32. Chris Watts - The Lying Father Part 2
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Hey everybody, welcome back to our podcast. This is Murder With My Husband. I'm Peyton Moreland. And I'm Garrett Moreland. And he's the husband. And I'm the husband. Welcome back. I know that last week we were going to try to get out two episodes, but it just ended up being a way busy week for both of us. And so we're here today with part two of Chris Watts' case, the Watts family case.

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So if you haven't listened to last week's case, go back and listen. It's Chris Watts part one. Go back and listen to that one because we are going to be jumping right into the middle of the story. So I don't want you to be lost. But a recap for those who have listened. Last week we discussed how Shanann and Chris, who had two daughters, Bella and Cece, Shanann was pregnant with Nico, their baby boy. She was 15 weeks pregnant at the time.

We discovered that Chris was having an affair with Nicole, bad Nicole, with bad Nicole. And Shanann was starting to feel like something was wrong with Chris. She felt him pulling away. They were fighting a lot. She went on a trip, came home in the middle of the night. And then when he woke up for work that morning, according to him, they proceeded to have a fight again.

That morning, he strangled her as well as his two daughters and then went to work. So then we jumped back into where good Nicole, which is Shanann's friend, comes over to her house in the morning because she's not replying to texts. She's worried about her. She calls the cops. Chris comes home. He's acting super weird. We see all of this on the body cam footage of the police. And that's basically where we were at. They're finishing up at Shanann's house the day she went missing. Okay, I remember that now.

So after there is not much left to do at the house, the officer decides to go to the neighbor's house to watch the footage on his security cameras. Remember how neighbor Nate came over and was like, I could catch any footage that happened outside of this house. So the cop is like, let's go over there and actually watch the footage since we know he caught something. Chris goes with him.

It was with the cop over to Nate neighbor's house. And I've been curious about that footage since you brought it up last week. Yeah. So Chris is super, super antsy in this part of the police body cam footage. Let's remember it's not even been 12 hours since he murdered his wife and kids. And he's now going to watch himself cover up the murders on camera at his neighbor's house with an officer standing in the room.

He's scared out of his mind right now. And you can tell in the footage, like it is so eerie to watch. Oh, I'm sure. The neighbor pulls up the footage and when, so they're at the neighbor's house, he pulls up the footage. And when the officer asks a question about the footage, kind of confirming his interest in the footage. So they just have been pulling up the footage. And then he asks some question like, and does this record all day long? Or does this save all some, some random question. Mm-hmm.

Chris glances over like a teenager who is seeing if their parents have caught them in the middle of doing something wrong. Like he literally glances over as soon as the cop shows interest in the footage and his eyes are just like, he's just like, oh crap. Like I'm screwed. Yeah. I'm going to get caught. Yeah. Like, oh, he really does care about what's on this footage. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Chris is like, wait, does he think it's important? Does he really care? Am I getting found out? He's so suspicious. He's also sweating. Now you can see in the body cam footage that his face is damp. Wow. So the most unsettling part when watching this is that Chris is standing next to the TV and

That is facing the room while the neighbor, Nate and the officer are standing in the room. So instead of going and standing by the officer and by Nate in front of the TV to watch, he goes and stands next to the TV and faces the officer and Nate, almost like he doesn't want to watch what's on the TV. Like if he can't see it, it didn't happen. Which, you know, if that was me who was missing, you would be front and center on that TV. Like can't get it up fast enough. Show me the footage. Is anything on there? You know? Mm hmm.

Chris is once again looking down at his phone in this footage, trying to portray that he's not caring, he's not interested in whatever the neighbor is going to show them on the TV. Once again, he's doing this to downplay the magnitude that this footage could hold. If he pretends it's not that big a deal and shows disinterest, maybe they will too. Keep in mind, Chris most likely isn't consciously making this decision, but because he's guilty, he's automatically doing it.

Once he puts his phone away because he obviously needs to watch the footage with the other two, he starts babbling around defending everything they're watching. Oh, that's me pulling my truck in because I had to load my tools. Oh yeah, that's me opening. He's explaining away everything that they are watching instead of just watching to see if anything happened to his wife. Like, yeah, exactly. Watching to see, well, where's my wife at? Instead, he's justifying all the behavior that they're seeing. And keep in mind, this footage...

Their driveway is quite a ways away. It's kind of in the top corner of the footage. So it's not like you're even seeing even outlines like you can maybe see that there's movement going on inside, but it's not like super clear. It's just if a car had pulled up or when Chris pulled his truck halfway into the garage, you see it.

And then you can kind of see some movement, but there's no details or anything. Oh, so it's not like how our ring camera gets people that are on the sidewalk? It's not like that clear where you can see the people? It's not like that clear because it's the neighbor's house next door. So it's just kind of off in the background a little bit. So in the middle of the footage, he sighs, Chris sighs, and

And then looks away towards the door. He does not like the situation at all. He wants to leave. He's uncomfortable. This is more behavior analysis. Think of, you know, instinctual fight or flight. He wants to get out of there right now. He doesn't want to be confronting the situation that he's watching himself cover up the murders of his wife and daughters on camera right now. And you can't see detail, obviously, but he knows what's going on on the camera, even though it's not that obvious to everyone else.

