolls in and says, Jessica, Jessica can't protest. She's like, I can't say no.

No, the only thing they can do. Yeah. Well, and like sometimes they'll stay in the house, but the only thing that she can do is during their initial chat, be like, I'm completely closed off. And so if you pick me, like, there's no point in you doing that because as soon as I get a chance in a recoupling, I'm going to go back to,

to my guy, but you don't know if your guy's still going to be there or not. And what happens is they'll be like, well, I might be kind of open to it. Cause I mean, they've only been together for like a couple of days. Right. Do you get anything? That's the smart way to play it. And that's the smart, smart way to play it, Craig. I mean, it has to be, you, you, you can't just choose your undying love and devotion or,

whatever to one person because you don't know if they're doing that same thing or like if they've moved on just like you said it's a couple days well yeah and karma karma comes back and like one girl kind of does that and obviously i was like man fuck this girl and page is like shut up craig like she's great she's just playing the game uh and uh i'm telling her about our love island i'm a fan now what's

Did she just poke her head upstairs? Well, our cleaning lady's here, so she's laying on the floor next to us now. Like Paige. Yeah. Wait. The cleaning lady's on the floor next to you? So the cleaning lady's lying there next to you? I mean... Anyway, I mean, I think the only way to watch it is once it's all the way out so you can binge it. Like we had to watch the finale on a VPN. Ooh.

And, like, you just streamed it to your TV? No, I couldn't get past, like, the firewall that they had up, so we just put the laptop propped up on the table and watched. Dude...

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Monica, who was running the fake account about all, no, not the fake account who was running, you know, the, the, the E account. Um, to me it's juicy, juicy campus. Was that around when you were there in college? Craig, dude, you and I are the same age. Um, and, uh, and she posted something today saying that, you know, karma is a bitch and that she totally believes in karma because now, uh,

This woman, Monica's best friend is like, you know, posting all the tea about her. And, and so we, we, we're all talking about this today at the gym. So what do you, what do you, what do you take of this, Craig?

Wait, Monica's best friend is posting about her now? Now Monica's best... Well, what Monica said was her best friend, man. She was coming over and their kids were best friends and they spent holidays together and all this stuff. And now that woman is posting all the things. And she has like a folder's worth of...

dirt on Monica and she and Monica was basically just prepping everyone she was like so just to prep you all for the next few months things are about to come out like repeatedly you know about me so basically exactly what she did on the

What's the name of it? You know, Von, Von, Von Teese. Well, yeah, that's why these things are so stupid because everyone has dirt and that's why receipts are stupid. No one is perfect. We all have been on this earth a long time and everyone behind closed doors is

like they don't act like this like the politically correct shit is so stupid because it's not real there's a way to be respectful about people but having perfect language and acting like this perfect person on book isn't real and so of course monica someone has a whole book i don't know where austin just ran off to i love when he does this what was that

My TV volume just unpaused or something. I had paused it when I came in here and then it just went on. I was like, what the hell is that? Yeah, I was just saying like the reason that you don't run your mouth and spread gossip and rumors and tell everyone's business like when we were in high school is because then someone would do it to you. And so what social media has added is this like

this screen to hide behind and that's why it's kind of fucked up and so now that the screen has been taken down it's like well yeah like you're not like no one's perfect like if i started to like that's why i try to stay out of shit if i ran my mouth about everyone on the internet like people would be like well i remember back in like you know college you did something like and you'd be like wow that's i i hate that that came up

Right. I mean, I see lots of other shows and cast members are always kind of freaking commenting about what is happening in the episode and long winded paragraphs and stuff. And I'm like, no, because that is a dark rabbit hole to go down. And that's

That whole thing to me was just incredibly shocking. And now it's coming around. Of course it's coming around. And you wonder what sort of random tea is about to be spilled. Yeah. I think receipts are only good for a couple of things. If someone lies about something...

