MBW 947: The Mullet of Macs - M4 Mac mini, iPod, Home Hub
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This is mac break weekly episode nine hundred forty seven, recorded tuesday in november twelve, twenty twenty four. The mullet of max. It's time for mac break weekly.

The show we covered the ladies news from apple. This is the I get over here, the new mac mini version. It's a little bit smaller.

never. Jason snell is here for six colors that com. Hi Jason.

Hi leo.

How's going? It's going and really good now that I have my the tiny computer.

small mac ever.

smallest mac. Is that the small st. c.

It's the latest, I think the latest .

man ever IT feels it's little big and heavy to me. I don't know. I know a way to me.

This is in IT. That's the dio. yeah. Now imagine people.

you're .

actually use those things. What about the pills? The pills on the White eyes .

god it's Andrew and not co of a not codd com. I'm assuming it's Andrew was IT IT could be on the day of which I don't know .

is that Andrew it's .

always been .

andy just Candy yeah and there's yeah I will know my my birth certificate name is Andrew but it's like always always been andy maybe because my dad was also andy. I've sometimes wondered why how some names are shortened as a default where no one I I have a cousin drew hello drew uh but I don't but it's like no one ever considered like calling me drew, yeah, forward, i'm grateful because yeah, no, I like you. I would have to return to a lot of toles at this point.

also with this Alexander, linsey Alexander.

such a long name.

alexandrines O I O, media and office hours global. And you get the the woods, the women's out it's IT is chilly isn't .

yeah love IT it's it's back to my season so I I get six months of of hell and six months of amazing. You like a cool well.

yeah. Well, here we are gathered together. We is very little to talk about. And did anybody I got like this?

This is okay. So I just everybody will be three o'clock in the afternoon today.

Drinks, drinks IT. I did. I drinks IT. I did get the a new mac. Many I have had gone the through the extensive .

testing that you get.

I got the top of line. I got the best. The only thing I didn't go crazy on is ten gigg a bit ethernet.

The drives fee, in case you wondering, is screaming. J son issues a friend of mine. H he has the top of the line one. And I just asked me, you run a drive speed test. It's like over six gigs a second.

Yeah, here's here's my black magic speed test results from IT pigged. What's weird, it's time with this with Jason about this before the show is it's pigged the right at six point six giga bites gigabytes, not bits gig bites per second. The read is slower, five point three gig by it's not Normally in an s sd and readers faster than right.

I think there's its I O constrained or something I made. It's plenty fast enough. Five point the gig bites the second red speed but IT should be faster, shorter than the right speed.

IT usually is um but for whatever reason it's not but it's it's still faster than off. It's red speed is faster than my max studio and its right speed is much, much faster. So no, I don't even know what you would use the right speed at that speed.

I mean because I will say the right speed typically is more important to us because got much big files, right you want to. But IT also means that when you are um if you're compressing something or writing something, that means that writing to drive will be extremely fast. That makes a difference. Like if you're dating compressor, then you've got a big file. The drive speed is everything and that's really where all the time isn't spent.

So ah definitely and and also the technical review had a nice little detail that if you went for the cheapest storage a segment to and fifty six gigs that spread across two modules and they said this now it's is faster than a single module. So is a vange for going cheap like this?

This is a picture of IT. I don't have IT IT tooked up. I'm using IT, but I did take a picture of with a boot for size just so you'd put one hundred nief is the old studio IT is a really cute little do hickey. I, yes, so .

adorable. I I really like the idea of like someone was after the power button gate let's call IT someone we're saying, well, yeah, but if you've got IT mounted like at the edge of your death underneath, like if it's a perfect place, I think they're being serious about IT two and actually looking at IT, i'm like, okay, well, that's very plausible because there's no you're not blocking any ir events.

You will have like reports like right and funny, you like for the ones you actually need. IT will reduce desktop clutter. I mean, this is IT looks like a hub wherever you put IT that's going to be it's going to be so much fun to play with this just where all all the ways that i've configured my desk over the years to accommodate a CPU.

And now it's like, oh, well, I have a power brick now that is bigger than the CPU. There's gonna, the hub of my entire. My entire does .

stop what I mean. You could always, so I said, running up, turn upside down and then the parrots on the top and the cooling would be Better. And the blue tooth wifi ile have a Better access to the air. And if you know, if you inevitably .

use IT as a coastal, which any what surfacing your desk is and you spill something to you, but definitely do that.

I mounted my max studio, one of my desk, when I got the m one max studio. And it's great because it's invisible. And between hubs and federal cables, like i'm running a federal cable straight to my monitor. But so that's one cable in the you can attached things to the ports on the back, the monitor, you can also have hub and things under your desk.

I'm a big fan of the idea of like if you can do a set up under your desk, then you can have all these things, all these wires and pure falls and stuff under there and you will never see them and in the scenario um it's exactly right that you end up with if if it's suspended basically under your desk, the airflow is at the bottom, the power button is successive. It's all just kind of right there. It's it's a pretty good way to live and this will be even Better.

I'm waiting for the aftermarket things to do that first.

First, we'll be the third prints on ET. They'll be the companies that can afford to do a run of actual plastic at a factory and then they'll be the ones who cut the metal versions of them. It'll be a little bit nicer. And I watched that all happen because i'm actually my max studio is suspended with a lucite mount that was meant for the old mac mini, excuse me, and a hard drive.

yeah, fits. So I use and and I have all my computer set up to restarted power loss. So as a result, I um I have hit the button on my mac. I've had I have four mac mines here and putting another one in for something else um and they are all stacked up. So having on the bottom be inconvenient for me for the two times that have done the last right two years, two years. And I was trying to remember us like, I can't remember when I ever use that powerful ly, because usually IT comes with me the only time I need the power supply when I move things around, reflux everything in and and when I do that.

they're all come right back up again. And and that's pretty the great jaws way. And john Turners were interviewed by chinese content creator on Billy Billy and pretty much said, what was the most logical thing, which is that a we didn't think was a big deal because people rarely need a power ycl the back anyway.

And also kind of like what we were indicating, like last week before the button has to go somewhere. And especially when you're making something smaller, packaging become such an issue that IT goes where you can fit the power button. And there there certainly we engineer everything to make a go from the farm of the side, especially if they once again think that is not something you're gonna to access much. Anyway, I me even on my intel, my intel mac mini, there is a power button, but it's like, so blended into the court, the back corner of IT that I almost can I reach out to try to feel that I almost can't feel IT. So power button on max has never been something that there have been really innovative in or desire red to innovative in.

Jason is IT quiet is just, I haven't heard mine the fan.

Come on, I well, dan ord review that ones so he's got IT he said he, he and I had the whole like, is there thing in there? And there absolutely is. But IT is very quiet.

I think they sent him the non pro model. And if it's anything like we've seen with other systems in apple silicon, the you really need the the pro model and then you need to kick the GPU and probably the CPU. And even then, like is there much fan noise? And remember the arizona max studio, uh, had a bit of fan noise, but they quiet IT down.

And I think that um it's there, but you basically came here. You'd have to work really hard to hear IT at all. You hold a dear warm, hold you your ear like it's a shell or something like that's what you'd .

have to do if i'm .

playing a game. Although haven't noticed that I was a little warm when I was first transfering everything over from the m one max studio. A little warm, not hot by any means. I know I think it's pretty limit. It's you know sometimes when you have something that small, you you have heat problems, but I think this thing is hazard and i'm sure the studio will be even visitor.

