Episode 610: The Amityville Horror Conspiracy
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Hey, weird. Do as I math and I milena. And this is a sickly man.

This is we both .

have covered recording bit. This episode brought you by the rona.

this episode brought to .

you by germs yes. So we just we just came off of my little mini book tour and we came home with the .

present and the present was in.

ah yeah so this is we're recording in two separate places which we have had done in a long, long, long, long time.

It's giving like pandemic twenty twenty days yeah, I like lived with you. Well, you live judie for a little bit yeah and I went to live with drew, and we had to suminia record and working on my whole office. But it's not quite done yet.

We do. We can do here.

And we just.

we weren't gonna not give you this episode. Are you kidding me? Fuck that.

Or what we say? No episode.

We did wait a day. That accident was good. Sorry, you not acknowledge that.

That was really good, but we did wait a day to record IT. We are gonna record yesterday. But yesterday I literally was not among the living.

yeah. My hope is not bad that I came up. I was, I got that weird. I feel like pretty fine.

Yeah, you're the symptomatic bitch.

I've never had cold a symptomatic. So that's a weird.

weird to have a synthroid tic.

Yeah, because I feel fine, but i'm not allowed to go anyway. Yeah, good. you. On the other hand, I in a face time to me yesterday, and i'm usually one to make make people feel back, yeah I think I like I was me first .

timing and I probably cash oh my god, I ve never .

seen you look so sick.

I have been the sickest I have ever been yesterday. I feel still terrible today, but I feel much Better than I did yesterday. You look, a million times is Better. When I opened with you, I said.

there SHE is god. That's the sister I know I was scary shit we were working with IT .

was real rough. No, but it's okay. But you know what? Here we are. I'm ray. I'm in a place called space.

Yeah so what we what we're doing for you today is we did so I covered the the fail murders last time, which were horrific and terrible tragic and we gave you a little bit of the how, you know his lawyer, William weber, there was claiming that there was voices that we're telling him to do at the house still sneaked y Peggy into what was to come yes. Well, well really he's really the master one behind the at least the nugget that made this happen. And today we're going to cover the emd will horror conspiracy. Man, it's a conspiracy because for a long, long time, IT was considered true, like, completely true. I grew up thinking .

this was like, real me too real as fuck.

And the thing is, I think there is truth in there, but IT has been exaggerated to such a degree. Like they didn't just go into this thinking like, let's make of a crazy horror story and i'll pass IT off is true. They took IT into such a place that I was like, how would you ever think no one would question some of these day?

The bleeding walls is where they love even as a Young youth I was like .

have never seen yeah and it's like and what's crazy as I think we covered a case IT was like a case I of course I can recall .

the house LED .

it's literally called .

the blading house my dad sent to me. I think I was a .

pity on episode yeah we're going you know maybe we'll revive IT again because we should it's a very interesting one because that when I kind of believe that actually okay.

So I said they lost me with the bleeding walls because Emily will did. But I completely believed in this other couple breeding walls because there are walls. I think they're bleeding lessons tensely. Yeah, I think so. It's all about the the level of blood .

with which you got. There's a few things in the story that you just say you took IT too far. You took IT too far.

And in the end, we'll see what happens here and we'll see the possible reasons for this beat going the way I went. But again, exactly. But again, I think that given what happened in this house, there's GTA be something going out in .

there for sure. Yeah, i'm sure there's like a leftover residual .

bad energy. So let's start off in one hundred seventy five.

shall we? I love the seventy, so we fuck and shall let's go.

Newlyweds ds, George and caffeine, lets started looking for a home for themselves in caffeine. Three kids from a previous marriage. Lovely SHE had Daniel, who was nine years old.

Christopher, seven years old in Melissa, five years old, little youths, little youthful babies. George needed to stay in the long island area because he was the owner of a long island surveying company. So really that was the only criteria that was like non negotiable was that they need to stay in the area OK. Other than that, they really the other things they had on the list of, like things they were really looking for was they really wanted to be on the water, and they also needed the house to fall into their budget of thirty thousand to fifty thousand dollars.

IT was not a lot for back then.

Yeah like IT wasn't a lot, but IT was house money. Okay, back then, you know yeah like that was right now we look at that. We go hollies like .

I only I think you could buy like a used vehicle for about no.

probably not now. But in one hundred and seventy five you could definitely buy a house.

get a nice waterfront property.

Could you conceivably get the Emily bell house? No, yeah, no. Which is interesting. So and again, remember that their budget thirty to fifty thousand dollars was where they had to stay.

okay? So by the time they decided to check out the little town of empty value, georgian Cathy had actually already seen about sixty or so homes in their Price range. Yeah, you guys to pick one. Yes, I say this all the time because I have one of my children, has my husband's inability to make a decision where they get like paralysis about deciding about things. I always tell her i'm like you could look forever for the right thing. You'll never, you'll never because you'll always be thinking that is something else there that's Better than this one thing that you chose, you ve got to make a decision and you got ta strong in your decision .

like wedding dresses in once you find the one, stop looking stop looking at your best advice that you gave me yeah because .

you'll always keep thinking there's something just a little bit Better that you haven't seen.

And if you have that mindset, you're gonna just keep that's something Better and then you're just .

going to drive yourself insane. Yeah.

you'll never be happy with what you choose. So that seems that what .

happened to georgian cat here, yeah, like you guys gotta stop. But none of these other homes are really singing to them enough for them to consider putting in an offer. So they have been put in an offer. Okay, because of this, George really didn't have high hopes, wink, wink, age, age, when because they had that side out there. That said, I hopes was like how I was like he didn't really have high hopes when he called the conclusion real office in masika park.

But the real letter on the other end of the line, eat if Evans told George that you know what, you're in luck because the new house, uh, just came on the market and IT is a little outside to your Price range, but IT really meets your other needs, and I think you should at least look at IT. okay. Now in interesting, that is out of their Price range because IT seems like that is one of their like main things as they were not coming out of that budget, they really couldn't. yeah. So like why you can look at this one if it's outside of your Price range?

H sometimes it's just fun.

but it's not because you .

can't afford IT like really but just fun.

you happy just like you can't have IT. So the house set one twelve ocean avenue. Does that address sound familiar from last? epson? Uh, IT did seem to meet the lexus needs.

And then some really a IT was an old dutch colonial and had a massive yard and enclosed porch with a wet bar. IT had a heated swimming pool. Mother, more right. IT had more than enough from from the kids. And IT was on the water and even had a dog and a boat house too.

I didn't realize that I had a boat house too.

Oh yeah, the the fails were very, very wealthy, I guess. So now of course, as ef Evans had already more IT was out of their Price range at eighty thousand dollars member, their budget is between thirty and fifty.

more than more than double their Price.

Yeah, I was like, why even bother looking .

at this really stage?

No, that's a whe outside your play range. But there was no denying that IT was an absolutely beautiful property and exactly what they were looking for when they set out to buy a house. So they had to consider IT.

When eats told George the Price over the phone, they expected to find IT, you know, in badly need of repair, to be honest, to have some other expensive defect because although that was way out of their Price range, IT was much lower than what that house was worth. Like, yeah, when they saw they were like, what? like? This is eighty thousand dollars.

It's fluting massive. It's got a boats house. I've got all the shit that's ask who died here? Exactly, exactly. And he was even .

coming furnished wow, that's when you absolutely .

ask who died there because what's even crazy that had been on the market for nearly a here and no one had put in offers on IT. Okay, that's what just no that so I knows that there's many red flags being thrown out here. It's like the .

tiktok I writing around with the giant red flag.

Yes, if IT seems too good to be true, IT might be too good to be true. So when you're just about you know the relatively low asking Price and you know the lack of interest for about a year on this thing, the real you know sheep, I would got to give a to her. Shedder bothered to dance around the reality of the situation. SHE wasn't like, well, you know SHE was like, yeah so in november uh, of this year, uh, twenty four or of last year, excuse me, twenty four year old running to fail junior had snapped one night, went room by room, shooting and killing all six members of his family with thirty five calibre rifle include, including small children yeah choose like so that's why I would .

run for the fucking hills. I would. yeah. okay. Well, we're looking at house .

number sixty two today. I know what. And he even let them know that at the trial, the fails lawyer said that the Young man was in. In when he committed the murder and for months that he had been hearing voices in the house telling him to, and you know that there was all the tales in the town like, you know, everybody had their own little like myths and legends about the house.

Now that the house is what made of, do IT course, everyone in new york, and perhaps even the entire country at this point, had heard of the murders. So he was like this, you know, this is the house. You're going to the murders.

You definitely know the house SHE. Actually he was like, I was actually strange to her that they didn't recognize the house because IT was everywhere. And if you guys remember the original Emily Wilson has those very iconic windows that look like, eh, they're not there anymore.