It's great to have receipts. It's just like in the courtroom. It's called impeachment. Or if you like have inconsistent behavior or like if you're preaching about something that like you used to do, great. But to just proactively try to ruin people's lives on the Internet is one of the scummiest things that you can do. And my take on this is that it's not for –

our shows like that. What she did fits perfectly in like love Island or something where they bring in random people that no one knows. Our shows are about groups of friends. And sure. Sometimes people get brought in that you might not know that well, but it is still pretty damn authentic. And to bring in, uh,

someone like her who infiltrated the system that doesn't fit our formula because it's not like a challenge game you know like we're not going to dinner to do what they had to do on their finale you know i think that the cast of salt lake city is owed an apology by someone and they um

I mean, I don't want to get too deep into it, but like, that's just not like we're supposed to be going on vacation with friends, but I guess they thought it was their friend. So yeah. I, you know, who's fought it. I think you're right. I think you're right on this, Craig. I mean, to have someone come in like that. Ooh. Ooh. Yeah. I mean, heads, heads would roll. I mean, you better believe that I fricking texted Lisa, by the way, Craig.

and she and and and she uh enlightened me a little bit on the topic but i'm not gonna you know divulge what she said but yeah you know she said that the reunion was you know messy let's just say

Yeah. I, you know, look, it's great television. It's great for that one instance. I just don't want it to become a habit. That's all. Maybe like, I don't want Ryan to walk through the door on every one of our shows. Like we have enough drama in our friend groups. We don't need someone. You're like, Hey, let's just man, hire someone to fuck it all up. And to like, to spill tea and, and,

Yeah. Now look to everyone's credit, like it doesn't sound like anyone really knew, you know, I think she was really kind of covert about the whole thing. I just remember when she was hired, I, I reached out to someone and was like, wait a minute. So this girl or woman, this woman,

Was Jen's assistant and we, you know, was she on the show last year or the year before? No, no. Okay. So she got cast this year just because she was Jen's assistant, which, which I'm guessing that, you know, they cast her so that, so that she could spill just like a whole bunch of tea about Jen or something. And I was like, wow, that is an interesting, you know, hire to, you know, specifically hire someone just to get tea on a cast member that's already in prison.

Yeah, so Sierra and Paige made me watch it last night because I was like, I don't know if I'll be able to handle this. I was like, I'm just going to get mad.

But I watched it, and her excuse is, I would do it. I did the account. She says that it wasn't just her. She says that the account had many contributors. But she said that the main purpose of her getting involved was to take down Jen. And so she stays true to, I would do it again because Jen needed to be taken down. The problem – but then she says –

you know, her cast members caught some stray bullets. Like there was collateral damage. And the reason that, and Austin and Nick, you know, like we don't usually talk about Bravo or Bravo people because we're going to see them at BravoCon and stuff. So we're really just talking about

her actions on this. And I saw some of the, you know, cause we're friends with other ladies. I saw some of the stuff that was written on that Instagram account and it's despicable, nasty, nasty, like,

You shouldn't. It's just not. It has no place in society. It's not fun gossip. It's dirty. Like, it's really dirty. And if it was guys on that show, like, if Monica was a guy and that happened with a bunch of guys at dinner, they would have gotten the shit beat out of them.

Like a thousand percent. Like if that was Shep and we found out that Shep's been running some account that talks about our parents and shit, like we would have just walked over and beat the shit out of them. And that's why I felt bad for the cast of Salt Lake city is because they were very fired up. Rightfully. So at one point, the one girl had a vase in her hand, like a flower vase. And like, you could tell she wanted to throw it at the girl. And I was like, here's the problem. They put those cast members in a place where,

where I thought Lisa was going to punch her at one point, which obviously on Bravo has never been an issue, but I guess now they don't want that happening. But then I was like, you can't get mad at Lisa for punching this bitch. I mean, dude, I mean, on our finale tonight, I never wanted to so bad, you know, but I didn't because I was like, you don't do that. You don't do that. No matter how far that you get pushed, you don't, you don't do that. No, yeah. Fist to cuffs.

