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Hello, hello, what's up everybody? Welcome to a brand new episode of Part of the Problem. I am Dave Smith and he, of course, is Robbie the Fire Bernstein, who will be filming his first comedy special this weekend in Denver, Colorado. Very excited for that. How are you feeling, Rob? Uh,

Good. My car's dead. But other than that, good. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I should mention that. The reason we're doing this episode remote today is because Rob's car broke down. But...

It's all good. I'm going to walk to Denver. It's all good. I'm going to start right now. I'm going to start marching. I'm going to put my speakers in a bag. I'll hitchhike a little bit of it. Porch tour is happening. Nothing's getting in the way of the filming. That's right. And if enough of you purchase Rob's special once it's out, he can get himself a car. So there you go. Guys, I'm just coming to the drive. I got a hitchhike.

If you're between here and Colorado, my thumb will be out. Honestly, maybe this is a fresh start for you, Rob. You just become a hitchhiker guy. Like every gig, Rob's just got to – you just got to count on the kindness of strangers. I know. Dude, I was doing the same thing because you have a car that's got a lot of miles on it, right? It's done. I just need a new car. How many miles? Not even 130,000, but I think it's a 12-year-old car. It's lived its run. So I had –

I had an old Chevy that was right around that. I think right around, it was over 100,000 for sure. And the same thing, just like 11 years old, something like that. And it was just, it was so sweet.

to have a paid off car it's such a great thing to have you're like oh and you you like weirdly like you dilute yourself into this feeling you're like oh this is awesome i don't have a monthly payment you know you're like yeah sure i had to put two ground into it last month because like this thing happened and then three months before that i had to put fifteen hundred dollars into it and of course six months ago i had to spend four grand on it and then like eventually you sit down and you go

I'm paying more than a car payment to have an unreliable car. Yeah, this car is entirely new, except for the one thing that doesn't work. It's got new bottoms, new tires, new brakes, new top engine. But the one thing that doesn't work doesn't work. It turns out, it's a great car. It doesn't have wheels, which is pretty huge. Turns out...

I also I don't I don't even want a new car like I I I eat a lot of cookies in the thing you know I don't want cookie crumbles in a new car and uh it's dented on the side I'm a frequent denter I'm a guy who dents his cars I drive aggressively I don't want a new car I don't want to be worried about like the shocks and suspensions I don't think there's shocks on cars I don't know anything about cars I'm just saying I like my piece of it's my piece of

Dude, I know so little about cars that you could just confidently convince me of anything. Like you could literally, if you were just like, like, I don't know what there is on cars, but if you just like with a lot of confidence, we're like, yeah, dude, you're, you know, anything. I would just believe it. I'll figure out how to get to the airport porch store.com Thursday night, New York city show Friday in Phoenix, Arizona. And then a Saturday filming still tickets for the late show porch store.com.

All right. Hell yeah. And I did tweet out the link if anybody wants to hear. I'm going to retweet it right now so that it's the first tickets. New car money. Well, just so it's the first thing that people see. So here I just retweeted it. If you're listening to this live, retweet.

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All right. That was an aggressive way to try to make a sale. You're the sales guy, Rob. I'm no good at this. Hey, all right. So there's a bunch of stuff that I did want to talk about today, but I want to open with what I consider to be a note of optimism, which is something I'm struggling with or something I struggle with. I feel bad sometimes. It's one of the things I think about a lot that –

I will sometimes like when I in the episode with Ari, when we did the State of the Union this year, I did start to feel by the end of it like, shit, am I just being like a downer? You know, because I'm just like constantly talking about everything that's wrong with the world. And I feel that way sometimes when I go on Rogan or whatever. And I try to I try to like convince people because I'm really not I'm not a pessimist, despite all of the complaining.

i'm really not i actually think like we live in an amazing time i think we have like i think the prospects for liberty and prosperity and like a good future are are very real and i think we have a real fighting shot to win um not to mention i just think it's like a great time to be alive for lots of reasons like we we have you know

The technological and economic advancements that we have over previous generations are amazing. Obviously, you know, there's there's some very serious problems. But anyway, I'm not a pessimist. And I saw a poll yesterday that I think was the most important poll that I've seen in this presidential election cycle. It was done by Gallup.

And it had nothing to do with the presidential election. I think it's far more important than whether Trump's up or Kamala Harris is up. But Gallup just did a poll on Americans' trust in media.

Now, they've been keeping track of these numbers since 1972, and the latest one for 2024 just came out. And it's pretty remarkable. So just to look at this, the percentage of Americans who say that they have –

When they ask how much trust and confidence do you have in mass media, such as newspapers, TV and radio? So they're they're asking about the corporate media, as we call it, what's often been dubbed the mainstream media or the lamestream media. If you're a cool Republican boomer. But the percentage of people who say they have none at all, no trust whatsoever.

in media whatsoever. When I was born in 1983, it was around 7%.

Around 7% of the population said, I have no trust in the corporate media whatsoever. In 1983, the year I was born. Today, the number is 36%, with 33% saying they have not very much. Not very much. So the mail's on that. Is everyone talking Trump English now?

Yeah, I guess. But the point is that 69 percent, about 70 percent of the of the American people say they either have not very much trust in the corporate media or none whatsoever. I just think that's so great.

I just think it's like so it's the there is a super majority consensus in the country right now that the corporate media is not to be trusted. And that is.

That alone, I just like I don't see how you could possibly not like how you could you could be pessimistic in the face of that, where you have this like the corrupt regime has had a monopoly on information for my entire lifetime until they lost it really in the last decade. And now the trust has evaporated.

Now, you know, I don't know. We're very far from getting a super majority consensus in the United States of America that we should have citizens

sound money or that we should have balanced budgets or that we should have deregulation or that we should have, you know, drastic cuts in spending or taxes or any of these great things that we'd love to see. But what a great place to start that at least we do have a super majority consensus that the people who work in the corporate media are fucking liars who are not to be trusted.

