Episode 620: The Suspicious Kidnapping of Sherri Papini
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IT is I never got to I never got to have a real tree growing up because we always like live in apartments and stuff. So is, and my mom was like, i'm not going to get a fucking and fake like i'm busy. And so what I mean jew first got when I first moved in with mom. Pop, yeah, got me a real tree. Because, because, because we always got real trees yeah and then when me and drew got together, I was like, we must have a real tree example of one year that we were in an apartment but this year I was like, drew asked me, he was like, can we go back to let go fake tree like its a pain in the a real tree and I don't do anything for IT I was like, no, we have to have a real one and then yesterday I was thinking, no, you can buy them to o and yeah and i'm always cleaning up the pine needles which drives me and and then you can get that for breeze that smells like the Christmas tree i'm going to fake one this year .

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And if you're an ash, I started retouching Grace and Frankie. There you go to two polar opposite. Release up in this very different, I am obsess. So we're going to talk today about the suspicious ous, super suspicious ous kidnapping of Sherry pepi.

Suspicious is a very kind way.

say so if he jogged out a town like, don't. And kidnapping .

is also a kind way of saying this.

Yeah, I don't really know what else you'd call the hoax. The whole great hoax.

Cherry, the absolute game. Yeah, that Cherry poppi, you know, terrible, terrible woman, yet truly terrible woman. Complete.

complete the century. So let's get into IT. If you not know this story, you're about to when thirty bordering Cherry pop, I did not show up to pick up her kids from daycare. On the afternoon of november second, twenty sixteen, everyone was immediately alarmed that the teachers at school, her family, her friends, they were like that fuck and weird.

yeah. Who would willingly not pick up their children from daycare? Oh yeah. Sherry pipi, yeah. Because SHE literally chose to leave her children at daycare too.

Wait, this. Yeah, incredibly fast. wow. Just over her every time you wow. But up until that point, everyone just knew her as like this lovely doing, stay at home.

Mom scare her energy, went to her children so you would never think he would do something very cookie cut or White picket. Friends, five, yeah. So her husband, keh told dankness, on good morning america, everybody who knows my wife knows there's no reason for her to leave. SHE was definitely taken against her will and he was not in on this so telling from the job Keith was, but decided.

And why would he have any reason to believe that somebody that is like, you would never think? no. He thought he had like, a great life.

There are several layers of this story. Yes, that you go in. No world would I ever believe that someone would go this far or do this kind of absolute nonsense. And IT just keep a piles on. The more that adds into this, you got, no, no, no one would .

do that for what? Like, sure, what is? I mean, got money. But I don't even think that was ough really what you're do. And I don't really think that was the ultimate go and look, at least in my opinion, just like knowing about the case, I don't I think the goal was like attention.

There is a lot of mental .

illness a factor for sure for sure.

like their hat IT has that like this is beyond comprehension like there's a documentary about IT yeah.

it's called down. I think it's the perfect life on who who hold. I wrote at the end .

my notes it's a this documentary will blow so good.

I think it's three episodes. It's perfect wife, the mysterious disappearance of sharp I and there was things in the documentary that I hadn't even heard about, yeah, just like watching the case fold out oh yeah, like the end of IT.

I was like.

oh wow yeah you're awful. Yeah in court.

That's the other thing. This isn't just like, you know some mental health issues going on. She's just a shit person to the core like when you find out like the the details of who he is yeah she's an answer yeah so it's like, yeah, it's wild.

I feels so bad for her family. I do too. I really do so let's .

go back to the start. So earlier that day, shi left her home and writing to go for a job, something SHE SHE done countless times before I was her routine. Just before leaving for her job, SHE takes a key task if he was going to be home for lunch and he said, no.

So he went out when kids got home for mark that night, a little after five, he was surprised to find the house completely empty, share at that point. Was a stand home mom. And with the exception of a few days a week that the kids were in daycare, SHE was always home with them in the afternoon.

S and he always went, got them from daycare. So by the time Keith got home, everyone was home. Now, according to host a county share of tombs, sanko Cherry was last seen by a neighbor quote in the area of the old organ trail and sunrise drive, about a mile and a half from their home OK.

Not far at all share of deputies were able to tree Cherry spoon to the intersection where he was last seen using a find my iphone with kid's help. And IT was there. They went up to that intersection, and they found her phone, her ear buds, in several strands of blond hair, which Cherry was a is a lot, her mother and loss.

Susan, instead of the discovery, I would say my personal reaction is that it's too fold. One is that it's good to have some sort of clue, but the other portion is that IT really points to she's been taken. I mean, SHE won't just drop her phone if SHE was running away.

No, you wouldn't think no. The hair is like, yeah again, when you know like what's going on, you IT reminds me of them scream for yes when jail is tearing out jumps over hair so true.

And people also always compare this to gone girl yeah yeah, which I I want to say gone girl came out before this.

I think IT was yeah because I think that was called a lot of people said it's like .

the gone girl OK yeah I think you're right. Fact track neal continue and you can interpret me yeah so shy she'd always been a dedicated wife and mother. Up to that point, SHE rarely deviated from a routine.

SHE didn't have any physical or mental health conditions that anybody knew about at that point. And he had never had any interaction with law enforcement. So simply put, SHE was the last person that anybody would have ever expected to just disappear without a trace function.

Initially, share of deputies fan out across the area where he was last scene, looking for any evidence that might point them in the right direction. But with the exception of the phone, the ear buddy in the hair evidence, the search really didn't turn up anything else as far as clues. So a few days later, nearly one hundred and fifty friends, family and neighbors spread out across, running to help search for Sherry, and many others handed out fires are posted on social media. Like the community was very active in this case. IT was one of those cases where you actually see the best of a community like banding to.

yeah everybody can bands together to help someone. Yeah that they think needs help.

that they think needs help, and they spend resources and money and time often for this person.

Go on girl. The book came out in two thousand and twelve, and the the movie came out in two thousand and fourteen. Ah, so the movie came out. Someone took notes.

took, no, it's not. I dwt in my mind. So there were local businesses, even offering their services, are adding in the search themselves. In local organizations like shaster support service or national accounting, guardian Angels were helping to coordinate different searches.

These poor people they put, that's the thing like this community really was amazing yeah and everything you .

would hold a prays yeah and everything you would hope would happen when somebody actually fucking .

disappeared yeah they all did their job.

Sherry sister shela told her reporter, I was just overwhelmed with all of the community involvement, but now couldn't believe IT. Within a few days of charges disappearance, a massive facebook group was generating a large number of tips, but at that point none were particularly useful in.

Meanwhile, in reading, investigators started questioning the known sex offenders living in the area, but all had alibis that quickly checked out, so they were rolled out of suspects. And in an effort to encourage more tips from the public, secret witnesses sed, a community based organisation to help with missing person's cases, offered a ten thousand dollar reward for any information, leading to share you safer term. A day later, that reward was raised to fifty thousand dollars, thinks to a huge number of private donations.

unbelievable. And those who couldn't donate money seemed more than happy to donate their time. People were literally driving to writing from other parts of california, having been just absolutely moved by the growing number of articles about this woman that everyone at at that point was referred to a super mom.

wow.

