Episode 527: The Murder of Mary Stannard
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Hey, weirdo, I mh malea and this, it's more bad.

I just like, like, like, okay, I can I just talk about myself as I never never I was going to say this is made instead of morbid because I went to like I think it's called a White elephant yeah secret. It's not like a secret time. It's like a White elephant.

Um and I got this sexy mermaid ornament, which I have pictured here. wow. Jee, just put them on the Christ's trees.

Are we sure are calling that a sexy mermaid or yeah, are we slightly disturbing sexy? Is this sexy movie? What do you think, Michael? Because you're never on my side, whatever.

He's my sexy permit in my heart. Okay, I got number one at the White elephant and I actually got to pick that out of the gift yeah well, they were silly gift. So I was the best one in my own.

Yeah, I wanted him. What did yankee swap the light? That was great.

That was. That was fantastic. I love you. I love IT. I never done like a silly swap before. And this one was like the silliest one than I ever did.

Silliest of all, the swap and my brother in law has a new finland and high Caroline and Michael, you were looking off into the distance when you said that. I thought, paralized, I just like to realized next to me I was like, right? Where are they? You don't see them back.

Are they in the room with us? Do not seeing. My brother is not put a bunch of about his his dog's hair into a bed.

He put like a sowing in in there. And he was like, big local newbaLance switch that D I Y there is like a half drink, a bottle of soda that somebody won. So yeah, I picked to the sexy mermaid.

All right? And what sexy? Where is sexy? Xy, yeah, I was going to say, this is mermaid. The moral. You have also been feeling IT because of so much talk of the sea is in a qua co.

Now we all, I think you guys to know me by now, we're like five years into this that I hyper fix. And when I hyper fix that, I really go hard on my hyperfine stations like john. John can feel them come.

He like, senses IT in the air. Yeah like he feels a vibration and he's like, what do you hypervisor is today? No, I can feel that for my house.

Sometimes i'm like she's got a new one, is a new one. My latest type fixations involve the sea alcohol, which i've been. I've been moving in that direction for a one ever, something against that.

Yeah, I I started long ago with the titanic. All got hyper a little bit. Everybody went for me. Second grade there. IT was like, when you could start reading articles on the computer and computer class, they would like teach you how to do that.

And I read a little like article, but the time second grade for you, yeah, what was child last year for? I was I was like, a good yeah, that was second grade that I was like, a big as computers yeah, mine was. When they brought, they called IT the big peace.

And I was like, a big piece of the titanic, oh my god. And we got to go see IT the and we getting you, you like, could literally, like put your hand. I don't think we should have touched IT, but we did.

Do you touch them? And I had, like of the port holes of circular windows because IT was even like a lower part of the ship was still intact in there. How old were you? Did you have representation with elementary school? And they just touched that.

Well, we just went the line and I would say my representation is not here. Yeah, I not touching not I mean, they were they did force to touch like they worked like touch IT. But I think we just say like this like I don't think I was part of the whole.

Can you suffer a greatness fortunes in your life now? good. I was. I touched that. I was like i'm going to touched that, but i'm not going going into the bottom, the sea and touch. No, that's that's different.

But that's where all begins released when you should have a healthy respect and fear of the ocean. Some of us don't get that. Yeah, most of us do.

And I then always said, I think you're all probably with me because I think everyone is you're on north sea tiktok, right? course. And so does that starts on like, well, i'm watching this to dian. Weirdly, I don't know what the fuck happened.

I got a north sea tiktok immediately after my wedding like I just started getting maybe I I had been on IT, so maybe my shifted over perhaps and then also make your phone heard me on north sea tiktok a lot that was like, he likes that's really part of IT. And then actually, I answered my own question on our honeymoon. We were really interested by the boats that we're coming and going to the point that drew literally downloaded a boats tracker, his phone.

And I be like, what's that one? What that I love you, but that's like, I gotta know who the who, the people that are working in the north? C, R, yeah.

Cause I keep seeing these videos. And like, are you? Are you? OK, I think what happened you like, I feel like that's like when you're like you're in trouble.

No, I think that no, that's like that's their job. That no. But like you should like you should be in trouble if you if you have to go to the north sea like that, be a unified.

And these are just like men and women who are like, this is my job. The best day at the office is swimming next to the biggest propeller you've ever seen in your life, while the sea wages around me and I fixed that propeller. I can't even hear that sentence.

I am like losing my marble, like i'm fixing this light underneath the the ocean while IT rages around me and to rounds me a hundred times and i'm like, I got I gotta shake one of your hands like I gotten just be like what you did. You see the one that I got the other day where they were like pushing the biggest ships and like the whole entire world out to sea for the first time that fucked me. Yeah, you know, I don't like the big thing, but you like structures.

Yes, I was me. I think IT was the north sea page put posted that well, here we go. Now if you guys are listening to this, I think i'm now gonna you be on the north y tiktok is your in devices are going to think, ah you're going to hear me talking about IT they're going to think that something you like so I honestly, you're welcome because it's a great place to be welcome and you will find yourself being .

like you in the last clip will shock always.

always you know, I love so hard and usually does so the whole thing shocks. Usually it's the first clip for me and like, I feel you should at school to end. But you know what? Luckily my story is on land today.

I know I say luckily, but it's not a really lucky story on land. It's a pretty terrible, but it's on land so we're out of the sea. Um we have we have a little bit of old timmy crime here.

But my goodness, is there a lot happening here is an old tmc croma. This is the murder of mary standard. I looked out to pronunciation to say, because I thought I was start at first, but it's standard.

I could see why you would think that now, on the afternoon of september third, eighteen seventy, eth eight, twenty two year old mary standard left her home in medicine. Connect, cut. What's up? Connect cut A C, telling her father he was going to go blackberry picking because that's very eighteen hundreds connected.

I love SHE said he was back by dark, and I worry about IT. And knight came and mary had not returned. So her father went out to look for her and eventually found her body by a creek in the woods.

Her father found her body and IT horrifically. The investigation into her murder was truly wild. I mean, way, there's a, there's a preacher involved.

There's a adult ter and illicit affair is a possible pregnant seat. There's all kinds of things and IT remains technically unsolved to this day, allegedly, but IT doesn't. allegedly.

yeah. I mean, they are done that everybody is that? yeah.

And also, when you hear this, you're gonna. Yeah, yes. Yeah, yeah. I could tell me by the game in your eye over there that this is, this is is happening.