I think that's a great starting point. Well, you got to give kudos to CNN that they're trying to reshape their image and they brought Brian Stelter back. So I'm sure soon enough they will have this image problem feared up once he's doing reliable sources and fact checking and letting you know that CNN is doing a great job. Well, it is. Look, they're doing everything they can do.

The only thing you can do in a situation like this is bring Brian Stelter back and hope for the best. And then you can look the American people in the eyes and say, we're doing everything we can to regain your trust. It is...

if you just think away that the internet has gutted businesses by being better and more efficient the way amazon uh yeah shut down some some stores because we'll bring something right to your door with the packaging shipped a day later you think about what netflix did to blockbuster and then you think news is supposed to be truth that's supposed to be the commodity is that you can get actual information

And when CNN, MSNBC and the works are unable to provide it to you and then the Internet fails and it's censorship and they can't get the Mary Poppins lady instated to take everything off of YouTube. And then, you know, Elon Musk steps in and goes, I'll make sure that Twitter that this that the information's here. I think the commodity is truth. And that's what people are looking for. And as long as the Internet's free, they're going to find it.

Yeah, look, I mean, that's that's literally that's what I said at the opening of my debate with Chris Cuomo is that I was just like and I said that for us, too, that I was like, look, the the commodity that we trade in here is the truth. And that's the whole thing. Like, you know, if you found out that, you know, I was lying, if you found like, let's say, like, I don't know, like,

Like a private, you know, conversation of mine leaked or something like that. And I was saying that, like, you know, I don't really believe in this libertarianism shit. You know, this is just a great way to make money or something like that. My assumption would be, well, you could never listen to me again. You'd have to stop listening to the show because that's the whole thing. The whole, like, premise of listening to this or watching the show is that

me and you rob believe what we're saying to be true now i'm not saying that doesn't mean we can't get something wrong but you're not like intentionally lying to people and once you are then the truth then then your trust evaporates and that's what's happening and i think that there's something you know like one of my major uh uh messages over the last eight years has been that um

What's going on in the country is actually like it's very fascinating. And I believe that Donald Trump is like the least interesting part of it.

And while everybody is hyper focusing on Donald Trump, the most interesting thing about Donald Trump is the, is the fact that he could only be in the position he's in because of all this other fascinating shit that's happening in our society, you know? And so again, I think it was, uh, I want to say, I don't think it was Michael Malice, um,

I think he's the one who I heard this quote from. I don't know if it's his originally, but the quote was that the media acts like Donald Trump is the river, but he's actually the dam.

You know, like there's actually this whole force behind him. And you can understand where... And obviously these things, they both influence each other. But the fact that Donald Trump, say, could run a campaign where he would constantly say the media is the enemy of the people, fake news, you're lying, go at CNN, go at MSNBC, go... And that that could resonate so much. Now, the way the corporate media takes that is...

This evil Donald Trump has turned all these people against the media, you know, but I think the more accurate way to look at it is that people are, have lost trust in the media and therefore they rallied around the guy who was saying, yeah, these guys are liars and they're your enemy. And you know, the thing that, you know, as you mentioned, Brian Stelter, it's, it's just been amazing over the years to watch that, uh,

you know, cause look, I'm saying when you look at this poll, it just gives you a whole different way to understand these things. And you go, Oh no, that's actually why they're freaking out. That's why they're all freaking out and they're freaking out about Trump. But really it's not about Trump. It's about that number. Cause just like, you know, imagine it. Like if you, you know, whatever you were saying, like the internet, it was a great example of the internet putting lots of other things out of business. But if you were to say like, um,

If, you know, if the blockbuster CEO is looking at some data, you know, maybe a few years before Netflix completely put him out of business and they saw something like 70 percent of blockbuster members no longer interested in renting videotapes.

You know, like they'd probably freak out about that a bit. That's a that's a damning number for your business model if you ever saw it. And that's what's happening in the corporate media. And to watch, you know, Brian Stelter over the years every week host a show about the media.

And every single week come back. And I mean, just imagine that whatever it is, 70% of our audience, you found out tomorrow, 70% of them think we're full of shit. I mean, that's, that's, if you can't have some introspection when that happens, you

Like, if you can't go like, oh, geez, what are we doing? What are we doing that there's a super majority consensus that says that we're liars? What does that mean? You know, like, why do people have this impression of me if I'm not a liar? You know, like, what? And instead, every single week he would come back and say, the problem is disinformation. Everybody's tricked everyone into not believing us.

The problem is Joe Rogan. The problem is Tucker Carlson. The problem is Donald Trump. The problem is Russian interference. You know, it's always something is Tucker Carlson had this example. I can't believe I think this might have been in his book in Ship of Fools. No, maybe not. But he definitely said it. But where his his analogy was a.

He was like, okay, you wake up one morning and you find that your wife has left you for another man. And he's shorter than you and uglier than you and fatter than you and makes less money than you. And she's left you for that guy. Now, okay, your immediate, no, tiny, tiny, everything's worth smaller to everything. Now your first immediate reaction might be like, you know, screw her. How could she do this to me?

But at some point, you know, especially if you had like a show dedicated to analyzing why your wife left you, at some point you might go, geez, what was I doing? How miserable was I to live with that she would pick somebody who almost in every, you know, like category doesn't have what I have. And I do think that's somewhat comparable. Like imagine being CNN and like losing to us.

You know, like you got this billion, multi-billion dollar budget and you can't beat some guys who got some cameras in a garage? You know, like at what point? But there's just none of that. And of course, they almost, you know, I remember, I know I've used this example before, but I remember one time I was watching a documentary about abortion with my wife.

