Episode 613: Latoya Ammons and the Demon house
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This is more but .

it's more a house in place.

It's all different .

reMarks remix for good mix.

We have some construction happening in my house, so luckily we have a second recording location. Yes.

I need to work on. It's like a little more sound proof but all the sound proofing things that I found I don't like like there I don't like the esthetic esthetics so I going to work on IT yeah just going to get some like books shows yeah and there is actually going to be some construction going on at my house and like november. So they're done .

switching back over the other all the construction.

mutual construction guys, still spooky season. It's still spooky season. We went to our first hunting house of the season. It's always really pants.

I am a wearing my bear, its so I pants they're .

really there are so happy, but it's an abington, it's an abington, right? I think so yes, yeah, it's behind navin in your house. IT is top not the best tonet house on the planet I believe .

in really they do. They take the shit down every year and rebuild IT to completely new yeah and they do bucking phenomenal job this year.

The theme is game play and there's all these rooms like like little like gaming.

And yeah, it's super. It's just so well done this.

And I think they spend like month set together, you can tell yeah .

and all the actor is like the makeup they do. It's all leg top. The process is just really impressive. So if you're looking for on the house in the new england area, that's your that's your ice man.

You gotta yeah we're going to do a couple more. Yeah, you were a little laxities sco this this year.

We well, we got like the book tour have no and now we're going to make up for IT only a couple more .

weekends. I know we have I guess we have three technically. Yeah, we never go on halloween weekend.

Yeah, we really don't. I really, it's too crazy. But maybe we will this year, maybe we will do 道 if we really gonna go。

Yeah, I also went to a cat show this weekend. You sure did. I took the kids? Yeah, I, me, my cousin drew and all the kids, I was like, glad to go to a fucking catch. yeah.

And I fought every single urge within my body to not bring home another cat because, I mean, look, if you have four cats go off, I could go. I can't live a for cat life and through IT and my cats will not live a for cat life. And Franklin would just eat another at you brought one home, but they had those those like Scottish, like smoothly.

those are so you yeah .

they have a lot of health problems.

They're like an in dog.

Yeah I think they're like interpreted. So they're like like it's actually it's not like there's super cute, but it's not. But I like how I want to save you.

I know I exactly waiting for .

you to pick that up. I just scream in the cat face.

It's really .

with something corporate .

song to do that because then .

that I do that por one out of three scotish cats and singing your own cats face. I think there's something corporate and IT. Actually, I just saw that our friend conner posted and said we did that. We love corner.

I said you did fuck and do IT you fuck?

Yeah, you made our lives well. Yeah, I know what you need to like. There's things to be done still. Yeah, this work that we've done, there's work to be done.

There's guess to be had and guess .

to be booked.

but we don't want to tell you, no, shut up. No, shut up.

Imagine if I was serious, that would be so sad. I ouldn't never tell you to shut up. I actually don't like the free. Shut up. You don't rude. No.

because I give her my eyes first. Second, it's.

we're all alive and we're drinking ice coffee. I made us it's actually really funny to see you drinking coffee out of an amazing jar. It's not you esthetically.

There's missing jars are kind of my vibe. Now I like, this is good ice coffee. Oh, you're welcome. Oh, you're welcome. I do.

I do make up pretty good ice coffee because then I realized this morning that little, really all of my creamer was expired. That's true. Luckily, I didn't realized in the bad way.

I don't check those states. And I checked, and I three out, four you in the track yeah, I know. Well, I think it's still spooky. sea. Never, never, never really know for sure these published.

We're never gonna what yeah. Sometimes, sometimes we look at my kids, say, what what day is coming, where?

What day is?

What's going on? Where are my hello? But no, someday will know.

Well, hopefully it's still spooky, because I put a spooky case, hopefully in spooky me. And dave for davia worked on this video. O, exactly. This is lita amens and the dome house.

the house. This is.

if IT starts to sounds of familiar to you at all, this is the case that a movie the deliverance was based off of, it's going close. yes. Yeah, that one thing that about right now and if you're not thinking about IT, go google IT. If you're not thinking about IT, you you can't have the internet yeah but you you don't have the internet.

You don't have but yeah so we all started in january twenty fourteen, one a strange article appeared in the indian apple is star about the toa ams in indian, a single mother, three, who claimed that for more than year SHE and her kids were absolutely besides by demons in their rented house. SHE claimed, among other things, that the house was constantly infested with black flies. So right off about your haunted oh yeah.

But the kids were levitated from their beds or her nine year old son became possessed and walked up a all backward, oh my, which, like you might say, that silly, that didn't happen. Multiple people saw this happen that we're like, I don't know how to explain what happened and we'll get to that point. And I was just the beginning, by the end of just one year in this house, family claims that they were terrorized by all minor of supernatural assaults, from ghostly Operations to straight up demon ic entities. Oh my. Yep, things were popped .

off at Rachel Davis in here.

Rachel, Rachel, we need you. Rachel could not clear the show up in a one hundred percent in a minute. Yeah, that's our girl. That's our girl, Rachel. So her story might have gone completely unnoticed if IT wasn't for the surprising number of witnesses that actually saw these things.

That's what what takes this apart .

yeah like family, friends, police officer, social workers are going to reminded me of the house flying objects. Because like people, we're like people that you wouldn't expect to sign off on. We're signing signing off.

But still, litta obviously wasn't without skeptics and critics. People accused her of fabricating the story to get out of her lease, and others just assumed that he might have been straight up. solution. Yeah, but who knows what the explanation was for the cause of events? Either way, probably one of the most terrifying paraNormal .

experiences i've ever read of. Yeah.

go get into IT. So november two thousand eleven, the toy ams, her mother rose, a cambell and luti, a three children, thirteen year old meat, twelve year old genti and seven year old andry moved into their new rental house on this quiet the tree line residential street and gary in inDiana.

And that wasn't their real names.

No, i'm actually using the names from the movie based on the case, the delivery insurer ed to saying, because the kid's named aren't public. Yeah, but I would have got my earth super confusing if I was like, child a, child b, child c yeah if they're not public at like so I say, yeah movie movie but so the thing was things hadn't really been like easy for illaha in recent years.