It's like the feeling you get when you know you've done something wrong and people are looking at you and you're like, do they know too? Or like, is it just, you know what I'm saying? I just rather get out of here. He doesn't even want to confront the situation. This is the first time in all of the body cam footage that we see Chris act discreetly.

distressed. He's pacing. He's nervous. He puts his hand, both hands on top of his head and like clasps his fingers to relax his breathing. He's breathing so fast that it's like he just finished jogging. He puts his hands up there and it's just. And are they looking at him? Like do the cops turn around and go, what are you doing? No, no one says anything, but this is the first time. I mean, they were just in his home. He's not even acting distressed at all. But now that he's worried about what this camera caught, he's frustrated.

Freaking out that he has to lower his heart rate by putting his hands up on his head Also in the middle his glasses fall down. So he has his glasses on top of his head his sunglasses They literally fall down his face at one point because he's sweating so bad that they've lost their grip on his head Oh my gosh, he's freaking out Chris has no interest in using the neighbor's camera to find his wife and it's clearly obvious He uses this whole time to just defend his actions of pulling into the garage and loading his tools in

Because he knows that's not what he was doing. He just keeps justifying it to everyone. Even though no one asked twice why he did it. But he just keeps over and over stating, well, I was putting my tools in my car. And no one asked again. Yeah, I was going to ask, is the cop suspicious at all? Like, are those tools or are they not tools? I don't think...

I don't think at first they're thinking he's loading their bodies into his truck. But when he just keeps saying over and over, oh, I'm just loading my tools in. Oh no, I'm just loading my tools in. And they're not asking anything. He just says it out of the blue. They're kind of like, okay, we get it. You're loading your tools and you don't have to. But then when someone's acting like that, that defensive behavior, no interest more on the defensive mode than the investigative mode. I think they're like, they're obviously what the heck is going on here.

The neighbor, Nate, fast forwards through the rest of the day after you see Chris leave for work that morning. He fast forwards through the rest of the day explaining that if anyone had walked in or out of the house, a car had pulled in or out, he would have caught it. But it's clear that no one did. They fast forward through and no one comes in or out of the house. The TV they are watching the footage on goes black at one point because they've kind of just been talking about things.

But then Nate is sort of messing around with the remote and something pops up on the screen like from the station they were watching before they pulled up the security footage. And it's actually a baby in a womb on the screen. Like it's like some I don't know, maybe like a sci fi thing showing that process or whatever. And Chris looks at it, just glances at it and then turns to the officer and goes, oh, by the way, my wife is 15 weeks pregnant. Oh, wow. OK, yeah.

Chris keeps pacing, swaying, sighing, deflecting the rest of the video as the officer and Chris go to walk out of the door. They've finished watching all the footage. The officer stops and tells Chris to keep going. Go ahead and leave. I'm just going to stay back and get the neighbor's info real quick. You know, just police work.

Chris is like, okay, and walks out the door. As soon as the door closes, the neighbor immediately turns to the cop and goes, he's not acting right at all. No, Nate. Nate, the neighbor, right? Nate, the neighbor. I wonder, so what did the cop say back? So,

he's like yeah and he's like yeah he he tells him chris never pulls his truck halfway into the garage like that to load his tools it's weird that it took him 50 minutes i watch this footage every single morning i check my cameras every single morning he just walks from his door out with his lunch pal and his tools and gets in his truck and goes it shouldn't have took him 50 minutes and he goes you

you know, he's acting suspicious. He's swaying. He's pacing. He's like rambling. He goes, he doesn't even talk. He's the most quiet guy I've ever met in my life. And all of a sudden he's rambling off to just describing what he's done over and over. Oh my gosh. Nate needs to be the cop. That's so crazy. I mean, he does a good job. He's like, well,

the guy just lost his wife. She's missing. So, you know, we don't know how they would act. And the neighbor's like, Oh yeah, totally. But the neighbor knew something was wrong. And so did the cop, but he just had to, he had to play it off because they don't know where the investigation is going to take them at this point. It's like a total movie scene. As soon as he leaves and it's like, something is wrong. And it's so cool to watch. I would highly suggest you go watch that part with the neighbor on the body cam footage on YouTube, because it's,

He just instantly, the door closes and he turns to the cop with just these wide eyes. And it's like, he's not acting right at all. Wow. That's so crazy. It's so cool. I mean, okay. It's not cool, but from like someone who loves true crime point of view, I'm like, go neighbor Nate, go.

go totally yeah i was trying to stay off um social media off murder with my husband but i saw a couple comments that were like nate's a hero nate's the best i was like oh i need to get off or i'm gonna know what's going on yeah so this is kind of wraps up this whole part of the story for this day nothing super big happens the rest of the day

The next day, so now it's been one day since Shanann, Bella, and Cece, and Nico have been missing. When police go back to Chris's house, they have dogs, and they're going to send the cadaver dogs through the house to see if they can smell any body in there to see if maybe they were killed in there and taken out or whatever, whatever, just trying to get more clues to what's going on. And news stations come to the house at the same time to do interviews, local news stations. These interviews with Chris are...