And it is pretty weird. It's you know, what makes it even weirder is that she was pregnant at the time. It was she was pregnant with our first an evening of second thoughts. No, it wasn't like that. Although but I will say, you know, my my as people who listen to the show a long time have known my perspective on abortion, like totally changed when I had kids and it kind of changed my

threw out my wife's first pregnancy, which is just it. Look, especially as a guy,

it's something you don't really like deeply think about until your wife gets pregnant for the first time. And then you're like going to regular ultrasounds and stuff. And you're, you're very like obsessively focused. At least I was on a fetus, which you've never been. I mean, I remember, you know, I didn't do this so much the second time she was pregnant, but the first time I was like constantly reading about the,

the development of the baby in utero. Like, okay, it's nine weeks. The baby is doing this. The baby is this size. The baby can do this. You know, like, you just kind of learn a lot about it. And so it's a little bit weird. But yeah, we were watching this documentary about abortion while she was pregnant. And the documentary had a very pro-choice bent. Like, it was not a neutral documentary. But anyway, I remember this one time in the documentary, they were interviewing an abortionist

who's been a doctor performing abortions for like 30 years. And the doctor's being interviewed and the doctor's like, listen, there is no moral question about abortion. It's a little thing in a Petri dish. It's like, it's absolutely fine. There's no moral issue with that. And I remember me and my wife were laughing about it where we were just kind of like, well, obviously you have to have that opinion.

You know, you've been an abortionist for 30 years. Like you can't even allow yourself to question like that. Maybe there's a real moral issue with this because if there is like you could just see the social psychological incentive structure there, right? Like you can't start to consider this because if you did consider this, you're considering the possibility that you're what? Like, you know,

a serial baby murderer or something. So like, of course you better, like, I'm not even saying you could be completely pro-choice and you could still get my point, but it's like, obviously at a certain point, you're so dug in, you've been a part of this that you kind of have to justify it. And in a similar way,

Of course, the entire corporate media, it's the most bitter pill to swallow to even start to go like, oh, yeah, my wife left me for a shorter, fatter, broker, tiny-dicked guy because I'm a piece of shit. Because I was a terrible husband. You know what I mean? To even consider that is very painful. But of course—

For us, we're not a part of that. So it's very easy for us to consider it. And as soon as you consider it, this is why this is why Brian Stelter can never even bring that up on his show, because as soon as you bring that up, the answers are so overwhelming. It's like, you know, if if the thing was your wife, you know, leaving you for the shorter, broker, fatter guy. And then if you even start, you're like, well, I did beat her every day.

You're like, oh, yeah, ding, ding, ding. That's it. See, you just figured it out that quickly. And same with the corporate media. Like, why is trust evaporating? It's like, oh, yeah, because you guys got every single major story wrong for the last 25 years.

In the 21st century, we're about, I guess next year, yeah, next year, we're a quarter of the way through the 21st century, right? So in the 25 years of the 21st century, think about every major story. You give me one. Give me one that the corporate media didn't get completely wrong.

And obviously we could just rattle off the ones that they did and like huge stories, huge stories. The war in Iraq, the war in Afghanistan, the financial crisis, the COVID, the COVID vaccine, Russiagate, Hunter Biden laptop. I mean, you just just rattle them off. You were wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong. And and not, you know.

Not unintentionally. You weren't wrong. Like you just happened to get it wrong because you got them all wrong in one direction. You know, you got them all wrong in the direction of the powerful, the regime. So it's like, anyway, it's so obvious why people don't trust CNN. And as you said, it really was. I mean, the Internet really did help with that. I'm a big believer in like I think there is a.

I think that you can just, you can read on people, like on a very deep level in your soul, you can tell when someone's like a good faith, honest actor. And when someone's lying to you, like, I think, I think people who, who watch this show don't think that.

We're being honest. I think they know it. Now, I'm not saying they know. They may not think we're right about certain things. That's a totally different question. But I think they know that we are telling them what we really believe. And I think that most people, they just know that CNN is fucking lying to them.

Like they know they're lying and they're they're lying to you, you know, and I think there's something about that that you can read. At least most people can. I should. I mean, if we're being completely fair here, I should point out that the Gallup poll also did let us know that 31 percent of the population is full blown retarded.

And they still say that they have a great deal or fair amount of trust in corporate media. So there is 31% of the population. I'd have to imagine that they are

dumb, deaf, and blind, but they still think that the corporate media is telling them the truth. But 31% compared to nearly 70%, 69% who do not believe the media is, those numbers are really heavily in our favor. So I just think there's something tremendously encouraging about that. This show is sponsored by BetterHelp.

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Truth is getting out there. It's all right. It'll be interesting to see how they change their business model. If it's my guess is they will continue to try for censorship as anything else. I mean, their actual business model is being dishonest. It's just not having to compete with anybody. So you're forced to accept their dishonesty.

Yeah, the problem is and what's reflected in those numbers is that their business model does not work if other people can tell you the truth and point out their lies. So that censorship is required as, of course, Hillary Clinton admitted the other day, right? If we don't have the censorship, what were her words? We lose total control. Yes, and perhaps you've already lost total control.

All right. So that kind of transitions into my next thing that I wanted to talk about. And also, I got a video clip here that I want to play about it. But, you know, as we get very, very close to this election, and it's a pretty difficult one to predict, if you ask me right now. But one thing that I think you can predict with near certainty is that

the the balkanization of America is going to continue and that whatever happens on November 5th or perhaps we won't know on November 5th. So whatever happens in the following week or two, nobody who loses is going to believe it. Like if Donald Trump wins, there will be an explanation from the other side that involves he didn't really win.

You know, maybe it'll be Russian interference again. I don't know. Are they dumb enough to go back to that one? Maybe. But...