He was struggling to keep the kids on track in school, but in, among other things. But the new house was an opportunity to kind of start fresh, and her main goal was to make good use of that opportunity. We got a new space for in a new area like let's go fresh start. Unfortunately, things did not work out that way in any way they perform. Problems is with the house started almost immediate, and IT was early december when they started noticing swarms of these large black flies just gathering in them, the screened in porch, which was unusual because house flies can survive freezing .

temperatures. Seems like amy, well.

yeah, exactly, but real. yeah. And rosa remember thinking, this is not Normal. We kill them and kill them and kill them but they just kept coming back ah which is so gross yeah and then other strange experiences followed pretty quickly the weekend so after they noticed the flies which ian rosa started hearing just inexplicable able noises in the house, always after midnight, well after the kids had gone to bed, and IT sounded like someone with heavy footsteps was walking up the stairs from the basement into the kitchen of that.

which is what we heard our whole with my parent. You always heard and IT sounded like water boots, steps and and sometimes IT was like.

I would hear in the basement, like, I like late at night. But then sometimes you would, your footsteps unlike the mainstay. yeah.

And you go over there. And nothing was there.

Literally nothing. I wouldn't even go over there. I was like, way too scared. But yet they were like, as somebody breaking in the house, yes, because they would literally hear the door open and close, but they would come out of their bedrooms to investigate. Like your brave, there was no sign of anybody in the basement or the kitchen but they did notice that when they would turn the kitchen light on to get a Better look, IT would flicker, making a crackling sound for a time and then stop um which is like so greedy a tora movie shot literally a few days later. They both decided that they were gone to leave their bedroom doors open in the hope that they might catch a glimpse of whoever was climbing the stairs because they kept hearing at night after night so one night a little after three of course of course, rosa was broken by the sound of footsteps, just like all the previous slides. And when SHE looked down into the living room, SHE saw the shadow figure of a man just pacing back and forth.

No, yeah, no yeah. Just get, get rid of the whole house. Burn IT down.

Burn IT on the ground. Yeah, so the next morning he went out to investigate, and he went with lotus, and they found, quote, what looked like muddy footprints from a boot.

I would assume someone broke my help.

That's what they thought. Yeah, the one hundred percent thought that I like completely concerned that someone might be breaking in. They ended up putting a lock on the basement door, but on subsequent ent nights, they would hear the footsteps climbing at the stairs.

They would also hear pounding on the door as if whatever IT was was trying to get in the kitchen. what? Yeah, I literally have to I talking .

about being on the door like no.

in the middle of the fuck night. So they're like dealing with all this notorious, trying to keep the kids on track and school. And she's also trying to keep these incidents from the kids because shit out.

Yeah, they are Young. But the speed at which things escalated made IT impossible to hide the fact that something was obviously wrong with this house. One, about a month after moving in, shanty, got home from school, and he went to put her things in her bedroom.

But when he tried to open her bedroom door IT wouldn't open, SHE said. I was like, as if somebody was holding IT shut from the other side. Oh, no. So after several tries to, is the door IT finally popped open and there was nobody in the room. What like SHE probably assumed that was one of her Younger siblings.

Like fucking with yeah and then no ones in there you're like.

you're like, hello hello in .

my parents, how we have been like, oh, the door just world yeah exactly with .

the amount of times we blamed you on the swelling doors. Swelling doors are creaking or settling fine in the middle of winter. We're like, so it's the doors.

They're still there just but the family also noticed that there were indications of a problem seemingly all over the house. I wasn't just the basement, the kitchen, just like one, but everywhere, their cell phones often failed to work despite full service. The picture on the television was constantly getting interrupted, and the toy and rosa had constant mechanical problems with their cars and the sticks to adjust. The inaction blinds always .

seem to way back and from their own for .

a little toa. The most disturbing the experience was learning the extent of what the children had experiences in the house, because she's trying to keep this from, yeah, just like rosa had seen shadow fight, that shadow figure in the living room. The kids also saw what they believed to be Better to the house.

Both boys, this is one of the serious things you'll ever hear in your life. So buckle up at her coh god. Both of the boys reported seeing an elderly lady in the backyard who they described as looking like, quote, walking death with red eyes.

I got that feeling that like, we're just like blooms out, the chills from within new yo like the children came from the center .

of my stomach and a warm .

yeah that but I didn't even feel like a warm because to me that feels more warm OK was up IT .

was cold and yeah I don't like that at all. I think i'm assuming that's probably what like who gland closes .

great look a picture her character yes I think ah and the Youngest Andrew would spend a lot of time .

with what he said was a boy his own who he would like play and talk with and according to Andrew and need, the boy would typically appear .

in their clause yeah yeah.

just a long time. You just like you .

look when i've goes, appears in the closet. A uh they have bad intention of no one. I'm not appearing in someone's cause that the afterlife, unless I want to fuck their world up. You know.

who appeared in front of the closet for me in my life? SHE did and have a body. SHE was just made a body.

and I can still see .

her in my mind.

Here's the thing, i'm orrible ed, that you witness that as a child IT hurts my soul. It's a cool story that would kill to have the image in my head that you have.

I went to school when I am not an artist, so maybe I could have to shan the mostly horror, oh, god.

describe her vast detail.

Yes, I think I just see her draw. I'm in a text after this yeah.

shown if you're listening.

john, we're cover SHE had they caught in Candy hair? IT was like White, but I was like, that texture. I was scary. You.

you gotta write this down. I don't know. I'm in a place of you right now, but you need, are you being kay? You need, I know, right? You need to write all these details down so he can make this, because we all need to see the the actual vision of this woman is so funny.

because I have so many memories of, like, nightmares from when I was little, that when I was little, I didn't think, or night, like, I thought that they were real.

And then like, were they real? They probably were.

I have a lot of them. Like.

that's scare. Yeah.

he is. But then i'm also like like the trauma ua, I was going to say is IT terramar is a tramp or X I know for a fact that he didn't body SHE was just made a bones she's SHE was a real oh.

you said that from the time you were little yeah like that was that .

was that never changed? I drive by that building and I look up at the window and i'm like, nearly she's up there and I .

guarantee .

you interview if a fucking and kid lived in that they'll see you .

shouldn't even know everybody .

made definitely yeah hundred percent but that's that .

i'm like a kid is showing up and showing up in someone s cause that means you mean business yeah because if i'm in the afterlife, i'm showing up. There are some people in my pocket right now that I will show up in their closet. Oh.

and they will be me to try to fund their own world up. absolutely. So I wonder, call that works, like how do you decide?

