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Lessons Learned From Hitler’s Rise To Power

2024/4/8
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卡拉·斯威舍是一位知名的媒体评论家和播客主持人,专注于科技和政治话题的深入分析。
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Kara Swisher: 本期节目讨论了川普与希特勒的相似之处,以及美国政治分裂的潜在危险。节目嘉宾Timothy Ryback的新书《Takeover: Hitler’s Final Rise to Power》详细记述了希特勒在1933年掌权前的六个月,并探讨了这段历史与当代美国政治的关联。Swisher与Ryback讨论了魏玛共和国时期错判希特勒的政治人物,以及希特勒和川普崛起背后的相似之处,并提出了对未来美国大选的担忧。 Timothy Ryback: Ryback解释了他写作此书的原因,以及他如何通过研究1932年7月开始的每日新闻和日记,以及会议记录等资料,试图理解希特勒上台的过程并非不可避免。他强调了当时德国政治人物的误判,以及媒体在分裂公众舆论中的作用。Ryback还分析了施特拉瑟、施莱谢尔和哈默施泰因等关键人物在阻止希特勒上台过程中的作用,以及他们最终失败的原因。他指出,希特勒的成功并非历史的必然,而是多种因素共同作用的结果。 Ruth Ben-Ghiat: Ben-Ghiat的提问则更侧重于将历史教训应用于当代,她质疑那些认为“在美国不可能发生”的人,并希望Ryback能对此做出回应。 Timothy Ryback: Ryback回应了Ben-Ghiat的问题,他认为美国政治中存在与魏玛共和国时期相似的共鸣,并指出媒体在分裂公众舆论中的作用。他强调,虽然他不认为应该将川普与希特勒进行直接比较,但他认为美国也可能发生类似的事情。他认为,公众应该认真考虑川普的言论,并决定他们想要什么样的国家。

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The episode begins by discussing the comparisons between Donald Trump and Adolf Hitler, exploring whether these comparisons are merely rhetorical or if there are structural similarities between their movements and the political environments that facilitated their rise.

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There are a lot of Trump/Hitler comparisons being thrown around these days. So we went to the source, as chronicled by historian Timothy Ryback in his new book Takeover: Hitler’s Final Rise to Power. Ryback zooms in on the final six months before Adolf Hitler dissolved the government of the Weimar Republic, revealing that Nazi Germany was not inevitable. Kara and Ryback discuss the Berlin power players that misjudged Hitler’s bankrupt party, and the (not just rhetorical) similarities between the ascendance of Hitler and Donald Trump.

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