And I think you can guarantee with 100% accuracy that if Donald Trump loses, he's going to say he didn't really lose and his people are going to believe him that he didn't really lose. I think that is a certainty. And that I also think is very encouraging. Like you'll notice that the same people who are freaking out about that poll are

the same people who are freaking out about the prospect of Donald Trump not accepting the election results because it's what we're going to be going into in this new chapter of American history is a chapter where no like there is no faith in the institutions or the

or their mouthpieces aka the corporate media and again you know my perspective is that this regime is evil and that the the corporate media is essentially state media and so from my perspective that's just a really great thing it's a really great thing if people don't trust an evil regime who does not have their best interest at heart um anyway the topic of

of the elections and whether they're real or not came up recently. I thought this was a very interesting moment. It was on 60 Minutes. The top Pennsylvania election official, Al Schmidt, was interviewed about fraud in the elections, or at least the topic came up. Let's play this clip because I thought this was pretty interesting.

What's the reality? Voter fraud is widespread. Voter fraud never happens. There is no evidence whatsoever that voter fraud takes place in any way that is widespread at all. If a non-citizen tried to cast a ballot, would you be able to catch it? That's just not something that happens because when it gets identified, there are severe consequences, whether it's prosecution and/or deportation from the country.

What's the reality? Voter fraud is widespread. Voter. All right. So this is a, I don't know, Rob, do you want to respond to this? I just, I found this to be so interesting because the, it's like he goes, there is no voter fraud. It doesn't happen on a widespread level. And of course that just kind of begs the question, like, well, what's your definition of widespread? Yeah.

Cause like I could even accept that that's true. I mean, listen, as you guys know who listen to the show, my, my, I don't like ever claim to like be like there was voter fraud in the 2020 election or there wasn't voter fraud. I don't, my starting point is that everything is fake. I don't believe any of it. All of the entire, because I just know, I know the entire media are permeated by liars. I know, I,

The entire political class is permeated by liars. They're all lying. And so I don't know what I'm supposed to trust their system. That doesn't make any sense to me. But when you say that voter fraud is not widespread, I guess the problem with that is that all of the presidential elections, at least certainly in the last three cycles, have had razor thin margins. Like,

You know, you ever go look through like in the in the 2016 election between Trump and Hillary Clinton in the 2020 election between Trump and Biden, like the whole election came down to like six or seven counties. You know, like it's like these swing counties within the swing states where I mean, what was the number of votes that Donald Trump was asking the Georgia secretary of state to find him?

Do you remember, Rob? It was a couple thousand. Yeah, it was only like it was like a small amount of votes. Like he's like, you know, whatever it was, I can't remember. I'd have to double check. But he was asking for like tens of thousands at the most, you know. And so, like, let's say there's tens of thousands of instances of voter fraud. Well, it'd be very easy to say that's not widespread. Right.

Right? I mean, according to the official numbers, what was it? Donald Trump got like 71 million votes and Joe Biden got like 80 million votes. So if you had, say, like 200,000 fraudulent votes, you could pretty easily with a straight face say that's not widespread. You know, that's not really the question now, is it, Rob? The question isn't whether it's widespread. The question is, could it potentially make the difference?

And that's a whole different question. And then sorry, go ahead. Well, the second half of the lie is great, too, because it would be like if I said, hey, does anyone drive drunk on the roads? And you answered, of course not, because if you do, there's heavy fines and even criminal penalties of going to jail. But people drive drunk all the time. And if you want proof of the fact that people drive drunk all the time, how many cases do you guys prosecute? And if you brought a statistician out, how many people are you actually busting?

So he's not actually giving you any proof for the fact that it doesn't happen. The way that this question could be answered honestly is

is you would imagine if voting was like going to the airport. I go to the airport now, not only are they checking my ID, they got their facial recognition software to, I guess, to weigh it against the ID. So if we actually had honest and fair elections, the way that they would say is that every single year people attempt voter fraud, and we know that we are able to catch it and that it does not have a substantial impact on the election,

because we check every ID, we do it against facial recognition software, and aside from that, every single year we send out fake voters to see how many people we can get past our system, and we catch 99 out of 100 of our fake voters. - Right, right. - So it's impossible for there to be a level of voter fraud that is affecting our election. And then you would go, we have a further fail safe, and then you could come up with whatever nonsense.

But that would be an actual system. What this guy does is he uses tricky sales language, and that's why he's got herpes coming out of his eyeballs. And he sits there calmly, and he goes, well, we don't have – we absolutely do not have any level of voter fraud in the scale of widespread – like, so you're already clarifying your statement as what I just said is not true. And then he goes on to say, and the reason that I know that is because there's penalties for doing so. Penalties for doing so is not proof that the activity doesn't take place. It's just –

Yeah, this isn't even like in this is just objective. This isn't even opinion and opinion. That logic just doesn't hold you when they because she specifically asks. She goes, well, how do you know you're catching all of them? How do you know some of them aren't getting past you? And he goes, well, we know because there's penalties. Well, first of all, that I mean, first of all, I would I don't know. I'd like to look into the numbers. How many people have been prosecuted or deported for fraudulently voting?

please give me the numbers on that. If anyone out there has them. But yeah,

Right. To your point, that doesn't prove anything. That doesn't prove that no one gets through. And you're exactly right. And the airport example is perfect. Like if someone were to ask you, if someone were to say, hey, I think that people are fraudulently getting into the airport, meaning someone who claimed to be someone else is getting into the airport, you could very confidently say to them, no, that's not happening. But the answer wouldn't be no, because you get punished if you get caught. Right.

That'd just be stupid. The answer would be, no, listen, dude, this is going to be really hard. I mean, first of all, what are you going to do? Come with a fake ID? Well, guess what? They scan your ID. If you come with a fake ID, they're going to catch that right away because you have an ID and they scan it. And then you can say the facial recognition software, whatever. But that would be your argument. And again,

Look, use the example you use. Perfect example. Drunk driving. Now, unlike this mass amount of people being prosecuted and deported for voter fraud, which I just do not think is happening in large number. Maybe I'm wrong about that, but I do not think so. But.