Like do you get design in for the day you like today, I will be showing up in .

this person's caused cover. It's like when they're all like to see if everyone taking out.

I think it's something like that.

I think so there's .

an office for sure and who i'm gon scary.

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Oh no, they were experiences. This is like, so sad. They were experiencing regular bouts, vomiting, fever, diary, things that kept them from going to school.

oh no.

Later, what I also reported that SHE would discover a blood on their pillow cases frequently. Then he believed that was coming from their mouth. Oh my god. yeah. Like something was up.

All this is so upsetting and just like.

so I really knows I believe in this one like the we kind of debunk the empty view yeah there like it's been a bunk so we talked about IT this one. I believe this is scary. It's scary. And just the sheer number of people who witnessed m like the things that .

was saying that's what's really taking me for a right yes, like that this is you know like the house of flying objects where it's like there's one person in the room away yeah like you know you can at least somewhat be like maybe it's a mixture things or I could just be one thing in the other who is this? Seems like other people that are in higher positions that would go in as skeptic because they have the best interest of like the children in every are seemingly witnessing this like you're saying, yeah except social workers and my police officers yeah so that's just .

like literally writing things in their reports of yeah, this is inexplicable that's scary yeah that is and then rose, her health started like a noticeable decline. SHE had three different kidding elements that struggle one right after the other. I'd like living in this house up until that point, like before then he had been fine. And then he moves in to this house and he .

started having all these kidneys. Dinesh is bad. yeah.

Whatever was happening in the house had already taken a serious toll on everybody's physical and emotional health, but things just continued to get worse than most. On march tenth, twenty twelve, the family was all up with unto the early hours of the morning. They spent the day morning the loss of a close family friend, unfortunately, and from the living room, rosa heard leti screaming, mam, mama. So SHE went running to her daughters bedroom, where SHE witnessed twelve old jane levitating several feet above her bed, completely unconscious.

What the fuck? SHE said, I thought.

what's going on? Why is this happening? And SHE immediately grabbed her bible, and the family surrounded jane, praying over her, until SHE descended back onto the surface of the bed.

what? Moment later, SHE woke up with no memory of what had happened. He had no idea that that had just all happened. And people are like praying loudly around her. And SHE didn't work until SHE like hit the bed.

And then I woke up a little bit after, according to the the toy, the guess who were staying at the house that night left and refused to ever come back after the inc. So other people saw this. And I like and like, i'm literally never stopping foot in that house.

IT turned out that the levitation incident was just the beginning of the physical tormance that the family was about to enter. That weekend, chantay was sitting on the coach in the living room and he felt something, grab her and yank her off the coach, the rowing her to the floor. A few hours later of that same day, one of the boys was in the bathroom when he claimed something, grabs him and jerked him to the floor. And this is like awful, but pulling on his limbs and genitals, what the fuck? Yeah like demand.

demand.

According to rosen leta, when they entered the bathroom, after hearing the screams, they could see something pushing outward from the inside of his stomach.

what? This is fucked up in every way.

Imagine it's unreal, holy shit. And then a few hours later, so again, the same day shanti was targeted again. This time he was lifted off the ground and thrown into the refrigeration. My god, insane IT turned out that whatever I know, poor parents, like just, just everybody, went to their kids. And it's sadly, and this is not a family that can .

just pack up and go to a an people that's the thing like to just like, oh, well, fuck that, I guess we just go right, pay this rent and also pay for something else exactly.

And this is a bigger family too. This is five people. That's a lot. They turned out whatever was harming rosel atta, and the children also wasn't limiting IT to just to the family.

Later, after family and friends left the memorial that they had at the house, several of them reported that something could followed them home, giving them a heavy feeling or headache. That took a couple weeks to finally decide. And this is multiple people who said this, and we'll get there in a little bit. But a police officer also claimed to this slowly. Should yeah.

it's interesting. Again, this isn't just this family being like, oh yeah, no here all this should is happening and you're like.

yes, no people were i'm over in section be like i'm never going back to that house and then they'd .

go and .

have their own ships but crazy that's terrifying. So we've got to the point where no one wanted to come over and a lot of people we're even down to like associate too closely with the family because they were scared. Yeah so well, the toy and the kids had already endured various forms of unexplained phenomenon, forms of supernatural harassment.

I because you could call IT the incidents that occurred honor around march tenth word, much more aggressive than any of the ones like glad how rose a. Campbell told her daughter, we need help. We need to talk to somebody who knows had a deal of IT.

But neither woman knew precisely what IT was. They were pretty convinced, though, that I was supernatural in nature. So they went to the church, took try to rid their lives of this yeah, which honestly, i'm not even a believer. And I think if all of this was happening to me, I might find a church.

I don't even know IT like that, especially if you're already your just course like that's gonna here.

That's where you go. You're outlet. So they started with the leadership at the church they attended.

But they were pretty disappointed to discover that while the clergy of their church were sympathetic, they didn't really take them very seriously. And this fucked up, IT is IT is fucked up. And they said, like, sorry, we don't know what we can do to help.

Like, these are members of your congregation, yes, that are coming to you. And isn't that like the .

whole point you yeah .

you to offer times of need ah off your assistant you would think and like demons things you're passed in .

that donation baskett sure like come .

on this poor family like this mother with three children that you're taking care by yourself, other living with her, you're not gonna to help. No, just come in and do a blessing. No IT just post the house.

You don't need to do an exercise. You don't need to do anything crazy. Just come in and say most churches like I think a house blessing .

is pretty standard. I was going to say I feel like every paraNormal case that we like talking about where they have church does get involved that at least come down and do a blessin ah a lot of times they're like yet. I know what we can do, but we will do the blessing. Yeah, I know IT doesn't even something like they did.

That reminds me if you guys have read the september house yet by cosan a read IT nice, especially the spooky season. Yeah, read IT. okay.

It's a real fucking in good book. And this made me think about a little bit, okay. yeah.