There's another detail from the rs review on that point where with the m four power books, mac books and also the new mac many, they've added high power mode to these models as well, not just like the the house models before so that that's the all aware if they're saying, well, I rew IT we need high performance but we don't care about the noise, will keep do as best we'll be Scotty in the injured room yeah screaming about OK. It's barely containing IT right now but i've gotten we've got twelve seconds before were poor bria I nice I .

took the sixteen inch book pro, which has the for pro processor, and I put IT in the hypocrites de. And for those who know know hypotenuse de is literally just run the fans as hard as you need to. That's all IT is IT doesn't. Change the chip except in the sense that the chip doesn't throat at the point where with others SE, they they are willing to do a certain level of throttle to keep the the laptop, you're in this case, the bus stop quiet. But hy power mode exists to basically, I don't care how how to gets just run of as fast as you can.

And if you are on a production on on site or you're trying to record a voice over or something being able to throat all IT down, you don't need all the speed, but you need to keep running and so and not make a lot of annoying. So it's a it's a good little search cap there.

although I have to say, I think was times hardware that noted in their benchmark that the high power mode didn't really make IT that much faster. It's fine.

Well, so it's it's a question of how you measure and and the people over the time scatter are very smart. Um but I would say I haven't seen that test to what what happens is to really measure performance. If you if you take IT in high power mode versus not, it's about a lot of heat over a long time because you need to get IT to thorough.

And first of, these systems are really hard to throat anyway. I mean, in some cases, I found you really gotto kill the GPU and the CPU simultaneously in order to get so much heat in that system that IT says I got a slow down and then you put IT in high. So hypotenuse de is intended to just never get there.

Um I would imagine that there is a difference. But again, I mean, hypotenuse de is weird like you probably shouldn't use IT right like you but I suppose you really need to get that like, yeah I mean, you're you're right. You can take much more, captain to use the Scotty metaphor again, you probably shouldn't use IT.

But what I like about know they have had various scandals about throttling and all of that. I think that they finally decided, look, if you don't like throttle, fine, fine. We will crank up the fan.

Yeah, and I will be annoying, but you will get because I was able to get that fan and be reallowed on the macbook pro when I was playing a game. And by great like if you want that, you can choose to have IT, but by default, it's going to run the fan a little quieter and throat when he needs to and that's fine. You you get to choose.

It's nice that they give you the choice, right? I think that was a problem with their gold pho, sophy, a few years ago about charging battery levels, power levels and throttle. And all that is that apple is inclined, by its nature, to hide those things from the user.

And they got called out. And so they are like, all right, we're going to set some default, but it's up to you to decide if you want to charge your battery to one hundred percent and if you want the fans to come on or if you want us to throttle. And so so it's it's a funny feature.

High power mode is right. It's it's intentionally contrasting with the low power mode when you're battery is running out. But it's there if you want to hear something noise.

it's great. It's likely that the benchMarks that the you don't really chAllenge a high paramount because they're short.

Yeah.

the bench is pretty good because cna bench.

i'm sorry that we're really in the weeds now in terms of bed marking tools like a fast chip is going to run the benchmark fast and therefore, it'll peak and then it'll come down, which tells you something about peak performance, but that doesn't necessarily tell you about a sustained job, right? So sya bench is different in that.

First off, by default, I mean, you can get a navan score with a one past, but what they want you to do by defauts run for ten minutes. And there's also basically an in this mode and where IT just keeps going. And that can be really useful because what you want to see is what happens after ten minutes of running IT, after ten minutes of high test kill in the GPU, where it's presumably heated up a lot and is struggling to cool itself.

How fast is IT then? Which tells you something different than what it's like after a minute IT. Really does a geek bench is grade, but then a bench, especially if you extended out, can tell you more because that will run a long time.

And that sometimes, like I did this when I was reviewing the macbook avers as the macbook pro, right? Because the m four macbook pro and the m three before IT IT has a fan and the air doesn't have a fan, ironically, given the name air anyway. And you have to run that test. You have to run test for a long time to see the separation between those two systems because that's when the fan helps. And then you can see that it's a little faster when it's got a fan.

So ander, cutting him says best apple's best mac minis ever, right? I mean, that's not saying a lot. I mean because it's always the best iphone.

the net computer ever.

Never about .

backwards. The butterfly.

he's very step backwards. The touch farm, maybe a step backwards. So so maybe not the .

but but I think this is the case that this is more than just the best ever. This is like I was really .

you I think IT appeals to a broader section of the market than ever before.

a higher end .

because IT reaches yeah I mean, like apple keep shaving off like who even needs a mac studio, let alone a mac pro this point like that, that m for approach is so strong IT IT has taken such a leap forward in so many ways in terms of performance that like between that anima c book pro as well, like do you need more than the road chip? I mean, if you need lots and lots and lots of GPU cores, like you can get twice many on the max chips.

So that's okay, right? But like I don't know, like you're we're just slicing at thinner and thinner and thinner where like IT used to be, the mac mini was kind of underpowered. I could use a mac me, well, i'll put IT in a closet as a server.

But i'm not not me. I'm not gonna touch IT because it's dirty consuming. Like now if you need A A computer on your desk like and you're even approach doing video and stuff unless you're at a super high level, like how many people need the power beyond the m four pro? IT is in the mac mini like it's it's .

all there for most .

people now fault man and .

I ticked that that yeah with that that's like IT really comes down to like if you're running if you're running research models, uh, data models, weather models, that you need A A and an obscene amount of memory system memory, that's when you go for the pro. Everything else though, why would even bother you?

I mean, and either put in perspective the new mac, many supports up to three monitors right at all levels, I believe. And you're talking about being able to take a mac mini and put three four k monitors. It's actually two displays up to six k and one up to four k or whatever.

But three, four month on IT get a hawaii or whatever ARM. And now you have three of these monitors around you with this tiny little computer, and that still costs less than a than a imac. So now you have this huge and on a real estate um that is is one little computer. This is ninety five percent of the market. I mean, this is just the five ninety nine version that came out of four ninety nine of eu is ninety ninety five percent of the market right .

there is part of IT is because apple has now started at sixteen gigs of RAM and that IT well now I will tell .

the entry level, this still is good. I I eight of the game once and they're working great. You know I know like I will say that I mean, for average person, there's a we can't run, but I open photoshop on them. I do a lots of things. So I don't I mean, sixteen greeks is obviously a huge jump up. But the a gig for a lot of the stuff that the average person does, and even for me running zoom and all kinds of other things like lots of zoo m, like sixteen channels of zone or eight out of zoom has been working on A A gig mac money. So so it's it's pretty mazing also .

I mean at look, the reason I mention that is because apple charges kind of an exorbitant mim for both RAM and storage. And so the base model, which is sixteen giggs around and five twelve eggs of storage is the low Price, but that's probably good enough for most people. Yeah I say nineteen .

nineteen ninety to ninety five percent of their market.

especially since he has A A high speed external port that you can attach external storage RAM, you can put attach a story also.

I think IT is critically important that the minimum bian for mac remains at five ninety nine, four ninety nine for education. So i'm very much in favor apple doing whatever they have to do to the minimal skill to make sure that, that doesn't change. And again, that's the minimum of of money you can put you can walk in with the apple store with and walk out with a working mac. And that's always been one the most attractive things about about the mac. Many and I I highly .

recommend people thinking about, I mean, someone who's had lots of all the different apple that products that out there really think about mac mini because you know having a able to have your monitor. And then when you want to swap out the computer, you're not paying for another monitor. When you go to a new imac, you're paying for a one another monitor that you may may not need with a mac.

Many in the reason I have so many of as I stack up, I connected into lots of different monitors. And when I buy new and i'm only buying the processor and the can connectivity, i'm not buying all the other things that are required. And it's just it's such a great platform to do that. And I have mac mines that are ten years old in my system. They're doing something that managing keys, they are aging something else just and when someone was asking me like what happens when you need to repair or like i've never had to repair that many ever like ever let .

me correct myself ma cans telling me the base model two fifty six cakes storage is that enough the .

end where based model, let's fine you even that's enough even to stall base a base array of apps on if you're running photoshop, if you're doing if you're doing video editing and you want assets to be as close to cp was. Possible maybe not, but that's not everybody. Again, as A I would need to I really want to. Mac, I only have x amount dollars. I've got thousand dollars to spend the entire system, and I can't afford to spend a thousand dollars on the mica alone that's permanently find.

