Ep. 731: Remembering Peter Renaday, Disneyland Halloween Half Marathon weekend
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Welcome to Mousetalgia, your podcast about Disneyland, Disney history, and living a Disney life. And boy, have we lived a Disney life this week. I am Jeff, your host for this week, and I'm here with my co-host for the week, Julia. Julia, thank you so much for joining me this week on Mousetalgia. You're welcome. I'll take that. And I'm glad you're here because we both just got back fairly recently from a big Disney...

A big Disneyland weekend. Bigger for you than for me, by far. But we'll talk all about that in a minute. But before we jump... What? Do you hear that? What is it? You can't hear it? Mm-hmm. You know how you have jingle keys? Oh, my word. I have jingle medals! Okay.

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Here you leave today to hear a podcast from the world of yesterday, tomorrow, and fantasy. Nostalgia. Carpe the Magic. All right, Julia. Here we are. Here we are. I think we are going to just move on past the charcuterie this week and go straight to the topic because...

I will say at the end of the show, I am going to have a special guest. I'm going to have Kristen come on, and we're going to talk about Pete Renaday. As you heard, Julia, I'm sure, along with most of our listeners, probably have heard this already, but Pete Renaday did pass away last week. And he was a friend of Nostalgia. More than that, he was like a literal, like a real friend of mine. Friend of Jeff, yeah. You know, I have lots of thoughts, and, you know, it was...

You know, it was a little bit shocking, but at the same time, he was elderly and he had lived a long, a long and amazing life and he has a great legacy. Right. So I prefer to celebrate people with great legacies as opposed to.

be too forlorn about that situation. Of course, mourning his loss, and especially feel for his family and close friends. That's just such a tragic thing to go through an unexpected loss. But there is a lot to celebrate about Pete Rennedy and his life and career. So I'll talk about that later. But I am glad you are here today because let's get right to the meat of things. We are going to talk about Disneyland's Halloween half marathon weekend that just occurred last week. Mm-hmm.

It was inaugural. So Disneyland has had many half marathon weekends, but this was the first Halloween half marathon, which is, I think, pretty exciting. I mean, it got me out there on the course, right? So that's no easy feat. It sure did. Yeah.

No. You have. I have tried many a time in the past to be like, why don't you just do it this time? How about this one? What did I say every time? But no. But of course, there's a reason that I opted for this year's 10K. And that being because with the inaugural Halloween half marathon weekend, there was a 5K, a 10K, and a half marathon. And the 10K...

This year, of course, was based on the Haunted Mansion characters. So how, how was I going to...

How could the Doom Buggies guy himself not participate? And I will tell you, when you told our friend Tina and me that you were going to sign up, I think you had to pick both of us up off the floor because you've just never been interested in it. I've sworn to you, I've sworn to everyone that will listen to me that I'm never going to do a run. And not just because I'm not interested, because my spine is not runnable. Right.

Like I have multiple, multiple instances of what the doctors call moderate to severe like problems with my discs. Right. So in my neck and in my lower back. So I have issues. I've never really felt too terrible about my stamina. I was a little concerned about the heat because one of my drugs now at that age where I have like six pills a night. When did that happen? When did I happen that I have six pills a night?

But one of those things is light sensitive, sun sensitive. And it says right on the bottle, like may cause sensitivity to the sun, which is true. Like I go in the sun and I just feel like I can't even, it cannot go on. Yeah. It saps every bit of everything out of me. So I was a little concerned about that. Yeah.

But you know what? That Haunted Mansion medal was dancing in my little brain like sugar plum fairies or whatever it is. Well, you didn't even know what it was going to look like. Well, no one did. So I did decide I'm just going to do this. I'm going to sign up for this. So my wife and I always go through team force. We have to spend a little bit more because they kind of set aside...

registrations so you don't have to go through the rat race of trying to wake up at four in the morning or whatever you have to do to register for these things. But you do have to guarantee them that you'll raise a certain amount of money. So you can look at that as we do as a kind of a benefit to society. Hey, we're happy to help and we get to do this thing. Or you can look at it as a burden. And it's fair to look at it either way. Like people do not have to contribute to a variety of charities to be

good people. You know what I mean? But we kind of like the charity Force for Change. So Force deals with

patients with hereditary cancers and their families and helping them deal with the influence that cancer can have on people's families and such so that's what we run for um this is or julia does this year i joined her but that's what she runs for force so um but i joined her to do the 10k and we signed up for the 10k and um now you did something else so what did you do here this weekend

I signed up for the challenge, which they call the chills and thrills challenge. So I did the 10K and the half marathon. One after the other. 10K in the morning on Saturday and half marathon on the morning on Sunday. Right. So you have like 22 hours between the two, basically. Basically, yeah. Okay.

Okay. It's funny to me that people decide to do these things. So I just, I am both amused and amazed at, at you particularly and your type in general, that you can do this, that you have the wherewithal, the stamina, the strength, the agility. Dare I say, even find it. Yeah. And you even enjoy it. Right. So I don't know if,

So talk a little bit about like the mental preparation you do because you knew it was going to be hot. So let me ask you this. As a runner, you've run many half marathons now, right? Do you know how many? No. Mostly just different ones. So it's fair to say like maybe a dozen? Yeah. And you've run them in cool weather, warm weather, all kinds of weather. So would you say the heat was a factor? It was in that I wasn't – I went into this weekend –

deciding I wasn't trying for a personal record because I am a cool weather runner. That's just my body feels better that way. I will say running in the heat, uh,

I find it takes less time to warm up into a run. So there's that. But the heat in general just makes it harder for my heart rate to stay steady. So we should say this weekend was a scorcher.

at Disneyland, it was 104 degrees, I think, on the hottest day of the week and 97 and maybe 99 the next day. So it was hovering there around 100 degrees for the entire weekend, basically. And at least for the 10K, when we got there to the corral at 3.30 in the morning, or we were there about 3.40, it was already 75 degrees. I don't think it hit

Lower than 72 overnight. So 75 degrees. And then I think it was around 83, 85 when we finished. So it was getting there like pretty warm by the time the running was over. But it wasn't like. It wasn't. It wasn't. It wasn't horrendous.