I was, I don't know what would happen if I was still there, but I'm glad I was, I was gone and it was your guys thing to, to work through. Um, it wasn't, but yeah, yeah. Well, I mean, yeah. And shit and Shep had walked out and Whitney was just kind of sitting there, but yeah. Um, but the Monica, I mean, the Monica stuff is like, yeah, I, I'm, you know, I'm going to watch the reunion. That's the, that's the catch 22 is, um,

Right. You know, just call it despicable behavior. But but but but now you're basically calling it must watch TV. Yeah. Well, because it is. I mean, dude, you got to watch it. It's so silly, but it's it's funny because the.

the camera is like on the ground, you know, the guys like rest their cameras down and it's rolling and you see like the footsteps run past it. And he had like grabs his rig and he's like, Oh God. And he grabs the camera. It's happening. And then the producers like knocking on the door at first. And then you hear like a higher up producer. You'd be like, just go in the fucking door, just open the door. And so they opened the door and, um,

Then they do. So like spoiler alert, but I can tell you guys. So Heather gets this phone call from like her source. That's like, look, this account is what you guys suspected. Like it's this girl. Like we ran the phone number or whatever.

And so then it flashes to... It cuts to the dinner that they all have. And they're all around this dinner table. I don't know why I got chills. It's funny. And then they cut from the dinner that was four hours later to two hours before. And they have this mafia meeting on the beach. And Heather's like, I have to tell you guys something. And all the women are like...

Just tell us what like this looks really bad. Now you're freaking us out. In my head, I'd be like, am I going to jail? Like, does someone have cancer? Oh, my God. And for all of those out there, for all of those out there that are not on a reality television show.

like what what craig just said is so spot on it's like you never know especially if it's a finale like you never know what is about to be thrown out there so like you're on edge the whole time so if someone kind of calls like a meeting you're like please don't be about me please don't be about yeah you're like is my husband having an affair because she's like right she's like guys this changes everything she's like this changes everything and you can tell the girls are like you

You never know what someone has been holding on to all season to drop at the finale. You just never know. Okay. Yeah, it just came out. So then she tells them and I was like, I'm going to be able to tell from their reaction how bad this is. And she tells them and you can tell the women's face are like,

Like that it's as crazy as you would think. Like there's no – like the amount of betrayal that happens in that moment because like this is an account that they've dealt with for years. Right. Like that's caused a lot of problems in their life. I mean I've never heard of it before. It's a smaller account. It doesn't have that many followers, right? But if the things that the account was saying even had like a little –

validity to them, then, then that would be a huge thorn and pain in the side. And you're like, how, how does this account know this? You still have to deal with like, even if it doesn't, even if it's not true, then you have to address it and it becomes a rumor around town. And the amount of, I think like dirtiness and betrayal that they felt that this lady has been like on vacation with them. Like they let her in, they were like, it was like her birthday and

Meanwhile, they're like, I think, yeah, something like that. And so then they end up, I think Lisa's like, we need you to leave. And she gets up from the dinner table and leaves, but she fights hard. I mean, it's an ugly fight. Like it's, it's, um, you know, she resorts to, to name calling, which, you know, all happens in the game. And, um,

It's funny because we play it safe on here a lot, but like this is just – we're just commenting on what we saw. And it's happening in Bermuda, which me and Austin and Shep had a funny weekend. That's true. During COVID. Yeah. I just wonder if this –

Woman would like if she thought that she was just going to get like away with it or if she was going to plan on dropping it at some point, like, oh, and by the way, I am, you know, Gossip Girl or whatever. And yeah, I didn't know that that's what Gossip Girl was about, which is funny because they bring that. Yeah, 100%.

100%. So you raise a good... A snitch is in the group dropping all of their gossip in real time. And you're like, how the hell? And so if you're one of the girls, if you're one of the girls that's on the show, you're probably like, you know, pointing fingers at producers and pointing fingers at...

At all the wrong people. Right. At all. That's what happens. Maybe like a makeup artist or maybe like a, you know, all of that person, all of that is included. It was the hair and makeup artist that is involved. Um, that eventually comes clean. It is them accusing another cast member and her getting really upset. Cause she's like, I didn't fucking do that. And like my, the Monica girls, like,

trying to she basically stops being able to keep track of all the like curves but then she gets a little braggadocious with it because they're like like you'll see if you watch the flashback she's like I mean I don't think it's that bad like when someone's talking about the account and like they all start to put together like

the pieces. She's like, Oh, I don't think it's that bad. And then, and then it's, so then I have a question too about the account. Did, did she leave like little, you know, breadcrumbs where like she was talking shit about, you know, herself as well so that they didn't know that it was her or was she just like the only one that wasn't mentioned in this whole tea? No, she would say that like she just got a DM from the account and be like, well, yeah, that like she would,

She claimed like communication with the account or something. But then like the only receipts that were kind of like laughable, but like whatever, who cares where she's like, every single one of you has like written ha ha back to something I've posted or like, you know, been like, yeah, get that bitch. And like, you're like, okay, whatever.