The new owners have since taken them out so that I will not be as recognized, all which good for them. Yeah but yeah, he was like, you know, it's like very iconic looking house. I'm actually surprised that you've never seen this and that you didn't know what you were walking into to be quite right.

And what's even wilder is if either either of the loses had been playing, paying closed attention when they walk through the house, they would have noticed there was a scarring in bullet holes that remained from the murder. sure. Yeah.

fuck that.

There was even some faint chock outlines from the ongoing investigation into the murders still in the house. No, yeah, you got a run.

And meanwhile, they're like.

where do we sign yet? Like, that's. So to eat this complete surprise, georgie and Cathy insisted the homes, recent tragic and grocery events weren't something that would bother them when he came to choosing a house which are okay.

I am like, so what does bother you? What's on your note?

What's on your chemist? What's you're like?

Boundary line do.

And here's the thing I can understand, like the new owners of this house, like the owners now, yeah, you know, so much time has gone by, that's the thing I can stand. There's a little bit of distance, you know, like its its history. History has happened and that has its tragic, awful history. But yes, its history. But to do IT within, like the same year, I feel like that's like, I don't know, I feel like the energy because you and I have said at walking into you know the sk piers mention and especially walking into the lazy boarding house, lazy borden house says an energy e you can't describe and that was how long ago? Hundreds of years ago at this point hundreds yeah so it's like I don't understand how this house with the that year didn't have the most dark and heavy energy.

I'm sure I did .

and I feel I had to. Do you think like .

obviously we're onna get there and in the story where kind of comes out that they were big fakers, do you think they were looking for something like this? And they they knew about the evvy horr.

I don't even think they were looking. I think IT was just a happy accident. Yeah, they were able to. And I think once they I think they they knew when they went into this house what I was okay, like I don't think they were. They were ignorant to the fact that this was the defiler house yeah.

I just like with all the news coverage and everything and having been so soon, yeah and they were in new york, I just me yes, they are in new york having come on yeah.

that's the thing. I mean, maybe i'm wrong. Maybe they didn't know, but they definitely rolled with IT. That's yes. sure.

I can't say that something I would do no but I huge hn energy so yeah no they told the eas no, it's not a problem. They said neither of them were particularly religious. They weren't really believe s in the paraNormal.

So the is well very tragic and upsetting. Um they just said I was kind of just historical fact at this point. I was like historical fact within the year, despite being astronomically outside of their budget, they couldn't deny that the house was a bargain for what I was and that was exactly what they were looking for.

So georgian Cathy put in an offer at the asking Price, plus they added additional four hundred dollars for the furniture. Wow, I know. Which was accepted by the seller. And on december thirteen, just weeks after runnel, defiler was convicted for the murder of his entire family in that house, George, Cathy and the kids moved into the Emily warehouse, setting into motion a chain of events that would forever change not only the lots of lives, but the entire town of empty, valid even today.

No, they are probably like.

fuck off. yeah. And media is literally like, fuck you loses because like we said.

it's like a really nice area like IT .

is coastal town, had a little seaside town like very cute, very, very cute, cute and it's not part of that. Now as George, Cathy and a small collection of friends were unloading the trailer and moving things into the house, the couple's priest, reverent ralf pecoraro, arrive to blessing house, even though they, I weren't religious. Thank you. Because so neither George nor cafe considered themselves particularly religious. They did attend church on a fairly regular basis.

And the reverent, according to them, had been helpful to them when they were getting married like that he'd been like part of their whole like marriage process, which to me is really, if you have a priest on call, like your priest on call, you are somewhat religious, hundred percent so like, maybe i'm wrong, I don't know, but i'm like I don't have a priest on call, so I don't. And I consider myself not religious same. But I feel like if you've got a priest, there's a little nugget of religion in there.

If you one, if you have a priest on call, if a priest told you throughout your wedding process and then a priest is coming to bless your house that you just bought, yeah, very religious.

You're religious and that's fine. Yeah.

there's nothing wrong with that. Like do you like just we are to say her, not when you very clearly are.

That's part of the strangest of the letter. And and IT gets even stranger when IT comes to this priest. I I T, yeah.

So no, of course they said they were going to have their priest, even though they're not religious, come blessed new home. Like, why would they? And you know, according to them, reverent pechora was more than happy to bless their new home. But when the day finally came, according to all the reports, he couldn't shake this feeling of just like yuki ss, like anise that i've been with him since he had woken up that morning.

Well, yeah, you know that you're going to a housework. Her family was just brutalized.

I mean, that'll do IT like I .

would wake up feeling a little funky as well.

The same, uh, he said the feeling is stuck with him through his lunch appointment with friends, but he was still there when when they pulled in the driveway, he arrived. He just decided, you know, i'm going to go. I'm going to do IT. So he knocked on the front door. They let him in.

He went room to room conducting the blessing ritual, which included like, you know, flicking holy water around, you know, altering prayers kind of thing, like everything we've seen of like somebody blessings, something you know, sure ah, the ritual was one headed, conducted a billion times for prisoners over the years. Like this is a very Normal thing that people do. no.

So he done at a ton of times. IT was almost like muscle memory. This what you know I mean, that's a very but he knows how to do IT.

He's got a lot of experience, but he said the time was different because when he entered one of the rooms upstairs, which he later learned was john, and marked failed room, yeah, when they share together, he flick the holy water, started saying the prayer, and all of the son from behind him, he heard a deep voice of a man clearly say, get out. I would leave. Yes, I I mean, I think that's very thing.

yeah. I think that, I mean, this person is telling you, get out. I think it's time to get out.

bye. I would leave. bye. You don't need ask me twice. You don't need to say a twice so IT startled him. So we world around, not knowing what to expect, but known was there. So he was like, no.

So he left that room immediately and quickly finished the blessing the other rooms of the house, because he was there to do a job. So he's like going to finish IT but and he's like an obviously, this house needs the blessing because that just happened. Yeah so then he all but ran downstairs towards the door in georgian Kathy victim for coming and they really go, do you want to stay for dinner? But he was like, no, thank you.

I have other plans by and he's just left the press said, fuck yet he said, absolutely not. Good luck. Uh so as they walked out to the car, the reverent mentioned that he'd recently learned the house had been where the tutorials to fail murder happened and to his surprise, he said, George just said, yeah, like we knew and when we bought the house, like it's fine he's like that why we figured that was such a bargain so IT worked out for us and he was like, oh.

he said he sums up.

yeah, that's only fine. We knew that. So they just kind of charted for a bit about the tragedy before pecado got this car and left without telling them what had just happened in the bedroom upstairs. So he didn't say, you got.

tell him and that chick happened.

Good measure. Now, according to George and Cathy lets things started happening almost immediately after they moved into the house and had had blessed. Okay, on november nineteen, excuse december seventh, George was woken up at three fifteen in the morning.

I very loud, knocking at the front door, so he was like, why the fuck is someone at her house in the middle the night and why they knocking like that? And he SAT there and kind of listen for a minute. And then he was like, wait, it's not coming from the front door, but he said he was coming from somewhere off to his left in the bedroom like he couldn't figured that out like somewhere else in the house. yeah.

So he got out of bed and he started investigating the rooms on the second floor and he assumed one of the kids was up like making noise or something yeah but he checked and all the kids were are sleep so he had just entered the sewing room which was across the room the main bedroom, which was this room the sewing room was a john mark to fails bedroom okay um and he says as he was in they're looking around something outside on the lawn caught si OK so from the window upstairs George could see that something was moving outside by the boat house. He said IT looked like a person, but like also not a person. IT was vegal the shape of a man, but he couldn't tell any features. He was pretty far away, so he called out of the window. Hey.

who's there? No, call the police .

in the commotion caught the attention of Harry, the family's dog, who started trAiling the shadow through the yard because he was like, i'm to fucker you up. yeah. So George.

George called out again, and this time instructed Harry, go get him. But the dogs was on a leash. I was tied up so he couldn't get as far as the the figure was.

Yeah so George went downstairs to investigate further, but after a few minutes he was like, I can't find IT. Whatever IT was has gone on. So he tried to go back to sleep, but he, honestly sly, couldn't go back to sleep. He was just laying in bed worrying about whether he made a mistake buying the house essentially.

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I would call the police and have them might check out the area.

Thank you. This is literally when I always have issues here. At this point, i'm calling the national guard and being like there's a shadow figure outside and my but like, fuck that i'm never going back to sleep yeah I when that .

one thing happened where he was like, he was like three or four clock in the morning and I was like the middle of blizz and I I talked about IT on the simply say five if you guys happened to the, I got like a knock on the door between three or four in the morning and that happened like consecutively until like six A M, I called the fucking police hell, yeah and they checked out and they nothing but footprints. How fucking terrifying is.

I hate that so much.