Think of how a big california is. yeah. And people were driving from all over just to go participate in the search because this woman was so like such an inspiring mother to that an inspiring .

life that is a scary. It's like, this is the thing. Like people were not wrong to to be taking that from her.

That's what was being portrayed. Yeah, exactly. And it's like, dam, there's a lot of lot of a compartmentalise ation of personalities here. Yeah definitely.

So despite the truly remarkable community effort and countless man hours from local laender cement a week past and there was still no sign of sharing or even the slight test hint of where he could have possibly gone by that point, the share of office had to consider the possibility of fall play, obviously, but they still weren't willing to confirm anything just yet, luton and Anthony bert in told reporters on november eighth, just based on the way this investigation kicked off, were still handling this as a missing person at risk.

We're investigating all avenues right now. We're not set on one particular direction now. The lack of news from local laender cement was obviously frustrating for the family and for the community who are starting to feel like all their efforts weren't getting them any closer to finding share.

Yeah I can imagine that her sister SHE is at the time. The frustrating part is we feel like we are going on nothing. I think we exhausted the resources that we have out here to search for her.

We feel that it's moved to where she's been taken from this area. And everyone in the nation needs to be looking. So every thinking .

SHE was taken out for point. Yeah, and that must be the scarious thought thinking SHE could be anywhere. Yeah, literally anywhere. And like.

how are we going to find her? And like, entire fucking, how do we narrow this down at all exactly? Now, while the family's concerns of a kidnapping were understandable, they also were entirely plausible because less than a month earlier, on october twelve, fifty one year old Stacy smart disappeared from her home in Lewis stan, which is only about an hour from rudin. And with cherie disappearance happening so soon, and with the two women sharing pretty similar feature, yeah, many in the community started to worry that maybe there were some kind of serial offender Operating.

which was probably the the aim.

probably so, with no new evidence in a growing fear that something truly, truly a feria that happened to sharing suspicion, of course, fell on Keith poppi, particularly among the facebook group that was dedicated to finding Sherry. And this is where I can get dangerous. This is a dangerous exactly, because, sure, IT happens. A lot, of course, are involved, but there are also cases where they are not involved and they are just dedicated.

defining their wife when IT starts happening, like particularly facebook, I feel like of words like any of social media, words like people are just getting kind of rosin at the like at the state for just like theories. It's like that's when I can .

get bad because you will also anybody can go on facebook and say anything.

Any social media say anything about anybody. So it's like, yeah, then I can compromise the investigation specially when it's an active .

investigation. Yes, exactly. So one november, knight Cherry father, actually, rod rod rights took to facebook to defend his son and lasting. We recognize that in eighty percent of the disappearance cases, the spouse is responsible, but conversely, that means in twenty percent of the cases that the spouse is not involved. This case falls into the latter category.

That's a big thing right there. Yeah, father to be like i'm not even to entertain idea more.

And as evidence of Keith sentience, ence Rodriguez pointed to the fact that Keith had fully co Operated with the enforcement and noted that his oliba checked out he was at work at the time, his boss confirmed that he had been at work at the time, and the police even checked the cell in GPS data recovered from his phone on the day of the disappearance. And that also checked out .

with it's like you've got like a fully like a three pronged wave telling that he has .

not involved exactly, but if he wasn't responsible, who the fuck? Well, now this was obviously the question that the share of office was grappling with once they cleared all of the more likely suspects on their list because I I feel obviously clearing suspects is a good thing. But the more and more you cross people off that list in their alibis are checking out you're losing go from the team like that.

The thing like once you cross people off, it's great because you're saying, cool that husband didn't do IT .

that's and like other people.

it's like, yeah you're narrowing IT down but sometimes they gets too narrow and then it's like nothing left .

yeah like what and where do we go from here? right? So investigators search, this is where they went from here.

They searched to the local database for cases with details that we're matching cheries, but they didn't even find any connections. In fact, they even ruled out non human attackers like mountain lions. Sometimes in that area, mountain lions wander down into town and they can pose a threat to the public.

I get that the fact that they even want that far yeah to narrow that like that's pretty big they .

were doing and they're due to for sure, the sharif said there were no signs of blood or struggle in tracking. Dogs also never picked up the scent of a body IT seemed like Sherry had literally dragged out into that intersection outside of town and just evaporated into the yeah leaving behind only her phone and that up like the ear buddy on the hair as that means that he was there.

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So despite the incredible community wide search ever, in the considerable reward for information which at that point had reach nearly a hundred thousand dollars, three weeks passed with no new leads, no new evidence, nothing. Then, in the early morning hours of november twenty fourth twenty sixteen, a driver on inner state five in your low county spotted what appeared to be a Young woman standing on the side of a rural road trying to flag him down. And this was about one hundred and fifty miles from ridding. Wow, because the driver pulled over and was done to find that the woman who was still bound at their wrists and looked like he had been severely ly beaten, was none other than Sherry opi.

I remember this.

It's so weird. I don't remember this at all, remember? And I was like, out of high school, I literally don't remember this in anyway.

I remember red, and I remember everyone, probably including myself at the time, thinking when I was watching IT, like the husband did IT yeah, I immediately, if you do automatic and like for thinking that but yeah, I was I was a wild news story yeah because when he was found, IT was like, wow and happening and you were like, wow, yeah what is going on is that .

really never happens, like obviously very have you and far between. And then when somebody does get recovered and layer, they still can't find the people that did .

IT and he was, how was her immediately and will obviously get to IT her description of her attackers immediately, I think, went, that's weird, her immediate .

description of her attackers. And then they dig into her past, to her opinion. exactly. Yeah, trigger warning right up here for races.

yeah. So the driver immediately.

obviously called the california highway patrol to report the discovery. Officers were at the scene. Within minutes, they quickly requested back up for what they described as a woman who was, quote and quote, heavily battered.

And he was yeah in his statement to the press, the sharif said, we are very excited to report that Cherry opining has been located and has been reunited with her husband and family on this day of thanksgiving. I'm happy to say that china is now safe and that he has been treated at at an area hospital outside of your account for non life threatening injuries. At the time, the sharif office had little to say in the way of details, telling reporters just that Sherry injuries were non life threatening.

Authorities were now on the look out for a quote, dark coloured SUV with two espana females armed with a handgun. In the days that followed, small details about the case started to emerge via the share f's office. Sherry had been discovered a quote short amount of time after being dropped off by her capture according to the share, but he added, there is sensitive information that is being withheld at this time that i'm not able to put out, and please respect this until such time when we're not able to make an arrest and bring these criminals to justice in cheries abduction.

So there was a lot that they were working on at this point that they were keeping close to the trust. yeah. But by the end of the month, the family had put out a press released detAiling some of the information yet to be released to the media.