So they were even more disappointed to find out that this was the case with all the other churches in the area. They went to talk to multiple officials at multiple churches, and we're sorry to hear about what was going on, but they said they weren't a position to assist. Yes.

we can come in just blessed house. No, we could make you feel Better. We can. We can make you feel Better. Sorry, sorry.

Like.

and that's fuck .

you believe your whole life in something, something.

And that seems like, thing is like d and suck.

What's get of isn't .

a whole showing. So like some beauty can just come in and toss some holy water around, at least to make maybe this will help make that family feel Better. Yeah, exactly. You need to be like an official ceremony.

Anything crazy, do anything, literally anything. But after fAiling to find literally any help within the churches in their area, rose has called her mother roof and explained to her what was going on. And IT just so happened that roth had a igher, our who quote, belonged to a church that dealt with deliverance more than rosen lawyers about this church.

So the neighbour, often to speak with the pastor at her own church to see what they could do to help. no. While SHE waited to hear back from roots neighbor loti rosa took the advice of one local church, and they claimed the house from top to bottom with a monia.

And then they used all of oil to make the sign of the cross on every doorin window OK. And they also performed a similar blessing on the children, pouring the oil oil on their hands and feet, and making the sign of the cross on their foreheads. So desperate for any kind of answer. Luwa also reached out, reached out to two local clear buyers who informed her that, quote, the family's house home was presided by two hundred demons in the best thing they could do was .

move two hundred demand, which when you hear that.

you're like, what the fuck? That's insane. But also, I feel I get kind of make sense with the level that they're able to assault like IT takes a lot of power yeah, we were talking energy, the house of flying objects, and that sounded like a porter gust like that takes a lot of energy to build. Yeah, IT takes like weeks and weeks. And IT seems like this started happen to them like almost immediately hundred and deeming who on your .

demand and that these people like the only thing you can do is get .

the fuck out here and like like ultimately yeah pretty touch ah the explanation of the demonic investigation made sense to litan rosa because they were bost about Christians but they were barely scraping by as IT was so moving to wasn't financially feasible at that time. So instead, they set up several altar's around the house, striping end tables and White fabric, and adorning them with religious icon status, use bible passages. And they also took the advice of the local clear buyers. And they burned siege in each room mother's from top to bottom, until the smoke was so thick that IT became difficult to breathe.

I mean, that's not good like they're desperate like that.

That's not if you're staging, you have the windows open.

I was gonna. It's not supose to like build up in there. No cause.

Whole thing is like you saying something out so I am pretty sure like .

the smoke Carries so like and again like i've always said IT like I you practice whatever religion you feel of course I would never to way you against that or anything like that um but as someone who doesn't practice that religion or a religion um the idea of this like deeming infested home .

and now .

all these alters are set up as a we will know IT just IT IT is so chilling to figure up like this must have been the scariest setting i've just this demonic chaos with all this religious periphery is like religious hour I mean, going to say is the scarious like because I just so yeah IT just brings a different vivo to IT. I love IT so I really like really brings IT to a place yeah and this to me is like, but to think that this is real life, like, this is religious hall right here. Like, set up all all and should then i'm like, oh my god, this was someone one's existence yeah and like three children .

and like that so scary and imagine just like going to sleep for the night yes. Like wrapping up the day .

in that house in that house that's going on in that house said now .

and you're like, you're like most vulnerable and they're all just .

desperate as hell and it's like I would be living at my .

friend's houses at that point yeah i'll be couch surfing seriously but it's like again.

but your friends have distance themselves because they're scared that they're .

going to have things attached to them. And there's five people here like just show up on somebody y's people most people don't have friends that like, yeah all five you can say definitely yeah. So to the toy surprise, the rituals performed there on the house actually seemed like they worked for three days.

Things in the immense were finally peaceful, no incidents, no activity. But the peace they experiences in the wake of the closing did not last long. After three days, the assault on the family works and considerably. So I think you like pissed them off. Yeah, the demons according to the toy the vid d got .

speaking of the dead demons.

according to the toy SHE and each of her children experiences demonic possession, SHE said. The kid's eyes bulged evil, smiles cross their faces and their voices would deepen every time that happened.

no. yep. And he said he felt weak.

light headed and warm whenever a deeming overtook her body, SHE said, you can tell you something different, something natural. I hate this. Soon after, andrey took to spending his afternoons sitting in the closet with the ghost boy who often told him what I was like to be murdered.

Oh my god.

I have chills that just will not back.

I like, literally i'm like what you like go but yeah like my little had skeletons that you all know the skill tone was just sitting there being like I got a family yeah and i'm going to and and that's .

great and he never saw anybody never said like I was murdered.

He just, no, yeah you know, if he told me, like he was telling me what it's like to be murdered, no, I don't know what I do no, like I say i'm like, oh, I would didn't know.

I don't know what I would do. I know, I think just start crying. Yeah.

for a long time. That is such an upsetting .

thing that things start crying and never stop. Yeah, oh my god. And eventually the entity started moving from one child to another. So quickly that rose, I wouldn't have time to react before I moved from one to the other.

Like if he was trying to get three kids in the car, SHE said one would run to the car and start kicking IT. One would be restraining, the other would be, the other would be thrown to the grass. Then one would start cutting or saying it's time to kill, do are doing some sort of demonic c chat.

Or one would stop and the other would pick up just where the other left off. What the fuck like? No, and she's just trying to get them in the car to go somewhere for the day.

No, no, no, no, no. You know how hard IT is to get three kids in the car? Son's possession? Yes, yes, I like, do no matter what.

And then constant of exercise, i'm trying to get them into the car. yes. And then, dad, actual position into IT?

No, no, no, no. Holy shit. And then when the entity would leave them, they would just immediately fall asleep like they were exhAusting. H, that's so .

IT is .

sad.

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So out of options, and with literally no help coming from the church, leta took the kids to their primary care physician and the hope that he might know what to do, I think, to me, proves how desperate he is going to his daughter, the doctor, doctor Jeffery, on yahoo, I believe IT is said twenty years, and i've never heard anything like that in my life. I was scared myself when I walked into the room. wow. So I was visible what they were. A reporter for the inDianapolis star was given access to the doctor's clinical notes from the visit, and he describes, quote, delusions of ghost in the home and quote, hallucinations among the children, and describes all of them as solutions.