Drunk driving, I mean, there are, you know, DUIs are happening all the time. People get in every single city and every single, you know, town and every state in America. There are people who get arrested for drunk driving and there's pretty harsh penalties for it. But.

If you were to say, does anyone drunk drive and get away with it? We all know the answer is, of course, of course, that happens all the time. Also, in every single town, in every single city, in every single state in America, there are people who are driving drunk. You see, if you don't believe me, go go drive down Route 36 in New Jersey. That's the Jersey Shore highway there. Go drive there in the summer.

Let me tell you something. There's drunk drivers all over that goddamn road. So right there, it just proves how much this logic fails. You could have harsh punishments for something and that in no way indicates, let alone proves that no one's getting away with it. And so again, you're just like, you look at this and you're like, okay, if you have this mass, this problem, which the corporate media seems to think is the biggest problem in the United States of America,

that Donald Trump denied the results of the last election and still won't admit he lost. Every single J.D. Vance interview, every Trump interview with the corporate media, every debate, this is always going to come up. So you're bringing this guy out to what? Assure people that the elections are legitimate? Well, you got to do better than this.

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So are there any harmful effects? No, it's safe and effective. Whereas usually when people are being honest, you'll get a more nuanced answer. You get an honest doctor, you'll get a nuanced answer. Hey, I'm recommending this for all my patients. I think the good outweighs the bad. And yes, here are the following side effects, but we're mostly only seeing them in these individuals.

When you start hearing the honest kickers. That's right. If you said if you go, well, look, there's risks in anything. And I believe that the benefits outweigh the risks of this, you know, of this treatment. And I think that the risks of not getting this treatment are substantially higher than the risk of getting it. That's that's what honesty would at least sound like from a medical professional.

So there's something even scarier about this, which is if they can't give you a number, it means they don't know. So for example, stores all know that there's theft in their stores and they can usually tell you, hey, we lose 5% of our profits each year to people stealing.

And, oh, look, we actually hired this security team and we were able to lower that to 3%. If you're here and you're just saying, hey, it doesn't exist, and I know it doesn't exist because we have harsh penalties for it, and then the follow-up question would be, okay, well, you said it's not substantial. How much of it actually does take place? If he doesn't have a specific number, that means you have no idea. Wow. That's...

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, we'll hit that, Natalie. Yeah, well, it's also like, imagine your example was the airport and you didn't have to bring an ID.

And they didn't have facial recognition technology. And there was just not there. There weren't even metal detectors, you know, like there's there's just or maybe there were metal detectors, but whatever. Like there's not there's just not you could just walk right through and go in. And then you went, hey, I think this system is like set up that people could just be lying about who they are. Let's just say hypothetically that to get on a plane, all you had to do was give them an address.

And maybe you had to sign something that says, I am the person who I claimed I am. And in that scenario, you were going, yeah, no, but no one's getting in there because there's punishments for it. That's more, that's much more analogous to what's actually going on here.

It's so crazy. It's so goddamn insane. And obviously, this has been obvious for a very long time, but it's obvious that election security is not a priority. And in fact, keeping elections unsecure seems to be a priority because anytime anyone suggests that you should have like signature verification or ID, that's

All the progressives start, you know, melting down about how you're stripping people of their right to vote. This is an attack on democracy and it's also racist, right? Even though nobody thinks checking ID is racist in any other context.

No, I've never heard anybody talking about how liquor stores are racist against black people or how Amtrak or government buildings or any of the other things when security is important, you always check ID. That is the system we have in this country. You could be for that or against that, but that's the system we have now. And so it's either always racist or it's never racist. It can't only be racist when it comes to elections.

This is nutty. You know, I also I always love the racist line because they're not actually saying that checking the idea is racist. They're saying that it's more difficult for minorities to get the licenses. And so the system is racist. So why not fix the racist system?

the checking of an ID is not racist. You're saying that it's difficult. So the rest of their lives are more difficult. And for some reason, we're not trying to fix this racist system that makes it more difficult for minorities to get necessary identification. It's not what I'm saying is it's not even an excuse because so you're leaving people without identification and they're having other hassles in their life and you're not looking to address the racist system. Well, that's my point is that it's,

Right. It's the same point, just stated differently. If that's the case, then OK. But then the government building and Amtrak and airports and liquor stores are all participating in this racist system because it's harder for black people. By the way, I don't think you talk about the bigotry of low expectations. I don't think I've ever heard anything more insulting than black people are just so stupid they can't figure out how to get I.D.,

I don't know. I've known a lot of black people in my life. Every last one of them had identification. I just don't, I do not buy into this idea that it is just too impossible for black people to figure out how to go to the same DMV that we all go to. And every time I've been to the DMV, there's always many different people of different racial groups.

at the DMV there with me. It was never just like, oh, we got a nice clan meeting going here at the DMV today. But yeah, so right. So it doesn't make any sense at all. And yes, if you actually believed that, then yes, you would probably be moving toward like a,

oh let's make it easier to get id like if that's the problem then work on it from that end not we can't have secure elections because of the the issue uh it's just it's anyway it's

All I'm saying is, again, I'm somebody who doesn't really have a dog in this fight. If somehow we figured it out tomorrow and it came out that there was no fraud in the 2020 election and no illegals were voting and no dead people were voting, I'd be like, okay, that's

That's fine. And if it came out that there was massive fraud, I'd also be like, I'm not surprised. I don't really have a dog in this fight. I don't really care one way or the other. I'm just I can analytically look at this and go, if you're saying a lot of people don't trust the system, and this guy's here to try to assure you that you should trust the system. This makes no fucking sense. What he just said is complete bullshit.

So if the media wants to get those trust numbers up more and if they actually want people to trust the elections, you're going to have to do something better than this. This ain't going to cut it. OK, I do want to I want to we're up against time here and I do I will address the Natalie just mentioned that there are people in the chat who wanted to ask about wanted me to mention the Rogan stuff.