Jeez, tearing it, tearing them apart from the inside, turning girls on each other. I mean, you have to think about one of these shows is that the show is, you know, like a fraternity or sorority for housewives. And you want to think that like you have each other's backs up.

a little bit at like the end of the day. I mean, of course there's drama and you, you, you, you can have, you know, beef with someone and this and that, but at the end of the day that nobody within that fraternity or sorority would ever, you know, do that, which is why it's such a huge. Well, they, that's my favorite part of it is they, they,

the rest of the cast members, there's not a single break in like being on the same side. Like there's not one person like let's hear like that even says something stupid. Like every single cast member, like no matter how much they don't like each other is like starts to go to one side of the table and they're all just taking turns being like, like you can tell they're in like utter shock.

And everyone's just like, this isn't what we fucking do. We're actually friends. Even though at the end of the day, we're all friends. Now, I didn't understand the...

I think the one lady was mad at her for what she leaked about Jen. I didn't understand that part because I hadn't watched before. I really just understood the stray bullet ones, like the stuff that she would write about Lisa, Whitney, and Meredith, and the other one. But apparently...

I think Heather was just like, like, I don't know. They like accused this lady of like doing drive-bys and like videoing all of them. I've let's just say that I've, I've heard that too. Yeah. I've heard that shake that she did drive-bys and all the things. And then I just saw something to saying that in 2021, Jen Shaw, uh,

uh delivered a cease and desist to i'm not sure if it was to you know monica but it was to you know reality bontice and she sent a cease and desist kind of like you know hinting like hey i know it's you that's running it so stop your shit now and so that just popped up but did it i don't think anyone else knew about it or like maybe not or is this after jen was in jail i i think so i mean and then jen's rebuttal went on

sorry austin she said hey she said giggly squad pays her bills sorry that's okay where is it um that is so yeah geez so but remember you and i never dive in on bravo shows and you know i mean this one just kind of rocked no but this is if we want to check out the tiktok being made behind me um now you just see the butt um

I, yeah, I mean, look, like I wouldn't be comfortable doing a panel with this person at BravoCon because of like, I think it's out of bounds what they did. Yeah. I mean, those sorts of people are dangerous who will do and say, you know, anything for platform or for, you know, and it's like, you have to remember that it's like a show about friends and

First and foremost, like a group of friends in some sort of way, not like, and you can't have like a group of friends and trust someone and bring them here and bring them into your home and to dinner and lunch and to go on vacation. And then to find out that that person is just like a mole that is.

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Her take on it. Okay. Juicy. Okay. Here's how I feel. As a lover of reality TV and someone who watches Bravo still. No, no, no. Hold on. We don't hear anything. All right. Do it again. One, two, three, four. No. Yeah, you should be able to hear. Yeah. One, two, three, four.

Yeah. Okay. As someone that loves reality TV and watches Bravo while being on Bravo, which can fuck with my own brain as a viewer, of course I loved the episode. Of course I loved watching someone like get outed for be like having this secret Instagram account and like doing all this gossip.

As someone on a reality TV show scared the shit out of me, not because I was like, oh my God, someone can come in and like say all of your secrets, but because there are these legit internet trolls that will make up anything and infiltrate anywhere and are so good at like using people and like

social climbing and doing all of these things that like could legitimately destroy your life just to get onto on TV. And we don't do it to be on TV. We do it because like it happened to fall in our lap. These are our real friends. It is our real life. So it scares me that it would be like compromised. And then it's like,

Now we ruined reality TV. Well, cause it's not real. And two things, if you could, it's not about like, if she wanted to come on television and say all this shit that she tweeted about fine, because then everyone has to address it. And you have your friends there to be like, uh, Jeremy never had an affair with a guy. What are you talking about? Just do it at dinner. Don't do it on the internet, but to sit back and do it and then somehow figure out a way to actually affect people's lives. You know, it's,

Scary. Did we have the story? Well, sorry. Yeah. No, you had it right.