In the three weeks since her abduction, Sherry had dropped to eighty seven pounds well and was, quote, covered in multicolor bruises, severe burns, red rashes and chain markings, which sounds bucking horrible. absolutely. And you would never in your mind think that somebody would be able to create those injuries on zero.

yeah. Just like willingly yeah but according to her husband, Keith h. Sherry had, quote, suffered incredibly through intense physical agony and severance tal torture, among other things her hair had been cut off.

SHE had been branded with the word acidities like genuinely bended and he told police that he believed IT was a reference to the bible. And in addition, other injuries, the bridge of her nose had been broken. So SHE like he had any part of her body that was SHE happened, was injured yeah.

And just and also like her hair being cut off. So psychologically, fuck like, yeah, horrifying. In a statement, he said nothing could have prepared me for what I was about to see upon my arrival at the hospital, nor the details of the true hell I was about to hear. The mental prison I was in over the past three weeks was shadow when my questions of my wife's reality became known.

That's like, I can't imagine seeing the person you like, love like that. I'm thinking about what theyve gone through every week.

Think about in the three weeks that cher's been gone. I'm sure all Keith is doing is imagining what happened and where he is and who has her in his mind is proud ly coming up with all these fucked up scenario while trying to be apparent, while trying to still take her with two little kids by these kids were little, and then he walks the hospital and seize her. And IT confirms like something more laws were true. yeah.

So I can't imagine horrific.

So while most people were happy to learn that Cherry had returned home safely, some found her safe return to be a bit suspicious. For one thing, there appeared to be no motive for the abduction to hear the story, a Sherry told IT.

And as that would be repeated by the sheriff and family members, he was abducted by, quote, two hispanic female adults who, quote, spoke spanish the majority of the time of her captivity and concealed their faces in an attempt to hide their identity weeks from her. So according to the chef's office, these were the only known of doctors. But when I came to a motive, the sharif said, we still do not have a motive as to the reason why mp.

Ini was taken. We do not know if he was a specific target or if this was a random abduction because it's like they weren't asking for ransom. They were n asking for ransom. So they just added to the beat the shit out of her for a few weeks and then let rop er on the side of the room .

like why and like not like that, like that. I've not saying that like people aren't bucked and people don't just to do things to do them. We cover cases all the time. More people do things just to do horrible things.

There's a case that i'm in a reference IT here. We're like that very thing, did you? yes. So I think that's also by the police weren't really saying, like, okay, this is impossible .

when they can't, they have to explore every avenue and you're right, they have there's going to be at least a slight precedent to be like, okay, this is possible, right? Is that a little out of the realm of of, you know likely, definitely.

but we got ta look out and we can investigate like I didn't have because again.

what if that is what happened? You don't want to be sitting there being like you're lying, like you don't mean and find out that this is really what happened. The person is traumatized. The police.

in this case, absolutely did. They do like, absolutely. But lack of motive was not the only reason people were suspicious. There was also what many people perceived to a muk hinted at earlier yeah to be an over emphasis on the kidnapper's race in a case surprisingly light on details and evidence and one where the kidnappers wear masks or obscure their identities otherwise there was an unusual focus on their racial characteristics. Through the course of their investigation, reporters discovered multiple blog posts, apparently written by sherrie in two thousand and seven, where SHE could made racist comments about latinos.

among other things.

In one post, SHE wrote, I used to come home in tears because I was getting suspended from school all the time for defending myself against the atos. The chief problem was that I was drug free, White and proud of my blood and heritage. This really worked a group of latino girls which would constantly rag and attack me.

That right there tells you everything, but we say free, White and proud of my blood and heritage that stream a certain group in of people who believe that.

well, she's like to call them out post one to say being White is more than just being aware of my skin, but standing behind skin heads who are always around in spirit as well and having pride for my .

country yeah, if you were wondering whether she's an assets.

there you .

go go yeah.

who the fuck takes to a blog post to write that?

Well in what's very interesting to me is like you were you were so open about how racist you are and then you went and did this and decided to take a step further and it's like their job is a to investigate your past.

They're going to find .

out that you're racist against this group of people. You don't think they're gona question yeah why you might be emphasizing the race of the end women women best because he specifically says this group of of girls you but IT is definitely girls and then IT happens to be two women of that particular group of people that is .

not likely no.

if two women have ducked another, exactly, it's like, could IT happen again? totally? Nobody saying I couldn't, but we do have to put on our like logic cats s here and say this doesn't happen a lot at all, like the president, for this is tiny. And of course, if IT ended up being through, then you go, wow, stick out. That president bucket should will reference that later. But it's like they are looking at this and going um the fact that it's two women and she's already talked about girls like a group of girls that were like being mean to her and that he didn't like and SHE is so proud of being White and shit like come on come on saying you're .

proud to be latest great. I I just have to say that goes to say that's a fucking in saying thing the same.

Now it's weird. Okay, I just be proud to be a good human. Have I ever been .

proud to be a White person?

Like it's, it's, it's weird.

I'm proud of my irish heritage. I'm proud I got a heritage. I'm not proud to be a right.

right. That's that's same thing. That's exactly how I feel. I am super proud of having Scottish charity and irish heritage. I proud of my one point four percent italian heritage, just italian heritage. I like to be like, I am proud to be White. Like, no, he is proud that I have this very interesting heritage that I can look back on you and discover and research and take recipes from like, cool legends and lower to each other to bring to bring like it's just a string. It's a strange thing to like point out and be like I am.

I don't understand, I do not understand also very weird saying that skin head, her always around in speed. Does that mean Sherry? But does .

that mean shary?

I hope not. I'm glad I don't understand Sherry. I don't never want to understand her.

yeah. But anyway, he said. So SHE said all that, and then then her posted recovery. In her view, with the F, B, I, she's continued to seem very focused on the ethnic aspects of her abc's appearance. SHE told one agent, the smaller one had dark curly hair that kind of short and so curly that if he didn't put product in there, IT would probably ly be really frozen.

Wow.

wa Sherry, is that could mean to that arrest sharing? Look out for a girl with freezer .

hair who uses product. So it's not I love that she's literally like IT wasn't crazy, but I bet if you didn't put product in IT would be a fuck. nice. So look out for that girl.

Like what are you talking about? okay? Like cool microgrid SHE also described their clothing, and racily quoted in overtly classes terms saying their quote, Brown shoes looked like, guess knock off swell. And they work with those big hub earrings and had thin, almost drawn in eyebrows. Well, the gear and ashok.

you know how many things we could .

say to describe you? Sherry.

well, that's unlike balls, really. Boy, bold of you. I I won't say shit because i'm not an ash, but i'm thinking .

IT but .

bold of you super duper bold.

That's good, say. Anyway, given the lack of evidence in the overtly racist comments that Cherry had made in the past, some people suggested, hey, maybe this entire kidnapping was a hoax. Deliberately plan to demonize the latino community in north california.

maybe and that's that's the thing here. It's like in situations where it's like somebody has had like you know a mental health break and there's been like some thing that you're like, okay, they perpetuated this idea or something like this and and they went too far like we've had cases like that.