I mean, which she's looking at IT from a point of view of like I can't just sit here and really like, yeah, you have goes that i'm sure that's what's happening. He's seeing these kids going through IT yes, thinking child abuse exact and that's gotta be his first concern. IT was, of course, unfortunately, like you can understand, and I understand that this was pretty fucking horrifying from both side know.

but you can understand .

the doctor that he's looking these thing king of these kids and yeah no.

he's not in the house and and unfortunately, child protective services had they had a history with the family, they have been involved before. So the doctors notes are clear that he believed them to be a family experiencing a mental health crisis.

The statements from medical staff and but so he thinks that but the statements from the medical staff in the office that day actually painted a different really according to one member of the staff who was later interviewed by, I think they're dcs now department of children services. According to one of those workers during an interview, the toy told that he takes staff many stories, quote, regarding demons and spirits, and that her home has various demons and evil spirits due to somebody dying in the home. But regarding the children's behaviour, staff reported that during the examination, lotos Youngest son was, quote, lifted and thrown into the wall, with nobody touching him.

Like medical staff saw .

the medical staff who worked, I don't know there were all doctors and nurses, but like the the staff working at this office, like literally saw this with their .

own eyes and wrote IT down.

wow. Yeah that and that's the thing because .

of the things that make me go what you know there's some parts of this where you go like is, is there severe mental health crisis happened here? And like some like religious solutions and all that enough like is that happening? And then you see something like that. What the fuck is that, right?

Because how do you explain that? How do you explain that? Because you, if he, like, stumbled into the wall, yes, yeah, I like OK.

That's pretty mental health crisis. Yeah, he was lifted and thrown into the wall. And there's a crazy thing happens later. That's just inexplicable.

Other medical staff reported that this, the specific child was, quote, making growling noises, and his eyes rolled into the back of his head, which is that I feel like you could kind IT on your yeah but still the situation finally ended when the toy wrapped arms around him, and he became limp and was placed on the bed, at which point the medical staff actually called nine one one. yes. What the fuck is going on? Yeah, they requested emergency services.

So several minutes later in ambuLance arrived along with seven or eight police officers, and the children were taken to the methodist hospital in gary, according a rosa. When the boys came to in the hospital next acted rationally, but Andrea screamed and thrashed from resisting the medical staff. And IT is is awful.

At the same time, an anonymous call was placed to D, C, S, and requested that the state open an investigation into the possible abuse of the aims children for possible child abuse or neglect. The color indicated their belief that the toy was suffering from symptoms of mental illness and quote, the children were performing for her and he was encouraging their behavior, which is awful. But you can understand why someone somebody might have thought if they're not seeing everything going on in this house is like all of this is behind closed doors, the end and they're just hearing reports of this.

That's the thing I can understand. Your job is to keep children safe.

Yeah and I can not be b somebody calling, worried about the kids one hundred percent. So dcs case worker gallery washington met the family at the hospital that day and opened the official case into the alleged abuse, neglect at the same time, all the children were physically examined and found to be free of any outward signs or of abuse. Noble, anything like that. Meanwhile, the toy was examined by staff at the methodist hospital and determined .

to be of sound mind. See, this is the stuff that makes me go. What right?

IT was only in her interviews with the children in that Bakery, washington started to think something actually strange was happening within the family, if not the house itself. According the interview notes from a discussion with shanghai, the girl told washington that quote at time, SHE has weird thoughts in unnatural events take place in the home during the evening time. SHE also reported being thrown across the room and grabbed by dark shadows a few minutes ago. That horrifying.

so scared in a third child to be saying.

this is yeah so disturbing. And chat is older, I think gum, I think it's at the top. She's twelve yeah so she's like not like a little little kid, just like making up a story.

No that and also it's like for leta to be you know you're gonna be looked at as possibly abusing these show going through mental health crisis. So this is happening. You're going out of sheer desperation because, like, you know what, you're gona face absolutely, and she's face IT.

But he was so desperate that he went for help, right when he could have just captive to her self. If that was what was really happening, you know, I mean, the abuse was happening, I completely agree. So does tell you something that he was so desperate that SHE opened herself up to this growing because he had to know, yeah, you know, this was gonna be the the first thing they were going to think of. He still opened up to IT to be like, help please, like, I don't know what to do, which so devastating.

And that's IT is absolutely. And that's what so sad about the fact that he went to all the churches SHE first yeah, I think he was like, can we please like, find some help here so yeah.

don't have to go. I have to go somewhere else and get thought that i'm hurting my child yeah like.

that's awful. I can imagine how that would feel because you no parent .

would ever do something like this. Children.

sometimes dcf doesn't best. Or D, C, S. I barely called a different thing. Yeah, a lot. I think here it's dcf. I think so people call in cases to be assembles when like, oh, abuse isn't happening and people are investigated. Yes, sure.

Like you, they have to have they are Mandates reporters. So like.

so she's going through IT. And sure, exactly. So by far the most unusual event, this is fucking crazy. By far the most unusual event that day occurred while android was being interviewed by gallery washington.

He told hospital staff that quote goes for attacking him in his brother, but before he could finish a statement, he had a quote, weird grin, and walked backwards up a wall to the ceiling. He then flipped over his grandmother, landing on his feet. There were multiple people in this room, including the case worker gallery, washington, who saw this happen.

Okay, I can explain .

this according. Explain this according to those in the room. He never let go of his grandmother's hand. So he held her hand, walked out of the wall backwards onto the ceiling, and flipped over her body.

i'm. And in this, again, if this is just the family saying that this happened and no one else was there, like I would be like, that is the dumbest thing I like like that would be a kin to the evy ville story where it's like too far. You know, Cathy, lets got levitated up off the bed and just levitated towards the closed yes, for no reason I feel like no one else was there except for her, you know, George, right, why we say, and trying to make money on this, seeing that social worker was in that room, witnessed IT and wrote in the report, yes, which puts their own job in danger, because that makes them look, allow cookie, cookie.

And there is medical staff in the room who alike, what the fuck?

yeah. No one else in people are going to be put in their whole fucking and careers on the line here. No, to keep up with some hooks for no reason.

I even like police officers involved at this point. Later, in an interview with the police, officers asked maybe if the boy had run up the wall or performed some kind of like a korba you like, yeah, but that everybody in the room insisted. Now he walked up the wall backwards and flipped over.