I thought a simply safely very next day but yeah but why would you not call someone that's the thing .

like you're not and this is I mean, it's nineteen seventy five, so it's going to be like get a focused security system. I don't know how about as they were back.

And so I mean, at least it's something I mean, to have them back.

then at least you have a dogs will fuck people out strops. Especially when he he was able to say, go get him and Harry was off to business.

you know to be able to be in a place of sick boy so yeah.

it's the best where we already have said in bench on like there are the sweetest pops. And then when we say get IT, they'll ll fuckyou up, they'll get IT there's they're big, it's a nice feeling fear these they were going to fuck up a kayoed the other night as don't come back in yeah no, we don't need that. We made them come back in because we were like to attack but they had zero feel like fuck that.

That's their family. That's their family. They're like, yes, those are my bitches right there. Literally, quite literally, literally but when he said he just like went back upstairs and trying to go back to sleep us like, no.

I said, how do you just how do you go back to sleep after that? Like.

no, I know and he didn't. I mean, he was difficult up all night so but it's like you three kids in the houses, no way I can sleep after that. Yeah no.

So in the days after that, there was obviously tension that started forming in the house that coffee couldn't explain, SHE said. From the moment he had introduced George to her kids because he's their stepfather, they had all gotten along very well like they loved him. He loved them like since they got married, heat they had on their own volition started calling him dead.

Well, like that, IT was a good fit. no. But ever since they moved into the house, George's appreciation for the children will say had been wearing thin.

Oh, no. And he'd started losing his temper with them a lot. And he'd never, ever done this before, according to coffee, had he lived with .

children before he had.

I guess they had been together a lot like, you know, they had. He'd never lost his temporary like, or shown an inclined that he would lose his temper like them.

Neither did some of my step ads until .

we lived with them. That's so. But well, we started referred to them as brass to her, which he never did like he never .

did that i'd never fuck up.

So that's that's the thing. So and then he called them misbehaved monsters who wouldn't listen. He called them unruly children who much must be severely punished. Baby, baby, when I tell you this man would be in fucking in orbit at this point, I really like, get the fuck out of my family. Get the fuck out of my house yeah.

I like you wear the shadow .

and by yeah, you go live in the boat house, sir. Like.

see you later no, your kids come first yeah like, fuck and you know 在 about your king .

yeah no you know the sound is Christopher walking on tiktok when he says you're talking to my guy， do IT again and stability in the face of the sutter's iron. That's you. That's my energy.

So when IT comes to the kids, you talk my guy yeah no again though they recognize that this was and a big change in behavior so much IT wasn't like a change. Like, oh, I guess he's just getting used living with kids. I was like, who is this man? Like, recognizable.

Yeah, unrecognizable man. Even George started to notice a change in everyone's personality, especially his and author R. J.

Anson, who wrote a book on the subject that will link in the showed tes. He said IT was not a big thing, just little bits and pieces here there. So was like, IT was a big change in his personality.

But he was like that I would come in small bit, you know, like I wasn't IT overall change. I would suddenly, like start rolling out like there was that big IT was like big chunks of changes, I should say, like a big change in his personality with the kids. So that happens at all at once, okay, but nothing really else.

He's still the same, George. But then a few days later, he was always very meticulous when he came to his hyg e he was a very clean man. He kept himself together.

We respect. We stopped, yeah. But then a few days later, not only see being shy about the kids, but now is being shitty y about the kids and irritable.

And he's also not shaving or showering everyday, and he would go days without going into his work like his office. He's irritable, he's smells bad and he's getting lazy. Yes, that's no boy.

No, get out here. So before they moved in, George had planned to move his office, the house. But now that they were all moved in an on pack, he just abandoned that plan. He just wasn't doing anything. Okay, now George wasn't the only one experiencing string shit in the house or like, you know, a change.

Cathy IT was also starting to experience things, but if he was starting to see and feel things that were like off putting, now, a few days before Christmas, Cathy was standing in the kitchen, writing out a list of gifts that they still need to buy for people. When SHE felt someone or something, according to her, come up from behind and embrace her, okay, SHE wasn't started, SHE said. SHE weirdly felt comforted by the presence, and he said IT seemed to reach out and take her hand very gently and gave IT a soft pat like her mother used to do when he was Young. I wow, which was like, beautiful. I know i'm like, was that like, you know, the mom maybe was that mr.

To fail or I don't send people I don't want to get there before you do, but don't send people think that that there's a portal.

Oh yeah.

So maybe i'm sure people there were .

something like they go, who knows? no. So the illusion, though, was broken by the sound of Chris calling from the other room, screaming first mount to come upstairs.

So the boys were in the upstairs bathroom looking down at the toilet ball, and Cathy looked in and so that the ball was entirely black, like that have been painted black. Okay, almost like that. How black.

I was so SHE flushed the toilet several times, but IT stayed. Oh, so he was like, i'm confused about this because I just scrub ed, the bathroom a few days earlier, everything was spotless. The toilet did not look like.

This was like, what the fuck from down the hall, Cathy could hear her other son dani yelling for her to come quick to the other bathroom. Danny was in the bathroom off of his parents bedroom to get cleaning supplies to try to help clean that that toil ball. But when he went inside, he saw that that one was completely black too. And I was admitting a fw older.

Maybe you ve got a subsequent.

That's what i'm saying. So the sense was so bad that he forced them out into the hall and they started yelling for George, who noticed the smell as soon as he got to the second friday was that bad? S so they ran from room to room, opening all the windows.

But when Cathy got into the sewing room, which again was john in mark davies bedroom, SHE was done to find that both the windows were covered with black house lies I would want me. And IT wasn't like a few flies. IT was like a covered. Now it's not crazy for a new england home to have problems with flies. We all can confirm that we all got flies even if you're the cleanness house in the worlds during the summer ah you're gna get five, but until .

cover all your windows .

and also remember this is the dead of winter.

Oh right, this is december.

We shouldn't be having a problem with for us, they're pretty dormant in the winter. And like dead yeah. Like you in that I like not alive yeah.

So things escalates from there with a few days. Five year old Melissa began frequently mentioning that he had a new friend named jody and Kathy astor daughter one afternoon. Is that one of your new doll? And he said, no, jody is a pig. He's my friend. No one can see him but me.

the way my entire body just got covered in guse bugs. Yeah, that's when you throw the whole kid away.

You you know the whole city touch a little sweet heart.

but we have two others who are also pretty great.

Give you the boot, babe. You know what you've ran out. You're welcome here. So one evening, as George was putting millions of bed, SHE started talking about duty in.

George was like, okay, like, where did your friend go? And he said he will be right back. He had a good side for a minute.

So like coffee, George was assuming that jodie, we know, with malay's new imaginary friend, which is an alarming for kids to create, especially at that. No, and they'll get very like serious about their vegetating friends theyll tell you where they are, what they're doing. Like you're sitting on my new friend like that back in the day.

My boy, yeah, your boy. exactly. Note mark too. But I had naughty Martha who did all the things that I you just not good on there but that is so it's like it's weird and alarming when that happens but also not because you're like this is a kid.

It's a very Normal stage of development yeah so at this point, George and both thinking jois a new pig friend that she's got sure but that night after he tucked her in the bed, movies said, there is daddy and point in towards the window and he was like, okay, so he's like, i'm going to look so when he look turns to look, he said he saw two fiery red eyes staring at him through the second floor window well, and yeah, I by and he said that, joe, he wants to come in. I say he has to sleep outside tonight, unfortunately. Yeah, he asked to sleep outside forever.

Eternity is where? Yeah, he's a pig. He likes IT out there.

yeah. And he was. He was not afraid of jodie.

That's the thing. Like, there was no fear. He was excited. Kids learn thing. There is, there is my boy joe yeah my little pig friend, he wants to come .

in but at my school.

my guy and you're talk to with my guy so he was like, okay, no so he was like, i'm going to say, good night you'll find this way and I guess by so over the course of their time in the house, the attacks on the lets is, you know, went from unseen forces. And then all the sudden in that you can almost like believe .

that energy.

there was energy that maybe they were hearing things, maybe see something out of corner, like that kind of thing. If they just stuck with that, I would like, probable, yeah, yeah, probably would would believe that. But then I started. And even this is like the a femoral stuff, like going from, like smelling fellow oders kind of thing, like I even that I can get.

I believe in that because I feel like there's like science .

behind yeah and IT is like you can even go with the infestation of flies and the disappeared ed voices, that kind of stuff feel like I and I believe that that could have probably happened. And then I started getting physically assaulted. And this is where I am out.

This is where I get. And it's not because I don't believe that you can be physically if assaulted up in the way that they were. okay. I don't know that.