Of course I can point to one right, because I don't ough coffee, but you know where like you can sit there and you can look at IT and go, okay, like I can at least have some sympathy for what this person was going through at some point. Yeah, this case, no, you just can't find sympathy in my heart, one for a racist into, I can't find sympathy in my heart for someone who votes the resources of an entire community. Yes, and traumatizes her own Young family. Yes, for what her .

family like. I can't find something .

that I can husband like. SHE is like he is in my opinion. I think she's an answer. I think this entire thing to traumatize your family and loved ones like this, and again, to suck on the resources of a community that needs, that needs these really fish, I like to take money from people in time, from people in emotional like allowances, from people are like putting them into this whole thing because they care right, and just because they're a good time n community that's so fast, they are an emotional vampires like and like.

we will get there, but is poor if you somehow to know this case, he was like watching the news.

Yeah, was watch .

on her family tradition, like how I could like, even just like I could never look at drew on the elevation like begging me .

to come home and .

be like no and just feel like.

my god, you to another hope you wait up like no and again, if you somehow find sympathy for this person in your heart, that's like totally your a Better person, your projective and you're probably a Better person and like IT, you know that's fine. Yeah everybody allowed to have their own up here. I don't know and i'm not going and you're allowed to get sympathy where you see fit. Yeah exactly.

I have sympathy for the fact that like i'm sure she's very mentally ill and I absolutely have sympathy for like whatever is going on in her mental that's fuck yeah for sure. But it's like when you talk about insanity versus mental illness, I don't think she's insane. I think she's mentally ill. I still think SHE said SHE was doing was wrong and she's very .

SHE literally did all this like partially the demonized an entire community of people. exactly. That's like not mental illness. That's .

just evil. That is where .

I can find the mental of this .

comes in to play with like the injuries like I think to be yeah mentally ill to do what somebody .

did yeah but IT doesn't take away the yeah so te shit that's going on our I completely agree with you, completely agree with I agree with you. You well like good point.

good. Yeah yeah. support. So in response to a everybody saying this was a great hooks, key pop, I told the reporter, both people should be ashamed of their malicious sub human behavior.

We are not going to allow those people to take away our spirit, love and rejoice. And our girl found alive and home where he belongs. I understand why people want the story pictures proof that this was not some sort of hoax planned to gain money or some fabricated raced war. And it's like you understand why he's saying that's disgusting course because I would be disgusting that and he can't them that he did that course. Why would you hope you would hope and pray that the woman that you married and procreated with could not .

be that you .

yeah exactly. They could not be capable of something like this in the share of office was similarly supportive of Sherry in the pipi family at that point, saying we currently have no reason to disbelieve Sherry piani story. SHE was assaulted and had injuries. What she's been treated for.

I think that was the main thing that everybody heard that couldn't them somebody allowing themselves to be hurt that way yeah or are hurting themselves that way?

You're like there's no way branded broken nose hair cut off Bruce beyond if use texture of her yeah SHE like SHE beat the shot out of herself, help beating herself it's crazy it's unable SHE and like SHE wasn't eating so SHE lost weight when I say dropped down to A Y seven towns that you can even picture that no, you think of like your tiny is friend.

They are not that tiny exact is crazy yeah so all those who questioned the legitimacy of cheries claims were far outnumbered by her supporters. Skepticism did continue to grow in the days that followed, particularly as information remained vague and everyone involved was very tight lipped. The investigation then was further hampered by kip pei, who, in an effort to improve the skeptics, released details to the media, sure of persano said, I did not know he was going to release this until a short time before I did A M media interview.

I think with some of the details he is provided, IT could affect the integrity of the investigation. S just not great. Well, because the share, if I had hope to keep the few details that they did know about the dr. Is diet, until they narrowed on a suspect, and they felt that keeps rushed to defend his wife, pretty much compromise their case. If luckily, they'd technically .

have Lucy really.

really anybody. But if they were kind of fucked, yeah but you also understand why he wants to rush to defend. Of course you can see both sides.

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But despite the share of attempts to call the growing interest in debate over the legitimacy of the claims, scepticism about cheries kidnapping just kept growing up in certain ways. Experts on the matter found this to be entirely reasonable, if not expected, given the lack of details in the outrage. Just fuck in strangers of yeah being made, for instance, there aren't that many reasons why an adult would be kidnapped. And if any of them result in the ctr, just letting the person go without .

having achieved some .

kind of objective. Yes, you know you see a case where they just let you go to let you go IT happens but it's but like maybe be hard that to find a home for the cases like that I don't even think that I know about at least um but also Sherry hit said that he was objected by two women, which is an extremely, like I said, rare occurrence.

Former F, B, I agent marianna tool said women don't commit these kinds of crimes because that involves an element of predatory behavior. But those same experts also caution the media to keep an open mind about the case. Oh, tool also told a reporter, I ve had some pretty bizarre, but righteous cases where people look at IT and say, that didn't happen even when I did.

And yeah, absolutely happens all the time. And Kenneth ryan, a professor of criminology yet for no state eco tools sentiment, saying, I know of no other cases like this, but that does not mean it's not legitimate. exactly. Is always president comes from somewhere yes.

So and speaking of president, in addition of a handful of experts who will also cautioned, people are remain open minded, several members of the press were quick to point to the twenty fifteen kidnapping of denise huskins in volatile california. There we're many similarities in the details of the cases, but in the husband's case, her kidnap ber abducted her from a home SHE shared with her boyfriend, held her captive for several days, and then just released her. Yeah, not shocking, which was crazy.

And initially the police concluded that the entire kidnapping was a hoax, and they actually treated her and her man terribly like of its rough to watch. But they then had to retract their statement once evidence conclusively proved that he had, in fact been kidnapped and sexually assaulted by Matthew Miller, a former lawyer suffering from a very serious mental ill ness. At that point, all you should really go to dock series on the case.

It's called american nightmare on netflix, daring, like genuinely terrifying. IT will have you buying a security system immediately. Do you know anything about that case? Yeah fucked. But so to point that that can happen yeah aware there's details that vary with Sherry having been abducted by two women versus like a man who could overpower her.

Well, that's there's like differences here where it's like a man abducted some a woman sexually assaulted her and was also the midst of the night yeah it's like, but this is two women yeah and like then they just like beat the shit out of her and let her go right like, I don't know exactly, you know but the .

other bizarre part of shy story was the surprising sum of money that had actually been offered up in exchange for her safer return, even though the kidnappers never asked for money in addition to the original sum offered as a reward. In the early days of the investigation, an anonymous donor offered a hundred thousand dollars as a reverse ransom for Sherry safe return.

The donor refused to identify themselves and communicated only through an intermediary. Uh, who is Cameron gamble, a local security contractor? But like that was that huge .

that one donor put up that much money.

hundred thousand dollars. Like that's a lot of money. Family, family, lisa jeter said. I mean, who offers five or six figures to find someone they've never met? Yeah yet SHE and others were still convinced of the donors intentions being good.