I'll get into that. I'll just say, but I don't have any info. I haven't talked to Joe about whether he's having Kamala Harris on or Trump on or stuff like that. So I don't know the answer. I saw that Donald Trump said... Here, I'll just do it now because there's not that much to talk about. I saw that...

Trump said he was going on Rogan. I hope that's true. I think that would be great. And then I've seen it being reported here that evidently Kamala Harris's team is in talks about going on it. If that is true, which I have not asked Joe about, you know what? I'm going to ask him, but here's the thing. If I ask him about it, then I can't really say the,

the answer on air. Cause it's not my place to, to say it if he doesn't want to. Um, but I haven't asked him yet. So I can talk about it on air. Now, if that is true, then my, the title of the last episode about how Democrats are getting desperate. Uh, I was understating the case. They are, they are far more desperate than I could have even imagined if she's considering going on Rogan's podcast, because it is a high likelihood that,

80% somewhere in that ballpark that she completely tanks her campaign if she does that. I think it's a mistake for either one of them to go on Joe Rogan's podcast. And the reason I say that is

Joe Rogan is best in the business and if you're being honest with him, it will be the best platform for you to honestly present whatever your views and opinions are. And if you lean more socialism, you can be Bernie Sanders and you can be talking about free healthcare for everyone and that might groove with Joe and you might not tick the bullshit detector because

He does have a sensibility, I think, for a fairness to wealth redistribution. But it might be different than our outlook. With that said, if you lie and he knows that you're lying...

It's a three hour format and you can't just easily bully him or try and skirt if he gets if he if he detects it and goes, hey, I want to dig in on this. And you try and use any of your cheap tactics to move on to another topic or not address it. You will be ruined. And we've seen that happen with with Dr. Gupta. We've seen that happen with. So for like if Trump were to go on with Tucker, I that would make sense because I think Tucker could could kind of cover for him.

I think it's a mistake for Trump to go on if he's on ahead in the polls, because while Trump like I watched a little bit of Trump on Schultz and you remember Trump's a TV star. He's the rock Oprah level talent TV star that if you're not going to attack him, he'll sit there. I'll hang out with you. He'll be funny. He'll be charming. But if you really want to start digging into some actual policy, that's not what Trump's good at. I.

Listen, I told this, I said this to Joe, I think it was last year. It was when, I think it was like after the first time that Trump came to a UFC event and the internet had like these rumors that like, oh, you know, it was just like, oh, they met each other and everyone saw that. So then they were like, oh, like, is he going to go on Rogan's podcast, blah, blah, blah. So I was in Austin and we were in the green room at the mothership and I asked him about it.

Like I was like, oh, are you going to have a Trump on? And he was like, I don't know. I'm not sure what we're going to do. And and I said to him, I said, that might be a really bad idea for Donald Trump. And and he was like, why? He was curious. Like, why do you think that? And I said, I go, well, the thing is, dude, like you're a human bullshit detector and he's a bullshit artist.

And like, so I don't know. How's that going to, how's that going to work? That's really, it's one of the reasons why Rogan is the biggest thing in the world. It's not the only reason there's, there's several, but one of the reasons why Joe is so huge and why he's so great at what he does is because he is, it's like, you remember in meet the parents,

When De Niro could just like hold, he was a human lie detector, like he could just hold your wrists and know if you were lying or whatever. Rogan's kind of like that. And he is, Rogan is incredibly interested and incredibly open-minded. So if you start talking to him and you start telling him some real shit that you really believe, and there's like a compelling argument to it,

He'll just be totally open and give you a chance and be like, okay, let me ask you more about this. Let me dig into this a little bit. But as soon as he senses bullshit, he's very quick. Like it's like, Oh, that was bullshit. Okay. And he's very, and I don't even think he could, I don't think he could not do that if he wanted to. It's just too much who he is as a person. He doesn't, he doesn't like lies. And so like, you know, like, and I've had, by the way, I've had moments where,

where I was on the show with him before, where something I said smelled like bullshit to him. And you could see it right away where he's like, yeah, but I don't think that makes sense because this and that. But every time I've always had...

Like I'm not bullshitting. So every time I've always been like, well, no, no, no. What I'm saying is this. And then he goes, oh, okay. All right. I get your point. You know, but like he's, if he smells bullshit, he's gonna hone in on that. He can't not do it. That's just who he is. He's, he's a very authentic person. It's part of the reason why he's so successful and beloved. And, and,

I completely agree with you. I just think there's a really good chance that that could be a huge mistake for Donald Trump. There is a really, really good chance that that could be a huge mistake for Kamala Harris. I think Trump could get through it. I don't think Kamala could get through it because even in the best case scenario, uh,

Rogan does a great job of almost humanizing characters that in other platforms were unlikable, where he really brings out the charm in other individuals and lets them share their stories. Kamala Harris isn't a person. She's not a human being. There's nothing actually likable there. I watched there was a short clip of Kamala Harris where she was talking about how she's into Formula One racing. And even if that's true, and I bet that's a conversation that Rogan could have,

And with anyone else, maybe that could become a 30 minute thing where you get into the ins and outs of cars and why it's so interesting. And I promise you, if you were to dig into that moment with Kamala Harris, even if it's true that she does like Formula One racing, she would somehow make that conversation unlikable. 100%. Yeah, 100%. It's just it's going to be it. It's 80% might have been too low.

It's going to it's there's such a high likelihood that she would just have very, very bad moments. And one more thing. Joe Rogan's not agreeing to do a fluff piece interview. You know, the same way Howard Stern was like, hey, I'm going to put you over. And we 60 minutes reedited for her.

If you're going on Joe Rogan, you're playing by Joe Rogan's rules. He's not going, yeah, I'll have you on and I'll keep to your rules. It's, no, you can come on and do my show in the way I do my show. And Donald Trump has skills that, you know, he's been attacked by the media over the years. And, you know, maybe even with Rogan pressing, he goes, I'll fix it. I'm leaving it at that, Joe. Let's move on. Like, he might be able to navigate it. Kamala Harris cannot. Right.