This is the most of all of such a good word as a good mouth IT cious. So let's talk about mary. Okay, mary Elizabeth standard was born september third.

I don't know if that sounds familiar to you. yeah. SHE SHE died on her birthday.

Oh god. September third, eighteen and fifty six. In medicine, connected, we love of her.

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Yes, I have a version date. My answer. go. I go in my chart. I'm sure I do somewhere.

But medicine itself was a small town of about fifteen hundred residents on the southeastern coast, along the long island sound. Not a ton is known about her life prior to becoming an adult. Because IT was the eighteen hundred. SHE was living a pretty by, by those standards, unremarkable life. Know this is a very Normal, just average life but there at the time he was killed, mary was living at home with her father again.

He was twenty two um her father was Charles starred no, I said that the way I wanted to say at first standard standard and SHE was also living with her steps the Susan holy and marries two year old son William okay, uh, there's very little information about mary's mother, but several newer newspaper articles claim that mary's, quote, mother and grandmother were insane oh, that's sad from the heartful current okay. Now mary had given birth to a child's William. SHE was unmarried.

And in the eighteen hundreds, that's already kind of a little little black mark there. And he was also refusing to name the child's father. Okay, so there were rumors around town that the father was a married man in a nearby town.

And when you find out what happens later, you like, go. But this meant that mary was not held in the highest of social regards. yeah.

But shockingly, and this is pretty shocking for this, SHE wasn't a complete para. SHE was considered a quote, quote, fAllen women by those who at that time were trying to claim their own shit. And sting, moral superior orty shit know was, like, rap is rampant.

Everybody transport that. The shit doesn't think what they wanted. Shit on someone, correct? But so SHE gave birth to what they considered. And I hate the term illegal a child because it's like, that's a child yeah, but they're pretty legit. I see them. And although that kind of thing was undesirable, especially back then, most residents actually believed, quote, in their estimation, SHE had been more sin against than singing wow.

And he was generally treated fairly with a reasonable amount of respect considering like SHE wasn't again held in high social regard but he was not treated shady like as shady as you've seen in the weve seen in other cases where it's yeah he might as well be like throne in the river at that point one hundred percent yeah. But like many royal people, especially at the time, mary was poor, SHE was uneducated, but generally SHE. Everybody thought he was very cheerful.

SHE was friendly. SHE was a very hard worker. And IT was said that he was, quote, ready at any time to do any labor, no matter how meaning that would result in her being able to contribute to the family fund that herself and child should not become a burden.

So she's kind of like a boss bitch who's going to work hard for herself and her family. That's what i'm going. He's she's got that and he seems nice.

She's friendly. She's cheerful. You know, SHE had a little hoops like situation. I don't know if I was a married man.

That was the rumor and you know, rumors and know he got wild because he seemed happy. SHE was a great mom and he was like a little film. And SHE had a great dad stuff and mom and everything that was going to a take clever.

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Now again, had he gone past her twenty two years, he would have probably gone on lead a pretty, you, fairly average life like Young. Unfortunately, he had to come in meat, revert herbert hadden in the summer of eighteen seventy eight. I'm gonna go out on a limb here.

He sounds like a dish. Herbert haden, haden, not interested. Well, let's talk about him.

Shall we? So shall we. Herbert haden was born in eighteen fifty and talton, mass.

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like everyone just love that. Girl, girl by list. I used to look there.

I can say that I don't longer to. Yeah, he was born top. My god, my friends easily call me taught nash.

I would get math. The taught, not at all. That's where harbert hate and came here.

But at the time, thorn was actually a thriving milltown was like gorda ton and he, you know, haden spent harbert haden spent. I had a very ordinary childhood in a very modest home, very Normal. In eighteen sixty nine, he attended the providence conference seminary in east grandage road island.

And around this time, hadden met rosa shaw, who was a school teacher from cover massu te cover for each other. You know, the school teacher, that guy go into, you know, a seminar. ary.

Jess, jesus fell for each other, and the two became engaged and eventually married in one thousand nine hundred seventy one. Is that a loud? In one thousand nine, seven, one, eighty and seventy one to marry.

I was like, sure, sure, sure. Can you even get cool back? The and fifty see moral? Yeah there's certain there's all kinds of different like I think it's certain like certain pastors can get married.

I think it's all different o okay like I press can't different like depth of spiritual leaders, not even steps. I think it's certain like offshoots like IT depends on your religion, that depends on your congregation, that depends on your you're place. So many logistics yeah there's a lot of different things.

I don't know all of them, but I know that this in particular was okay OK. Um now, according to herbert hadden, just one year before they were married, rosa lost her mother and her sister to the berk los is oh, and her doctor predicted rosa might also success to that disease within the year. But he recommended maybe a change of scenery to a less polluted environment just to help out okay, because I am a aren't town of course the courses.

So the couple ended up marrying an August night, eighteen seventy one, like I said, not like we're going to do that again. I was a hundred years later, implements master tues. Let's go see that.

But they went to return to east straange so hadden could continue his education, and he was a good place for rose and to kind like chill out for a and over the course of two years that followed uh their marriage rosa gave birth to two children and well herbert continued his education, completing his seminal ary training in the spring of eighteen seventy three. Um he graduated from the conference seminary and then enrolled at was I think it's Willy and college and don't right in connect cut yeah totally and rose s state home and race the kids. Hadden really wanted to complete the program, but the workload in his part time minister like minister duties, essentially became a little too much for him to handle.

And he began a long battle with really extreme fatigue that kind of prevented him from keeping up with the studies like he just couldn't keep up with them all. He was run itself into the ground out of six semesters. He only completed about two semesters worth of work.

So he really is down. He really gave up quarter now. He accepted that he was no longer going to be able to meet all his responsiblities. So he dropped out.

And in eighteen seventy five, he accepted a part time position preaching on sundays at the church in west rocky hill connect t got a that was a small community between heartful d and middle. The position at rocky hill was supposed to just feel like kind of a temporary thing. Um he intended to kind of part laid into something more a long term but this worked for now um because he was helping to pay the bills.

So like one, it's in your your line of work that you wanted do. And after one year rocky hills, he was transferred again to rockland and then transferred again in eight hundred and seventy seven, this time to replace the minister at a church and road connectivity. So the position in monroe was had Better pay, and IT seemed like you could really turn into something more permanent.

But there was a problem. IT was nearly fifty miles from his home. And rocket, oh, shit, that's that's a far drive, yeah.

