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Trump vs Democracy: Two Historians’ Perspectives

2024/11/7
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Donald Trump
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Kara Swisher
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Lindsay Chervinsky
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Timothy Naftali
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Lindsay Chervinsky: 我对特朗普的胜选感到非常惊讶,这让我不得不重新思考我对选举运作方式、重要因素以及我对世界和民主以及美国人民的总体乐观态度的认知。我试图为学习留出空间,但我现在只是非常、非常惊讶。 我对美国制度的脆弱性感到担忧,因为这些制度在很大程度上依赖于人们的诚信。 我认为,我们今天之所以感到自满,是因为我们认为这个国家已经存在了两百多年,当然会继续存在下去。但我们从其他国家的经验中知道,共和国并非总是能够生存下去。 我认为,华盛顿会对当今政治中的谎言感到震惊,因为他试图保持超然于党派纷争之外。 Timothy Naftali: 我并不感到惊讶,因为我悲哀地意识到,对很多美国人来说,1月6日事件并不重要。特朗普能够再次获得提名并取得成功,这说明了美国自身的一些问题。 我认为,安德鲁·杰克逊也寻求报复,但他寻求报复的对象主要是一个人,而不是半个国家。 我认为,尼克松会羡慕特朗普所处的媒体环境,因为他觉得很难控制自己的形象。 我认为,尼克松和特朗普的区别在于,尼克松感到羞愧,而特朗普则没有。 我认为,羞耻感不仅在选举中很重要,在弹劾中也很重要。 我认为,威权主义者通过恐吓人民来夺取权力,我们应该行使我们的公民权利,不要让恐惧阻止我们。 Kara Swisher: 让我震惊的是,很多人明知特朗普是一个多么糟糕的人,依然投票给他,这感觉是一个非常有意的选择。 特朗普现在可能拥有所有三个政府部门的权力,他承诺对选民进行报复,并承诺设立大规模驱逐出境营地,以及起诉他的对手。

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The episode begins with the surprise victory of Donald Trump, eliciting initial reactions from the historians. They discuss parallels between the challenges of the 1790s and today's political climate, noting similarities in political polarization, foreign interference, and the fragility of institutions.
  • Trump's surprising victory
  • Historians' initial reactions
  • Parallels between 1790s and present-day challenges
  • Fragility of institutions

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President-elect Donald J. Trump has won a resounding victory against Vice President Kamala Harris, and now, the man who promised political retribution and said he may use the military to go after “the enemy within” is headed back to the White House. Only this time, there will be no guardrails — only enablers. In order to understand the threat Trump poses to our democracy, Kara talks to two historians who know a lot about the birth of American democracy and the last time we came close to losing it: Dr. Lindsay Chervinsky and Dr. Timothy Naftali. 

Chervinsky is a presidential historian and the executive director of the George Washington Presidential Library. Her newest book is Making the Presidency, John Adams and the Precedents that Forged the Republic). Naftali is a senior research scholar in the Faculty of International and Public Affairs at Columbia University and the former director of the federal Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum.

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