It was wild. But see, but like you said, it's can't watch TV. And I was like, I like now I've switched. Like I love housewives. I do. But sometimes it's like, so like that episode was like kind of dark. Like sometimes it gets dark and I'm like, I watch it to escape my real life when it gets heavier than my real life. That's why like, I love love Island. Cause they're just like in bathing suits. They're hot. They're making out. They're like, it's just fun. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Shit. The Salt Lake one certainly turned very dark, it seems. I mean, I feel like every show page goes through that, right? I mean, wouldn't you say that, you know, Summer House season, I mean, I don't know, six or something, you know, was dark. And, you know, for us, man, season seven was pretty dark. Yeah. And then you kind of like, then you do come out on the other side. What I'm like, can't wait to see is like if they bring her back because...

I mean, the cast would have to forgive her because who would she film with? Yeah, like she'd have to have an apology and be like, I'm sorry to everyone because if not, I'd be like, this isn't real. I saw this take, by the way. I saw this take where...

I don't remember which, which one of the Bravo accounts, you know, posted it, but it was like, this is a pale as old as time. It was like the fringe housewives who are trying to secure their spot will film with her so that they can secure their spot. And then it's like, it is a pale as old as, you know, housewives. Yeah. So, so that's, I mean, look, it was a great episode. They have a great season. It was a great, they did a great job. What was her role the rest of the season?

I am not like fully tuned in with every episode of Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. So I don't really know the, I do, I have watched a few episodes and she like has a very tumultuous relationship with her mom. She doesn't get along with all the girls by any means.

Um, but she did seem like very, like she was a truth teller. Like, oh, I'll just say it how it is. But then to find out like it's online. Which, and there's nothing wrong. There's a, that's great to have like the truth teller. Great to have. You need it. It was the, the hiding behind the curtain of an online account, I think.

Sure. Probably fucked with their heads. You can tell in their heads that they're just like, wait, this is the lady that's living in our house right now. I'm also, I love gossip. So of course I love reading gossip. I'm not going to act like I don't, but when I read it, I do. I also have enough awareness to be like, okay, obviously this whole thing isn't true. And like,

a part of this can be true and also like none of this could be true. Like people, but people don't read gossip. I feel like with a grain of salt, like they just take it as Bible cause it's on the internet and it's just like, okay, it's, it's just like fun and stupid. You read it as fan fiction.

No, I like some of my my favorite thing is reading fan fiction on myself. Like I love people's theories because I also love conspiracy theories. So like when I read them, I'm like, I could see how they got there. But like, obviously, that's not fucking true at all. But I could see like how their brain went there.

Paige, you read your fan fiction conspiracy theories? No, but I mean, like, sometimes I'll see something about myself and I'll just be like, what the fuck? Like, I never said that. Or like, that is not what I did. And I'm just like, but that's crazy.

I mean, it is tough that when people see what they see on the show, even to just take it as, you know, gospel. If it didn't happen on the show, then it didn't actually happen in real life. Right, then it didn't happen. Or that like, yeah, your only life is like when you're filming and it's like, oh, that you...

Well, that's what I'm always trying to put together. And even watching Love Island, I was like, what is happening during the downtime? Or what was filmed that wasn't able to fit into this episode? Like, on that vacation, what was the fucking fallout where they had to, like,

try to organize it was like girls girls girls we know that this is insane but like let's do it at dinner i also like watching those shows too i like watching reality tv being on reality tv because i like seeing sometimes where you're like okay obviously a producer came in right at that moment and said something so it's like fun to watch and know that you know what is like really happening

- Paige, we love you for popping on. I love that you can only hear the gossip too long without talking. Should we announce your involvement in something else? New York? - Trying to sell tickets off my name tag? - Yes. - You owe me a selfish fucking role of trying to be crazy. - What? - If you wanna sell people, sell people. - They love to see you. - Yeah, you can sell them. - Okay. Well.

hell of an intro hell of an intro we've been waiting to tell you all but paige will be at our four o'clock new york show joining us as a special guest

This is going to be a hell of a matinee. That's the fun about it, Paige. Austin told everyone in the world that later shows are always crazy, but you make it so that the early show. I was super high, Paige. It was a stupid.