because the sun wasn't on you. So by the end of the 10K, the sun had just kind of started making everything bright. So the heat never really was an issue for me, but I didn't run. So why would it be an issue for me? I fast walked and I actually did jog a little bit at the end. So, I mean, I don't know how much of the story to tell really. There's not much to it. My wife has a bad, she's had a kind of a,

She did something to her ankle a few months ago. So she's been wearing... Like, even for this 10K race, she wore these big ankle, like...

not braces, but like these big heavy things around her ankles. So like, you know, it's kind of a big disadvantage to this kind of thing. And she, we realized by about mile four and a half that she wasn't going to be able to finish within the time frame that they give you to finish these races, which is about 16 minutes a mile. She and I had a little bit longer than that because we were in corral five, which is not the very end. So we had to like a 15 minute headstart over the last runners. Um,

Um, so a little bit of a headstart, but not enough to like push her too far past the, the speed that we had to keep. Right. So she wasn't going to make it. So when she realized that, and we kind of heard the, it's funny, like people come riding up on bikes kind of near the end to kind of let you know, like you got to keep pace. And once that happened, we kind of realized like, Ooh, this, the bus is not far behind to sweep up, you know,

the stragglers so she told me run with the wind she said go run forest run so um i did not have an ankle brace all over my legs like she did so i did pick up the pace and finish so jogged a little bit at the end but really i'm not a jogger like i said i can't can't up and down like that my so but i was happy to make it and finish and that was i felt like i earned my 10k medal like i

Made it across the line. Congratulations, Jeff. But I really want to congratulate you because the amount of the speed at which you do these things seems to me to be.

It's remarkable. It's average. Between what and what makes average? Like average between me and Olympian doesn't mean much. Like what do you mean by it's average? Like where do you get that term? I wouldn't say I'm the slowest runner, but I'm also not the fastest runner.

I think for the 10K, I hovered around a 12-minute mile, which is not fast. It's not bad. I did not walk a 16-minute mile, so I should say I believe I could have if I had

started from the beginning at full speed but i didn't and because we had 15 extra minutes and barely i barely squeaked in five minutes before the last people so um but that's because it was not until mile four and a half that i really picked up the pace so um it was still fun i would say it was fun so we'll talk about a

For the 10K, at least, it was Haunted Mansion themed and they had lots of Haunted Mansion photo ops and characters. You could take your picture with the ballroom dancers out around Frontierland. You could take your picture with hitchhiking ghosts somewhere, I think, out around, where was that? Around Fantasyland somewhere, right? Hitchhiking ghosts, I think. I think they were

By the Matterhorn. By the Matterhorn. And you could, in DCA, there was a little play going on of some sort with the Bride and Leota and, you know, and I didn't like, so as a walker, you really don't have the opportunity to stop and take time with these things. If you're going to walk 16 minute miles, that's a pretty, pretty quick walk, right? So there's not a lot of time for walking.

Right.

really because they care to finish the race or not, but because they want the opportunity to take all these great pictures backstage or not backstage, but in the parks with the empty parks and at these with these various characters all along the way. So, you know, that's if that's your your purpose, like more power to you. Like, that's fair. Yeah, it is a fun thing to do. And before

before we get too far away, I just looked at my pace. It was an 11 minute. And what was your half mile pace? Half marathon pace. Well, that's amazing. You could run twice as far, more than twice as far as a 10 K and keep basically the same pace. Like,

Like, you never, you could just, you can run, right, without stopping? Like, without ever stopping. Yeah. You can just run. Yes. Yeah. I feel like running involves, like, here to there, and then, like, stop, almost die, gasp, catch your breath, like, stumble around for a while, like...

Well, it takes practice. But you're a runner. So you're officially a runner. If you never have to stop running, you're a runner. So, well, congratulations. I find that to be a fascinating and amazing piece. So good work. So talk about what your highlights were with the courses. With the courses, I thought especially for this 10K, because I've done a lot of 10Ks at Disneyland as well, because I...

Pretty much graduated from the 5K to the 10K before I went into the half marathon. So I've done a lot of 10Ks. And for the most part, this one specifically had, with the exception of one other 10K, had the most running time in the parks, which I appreciate. Yeah.

Because it's not fun to just run around the park. And also, I think that made it go faster. Because if you're super familiar with the parks and all you're doing is running through them, it's just kind of like...

A familiar path, right? You're going maybe in a different direction than you usually do, but you're taking familiar routes through a familiar place and suddenly you're five miles down the road, right? So, yeah, that was pretty cool. Okay, yeah. I agree. I was happy to see that mostly I would be running inside or walking inside of the two parks. That was super cool.

And then other highlights. Give me other highlights. Other highlights. We got to see some different backstages than before as well. Like the... I don't think Galaxy's Edge was open...

At the time of the last Disneyland Run Disney race. Well, not in the summer. It was like... You mean open to the course. Open to the course, yeah. No, I don't think so either. So, like, that whole section of the park and everything was all off limits. So, it was interesting to see different backstage areas and...

I wish Tina were here because she even noticed more stuff backstage than I did. Like, she noticed, like, some of the holiday time stuff back there. I don't know if you noticed all that stuff. Like, the ice coals for the castle she saw. Kind of packed away back there. Yeah. So, I was...

Not noticing that that amount of stuff because also the corral that I started in kind of held me back a little bit too because I was I don't know exactly how they decided the corrals we were going to start in. I don't think you have to give a proof of time with the no not for the 10k and you have to give a proof of time only if you're planning on finishing under two hours and 30 minutes for the half marathon. Yeah.

Otherwise, they'll just assign you to a corral based on your predicted finish time. So they put me in corral B for the half marathon and then in corral D for the 10K. And the corrals for the 10K were through F. So for my pace.

That corral for the 10K posed a bit of a challenge because there were a lot of walkers in that corral as well. So it took a while for me to get through the runners with the slower pace so that I could just go at my pace rather than having to slow down and speed up around people. But other than that...