One of the nurses at the hospital said he walked up the wall, flipped over and stood there. There's no way he could have done that. And when this happened, both gallery washington, the case worker and the nurse who was attending to these children ran out of the room and fear like ran out of the fucking hospital.

There's two hundred demons in the south when washington in the nurse.

literally an terrifying rubb, a doctor, and was like.

I don't know what the fox walk on the and .

leg so they reported to the attending physician what everybody had just seen. And the doctor was like that off. That didn't happen. How do I would say this.

think he's a man of science? Like this man is being like, fucker kids. Like, I got fired. Both of you like, how could you like one of .

doesn't even work in the e he told the, okay, so I walked up the, then he'll do IT again. But he was not only unable to repeat the move, he had no memory of what even happened the first time. He told the doctor, I didn't walk up a wall.

I can't walk up a wall. walk. And when he tried, he was unable to get his foot like his footing or baLance.

like who can walk about it's one thing that like you would even be shocking if, like, he ran up the wall and onto the sea down like, that's an echo atic move of like, someone show me how to do that yeah.

show me to go backwards .

slowly up the wall and onto the ceiling where gravity makes that impossible yeah like.

and he is nine years old. He like, i'm pretty sure I said at the beginning he was nine years old. Keep everybody just he's like, he's his a baby. He really like one of the girls just walk. He's walking on the, yeah, that is the ceiling.

that me, the fact that he walked all the way of the wall and onto the ceiling, flip back yeah, the gravity hello, my friends yeah but despite .

having witnessed sed the wall walking and generally believed the story of dominic possession, the are still admitted that the children's behavior was likely to, at least in part, to mental illness. SHE was like some thins of foot here. yeah. But I also think they be playing into this too.

like whatever is happening in the house might be literally making them absolutely.

So that night, the toy has spent the night in the hospital with her Youngest son, while her mom returned home with the other children. The next day was under roy's birthday, and he's in the hospital like going through this. So rosen, the children came back to the hospital to celebrate, but the celebration was short lived.

Not long after they gathered under his hospital the toy gotta call from gallery washington, informing her that dcs decided IT was in the best interest of the children to temporarily remove them from the home until the situation move was resolved and there was a plan for their safety moving forward. And that's on his on his fucking birth that which you like you couldn't done in one vacant day later. That's a thing like I get IT, I know there's a murder like I was involved in dcs as a kid, I get IT.

but I don't know and it's just like and you can see why they came to that conclusion because obviously they might this might not even like be against latia, you know. I mean, they're saying that home is unsafe and just get something happened in that home that we can explain ready to be out of that house. You can remove them from the house right now. So it's such a, it's such a sad situation that is.

I am all in the kind like getting so sick in that house. I think go to school like this is affecting the party is yeah .

and right but my goodness, what to be .

separated as a family it's just and .

on your child's birthday.

on your Young like your baby's birthday. And he's in the hospital. He one has to spend his birthday in the hospital. And two, he gets moved to like a Foster .

yeah on his birthday to just yeah, I like yourself.

So luwa later told a reporter, IT was obvious we were a team and we were beating IT. Whatever IT was, we made IT through together as a team, and they separate of us that like.

breaks my heart yeah.

he was like, a my heart, a mom that's a single mom. There been like, this family is a fucking and team yeah.

makes going to cry. Oh, I like that. Like, breaks my heart and does anything hearing a like dcs and Foster care and stuff and like it's termagants illy haven't be separated .

just like it's such a yes, obviously it's necessary exact like some of many cases .

need anything .

that can happen yeah but like .

when you hear about IT, it's never it's always devastating .

one of what it's traumatic.

Well, that's the thing. Even if you are coming from this fucking off for environment that's still devastating. That one you had to live that and now you have to live in the unknown, right? As a kid now who had no fucking business have an a deal about .

I know I actually like like I just said, I was involved in D, C, F. And lucki never had to go to Foster care because I had like you and mom pop up yeah but I I think about Fostering sometimes .

just like give back just that's like that's like him. In the other episode, i'm on the hoffer train this year. I could love the they're just like they're a perfect shining example of know, a lovely Foster family.

And IT takes like just a sidebar here. IT takes such a specific human to be able to do .

that fear faster. Parent fucking kudos, billions and .

billions. Yeah because they will get like a newborn in the yellow of the night. And then you bond with that baby. And then sometimes, and you know what they're coming from and sometimes .

have to give that you be back. And obviously the goal most of the time is to ren for D C, F is to reunite yeah was the goal, which in my opinion is not shouldn't always be the goal, but right that knowing as a Foster parent that like that's the goal in that you may have to like, you gotto be like, what a selfless human being you have to be to just be like, I want to make this child's life as loving and beautiful as I can for the time I have them. Yeah, but then i'm just going to have to put my own like devastation in several that bond to give them back to like continue their life right like fuck you have to see be such a self as person and also but then there's that holes who completely use the energy .

that for the yeah like we are talking about yeah cases ago, the your parents really know .

you really got like .

the best in the worst yeah I think I would just up with forty five million 呀， eighteen kids .

let's go. I couldn't. I don't even think I got Foster an animal and it's just it's .

because I just want to give in I special kind of person if you do that.

I think sabina go sabina just Fostered some kitten yeah and she's an age SHE is so so be .

that anchor things truly but yes, sometimes I think about IT like i'm not at a point my life right now we're, I would do IT like something in the future. I would think about IT. Beautiful, beautiful.

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In the formal paperwork of value, washington noted the children's physical or mental condition is seriously impaired and seriously endangered as a result of luoyang inability to supply education or supervision, which is a rough in simple terms, the amount of school that the children had missed a due to the everything that was going on was seen as neglect. Unfortunately, that does constitute neglect. And the home environment was not one that was promoting safety no.

as he was going on. But according til latoria.

SHE could not sign the children to school sometimes because the spirits would make them sad, or they would be up all night with no sleep, so they couldn't go to school. She's in between a rock and a heart. yeah.

But like I said earlier, this was not the first time that the dcs had been involved in the family. In two thousand and nine, a case worker was a sign for the same reason, but at that point there was no mention of spirits or damage. Not go on the school, not go to school and not having enough supervision, which is also she's a single mother.