And think about this kids in the thinking about taking your ipad to library or your photo library and putting IT on a external l yeah stores which you should do anyway yeah but but the but putting on that external source because a lot of us have collections that are much larger than two hundred feet of gigs. So so that that might be where you start to those .

it's those store germs that might be a problem.

Well, about five is going to get you real close, but still not not as fast, but real close. And you could but it's more expensive or right. But I think the question is, like andy said, fast storage is the real important part here.

If you need to add video, right, you want that on the device or you're going have to pay for very expensive fast storage that's external. But like a lot of stuff like alex is photo library like that doesn't need to be super fast. You just need to be hang off. You buy a samsung s sd on amazon and and if it's under your desk, you literally just developed to the back autom me for your desk. I've got one in there.

It's just talked in to the little loose ite thing with my max studio only and you don't even remember that it's there and that's and that's a lot cheaper on board storage um and yeah my server is a two fifty sex m two base model and yeah i've got a rate attached to IT that's that's got like twenty term. It's a date on that. But like all I need on the device is enough to like have some apps and documents and almost everything else has been relocated to external storage.

And it's fine IT really depends on on what you're doing. But unless it's superfast storage, that's what I keep telling people, is like I know the storage is expensive. But unless you've got big final cut projects or something like that on there, you you know that you need the speed of IT. You just you know you can get low storage and then buy SSD and attached, and it's fine.

I mean this is a this is a crucial to tabby uh x ten pro. I've got a bunch of these um and I think that IT is right now two hundred two hundred and seventeen dollars and it's two gigs per second you know to the um yeah now if I middle if you're writing for IT, once he goes over, about forty percent of its capacity starts to slow down but when IT when you're writing to IT continually um I can do that but for the most part, like your photo library, all the stuff that you might want to do this is a .

little add on to that other world computing has started off a pretty order for a about five to dock .

would IT be good and expensive but good .

yeah I have there thought, pull three dog that exactly .

just like that. I have the RAID .

that's my RAID on my server is yeah and I haven't to rate for m to raise so that should be pretty fast, although it's not thunder able five I guess .

not of i've got thunder able three discarded with them. And let me tell you IT is the drives that are the problem. No connection, right? Like drives because they're spinning desk still and there's just not like there's more band with a thoughtful needs. So o it's all just that they are fast enough.

then about five cables you will be required. But I know there only twenty dollars for the short ones product. Get three of those.

right? The short tones that are they only chips, right? There's sure ones are passive .

cables and long ones. Why they have the ship to and you go to a meter twice as much.

And the one that i'm waiting for is this one, which is, this is the O W C. This is the m two, or whatever I have yeah yeah this at doesn't on there yeah with with the or whatever are. I mean, you can go to thirty two terabytes little box and .

it's silent. De RAID is like a popcorn pop that is always going in my house. And I like, I love you. I love that i've got twenty terribles or whatever in there, but the day is gonna and it's onna cost and I don't like how much it's gonna, which is why I haven't done yet.

But I cannot wait for the day where I can bring my server back into my office with me because IT doesn't sound like a popular, popular or a percussion or but right now it's in a closet somewhere where I can still hear IT, but at least it's sort of quiet and yeah, the day is a fast SSD storage everywhere. And that's there my last spitting hard drives in my life. And I hate them and I want them to go away. But they holds so much data for me to kill them yet.

Yeah, the m the this is the the O W C is good, and we're not, by the way, O, O, W, C is not. I wish they were advertising any money.

but there are .

on top this .

if you're .

they're taking my money.

but not calm as their website just go there but like they do my stuff, nobody else really makes that is designed for apple use.

Oh.

there you go, a thunder five S S, D, six gigs per second be cheap.

but it's gonna fast.

yeah. Is four hundred .

day ago that so you .

could get to two fifty six gig? You could and and get that. And again.

a lot of times when you're buying those, I mean, when i'm buying them, i'm buying them as blue. So they're specific to do something like i'm work on a project next next year if IT goes through or buy one hundred of these, but i'm going to buy the very basic ones and stick them in places where they need to work. So they are basically edged compute for me to do a bunch of things all over the U.

S. But the point is, is that this changes because they are so small and so powerful for the base unit. I think the base unit, the highest value, you know and and it's the um it's got the most um bang for your book.

And I think that if you can keep IT in that area, you you really just have an incredible uh opportunity to to know. I just a lot of things change for us when that one came out, when we saw the actual spects, like what can I actually do? We heard about that.

We heard rumors. We know what our current magnets can do. And this one is it's one of those times when the computer jumped a cup, what feels like a couple of .

versions forward yeah yeah .

is a revolution. This wasn't by no means incremental if they just put like if they had just put in him for into the old package and said bob is uncle IT would be nice and the Price is onderstand power profile is wonderful.

But this really does feel like they took an opportunity to say, well, look, we've had the same box for how many years now what can we do given how much we know about how, again, packaging optimization and the fact that a smaller I mean, it's not as though you can feel the extra oxygen in the room that the smaller one, these places, but there's something about IT that just says this is something I don't know. I don't know how to put IT that well, but there's something that that's OK not just a new version of the same box. This is IT feels a little bit more exciting. And for even if you just spending the six hundred dollars, that should be exciting.

The best apple devices have personality. The bond blue imac had personality. The g four. I M.

Still, I think the greatest mac as an object that they've .

yeah and this is in the category of something you look at and go, oh, I mean, it's not a luck intel's been making those ducks for what this is not a duck. There's something very beautiful about. It's beautiful, right?

And just again, the raw horse power for the dollar is just incredible. IT is beautiful.

but I I think that amazing part of is its performance .

is not just pretty. We know IT is incredible amount of a horse town in one place.

is there? okay? So this has become the new mac, many love face and have no, no negatives so far about IT.

Are there any power something that's a sign .

right when the gate is the power button place? Maybe pretty good here. I'll give you all. I'll take a run at IT ports, right?

So it's got I.

U S B C ports, which is nice, but but the na are gone, which is fine. Like I think we're all over that. So what i'll say about that because I think it's worth saying is you know hubs and docks and things are out there that are pretty good.

And again, if you are if you are attaching this a display, right, it's got to have a display. Um your display probably has ports on the back. So one thing you could do if if you want to have extra stuff put in attached to your display or if this is under your desk or whatever, uh, you know, you can change in a bunch of different hubs down there.

So it's a solvable problem in a way that I know apple, all of apple photos are right, like it's a perfectly a macular desk with just this computer and two cables can can see that. But like realistically, um you can get as many ports as you want and with thunder USB c it's very uh it's very flexible. They can be sort of whatever speed you need them to be.

I have a cheap amazon USB a dock under my desk and like it's it's crappy, but I like lets me charge some stuff and that's all that I really need IT for. And and so you can decide how much you want to spend. But uh, there are a lot of cheap dogs out there.

And the only other note that I would say is maybe a criticism is that some people have criticisms, the fact that the headphone jack is on the front, and I just wanted to say one headphone jack still exists, that's actually kind of cool. And too, I think the rational there was, if you're using this in the scene where you want to plug in your headphones, having to be right in front of you want the best top or whatever you want to put in right there are not, reach them back. And people say, what what if I have speakers and I want to plug them in? Like, okay, there is a super cheap USB c to audio dongo that you can buy that will plug into the back and then you plug your speakers into IT.

And if you want something nicer, there are also a really nice headphone amp and speaker emps that are USB that will plug into the back. And so I think it's A I think apple made the right compromise, which is organ omics on the front party in the back of organic ics on the front to plug IT in. And if you wanted on the back, there are super cheap, easy to use USB adapters that .

will get you out to a an analogous OK.