I don't have too many complaints. Highlights, like I said, I really like that it was mostly in the park. That makes it go a lot faster. I agree with that statement. And I thought it was interesting. I liked to see all of the... They didn't have that many characters, so they kind of supplemented it with the Halloween...

parade from Oogie Boogie like performers from there and they kind of also doubled as cheerleaders so you could stop and take pictures with them if you wanted but otherwise they were just kind of there to cheer you on so I thought that was kind of cool I don't think I've ever seen parade performers let me ask you a question as cheerleaders

Yeah. Yeah. Speaking of the cheerleaders, is that something you find effective? Like I, I found myself mostly annoyed at all the cast members saying like,

You can do it. Let's go. Because I felt like all of us are doing what we specifically want to do right now. Like if I'm walking, it's because I just want to walk. And if I'm running, it's because I'm hoping to run. And nothing you say is going to change that. But I asked my wife and she said, no, no, no. They're just trying to be, you know, I mean, obviously they're just trying to be supportive. I think there are people that do get that.

get energy from that. I don't necessarily either. Like, I'm appreciative. See, I'm all the way to the side of, and this is me having done it for one time, right? But I'm all the way over to like, please stop. Please stop. Like,

Just leave me alone. That's exactly it. Leave me alone. And they're not talking to me. They're talking to the like hundred people right around me at any given moment. And I realized that. But I still was just kind of didn't love that. I will say I only got into someone's way once at the end where, you know, he kind of to the person next to him was grumbling like, well, if people would walk on the right and let us run on the left, there'd be go a lot better. But I was ready to tell that guy, listen, it is a mile five point eight.

Like, this is all walkers. There's nothing but walking here, buddy. Like, I don't know why you're running right now, but like you should have been past here like half an hour ago. You should have been in a different. Like, there's nowhere else for you to be right now. So if you wanted to stop at every photo op, that's on you. But now we're just all walking because we were like everyone at mile 5.8. He should just be glad he didn't get swept. If you're at the end at mile 5.8, you're walking.

Yeah. So especially at the point that you were finishing, because I can't imagine it was a big, huge crowd of people. No, I was the one running past people mostly because I had saved up all my energy by not running at all. So at the end there, I was a little nervous because the bus was right behind me when I started. So I jogged and stopped, jogged, walked, jogged, walked, jogged, walked for a while until I was, you know, felt comfortably a few minutes ahead of that thing. And I finished probably five or six minutes before they closed off.

the course. So it wasn't like, you know...

It wasn't like a photo finish or anything, but, but it was, you know, it was cool. I felt like I did it. And then I felt like I picked it up a little bit at the end there. And I was glad to know that I could have, and I glad to know I had plenty of energy to do this. Cause I wasn't even sure about that. To be honest, I was like, how much like six miles at a clip? What does that really mean? Cause I've never, well, shouldn't say never, but I haven't in a long time intentionally pushed myself for that long of a time at once. Um,

Walking. But it was nothing. So that's fine. I mean, I don't mean it was nothing. I don't mean it was nothing. I mean, I was not. I was not. I did not feel sick. It's just a casual Saturday morning. Yeah.

So, yeah, I would say it was a good race weekend. We had a good time. We both came home with medals. Granted, everyone that participates comes home with medals, whether they finish or not. But we still came home with some medals that we had earned. And I think we can be proud of that. Now, you also braved this 100 degree average heat in the parks multiple days while you were there.

I do want to hear a little bit of a trip report from you and Disneyland in the Heat. And focus on the Disneyland in the Heat aspects. Because I know that...

It can affect crowds. It can affect the decisions you make. It can affect even what you eat. So talk to me a little bit about your experience in the... The really warm September temperature. Well, knowing that I was going to be running these two races, I knew I was going to probably take it pretty easy in the parks. My...

uh game plan was to get there as close to rope drop as possible and then probably have lunch and go back to the hotel and enjoy the air conditioning um while doing that of course i did look at

the Disneyland app to see what was going on and it seemed like most people did that. A lot of the wait times were like five minutes for a lot of things and like even Peter Pan was down to 15 minutes at one point which you know that's... So did that encourage you to stick it out? Like

Like stay in the park? Oh, no. No, you still left. I still left. Yeah. So I just for my regular park going as well. I did not bring a big backpack because usually I have a backpack on to carry whatever I'm

I'm going to pick up around the park because you know I'm going to buy stuff. So I had my Corksicle Mickey Mouse sling with my water bottle and just the bare minimum of things to carry around because...

Good gracious, it was hot. It was never not hot. It didn't matter what time it was. It was just never not warm. It was never comfortable. So I would do morning to early afternoon and then...

Kind of like dinner and evening. Okay. Okay. Did you stay for any night times at all? No, because you had to be up or you did? Well, for Sunday. Okay. After the races, after we were done with our races. I met Tina in the park and we watched the Halloween fireworks over by Small World. Ooh. Together. Very exciting. And then on our way out...

We saw a PhotoPass photographer in front of the Halloween tree, which I'd never seen a PhotoPass photographer over there. And we took some of my favorite PhotoPass photos ever.

Wow. Yeah. Okay. So is the Halloween fireworks different this year? Do you remember? I don't think so. I don't think they've changed in a while. No. And you don't get to see like the big floating ball thing or like zero flying if you're back by small world. But man, is it just more comfortable to watch it back there. And you can get closer to the projections and kind of see what's going on. Yeah. That's very cool. Yeah.

We, Julia and I, last time I saw the fireworks was the Pixar fireworks show they did over Pixar Fest. Oh, that's exciting. So, Julia and I had, we had reservations to get Fantasmic Dining, right? Oh, mm-hmm. So, then we realized, you know what? That's going to be too late because it was the night, well, no, it was not the night. It was the night after our run, but we thought after we got up at three in the morning to run, we're not going to want to stay up till ten at,

1030 because it was the second show. So our 11 at night to see Fantasmic. So we canceled that reservation and made a reservation to eat at Carthay Circle for lunch. And so then Julia knows my favorite place to eat in DCA without question is the Lamplight Lounge for their pork chop. I can never get in there. Well, let me tell you, I can't either. But then the morning, the day before our run, Julia, because we kept looking like every half

half hour or so. Lamplight Lounge pops up. She's like, I got it. So we quick grabbed it and canceled Carthay Circle Lunch. So it turned out to be Lamplight Lounge Brunch, not lunch. They call it brunch. So you didn't get your pork chop? No, they do not have a pork chop for brunch. They have chilaquiles. Oh, that's my favorite. Is it good? As I have said

on my social media, I don't see what people see in Sheila K. Lowe's. Oh, shush. So listen, listen, listen. It was actually tasty. Yeah. I just find them to be a lot of chips, a lot of sauce. If they're done well, they're yummy. That bite over and over and over. Like, where's the other stuff? Yeah.