And as he put IT quote, the hands of god had been put on my heart to find API. So I just like a good as person. yeah. Cameron gamble even went on television to announce the offer of money to the kidnappers.

But as I turned out, the offer was unnecessary because Sherry soon showed up a new low county and no kidnappers ever contacted anyone to set up any kind of money drop or anything like that. Yeah who in their right mind abduct a woman, period. But then abducts a woman, tortures her for a few days and then doesn't collector reverse with some of thousand dollars. Yeah, you would at least think that some kind of money drop would be set up.

or at least attempted. And that's what understand if they were like freak, because there were like, this could clearly be a thing .

to get up to.

not even to not even have any any kind of communication about IT. I don't know that just happened in my mind.

I don't know. By the end of the year, the public was eager for any details on the case, but both the family and law enforced ment officials had nothing more to give. In january twenty seventeen, Cherry sister told a reporter we would just appreciate our time to heal in privacy.

In the share of office also had little to say to the press of the months that followed, other than the standard response, but saying insisted to the public that what the investigation is still ongoing. It's a priority case. We're still being assisted by the FBI in the case.

We're waiting for some evidence to be processed by the california department of justice. Now by the end of twenty seventeen, little had changed, but scepticism surrounding the whole ordeal had grown somewhat stronger or get more and more septics on this. In october twenty seventeen, the shelf department released a sketch of the suspects face sunnies descriptions, as well as a recording of Keith called the nine one one to reporters ary missing.

And they hope that these would generate some kind of new leader evidence. But literally nothing came from them because they rented real, because they were not real people. And the same was true of the surveilLance video released a months later, showing sheering emerged from the woods along the side of I five in your low coy, which also, I want to live in yellow.

I and I know that hilarious.

In late december, law enforced ment officials released a statement to the press saying, we're still reviewing stuff with the case. And then obviously, if appropriate and if it's going to help identify the suspects, then will release more information. But we have no plans for anything to be released in the coming months.

So frustrating as everybody was like, okay, like I guess we just never fucking know what happened here because eventually, one year passed to the next and there was never any additional information, never additional details released about the case, and then the family just receded from the public pot light. But that would make sense. Yeah, you would expect they would want their product, but that didn't stop this speculation.

And of course, the online arguments about the case, with many people now more convinced ed than ever thought the kidnapping had been a hopes because when you're not finding the people, there's no leads whatsoever. None, no motive. Obviously, case has go cold, of course, that anything, but there's no motive. You can't find any suspects. Where's the evidence?

They got that that racist connection and that's the thing wrong. And that was sitting heavy with .

investigators. They were like they really clung onto that brighten lace. If you're not finding these people ah sounds like they're made up and that's when you go back to yeah blog post and you starting in the nerves.

So while supporters in skeptic sparred with one another on social media because that is the way of life, the share of office continued investigating the case. But after repeatedly coming up empty, they actually passed the case to the FBI. And early twenty twenty, by that time, Sherry pop inne had received more than thirty thousand dollars in aid from the california victim's compensation board down. The fact that this as hole collected, and that wasn't the only amount of money that you SHE got money from, go fun me and like, you know, Cherry organza, but this one from the victim's compensation board, thirty thousand dollars, and you just accept that and spend IT you thinking you're entitled to IT.

This is the same person that SAT and watched her family beg for her safer return and still SAT there and let IT all go.

Do you have a conscience? I like people .

that thing i'm like, there is something wrong there that you don't have any kind like that. You were able to perpetuate this for so long. yeah. So .

fortunately, with their superior resources and larger reach, the FBI was able to achieve what the shot a county share of office had. They manage to get to the truth and that's why we're sitting here today .

talking about fb mother fuck.

That's why we're calling Sherry and ash. Don't worry, if you don't know the case.

you will soon find out what an ass. yes. I mean, already there was some pieces of a evidence we've .

given me about you that should be showing, but even more, in the absence of any new evidence, FBI agents turned to Sherry past, and they discovered that he wasn't always the supermom SHE was described as in the wake of her disapearance in an interview with her first husband. You've been married before, SHE married him in two thousand and six so he could qualify for her health insurance. They learned that Cherry had a long history of lying and fabricating stories, and many referred to her as being quote and quote.

attention hungry there IT is the ex has been .

also told investigators that Cherry had quote, fabricated stories about being the victim of abuse. According to another friend from her past, Sherry was, quote, good at creating different realities for people so that they would see what he wanted them to see, which got her really good attention in wall. The kidnap, in case might have seemed like a pretty extreme length to go to in order to get some kind of attention. Many people who knew Sherry and knew her, especially when he was Younger, wouldn't have been surprised, tolerant.

that he had got that far, which is if if people are saying they wouldn't be surprised if you would go this far.

wow. That like wall, when you think of ever like california truly went and people SHE branded her SHE was branded for people to be.

oh my god, you have a history, my friend.

SHE shored us in two thousand and three. SHE ran away from home and filed a police report falsely accusing her own parents of physics determined. And SHE had also said that past boyfriends were violent with her when, like they were not, there was presidence to prior, they were not SHE lied about being a victim of abuse many, many times .

yeah which is that which is fucked out.

So the deeper agent stagg in the sherise history, the more they started to question just how happy this supposed super mama who really was. According to phone record, SHE had been keeping in regular contact with her x boyfriend, sean rays. As recently as twenty and fifteen, and they frequently used phone cards and .

burner phones .

to communicate. And for IT was through an interview with race that the real story of cherise quarter, quote.

kidnapping finally came into focus. This shows you you don't .

know anybody like, you don't know anybody like .

the whole community saw her as the supermom happy wife. Everything, yeah, i'm tell in in the age of social media. You don't know anyone remember that you don't remember .

that are seeing a curated version .

of of that recently on social media were like, things are happening and like, people find this letter or like, oh, this person is not what I thought they were yeah and it's like, you don't know anyone .

people deeply in the sooner .

you realize that and like happy with that boundary being there, the Better this will all be because I think people are putting way too much in the social media.

I think so definitely .

that's my little box i'll get off in.

But according the ray, Sherry called him on november second, twenty sixteen, and asked him if he could come pick her up and if he could save with him for a while. In a statement to the FBI raised cousin confirmed that he had seen chery at raised apartment on at least two occasions. Race told the agents ad Sherry said that what her husband was beating in raping her and he was trying to escape, and that SHE had filed police reports, but the police, we're not doing anything to stop .

her husband's of you, which sounds a horrific.

So of course he was like, yeah, you can come stay with me now while he was there staying with him. SHE concocted that fake kidnapping hoax in order to avoid having to explain where he had been in the entire time. SHE was there.

SHE quote harmed herself to support her false claims. While SHE was there, SHE like, stopped eating. Like, you ate very minimally.