Because if you had a bunch of cables coming out the back, I would kind of look like a millet wouldn't see.

or you could do in my way, which is that I have my my computers on dated, and I have a dated to exalt connector to my speaker. And then and then to all you need is A R P O E internet to a .

to your export. Easy.

no problem on any computer or any device that you .

want to come out of that speaker. You just go into the daunte go on OK. I'm just saying i'm just OK. The other thing that .

excites .

me about this is they don't do case changes very often and especially with the make many. It's been fourteen years since the last one. yeah. And I think when you look at that, we talked about can you get the fan to blow in the mac mini? I think one of the things that's going on there is that they they're not designing this for the m four.

They're also designing for the m five, six, seven, eight, ten, right? And so they want to build IT with the thermal profile that they have confidence that they're to be able to get the the base and pro level chip in there for years to come. And I think that's why that cooling system is, is the way IT is, is like it's probably got a lot of headroom that they're not even using now because they know that they're not gonna change this thing. And it's excited like new we don't get new mac designs. I mean, they are fuel down have changed in couple of years.

The lesson mac pro, they couldn't upgraded because a cooling couldn't be well.

And i'm glad that they don't change this one very often because they have trashed all of our enclosures. Like I have to admit that from a pure per, I like the fact that no, I really small .

er and smaller. You can even like fit a blank around IT to fit into your old adapter. It's completely deficit t but it'll be like this for a long time.

And and lead your point, one of the reasons when you're talking about like redesigning that trash can, mac pro is apples, the chip designer now, right? Apple, apple and this doesn't get set enough. Apple designs its chips for specific computers, not as as a thing to just go out into the market like intel did and does, but did for the mac.

And as a result, like they know what the m five, I M six and probably m seven look like. So like they're not just designing this speculatively, they also know what the next few generations will probably hold and are designing the mac mini accordingly. And that's also kind of exciting.

Yeah yeah. And this also bodes welfare future. M for devices. Of course, the laptops macros are already macpro up, but there's no lot like we've had .

a bunch of discussions in office hours like we can even imagine what we're going to in the studio. The pro, if we're seeing this in the mac, many yes, it's it's pretty.

Yeah, there's still a max and an ultra to come.

The max is out, right? The max is out. It's just another product. So you can you can get IT in the macro right and get I got a pro model of the microphone, not a max model, but there are a few people who got seto with IT. You know it's more of everything, but especially of GPU and in a much higher max GPU, but still it's a yeah it's pretty mazing. And then if they sticks two of those together, what does that even look like?

It's more and we may get more like if they get rid of the USB is on the studio, you might be able to put either two or four more USB in ove u m 3 five。 I would assume that we're going to get another five, at least four across the back and probably sixty eight across the back of a max tudie. So pretty interesting.

The front and the back that I vote five or the front .

is not front. It's U, S, B, C. It's going I think they're all U, S, B, C in the front. And then it's the party in the back, a party in.

We're all the stuff that is the model of max. And I think we have a shower title. Let's let's take a little break and come back with more.

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Thank you. Threat locker. It's really, really good solution. Uh, let's talk about the reebok code because I am confused. I want to understand to this four or four media.

Joseph cox broke, broke this story last week in eighteen one IOS eighteen one, apple introduced something they call a phone reboot code and law enforcement lift. Law enforcement was according to four or four media freaking out about mysteriously rebooting iphones. Experts have looked at the code in eighteen one, and they found that this is intentional. IT locks the phone after a period of time, but you going have to explain me why that's a good thing and how that works.

No, it's very good for a bunch of really good stories on IT are starting from when they didn't have the whole story yet where just there was like traffic on like digital forensic forums saying of again, cops were like steaming because you know, when they collect the phone for evidence or just whatever reason they put in, they put in a bag so that they can be can connect to the outside network, can't receive a after reset, anything like that.

And and they were fighting that, you know, these things have been shut down on reset. And they were wondering there, there were even yahya zing that these iphones were talking to each other in the room to give each other like shutdown codes. But actually it's just a new thing in eighteen point one where I feel well, again, if I do, I believe that the time limits four days after four days of of this, he was able to simply do a restart.

When you say a restart, IT doesn't start IT turn off and on again.

wipe itself no, doesn't wait. All IT does is like IT starts from a state of, I don't know who has me, I don't trust anybody who was holding this thing. So basically the the most thorough state of security you can have, guess it's not in the emergency locked down mode IT is, by the way, you are going to have to provide a pin code.

You you're going to have to provide all the all the data are going to have to have this is met to what, uh, any attempt that a third party might have mostly bad people. But, uh, but I cops get involved in that dragged ant as well is going to make IT harder for them to use forensic tools, like celebrate other things that are meant to exploit things that apple doesn't know about to get into a phone without the user permission. Um it's such it's it's such a funny, funny thing.

I I think it's various because. Um law enforcement always has a reason to think, oh, you why you making our lives harder? We are we took this off of a crime victim and we're trying to figure out who killed this person.

Don't know, making life harder because now we can get into the fact is making harder. But nonetheless, it's like we put IT. We didn't put in this feature, apple saying apple hasn't said.

But like apple is moralizing, we didn't put in this feature to basically stick a finger in the eye of cops. We did because IT makes the phone more secure. If IT makes the phone phone more secure against forensics like a law, forced forensics as well.

That's not our problem because it's not. Remember that in this country we worry about, you know, you pulled over, pulled over by by its highway. Peter roman petrol person asked a hand over your phone or they just get a car order and they say, hey, got hand over your phone and you're worried about the evidence is going to be on this phone in other countries.

It's oh, by the way, because that a government agency basically beat you up, took your phone and now wants have all the contacts of people. They can also bring in and beat up because there are also journalists who are speaking against the government or not, but not falling in line. So this is actually a life saving features almost I mean, it's it's i'm not joking when I say that some of these security features should be labeled under apple health because they keep journalists and dissidents and and partly people alive.

Anything you could tweak the code itself in response to the for four media story, apple indeed added a feature called inactivity reboot in eighteen. One is implemented in key bag d in the apple cept key store kernel extension and and the technical term is IT takes the phone from an apu statement, uh, a state which is after first unlock to bf, you before first unlock. And so that's making IT harder for tools like celebrate to get in and get your data.

And i'm very clear that apple does not like celebrate. They're onna do anything they can do to stop celebrate and and it's i'm sure that there's a mission in there of like what what. And I think that if we look at apple pattern, this is four days. I can see them changes in two days or creating a user, you know, like three versions down the road.

IT could be if my phone gets fifteen feet from my watch turn up we started, you know, like you know and and that know just automatically close IT off um if I get, you know so those are the kind of things that apple could be slowly out. They added IT immediately. There is confusion and upset.

They have to start IT out, have everyone see that is there, then start to turn. But the pattern is every update that we see to the OS will probably see them tighten. This is not loosen.

And so to make IT much, much more secure. And again, when apple is, this is not an altruistic tic thing that apple's doing, this is a business. Their business is privacy. And they are asked there they are building in a relationship with with their with their their customers that is asking for biometrics s it's asking for their blood pressure, is asking for a personal information.

It's asking for them to talk to um know apple intelligence and IT looking at everything is going on and making decisions their entire business models based around and it's not going to going to walk away from IT, but it's also not authorised. c. It's just this is the business the their businesses. We can do something that no one else can do, and we're going to keep driving down that path. But they have to keep on making IT more and more secure because asking for more and more .

personal information are a favorite cpt graph. Matthew Green says, remember the real, this is from four four media. Also remember, the real threat here is not police.

