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How to Prevent War with China with Dmitri Alperovitch and Chris Krebs

2024/4/25
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@Dmitri Alperovitch :中国可能在2028年入侵台湾,这是一场可能造成灾难性后果的战争。他预测的依据是与普京入侵乌克兰的相似之处,以及中国领导人习近平的野心和对自身历史地位的追求。他认为,美国必须采取一切措施来阻止这场冲突,因为即使胜利,也会给世界带来灾难性的后果。他详细阐述了2028年可能发生入侵的原因,包括中共的内部政治时间表、台湾的选举、洛杉矶奥运会以及美国总统大选等因素。他还强调了台湾对中国的地缘战略重要性,以及中国在南海采取的‘切香肠’战术。 @Chris Krebs :中国可能通过网络攻击来削弱美国的军事和政治能力,为入侵台湾创造条件。他描述了中国可能采取的两类网络攻击:一类是针对美国军事和国防工业基础设施的攻击,以削弱美国的军事实力;另一类是针对美国民用关键基础设施的攻击,以扰乱社会秩序,削弱美国的政治意志。他还谈到了中国长期以来在信息战和宣传方面的努力,以及其在利用美国公司进行游说等方面的策略。他认为,虽然中国正在为入侵台湾做准备,但他对中国是否会入侵台湾持保留态度。 Chris Krebs: 他分析了美国对华政策中‘降低风险’和‘脱钩’的区别,认为‘降低风险’是更可行的策略。他认为,美国应该减少对中国的依赖,同时保持沟通渠道,并指出许多公司正在将业务多元化到中国以外的地区。他还讨论了微软的安全漏洞问题,认为微软的安全文化存在缺陷,其网络安全漏洞是可以预防的,这给美国国家安全带来了风险。他认为,中国可能会利用网络攻击来削弱台湾的防御能力,但最终仍需要军事入侵才能控制台湾。他还谈到了TikTok的问题,认为它应该被视为一家媒体公司,对其进行监管应该关注数据隐私和内容控制。他认为,美国应该加大对国内半导体产业的投资,以减少对台湾的依赖,但这需要长期和大量的投资。他还讨论了2024年美国大选期间可能面临的网络安全风险,包括针对选举基础设施的技术攻击、虚假信息宣传以及对选举工作人员的物理威胁。

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The episode discusses the growing concern among American lawmakers about China's activities, including spying, influence through TikTok, and potential aggression towards Taiwan.

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Kara discusses the “pacing threat” that is China – from TikTok to cyberattacks to semiconductors and Taiwan – with two cybersecurity experts: Dimitri Alperovitch, co-founder and former CTO of CrowdStrike and author of the new book World on the Brink: How America Can Beat China in the Race for the 21st Century, and Chris Krebs, Chief Intelligence Officer at SentinelOne and former Director of the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency under President Trump (until he was fired in a tweet for batting down Trump’s election lies).

The episode features an expert question from a previous On guest: former Congressman Mike Gallagher, the Republican from Wisconsin who chaired the Select Committee on the CCP. If you like this episode, make sure you go back to listen to that conversation as well. 

This conversation was taped live at American University on April 19, 2024.

Questions? Comments? Email us at on@voxmedia.com or find Kara on Instagram/Threads as @karaswisher  

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