Are the most awkward thing because you can tell he's lying in them and it's so uncomfortable These interviews have kind of become famous with this case whenever you read about this case or show It you know does a series on this case or whatever they include these interviews because if you have ever watched an interview And someone pleading for their family members to come back who have been kidnapped or missing you're like

well, this is the most suspicious behavior I have ever seen from a family member. Like I can't even explain it. He's emotionless. He's just kind of like his eyes are darting back and forth. And then like at some point he's just dead staring into the camera with like dead eyes. I just wish they'd come back. He's just not even there. No. And he's, he's kind of stuttering over his words, but it's not in like a,

I'm distressed because I don't know where my family is. And so I'm sort of, I can't even explain it. And I hate to rush to judgment off of behavior, but this is one of the most in your face, suspicious behaviors I've ever seen. Yeah. I mean, I feel like usually when, I mean, I guess I don't watch a lot of these interviews, um,

But when you explain them, it sounds like they're good at lying. Yes. For the most part. He is not good at lying. It is. I mean, that's that's the thing about psychopaths is normally they're pretty good at lying because their whole life they've been having to fake what they think is acceptable behavior and emotion. So they get pretty good at it. Chris is just so out of his element trying to carry this huge lie on his shoulders. Totally.

So missing posters are also put up this day and the local police are asking neighbors if they've seen anything, you know, just like a typical missing person investigation would be going. Okay, let me guess. Your medicine cabinet is crammed with stuff that does not work. You still aren't sleeping, you still hurt, and you're stressed out. That's

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Chris volunteers to go in for just a volunteer interview with FBI agent Graham Coder, who is the lead interrogator. So they go to the police station and they sit down and they do these interviews. This first interview.

They do a good job of making Chris feel comfortable right away in these interviews. This is where I'm going to get into behavior analysis on both the FBI and Chris for what each of them were doing during this interrogation. There's a couple interrogations during these next interrogations.

So they walk in to do this interrogation. Graham, the FBI agent, is not dressed in any FBI attire. He sits on the same side of the table with Chris, but makes him move into the corner seat so that he's locked in. So in order to not...

to intimidate him. He's not wearing a big FBI jacket. He just is dressed like a normal person instead of sitting across from him to try to like, you know, act like it's official. He sits on the same side to try to downplay it. He does push him into the corner to make him feel like he can't escape.

But he's trying to make it seem really relaxed for Chris. He asks Chris about the whole story all over again. He needs to understand completely before, you know, he can start poking holes in Chris's story. Something that I just thought of while you were saying that is how he asked for the whole story again. When I have to explain a story to someone more than two times, like I start to get confused.

annoyed or frustrated because, you know, it's just repetition over and over. I can't imagine like what that's doing to Chris. Yes. You know, especially because it's a lie. Right.

Right. So you're just starting to be like, oh, my gosh, I can't just, you know, you start to miss things or skip things or add things. Right. Totally. So this tactic is also making Chris feel like they are on his side by just agreeing with everything he's saying. Oh, yeah. Just tell us the story. OK. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, that makes sense. They take his phone at the beginning for evidence, but they don't tell him it's for evidence. They just tell him, you know, we're going to confiscate your phone because this is an interview and whatever. And he gladly hands it over.

After every statement that Chris makes in this interview, for instance, yeah, her phone was off. He asks, well, why do you think the phone was off? That's what, so he, everything that he says, the FBI asks, well, why, why do you think that? Trying to get more information than just the basics. Trying to get him to choke up too. Like if he says something that doesn't make sense for him to have to explain it, he's going to have to add another lie, another lie. It's putting the pressure on him.

After they get all of that out the way, Graham turns his chair to face Chris. He tells him that he has to ask him a hard question and please keep an open mind. And then he tells Chris that it's weird that they had marital issues the same day that she went missing. He's like, you know, we have to say it's weird that you say that you two got in a fight.

Because he claims to them, oh, we got in a fight. I left for work, came home, she's missing. So he says, it's weird to me that you guys get in a fight about your marital issues. You say you're going to get a divorce. You tell her you want a divorce. And the same day she goes missing. Like we have to confront how strange that is.