So I don't I don't know a lot about the ways that they are physically assaulted. And I know like the big things in the case, like the bleeding walls and the flies and the police. I told I agree with you, I believe you can be physically assaulted, but i'm interested to hear how they .

were so one evening everyone's asleep and they claim to have been woken up by knocking sounds that quickly escalated to the point ah that I was so crazy that the windows cracked and the doors were blown off the hinges okay.

unless it's a .

hurricane, I don't I believe you. Yeah, like, lets say you really had me going for a minute there. You lost me here.

It's the winter. It's the windows cracking. I would believe the door got blown open because like i've seen that shit.

Oh no. IT didn't get blown open.

IT got blown .

off the hinges. Oh, sorry, bye, no, yeah. Like.

oh, you tell.

blow off the hinges, no hurricane and say, no, no yeah. So also, so that happened. And then even though George is slowly singing into becoming a fair al human being at this point, he's also finding himself constantly freezing in the house like could not get warm and he would spend hours every day just sitting in front of the fire trying to get warm.

But I don't like that at all.

Yeah so this this next one is the one where I say, well, if the if the doors blown off, the hinges on the windows cracking, make you go, 哼， then I feel like this .

wouldn't probably should.

Okay, let's go, girls. So one night in january, when they were sleeping, Cathy and George, you, we're suddenly woken up because Cathy was lifted off the bed by an unseen force. And George watch her be Carried off in the direction .

SHE can need to get through.

IT SHE said. He said, i'm not facing watching. Say gd, bye.

Oh, no. But that silly, silly git, I just can. So SHE got Carried off direction of the closet. In the closet they are not found to use for this, cause that apparently yet it's a clothing.

some cloth. And there.

I don't know. You should use IT as a close for your shoes. So i'm crying. So I don't know what happened here. Apparently he got Carried off to the closet and at the next day, so apparently they dropped her and choose fun. Just the next there, George went over to investigate the closet because his wife was Carried off into the wild blue yonder over there. So he was like, a, you should see what what's going on.

I love that there's no additional .

detail of that night, just SHE got Carried .

over to her closet. And then the next morning he went to check that out and think, what about the in between time? Did you did you get up off the floor?

Did you help her? did? Did you stay the night there? Did you get picked up again? IT was SHE yelling, I need so much .

more detail.

but e's scared when you crying, I would cry. Did you just go back in here? But after that, here, like, well, that was crazy. What a ride. Hello.

i'm crying.

I was watching school we do last day and that is giving me .

or was school be oh, what you like all I, all I want to hear is like then pulling the mask off for somebody in the class and you medical could or .

just like when they like, run really good.

Like that do, do, do, do, like, do, do, do, do.

What do that with the vision of cao? 对 that .

for some reason， the vision of that just like, send me, no, that could not stop life. That's good shit. And he goes and investigates the closet. And he found that just beyond IT was a hidden room. I didn't appear on any of the plants or blue print seen when he'd went to the amy view historical society.

I would .

be over the moon.

Be in room. How fucking fun is that?

I'm out here trying to convince john to add a head and amount to our house.

I think you should. Yeah, I want one in a could be a speak easy.

It's my dream. That's my dream. I'm like i'm an adult. Yes, I should have a hidden room. Hello, I need more room activities. That's one of my goals in life is to have a hidden .

do you like behind your bookshelf, right? Like you pull a book in the door opens.

then it's just like our room. I don't even know what that room is for.

They do that shit unlike weird, like homemade ws all the time. I think you should do .

IT I want to. So we're going to convince joan of that.

Are you overseen?

So i'm like, so what was the big reason for all? So like, he got Carried over to that closet. Was that like the demons of the goals just being like guys checked IT out. You ever cool him in room back?

Let me tell you if I was a goes living in that house, I think um you haven't discovered check do something. But it's like so much you could do with this.

so much in proactiv ity. But do do you Carry the wife over there in the middle?

Now I do. Now I get that idea. I am bringing IT to the after life with me.

Yeah because I mean, you are gonna get as somebody y's attention that way. I mean.

i'd probably be like way more cli than the experience sounds. I'm not like i'm not like a power lifter.

Yeah, you know but maybe you will be yes.

maybe i'll get that skill. I just felt a cop on pick you back on over to the hidden er.

yeah, here we go. I just want to show something real quick. So that happened throughout their ordeal. The lets is kept quiet about what was happening in the house. They are not telling .

people I wouldn't. I'd be on the national news .

and that's what i'm saying. They didn't want the reputation of crazy people. You know, these weird people just moved into the neighbor d and there creating a holes.

Chinese s got IT. So but like to be honestly like just like you know like if you have worked, had happening in your house and we live in the same neighbor. Hod, you want to tell me, like, tell me everything. Tell me because i'm not.

You're gonna awesome.

me. So a few weeks after moving in, they turned to the eddy will historical society and the hope that they could maybe provide them some information about the house of the lake, as they know about the fail thing, obviously. But they were like, you know, what did I anything else happen here? Which I was also like, do you need anything else?

I don't know. Like I feel like that'll do IT in my opinion.

Yeah so IT took a few days, but eventually someone from the society got back to them. And uh, what they said was that apparently the house IT seemed SAT on land once used by the shinoda tribe. And IT was used as, quote, an enclosure for the sick mad in the dying. Oh, the society member noted that, well, they may have used IT as like a kind of like a holding place area. The sheaths didn't use the area as a burial ground, and they didn't use that area as a barrier ground because, quote, they believed IT to .

be infested with demons. fantastic.

Now this is something this would give me pause.

Is there do you know if that that's been like backed up? If that's like the truth.

we'll get there. okay. So so, so good, my good question. So further legends, because of course you're not just onna get this one thing. There's lots of chit chat about this land, about the house is all kinds of stuff.

So further legends told of the latest property once being home to john catchum, who was a former member of salem masaccio who'd been forced out of the state for practicing witchcraft. Shit catchum relocated to long island and set up a residence, allegedly just a few hundred feet from where the lets is now lived, and supposedly he continued practicing witchcraft and devil worship. Kay, um so we all collectively can say that's pulling right yeah ah there is no there is no nothing to say that this is the truth.

He did have to leave sale as tutts from there is like things about him going to long island. But what we do know is that he was not doing devil worship in all that shit. And um there's also like according to some of the accounts, john catching was buried somewhere on the northeast corner of the last property.

There's nothing to indicate that at all. The discovery of this information was obviously scary to the losses, but I didn't really help them, nor didn't help them IT just kind of explained maybe everything that was going on, like maybe the land itself is evil, which you would make more sense. yeah.

So the lots is terrifying ordeal finally came to a head on january thirteen to one thousand seventy six. So this was not a long period of time. No, not at all.

Remember, they moved didn't towards the end of december. Um by this point the attacks were constant. They ranged from disembodied voices to being pushed by unseen hands to finally, what we've all know, according to them, seeing blood oozing from the walls, hearing the sound of.

And one of my favorites was they would hear the sounds of what they described as a full marching ban. I think the living got about that one march is a good one. And after discussing the matter at length, georgian casey decided IT would be in everyone's best interest if they got the fuck out of the house, maybe just for a while, maybe for good.

I love they like, we're not sure. Yeah, they were like to know what? So they made arrangements to stay with Cathy's mother in near babylon, new york. So they were like, you know, we'll stay with Cathy's mom.

see what we can do. Oh, some my portal theories wrong because your mom's alive.

Yeah, SHE is. So that morning, Cathy and George packed the kids and Harry into their rain and prepared to leave. But George started to turn the key to the ignition and the van stalled.

Oh, so he got out open the hood, hoping he could fix whenever was stopping them from leaving. And as he stood in front of the car, leaning under the hood, a big gust of wind forced the hood down. And he barely managed to avoid being hit by IT.

crazy. That's crazy.

So just moments later, thunder sounded in the near distance, and the wind picked up to hurricane speed, I know which force them out of the car and back into the house, just as the power went out. Wild series of events. So despite the twenty degree temperature in rain and sleep battering the house inside, IT was nearly ninety degrees and felt as though was getting hotter by the second.

Okay, the store mended a few hours later, but he was still the power was off for the rest of the day. And at six P. M, the next day George went down to check the boiler, which was off, and when he came back upstairs, he saw what appeared to be a dark colored blob working its way towards the living room and towards caffey in the children.

And I was like to worry, that's just my sleeping else is Steven. He's fine. He just things out dry about IT.

But several hours later, IT was clear that they wouldn't be able to leave the house until the next morning. So Cathy and George put the kids to bed and yeah, but they put the kids to bed in their bed. K, and they fell asleep on chairs in the bedroom OK.

So they're all in the same. A short time later, the heat and the house broke dramatically, and the temperature to started to diplomat. Now, somehow, even with all that was going on inside and outside the house, they all managed to fall asleep in that room. No, incorrect.