And especially in a contract. So IT made sense for herbert to spend the majority of this week in mono to kind handle church business. And you know, not have to do that commute all the time.

So this left rosa, though, at home alone with the kids a lot. And again, this position held promise for herbert's career. But IT meant rosa was left alone. And like, that's a lot to put on her.

And I was like, five or six days out of the week, shoes completely alone yeah that's putting a lot of distance in between them as a married yeah SHE was he was of recovering from like almost having tuberculosis anyways. So she's already like kind of dealing with stuff and the loss of her mom and sister, yeah she's dealing with grief. All that stuff in the stressed and anxiety were starting to make her ill at this point.

And because of this, the couple, because he had this new job, decided that they were gone to hire someone to help her around the house with the kids. And so they hired a Young woman, and this Young woman was mary standard. SHE was, he lived on a farm with her father, just a few houses down from the hatton.

So worked out. Now, by late eighteen seventy seven, mary had moved into the haden's house was working like five or six days a week with them, like just, you know, helping with the kids, keeping the house, like helping with meals. And SHE was even more necessary to the family. One, at the end of the year, rosa became pregnant again with their third child. Oh, wow.

And although he was very much an in dispensable part of the household as far as rosa was concerned, by march eighteen seventy eight several residents of mono began noticing that are, although rose are founder indefensible IT seemed like harbert really liked mary, who was coming home more often within a few weeks of her being hired on a full time by the hatton quote, there were scandalous stories of meetings and lots and other unfrequented places in the evening where herbert mary would be alone. IT was unconfirmed, of course, but later I kind of was. But there was a popular story shared around town that one evening haden to talk his wife out for an oyster did, and halfway through the meal, he excused himself briefly to return home, where he was, quote, guilty of improper intimacy with mary.

Before driving back to the restaurant, you take your wife out for oysters and then your rag dy s goes home to your mistress are you kidding me ah that is there implications already ah and then you go home because the offer dji acted and then you go, fuck you must the fun no the mystery that taking care of our kids yeah say and no now and then and then poor rose is sit there after these he acted up yeah and with done with where to SHE should bird sex? No IT also should be said right away that as far as anyone knew, the attraction between mary and herbert was mutual, and they had a very consensual, really like. And again, this is shocking for the time, few people really thought badly of mary for her participation in the affair.

And actually, when I came to responsibility for the infidelities, many are in town, noted that mary, and in this might have been part of IT. I think because I was really shocked to see that everybody wasn't blaming her. Yeah, not because I think they should just blame her, but because that usually the way IT goes, actually a meeting friends like that.

Now, yeah, it's like in the was like you don't even break an eyes. Of course, this is all. But apparently mary was very easily influenced by others and was likely very suitable to hate these charms.

Because in fact, when I came to marry IT seems like everyone kind of had a fondness for her because they deemed her, quote, a very simple and easy minded girl. Okay, now that doesn't necessarily mean he was like cognitively. You know that like cognitively, anything was wrong here.

I think that just means that he was like an innocent. She's innocent. SHE kind of grow uneducated. He is not very worldly yeah and she's very easily influenced to manipulated and I think, yeah and so I think people were like a little easier to forget, like quicker to forgive her know her social missteps, so should say. But herbert hadden denied the affair with mary and intakes his innocence until the day he died.

So where the did you go during that of a day? So we'll never know what caused their fair to eventually come to an end, which I did, will we? Whatever the case, by late spring, their romance had died out. And when rosa gave birth to the couple of third child in August, and remember, he was Carrying the song while his rice was pregnant, yeah, mary had moved out of the hidden house and stop working for them.

I wonder why we don't know.

Do I wonder, do you think, rose, I caught wind of something. I was like, he, you get the fuck out of here. Yeah, i'll see. okay.

He ended up moving in with James studying near red in nearby girlfriend IT was jane studying a friend to whom, uh, mary first confided this affair? OK, okay. After two, about two weeks of moving into the home, jay noticed that mary seemed very responded.

SHE was like super emotional. SHE could be set off a lot easier. And he was not typical of mary treen.

And so when jane ask what's wrong with her, mary broke down and confessed that he and hadden had been having an affair and that he had been, quote, criminally intimate with the reference, and now believe he was pregnant. I was going to say there was emotion. Yes, having mini.

Yeah, to me that would be a fucking awesome. Bme are mini. That's fucking great.

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Criminally intimate would be a great, but I would pick that up and never put IT down. Listen up. Book talk.

That's your next book. Criminally intimate. I shouldn't tell anybody that I know everyone you don't really write smart. I do not criminally intimate is a smart book yeah I give credit to smart, right? There's because like, I don't know if I could no, I feel I feel in the face.

I know like i'm a good for you, man, because I could not see in our working to somebody y's mind there so like shout out to smart authors yeah but jane herself had some medical knowledge and and SHE definitely knew. I am not sure exactly how I like he had so much medical knowledge, but he knew a lot about pregNancy. Maybe he was a middle for new midway, some kind of interest in IT bejan examined mary, and SHE said he found, quote, too well recognized signs of preggers.

Um the text that we found this in isn't super specific about IT, but together the two women did the mouth and determine that mary was about five months pregnant five months yeah and this fell in the time frame that mary and herbert were Carrying on an affair dam that's pretty far along. yes. So although SHE was known to be what, like I said earlier, people thought of her as a woman of lower than average elect.

Uh, mary knew giving birth to another child out of word lock with a married man made preach no less, was about as undesirable in a current that he could imagine. Like this was default, not a good thing. And not only would IT be a significant and unavoidable once of shame at the time, and probably alter, really end a lot of her relationships with family and friends a bigger yeah, but IT would also be just another what he considered undo burden on her father, who was also also struggling and was trying to keep, you know, her and her son a float.

So he was feeling like he was becoming an issue, which is sad. Mary, so desperate for a solution. James suggested that mary go to herbert haden to explain the circumstances and ask for his help, basically reasoning that he would have to be just as invested in dealing with this. And SHE was like, you have to come up with a solution here, you would think, and marry you, that this was a good idea. But before doing that, SHE SAT down to write a letter to her sister Susan, and included in the envelope another letter that was intended to be given to herbert hadden.