He justifies his reason for asking Chris so that Chris doesn't feel too attacked and lawyer up. So all freaks out. So all of the wording that the FBI agent is using is so tactical. Like he has everything he's using is to get something in return. Oh wait. So he hasn't lawyered up yet. So he's doing this all volunteer out of his own will. Yes. Okay. Volunteer interview. And that's what they want. Because once a lawyer comes in, it's way different. You have way less of a chance of him.

of him choking up, stumbling over words and then just confessing. Cause he's no, he knows he puts him, he put himself in a corner. And I'm sure part of it is that if he gets a lawyer, he thinks that's going to make him look guilty. Exactly. Correct. Yes. And that, you know, that is the other thing. Well, if I lawyer, then they're going to be suspicious. But if I go in, there's, it's unsafe to go in without a lawyer, right? Like that's the most worst decision you could ever make. If you're going to talk to the cops, I don't care if you're innocent or guilty, but,

Okay, actually, if you're innocent, please, please, please get a lawyer. Please get a lawyer, okay? But if you're guilty, you shouldn't be listening to this podcast. So when confronted with this suspicion, Chris obviously defends himself, but he slips up by saying, this is something that I would never do, ever.

What does this mean? This is something I would never do. He's already categorized what's happened to his wife and children, even though he doesn't know where they're at. As this. This. Murder, a.k.a. Murder, a.k.a. hurt them. He just said five seconds earlier that he has no idea what's happened to them or where they went. But then he confirms that something bad has happened by saying, this is something I would never do. Those are words that I probably would never pick up on. Mm-mm.

But when these are things that if he was innocent, he most likely wouldn't have said this is something he would have said. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. And when they say, well, what like this is suspicious for us, he would say, I know. I don't know. You know, he wouldn't be like this is something he wouldn't justify himself. He wouldn't have to put up a defense for himself.

They ask Chris if he's cheated on his wife. He says never. And that Shanann had never done it to him either. That they weren't like that. Their marriage wasn't like that. Keep in mind, the FBI has his phone. And they would soon discover that he had a mistress. People, if you delete text messages, newsflash, they don't go away. If the FBI gets your phone, anything that has ever crossed that phone, unless you are Josh Powell, is going to come to light. Exactly. Exactly.

So it's so dumb that he lies about this because they've taken his phone. So they obviously are going to find out that he's cheating. Graham asks Chris what the state should do if they find the guy who took his wife and kids. He looks at Chris and says, okay, so what do you think we should do to the guy who took your wife and kids? These are all such smart questions. Yes. It's a trap. Yep. Because if he...

goes well you know if he goes light on it then it's him defending whoever took his wife and kids which doesn't make sense and if he goes hard on it and then he gets presumed guilty you basically just told the judge to give you the death penalty totally yeah so it's a it's a trap either way chris says if his family is returned home safe then whoever did it should get life in prison

Graham asks if the family is hurt, then what should they do? And Chris says, if those kids are hurt, I guess the death penalty. Take note of him calling his own kids, those kids. He's disassociating himself. He's already trying to disconnect from everything that's going on.

Um, they end the first interview here cause it's kind of towards the end of the day. They had done all those. He had done all those news interviews. They had been searching the house and everything. Graham tells Chris that he's sorry about the harsh and tough questions he's asked. No, he was just doing his job and Chris agrees. Um,

He did this because he wants Chris to come in tomorrow again without a lawyer. So he wants to end the interview on good terms. Hey, Chris, I don't actually think you're guilty. I just have to do this because it's my job, brother. You get what I'm saying? And he's like, oh, yeah, totally. And I was just going to say, so in this next interview that he's going to do, does he have a lawyer or does he just go in again without one? They did such a good job of making him feel comfortable.

And if you see comments on this interview, because you can watch this whole interview, it's in an interrogation room. So it's all through security cam footage. If you see comments, people are uncomfortable about how nice the FBI and people interrogating him are treating him. They are. They're treating him like a friend. Yes. Like a friend. But they are doing this to try to get him to trust them enough that.

To just explain what happened. So it's all tactical. They don't actually like Chris Watts. They are disgusted because they know that something bad is happening and that he's lying. Oh yeah, totally. But they have to put it aside and act like they like him. So imagine actually how hard that would be to look into the face of evil and pretend like you liked him. That would be hard.

Graham tells Chris that tomorrow they should do a polygraph test and move past everything that's going on and move past all the suspicion that's on him and just find his family. So question real quick, because we've mentioned polygraph tests before on this podcast, and obviously we're not experts on it, but you always talk about how they're not the most accurate, correct? Yes. So why would they want to do a polygraph test on him?

Because if he does fail the polygraph, because they can't stand up in court. You can't use a polygraph test in court. So if he fails this test, they can't use it in court. And if he passes it, they can't use it in court.