At three fifteen A M same time.

he he had woken up before George was woken up again by the sounding we full marching band in the living room downstairs. Like, I think .

the marching story is.

that's what I wonder, is something like they from where does that go back to? Yeah like a marching them I don't know about that. But this time the noise was accompanied by a bunch of unintelligible voices like they couldn't tell what they were talking about. Voices OK was a it's like the victa party at the semester house.

which I love a Victoria party yeah .

vitoria parties everywhere. That's but this ones like worse, I guess. So honestly, for the first time, things got a little worse here because George could hear the band or whatever. IT was start to climb the stairs towards .

the bedroom, he said.

parties in here, I said, oh, no.

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Now, the sound of the ban, the signal to what would be the worst and ultimately final assault on the let's family in that house, because moments later, lightning started flashing in the bedroom. The bed frame started shaking. But you you passed .

that like IT was nothing. Lightning flashed inside of the bedroom. Well.

lighting didn't hit in the bedroom is like, flashed like the bedroom, like outside of the bedroom. Lightning fast.

I thought you meant lightning was happening inside the room and I said, you can't just Grace .

pass that you can just want. I won't been shocked if they said that happen by this point. Everyone was awake, but George found that he couldn't move.

He was having sleep per elsa and could feel what he thought, or hooves stepping all over him. In response, he said they were walking across his body to get to his family OK. And soon the whole house was shaking like IT was going to come down around them.

I mean, that party would be good.

and honestly see you later. So I took all the strength y head. But George finally managed to break his paralysis, getting himself up.

He grabbed children in coffee. They ran towards the door. But when they got to the landing, George heard danny cry out that there was something in his room. And he told George, it's a monster. He doesn't have any face.

I say that's fine because we're leaving anyway.

I feel that cool. Leave him be now. When he looked up, George, on enormous hooded figure, dressed White, standing near the stairs. The thing pointed at them in George knew this was that he had to get his family out. This is the last second he had to get everyone out if they were gonna e IT.

So he just wanted have a dsl.

And he was just like you, your family, let's see what you do. You have a whole marching remind you. I don't think so.

I think I think he was china. See what their step team was all about. Yeah, he was trying to see if they .

had what IT took to be america's next top dancer.

Yeah, like, step up. Let's family, I think and he says, but was no. And you know what? That's why no one ever had a problem with this house again, because they were like, winners, and they just like left.

They were like, all right, with the winner is the thing. So he ran his family down the stairs, managed to rip open the door, push the kids out, dank athi Harry in himself. And once they were all in the van, he, jim, the key in the ignition and the ancient turned over, he was able to start the ignition.

So they just wanted to have one last party yeah.

they just they were like, stay in of the night. You didn't tel us you were leaving. So he flies out there tord down the driveway on ocean avenue. Ocean, have you used and talk? I can believe the first .

time we did that.

I know I that's really that sad was my first .

concert .

I love to that song, hello card forever. So they were finally free of the house, whatever IT happened in there, and they would never go back there again. I wouldn't, wouldn't even go back there. When they were investigating, they refused to. Well, for the plot, I was going to say for the plot.

like, I wanna go back either. So if that if all of that actually did happen to me, yeah where we know IT didn't just our age of the story like.

and that we just stepped foot back in the scary. So just a few weeks after fleeing their home georgian coffee, we're at a party.

I took a step of my drink of the work's time because humans just got a straight up spitting there .

is just at a party.

I'm sorry, and maybe this is just me. I don't even have kids yet. If my kids were almost dynamically possessed and like taking away from me by demons, I don't think i'd be heading up about a party like weeks later and leaving them with anyone.

I don't think my kids would ever let me leave them alone, and I wouldn't leave them like are not alone. I mean, like even would like a baby sitter like they would. My kids would just want to be with me.

Twenty four, seven yeah, vice verso. Because, like, I know me as I can. If that happened to me, I believe you leaving my side, mommy, and literally never. We're sleeping in the same room .

forever like the fucker celebrating, I mean.

what's going on? Well, they were at a party and empty film where they happened to meet William weber, the lawyer of recently convicted killer. Round to fail, now ever was a local.

So IT is entirely possible that this was a Pearly coincidental meeting. Yeah maybe it's strange that they met, but like it's it's not that strange because like they did all in the same community. And like we said, IT is smaller community exactly.

So ever had always maintained that the fail is mental. Leal and he had been hearing command loose nations in the week's leaving up to the murder of his family. So in georgian, Cathy mentioned where they had been living in, the cost for them leaving that house.

He was so interested, cause I remember he is also in the middle of trying to get appeals for his clients. So this was a delicious little luggage information for him. With the fails conviction less than two months behind them, weber had already started planning the appeal, of course.

So he said, demonic investment. What's tell me a person attack? Tell me at all, you have a seat. exactly. So in mid d february, weber actually organized a press conference for himself in the lets shut up, yep. And during the press currency announced based on certain facts related to related to us by georgian coffee lots and certain physical evidence brought to our attention, we are considering a motion for a new trial. So whether didn't provide any details there, he just strongly indicated that the very strong force that had driven the lets is out of the house could have been to blame for motivating, to fail, to kill okay, that's fucked up. Yeah is like you're literally blaming a house for this guy just being a piece of ship yeah no.

I I don't like that, and I don't like that. The lots is really good. Let us help you do that.

Let's do this now, contrary to what they would later claim, georgian coffee, lets minimize the extent of their supposed paranal experience, then, having seen human shapes, flying objects and hearing any whaling noises, or, you know, whatever.

In fact, the most George would say was that the experience, psychic phenomenon that he could not describe, I persuaded him in his family to suddenly move out, move out because of concern for our personal safety as a family. okay. Now, on advice from their new legal council, William webber, neither George nor coffee would elaborate on the details. So they very much down play IT for the Price.

First, they made a vague to make example, interested.

Now the press conference gathered a lot of attention from the new york media and generated a lot of rumors about the lesson. And they're supposedly haunted house. Of course, this kind of helped them.

Well, it's like when somebody puts up back back in the day when people would put up a facebook status like in the worst mood.

don't us? You know why? yes. And everybody, everyone, therefore, zed and one about yes. Now IT obviously was not very often around town that a seemingly reasonable couple was holding a press conference to announce date experience, psychic phenomenon, to such an extent that theyve been forced out of their new home when sick.

That actually did happen more often.

I know i'd be so interested .

about you could like, hold town meetings and shit.

yeah. Now, among those who took interest in their story was a local news channel, channel five, who wanted to do an investigative story on the house, and the lets his experience. George agreed to allow the news channel that into the house, but he said he and his family would not be joining the investigation.

I bet a few .

weeks later, the news team arranged to film the investigation at the lost his house. And IT was going to be LED by a notorious husband and wife psychic investigative team. And in the rain water.

I was going to guess net .

marine close yeah our friends at in the rains cut their fingers all up in here. This is one of the ones they're most well known for, actually.

On the night of the investigation, the warns arrived at the house with the number of other individuals from their inner circle that included a lot of psychic that would help with the, as they moved to a room room, the rain used her, you abilities to try to sense the presence of any evil entities that world in the house. Which I was like, I don't really think we need the rainbow ties, do you? That I think we can look at history yeah.

Almost immediately, lain stated that he felt the presence of a negative entity right from the bowls of the earth now. And he said, this is the entity that was threatening you and likely convinced to fail to kill his family, which I was like, the rain, shut the fuck up. Are you really sitting here trying to take away the fact that ronal to failed junior is a piece of shit? Who murdered his entire family because he is a piece of shit? Appreciate the thing.

It's just like I when they go to like the sneaker house and they go to like these other house, that is like, sure, it's kind of fun. I got IT like making you're just live in your life. I love goes something.

I get IT absolutely. When IT involves a murder, like directly A H family, and IOS, like multiple children, died in their own homes while they were maybe sleeping. Step away from that.

don't touch that, and don't be sitting here trying to say that ronnel to fail. Junior only did IT because this demand from this house convinced him we don't take the responsibility off of him.

It's also just kind of it's just stupid to claim that when the history is very clear of like they had a bad relationship and his .

family didn't have a great relationship and he was not completely .

in his right man yeah .

he had shown that he he could be violent. He has shown that he you know, I mean, he sounds like he had grown up in an environment that kind of was pleated that violence. And it's like we just to take the I just don't like that taking responsibility off of him here, I don't either, and doing IT to kind of further your own fucking in agenda, which is exactly what he is doing.

And that's why people think that's why I in the rain have the the black mark on them that they do because this kind of should, like you wanted, do fun, ghostly ghost shit, go this kind of stuff. Just rub me the wrong fuck away. You just don't touch they just and IT shows that their scammers IT, shows that they will go to the ends of the earth to push their own ship.