So they do give you two eggs. They give you two eggs, right? And they give you... And it mixed in with pepitas, right? And there's some cheese in there, right? So I would say there's more cheese than usual on chilaquiles. In fact, sometimes you don't even get cheese. Sometimes it's like the sauce and chips and some sour cream and guacamole and stuff. But no... So the sauce along with the chips along with the... It was really tasty and a good blend, but it was just so much...

of just like it's like eating a whole bag of chips and bean dip like it's good for a while but you want something else and there were like i said there were two eggs well but that's well it could be that way about salad but that's why you add chicken and croutons and once you finish all that it's like why do i want this lettuce

Well, the lettuce holds it all together. Julia, listen. We have very different philosophies for eating. I love a good chilaquiles. Okay, so I'm going to tell you. And you love a good salad. Have you had it at the Lamplight Lounge before? I haven't. Okay, so it was pretty good. But it's good to know it's there. But it was not by any means...

My favorite meal I've ever had there. Is it seasonal or is it always there? No, it's always there, I think, for brunch. And I would say their brunch menu in general just isn't my thing. Like, in fact, I have to say, Lamplight Lounge really isn't my thing. Like, I'm not the big lobster nacho guy. You know, their drinks are too tangy and sweet, like all Disneyland drinks, unless you go to a real bar, like in Carthy Circle or Club 33. You know, all their drinks are sickly sweet. But...

I do like singularly that pork chop. Like I will fight to go to Carthay. I mean, to go to Lamplight Lounge to have that pork chop. It's the best thing at DCA. Better than anything at Carthay Circle. Does it come with something? You're always like slightly disappointed every time you've gone to Carthay Circle. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

But there's a big enough menu that I haven't tried many, many things yet. Like, you know, there's a lot of things I could still try there. Okay. There's not that big of a menu at Lounge Flight Lounge. No. It's a very small menu. Yep. So it was not my favorite trip there. But I will say for brunch, the chilaquiles were pretty tasty. So if you like that kind of thing, I think you would like them.

Right. And I enjoyed it. It was, it was too much of the same, but I did enjoy it while I was eating it. Right. So that was okay. Um, I forget Julia had like a spam Benedict, I think. And she liked it. Like spice ham. That's spam, right? Spice ham. Look like spam. Um, so, um,

Yeah. So, you know, it was pretty good. It was, like, fine. Like, it was nice, edible, tasty food. Like most Disneyland. Like, most Disneyland food is nice, edible, tasty. Nice, edible, tasty. But it wasn't my thing. Like, I wish...

We had gone to Carthay Circle for lunch instead of Lamplight Lounge for brunch, but you live and learn. You live and learn. Did you have any food highlights? I tried a couple of the seasonal items at Red Rose Tavern. Talk about it. I tried the autumnal harvest flatbread, which had butternut squash, mushrooms, feta, and fried bread.

basil i think okay all right it was tasty it had some kind of sauce on it that was too spicy for my mom i didn't find it that spicy but she's what kind of what did they use to make it spicy garlic miso sauce okay and fried sage okay um not basil i thought it was good

And then I had a couple of bites of my boyfriend's spicy chicken cordon bleu sandwich. Oh, cordon bleu. What's in it? Cordon bleu. It was a fried chicken filet with four chili spice, pickled aioli, pickled chips, prosciutto, and Swiss cheese on toasted brioche-style bun. That sounds good. I will tell you something. Side note, we were walking out of the park. Okay.

And the one thing I bought in Disneyland to eat this trip, other than the cart, the lounge food was the big pickle. So I was walking out with a big pickle. Right. And we're walking past security and the security guard looks at me and he's like,

that looks so good i felt like everyone everyone in the 90 degree 100 degree heat like they wanted the big pickle because your body just knows like i must have that big pickle right now so disneyland has been and has really been embracing the pickle lately i feel like i know i also tried the well before before i get there i also had the enchanted pumpkin stuff at red rose tavern so it was instead of the gray stuff it was pumpkin was it orange

It was orange. It's a pumpkin mousse, pumpkin cake, apricot marmalade center, green sprinkles, silver stars, and chocolate branch and leaf. It was cute. I liked it. Did it look like a pumpkin leaf or something? It did. Yeah. Yeah. That's cool. And then I also tried the sparkling pickle lemonade.

Ooh, tell me about it. I liked it. It wasn't too pickly. It was refreshing. I mean, you should like pickles if you order this because you're not going to like it otherwise because it tastes like pickle. It doesn't taste like you're just drinking pickle juice or anything like that, but it just...

Has hints of pickle. Yeah. I could see that. Is it pickle or dill? It's probably dill, right? I mean, there's a pickle spear in it. It's probably a dill pickle. But I mean, okay, I understand what you're saying. Most likely what you're talking about is like dill flavor. Usually when people, well, this new thing going around, pickle everything, right? Pickle chips, pickle this, pickle that. Usually it's dill, you know.

But, okay, that sounds – actually, I wanted to see if we had actually not fled the parks, which will be the conclusion of my story. I was thinking about, boy, I want to try that pickle lemonade because it sounds like – I think you'd like it. I think I would, too. It sounds like this kind of thing like garlic ice cream they have at the garlic festival around here. Have you tried that? It sounds gross.

Yeah, it's good. I mean, ice cream is sugar, so it's sugar. It looks like lemonade is sugar, so it's sugar, right? And then there's a little hint of dill or a little hint of garlic. Like, if you like that flavor, it's sweet version, right? Same thing with the pickle lemonade. Like, if you like that flavor, it's a sweet version. So I think I would have liked the pickle lemonade. I think so, too. Especially since I do like the big pickles so much. Yeah. Like, what's not to like? I will say, yeah, there's nothing better than one of those big pickles.

or one of the pineapple spears. Those are both. You can't go wrong on a hot day. One of those are a nice pick me up. I agree. So a couple of last things I will say, and then we'll see if you have any last thoughts. Um, I will say if you just need to get away from the park, like we did, um,

Julie and I went to a place called Orange Hill. So it's in Orange, which is about 10 minutes away from Disneyland. It's just down the road, a couple exits. The town of Orange. So if you go to Orange, there's some great antique shops and stuff there. It's got a nice little downtown. But there is a restaurant that's literally 20-minute drive at the most from Disneyland, assuming you don't have...

bad traffic. And it's up the top of a hill. Like you might as well be in a different world. You get up there and there's beautiful koi ponds and you go into the restaurant and it overlooks like all the way out to, I think Catalina Island. If you can see through the smog, like sometimes, or not smog, but haze, sometimes there's haze, but you can see all the way to Disneyland. And like, it's, you know, it's not super high hill, but it's tall enough to really like put you in a different place. Right. And it's a steakhouse. Yeah.