In the letter, berry told her sister Susan about the affair, the possible pregNancy, and asked that he gave the letter to her but them now, according to marry the letter he wrote to hate him with a similar explanation in a request that he take her to new haven quote for an Operation and then to return her to miss steadily for any sickness that might follow. Okay, now, mary male, the letter to her sister in rock land, and he got IT two days later. But by then mary had returned home to her father's house and intercepted her sister before he gave the letter to hate him because he was like, I want to give him to him in person actually, okay, she's changed her mind.

yeah. Now, a little after one pm, on september third, eighteen seventy eight, or twenty second birthday, h mary standard gathered up her tin pal and left the house. He told her father he was gonna to big rock about a quarter mile from the house to pick blackberries and SHE would be home. Soon that afternoon, the sun went down. IT was getting darker and Charles standard standard became concerned he shan't come back.

That wasn't like her um and so he set out in the direction of big rock to find out where he had gone and as he made his way through the brush into the clearing by big rock, Charles made the grim discovery mary was lying on her back with her arms fold in neetly across her chest SHE had a clean White bond that he was wearing when he left and IT was folded neily beneath her head and her tin pale was just a few feet away overturned but there was no evidence that any barriers had ever been in IT so SHE didn't even make IT there. And so Charles ran to her and quickly realized that he was not going to be able to bring her back. Mary's throat had been cut several ing the juggling game corroded artery and the learning oh my god he cut, yeah.

Deep SHE also had a severe headwind. There was a hole in her scalp, what? And there was also a large Bruce on the back of her right hand.

Oh my god. So he was brutalize absolutely. So Charles freaked out, ran to the nearest home for help, that of Francis mills. And the news spread across the village very quickly. And before a long, a group of men had assembled at the mill's house, and they set out for the scene.

They discovered mary's body in the woods, who were child had told them, and a quick search of the area turned up, no, no thing else really of note. Um no instrument of murder. No, no instrument like because this seems like there was two different things to use, like something to cut her throat and probably important instrument that hitter in the skull, either one was found.

And because I was nearly completely dark at that point, at this point, and actually started to rain, all the men called off the search for the evening and just Carried marryland body back to the standard out home before sending for justice henery stone and doctor ruth matheson. Doctor matheson was the one who performed the autopsy. In his post modern examination.

Doctor matheson confirmed that married cause of death was pretty certainly that wounded her throw. yeah. He also noted the wound to the right side of the head, and he said, quote, jagged and star shaped, and apparently made by implant instrument.

Truly interesting, though, is that, according to doctor matheson, mary's boy showed no signs of pregNancy or of having been recently pregnant. Interesting in the state of the body indicated, quote, an outrage was not committed upon her. So no sexual assault.

Okay, so SHE was not pregnant, so this all could have been avoided. IT sounds like, yeah, horrifying. now. A coroners inquest was immediately called the following day, and he was overseen by justice stone and doctor Matthews. Among the first witness called was Francis mills, who is the owner home, or Charles standard had run to after discovering mary's body, and mills told the jury that he had been walking out in the woods earlier with her son around three pm in the afternoon and heard a gonigal ships and recognize the voice of mary standards, but didn't approach the scene and didn't see anything. So you heard agonized tricks and you like we didn't tell anyone go about them.

I got just go leave like, I understand I wanting to like run in the like, you know, to put your son in harms way and all yeah you to tell anyone like hair heard some should the one like we should probably check that out he really said, not my chair, not my problem really did. But mills testimony LED many in the inquest to speculate that SHE quote might have been outraged by, and this is a quote by a tramp and then murdered. Now doctor Matthew said, however, dismissed that theory and reminded the jury there was no evidence of sexual assault.

SHE was not outraged. And okay, now, almost immediately after the body was discovered, rumors started swirling around town about herbert haden's possible connection to this murder. After all, for the past year, there have been a lot to talk about the illicit romance between the two.

yeah. And then mary's employment with the havens had ended rather abruptly. But IT was mary sister Susan holy and Charles standard, her father, who offered the most insightful of testimonies, I would say.

Now, according to both of them, reverent hadden had come to their home around eleven A M on the morning of the murder, but he was in town, and he and mary had gone out for a walk. When they returned, mary told them both that they had made an appointment to meet later that afternoon, not far from where the body was discovered. Additional testimony from Susan and gene studdy revealed that mary had confessed affair with haden to both of them and that he believed herself to be pregnant with herbert haden's child.

Now when asked about this, herbert haden denied having met with married a second time that day, he said he had been out cutting wood all afternoon all by himself, and didn't see marry again until he and the others, one to the ones to retreat body. What a great idea, by a great alibi is one that no one can find one I I alone, by mysell all day, secluded pbt. Now, after hearing two days of testimony.

Header, Charles dennard, who are standard, no relation. By the way, I know Charles standard is her father. This is head jar.

Charles standard, who is not related. That's crazy. He went to justice.

h. Hb, wilcox. Hb, walcot's, I have feelings. Oh, I have feelings. sorry. Hb, yes, he's the just o OK. And so this head, this header, requested that in a restaurant and be issued for hadden heberden.

The the request stunned justice wilcox, who was a member of haden's church instead girl by, he said, he insisted, he said he had, quote, heard head and preach a very good sermon. IT did not seem possible the minister could be guilty, and he would rather sign his own death warrant than that arrest warrant against mister hatem blink. Now, luckily against his protest, the arrest warrant was signed by friday morning.

And to share, because they were like, fuck off. Well, also, do you think that would be like, like, you know how jerks got dismissed for being too close to the key? And when you think that would be a conflict, yeah, back then, I don't think conflict.

I think they like whatever as most, because IT gets worse. I had a feeling. So a sharp deputy went out to medicine. I don't know why. What are still went to medicine in place, turbot hadden under arrest for the murder of mary standard.

Although the evidence against hadden was at this point pretty circumstantial and opinions kind of heavily IT were influenced by rumor at this point. Yeah, belief in his guilt was pretty widespread. One reporter that, yeah, one reporter wrote, the circumstances of the murder was so overwhelming against the clergy men that surprise was expressed that he was not at once placing custody.

And the reporter then wrote of his guilt. As the case appears now, there can be very little doubt, and IT looks as if he was LED through fright to commit the crime of murder and yet did IT in such inso bungling a manner as to make IT almost impossible for him to escape suspicion and arrest. So they are like this book native like that.

Essentially what they're say on now, the public, and the very least the press, might have been very confident and hated skill at the time. But far more important in this case was the judges opinion. And in this case, the judge on the case was justice H.

