After ten minutes of meeting John Michael Schert, I asked him to be on the podcast. He didn’t even know I had a podcast, and I didn’t really know anything about him – I just knew that he was awesome.

In this episode, John Michael and I talk about how to get out of your own way, the impact of his mother coming out when he was a teenager, what he learned from being a dancer, and learning to give space to the unknown. Sound heavy? It sorta is. But it’s also one of my favorite episodes yet.

Here’s John Michael

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Show Notes:John Michael on Instagram The Economics Of Suspense via NYT Chicago Booth School Of Business Does Jesus Really Love Me? Flow: The Psychology Of Optimal Experience Treefort Music Fest Trey McIntyre Project Fattoush Salad via The Kitchn

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Episode 32: Getting Out Of Your Own Way + Learning To Listen With John Michael Schert