Listen, you're 100% right about all of that. And by the way, for people who don't know, if you think Rob is like being a tad bit hyperbolic or something like that, Howard Stern says in the interview...

that his goal was to get her over. He said he was nervous that the interview may not go great for her. And like, he just wanted to make sure, like his role there was to get her over. So that's literally, and Rogan is not that dude. And I do think that there's something, there's something to the fact that like Rogan and Trump are both,

like alpha males, like these are both guys who are like dominant men. You know, there's a reason why like they rose to the top of their industry. And so Trump at least has that going for him where she just has none of it. And also doesn't have any authentic views. I mean, it would just, it would be a disaster for her to go on. So yes, let's hope it happens.

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Sometimes I'm thrilled if you haven't seen it because I'm like, I want that moment on air of you seeing this for the first time. This was great.

Just incredible to me. I didn't catch this until right after we recorded yesterday. But so Brett Baier had on his show on Fox News Sunday, he had one of the former CIA agents who signed on to the Hunter Biden laptop letter that said it had all the earmarks of Russian disinformation.

And we've talked about this a bunch, how like almost none of these guys have ever been held to account in any way, including just being grilled in an interview about it. Let's go to this clip, Rob, and see if you're as blown away by the attitude that this guy has about the whole thing. Let's play it and then we can discuss.

has all the classic earmarks of a Russian campaign in the way it was disseminated and propagated through media. Do you regret signing onto the letter? Oh, absolutely not, because those words are still true. It has all the classic earmarks. Oh, absolutely not. No, this is... Even though it wasn't true. It had the classic earmarks, but it wasn't true.

What is not true? That it was Russian disinformation. That's not what we said in the letter. Read the actual letter. And we said we do not know if this is Russian disinformation. It has all the classic earmarks of a Russian information operation. Exactly. The difference between an information campaign and a disinformation campaign and a misinformation campaign. It's not my fault if people don't look up definitions. I know, but the purpose of the letter is to have an effect.

And the nuance that you're talking about here never made it to candidate Biden because he said it plainly on a debate stage that obviously affected the dynamic. Don't you think? I would absolutely love for all news media to show nuance on all these issues instead of racing to soundbites. And in this case, some news media raced to soundbites. That's not helpful for the American people. And I really wish that people... You think your letter was helpful for the American people? Well, instead of quoting one sentence from it, people actually read maybe an entire paragraph. It shows that you don't know if it's Russian. It affected anything?

I don't know if it affected anything. We don't analyze American political environments. What we're trying to do is point out that this has all the classic earmarks of a Russian information campaign, not to say it's Russian disinformation, but to say that the propagation through American media and international media has all the classic earmarks of a Russian information campaign because we've seen it over and over and over again. They love to sow these kind of divisions and exacerbate them. That's not American. That's Russian.

I got you. Yeah, but it ended up being a Biden information campaign because he used it. I got to hop in. This is just... Well, this is... Here, this is the end of it. So just play the very end of it and then, Rob, you can take it. In the campaign and in that debate. I encourage you to ask him about that. And I will. Thank you very much. You bet. Okay, go ahead, Rob.

this is exactly the way government operates where I was just saying this thing I never this is covet all over again with uh hey I never told you had to get this vaccine I just was listening to that guy and that guy's Authority and then it everyone points fingers to someone else so they know exactly what they're doing they're very good at their legal technicalities and so they put forward

oh, this has all the earmarks of a Russian misinformation campaign. And then right away, the next branch of government goes, okay, well, then we have to remove this and we got to put pressure on the tech companies. And the tech companies go, oh, we have to remove this from the internet because they're telling us. And then you could be standing on the sidelines and go, wait, no, no, no, that technically that's not what they said. And so there's no reason for you to be in the censorship. And they go, no, we have to take this off the internet because that's what they said. And then when it turns out to be false, you go back up the command chain. Oh, well, we never said that.

They know exactly what they're doing every single time. This is the playbook so that no one can ever be found guilty in government for overstepping their authority. They go, well, it's our recommendation that we think it would be dangerous. And so therefore you should close your stores. And then the next branch of government, your government comes in, governor comes in and goes,

Well, I'm working off the CDC, so I have to close your store. Then we find out your store didn't need to be closed. And we go, let's hold the governor responsible. I'm not responsible. I was listening to the health authorities. You go to the health authorities. Well, we're not the governor. We were just making a recommendation about health based on what we knew at the time. We don't have the authority to close your store. And so everyone gets to point at the other one. I was just listening to that guy. I was listening to that guy. And then no one's ever held accountable.

But they all know exactly what they're doing. He put out the exact language of what they needed to put out so that they could have the story removed from the Internet and then be able to turn around three years or four years later and go, no, we never said that it is Russian misinformation.

Yes. Well, look, just to make it clear for anybody, I mean, I'm sure most of you guys know this, right? But the story here is, is that four years ago, almost to the day, it was, I don't remember the exact date, but it was in October four years ago. So in October of 2020, the

The big October surprise was that Hunter Biden, the son of Joe Biden, had left his laptop at a computer repair store. He didn't go back to pick it up. And the way the contract works with these computer repair stores is you forfeit ownership.

of the laptop and the guy who then starts looking through this realizes it's Hunter Biden's there's all this interesting information on there and Rudy Giuliani ultimately gets a copy of the hard drive and

Part of the information that came out about this, and remember, this is the first time that people knew this, was that Hunter Biden was involved in incredibly lucrative business deals with foreign governments and foreign companies that were very well connected to the government in areas like Russia.

particularly the one with Burisma in Ukraine, an energy company where Joe Biden had been the point man on a U.S.-backed coup that removed the democratically elected President Yanukovych. And

They then hired Hunter Biden, a person who had no experience in the energy sector and did not speak the language. And they're paying him like hundreds of thousands of dollars a month just to be on their board. Now, however you feel about this.