B. wilcock. Feeling our friend, and also a friend in staunch advocate of her, bert and innocence, which seems seems fine, seems so left, call anyone else literally, and go outside the first guy, you see.

And I think that will be Better. Come on. The trial begins september tenth and was held in the basement of the medicine to town hall.

And he was a space described as, quote, low ceiling, stiffing, dirty room, almost a seller. Why don't they have a course? You know, the eighteen hundred folk.

So, judge, come over this basement and let's judge this man. Judge h. land.

Harrison was acting on behalf of the state, while L. M. Huber, the local postmaster, was acting on behalf of haden.

That's really close. Were really, they were widely back them. Now wilcox again was the presiding justice and IT should be noted that although he had legal training.

He had no trial experience. Sounds, where are we? Sounds like this is a well oiled machine. I think it's going to turn out fine. Yeah, everything will be great.

So the rumors about herbert haden affair with mary went a long way to people drawing conclusions about his guilt, but that wasn't the soul, or even the most important reason he was arrested. Actually, IT was the testimony from Susan holy and Charles standard regarding hadden supposed an appointment with mary on the day of her murder. That was the most suspicious.

And in her testimony and the fact that he didn't have an alibi, his alibi was like, I was shopping what alone in the forest, right? Can you get me a bear to tell the lake CoOperate? this? No, no, no, I can't.

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Now um so in her testimony during the inquest, armed during the first trial, Susan holy her her sister explained that after mary's first visit with haden on the day of her murder, her sister claimed that he had told hadden of the supposed to pregNancy so in that first meeting where they took a walk, SHE had revealed to her berta that he was pragmatic and he told her not to worry that they would go to the pharmacy in getting quote, quick medicine that would end the pregNancy now further testimony from other residents confirmed that hadden had gone to the pharmacy on the morning of the murder and purchased a quantity of arco ic quick medicine.

I bet I don't know. I would call IT medicine percy now, during his testimony, hating said, well, of course I did that my house in barn are overrun with rats. I D purchase the arcade to make mix with sugar and kill the rats.

And however, he insisted he had not yet used the arctic ic. He hadn't used that to go routes. And as far as he knew, he was still in the package in his barn. So so I not even open and made sure to say that, which I was like that wasn't smart because we can get out later. Now the second piece of compelling evidence was a bloody knife that they discovered during the search of herbert haddens property.

Did he also use that on the rats? Following his arrest, authorities searched his home in the adjacent barn, where they discovered a bloody knife about the size and shape of that which was believed to have made the wound in mary's neck that you brought that home the night the knife was sent to MC White, a professor pathology at yelp dc school, who conducted extensive tests on the blood. I love this because its very eighteen hundred years because it's like I went to yell university, they they conducted extensive test on the blood, just like what he said was I think it's human blood that's so extension and I didn't just make that up.

That's a fucking quote from the new york times. In eighteen seventy eight, when he was called to testify, professor weight confirmed that he was blood and he told the prosecuting attorney quote, I think it's human blood. I was feeling I was like, i'm like, I get to the eighty hundreds. I'm surprised they could tell her was blood and not jelly.

But like, still why? IT explained that he had made a similar examination of the bloodstains found on marries bond, that pure White bond that you want, and those discovered on a large stone found near the body, and said, he quote, had no doubt that this blood on the stone was human blood, so he could definitely tell that that was human. But a few days later, herbert haden's wife, rosa, took the stand to testify for the defense, controls the court.

When her husband went out that afternoon to chop wood, he left the knife in question with her quote to use in peeling pairs while he was away. How these pair, in the meantime, according the road, I just chairs, I think human, pretty, a human pair and and professor wait is like, i'll do some extensive testing and i'll be able to tell you that I too think that might be human, me thinks. Now, according to rosa herbert hate and had cut his finger with that a few days prior to the burger, and that likely explained the blood on the blade.

But you were going to use that to cut here. I know it's like that grows. And now additional testimony was provided by the defence's own expert, professor lj sanford, who gave extensive testimony regarding the testing process.

And IT all did little to explain the presence of the blood, like how I got there. But he was long winded and complicated enough to raise doubts in in a professor Whites testimony. yeah.

So he just confused the jury. That was his whole I M. He was like, science, science sence, science, biology, biology, biology.

I know what that is. And at the same time that testimony was being given in the court. H and Harrison lobbies to have mary's body this centered and have the wound and stomach be examined more.

Thereby, Harrison's request came in light of the fact that not only had the knife been discovered in the barn and can now be compared to the wound, they're like we need to get her back so we can compare IT. Um but also after the prosecution learned from that, hate had purchased a large quantity of arcon ic poison from the local pharmacy just days before the murder. The defense objected strongly because they were like, we can now test your stomach contents and defense was like, no and they were like, why though? And they were like his his pressure.

He can't afford additional legal fees that we're going to a crew while the state puts the hold on the case to exam an exam in the body and judge wilcox, being a friend and having no sympathy orphanage for the prosecution, agreed with the defense and refuse to pause the case but he said, you can exclude i'm just not passing the case so we might find him innocent while you're doing your test so while you figure out like indubitably that he did this wow yeah wow now so they're not to post the case could get to the end of IT before they even get married out of the ground and try make these like literally the smoking gun discovery right? But he's like antica. During the inquest in the first trial, a great deal of information came to late that the prosecution really believed warranted further investigation before or any court could reasonably determine guilt, innocence.

And where we're having a lot of stuff come out that like you do need to pause so we can go through all this. And this included, like we said, an examination of mary's body to examine stomach contents and that neck, and as well as several statements and claims relating to the knife and to hate his whereabout ts on the afternoon of the murder, he was just too much coming out that was like, this is shady now, judge wilcox, however, he said, that's great. yeah.

He refused again to adjournment the case to allow the further investigation. And on september nineteen eighty and eighty seven, wilcox announced that he had heard enough he was an even to let him keep going. According to wilcox, a close friend and defender of the accused, to remember, the prosecution had presented a largely circumstantial case that was easily explained away by the defense regarding the knife.

He, wilcox said, quote, he himself had at that moment a knife in his pocket, which must have been full of blood, resembling human, for he had recently killed a dog with IT, and a dog were at to resemble thought of a human being. This man killed a dog, and we're listening to this fucker. Why did he kill a dog with a knife? Book this guy, this guy, George will fuck you.

Why is that? There been like, this guy's fine. He's in, he's innocence. Don't give a shit. I'm not going to listen anything. Also, I have a knife in my pocket that I fucking murdered a dog with, so I could also be a murder.