It's the kind of people who will steal your phone from align purposes. This feature means if your phone gets stolen, thaves can't nurse IT along for months until they developed detect to cracked. I would bet that rebooting after a reasonable accomodate in activity probably doesn't inconvenience anyone, but IT does make you phone a lot more secure.

I think I think you're going to get that.

The whole point here is like I just want to make this point clear that just because sometimes law enforcement uses a security hole doesn't make IT not a security hole, right? It's a huge security flaw in IOS that apple is trying to fix and they've recognized that there's a difference in security between before first unlock and after forest unlock. And this is just enough that things have wedged in there.

And so they're saying, all right, if if our problem is that we are more trusting after there's been an unlock, but people are using that to exploit things for weeks on and afterward, let's set a time. Woman, I mean, it's pretty straightforward. Now there are probably lots of ways that you can also break those phones before first unlock my gas is, but it's probably harder.

And so that's why they've done this. I just think it's funny that the angle was that came out with police. But really, IT should also be everybody who's stealing phones and shipping them off to a some other country where they're forcibly unlocked and then resolved or whatever or your data is scanned and only like that is undoubted the primary use case here.

But IT IT also is used by state actors and things like that, too. So this is, I mean, apple in the end doesn't care, right? Apple wants wants IT to be as secure as possible for you as a user, whoever the user is.

And I know that people use this against apple and talk about law enforcement, but that's the same illusion that we've had before where there's this sort of like magical well, a back for the good guys. That's not how I work. Backlogs or backlogs. They're bad and they're more exploited by bad people than they are by good people. And apple's job is not to accept back doors, it's to close.

They do just have cox at four four media does point out. He quotes Christopher advance, who works for a capital called magnet forensics, which law enforcement uses to crack these phones, who says it's imperative you collect the data from your, A, A few devices as soon as you can. Yeah, don't wait.

Okay, because IT will go from A, F, U. To bf, and that's a big F, U. Anybody trying to get in there? I see how what I did there.

A good, good. right. Thank you for explaining that to me because I wasn't sure how this helped.

Yeah I I will add something to commerce that I do think that um IT is part of their business plan to make sure that they are always saying the privacy company we're the security company. I also do think that, that is part of their corporate culture, just on prince, that any time that they can do something to make IT safer, to make IT more secure, to make IT more, more private, they're going to do that.

And as we as it's always important to say they can they're free to do all this because the machine in the middle in the middle basement that turns out the money is not not request that in any way on compromising privacy or security. So they are free to do that as much as they can. But I also believe that that is uh A A holy thing to them that if we have to if if there is something that we can do to make things more secure, more safe, we're going to do IT.

We talk about IT earlier today about the the problems of of the like. We're not we're not going to let you we're not going to let you over run the fans. We're not going let you over clock.

We're not going to let you run this too hot because we want to make things as good, good experience for you as possible. Uh, we thought another a story about eighteen point one in which they haven't. There were some scary, scary headlines about how apple had started to ban unsigned apps or a notarized apps from being able to be launched.

All they did was they just made IT less easy to do. So there's a shortcut where they would just, I would warn you, and he was so if you option, click on the OK, but they will literally run anyway. Now you really do have to go into system settings. You really have to drill down into security and you really do have to find that button in a click.

But that's another example of there is here is a way that we can make things more safe and secure by making IT more hard or less easy to run apps that we have not ourselves checked out and we don't have the apps that we don't have the ability to shut down. If IT turns out to be full of nowhere, we're going to do that. It's going to convenient some people. But that's what we're going to do because that's our philosophy.

Yeah, yeah. And of course, Steve jobs is a hippy and probably the ani authoritarian an and I think because that is still in there, I mean this in .

this conversation, some of listened conversation. Remember like when I was a teenager and I was like the kids versus the hypes, where on the internet about the webs, say, no, there should not be any encryption or privacy whatsoever that the information wants to be free. Man, like, yeah, but I don't want you having access .

to my banking numbers. So I S web. No money should ever change hands on the internet.

Man IT was a real thing that people did believe that that that dot com was a charge and should never be commercialized in any way. And we got over IT. And I I do very much think that .

privacy and security and everything else is very much a cultural thing at apple and something that a lot of in. But I think that what's important to understand this when I say it's not altruistic c, it's just saying it's not something they can easily say we don't want to do anymore their own business model based on IT. So the thing is that if you think you can think, well, that's a culture, that culture can change. But I can't really like IT IT would be incredibly difficult IT IT will be turning, you know, a freight train at at two hundred miles an .

hour in a right angle. I hand out though the tim cook, the CEO is very diplomatic and has done immediately, as with every CEO of every tech company twisted on present electronic Victory. Congratulations explanation, mark.

We're look at forward to working with you. I wonder, you know, there is this kind of tension between, not the tips of stranger to this, I mean, he was in china when they enounce that india start making iphones. Know there? The number one customer for the time when is committee sm c, so he baLances of opposing forces quite well, but law enforcement. Is part of the trumpet administration at the same time.

right? Yeah and also tell all this point, this is also the company that like if whatever government says, yeah, we don't want you having VPN apps, we don't want you having giving our citizen ability to with china, russian as where there are also the company that like, oh, we want you to take down down this podcast, which I I want paint that the black and White or bad sort of thing if you have to, you have to obey the laws of the country that you're Operate.

And at some point, if they ask for too much, a company has to basically make a statement of principle, either either a statement, possibly a statement of no principles. But yeah, IT is about thing, like tim cook. You have to you really have to appreciate the fact that he, he, he can walk out of these meetings with his hands clean because his principal, as he stated in interviews, is that you don't lose anything by talking.

You don't lose anything by keeping the channel communication open. You don't always say yes, but you don't want to simply say i'm not gona talk you about this anymore. So that's a very positives, very not elan musk thing to do. His an adult. He's a grown up, which is probably one the reasons by apples, three twenty to our company what.

And I think I think that he apple has drawn lines that are very defendable there. And they're small is a small sid dell that they're like you can have phone um they can you tell us that we can have some apps? yes.

Can you get access to the cloud data? yes. Can you get, you know, like they've decided this is where we can, then we can create an absolutely defendable thing. And I think that in most cases, if countries wanted to get into that last area, apple would used to lead the country before they would give up the phone.

And so I think that is A I think but but they are very flexible and very, you know follow all the other rules outside of that that um that wall because othe wise IT IT ouldn't be defendable, you know and so they figured out where they where they create that uh that work work and then they defended from there. And I think they've been very consistent globally in every country to do that. And and again, and lots of there's lots of things that they are flexible about because you can't can't keep on Operating .

if you and and also to be fair, international human rites organza have spoken and written about this sort of thing and said that um although it's not optimal to do things like a turn off VP and in a country, the presence of a company like apple to provide iphones to provide these services is a Better is a larger benefit to the people who might be oppressed in that country than the hypocrisy, so to speak, of caving in on privacy and things like that.

You can that the position is that you can't necessarily be all or nothing. You can still provide support to the people of of an oppressive regime, even if you are at, within reason, exceeding to some of that government's demands. Yeah.

I always felt that was Better to work within the establishment, to try to change establishment, if you know what I mean. Sharing b in our youtube is when apple took on the government, IT was at the height of public sympathy for government doing whatever to go after a terrorist. And IT wasn't easy. That's a very good point. They did the politically difficult thing to do.

And for you, very conditional.

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On sunday, we marked the twenty third anniversary of the launch of this webs you're holding. You're wrong, this little guy, the ipod, the original ipod, was lodged november in two thousand. one. Wow, actually was october twenty thirty. I got a wrong, but anyway.

it's close enough. No, so the this is that I can tell you about two thousand one time lines because I was announced in october and shipped in. No.

okay.

that's here's my little tidbit, which is I know this because in between those two dates, my daughter was born and we got review units when they announced IT. And so my daughter, i've said this before, was one of the first babies born with an ipod playing in the background because IT wasn't out yet. IT wasn't out yet. And so yeah right in a little in the region. But yeah, so it's been since, but she's a college .

graduate now just what amazing .

little too much perspective if you ask me, IT is a yeah yeah I still have all .

my this is you it's it's real because I got the firewire .

can actually sunday without .

the flap and no and no flap I sunday I talked I had Young people on the show no and and they one of them said, oh yeah, I don't member that one, but I did my first type. I was the shuffle, and I thought, you are Young, you are Young. But we remember this IT.