What does she say? The matinee. Elson said he was too bright when he said that. The matinee is going to pop off. And what's wonderful is that people that already have tickets for our late show have probably the only guests that people will be just as excited to see other than Paige. And that's why I feel comfortable doing what we're doing. And that's why we had to give them Paige at four because –

People that had maybe bought tickets to the 8 o'clock show were like, wait, shit. So people who are coming to the 4 o'clock show are going to get a wonderful, awesome surprise where we only hear about Gigli Squad five freaking times a live show. Paige's name is only mentioned once.

10 times instead. No, we're super excited. We have two extremely strong and powerful guests in New York city. We're going to have so much fun with page at the matinee. And then we got to bring our, our a game again at eight o'clock and we can't wait. Um,

To do both shows. Our Philly show is sold out. I think Boston might have a couple tickets left. Yeah, no VIPs left for either show. Boston has a few left, but Philly might have like two. Right. It's going to be a big week, boys, next week. And then we still have all of New Year's and Christmas. A little bit more Christmas. Christmas in Charleston to catch up on the next episode. We've got...

What's today? January 4th. I mean, what day of the week is it? It's a Thursday, Thursday. Oh, so next Tuesday we have chicks in the office from Barstool coming on the podcast. Ria and Fran. Uh, we're very excited to reverse roles with them on here. Only three years.

I know that was a really, really sweet text, by the way, because they are coming to Charleston in March and they asked us if we wanted to come out and be a guest on theirs. And then Craig just threw it out there. He was like, Hey, do you want to come and be? And they were like, it's about damn time, Craig. So they're, you know, they're anxious to jump on and they're a lot of fun as I'm sure that a lot of, you know, I'll be blessed. Great, great first guest to have on in the new year.

Other than Paige, of course, who just made a nice little cameo. Yeah, the surprise cameos really kill it for us. I'm locking that house, Craig. Every year, I'm just going to add a Christmas present. Yeah, just make sure it's not like a Johnny Cash picture that no one can recognize. I haven't told him yet. I haven't told him yet. Wait, it happened again? You did it again? Craig. All right, let's hear it, Paige. Oh, God. Okay.

Here's what I've learned with Craig. He wants to get me stuff and I love that quality in him. And I like, I appreciate that he wants to be so thoughtful and he wants to give me such a good Christmas. So I've started just texting, Hey, I'm a size seven in these. I'd love this piece of jewelry. Like these are things that I think you should buy. But then he likes to add in like his own, you know, he thought of it and he's really like the Johnny Cash thing. And I love that. So,

So he gives me like my two presents that I picked out. I fucking love them. I'm so excited. Like, and he was like, okay, but now this is like your big gift. And I'm like, oh my God, like, how is he going up from this? Like, what could he have possibly gotten? He goes, we are going to Cincinnati, Ohio. Now my face already is starting to be wanting the fuck out.

Is in Cincinnati, Ohio. He's like, and we're going to the zoo. And yup, you guessed it. We're brushing a hippopotamus's teeth. I go...

What the fuck? I thought he was having a stroke. I go, what are you saying to me? I'm waiting for this huge, like, super, like, excitement. Are you, like, so surprised? I go, yeah, because who the fuck has ever heard of that? What are you talking about? What are you actually saying? He's just saying words. He's just saying words.

Out of order. What are you talking about? At this point, I think she's fucking with me because I'm like, what are you talking about? You said on October 7th that you would fucking love to brush a hippopotamus' teeth. You said I want to brush a hippo's teeth one day in my life. I want to brush hippo's teeth. Were we watching National Geographic? Had I just recently taken an edible? Like, what was the context that I said this?

She didn't even believe. She was like, I never in my life have. Why Cincy? Why Cincy? That's the only place in the country that you can go feed hippos. So I'm going to pay extra money and just brush their teeth.