And it's like, what are you trying to do? Like, get this guy .

off for murder. Problem is that this just happened. Lin, and if you're doing this now, yes, I can do in this now, like twenty twenty four, when the guys is dead and it's all over even to annoyed me because I would be taking responsibility off of him.

But you're doing IT within the first year that he has been convicted and that has happened and that he is in the appeals process where they are using the idea that he was mentally or insane or that there was someone seen force in the house making him do IT just not cool. no. So during one of the several sales conducted in the house that night, one of the psychic accompanying the warns claimed to, quote, feel personally threatened by a shadow being. And the entire team concluded a dominic spirit possessed the house, and they recommended an exercise, of course.

and they contact the archdiocese.

Of course they do. They always contact the archidiaconal cept. They don't. So the couple also took a bunch of time lapse photos at various points around the house.

And in one of the photos taken at the base of the step, IT is a creepy photo. It's a very famous photo. I know there appears to be a child who can clearly be seen standing in the door way, leading to an a jacon room. He, the warns, claimed that this was evidence of Normal activity and claim the photo captured the ghost of john to fail who was the Young gest one OK whose spirit they believe was still trapped in the house. It's a scary photo .

and that's horrifying.

I think it's it's a hard one to to figure out what happened there, like what kid that is.

That is probably one of the scarious pictures i've ever seen in my life. I can feel the hair on my legs just standing up.

Yeah, it's that ones definitely .

a scary one. Oh my god. Hope I close the start of that. I don't want to like open my phone and have that be there. I know right.

but that I do think though that IT has been debunked photo it's .

very clear.

I think that was um one of the warns team they figured out. Um I think I might have been like his neighbors, like paul. Something I think is what they think that was. Either way, it's a pretty scary photo. This stands like I could see why people were fooled for a long time.

I probably would have been.

I just was to see they go. That's I mean, that's for that's the wild thing of all the warns as they they definitely therefore to get yet first and then you like, I fuck you. So while the warns have been most of the like the biggest names associated with the emotional hunting, and they are very much associated with IT like it's like him in hand, it's like them in the conjuring kind of thing.

Um they were merely one of several paraNormal investigators who were attracted the house by that press conference like they were the only ones their involvement in the case china ends when that investigation went channel for. I vented like they didn't really sick around longer. okay? They obviously discussed the incident in the story many, many more times in their career like they did use IT as like the pin point going to like golden st. Yeah but they got they piece out after that in five investigation like they got their fake photo and they were like Carried by that's interesting. So the Warren's investigation was followed by another investigation by hans holzer.

i've heard of which.

Hans holzer, I think when we were with miki dave watching A A hunting you, i'd start that show, which we had so much fun watching, is hans holzer was in a couple .

of the things. And I said, I think, I believe everything this .

ban has to say because his name is .

huzhou ser .

he just makes sense he's a supposedly skeptical paraNormal investigator who unlike the warnings, was guided by a more scientific method of inquiry I can appreciate um accompanied by nominally famous psychic ephod Johnson mires I don't know if you've heard that name. I have holzer suggested that the losses house had been built on an ancient china OK indian burial ground that the quote and was haunted by the angry spirit of chief ruling thunder.

I feel like that borders on racism when they go yeah the burial ground .

road yeah I think it's just that they don't have proof of that yeah there's also they don't have proof of that at all. And they also were told by the historical society that like, there was no allegedly that these the indigenous people would not bury their dead on background because he was thought of as, like, curse. yeah. So they were told that IT wasn't, you know, this guy saying IT was, yeah.

I take a back when I said, I believe everything han has to say.

yeah so he also examined many of the photographs from the original to fail crime scene, including several photos of the bullet holes in the walls. And he said he saw mysterious haloes peer around the bullets. Okay, you like no hams.

From Williams webb's perspective, the lots of story was one that was worthy of being told. Of course. You know, he just wants to get IT out. You know, no other reason at all. No.

it's really important. Just, you know, he just was entertained by IT. IT has nothing to do with his ongoing court case. No, of course not. Why would you even think that guys?

So in march one thousand nine hundred and seventy six, less than a month after the press conference, he presented the lesson with a book contract with publisher mars in burnit. Under the terms of the contract, weber mars and burden in georgian Cathy lets would receive twelve percent shares of the profits while paul half men, the books proposed author, would receive forty percent .

twelve .

first and in kind of sucks I percentage socks .

so I would think that for twelve first yeah so Cathy .

and George were like, well, you know what? He's been supportive of us so let go with IT. So they signed the contract and lets .

go tell you negotiate .

a Better percent, you know. Now just a few weeks after citing the contract with William weber, georgian Cathy met tam moston, who was an editor with prentice hall l publishing OK. They told mostly about the deal with weber and he was like, um yeah he might be offering you free legal advice but he also offered to be really bad books to okay.

but is somebody around them but yeah.

so since the contract technically hadn't been finalized, I guess they hadn't signed and I should have said that they agreed to the contract. They signed IT. They were still time to back out of a deal.

No, john handlon gs. Mossman suggested that they pursue their own author and sell the story on their terms. So a few days later, he introduced them to his friend, author janson, who I mentioned before.

IT sounds like they just didn't realize how lucrative this could be.

And when they did, they were like, fuck, yeah. That's literally what happened. and.

What if death is only the beginning? In one thousand nine hundred and fifty, england, a milk band's daughters lives are tragically cut short. When his wife later becomes pregnant, he makes the claim that is, Frankly, ery.

He says that his newborn e twins are his dead daughters reincarnated. Andy says he has proof, a true story hosted by writer, director and amy nominated actor will sharp. This is extra sensory. In apple original podcast produced blueness house, apple TV plus subscribers get special early access to the entire season, follow and listen on apple podcasts.

So J M, N at the time was working on a documentary about the making of the one thousand nine seventy three horror film the exercise. Say, unlike the deal with weber, which you know gave a lot of individuals a lot of money for doing nothing yeah and since suggested that he worked with the lesson to tell their story for an even split of the profits. That's a much Better book deal, much Better deal.

So days later, the lots is ended their contract with weber, the proposed one, and eventually signed a new contract with answer by then. However, weber and hoffman has side contracts with good housekeeping in new york sunday news for articles about the less this experience in the house, one appearing in july one nine hundred and seventy six, the other in july one nine hundred and seventy seven. As a result, the lets is ended up suing weber and hofmann in civil court for the gate invasion of privacy, seeking four point five million dollars in damages.

You're going to have to show me those damages for point five million of you were even worth up before.

Are the damages in the room with us.

That's to the judge, the judge. Hello.

can you point to the damages so often in weber will in hofman, in weber countersuit alleging breach of contract and fraud? So maybe they don't sign actually. And they requested two million dollars in damages, which they now probably could have accounted for exactly.

So eventually, the court did dismiss georgian Cathy let's issued against wever in hofman. But by then, and since book had been published and had quickly become very, very successful, the book would actually go on to sell more than ten million copies worldwide. And it's bond, the hit adaptation and film, the one thousand nine hundred and seventy nine.

Amy horr, you know, i've never seen IT. It's wild. And IT had seven direct sequels as well as dozens of artificial films, which just, boy, is currently just bush walking his way through.

He like he's chest dy and empty, will see us. He's always and he's to be about this. He embarked on a journey .

that he didn't know all about.

You know, Caleb is a competition est. He does not like to have ask things. Once he starts something he's going to finish IT was a balls to the world ago so if you yeah he's really good for IT uh because as soon you can now use the amy bill name to like it's now open to you. So that's why people use IT to sell movies. Yes.

because you can't copy at a town name or something like that.

Yeah, it's like it's you you can use that so it's like people use IT ah the publication of essence book and all the films were a financial boom for the lots family course. But with the success in attention came a little Better scrutiny would say that would eventually uncover some inconsistently and cracks in the story. So the cover of jansen's book, the empty view horror, that's what it's like.

This is the original, includes qua, a bold subtitle, a true story. So this is implying that this is an a nonfiction book that's word. In fact, I mean, there was that claim that really was the success in the legacy of the books and films for a meeting, of course, creating a month.

And even today, nearly fifty years later, a lot of people believe is a very totally true story. But it's also understood that when an author and doubts are supposedly true story for a book or a movie, there will be elements woven in from, you know, the sake of reliability and continuity. You like fictional elements, some artistic license always says.

like based on a true story exactly that's .

what IT needs to say. But there is just said a .

true story yeah you .

guys say based yeah. The problem with anson spoke, however, was that included so many unbelievable and outrageous claims that IT was along before a lot of people wanted to see the evidence and support, you know, they were like, show me what? What makes this a completely true story? Because I don't know.

Now, the eddy with horror was released in mid september of one thousand nine seventy seven. And within a few months, journalists and skeptics around the world start of flooding and sence publisher prince hall and CoOperated with requests ranging from the whereabout, some of the lesson, or ref pechora o. The reference to the existence of evidence, directly contradicting the claims made by the book.