But if he fails this test, it's like a fear tactic again, fear tactic. They're going to go in and go, you failed the polygraph. If he passes it, they're going to walk in and go, thanks for taking that. Let's keep talking. Okay. So it's just, it's just to use against him, which is why I say don't ever take a polygraph because if by chance you do fell, which happens a lot, uh,

you're screwed like they are going to keep interviewing you until you say what they want you to say and you're talking about for innocent people by the way i'm talking about i'm never talking to guilty people on here okay guilty people can suck it like peyton just said you shouldn't be listening to this if you're guilty but i i am looking out for you innocent people okay

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The FBI interviews his mistress, Nicole Kessinger, the bad Nicole, because they've gone through his phone, found out he's cheating, bring her in. She's obviously a huge part of the story because that's motive all on its own.

She tells the police that she thought 100% that he was divorced and is concerned for the fact that they are missing, that the wife and kids are missing. She claims that the fact that Shanann was 15 weeks pregnant goes to show her that he was lying to her face as well, just not to his wife, but to her. And I'm going to jump into Nicole a little bit later on in the podcast, but I'm just going to leave that as that for now.

The next day, August 15th, 2018, three days after Nicole, Shanann, Bella, and Nico have gone missing, Tammy Lee, a CBI agent, which is Colorado Bureau of Investigation, joins in on the interview process with Chris and Graham. Okay. She is going to perform the polygraph for Chris, which he has agreed to do. After the polygraph, Graham comes back in with Tammy. Okay.

So they do the polygraph. And the whole time, Tammy is also very well versed. She is telling him the best part about this polygraph, Chris, is that when it's over right now,

Only you know the truth. But when it's over, everyone is going to know the truth. So if you know it's going to be great for you because you're innocent. So when you pass this polygraph, it's going to be great. It's all going to go away and we're going to find you. We're going to find your family. That's kind of creepy. Like she is so she is so good. It's really good. Yeah. So after the polygraph, Graham comes back in with Tammy and he he obviously failed the polygraph.

Like he's the worst liar. He felt the polygraph taking the, doing the news interview. I was going to, I was going to ask that, that he may be past it or no, he's the worst liar I've ever seen in my life. So he definitely fells the polygraph. Graham comes back in the room and aggressively sits down. Like he pulls the chair out and kind of slams himself down and

Um, and stares at Chris. He's doing this because he wants Chris to poop his pants to go. I just filled this polygraph and they know, they know. So he was all buddy, buddy and friends with him before. Now he comes in like the FBI investigator that he is like, he, he just sits down. Oh yeah. I mean, this is so, I mean, he killed his whole family. Like it's just horrible. Yeah. He stares at Chris and he starts tapping his pen loudly on the desk. Like he's making it the most uncomfortable atmosphere he can for Chris. Um,

Tammy tells Chris, okay, you failed the polygraph. Like, obviously you're a really bad liar. I don't know if anyone's ever told you that, but you're a horrible liar and you failed miserably. And he goes, okay. He just, he just is like, what am I going to do? Oh my God. Like there's nothing he's going to say, you know, cause he's just been lying this whole time. And then when she says, so let's tell the truth, like let's tell the truth. Now you've been lying this whole time. Let's tell the truth. Yeah. He claims, oh, I'm not lying. I did tell the truth.

And Graham cuts him off in the middle of a sentence and says, stop, Chris, stop. Like we know you're not telling the truth.

Tammy keeps telling Chris over and over that she can tell he wants to come clean and that he's sick to his stomach about keeping this lie up. She projects optimistic expectations onto him and hopes that he will live up to them. Chris, I can tell you're a good guy. I can tell that you lying is making you sick to your stomach. I can tell you want to come clean. So come clean. She's she's doing everything she can. I feel like in every single movie they do the exact same thing. It must be pretty similar. Yeah.

They keep things optimistic and positive in hopes that he will open up without getting a lawyer. So at first when they come in mad and see that he didn't just go, okay, I failed, they start to turn it around and become his friend again in hopes that if they can just warm him up enough and be like, we understand you failed. So just tell us what happened. It's going to be okay. Don't get a lawyer. It's going to be okay that he'll do it.

Tammy reduces the crime and the reality of what he's done so that he can feel less judged and comfortable with them. And like I said, when people watch this, it makes them uncomfortable the way she's. So was she saying things? I mean, maybe you're going to explain it, but I see like you guys had a tough marriage and stuff like that. Like trying to make it not his fault. Got it. Uh huh.

Graham tells Chris, you know, I know you were a good dad. I know you love your kids. He's trying to make him feel like a better person. Right after that, Chris blurts out, I cheated on her. Oh, wow. They say, yeah, Chris, we know. We obviously had your phone. Like, we know you were cheating. They just keep repeating positive affirmations to him, even though some of them are lies, in hopes to change Chris's own self-image so that he will confess.