Seafood and steak. Mostly a steakhouse. So they have some really amazing menu offerings. We only have eaten there once, so we only tried our single things. I had a snapper, like a whole snapper. I always kind of wanted to do that. You see people that get the whole fish. It was like, I'm just going to get the whole fish. And so this was a crispy snapper. So it was filleted. So really, the whole fish was for decor. They filleted it.

belly. Like they made fish fillets. You know what fish fillets are like they filleted and breaded them. So you had two patties, like basically fillet of fish sandwiches, two breaded patties of fillet on out of the stomach of this thing. And then the rest of the fish, they just kind of leave there. They cook it all together. Right. So it just kind of bakes the fish. But you don't eat that part. That's just to look like, so you can like, who gave up their fillets for me for this dinner? It's this fish. Yeah.

This fish gave up its fillets. So I thought it was kind of cool. Julia had a steak. So we liked it a lot. We thought it was a wonderful meal. Great cocktails. I got something that had smoke on it.

Basically an old fashioned, I think. But it had, you know, came in a little little jar, which they lift with a flourish. So the smoke comes out while you before you drink it. So lots of kind of fancy cocktails. There was it's the kind of place where, oh, there was a wedding party going on there in the other in the outside room. Like, you know what I mean? So it's kind of a steakhouse slash. I don't know. I guess it's a popular place for people to go. Yeah. So we loved it.

It's only, like I said, 20 minutes away from Disneyland. If you ever were like, I don't know what's around here, but I'd really like to try something. If you don't want to spend Ruth's Chris money, which is literally right down the street from Disneyland, or McCormick Schmick money, it's probably similar to McCormick and Schmick. I think it's probably less expensive than Ruth's Chris. Probably similar, or maybe even a little less than McCormick and Schmick down the road at the Garden Walk. Yeah.

But it was really good. We enjoyed it a lot, and we were glad to get out of the heat and be somewhere else. Yes. And so I will say, like, we had a reservation for Disneyland Park Hopper. We didn't use it at all. We used it to go to Lamplight Lounge. Something. And then we took a picture with the Headless Horseman, and we said, we are out. Julia did... We did go through a store, and she bought a...

Did she buy us anything there? We might have bought something in the store. And then we stopped to get a big pickle on the way out of DCA from the little fruit stand. And then we were out. And that was the end of our Disney experience. We did walk all through the parks for the 10K, of course. But as far as actual attractions, that was not what we were about this weekend. So way too hot. Way too hot. Okay. So before we go, Julia, I do need to hear about what's it like to...

to run a half marathon. Talk about your experience a little bit. Like that sounds...

insane so talk about that well it's not as insane as a marathon which i don't think i could do um i ran it with my sister who i'm very proud of because she had literally just tested negative for covid so the two weeks leading up to the half marathon she was not feeling well um

So that kind of paused her training right at the very end. But she was ready. So really, I started in her corral. She was placed into corral C, which was just fine. And we pretty much ran the 10K part of it, which again was...

It was a little different than the course for the 10K the day before, but I would say probably about the same distance we ran in the park, with a few differences to how we got to certain places. But then we were out on ball, and I was not the only runner that was like, okay, okay.

Now the boring part. Yeah, yeah. So it took a while. We ran through parts of Anaheim I have never seen, probably never would have seen before.

And let me pause you for a second. Does Disneyland put like official, like are there decorations or characters or anything out of the parks? They do the mile markers. Okay. Yes. They do not put characters, but they put all the mile markers with the clocks out there. Okay.

And then they have different like course entertainment. This time there were a lot of different DJs. So there were a lot of DJs with all different music styles. There were a couple of like marching bands. There was one group of cheerleaders. And then they had a couple of singers.

There was one band that kind of reminded me of the group that performs in Animal Kingdom at Disney World. Okay. And they were singing like all jungle themed songs. So like when we went past, they had just finished singing the Bear Necessities and then they were singing the...

What's that song called? The Awimoway? The Lion Sleeps Tonight. Yes. I don't know how that goes. So they were fun. But I feel like it took forever to get to Angel Stadium.

And we had gotten... It was between miles 10 and 11 that we got to Angel Stadium and then just kind of ran around the warning track of the field and then back out. And then we had a couple of miles to go. Yeah. To the finish line. I do want to mention also they changed the location of the starting and finishing line. Like usually...

What I had experienced in past run Disney Disneyland races is they would start over near one of the parking structures. I don't even remember where.

And then the finish line was like that road right in front of the Disneyland Hotel. So you'd pass like the big sorcerer hat. But this time they had them both kind of off Disney property, which I liked better. Not just because it's closer. It was closer to my hotel. But I feel like it was easier to maneuver after the race. For sure. To get around and for like...

people that were just trying to be in downtown Disney. It was kind of always a nightmare when the races went through downtown Disney. Yeah, absolutely. But yeah, we had a good time. I did not, like I mentioned, did not get a PR. Katie was, my sister was tracking her heart rate. So,

We were taking our walk breaks depending on where her heart rate was. And then we, because it was so warm, we stopped at all the water stations and made sure we were hydrated. Now, talk to me like I'm a 5K runner. What's a PR? A personal record. Personal record. Excellent. Okay. So you did not... You weren't trying to beat your record is what you're saying. My only goal was to be...

between my best time and my longest time. And we did that. So, yeah. Wait, wait, between your best and worst. Oh, what you're saying is let me just not do as bad as I've done at the worst. Okay. Well, okay. That's noble. Like it's in the heat. Right. So it's still like, okay, I don't want to do worse than ever. I get it. Okay. Well,

Well, good. It sounds to me like you did way better than that. So what you call average, I call unknowable, like how someone could get that for that many miles. Like I could understand like, oh, I got to go one mile and I got to make it in 12 minutes. Yeah, I could do that. Maybe, maybe I could maybe jog enough to catch that, catch that. Yeah, maybe. Right. But not for sure. Not many. Actually, not even a mile. I could never do that. I could never do that.