And he was like, all can I make you? Can I make you? SHE a SHE asked him to, like, hit a hockey puck off her face and a hockey .

puck off her leg IT erbe.

That's exactly how they said in the documentary bank, a hockey puck off league. And this guy just like, okay, and I think the way they broke her nose was, I think that hockey stick was involved. I think you right. yeah. And like a closet door, something like that yeah.

Yes, while talk about folly, I do shame. yeah.

So after about three weeks of just staying, they're doing all about wild shit rays had a friend run a car for him and he drove Sherry out to that rural spot on nine five, where he was found. On the morning of november twenty fourth sixteen, a check of the rental cars of dominoes confirmed that the vehicle had travel the distance between raise apartment and the drop off spot. And it's little things. When IT comes down to .

these little things, I always like down, down forensic.

And his story also explained the uni dense fied DNA on cherise clothes when SHE reappeared, which was tested in, later confirmed to belong to Shawn.

wow. So he .

was just having a grand old.

So SHE to be clear SHE bulshed. This entire thing, entire to hang out with a boyfriend. You, an x boyfriend, an x boyfriend. Remember, he has two Young children.

literally two little like Young, Young babes, like tiny, tiny babies. I left to medicare and and continue, I can imagine.

and then watched on T. V. As her husband cried and begged for her safe return. Her family, her parents and her friends, everybody that watch the community go to all these length, watch the cops talk about how much resources they were putting into IT, watch that dollar amount go up and up and up of people donating out of the .

goodness of their heart and somehow, like fed off of that yeah like that wasn't like.

fuck what i've I done but what you should take from this is not, well, people are the bigger should have in the entire world. No one person is the biggest IT had in the entire world. But look at the other side of other, an entire fucking community of people.

Yeah, showed everybody what humanity is. Yeah like that's the thing to take from this is and they all said we do IT again. Yeah, like we thought someone was missing.

We thought one of was missing unity. That's our community. It's like that take that away from IT that like most people in the world are going to that. Yes, like these are the ones that you just suss out and you say, fuck off and .

and you said there you wonder how people are even capable of existing. Yeah, like Sherry peppi.

Like the toxic waste. Mp, that must be her soul. Yeah, like talk about a trashed soul like IT SHE is a rushed soul SHE scares me .

ah what scares me as I also feel like I like no .

people like her yeah and she's not happy. Nobody who does this kind of should is a happy like nobody who's an addict, other people, and like taking up other people's time, like ruining people's days.

doing whatever is a happy person.

though they're always miserable. So in August.

twenty twenty agents interviewed Cherry again and laid out the evidence that they discovered and warned her at the top of the interview that IT was a crime to lie to the FBI really cares your time. However, Sherry quote did not retract her kidnapping story and instead continued to make false statements about her proportional cors and denied her x boyfriends involvement. They they SAT there, and they said, we tested the male DNA that they found on you IT shows and SHE SAT there and acted, said, john would never do that to me. I can be .

him and like, literally started to cry like he was just .

having a revelation about like, oh.

my god. And he had .

staying with talking, you guys got to a go watch the center because they're so deeply disturbing. And I feel so bad because her husband is with her when they can try. And if anybody ever thought that he was involved in IT, seeing his reaction, when they tell, when they tell, never coming out, hello, yeah, he is blind sighted and is sad that yeah, I really sad, but unfortunate.

Oh, and then another thing, and if you watch the documentary on who u, you'll see IT SHE had a perfectly described where he was being contained. And IT was this very specific closet that he kept talking about. And when they went to her boyfriends at her x boyfriend's house, he had that exact closet, and they were like, nobody else would have had the closet. IT was like, very specifically made, like there was something like pipes and wires and such like places. They were like, what are the fucking odds that that's the .

exact closet system in the fact that he described his closet? Even make something you like about everything else? Why you giving the exact like.

i'm glad that you did to hear. And also, and this is the scary thing about Sherry pipi SHE saw there in that interview room when they said we ran the DNA testing and IT matches your explain friend Shawn res. And SHE said, no, no, no, I can be him.

You have, you have to check IT again. There's no way I could be him. yeah. He thought that he could get the upper hand there and convince them otherwise. On DNA, SHE wanted .

them to rerun. That's like saying, can you crunch those .

numbers again?

No, it's D, N, A, A person that's involved. We didn't cranch the numbers wrong a fucking like what this is forensic expert.

this is DNA. So this is .

dioxide bo nucleic acid. You're not gonna a out of here like it's just the .

fact that he thought, but he is that diabetic that he was like little of this a show .

she's gone her whole life manipulating and I think he was like, well, this is my magna and I can definitely keep this going. I just have to try harder and it's like, no way, no way. DNA is not like you cannot manipulate DNA not that happen no. And we .

got the fucking in. They even found a if, again, if you watched the document, you'll find this out. He had saved to her pen test board, would like woodburning to, oh my god, yes, you're right. Would SHE then used to brand herself with the word exists. SHE had saved those to her fucking .

pinned rest board the speech pint interested her own kidnapping, literally. That's a level of diamonds. And also just a really like the luu that you can even comprehend in the .

mali fucking .

for to plan your own .

branding .

the most.

hello? Yeah, hello is right. No, actually, goober. E goodbye, Sherry, good bye. But not goodby yet. So unfortunately, the onset of the cover nineteen panna mic really, really hampered agencies aggressively pursue this case on a really fucked up。 Yeah, but don't worry, we got there in early march twenty twenty two.

They were able to get a warrant for she's arrest based on the evidence and statements from her boyfriend shown raised there, her x boyfriend. Thank good, good. In addition to be in charged with lying to the F, P, I, Sherry was also charged with male fraud stemming from her receipt of more than thirty thousand dollars in victim assistance money from state agencies, which Carried a combine sentence of up to twenty five years in prison.

If he were to be convicted, dam, and he should have got that on march third, twenty twenty two sacramental FBI agents were staked outside of sharing neighbor od, hoping that they may be able to stop her when he drove, like, maybe going on some kind of iron without the kids, they were really hoping to not get, yeah, they really were trying to avoid that. And they thought that they had her when SHE peeled out of neighborhood and SHE started toward downtown reading. But then they realized that the kids were with her, and they were headed to some kind of music class like he was dropping them off.

So once they were sure that they, they, they had to redo their plant really quickly. So once they were sure that Sherry was inside the building, they sent an agent in to tell her that somebody had had her car outside, oh yes. Hoping they could get her outside without alerting the so SHE like lost her shit and ran out. And unfortunately, when he ran out, her kids followed her because SHE had made such a scene, dreamed about IT. So they, her, they witnessed the arrest take place, which is really sad.

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SHE screamed no and actually tried to run away from the agents, which I was like, where did you think you were going? One thing has itself confidence. He believes in herself and yeah, in abundance. Like where you go, where you where you .

going to hide in the piana whole world knows who you like, where you go.

literally the entire world. Luckily, he was quickly subdued in hand cut before being put in the back of the agents car. And luckily also the kid's P, N, O teacher stayed with them and called keh to let them know what him know, what was going on like, hey, you have to come get the kids, break the Cherry. A few days later, the family released a statement expressing outrage over the way in which the arrest was handled, saying, we love Sherry in our, appalled by the way in which law enforcement ambushed her on thursday after the afternoon in a dramatic, unnecessary manner in front of her children.