I hate this part, but they do start to blame Shanann for the problems in the marriage and where they were before all this happened. Yeah. I understand why they are lying to him and painting Shanann in a bad light to Chris in order to make him feel like they're empathizing with him, but it does suck because they're like...

you know, she was bossy. She was this. And it's like, let's have some respect for the fact that, you know, something bad. And I know they can't have that, but just keep that in mind while you're watching. Don't let them taint your image of her because they're trying, they're trying to get a confession. That's all they're doing. It's all attacked. It's a show. Yep. And, and Shanann did absolutely nothing to deserve what happened to her. Neither did Bella. Neither did CC. Neither did Nico. A hundred percent. Let's keep that in mind. Um,

They ask him if maybe it was an accident, that they could work with that in hopes that he admits to something. They have to give him steps to get all the way to the truth because one huge jump into the truth is too big for him. They're going to, okay, now he's admitted to the affair. Okay, maybe we can get him to admit to strangling her on accident or something happening on accident. He knows what happened to them, you know, just baby steps to get to the truth.

They talked to him about how he hasn't cried this whole time. How he says that that night before when they were arguing, they were both crying. But since that day, they both haven't seen him shed a tear. And that's weird. They're like, Chris, that's weird. Your kids and your wife are missing and that's weird. During this whole process of all these interrogations,

They don't find the bodies or any other evidence at all? Like nothing? Yes. No. So which is why they are working solely on Chris. Because they can't find anything. Nope. They can't find any DNA in the house. They can't find anything to even point them in the right direction. What about his car? Nothing. Really? Mm-mm.

I mean, keep in mind, DNA testing takes a long time. So if they were collecting evidence, they haven't gotten results back yet. Okay. But nothing to point them to where he might be or where they might be, which is why they're going so hard on him.

So remember they said, you know, it's weird. You're not crying. You haven't cried this whole time. This part is so crazy because the inflection in his voice immediately changes. His voice gets shaky and broken. And he says that just because he hasn't cried doesn't mean he's not sad, but he's immediately fake crying.

fake crying fake emotion because they just told him that's what they would expect and so he's giving him what they asked for so he's trying to cry yeah the whole time he's like no i didn't do anything no i didn't do anything they're like chris you haven't cried at all and he goes just because i i haven't cried doesn't mean i'm not sad like he immediately starts acting like he's crying it's it's the strength i'm like it's probably awkward to watch it is it's so uncomfortable to watch he starts sniffling he's obviously not crying

But as soon as they move off the subject of him not crying, he immediately stops. It's back to his regular voice. Oh my gosh. Their only goal is to find the girls. They don't care what story he tells them. This is when Tammy throws out the possibility that maybe Shanann hurt the girls.

Because they didn't leave that house that day. The only way they left the house was in his truck. And everyone knows that. The evidence proves that. So maybe Shanann hurt the girls and you hurt Shanann. So something I thought of in...

Maybe the evidence points to this, but what if they left out the back door, right? Couldn't they technically have? Yes, they technically could have, but keep in mind, all the doors were locked from the inside. Oh, that's right. So they figured out that the only way she could have left was through the garage. They put a picture of Cece and Bella right in front of Chris at this point, and they continue throwing out, you know, Shanann hurt them, and maybe you got mad and hurt her, right?

Out of the blue, Chris asks if he can talk to his dad. This is the first time in all the footage we have of Chris that he starts crying. He says, can I just talk to my dad? I just haven't. He flew all the way here to see me and I haven't talked to him. They get Chris's dad and send him into the interrogation room where Chris is waiting. And Chris admits to his dad, Ronnie Watts, that Shanann killed Cece and Bella and then he killed her.

This part makes me sad because the dad is so sick to his stomach and you can tell. Oh man.

man he tells him that the conversation they had that morning was emotional and when he brought up the divorce she went crazy he went downstairs to start getting ready for work when he came back upstairs she had killed the girls and so then he freaked out and killed her it's interesting how he wouldn't admit that he killed the kids but admitted that he killed her kind of like what you were saying like step by step slowly he was admitting yes his dad tells him to hire a lawyer

And his dad's just kind of like rubbing his head, just, oh my gosh, covering his mouth with his hand, showing behavioral signs that he's in distress and patting Chris's back, but not like hugging him, just kind of like patting him. And then says, maybe, you know, we need to get a lawyer. As soon as he says those words, Tammy and Graham come back into the room immediately. Oh, I'm sure they don't want him to get a lawyer.

When you watch these tapes, it's weird how soft and caring they're being with Chris even after he just admitted that he killed Shanann.

um they need his cooperation they need to find the bodies once they find the bodies it doesn't matter because all the other evidence will prove him guilty so they're going to continue to caress him and encourage him to tell them where the bodies are at so then they can turn all the evidence back onto him okay he admits that the bodies of shenan bella and cc are at the first location the first job site that he went to that day

Shanann was buried in the field and Bella and Cece were in huge oil drums because he worked for an oil industry. Remember? And I'm talking like silos, like big, big, that is so horrible. Yeah. So did they not ask him, wait, why did you take the bodies?