It's why do we put your ass on trial then? What the fucker you do series killing dogs out here in these streets, the first cream court at this point. Well then somewhere else, this sucks.

Teen hundred ds of the but wilcox went on to say that mrs. mrs. Haden rosa hadn testimony was further proof of hadn innocence because, quote, he didn't think he would tell a falsehood to save her husband from the gallow.

I don't think, like, go to bed, judge wilcox, go to your room. Shut up. It's you.

This woman, won't you don't think she'll get on the stand and tell a falsehood to save her husband and father of her children, father of a father of her three children, whom he needs him to provide like for you're you're like, what what lies a religious woman? He's like, secret secrets are no fun. I don't think you would do that.

Just like, why? Like everybody who in all these men, where are you just sitting there going on? Yeah, absolutely.

He SHE pink est ward to me that he tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth. We speech shock on IT SHE SHE flashed a peace sign. And I thought that was really great. So you think that the word should you ve heard the last thing that i'm going to tell you, i'm not even there yet, but the last thing I will tell you if this thing is going to blow your fucking my out of here now the court wilcox told the crowd assembled in the courtroom, let me say from the test ready?

No, no, I let me say from the testimony, given that if I were a sure of heaven, an eternal policy, as I am of this man, that this man is guiltless of the crime of killing mary east standard, I should rest content. So he's saying, if I was, I am more, I am more sure that this man is innocent of this crime, then I am that heaven exists. Wow, cool.

I would rest content if I was assured that haven't exist, as I am sure of his innocence. And it's like, what in this guy, what's he got on you like, fuck go and on what was happening because like you see, are you too having are you true having in a fair with pretrail ted to the week? Because he just like this, I love him.

I mean, and it's and there are literally like, here's the bloody knife found in his bar me too, I body knives. Like it's just like you aren't shut up like you're up it's real body nives we all got like, no, no, no, I don't know about this brother. He's wild. And with that, the charges against her, bert hadden, were discharged and he was allowed to leave the court of free man the fuck.

Now, at the time of herbert hadn arrest, public opinion was generally he had killed mary standard and gotten a way with after being told that he was pregnant and everybody thought um the prosecution offered a strong and compelling case that presented motive, her prevent, cy in their fair means, the bloody knife discovered in the barn, his barn and opportunity, the appointment in the woods literally laid out motive, means and opportunity clearly for every right. And they had a wealth of damaging testimony to go along with IT. But he bought arsenic more, the defense on the, and presented a rebuttal that included basically some monkey scientific jargon that they probably pulled out of their ass, but mostly relied on the assertion that hadden simply couldn't have done this because he's a minister and his wife wouldn't lie totally.

That's literally the case they rested on, no, you're not. This guy is a minister or preacher and his wife, she's so pretty sult lie yeah, that's IT. And they were like, sounds good and like the prosecutions, like we have literally the perfect case. So sorry, did the jury even make the decision or the he was done, heard. And again, what one of those arguments is clearly and objectively much stronger than the other.

The charges were nonetheless dismissed by a judge who from the very start was convinced of hate and innocence and not only resented even having to preside over this case in the first place, but resented the prosecutor for what he believed was an unjust, just and fucked up attack on his friend and a beloved pressure of the town. So while the charges against and war dismissed at the time, iceland Harrison remained convinced of his guilt. Yeah, that's the prosecution.

He was like, fuck that. Like, I know this is true. And he refused to let wilcoxes bullshit decision, bias decision prevent him from continuing to pursue the case. Like, good on him.

He believed that mary statement to her sister about, quote, quick medicine referred to the arsenic purchased by hadden on the morning of the murder agreed, and Harrison arranged for mary's body to be exhumed. Ed, he was like, fuck that. I'm still gonna.

Look, i'm going to still do this investigation. Yeah, because the family deserves to know what I double, what happened and not content to leave the second examination up to the count, the county doctor, he was like, I don't trust anybody in this fucking place. A Y.

Rison arranged for the second post moral examination to be conducted by pathologist MC White and sw. Johnson, the chair of the chemistry department, also from yell to the two yell pytho gy professors, he was like them. In the examination of the contents of mary stomach, the pathologist discovered, quote, a mass of the absorb arsonists, which they claimed was, quote, enough arthenay to kill the whole community of rocklin.

Oh my god, they found the arctic ic in her stomach. They found all of the arts onic and her stomach, and then he slit her throat as well. Yes, by White and Johnson s estimation, there were roughly fifty or sixty grams of arcon ic and mary stomach.

But SHE had likely injured ted more, and some had already been absorbed prior to her death. Oh my god, IT doesn't take a ton of arco ic to kill an average size at all. I looked IT up in great.

Like the FBI is probably like coming to my door tomorrow. Like can you see in grams at the low end of the dosage point? One, four, five grams can be lethal, widen.

And i'm sorry, how much was in her fifty or sixty grams? And they believe there was more that had already been absorbed, that is, and that's on the low end of the dots dosage. But even one point point one four five can be lethal, and that is less than only one eighth of a teaspoon is a lethal.

Those holy shit, yeah, yeah. I am just reading now. And he was during the this second autopsy that another surprising revelation was made relating to marryland belief that he was pregnant, although there was still no evidence to suggest the chief recently had been pregnant.

okay. During the examination of her reproductive organs, the pathologists discovered several ovarian ists, which they said explained, quote, had only mimic the symptoms of early pregNancy. So that explained, they said, that's why SHE believed he was pregnant.

IT wasn't her making IT up, right? Because that there was another thing that was starting, oh, SHE made the shut up to keep him to, like, take him away from his way. And they were like, no, no, SHE was experiencing symptoms that at that time point, especially mr.

PregNancy, and they weren't out. How were they detail? You just go off of symptoms spect that yeah.

And the argument that he was saying that he was pregnant because he wanted to keep him stupid because SHE literally had written the letter where he was like, I don't want to do this. I don't know what to do. Like i'm going to be shut. Like this is like i'm actually to do again.

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Now, when White and Johnson reported their findings back to Harrison, he took their support, their report to superior court judge hitchcock cover. I was like, there's GTA be another cork. Because this, what is jane I D like to trade IT in? They immediately issued a warrant for habitants arrest again, and he was taken into custody by share of deputies and delivered to a cell at the jail and jail house and new haven.