IT was only a possible tony fddi was one of the designers. IT was only made possible because so shipper had made this gigabit, tiny, matchbooks size hard drive. They almost stopped making IT because there was no customer and .

apple came along side .

by one hard drive, a thousand and pocket and very .

low bit rapid enough for them to claim and songs in your pocket. I I was one of the like handful of people at that role at the time who had loaded hood, ripped a bunch of our cds, and we're listening to them on as mp trees because I used to bring like a wallet of cds to work so I could listen to music while I worked. And then when the mp three sort of came around, I go, this is much Better.

And so when they rolled out the ipod H, I was like, oh, I could literally fit my entire ripped mp three collection onto IT with room despair, which was mind blowing. And then take IT around with me, which was also mind blowing. It's a great rare example of a new piece of tech unlocking, right? A lot of times new piece of tech come out and companies are like a will put you in a product like why? Well, we don't know, but we'll just stick IT in there and see what happens.

But in this case, yeah IT inspired apple to say what we could use this to make a music player. And obviously, IT didn't take too long before people realized we can't do this with spending hard drives. But at the time you had to use a spinning hard drive if you are going to get the storage, because the diamond rio, which was out before this, which I had you, you could basically fit like an hour of music on IT.

And that was IT because there was a flash based player, but the storage just wasn't there yet. So IT was brilliant and people don't give IT enough credit, I think in some ways, because it's faded into the into the history books. But like this is the product that that really brought apple back.

The imac g three captured on life support. But the ipod is the product that turned apple from being a weird brand of non compatible computers to being a brand that made a product that not only you liked, but IT made. You want to go into the ipod store, which is what a lot of people called the apple store, and then when you're there, you see their computer, and you start to think, oh, I like, I like my ipod.

Maybe I should give they make a computer. I should look at that too. And I know that sounds crazy, but like that literally is how got saved and didn't go bankrupt is because the ipod performed massive rehab on a we think of IT now is one of the great brands in the world. But in in the late nineties, IT was not. And the ipod is the thing that really got people to reexamine the apple brand and started the brush up that gave them enough revenue, both with that in the ipod halo, effect of which is what they call IT, when they solved a lot of max after the ipod became successful and gave them in a funding to build the iphone in the rest is history, but at all started you know the the m acg three was the stabilizer, but the ipod had to happen for people to ever take apple seriously again.

And IT was a canonical Steve jobs product. Um I mean one of the big, big, big things that would come up every now then was what apple's Mandate under in his with you being at the intersection of engineering and liberal arts. And this is exactly yet cutting and engineering, but I made lets you Carry around music and multiple playlist and that sort of thing.

I mean and also the the john y i've design that, that is indicative of the clastic Brown radios, the that being the reason for the click will in the circle that's around IT even even the display. It's like it's one of my favorite Steve job stories where this was a crash program. This wasn't we spent three years developing IT and we just well released IT when it's ready.

It's like, no, here's IT. Within the space of months this thing was Green. Let move forward. They had to get IT done so much so they basically bought, uh, an Operating system, a control Operating system in order to run IT.

But even with all this crunch, they're showing him pretty much of finished like ipod and he, just like doul's said, look at this play and said, no, like what you mean? No, no. What what you mean know he was LCD with a Green back light, which was every single LCD display with a back light had a Green back light, he said.

This is a White display. This is a White device with like grey control dinant label s and it's a silver back. There is no color on this. What's ever you're going up to send this back and you going to find this a source of White backlit displays that can work for us like, okay, but you got no time, but but okay in the original one.

which I still think Better than the ones that came after IT with the mechanical wheel.

there's just something .

about IT that you IT just shows you how powerful and and design and interface can be that there's something intentional about that that that just had you want to use IT. You just just want to .

the around IT IT wasn't like.

click I click everything before that was like, uh, arrow down arrow, Opera down arrow suddenly you had this beautiful interface that just felt amazing when you use IT. And I think that that something that apple has done over and over and over again, they kind they they drafted on everybody, everybody kind of goes down a path. And the apple kind of figures out well how how do we make this interface really seamless and and actually fun to use. And they don't really add a lot of tech to what they just make them a lot easier.

a lot more fun to do. John Robinson um apple bought all the entire production of to SHE was one for this thing. It's important to note that even though this is apple's first consumer break out consumer product, IT wasn't a hit right away because IT was macintosh only right.

because it's IT used firewire. And that that was a limitation for a long time because not even very many pcs had firewire there. But but modern max did.

And eventually, you know, IT evolved and they they introduced compatibility with, I think, music matched duke box on windows. But even then, IT was a little bit of a slow burn because IT was limited to pcs that had firewood or thirty ninety four, right? The SONY.

Uh, they didn't call firewire. That was an apple name, but that's what I was. And then eventually they they ve got over to USB with the dock connector and then things changed. But that first second generation IT was just a bigger firewire four hundred more on the top.

And and you know it's funny because I think there was some envy there, but I think also, you're right, we think that was an instant hit and I just couldn't be because IT was just IT was more a proof of concept to be like wm mac users by this. And the answer was yes. IT was a hit among maci users and and you started to get that movement of like, why isn't IT on windows? We need to do IT on windows.

And I think there's a legendary story about somebody maybe feel sheller coming at Steve jobs and being like, we got to put this on windows, Steve and and he was like, no, no, no, no. And finally, he was like, fine, whatever. I was a good business to say, although that I say quite essential.

Steve jobs, which is, you know, he had his his strongly held beliefs that he would then just drop if he needed to, if there was a reason to, and he was like flying, put IT on windows, whatever. yes. And of course the rest is history because I really did save the, say, the brand because they weren't just settle into the people who are already part of the family at that point.

And and by the way, I mention this a go in in passing, but like the apple retail story is part of this. They launched those stories range handsome and Steve jobs put those together. And I think two thousand, I think IT proceeded the ipod.

But the fact that they and they seemed like a fly, right? IT seemed almost like a joke. But apple really felt like they, you if you saw what they made, you'd like IT. But that became a perfect platform for the ipod. Not only did people go in and they wanted to see the ipod, but like I said, then they looked at the mac to and created that halo effect.

But being in shopping mls with the ipod, I mean, they say that I really did, but you had to have that, that that first couple of years was, I was, no, I was MC only. And we do forget about that until they brought in the dock connect version that would work with pcs using music match. And what's .

amazing things is this is, I think that was when the last IT probably was the last device where apple, just in addition to living out their own name, they licensed that out. The healer packet ers, if you want. If hilo packer wants to sell them, you going to put your a label, still an ipod, but you can have the hilo packet red edition.

Um IT was such a crazy, crazy, crazy time yeah i'm trying to I remember like when I got my reviews guide for IT and the longer ipod, that's fine. What why is this box so big? IT also included a dell laptop. And a collection of cds that i'm sure was security by Steve himself because they didn't want to assume that every reviewer like had a digital library or had a computer that was capable of ripping things to to M P three.

Ah the at the event which was if people want to go back and look at IT nostalgically, just to answer your question now yes that is me in the video of the event. People like every six months like you yes I didn't have as much grey hair then but IT was we walked out there with a little tote bag that had a very release ipod in IT, which is what we used. We've D T, A play less and used IT in the birthday for my daughter, and a cube of cds that were like taped together with, like clear tape.

Oh yes, because I had to give you this wouldn't.