I mean, never say never, but I understand. All right. So congratulations. Thank you. And I'm proud of you. And I'm glad that you really are not giving up on this Disney Run thing. I mean, every year I think like, oh, this is kind of old. It's going to disappear one of these days. Yeah.

No one's going to keep putting up with this Disney running stuff. And somehow it keeps on happening. I'm all signed up for the half marathon in February. Excellent. Well, good luck to you. Thanks. And I'm sure you're going to do great in the coolness. Like, let's go for a PR. Maybe. That PR was several years ago. Okay. But it was a great weekend anyways. Like, super glad I went. Had a good time doing the run or the walk.

race. Did you have a good time, Julia? I did. Are you glad you went? Always. Yeah, I agree. Who's the team behind the show you're listening to today? M-O-U-S-E-G-A-L-G-I-A You're listening to Nostalgia. Hashtag Carpe Kingdom. Hashtag Seize the Magic. Alright, well, I am pleased this week to have Kristen back on the show with me. Kristen, thanks for coming back. Thanks for having me. And such short notice, too.

You know, I'm here for you. Just like an old shoe or a good friend. One of the two. Let's go with a good friend. Yeah, just like a good friend. And I mean, old shoes are there for you sometimes. Sometimes you need an old shoe. Or like a cold beer. All right. Kristen is here. Yes. And we are here. Actually, we're here for... For a serious segment. I'm sorry. I do not want to say this is a terribly sad moment. It is melancholy, right? And it is sad.

It is sad, but it's also a celebration. Like, I like to celebrate people who have lived long, successful, legacy-filled lives. Like, I like to celebrate their memory. Yes. And we are here to celebrate the memory of Pete Renaday, who passed away last weekend. Or the weekend before. I'm not sure when this is going to hit the air, but he passed away recently, you know, last weekend. Yeah.

You know, we knew Pete. We knew Peter reasonably well. Kristen, you met you met him at least one time. Did you meet him more than. Yeah. So we talked to him on the phone a couple of times and then we had time with him at the mouse meet. Yeah. But I feel like I feel like you definitely became Pete's like right hand man.

mansion friend. Yeah. But I do feel like I was the catalyst because I was so obsessed with him. Like, him and Hayley, I was seriously, like, obsessed. Like, him and Hayley Mills. And I remember, like,

When early on in Nostalgia, I was like, we got to get Pete Rende because I was such a... I mean, if you could have a crush on an audio animatronic bear, like that was me. Yeah. I loved Henry. I loved the Country Bird Jamboree as a kid. And I just was like my life goal to get him on. And basically at that point, like every Imagineer, every person, you know, in Disney we knew was like, oh yeah, he's just, he's a ghost. Like you can't, he's off the grid. Like you can't find him. And then he showed up at...

A D23... What's the ranch down in, like... Oh, yeah. You mean in Palm Springs. Yeah. I can't remember the name of that place. Anyway, where Walt had his, like, desert home. He came to an event D23 was having there. And I remember thinking, okay, he's, like, he's willing, right? We just have to find him. And then...

I think I remember who someone introduced us via email and then it just was history from there. But I remember our first conversation with him. And seriously, do you remember how excited I was? Like, I wanted to go, I wanted to go back and listen to that episode today, but I couldn't do it because you know, when you go back and see something you did, you're like, well, that was embarrassing. Like, I'm pretty sure I,

was just so fangirl giddy about this. I can't make myself go back and listen. Well, I did go back and listen to that episode. Did you? Was I ridiculous? No, you were. You were often giddy on Mousetalgia. I mean, that's kind of why I'm just giddy and hired you.

But it was not embarrassing. You should go back and listen. Okay, that's good. Because Pete Renaday, I listened to three of our, we had him on the show a number of times. The Valentine show when he talked about his wife. And we had him on a Halloween episode. I don't know if we did that live or just played some clips

But we also, of course, famously, the Mouse Meat episode. Yeah, that's the best one. So, yeah, let's talk about Pete a little bit. One thing I did not do is pull up his Wikipedia or something, because I'm sure there are details that I will not remember and get straight here. But I didn't really need this to be a bio. Like, I didn't want to just do a bio. Pete...

I feel like he's one of those kind of unsung studio guys, right? And there are many people like that. But not many people like Pete, because while I think his role was kind of that unsung studio guy, he had some very prominent voices that stuck up and pulled him way above the crowd in many instances. And like you just mentioned, of course, Henry Bear from the...

Yeah. Like that's, that's, his voice is unmistakable. He is Henry. Yeah. Unmistakable. Right? Like there was no other bear besides, besides Pete. Yeah.

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But he wasn't the narrator. Like, he wasn't just describing stuff. He was the emcee. Like, Pete was the emcee. And there's a difference. Like, it takes, like, a character and a presence to be a master of ceremonies. Do you know what I mean? And that's what Henry was. That's what the ghost host on the record was. And that's kind of who he was in person. Like, when we would talk to him, like, he kind of settles back and he has that drawl and, you know, that kind of a...

you know it kind of a defaults to almost like a henry type western kind of conversation but with this kind of deep comforting voice like he was just such an interesting guy and he was always super generous like every time i like had an idea for hey pete maybe we could do this ghost host routine again like five times we did that thing together at various events and every time i would

bring it up to him and say like, Hey, I had another opportunity. He was always like, Hey, that sounds great. You know? And he's willing to travel all the way to San Jose here to do it for do McGee's Winchester mystery house thing. Right. You know, he would go where, where it pulled him. And he was always generous with his fans, at least with us being representatives of his fans. Um,

Man, he was a good guy. You know, what I think was really interesting about him, too, was the fact that, like, I feel like, and to their total right to do so, a lot of times when you meet these older Disney actors and artists and legends, like, they definitely have a persona of, like, Disney celebrity, right? Like, and I think it is earned, right? I mean, people like...