The following day, reporters noted that as he was being transported to the jail quote, hadden was as smiling and talk tive is on the day of his trial because he thought he was like, i'm not then not gonna me. Who could not? Not me.

In between the dismissal of charges and his arrest, haden had managed to gain considerable sympathy from the residence of particularly those in his congress, and of course, who viewed him as a victim of an overseas as prosecutor. And after the first trial ended, the congregation passed, quote, resolutions of unqualified and continued respect for brother hadden as a man and minister, among other things. The resolutions claimed, quote, his later rest was made on the most criminally frivolous grounds.

IT was therefore a great outrage upon him in society at large. And IT noted that his arrest was due only two, quote, wicked designs of evil men. And the resolution closed with a pledge by the congregation to continue their unconditional emotional and financial support.

Unconditional, you say, so this man, can that entire invest the congregation into also paying to support him through this murder trial, where he is so fucking guilty in his outrage? He's a decal. Now, the general support for hate was pretty hard, and the resolution was specifically kind of signal that there was a huge shift in what was gonna en here before.

I was like, pretty broad that everybody was like, yeah, he did this. Yeah, he makes sense. Like, here's the motive, here's the means, here's the opportunity either like he might have done this, but we don't give a for everybody y's like, no, I think you guys just mean no way like god.

So in that because everybody's now reframing hated as a highest and morally righteous victim. And what was essentially described as a battle between good enable now, are you fucking where he is good? He told her evil for sure.

And as such, herbert haden entered into a second trial for the murder of mary, and as a kind of up like voco in a victim of a government system determined to pin a murder on him that he did not commit. I know, why do you have arthenay in your possession and SHE got IT in your stomach? You went to go at that morning.

I need to more about, I know it's coming back and now, well, hate in certain jail waiting the second trial, Harrison, in a small group of investigators, continued building their case of against him. The examination and second autopsy had not only allowed them to confirm the arctic ic and mary stomach, but also meant that they could take a sample so they could compare IT to something. And the problem was, however, that hating claimed he had seen that packet of our an extension y purchased in and the initial search of the barn had turned up at the arcon ic, yes, because IT was all fucking gone now upon rearrest.

And remember, he said, I never even opened up right? Remember that information that he had never opened that could age now upon rearrest, they searched the bar in a second time, and the arcade was located only after the defense ended up having to give specific instructions as to where I could be found. So hidden as well, the pack of arco ic from the barn was turned over to see and White for analysis and was confirmed to be opened and to have the same chemical structure as what was discovered in mary stomach.

You'd come on and IT was fucked in. IT was hidden, hidden and opened when this man that I never opened IT and is just sitting in my barn. And as the same chemical structure as the kind of my stomach, and was bugging sixty grim, missing pretty much. So for a variety of reasons unrelated to the case, hadden's trial was actually delayed or repeatedly and nearly a year past before the second trial even began in early november eighty eighty eight.

And during the first trial, witnesses for the prosecution like Susan holy and je you know um je studying, they were all kind of regarded with sympathy because they had just lost a loved one, you know, go some way, you Charles standard, they were all treated very nicely this time. However, the public opinion had saade in herbertson favor, remember, and the public, including the judge and defense attorneys, had no sympathy for anyone that they believed he was participating in the persecution of this minister. On the hit, standing in the press, witnesses like Susan holy in Charles standard were blitzed in court, portrayed to be ignorant labors of low intelligence.

Now, wow. Herbert haden, on the other hand, was held up of a man of culture and strong moral and religious character, while his wife rosa was treated as though he were the real victim here, having been rob of her husson for so long. Baby, he robed you of him, yeah, he robed a woman of her whole fucking in life.

And William of his mother, exactly and Charles of his daughter yeah in Susan of his sister in as he had done the first time around, Harris presented the jury with a strong case built on scientific evidence in witness testimony. Science establish they're like science. I don't know. No, I don't know her.

He established the relationship between haden and mary, were reminded them of the motive in the case, and more importantly, gave incredibly compelling evidence that connected mary's deaths to the arsonist and the knife discovered in herbert haden barn, right? And I was the scientific evidence that was the linchpin of the entire case. And Harry went out of his way to include expert testimony from several pathologists at yale, many of whom recreated their experiments in the courtroom before the judgin jury, just to make IT like drive at home.

Unfortunately, while such scientific evidence might seem irrefutable, able to us now to a thousand nine century jury in the confusing, like in this whole case, which crafts this confusing stream of jargon and strange looking lab instruments, ts, that were brought in, just confused the hell. And according to one press report at the time, this is wild og note. At one time during the examination, five germen who had finished their inspection were reading newspapers, which were spread out before them, but no one imagined they were reading reports about the trial.

They're just reading newspaper as well. This is happening. Come on like, yeah, you can make that sheet beven worse.

When I came to the argument from the defense, hadden's lawyer Samuel Jones presented more or less the same case that was during the first trial, the strong scientific evidence presented by the prosecution was treated that IT was like IT was mystic. Gibi h furthers muddying the jury's understanding of the arsenic analysis. He just confused them more.

And also, their defense rested largely unhasting and supposed strong moral character and that of his wife. And they, and then they made sure to say that the victim and her family were just ignorant farmers and made poor choices and were poor, had poor character. I cannot and remember herbert cheated on his wife.

I do remember that, but we're holding him as the strong moral character. But of course, but like this man is in meeting to meeting with mary to discuss the affair and possible pregNancy, but they're holding him up as the moral character. And just like santoni is mother fucker up here? yes.

Yeah, yeah. In fact, during Charles standards testimony, the defense focus considerable attention on marries illegitimate child William and quote and quote illegitimate child, and even made attempts to establish that mary herself had been born out of wedlock, implying that not only was the witness immoral, but also couldn't be trusted. So now they're like Charles, how he were you married when mary was born? Maybe she's an legitimate child.

So that makes you fucking and growth and we can't trust you anymore. And what does that have to do with anything like that's not why we're here and they had no nothing to no basis exactly. So rather than prove his client's innocence, Jones just cast suspicions on someone else. He just decided to throw out on someone else.

Benjamin Stevens, a neighbor of the standards who occasionally did work for Charles standard just out of the left at their home, sometimes just decided to off marry, unlike the morally righteous and upstanding herbert hadden, who was fucking his snana behind his wife's back, by the way, and had hidden arson within his possession and a bloody knife. Stevens was a poor farmer who was known to protect the drink, at times heavily. That happened.