And this is IT, is they preloaded all those devices with music and they didn't want to see the next because this was at a point where mp three were just being decried as piracy. And so apple wanted to tell that story. And the story was you get the, you get the disks and the ipod, and this is how you do IT.

And so I still have in my closet out here some cds that I I absolutely can say, see, jobs got me. Those like classic yoo, john y. Cash, Steve jobs, he brought those to me and you, Steve.

and there are many things that are all the things have to be there for something to be successful. So apple put this together. The M P three put IT together. Um nap ster had brought the music industry to its knees like all of these things that had all of those things had to happen for because the music industry would have never dealt with apple if they weren't just on their heels trying to figure out which way is up, you know and Steve was like, it's going to be a dollar a song. No, there is not A A A song that alex .

was like three or four years later. That's the other thing is that the ipod had to be successful enough for them to have the leverage. But but in those early days, the only path onto the out will the only paths onto the ipod war, ripping cds, or demanding cds, or nester .

importing them .

on there is a mix for C, D. R. And the idea there was to make big city, which was great.

You do that now like you never you never run ads that they mix burn today, just touching about IT.

Well, I mean, in the world is just change so much since then. But it's you're right, the music industry didn't like the ipod and Steve jobs use that to basically say, well, how about we make a deal and we use sell music for the ipod and that is where itunes.

I remember that like I I had a reoh player too, and remember that like the music industry tried to sue to have a declared the piracy device and have a taken off, taken off the market. Just that reason. And I think that among st.

The other thing, cultural things that the ipod and apple is responsible is helping to nail struck the coffin of all of those people in the music industry who are trying to. There was a point which I think they realized that digital music was not a stoppable thing. So they try to basically harness IT in cage so that IT would be worth IT would work for their purposes like they would still SONY had a system where they they they sent me a player.

But when they're new digital player, digital Walkers to try out and install the software. And the first thing I did when you installed, of course you need the software will not be able to couldn't just like copy things onto the device of a windows, you had to use the software to a manage, a library and a copy things on. The first thing I did was go through your entire hard drive, find any music file and encysted IT with their own encysted.

So now you'd no longer had access to your own music. And then when you have whether you copy something onto this walkman, IT is now suddenly checked out of your library. You can't play IT on any other device. And like, if not for the fact that I wasn't like, this wasn't my my main computer was, of course, a mac. I was like, I I was one the times where I was just dump out IT, I was talking to the engineer and I was talking to, like, the marketing person and saying, this is absolutely terrible. And I have to ask you before, before I write what i'm gonna write, tell me giving you an opportunity to defend yourself or tell me, tell me that this is there's no there's a way around this because that's that's an active violence almost against the user.

So IT is no longer available. You can buy an ipod anymore. But a couple of things that the ipod did do that are still around White your buds. Thank you Steve jobs for White ear buzz, which at the time I breath that oh, that's an announcement that some you've got more money than sense ah now there ubiquity and yes, you say the itn store, which is current is still the number one way people buy music, a worldwide uh totally dependent.

But I also think that it's IT is a like the itunes store held apple back in the sense that on this show over a decade, I was saying apple should just do streaming description .

subscription .

and and apple held on to that for and spotify took that space because apple didn't IT IT was apple is probably .

the number one way to listen to music. Is spotify right?

Yeah, perhaps ity preceded spotify, right. But if they were too a little too early.

yeah there a lot and .

there really do. Yeah, I think that was the first subscription service that ever I actually think that's it's funny because I have a bunch of all die pods too, that the thing that makes them, I think occasionally of, like O, I can put this somewhere where I could use this and in the end it's like, yeah, but IT doesn't work with apple music, right? The fact is where, other than the ones that ran IOS, they were designed for a world where you bought music.

And that is not now. Our music players are all connected devices that can talk to a substitution service. And that I mean, I know that some people don't do that and they just buy music, but the vast majority of people out there, that's not how they interact with music anymore. And that makes the ipod kind of an interesting relic of an era where we went from all the cart, because I was the only way CD, or tape or record sales to this little moment where I was like, you could buy digital music and you can still do IT. But like, again, I feel like the world has moved on, but the ipod is wedged right in that that little magic moment.

This way it's in somewhere, in a dry somewhere in your house or in your garage or whatever. There is an ipod that you have not used in ten years, and i'm encouraging you to go amazon by the USB capable you need because you don't often have a chance to have a stack shot of all of your taste, a musical taste ten or fifteen years ago.

And when you light up that thing again and you see like andy is also in party mix, two thousand and three, wo and like, oh, wow, you were kind of unfocused, didn't have much taste back then, did you end and and, or, oh my god, love shack. Why do I not look, play love shack every morning? awesome.

Well, happy birthday, I guess, to the little ipod. It's kind of a funny twenty three years as a lifetime. And my daughter .

lifetime, her birth is last week.

So yeah, yeah. But he's he's still think of her as Young, right?

This is old. So we had to break IT to her that SHE SHE may not be Young anymore. Now SHE is her hearing into the next two days. Now .

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on with a breaking story from ming I quo. He says apple is making its first four way into the smart home I P camera market, with mass production scheduled for twenty twenty six. He knows this because he covers the supply chain and apparently he's got a source at goal attack which received the bit and will be the exclusive supplier for assembly. Surprising .

little bit.

I don't know. I don't know if I said anything about apple get into .

home products for yeah but really.

would you start with a camera? I guess maybe because of privacy might yeah.

I think the camera is the right one to start with. It's the one that has the least .

competition. yes. So it's so bad. It's so I ve been trying to do cameras in my house and it's the options are terrible.

So if they are doing this, IT is a really great tactical move for them because there are uh, first of most competition that any good is already expensive. So apple will be able to make expensive cameras and still play in that in that mode. And the ones that are cheap are generally bad.

I have bought a bunch of different kinds. They built this whole home kit secure video system, which was supposed to make this easy because you could use your apple subscription to get access to live video. And very few cameras supported.

And the ones that do, i've tried several of them. They don't work very well. I can tell you, I had so many different cameras of different brands that I put on my neck.

K, and I have a very solid wifi network, and some of them come with their own little box too. They fall off the network. Um they are incompatible or they require a service that i've got to pay ten or twenty dollars a month for. I feel like there is a real opening for a line of cameras for somebody to do that are at a high quality level because right now, I mean, I know that ubiquity has some.

I used to protect the different in china logy and ubiquity camera systems. Are there people?

They don't they don't up actually? exactly. So I don't know about that because I think apple will probably want to use home kit secure video, which does upload but like that, the competition is those guys, and I know that they're more expensive, but like apples not afraid of playing in that area.

And apples got the the the credibility and the weight of being the platform owner for so many people. So I think it's a smart a place to enter because IT is bleak, like at the consumer level for this stuff. It's just I have tried and tried and I can't rely the ones that are the most that I can lie in.

The most ironically, are the ones that first up, they don't use home, could secure video. And second, it's the R O, which isn't great. But IT is from next year.

IT comes with its own basically private wifi network that IT uses. IT has its own little base station. That one works, okay? It's not even that reliable. The uv one is a reliable. The loggia ch one is extremely not reliable.

Like I just this is the pain of somebody who has tried to get a few cameras up on my on my house and IT just it's bad people. It's real bad. So um bring IT on an apple, right?

Like I want apple to be more adventurous. We've said that here. I know alex is said of a lot. Apple needs to be more adventurous in the home tech market because IT, there are categories where there are companies that are doing a good job. There are lots of categories where nobody is doing a very good job or its a very small number of players like with cameras that are kind of the high end and that having apple be there with a brand, a branded version of that same kind of experience. A you have a large .

market of people who will pay extra so that IT just works. They just apple has this other other world market, which is that we're not looking we're not all looking at the Price we're looking at. You know, I think apple users really value their time.