I can understand.

I can do.

That's their children. And I think that's that families.

I won't be really upset if I kid that I love slowly so I can fully understand that. And they also didn't know that there was a completely different plan and that I just didn't work out yeah so i'm sure really they did this yeah and i'm sure knowing that like real actively, they're probably thankful that I just tried to .

totally understand why same .

pst hundred percent yeah like outside of the kids be a class that's yes, that really does suck. But the news of here is arrest shocked friends and family and those around the country who are following the story. But not everyone was surprised. A lot of people are shocked, but most, there was a lot of good of people who not .

like the reading local.

Tim scarboro said there was so much that question, the validity of a story. I didn't believe IT for a moment. He had actually covered Cherry story on his blog, but in the week wake of her mysterious return, he started to get suspicious of the inconsistencies in the various aspects that didn't make sense and his public scepticism. Actually, he got a considerable backlash from people here to the extent he received like thread .

by what I mean, because it's it's hard. It's like you're publicly being suspicious of something that could go the other way and it's like that can be obviously that would be awful that if you were saying like this is a hook and then IT turns out it's not and that keeps the people and know he went through this right exact I think up. It's never okay to threaten violence against .

someone you can disagree. To get people .

who do that .

is gree with. Normalize disagreements without its cool ool.

If you don't agree that fine to the .

way of the world that be threatening everyone.

My god.

going to do .

everything so angry we.

Was SHE saying after that yeah, it's today.

Oh yeah, yeah, you're being too. Lw, dam, so .

love to say .

dame, it's seven, eight, eight .

through the swifts are going crazy, right? Yes, I love, love that thought it's great. I like funny. So other community members were outraged by the racist undertones of shy story. Our sly guti a is a business consultant who were pretty Sally.

R.

Sally is really pretty. I actually, I looked IT up. I think that means something I really like, mean something, but IT means something pretty.

Oh, pretty sure. You know, well, you look at up there was this action and I I members true life on mtv. IT was likes, where is that? I miss you life so much.

There was that I respect my sect. Yes, saying or no, IT was, i'm a witch. I thought I was I was like, i'm a way to respect my sec.

One of them yeah and I was that had that vampire. T that was in the other one yeah, in IT again, I think they were in at least two yeah, I think you're right. And a because I think was like, I am a vampire or something through life and a vampire or something. There was a girl named air cell r Sally. I think IT was was a witch, but also was like a as well.

So you're right. I remember that I chose him to like, such as like a sweet human.

I just like putting, I remember hearing her name and I was like, oh, that's a beautiful name.

It's beautiful and a beautiful meaning. IT means alter of the sky or alter of heaven. I love that. And IT comes from the later lattin words ora, meaning alter and selling in sky.

Oh, that's beautiful. It's just like fear as soon as you hear. And it's just like, oh, feels really winds ago. And yeah, certain names like words, just like when they come out, you feel like they like they. That's lazy like because I can see IT oh like I just feel like twinkle .

england like wolter fingers and I said twinkled the same time that was also .

that's so your name is ara Sally.

your name twinkle, your name twinkle shaban about that was crazy. That's going to happening a lot.

Yeah, go crazy.

No, just don't go away. But our sleut AR SHE was a business consultation and SHE works with volta o community. And in california, SHE said, saying these two is spanning women, kiddos or and all the lives that came out of the story is just too much. And absolutely. And you think, like there is a huge population and you problem.

you fucked up their business. Well, oh, you put out the shit. And now all these people are probably being victimized .

because of your racist lot. They absolutely were. There was like an uptick in.

throw some violence against the tina, tina run businesses. Women, latino loves run businesses. There they are, the ones suffering from for your bulch.

That's why he wanted .

to do that makes me so man SHE literally like that was part of IT. IT was so far reaching the bull that he committed IT really was and .

given the timeline in the toner around the country, guterres told reporters that painting story just gave a lot of people reason to believe in trump, retorted IT. really? So division .

and that's like nobody should be .

sowing division though.

especially time. Like come on like it's just unity, my friend, and we're all people. It's just try to get IT again.

It's just try to do the best week. I don't fuck up other people's businesses, jock up other people. People's businesses don't Prices also make supports small business business lift up communities that are like, you know.

oppressed yeah come on, get the year to do that.

And how much we've seen in history what happens when your I to marginalize communities and so .

discord like .

why do we just continue to and it's also just kind like.

I know just like guys stop in dick I feel people listen to this show are beautiful soul so they're like i'm not being yeah tell everybody that that be addict don't like you trash your own soul yeah I you ash IT it's too the wave dump travel you want twinkle like silly yeah you're got to bring .

this sold next time it's to be the cleaning should like .

old do you get the more you realize that is just like .

dam I was said that everybody need to show like you approaching the old age of thirty and I just I am realizing time is limited. No, it's true. And i'm not trying to do fuck shit with the time that I have here.

And you get, you know, get more with honey. Yes, true exactly. Honey is a career.

I love how that takes good and SHE last like so long. There you go. Anyways, honey, we're really more bit .

in the money in the morning, and I .

haven't had any coffee. According to the FBI afa David and share, he's emphasis on her supposed kidnapper's ethnicity LED two quote, years of tips from running and the surrounding communities about suspicious looking with hispanic women and that's fucked in tragic yeah the people about where just stereotype yeah and in leg harassed yeah and turned into a villain yeah when they're other members of the community were simply just fuck in, angry that they'd been duped into expanding an enormous number of resources on a woman who had never been in any real danger. Family friend jane, that can said SHE had us essentially on a witch hunt. There were numerous post on local social media group pages of sightings of women who looked like the suspects or similar vehicle descriptions had a lot of women on edge.

And that's the thing. It's like, so SHE really didn't care because people get Willy in these situations. And it's like SHE didn't give a shit. These if innocent women that happened to match that .

description, a simple car likes .

people can go vigano on. People like this happened. It's like, obviously don't want to happen and but like but people do IT and especially when there's like really big uproar and something like you're being portrayed as this, like blond, a super mom housewife that like just got snatched up by these evil humanity and it's like, so people are going to go crazy and it's like and you just didn't care if innocent women were attacked on your .

behalf because she's just doesn't care SHE part that's why would be a boy that two hospice women to the start that's really mind boling eked and it's like you said SHE specifically said women.

women because he had had a had claim SHE had had a problem with girls in the path.

All i'm thinking because he was like, because I was drug free and proud to be White. I like, I would really be proud to be White, but also like, cause you are drug for i'm not like I have never witnessed in an act of bullying where some girls are angry because some girl is dry White.