I'm sure she's working multiple job. It's a tough position to be air, you know. But anyway, about a week after the children had been removed, valley, washington conducted a home visit to the toys house, accompanied by three police officers, two of whom just joined. Out of, quote, professional curiosity.

I honestly couldn't blame them. You're like.

what is going on here? Yeah, i'm pretty sure this is like a smaller town. Yeah no. So people are hearing this and they're like, I want to go. So inside they discovered several makeshift alters around the first flow of the house, as well as several circles of assault, which lita explained had been put in place to dissuade the demons.

which walking into that would be horrifying, absolute. And i'm sure these the officers are like.

okay, immediately I sure they thought he was mentally ill yeah.

just like some you religious mania going on here. Yes.

that's exact I thought was so that's what I would think. So the officer officially tasked with the company in vallery, washington on the visit was gary police kept in Charles Austin. He was a veteran police officer with more than thirty five years experience, and he later told a reporter that prior to his involvement in this case, he always believed in ghosts, but he did not believe in demons.

But after investigating the case, he changed his mind one hundred percent wow. Among other things, he claimed there were unusual, and uni dentification, excuse me, slow wets in the photos that officers took in the basement that day, which actually LED them to believe the toy, a story of demonic special. And like those who left the house after the family week, Austin actually believed he was follow home by some sort of entity that day that caused tons of electrical problems in his .

house for several days.

For this is a policeman with thirty five years on the force who didn't believe in anything like god. He was like, guy, I think there's goes, but like, no, there's not demand yeah and then he left, and he was like others, demons.

And one flow came to my house.

Now, not long after the children were removed from her custody, leta was informed that they would remain in the temporary custody of the state until he could prove that he was responsible, unstable enough for them. So to her, that meant he would have to rid her house and herself of the demons that was, that were plaguing the family for months. Fortunately, help was actually much easier to find this time around.

Then I had been in previous months, after hearing the story of what happened at the method hospital, the hospital chapel David level reached out to hit one of his colleagues river in mica machines, the pastor at a church in nearby moral bill, unlike many of the other in the area, margino. Was that actually a true believer in demons and did have some knowledge of exercise. But we found one, we found always one a one.

But he informed .

novel that before he could do anything, he would have to speak with the family. And then if IT was warranted, he would have to get permission from the bishop to perform the right .

of the exercise that such an interesting that interests me so much. Me too, because I I only thought exercise were one of those things where IT was like, a piece was like, here, come coming to do an exercise and I was just like, yeah, the fact that there was left to go to permission and that is like you have to be like approved to perform this right? Everything is very interesting.

You would like jump through hop yeah. And it's interesting that, like, I really a lot of the cases that we cover the precise so insistent on getting the bishop yeah permission like you're like i'm not fucking around here without his permission.

exactly. Then you have edlin who are always calling ah the it's .

crazy always and always getting .

permission something always getting permission.

but then choices they forget they're like.

you know no no permission as they quickly get one of those .

men in black like minda like that I did. They don't shut up, they lie. So in late April, margino met with leta and rose that their new running apartment and gary, where they gave him the low down on everything that happened in the previous month, everything they told him was compelling, but he asked for permission to review any additional material, including any law enforcement or hospital footage or documentation, and they agreed to provide IT. But IT wasn't until he accompanied lita and two gary officers back into the home that his belief in littoral case was absolutely cemented, according to the reverent, when the toy entered the house for the first time since my interview with her oil seem to condemn and drop onto the steps from the crosses SHE made above. IT also appeared all over the blinds in her bedroom.

Yet when he reviewed the police.

this footage from the walk through later that afternoon, there was no traces of oil or any other unexplained phenomenon that actually occurred, like when he was visiting.

What strange.

despite what he believed was compelling evidence of demonic position, the bishop dell males jack, I think, denied his initial request for permission to perform exercise. The archivist said, no, denied. He did, however, suggest that maginot, muji, excuse me, contact other prison in the area and asked them for training in the right of a minor exercise.

Oh, bitch. I didn't know there was different levels of x. There are.

And now i'm so interested, I think would be fun to kind of talk about on an episode and like dive into the different levels because I didn't know that I didn't. So you can do a minor exercise. And that does not require the church is approval.

Those the ones i'm thinking about where they just run on.

In the case of a minor exert, M, A clergy member will use prayer and religious symbols and other statements to drive any negative entities that might be, you know, in the homer space. So after making some phone calls, the reverent did locate a priest who was willing to provide the information necessary. And about a week later, margino is back at notorious former house, this time to drive out whatever had been torn, minting the family.

So in addition to himself in the toa, the exercise was attended by Virginia, washington, the case work, the case worker and officer Samantha illic. I think IT is from the gary police department. And another unnamed officer, Samantha, had been at the previous walk through and was actually somewhat skep to call to his claims, but was willing to give her the benefit of the doubt he was I got, I want to see to see the ship because and she's like, you know, my captain, there has become a little yeah, maybe I will. After leaving the house that afternoon, he said he was fully convinced something evil was in that house down. He said, we felt like someone was in the room with you, like someone breathing down your neck.

Oh, hi, yeah.

So he has managed, al prayed throughout each room of the house, instructed latoria to look up the names of the demons that could possibly be inhabiting the house. But each time you tried to do so, the computer would shut .

down without explanation. That's why you need an ancient tomb. Of course not. Stop using technology. You need an ancient does toll. Has anyone watched you? You flippin through yeah and he makes that found and you find this and you find you find the diamond and it's sure.

And but the deeper SHE dug for the right, the right name, the sicker and more light headed SHE got making the process so arduous and just completely impossible. So finally, they discovered the demons inhabiting the home where biz abb, the lord of the b. Bob, thank you, the lord of the fires, and quote, other high ranking demons, including lu, tenants and sergeants that torture and hurt kids.

I didn't know those are thing.

I did not know there. I also didn't know .

they are drinkings among the damon.

It's a whole community I don't like. I'm not into .

IT the fact that beels above is there like .

you you don't say that too many times .

in my house player like you ve got like the you .

got the team yes I quite for an palace entering the room after yeah ah with the windows .

open pal me too please. Before whenever we .

talk about demons, I think we should start policing, because I do think some weird energy is holding up in the pod lab and were in my host right now. And that is not, well, not happen. Thank you.