Like an interrogator or was it the interrogation just over at that point? So they came back in, sit down and say, Chris, can you tell us where the bodies are? Can you tell us where they are? We understand what happened. So they didn't even want to get into that. They weren't going to get into details because they knew it was a lie. Okay. They just wanted to find the bodies at this point. They needed to. And they say that they go, it's cold out there, Chris. Like they're cold. Let's bring them in. Let's get them out of the cold. They're your daughters. They don't talk about Shanann because right now he's painted Shanann as the bad person.

He's crying at this point, but keep in mind, it's not because of what he's done. He feels bad for himself. He is distressed over the fact that the public will know what he did and that they will paint him in a bad light. So as soon as they come back in and start talking, he can't really even talk about where the bodies are because all he's saying is the press is going to make me look so bad. They're going to paint me like my life is over. They're going to make me look so bad.

And that'll just, I mean, he'll be in jail for the rest of his life. And it's like, Hey, you just said you admitted to at least killing your wife and you're distressed about how the public's going to look at you. Like your priorities are so off, dude. Seriously. After they have determined exactly where the bodies are, Tammy tells Chris, so they, they get everything written down. They're like, these are where the bodies are. They send people out to go look for the bodies. They send Ronnie, Chris's dad back out of the room.

Tammy, the interrogation keeps going. Tammy turns to Chris and tells him that if the way he has said that this all went down is not the truth, she would hate for Shanann to get that kind of rep. So she's like, you know, if thanks for telling us where the bodies are now, if what you're telling us is the truth and Shanann killed the kids,

And she really didn't. You're going to be okay with that. You're going to be okay with painting her as the bad person if she didn't really kill those kids. So they immediately turn on him. Yeah. They're like, Chris, we know she didn't kill the kids. They tell him that his story doesn't make sense, even though they are the ones who basically planted this story in his head. Like, remember, Tammy was the one who was like, well, maybe Shanann did it and you hurt Shanann. And now they're telling him his story doesn't make sense. They're like, that doesn't make sense. All along, they knew he did it. They just want to know where the bodies are.

And then they arrest him. He doesn't admit to it. He says, nope, she hurt the kids and I hurt her. And that's how they end the interrogation.

He's arrested. Three months after the murders, Chris Watts pleads guilty to all charges of murder to murdering Shanann, Cece, and Bella in order to not get the death penalty. Oh, wow. I was going to say, why did he plead guilty? So his lawyers, I'm sure, told them, hey. Or like, you're going to have to plead guilty to all three to not get the death penalty. He's sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole.

According to thedailymail.com, recently, Chris has come forward and done interviews with people. He has claimed that he had actually planned and thought about killing them before that night. Oh my gosh. He had actually tried to slip Shanann and Oxy in hopes to induce a miscarriage, but it didn't work. He says that when she got home that night, he had a feeling that Shanann knew he had been cheating.

He also claims later that he originally tried to smother the girls in their bed first. So he woke up that morning and it didn't go like he said it originally went. This is what he said recently. So this wasn't in court documents or anything. This is just in interviews. Okay. He says he woke up that morning. She came home. They really did have sex. Yeah. They go back to sleep. He wakes up that morning for work, goes in to Bella and Cece's room and smothers both of them. Oh, so he killed them first.

He goes in, smothers both of them, goes back into the bedroom and kills, starts strangling Shanann. In the middle of strangling Shanann, both the girls walk into the bedroom. He hadn't killed them. He'd only made them pass out. Oh my gosh. So then he, and they're freaking out because their dad just came in and tried to do that, but they're confused. They don't understand what's going on, obviously. And so he...

uh he finishes killing shenan and then he packs up all the bodies packs up the girls really does put them alive in the truck with shenan on the floor drives to the site gets shenan out buries her comes back kills both the girls in the back of the truck

By smothering that is horrible. That is just horrible and does one in front of the other I'm not going to get into the details because he does go into details but just so we can understand how Horrible this crime was it wasn't like he individually went into their bedrooms You know what i'm saying? Oh totally and I think it's hard because when people start crying in the interrogation room People want to naturally probably feel bad for him. Yes, but it's like he just killed three people. Oh, yeah his family He killed his family. Oh, yeah

And, and he tried so hard. And even honestly, the media has done their own part in painting Shanann in a bad light as painting her as this person who was demanding and just needy and all this stuff. And I don't care. I don't care how she acted. None of this should have happened. And those girls, none of this should have happened. So keep that in mind when you're

reading sources and stuff like that because I know it's not on purpose but sometimes people just do it so yes he's come forward recently and kind of updated his side of the story stating no she didn't hurt them I know I went to court basically saying that but it's not true I killed all of them and this is how it happened really this is how it really went down has never spoken about all

on Nicole, the mistress, bad Nicole and her role in it. Okay. So now we're going to kind of get into just, it's short, a little conspiracy theory that people have. This has never been solidified or anything. Was Nicole the mistress in on it? Because he said he'd thought about it before. He'd kind of planned it. They come to find out that there was a 199 minute phone call

The night that Shanann came home between Nicole and Chris. That was a long phone call. They're on the phone for 199 minutes. They hang up. Shanann walks in the door. They have sex. He wakes up a couple hours later and kills his family.