Bob Gurr. I mean, he's a force of nature, right? But he definitely has that air of like, he's a Disney celebrity and he knows it, right? And then you meet a Pete Renaudet, who is a different type of artist, you know, but in his own way, did things that just have stuck with so many fans, whether they know it or not. And he, I feel like when you look at him as

His voice roles really were his work. And he never jumped the shark to I'm a persona or a celebrity, a Disney celebrity at this point. Like he just was a guy. You know what I'm saying? Like when you met him.

first and foremost was just a person you could connect with on a human being level as just a nice person who had some really interesting stories to tell that honestly he wasn't even that affected by like I mean the things this man did were huge and he just was like he just kind of tell you the story and like

Like that's how it was. And then, you know, maybe just get a lemonade together. Like he just was a person and that was his job. He was glad to talk to you about it, but it was not all consuming and all encompassing of who he was as a human being. And I think for me, that's one reason I loved spending time with him, whether it was in person or over the phone, because it just felt like you could know him, you know, like he didn't have barriers up. He didn't have walls up.

You could know him as a person and also appreciate him as an artist. And I think that's a really rare, a rare moment when you meet someone that you admire so much. Yeah. Yeah. You know, Julie and I had,

I guess you could call it an opportunity to drive he and Mark Silverman from all the way from Burbank to the OC during... I think it was during rush hour. So, like, we were in that car for a while. And the thing about Pete that I appreciate is that he really never made you...

He wouldn't go on and on about himself, like you just said, or about his stuff. But it wasn't because it wasn't important to him. So when Mark and he were in that car, suddenly the conversation... It was fascinating being a fly on the windshield. Because they just went into talking about old radio time and voice acting. And they were just talking about all these fascinating...

Things about radio history and voiceover history. And it was just cool to hear, like, they really are super enmeshed in this world. But it was, he didn't drag you with him into that place. He was just always pleasant and friendly. And, you know, it was just so, I really feel like...

very privileged that I got to spend a little bit of time kind of getting to know him a little bit more than just, just the guy we interviewed. Right. Um, so do you have a, so I, we both have our favorite Pete Renaday. It's not even funny or it's not even worth saying like yours is Henry. Mine is the ghost host, but he did so many things. Um, he did. So he was Lincoln for something. Nothing to sniff at. So, and while Disney world, he was a captain Nemo and the 20,000. Yeah. That's right. Yeah.

This is Captain Emo speaking. Welcome aboard the Nautilus. We are proceeding on a course that will take us on a voyage 20,000 leagues out of the sea. In Disneyland, he was in Winnie the Pooh as a narrator. He was in the Hall of Presidents as Abraham Lincoln from 94 to 2008. If you have been taught doctrines conflicting with those great landmarks of the Declaration of Independence, if you have listened...

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He was the narrator in the Walt Disney story. He's the voice of the Tomorrowland Transit Authority. He was a voice in Adventure Through Inner Space. Phase blue. Phase blue. Wide wavelength approximately 0.5 thousand millimeters. Definition excellent.

The Mark Twain riverboat. And then I just remember him mentioning, too, like when we when we talked to him, he was like he would almost remember things. He's like, oh, yeah. Then I did the the announcement for the the skyrocket, the jets, you know, like his voice is just everywhere. And you didn't really know it.

It has been everywhere, right? So most of those things are gone. I think he still is in Winnie the Pooh, right? That's Disneyland, right? Where he's just right at the very beginning, right? Like the Once Upon a Time guy or whatever. And he is still the voice of the commander for the rocket jets. Yep, the rocket jets. Yeah, I love that. So he's still there. Every time you hear the announcement for the rocket jets, that's Pete Renaudet. Right.

Well, and then he was, I think, really well known for the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. I was just going to say. I was not a Turtle fan, but. Yeah, well, what I was going to say is, so we're talking about his Disney thing and you're talking about how small his ego is there. Well, he never even mentions to us as the Disney fans, like, oh yeah, by the way, I'm kind of a big deal. A much bigger deal. Like to Comic-Cons around the world as Splinter from Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. It was a powerful mutagen.

It caused whoever touched it to take on the form of whatever animal they had most recently been in contact with. And that is how they became the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. Most of the biographies that have been coming out this week

first mentioned Splinter from Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. Like that was his, I suppose, biggest claim to fame. I don't know that I would say if people knew, like they don't know who Disney voices are because, you know, they're just rides. You know, no one really pays much attention to that. But I think if people knew this is the voice of Henry Bear, they would be a little bit more

Right.

Well, and I even forgotten up until this week, even though we talked to him about it, that he was the voice of Mickey Mouse on Mousercise, which was honestly like that and the Annie album as a kid formed me as a musician. All right. Those two albums. I love those. OK, so Disneyland Records worked for both of us. Like I had Donovan Atkins record. You had Mousercise record.

We're just different generations. Whatever it takes. But we did talk to him about being on the Mickey Mouse album, the voice of Mickey Mouse on those albums in the 80s. We should play a little, some of the things, some of our conversation with Pete. So one clip I did want to insert here is you, actually, you're the one that brought this up and we're talking to him about Mickey Mouse and he

So here's a here's a clip of you asking them about being Mickey Mouse. And I think you even asked him, like, do you have any tips for people that might get a job being Mickey Mouse? So take a listen to this. So, Pete, I'm interested to know, as we're talking about all of your voices you've done, you have actually done Mickey Mouse. Is that right?

Yeah. Yeah, that's right. That's awesome. Wow. How was that? Was that the most intimidating? I would imagine that could be the most intimidating voice in the whole world, like Mickey Mouse, Walt Disney, Mickey Mouse. You know, I didn't think of it at the time. As I think of it now, I think, wow, that was quite an honor I got to be able to do that, you know. But at the time, I'd go over there and do the voice for her.

Talking Mickey toy or the LPs. We did a lot of LPs back in those days. The partners and Yankee Doodle Mickey. Yeah. Those are classic. Yeah. Those are a lot of fun. A lot of fun. I don't know if they've ever put them on CD or not, but I wish they would. Now, let me ask you this. It couldn't have been a natural just someone...

had the brainstorm that you would make a great sounding Mickey Mouse based on your other performances. So how is it that they came up with the idea to ask you to do Mickey Mouse? I think that I had done a demo tape. Okay. And they heard the demo tape. And I just did Mickey for laughs. I didn't think I'd be working as Mickey. But I did it just to show variety. Sure. And somebody, probably Jim Agon in the music company, or maybe it was Jimmy Johnson,

heard it and they said, wait a minute, this is a good Mickey. It's pretty good. And I was happy that Ducky Nash, when I worked with him, I'd only worked with him once. He was kind enough to say, hey, this guy is closest to Walt that I've heard yet. Oh, wow. Wow, that's an honor. Wow, that's a great honor from Ducky Clarence. So I know there's a lot

People always want to do Mickey Mouse. I feel like people who are striving to be voice actors, especially Disney fans, always want to have a good Mickey. And I've heard my fair share of good ones and my fair share of bad Mickeys. So if you were giving up-and-coming voice actors tips on doing a Mickey voice, what are your tips on that one? Well, I would say listen to the old cartoons. You know, the Brave Little Taylor and...