That is newsworthy. That is a scandal. Like there's just no getting around that. And so when they come out and they write this this letter where they had 50 intelligence people, including four former heads of the CIA, and they come out and say this has all the earmarks.

Of Russian disinformation. And then, by the way, we also know that the FBI had met with Zuckerberg and like to get ahead of this story, there's going to be a big Russian dump. It's going to be involving the Biden family. And so they got all these, as you said, the social media companies to censor the story. But then even more so than that.

They created the moment where at the debate stage, when Donald Trump brings it up, like any politician would, any politician would bring this up because it's a scandal on their opponent. And he goes, well, look, your son is totally corrupt. He's like totally getting all these corrupt deals. What did you know about this? Were you involved in it? Joe Biden can look and say, hey, listen,

50 high-level intelligence officers, including four heads of the CIA, have all said this is Russian disinformation. And then the moderator goes, fact check, true. That is what happened. And so it can take for anyone who's in that 32% of dummies who still believes in any of this shit, they go, oh, well, there, I guess we have our answer. This October surprise is a big nothing burger. And that's the reason they did it.

And again, just to be clear, the week it came out four years ago today, me and you both said this is real. This is Hunter Biden's laptop. This is not Russian disinformation because it was obvious already at the time they had already run like these basic things where, you know, one of the things you could do and Rudy Giuliani is not a genius, but he's smart enough to know this. So one of the things you could do is you start going through the emails and you can start contacting the people on the other end of the email.

And be like, hey, was this your email? And they verified all of it immediately. So we all knew this was real. It took another year plus for the entire corporate media to admit it's real. Everybody now admits it's real. Nobody is hanging on to the lie. Even Hunter Biden, they sued them.

Hunter Biden sued the fucking computer repair shop saying that they stole his property. Well, how can you sue him if it's not really yours? Right. They lost, I believe, or maybe that's still in. They're still pursuing that, but they're not going to win that suit because he signed the goddamn contract. It's just that he's a crackhead and crackheads do crazy things. The old Dave Chappelle line. There's lots of things. There's chocolate to eat, crack to smoke. Got to move. And so that's that.

But for him to come out and say this, it's like it's such bullshit. This is why trust in the media is evaporating, right? Because it's such bullshit. Obviously, you wrote that letter to suppress the October surprise that maybe could have gotten Donald Trump elected. And Brett Bayer even, who's really, I mean, not much of a journalist, but...

But it seemed like even that was too far for him. Like even that was over his line. And he's like, oh, dude, come on. You totally affected. Listen, it's blatant election interference. They clearly affected the results of a 2020 of the 2020 election. And that was their goal. That was their intent.

And so there's this lie about like, well, if you actually read the whole thing, what if you read the whole thing, you'd realize what that we left ourselves plausible deniability that we left ourselves a little bit of wiggle room. I mean, technically, we never said we know for sure this is fake. We just said, like, sure, does seem like it.

A whole bunch. I'm like, get out of here, man. This might be more clear in what happened with COVID. And it's why I've said we need the Clear Authority Act that if government's going to do something, they have to actually mandate it and state what their authority to do so is. And then be held responsible for if they were overstepping as opposed to this game that they play where...

Essentially, they take away a freedom from you. And then when you prove that you were supposed to have that freedom, they go, well, we were never taking that from you. And even in this case, when they put that out, if you were to go, hey, you know, they're not actually telling you that that's Russian information. They're putting the kicker on it. They would go they would accuse you of misinformation. You might even been taken off of YouTube and they would go, no, that's dangerous for you to say. And you could be like, no, that's they're not even owning their own words.

And so it's what happened with COVID. They close your business. Then you have to prove that they didn't have the authority to close your business. And then they can turn back around Weasley and go, oh, yeah, we never said we were just making a recommendation. We didn't have the authority to do that. It was just a recommendation. It's the same thing here. They know exactly what they're doing. They have their lawyers. It should have to be with clear authority. Are you making a statement?

statement that this is actually Russian misinformation? Or are you putting a kicker in there so you don't have liability? And if you don't want the liability, then you shouldn't be allowed to make the statement. It's one of the worst things about government is that it's that exact dynamic that when the music stops, there's no one to be held accountable.

ever. You know, I mean, like even if like if the government, let's say like ruins your life, I don't know. Let's say for hypothetically, they lie, they lie us into a war in Iraq and they kill a million people and something like 15 million people are displaced. Well, what can those 15 million people do? What like and even theoretically, if you could sue the US government and hold them responsible, well, OK,

But, you know, the problem with that is that governments, it's like Stefan Molyneux used to say, governments, much like ghosts and goblins, do not exist. There's no such thing. It's all a social construct. It's all an idea. I mean, there's buildings in Washington, D.C., and there's people who we call, like, congressmen inside of those buildings, but there's no thing. And so, well, who are you going to, like...

There's no mechanism by which like we actually take Dick Cheney's house and give it to an Iraqi. You know what I mean? And so there's all you could do, even if you want a lawsuit against the government. Well, the government doesn't exist. All that exists is their ability to tax the American people. So then what? You would just sue the American people, essentially the people who were lied into the war as well.

So you never have any mechanism where you actually hold the people accountable. And that's really the problem. Like when a politician lies us into a war and it comes out that he lied and the war is a disaster, that politician should lose his house.

Like you should lose something tangible. There should be something, you should have real skin in the game where you are personally liable in the same way that any other person would be if they caused that level of catastrophe. Like you'd be responsible for it. But there's no mechanism for that when it comes to the people who control the state. Okay, we got to wrap up on that. Thank you guys very much for listening. We'll be back tomorrow with a brand new episode. Catch you then. Peace.

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