Yeah, I don't know what happened on the phone call. I don't even know. We just know that that phone call happened People claim that her interview with cops is sketchy She doesn't have any emotion for the fact that shenan and the girls are missing. She's laughing She's kind of talking like whatever about it. Oh, no. No, he was lying to me. I don't know. He didn't know. Um

After he was arrested and going to prison, Nicole, bad Nicole, Googled how to write a book off of a situation like this. So she wanted to profit. She wanted to make money off of all this. Off of being the mistress of a man who killed his family. Okay. She had also, in her interview with cops, she claims that she didn't know he had a wife. Remember that she thought they were divorced for sure.

They go back through her Google search history, find out that she was looking at Shanann's Facebook often. She knew that they were pregnant. She pretended when cops told her, she was like, he was, she was pregnant. She knew that Shanann was pregnant. She saw, yes, she was lying about everything she knew. She had Googled stuff about,

wedding dresses i told you she googled about how to be a mistress she had googled stuff about sexual things like how to do sexual things with guys he had googled how to how do you know when you're in love with someone which like you're married and have kids you should probably know that is so strange so all of their google history has kind of sprung up this conspiracy theory that maybe

she knew that he was planning on hurting them or something because she completely lied about knowing anything about it. But then all of her search history on her computer and stuff proves that she did know stuff about it. I'm not saying either way. I'm just saying that there's more to Nicole's side of the story. So if you're interested in that, you can go ahead and look it up. Okay. Yeah, that makes sense.

And that's my part two of Chris Watts. That escalated so quickly from the time that they went and watched all the video footage of Nate. I'm sure if they didn't have that, he probably would have not been found guilty, right? No, I think that it was very, his behavior was very alarming. And so, um,

I mean, everyone was suspicious of him, not just Nate. It was Nicole, her best friend. It was the cops. It was basically everyone in her life was suspicious of him. And it didn't help that he had a mistress. Everything stacked up. I think the interrogations would have still gone the same. The only part that...

the video footage did for them was to be able to look at him and say, they left in your truck. Yeah. There's no other way they left. Dang, Nate, Nicole and the cop really did help so much. So much. Yes. And like I said, Nicole, the best friend, she is just amazing. She was such an advocate for Shanann and continues to be. So recently on TikTok, there's,

There has sprouted up a video because of the Netflix documentary on this. People have gone back and started watching the footage again of all of it, you know, watching them walking through the house. And someone put up on TikTok a video watching the footage and they're freaking out because in the background of the footage, when they're standing up in the foyer, looking at the cell phone, you can see one of the girl's bedrooms in the back and a little girl pokes her head out of the doorway.

What? And it's real? Yes, it's real. And so everyone was freaking out. Like the girls were there. Like they were ghosts. That's what they were assuming. Like it was a paranormal thing. But like, oh my gosh, they were there watching in, watching everything.

Anyways, come to find out it was just left out of the media because they were underage. But Nicole didn't just bring her son. She also brought her little girls to the house that day. So the little girls were also going through the house. So if you did see that TikTok thing, don't be freaking out because when I first watched it, I was like,

Like, oh my gosh. Oh my gosh. But then as I kind of dug deeper into comments and research and stuff, I figured out that because they were underage, they had kind of been left out of the story. But they were there that day, supposedly. I mean, that could be just fake too, okay? But no, I just think all the attention this case has been getting is, you know, good in a way that it shines light and gives...

shenan nico bella and cc more justice which is what we're doing by telling these stories and yeah i mean i this this story's crazy but it's also been one that has captured my attention from the very yeah it's i it's just crazy that i'd never hear these i mean you tell me these stories every single week and i never hear i mean it just goes to show that i'm

I'm a little, I don't know if oblivious is the right word, but I don't dig deep into anything true crime. Well, also, I mean, like, are my Facebook and everything really? Okay, I don't use Facebook, so don't try to friend request me on Facebook. Okay, I don't have

have friends on Facebook, but I do use Facebook for true crime groups. That's literally the only reason. So my whole Facebook feed is just true crime stuff. Mine's all like this business. Yeah. So I mean, my life is, I get ads and stuff for stuff like this. So in sports. Yeah. So that's probably why you're getting other stuff. Yeah. I'm getting all this stuff, but

I mean, these really do affect your life. Like we were driving through a neighborhood today and I looked at Garrett and I said, this looks like Shanann Watts neighborhood. Like these are the type of houses that the name, I mean, you just start drawing little like, Oh, tying things together. You know, it's crazy. Yeah, that is crazy.

So I will be posting all of the media that goes along with this. Obviously not the full videos of stuff because they're long, but I would highly suggest you get on and watch the video footage because that's honestly what makes this case so captivating for people is that you can actually watch it unfold in front of your eyes. And yeah, that's the case of Chris Watts. And I love it. And I hate it. Goodbye.