Vickie's band concert, things like that. You could listen to the ones with Walt, too, the black and whites. But Walt's was very high. And I think what I was trying for was

somewhere right between Jimmy McDonald and Walt. Mostly because that's where my voice range would be as far as my falsetto. And it's all falsetto, let's face it. But I did that Talking Mickey toy, and there was so much we recorded for that. Play some drums. The one, the only. You're on. Battery's not included. M-I-C-K-E.

Hambo, you, I see. Baby mouse! Well, what do you know? Baby mouse! Aw, shucks. He talked to me.

The Talking Mickey Mouse with illustrated book and cassette from Worlds of Wonder. And I did another thing that was an instruction thing, a game. And Mickey answered all the questions and the child would come up with an answer and Mickey would either say, Oh gee, that's right, that's terrific. Oh, sorry. That took two days of doing all of the pop.

the possible responses for that. That's awesome. I would like to say before we, you know, leave the thought of Pete Renaday, like he, boy, it'll be hard for us not to talk about Pete Renaday for a while in the future. You know, he's going to come up like he's just one of those guys that we got to know. One of the good things

graces of being part of Nostalgia is we've been able to meet a few people that have made a difference and he's one of those guys that made a difference. And we are going to leave you with another little clip here, but I just, you know. You know, it was interesting this week because Calla came home from her first week of fourth grade and they had one of those like getting to know you things where it's like, you know, you've been to Hawaii and you had to put your classmate's name down or whatever. So it was the

the box was met someone famous and she's like my mom. And I started to think about that because I had talked to her that morning about, you know, Pete had died and she's a country bearish girl as well. And it was really interesting because I started to think about that and like how blessed we have been beyond abundantly lucky with the experiences we've had on nostalgia, you know, not only knowing Pete, but I started to think about all of the people we have talked to who are no longer with us. Right. Like,

It is. I mean, and that's the thing when you have a history podcast, like, you know, people get old and they pass on and, and as wonderful it is to remember these people. It's sad too. And I, you know, there's, I think the void of who's left is getting bigger and bigger. And for me, it just was a reminder about that.

you know, treasuring the relationships you have with people, making time for the relationships you have with people and also being open to new things. Like never in a million years did we think Pete Renaday would be, you know, like a good acquaintance. And I think Jeff, your friend, I mean, he really was your friend in the end. Yeah. I mean, whoever thought that would happen. And so get out there, know people and, and take the time to sit and to talk with them. Cause you honestly never know where that relationship is going to go. Um,

And I just think Pete was a really wonderful example of that. And just such a gift to all of us, not only in the Disney community, but especially to us in nostalgia. And we were definitely going to miss him. Yeah, absolutely. And I'm glad you shared that. And like my last just seems like just yesterday, our last email was about the line for the last showing of Country Bear Jamboree at Walt Disney World. And he was kind of like, you know.

celebrating himself. Like the fact that, hey, people really cared about what I did and it was really important to people to be there for the end of that. So, Peter Renaudet, rest in peace. And, you know, our thoughts and sympathy are with his family. Yeah, with his family. And, you know, his close friends. And, yeah, we were just lucky to know him. I'm scared, too.

Well, I'll be. This house is still full of furniture. It's as though someone still lived here. There's a candelabra. Light some candles. Good evening. Who said that? I think it came from that marble statue. Oh, Mike, let's get out of here. The door closed. I can't get it open. When hinges creak in doormen's chambers and strange and frightening sounds echo through the halls...

Whenever candlelights flicker, where the air is deathly still, that is the time when ghosts are present, practicing their terror with ghoulish delight. Welcome, foolish mortals, to the Haunted Mansion. I am your host, your ghost host. Kindly step this way. There's no turning back now. You will not be harmed.

But you will not be released until you take a tour of my home. We have so few visitors. Live ones, that is. You're listening to Mousetail Jack. Carpe Kingdom. Seize the magic. Mousetail Jack.

All right, that's all the time we have for this week's episode of Nostalgia. I kind of enjoyed that little conversation about Peter right today. He was a friend, and I'm proud of that. And he just leaves an amazing legacy for Disney fans, for Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle fans, for just voice acting fans. Like, such an amazing guy. And Julia, you got to... You got to...

meet him right you were at were you at the yeah you had a couple of your events a couple things yeah he's an he's amazing guy so julia thank you so much for joining me to talk about the uh run disney events uh always a pleasure to have you on the show congratulations thank you

Thank you. You're like, what? I will take that. I will take that because I didn't actually know if I would be able to. I'm proud of you. Didn't know if I'd even be able to. So I will take that. If you want to hear more of Julia's variety of thoughts and ideas, she also hosts the Doom Buggies podcast with me, which this this episode of the Doom Buggies podcast, we do have

an extended section of about peter run a day plus julia and i talked a little bit more about the halloween run but we also talk a little bit about the haunted mansion some things about the haunted mansion that are becoming recently discovered that make everything you thought you knew wrong so you might want to check out the latest edition of the doom movies podcast julia you can also find over at pal around right what's your latest pal around about

We have one coming out all about Ren Disney. You guys are going to be sick of Ren Disney. Well, that's all right. All different perspectives and different angles. And then Julia also does a literary podcast called Sibling Library. So look for that, too. And if you want to support Nostalgia, please go to NostalgiaPlus.com. NostalgiaPlus.com. And you can learn about that. I would love your support, of course.

Every single dollar goes to paying the bills. And I appreciate it very, very much. And I thank you all for your support, your constant support and your constant listening. Like, thank you for your time. That's the most important thing. Like you're here, you're here. And you have so many things you could listen to, so many things you could be doing. And you're here with me and Julia right now.

And I just cannot tell you how much that means. It means so much to me and I appreciate it. All right. That's all the time for this week. Let's go out there and Carpe Kingdom and seize the magic, everybody. Bye-bye. Bye.

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