It's the eighteen hundreds would come on with a lot to do. Let's drink. Also, Stevens had been seen leaving the house just after mary did on the day of the murder, and had no l for the rest of the afternoon that anybody could confirm.

Broker a. Jones also pointed out that I could have just as easily been Charles standard who committed the murder. Wow, that's vote up.

Go to prevent the repetition of the disGrace that at once before falling upon the family from the same source, ow saying from the same source, the same source being memory his own fucking child that's so fucked up to be clear, there was not one fucking shred of evidence to suggest either of these men had anything to do with mary is Jones was just sowing the seed of doubt, just a fuck with the jury because that's all he had, right? He didn't have anything to prove his client was innocent. No, everything proved his guilt.

There is not one thread of evidence besides rosa sitting on the fucking standard, mean, like the murder, someone cutting peach and city, and that's all he has. So his only way of doing this as to just go those two could done IT like I could done IT you done IT but like I don't have arsenate in my position or a bloody knife fugen was while now, after more than two months, the trial finally reached closing arguments on january thirteen and eight eighty. Lyn Harrison reiterated his case for the jury, emphasizing that fearing his reputation would be ruined should the affair and pregNancy be made public, hadden had a very strong motive to kill mary, and the weapons used in the murder were found in his fucking home with blood on them.

Quote, the experts had shown that arcon ic was found in the brain of the murdered girl and that IT must have reached there before death. Harrison reminded the courtroom. Quote, IT was also shown that hadden was the only man who was known to have arcon ic in rockland that entire day that could have killed an entire fucking village of people and that he bought IT secretly yeah.

He secretly bought IT and then said, I was never opened and then IT was, and then IT was hidden in his closing arguments. On the other side, Jones focused on hate and supposedly upstanding character, and again, cast dispersion on Benjamin Stevens. Quote, if haden had killed the girl, IT was most strange that no blood was found on his clothing.

But IT was found on a knife in his possession, you dumb fuck. And also, what clothing, we don't know what clothing he was wearing that day. He could have got rid of thing, jone's remarked in statement, quote then Stevens denial that he committed should have no weight.

As he had been contradicted in material parts of his testimony. He is referring to an earlier part of the trial when Stevens testimony was chAllenged by a witness for the defense. And that's IT IT wasn't IT wasn't like contradicted, right? They chAllenged IT, right? With no basis, which is the same thing that's happening to your clients.

But with basis, the jury deliberated for nearly four days before finally reporting that they had become hopelessly deadlock. Fucker, you deadlocked. Eleven jurors were in favor of a quitter le one was a hold out that was committed to hate and skilled one. What certain that they would not reach a verdict if the jury returned for further deliberation, the judge declared a mistier and herbert hadden walked free. No, the prosecution briefly considered regime the case because they were like, this is blocked.

Are you guys kidding me? But there was exorbitant costs in two trials alone in the fact that they had already presented a perfect place, compelling case they possibly could yeah aside from having like some just omnium naratu that that could come in and be like, hi, I was watching the whole thing. They didn't have see a point to try and a third time they like he's just going to be allowed to walk free and were exhausted.

This family is now being torn to surrender now. Now we put them through a second trial. And now people are blaming her father choosing them. We're not going to put him through that again. no.

Now in both trials, the jury, wade, what was very clear evidence of hate s guilt, and chose instead to absorb him of everything, all wrongdoing, rather than chAllenge their beliefs about class and respectability. At the time I want to know about this, that was like wrong. Well, and haden may have escaped criminal penalty.

He didn't escape consequences all together. Okay, well, that's good to hear. Following the declaration of a mistral, herbert hadden was stripped of his credentials and banned from preaching all together.

Oh, wow, i'm surprised. Sounds to me like people knew what was the truth. yeah. Sounds to me like after hearing that trial that there was really no denying IT. I'm so surprised by that that the jury was like, no way.

No, no, no, not at all and now they're like, but then like somebody was like, no clear did you and like the higher up here are reaching to us more like, so no longer a pillar of the community and held up as this righteous, righteous, moral god for all of them. He and rosa moved to new heaven, where they lived until his death in one thousand and seven. wow.

Now in nineteen fourteen, thirty three years after that second trial, the hartford current interviewed the last living member of the jury, stop IT. So his same as horus Perry. And he was asked, what was your rationale voting to a quit herbert hadden of the charge cause? Was he one of the eleven? I don't think you whether he was one of the eleven, but they assumed he was.

I think they're just like, clearly there was like what was going the conversation that day. Perry explained, oh my god, that throughout the trial rosa haden had been sitting in front of the jury and was, quote, a very beautiful Young woman, as far as the majority of the jury was concerned. Quote, from the day the trial opened until the last ballot was cast, their view had been, how can we convict a man with a beautiful Young life like that? And that is the end of the fucking story.

How can we convict a man because we wanna fuck his wife? That is the end of that story. I'm going to go run over my microphone really fast.

I I quit fourteen. This man. This horrible mister Perry said, you wanna know why we didn't listen to a thread of the fucking evidence that was presented to us. His wife was hot and he was sitting in front of us.

What the fuck does that have to do? I, with anything, when I tell you my soul launched into orbit, no, no, this this will be my last pod cause it's been a great run. Are you fucking and like, buy most of the jury wanted a fuck his wife so we could not convict him.

That is essentially what that man just said. No, that is what he's what i'm i'm am on another am on a new level. That is what his wife was beautiful.

So not even like his wife was so beautiful. We thought to ourselves like how he'd never cheats on her. So this is ridiculous that you'd even be involved with that woman killed. It's like, yeah, maybe he killed her, his wife super hot.

Also, when you think that's why you would want to convictism, you could step on in there, be like, hi baby course saying, convict that, convict a man who was a hard guys like that, like that. Are you joking me? Do do you know what rosa looked like because I like this rendition.

I don't even know, but I like, let me see i'll be the fuck and judged that I am just how gorgeous was SHE the fuck maryland man rose in front of that jury I am are you joking me without words to be honest no, that's i'm telling like that bye that's why I was like just you fuck and weight like you don't think it's going yeah worse exciting to function for the rest of this day. Are you kidding me? I'm saying i'm I got I was looking up to see if I could find rosa.

It's hard to watch some beautiful nobody ever took a photograph of her because they were scared. Oh my god. Oh, that I mean, there's an artist for addition, but I don't know this is correct.

It's gonna like something. Let's see IT. I'll be the judge, the jury.

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