He called the zoo. He goes, we've never had a request for this. I think we could probably make it happen, but I'm not sure. So I'm like... Like a giant toothbrush. Well, here's... So I'm like doing this. My parents are around. I'm home. And they're like, oh, wow, that's like...

you know, strange requests. And I was like, I know, but I'm going to make it happen. And they're like, well, I get like, my mom's trying to figure out what you brush them with. I was like, none of that's important. Paige just really wants to brush a hippo's teeth. And then when I tell her, she's like, never in my life have I ever said that. And I was like, this isn't fucking happening. I wrote it down. You, I was like, I didn't just make up that you wanted to brush a hippo's teeth. And she's like, I mean, I guess we can go to Cincinnati and,

See the hippos. Craig, that was very thoughtful of you. It was extremely thoughtful. I think. So how did you give it to her? You just kind of delivered this speech just like a – Basically.

And we're going to. And she was like, finally, we're going to St. Bart's. And he was like, Cincinnati, Ohio. To brush Trouble P's, a hippo's teeth. It was one of those moments where I was just like, what decisions in my life had I made that I'm seeing here with this exact clip? Well, I held up a hippo with his teeth out on my phone and said, does this mean anything to you? And she's like, no.

Does this get you going? And she's like, what is that? Like, is that a hippo? And I was like, yeah. Does this mean anything to you? So that's a little bit of a day in the life of me. This is how I paste it, though. But then after she got her last present, are you wearing it? Oh, yeah. Then he got me this, like, I wanted this, like, sick vintage thing.

I want like a really cool vintage watch, but those are like so expensive. So I found this like bracelet that is like a watch.

It's a Rolex. It just has the watch part, but it's a bracelet. From the 60s. And it's mini-sized. Yeah. So I followed up the hippos with that. Thank God. Because you knew that it might not fit the way that you wanted it to. But Paige goes, Craig, I just say stuff. I just say stuff throughout the year. And in my head, I was like... I just essentially live, you know? And Craig...

And Craig picks it up. He takes what he wants. He takes what he wants. It's like a Siri. He's like in like Alexa, you know, he just kind of hears Alexa erase cash, erase the memory. I don't know if I had randomly said that I wanted to do something like that. And you were like, we're going to play with penguins or like feed with penguins. I'd be like, hell yeah. And it's in a random place. I just think that your delivery for it was, um, I mean,

Does this mean anything to you? That is amazing. She's just like, no. No, I appreciate your thoughtfulness so much. And I... Because I feel like I give gifts too with like thoughtfulness. But I think clothes and accessories are thoughtful. She handled it very nice and was like, Craig, I love that this is how your brain works and it's so thoughtful. But like... Craig. She goes, why don't you...

She was like, why don't you take Sierra? This will be something fun for you two to do. And I was like, then why did you say this? Why did you say that? And I remember when she said it, it was with such conviction. She was like, I'm going to brush a hippo's teeth one day. And in my head, I was like, I'm going to make that happen forever. I mean, I am laughing. Let's do it. I'm laughing at you, Craig, because of the delivery and because of how excited that you were.

Give it to her. It's the exact same. What are you talking about? It's the exact same thing that happened with Johnny Cash last year. Not for the thoughtfulness, man. The thoughtfulness gets a high grade. It gets like an A minus. I'm looking at the Johnny Cash photo right now. Yeah, I knew that you were. I knew that you were, man, because it's been wrapped in fucking cellophane in that room since you gave it to me. She gave it back to you.

this is it's not johnny cash wait hold on you froze yeah that looks like someone took a picture a head shot to join the sopranos and they were like well we'll just pretend that it's johnny cash he said it's the creepiest photo ever it is not not creepy oh what a fun

episode thank you good times being here i can't wait to post the picture with like her with the big like yeah it's like a car wash thing i i feel like i want to find y'all a comically large fucking toothbrush so so i can add to this experience or you should just come cincinnati if you're looking at a live show i thought you'd never ask craig i thought you'd never ask

Perfect. Well, with that being said, that concludes this week's episode of Pillows and Beer. Good to have Craig back in the loop because only he can bring us such enjoyment with his Christmas gifts. We will see y'all next week. And yeah, and we'll also see you on the road next week. Goodness gracious. Boston, you're up first. Boston and New York. So we've got...

Yeah, go to pillowsandbeer.com, see what we have left. Boston, a couple tickets, and then New York, the 4 o'clock show, New York City, with our special guest page. And then for you 8 o'clock people, we have also a very special guest, which will be unveiled on stage. Revealed. Thank you. Yeah. I'm not good with vocabulary. All right. Unveiled.

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