So the brain in rural went on for several hours, during which time nooo was becoming more weak, more exhAusting or more exhausted. Excuse me, SHE later said, I was hurting all over from the inside out. I'm trying to do my best and be strong. But eventually he fell asleep, which he said was, quote, the demons way of lessons, the rituals effect, like knocked her out as a ultimately imagine performed machine.

I don't, I keep going to say, like making IT fancy I love machine performed three exercise between may and june, during which time lita and rose, I actually had moved to indian apple is, but they drove back to gary for each other because I think I don't know if he was paying rent on this house and her next house, but she's trying to get her kids back. Yeah, you can tell. But finally, at the last exercise in june, margino changed tactics and, quote, parade the demons in latin rather than english.

which he claimed .

was the key to successfully driving them out. And at hearing the latin words and scripture, loti started to convulse. And then once slack and seemed to be asleep, he said a prayer of things over her sleeping body. And when he woke up, SHE and rose went back to indian apples, where they claim they have not experienced any demon ic activity since.

So in cabin in the woods, when he says do not read the latter.

he's wrong, apparently read the later. I think you can only read the lot if you know the later and what you're saying yeah you don't want to just read if we tell you one thing, if you take one thing away from this, I never read latin, William. Yeah, don't just willing.

You got ta know about a lot. But in november twenty twelve, roughly one year after this whole ordeal began, loya did regain custody of all three children in her entire family, started participating in in, in home based therapy services. good.

According to one report filed with D. C. S, they, quote, have not experienced any issues with dominic presences or spirits in the home in inDianapolis, and are moving on from that point in their lives.

stay. The report goes on to say the family continues to attend church regularly on sunday, but the family is no longer fixed solely on religion to explain or cope with the children's behavior issues. Well, so I think dcf definitely was like there's too much yeah reliance on religion going on here to a point.

In two thousand fourteen, the long form article in the indian apple star about the family's experience generated an unexpectedly ly large amount of national attention. And for us, the family wrote back into the spotlight, the toy said. I figured that I got an up or from my home town, but I never imagined that I would go viral. Just four days later, zack bags a closed adventure. Zack bagan.

oh, a man named zack bai.

don't know if you are of. He bought the house from the owner for thirty five thousand dollars and subsequently made a television documentary about the house, which I will be watching. I be watching that later. He referred to IT as the next amy.

Well, wow. And I added, but real, I was just going to say, I don't know if you wanted throw that one. So the next talk.

exactly I I believe in this one a lot more. I definitely like all be honest, I think there were probably parts of this that got to matic that how do you say that dramatized? Yeah, dramatic.

Ed, you say dramatic ized feel. Can you say words to ramazan? Ed dramatized, you decide. I'll take both.

I think there were parts of this that got both do both of you and i'm sure you know, sometimes I get really like like school dems. I think overall, they did experience a lot of what they said. There is something .

very unexplained in this situation one hundred percent. There's something that does not the fact that many people saw a kid walk backwards up all and into the and then flip over his grandma while holding her hand. You're just you're never going to tell me that that was yeah that's the so IT there's other things that for sure you can question. Yes, it's just at least feel like .

huh okay well then but this next part to me I like huh because like we all know that began has an entire fucking museum filled with the most haunted shit on the planet. yeah. When this documentary was finished, he had the house demolished.

wow. yeah.

Just after the release of the documentation in twenty sixteen, he told a reporter something was inside the house that had the ability to do things that I have never seen before, things that others Carrying the highest forms of credibility couldn't explain me there. There was something there that was very dark, yet highly intelligent and powerful. So zg begins was like, I don't want to fuck with that.

We're demolishing that house. Holy shit. The man who will take like every haunted fucking thing into his museum was like like was like.

let's get right of this that's like .

i've child on my life like .

to not be like we're going to save this house and they continue investigating he was like, no, no, we should just get of IT .

completely out of IT. So interesting. And several years later, la, a story was adapted into the delivering this year.

Yeah, this year. Wish for some reason, I thought that movie had been out for way longer. You're probably inking of del. I, yeah, that's exactly that I was thinking definitely different. Netflix released IT and I was directed by lee annuals and IT starts under day and queen glen .

clifts in gen.

I've never actually seen the movie. I haven't seen the movie. I i've seen like the skills of of mana there. I want to watch IT and I want to watch the documentation.

I'm dying to watch the document here, because nothing is more fun than watching a.

this is such .

a character or or a taps. I love, I love a ghost.

And yes, yes. Goes adventures .

in gunter. Host unter.

I prefer ghost hunters. Person.

ally, yeah, me too. But there's something to be said about .

all them is in this in interesting case.

So that is a very interesting case.

Like I nine, I was ninety eight percent believe most of what happened.

It's funny because we went from like .

a straight .

up hope and then we went to the house of flying objects where you could be like, all right, I think there's a little bit of something happened in here, but who knows what yah is you know the go through IT and there's like this energy that's building what's going on, right? But you think there's like a little bit of each and then you go to this one and you go a kid walked up a wall and onto the ceiling and flipped covers gram on for a whole foods room of people yeah.

And like different D C S, D C F case workers were writing things in their reports where they were like, yes, some part, some capable. Yeah, noses were like, yeah, we didn't .

mean to do that in that order. I know that they like to like, not so be.

yeah, think there is a nice way to top up yeah I don't know if this is the last weeky season episode or not.

I have no idea.

We have a fun guest coming up with a little bit spooky yeah but he's also just like a fun guest yeah he's just a wonderful human being yeah going to be recording that tomorrow. So I might be the next episode after the yeah then we have our fun halloy episode oh, I like the episode after this. I don't really know to be honest.

but you know what? How are we? The episode is fun. I'm so excited you're going you're going to get a little nifty gifts along with that. So so look out for that yeah and in find subsequent .

gifts to come yeah because where we are excited about this one thing.

not really gift yeah I shouldn't say give like you're going to hold a gift in your .

hand now a fun thing that .

we never do yeah exactly .

what we might do more up soon yeah so yeah, look forward to that. And we hope you keep listening.

and we hope .

you can backwards and pop over your camera after your school.

after walking on the ceiling.

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