They were like, we want at all in the in an article for a news day published in november that year, investigative journalists took Better into their own hands when representatives from prentice hall refused to respond to requests for any of this or any questions. Or among the discoveries that remained were the local catholic diocese, quote, denied that psychic incidents and conversations, including clerical official site in the book, ever took place. So the catholics .

church is like, leave us the fog of your hauntings.

The catholic church is like, get the war is away from, get our, get our name on your dirty mouse .

they're doing like they're putting the warms in the freezer.

We will engage, which got to stop what engage in the dark, hurt.

fuck up.

I buy warms. They also found out neighbors and former and current residents of the house denied multiple key points of the story, including the amid the historical society denying that there was any evidence of the land having been used by the senior k tribe, whose ancestor land was quite a bit further east. That's so up like like that you guys were like through some indigenous near cause that spooky like, wow, you didn't think someone was gonna check .

up on no such .

a fucking dush bag and to use the emi val historical society y's name too, they're going to be like no like you don't think they are going to come forward and be like no fucker. That's our literal job that's shady to do yeah specially .

to like indigenous communities.

And what's funny er because I remember they claimed that while they were in the house they went to the historical society enjoying them to find out what was going on or a representative from the historical society. He confirmed that lets did join the historical society, but not until january twenty five, one thousand nine hundred seventy six, which was a few weeks after the flood the house, and a few weeks after was when they met William weber and started discussing all of the shit. So i'm sure there was discussion of why don't you join the historical society, find out some shit and then if you don't find .

out what you want to lie about.

just make that you know what .

yeah also, like I think you just said, you didn't think anyone was going to check up on that.

That's a thing they come on that always .

happens with people who lie though you're like you didn't think anyone was gna look .

into that that like the the society that you literally mentioned, my name is going to be like.

no yeah why won't you just say, like according to unnamed sources.

if you're gona lie do IT you named the society yet like dim? Now, at least two paraNormal investigation groups declined to investigate the house at the let's request quote, because of commercial promotion or lack of a deserve able data. So they were like, no, IT was very clear that they wanted to make this thing so we wouldn't investigate, which I was like, good integrity.

And I love an integrity.

I do too.

I love an interesting is what I look for now.

the new owners of the home, barbon James criminality, I hope I set their name, also spoke out, holding their own press conference to defend the reputation of their home in the memory of the the fail, nice barber told the group at the press conference, the house isn't haunted, it's beautiful and we love IT. Uh, the primaries were particularly critical of answers book and the letters telling reporters that their claims have drawn thousands of curious onlookers to drive by the house and even .

come onto the property, go to body.

Operate no. And barber said I was ridiculous and tragic for the surviving members of the the failed family and for the town. Yeah, they were made into goods.

And it's true now. Jay anson, the author, defended the book in the assertion that IT was a true story. He said, the way I approach the story, I left myself out of IT.

I did IT as a reporter so that by the end of the book, you believe, or you don't believe, these are the facts. This is what happened to the family. This is what happened to the priest. Now, the problem with anson and the lets his position there, that he just said that readers could make up their own minds about what happened that strongly suggests that, uh, he was not working with facts yeah, but instead he was working with subjective experiences that are um huh notoriously difficult to prove .

or disprove, which is why you can output a true story yeah.

if IT was a true story, you say this is truth yeah.

i'm that supporting .

fact and I came back at all up, but instead he's saying you either believe that you don't oh okay, I don't believe in that. Now, in fact, as news day pointed out, quote, differences between the lets version of events and uncertainty, facts crop up in the book from start to finish. When news day reporter spoke to the lessons neighbours on ocean, all of them denied noticing anything unusual happening in the house.

One neighbour said, if they did have problems, you'd think they would have come over and make some mention to the neighbours. In fact, James mali, who purchased the lets his former home after they moved to emty bill, visited the family at the new house a few weeks after they had moved in, by which time the book claimed they were under very heavy supernatural attack at this point. But James mali recalled that georgian cafe happily gave them hiatus of their new house.

At no time did they say anything. At no time did anything seem out of the ordinary. And likely when the primary family moved in a few months after the lots is fled, they found nothing out of the ordinary and there was no signs that the house had sustained any damage on the inside.

Which remember, they're claiming that hinders blew off hind's those crops around go and crazy. yeah. Well, IT would have been impossible to verify the lets, the story of their experience, since, you know, you can verify someone this personal experience.

No, there were a large number of people supposedly consulted during their stay in the house who could be an often war followed up with by reporters. In one of the book's most notorious moments, George let's described seeing his daughters imaginary from joy through a window. And when he went outside to investigate, he said he found a trail of huff tracks left in the snow.

Now, according to George, he called the police and he said sergeant pat commodo was dispatched to the house. Sergeant kerala, on the other hand, told the reporter that story was, quote, absolutely false. I was never on the property from the time of the the failed murder investigation until after the lets is left.

You can lie about the police.

They have kids, they have .

logs go low.

like you named to some poor guide in this.

like what the fuck and in an officer of the .

law of the light. Also, the weather report indicated there was no snow on the ground when George claimed to afford the tracks in the snow, nor had they're been any snow on the ground the week prior. George, George, and you can look at where reports my guy almost.

almost happier than .

he didn't though my down big old jokes. In another of the novels, most membership moments, reverent pechora, here's that disappoint voice tell him to get while these blessing the house. In fact, picker hours involvement in the story was one of the aspects that let the story a lot of credibility, that he is a priest. She's common and saying this is happening yet when he was called to testify in the lets is suit against weber pekao stated, quote, his only contact relating to this case was a telephone call from the loses regarding their psychic experiences but no, contrary to their repeated claims that those and those made in the empty view horr rever pecoraro never went to blessing lets his house.

I feel duped.

According to peak arara o, he referred George lots to the local parish saint Martin of tours, and suggested they speak with the priest there. But he said, but quote, the lets is neither called nor ever attended mass. Well, yeah.

because remember they weren't fuck in religious all .

in the claim that the priest, this is the priest that helped them when they were getting married debunked. They were married july fourth, one thousand nine seventy five. And during questioning George answered later that they met the press july fourteen th, one thousand nine hundred seventy five. And Cathy said they met him july thirty of one thousand seventy five over the phone.

You don't even to remember your fucking wedding .

date and then he said, no, no, i've only had contact with them over the phone.

White.

yeah, guy. So they can live in the day.

Do you think that because like, I mean, they left the house. Like do you think they got in over their heads?

I know exactly what happened here, and i'll tell you. okay. So the most discovery, I would say made during this time came from one of the book's original architects, William webber, who told people magazine in one thousand nine seventy nine, I know this book is a hoax.

We created this story over many bottles of wine that George lots was drinking. We are creating something that the public wanted to hear. Oh no. So I that .

he said we were creating public anted here, and allegedly IT could help my client exactly .

according to weather, the lets is created the story in an effort to get out of deep financial trouble because .

they bought a house that was like double their fucking Price.

because the house was a bargain and eighty thousand dollars, but not IT. But like you said, IT was almost twice the average home Price at the time, and twice what the lights .

lots is could afford. Mow always says a sale is not a sale.

If you can't, can't ford, exactly. And their mortgage wasn't their only expense. They also went a car, a motorcycle in two boats with the typical expenses i'm saying that are fuck and expensive, oh yeah, and long with the typical expenses that come from raising three children. I see everything, yeah three holidays ans run around. Yep, three lawle against their are expensive, super expensive and doing the same two boats.

S i'm sorry.

what I know. In simplest terms, the letters were living a lifestyle well beyond their means. yes. And IT didn't take long to realize they couldn't fucking afford all of IT in the book. That's why it's so strange that they decided to take this house on when they knew they can afford that mortgage.

So I think they went into this knowing what they could do.

I wonder, because once they found out I was the defame, how was I wonder if they said, well, we can turn this into something. I think they knew I was the defame. I don't know. Like you said.

they lived in new york.

Yeah.

it's just was national news. IT wasn't just like a little thing that happened .

in new york. Yeah, 那 the book deal with danson and the movie adaptation that followed were very lucrative IT， obviously. But the lexis didn't plan on things going badly between them in their original partners or the possibility that they were gonna sued.

You don't people in contract .

exactly contracts are shouldn't be fucked around with. So in fact, IT was webers frustration and animosity that LED him to expose the story in the first place because they fucked him over, and he continued to do so in the years that followed. I'm .

sorry.

Just pretty you like they fucked him over in a contract if he was like, okay, he said holds .

my beer he said .

up by my time and then i'm onna ruin your whole life in nineteen eighty eight, in fact. So he stuck out IT, because in nineteen seventy .

something he's.

he in eight. K oh, I feel that deep in my boat. Yes, know that I will be that person who has a graders y in the afterlife. And I will take on other people's .

graduate fun. I'd work in the counter.