Well, you know what that was? That was another. That was hurt in another stereotype that's like she's putting all the all the racist right into .

one little .

little sentence .

tiy blocks like me, i'm direct free, but they couldn't be. Others in writing echo the sentiment reading a resident iran, freda told a reporter, I was worried about her kids. IT seemed like such a kick in the teeth of a community that didn't deserve to be treated like that.

He stabbed our community in the back with every step shy took. Yes, boom. I think that put IT perfectly. yeah. But unfortunately, if anybody was waiting for any kind of reasonable explanation for sharing behavior and lies, they were sorely disappointed.

In a statement to the press, sher's lawyer, really important, nova said his client had a quote, complicated mental health situation also, but one that has to be confronted in, dealt with in that includes admission in acceptance in punishment. As far as why he did what he did, port nova did not have that answer. He said, honestly, I don't know if anybody does, I don't know if he.

even he knows. And honestly, whatever explanation SHE would give, I don't want hear that anyway, is valid to be uses for, yeah, peace, poor behavior. The only excuse you, you would have this, I am devoid of humanity that I would literally be the only explanation that I like.

Thank you. I thank you for telling because like, that's really IT. I'm devoid of anything good sorry.

sorry for that. Yeah like that would .

be the only I do like okay.

that's full ownership but there ah well shouldn't do that. Whether he could explain herself self or not. Share knew that there was no point in Carrying on her protest because still SHE was like, no, this really happened. no. But in early April twenty, twenty two, SHE did degree to pleaded guilty and SHE provided a documented confession in exchange for reduce sentence, which I wish was never on the table.

The fact that he wouldn't confronted with all that evidence SHE still dell wouldn't admit IT until .

he got something out of IT. Dell, wow. yeah. In a statement released through her atterley, SHE said, I am deeply ashamed of myself for my behavior and so sorry for the pain i've caused.

My family, friends and all the good people who need lesser suffered because of my story, and those who work so hard to try to help me. I will work the rest of my life to make a mense for what I have done. Gone to help you. Do you know what I didn't hear in there a direct apology to the latino community. You literally victimized that.

Yeah, i'm sorry to his panic. Woman SHE said, completely demonizing you.

He said, i'm starting to my family, my friends and good people. Yeah, who the fuck are you to determine is a good person? How would you say sorry to the community that you completely victim? Yes, for years, years, years.

I got the fuck is wrong with you yeah. But her her agreement with the prosecutor's office, Sherry pini, was sentenced to remember, he was facing twenty five years. I never remember watching this and being like, are you fucking in SHE was sent in to eighteen months in prison.

To me that is a travesty. IT is a try, really is. And that was to be followed by a thirty six months period of supervised probation and in order to pay back the three hundred and nine thousand, nine hundred and two dollars and restitution that what he received in total from Michael n. Me and victims compensation board while he was incarcerated, Keith pini filed for a divorce and the court granted him full custody of their children. There is a very interesting admission that Keith makes about watery may have mayor, may not have done with their children.

We have watch the documentation.

I don't want to get too much into and here because it's just a it's a detail that I can be confirming to I yeah as far as we know but it's interesting but it's what he says and i'm unhappy that he is full custody but definitely watched the perfect wife on hulu. But in August of twenty twenty three, Sherry was released from prison and SHE transition to a half of live house. As of march of twenty twenty four he has got to pay any of her fine, which with penalties is now nearly three hundred and fifty thousand dollars what.

And I love that .

she's just an apple from start to finish not even pay in her fucking and retribution yeah a restitution whatever IT .

is like he says, i'm going to work the west of my life to make a mends and it's like I only yeah I hope you do. I do hope you do. I hope you work until be your last breath to make a mends. I hope that isn't render .

you immediately get and not not paying back of the money.

It's fucked up because it's like now you look back on and you like, fuck, that's insein. What a crazy story and it's like, well, this was all going on the pain and suffering and grief and stress that you cause for several parts of her life and trauma and community like trauma for her family so so you and it's you look back on and now and can at least you can be like wild I was fucked up, but during and it's like dam like the trauma you inflicted it's for and about forty different .

directions and especially is especially on your kids that's the thing and it's like.

lady, if you wanted to disappear, right? A note and disappear and then he can file for divorce, seeking gain custody of the kids. If you want to, you want to leave your whole life behind, go right ahead.

It's just the the, the luu that he thought he was going to just to have the perfect goner, let the perfect disappearance and never get caught. Yeah, I just turned out how he returned and looked in her kids eyes every day.

Well, why do you come back?

Oh, because he had he wanted the attention on and all of the like how you .

didn't think that was going to come out like it's just and .

they they were having trouble in their marriage definite. Like obviously he was still talking to her x point and they weren't happy. And I think SHE saw this as her because kaethi v and says in the documentary, SHE would bring IT up daily like everything at her or or deal that he had gone through and SHE would make him feel bad that he didn't save her.

Oh yeah, like you would literally .

be like you didn't say didn't and I have .

to live with that. I have to live the .

fact you didn't find me so much like he had the other in the age.

Wow, like your the s meter is a broke .

the logical experiment.

Because of that, he did all the things, yes, we just talked about, and then had the fucking dacy to look at her husband, which he tortured and psychologically for a week. Yep, and say, well, I have to live with the fact that you didn't find me because you didn't want to be found like, should you? You went to great length.

Not sure you found .

like dim. Meanwhile, you watch them big for your return search. Do all the things while taking care of your children .

and still you're onna make him feel like the ship head yep, you are the ultimate shaheed and I think IT was also that SHE could come back and have him do upon her and like like, I think he thought he was going to realize what he lost. Yeah, that didn't quite work.

Just the case is, man, man, glad they are. Yeah, because if I was still hanging out in the air, like, is that a hok? Is that .

would be making? I found another. I can think of the name of the case right now, but I found in another hoaxes that I wanted cover, yeah, I find them fast. I find them disgusting and horrific, and I find them fast that somebody can go to those links and just have, no, not a care in the world for what they're doing.

Everybody that's that's the real thing that gets you is they don't care how it's affecting everyone that they supposedly seem to care.

But that is void of olympia of all .

up and to take IT so far crazy .

but crazy case. I definitely wanted cover some more like these. I do like cases where people don't die like, you know, yeah, that's nice.

That's pretty nice. A nice break to have. I mean, it's horrifying, still horrifying, but in a completely different way.

Yeah, I think i'm probably gonna take IT back to A A dark place.

Yeah.

a dark, I should say.

Oh, what do you have cooking in the kitchen?

I guess we'll have to see .

more weight and find out that was so ominous. I do I still so thick and good the season for life. I love IT. I'm like, merry Christmas.

I be hard to go, everyone.

and like, still spooky. So spooking well to all our spooky listen is out there to all our november first girls and guys and these in them. We hope you have a wonderful day and we hope .

you keep listening and we hope you keep but not .

aware that you go and you develop in an entire hooks. Could nothing story .

of just .

be a good that .

I talked in a listeners because yeah.

IT is there will be .

in another one.

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