I bet as far I got, we got this to get gradually, I would be William weapon in the scene to nineteen eighty eight. A decade later, I am still, still fucked in you over.

I got something to say.

He said he burned to the ground, burned all so in one thousand and eighty eight years later, he appears on the show, occurred to fair, where he elaborated, said, we took the real life incidents and transport SE them. In other words, IT was hoax. He's still, I love ninety eight. He's like, did I did I say IT loud enough for the people in the bed? IT wasn't IT was a hoax.

So the eddy vill hoax would be the subject of many court cases in the decade since publication, most having to do with money, but none as surprising as ronal the fails ninety ninety two attempt to use the claims as the basis for a petition for a new trial, which is the shady part of what came out of this. I can likely I didn't work, because by that time the fao had served fifteen years of his life sentence. But he believed the exposure of the emi will hooks entitled him to undue criminal trial.

He said, William weber gave me no choice. He told me I had to do this. He told me there would be a lot of money from book rights in a movie.

He would have me out a couple years, and I would come into all that money. The whole thing was a con, except for the crime. I mean, yeah, so that's the we laugh of our weber being like, petty is fuck about the loses.

But he was really shiny when he came to the defile case because he was trying to get him out on that yeah, which is not cool, which fucked that. So the legacy of the losses in the eddy vill horror, and like I said in the first episode with the debates, IT didn't work. Yeah, and get his new shit.

But the legacy of the letters in the evill horr has person persisted for nearly fifty years, and IT has LED two countless debates about fact fiction. What is real? What isn't what? What tends to get lost in all of that though, is the story about amee villa town itself.

Like um it's kind of taken on a life of its own, the myth of amy will IT. Like we said, it's a it's a seaside town. It's a small place, it's a nice place and it's really disrupted life for the residence there.

These people can tell the whole owners too, absolutely while, and then the loses and ed in the rain war and made millions from their supposedly quote, quote, true story. People like barber and James criminal, who owe the house in the residence of enemy eval, had to contend with thousands of people in paraNormal enthusiast to sending on their town every year. Yeah, that's no. It's kind of like salem during hello, I was just the people forget that people live there and that's their home.

And it's I think that would be one thing if people you know just like went passed by like that would be something but people act of food around like halloween and they act to fall around paraNormal stuff. It's like go if you want to go and be respectful, like to say one mersey, but like leave people's personal .

properties alone yeah that's a thing like you just got to be.

you got to be cool .

about that. You wanted look at IT. Move on yeah, like, but don't be weird. Don't thrup people's lives. Yeah, you know, it's not cool. Like, I don't know when the episode comes out because I never know where we are in space, in time. But sometime in october, it's in october.

So if you're going to sell them this month or not any time really because remember people of there, but especially during the halloween months when it's like really crazy there, just that's cool that people don't mind. I don't live there, but people don't mind, just be respectful to people live there. And it's it's a really cool place.

It's a really historical place. It's got a lot of heavy history and people live their year around and have their kids there. They are families there. And just like be cool to turn out to fool.

Don't be all so that .

they will not be all uncool. As you know, loan says counter and because you want to be able to go there every year and if that continues the way that has, they're going to be like fog, yo I I would blame them. Were neither.

So last summer, apparently, and this was in in one thousand nine hundred and seventy seven, barber told the reporters. Barber carara, the owner of house, said, last number, five thousand people trumped through here. They left trash everywhere, and even at pick nicks on the neighbor's laws, which if you're that kind of person, fuck you like, you get in to get what you doing.

having a pick on someone's fucking long.

Also, if you are one people, which you're not, if you're listening to the show because none of our listeners are are stupid, no, you're all great. But if you know someone lets like that, you got to tell them to go to bags and get themselves the family pack of fucking and shame because you have .

to know what you are going to tell these .

people to buy. You know, shame if you aren't, you need some like you need a healthy amount of human shame where you don't book on someone's long and have a picnic like that. You should when you don't have shame to that degree, you're borrowing or stopping a human. And you need to go fix that if you .

can't call your mom or like somebody you love and tell them what you did that don't do that.

Yeah, don't do that thing. Good call. Now, despite all the claims of supernatural salts and documentation of hopes and an endless creative tourists, the house said one twelve ocean avenue still stands and IT says, marketable as ever some of the subsequent owners, when far to renovate, removing the you, they finally remove the home's iconic dutchy windows to make IT less recognizable what to tourists um because they did those, they became the iconic and windows they looked like eyes. They were swot ky, yeah.

And other owners embrace the history and celebrated its place in horror history like, you know, you never know who you're going to get live in there. It's kind of like the the house on old street, the house from night night on ARM street, that house has had several owners over the years. The newest stoner, uh, does not embrace place in your door.

please fuck off.

which that's a place. There's a difference between a mass murder happening in a place, a real mass murder and a real hooks happening in one place. I feel like that's a place where it's just they got a different vibe.

But if you're buying the home street house, you know what you're going. You're buying the house from nine more ARM street. Yeah, come on, come on. No, you ta know you know I if .

people are just driving by cool people, quick I people just like kick them off. No.

nobody should be going on your property. That's no.

You if they're near your property.

like come on but you got to embrace that one well but not on property. I'm saying off property but in you. But that's a thing like with all these kind of houses in places, you're going to get people who embrace the the cookies ss and the wildness and the horror stuff you're going to get. Some people aren't as comfortable with that. I needed to respect regardless.

People's are very important.

yeah. Now in january twenty twenty three, the former to fail murder house sold for one point five million dollars, which was a one thousand seven hundred and seventy five percent increase from what George cafe lots paid in one thousand nine hundred hundred and seventy seven. Well, shit, pretty good increase then. I don't know how the newest 的 owners feel about IT。 So I think the safest thing is to assume they do not like the attention of that house and to leave them be, you let them live.

But everybody .

so far who has lived in that house has claimed that that house is not haunted in the way that IT has been portrayed.

And it's been fifty years. So so may be I think we're gone on sixty.

Maybe people have experience little things here and there. I wouldn't be shocked, not any means, but they have not you know, heard marching bands and been Carried off in the closets and such.

I wanted know whose idea was to add the marching band because that's .

just that's that's that's over zellers IT is in .

the the big of figure pointing. That's my favorite visual that I created for my cianci. I just picture him like to pointing and then when they didn't like started dancing, like he just gets on the ground and starts doing like a coffee grinder move and like.

okay, it's my turn and .

give in .

your turn on the other .

side he's like.

our right. It's going to cost you and judging, but less so. That is the story of the mid view hooks. Slot a tae what a tail.

It's when you really look at IT like overarching view, IT is really shitty what they did.

it's very shit.

It's like super shady and they did IT for their own personal gain, which is very shady yeah and when you think about like I forget, but somebody was like they're still like to fail family members and you turn them into goods like that's fuck.

They banged off in the defame tragedy, which is a horse that, I mean, we covered in the first episode. How bad that was. That was a horrific, horrific family and olah and and still has unanswered pieces of that. Like there's so much mystery surrounding that in and of itself. They banked on that and they also banked on a fictional burial ground ah locked up with .

that aspect yeah it's like I don't then they threw .

like john catch him into there yeah they really .

just ran in so many different direction damn.

you just dipped your fingers in the sale in which trials do like you really grabs it's like the try fact fucked up for real are you greet indigenous bari ground actual family annalisa in the sale in which trials you just grabs .

all three through in the stories .

tragedies everywhere yeah so yeah that's wild IT is a wild tae .

but it's spooky season so we got more of fucker and crazy s tales .

coming your way we do and enjoy them being orfer yeah I have.

Mention next, I think there's a polter guys to come and down the pike.

Ah yeah we got at all and then guys hang real tight because following all of this the next couple episodes you're getting Jerry brutal finish killer, oh no. So that one's gonna take us right back into the depths of hell.

Just going to make you feel real weird about putting your shoes on in the morning.

Sure will look come up, everybody if you don't know who is and anticipate that .

yeah we also have some special guest and me up coming. We're really yeah we have a lot of cool stuff coming out the pike. We do. I'm excited. And before spooky is and we're doing something a little extra fun for the listener tail, yes, but stay tuned for that cause we got some stuff in the works .

because that one falls on halloween, right? Yes, that one falls on halloween. So who knows you made will see what we .

have our .

sleeve who knows i'm so exact. I'm very excited. I can't wait.

So yeah um without that being sent me A P listening .

and we hope you keep yet we but not aware that .

you take an entire family's tragedy and like so many other tragedies throughout history and turn them into um a book for your own personal game. I just think that's a little bit chiny.

Yes not cool.

Not just to lie like if you experience something I did go off go crazy, that's IT. If you're going to lie about IT, you're just for .

and it's true no one likes this game. no. byebye.

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