And how long is going to take me to set up when I opened this up? I expect to have IT touch my phone next to IT. And IT goes, okay, you're done, you know and then i'm going to put IT somewhere and it's going to start working. And no, it's just very hard to do that with the hatred genus um protocols. And so if apple build this out, this is step one to this.

But I think this is worth again, acte, it's a cute little business for apple that five or six of these home products could still be ten or twenty billion dollars a year um uh as they extend the brand connection that they have to their audience as long as they do them well and I think they will, I think that it's not hard. You know you don't have to be faster than the barry, only to be faster than the one next to you. And in the one next to them when IT comes to products is way back there like you know, like the all not all these automation products are, I would say that the cameras are the worst. But as someone who is fitted LED with this on and off and fifteen years, they are all just trash.

I don't know the actual numbers. I'm sure though that the ring cameras, amazon ring, are the number one in the markets.

Well, I think a lot .

of people don't want that. Yeah, know, ubiquity cameras started one hundred twenty nine box or not. Rage ously expensive because you have to have a mult thousand and little pic with network system to use them.

So maybe in hard drives and so forth, but I love I have a ubiquity cameras all around the house and I know everything is going on. I am I am very happy with that. But but again, IT doesn't uploaded in one of the reasons I didn't want IT to upload. I didn't want something like ring is because I don't my band with this scarce and I I want to use every mega bite I can, mega bite I can can .

for I really I mean, I don't mind the idea of having an option to have certain things put up in the cloud, but. Yeah, I really like the idea of being able to save something. I wonder if apple would consider doing something like that, where that would could be a reason to buy an apple TV with more storage and IT wouldn't to be able to have something like an apple TV that's a hub also store your last x number of hours of data locally and then the highlights get put in.

I have a network video reporter which will save three months worth of got a big heart drive and and you can see IT over the network. I mean I can log into and see IT but I mean .

I was going to say exactly that that this was always the reason why I wish that apple never stop making my five readers that um the number one, it's it's not a solve problem yet of making these things work really, really well. I mean, it's easy to get a signal in your house and you connect to the internet through IT, but so difficult once you start to want to use some of these services that are most useful once you try to access your house from outside the house.

Uh, like, again, back to my mac that works all away across the internet so I could have an ipad but still be running apps of my mac, many or whatever, or getting files off of any other device i've got inside my office. And if they had a wifi rider that could also do double duty as I got a home kit base station as a way of sending that video off to some place that is secure, some place that apple would charge me for storage for and would therefore be getting more money for in their services department, that would be very, very nice for them, i'm sure. Uh because it's uh h you sometimes you want to take a peak into your house and sometimes when there is a disaster happening, you want to have that reassurance.

And if something bad has happened, sometimes that bad thing that happens will also destroy the video record that was stored inside that house long with IT. So you want to have that thing outside, but you don't want to necessarily trust that, that's going to be kept securely. I mean, it's it's a terrible, terrible situation and the only way to do IT is the either A B A master of networking and security yourself or pick up poison pick you're a trust. I i've decided to trust google because having a having A A A video doorbell is very, very useful to me ah and also i've already so i've already they already have to see so much of my stuff anyway that again, i'd much rather have all my poison and one container then spread IT out and also have a lot of economic incentive to like go out of business and suddenly have to fire sale all my dated everybody else, like twenty and me or whatever. Yeah, if if apple decided again to this, not only would IT be a really great solution, not only would IT be pull out of the box block and IT works, but I would actually trust IT and use IT to the fullness of its capabilities.

One other story I thought to be interested to cover, you might remember a guy named Dennis croly. He created a company called dodge ball, which he sold to google, made a little bit of money, then left google and created four square, which was that all the rage of south by southwest.

Some years ago, four square was replaced with swarm, and he's kind of out of the four square world now on ma had an interview with him on his blog this week in which he talked about Dennis crowley's. Next effort, which I really like IT, is to take your area pods and turn them into kind of a tour guide, augmented reality using audio i've signed up for. They aren't yet ready to put out the beta, but they've signed up for the companies called hopscotch labs.

And I tell you what, with denis involved, I have a feeling a there's gonna something pretty exciting. He calls IT b bot, B E E B O T. Once it's installed, every time you put on your ipods, actually could be any other headphones in its activated.

As you walk around, IT will not only tell you things about landMarks, you know, kind to be a tour guide. IT also may say, hey, you were here two days ago and you met up with your buddy andy and had lunch. Or as you walk by that that dinner and is inside, wanted, join him.

Now, this was back in the day of four square. This was one of the benefits of four square, although I remember robber cobb finding me. And I said, how do you find me? Well, I was eating much in four square you checked in.

I'm very excited. I think this is a really interesting use of airports. I wonder if apple is considering something similar, but I think dse could do something very interesting with this.

And I think that I could get really interested in if you start using things like ultra wide band, which the phones have, and the apple a lot of the apple tractors have and use that, start using that technology. That technologies has been out now for a couple years, and it's not .

being used very heavily. And IT remember beans just to a door .

and were low energy blue the problems and they weren't accurate enough so they were plus minus really in in working plus minus a foot and half of three feet which is is good um but low energy bluetooth was not quite enough ultrawise band I believe the sixty ten centimeters. So it's a much smaller ball that IT knows where that transmitter is. And that means you can really identify where you're standing. And if you think about those things, both on a GPS level and an ultra wide band level and all the other things connected in between, you can have incredible tours where you could, for instance, you could be having using a variety AI. Imagine being able to walk through a civil war battlefield, or a castle or anchor, what or something else, and have IT be able to just talk to you, like as if you know if you look over to you're right this is where that used to be your this is what happened over here um for just for tours know there's a lot of just stuff of of like you looking for starbucks and telling you where IT is, but there's also these tour opportunity ties that a lot of us are talking about for decades. Then just know that thinking that the technology would get there faster than that has there are apps.

I had one when we are in hawaii instance, you could put on your iphone IT uses the GPS. And as you're driving around, it's like having a note, all uncle in the back seat.

And hey.

this is absolutely the best slashed place. Whether they call in, they have those. This is the best show dise place in the world.

Man and he pull over and they would literally say, okay, pull over here or take a right up at that sign, appear as you're driving around. IT was the greatest. I had one in rome I used as we were walking around.

And rome is a perfect place for this, because every round of corners and everything be at a history. I would love this idea. And if it's incorporating also your own personal history, I think this could be very interesting.

And also with the I IT, IT can be much more the dexterity of IT can be much different. Because if you don't have to record everything anymore, so we don't have you don't to figure out what you're going to say in rome everywhere IT goes, IT looks at IT and looks at contextual, what you're interested in and what you've interested in the past. You know, like I I, I saw a turkey fight yesterday, which I had expected outside, right in front my house, two turkey ys were going at IT. I mean, the rap in their head around each other.

Yeah, there's two years. Look, because only, only one. I know a lot about turkey. Ys, we have wild turkey. Only one male gets to be with their brew.

These ones are kicked down. The other three.

then I is. So I spent.

I had to go to fedex. And on the way down to fedex, I learned all about IT. I learned about, you know, pecking, what pecking order is I talking a jet GPT well, on driving, just going.

So what is this and how does this work and what is that? IT turns out if, if IT turns out, if you, your Young male, and and you threaten the older or fight with the older mail too many times, they just kick out. And so then there's three of women then, but they're still a pecking order within within that group and they have to fight over IT.

And usually it's not fatal. But sometimes there is. And in this whole long discussion, but I realized thinking about this, is that this is the kind of thing where you start you could be standing somewhere and it's giving you that tour that you're talking about based on your location. But you can also ask the questions like so you can be at the at something what what .

happened here?

Yeah why was important IT here? So you're just literally talking to someone as you're walking through a city or or or a tourist area. I think it's dive opportunities.

Yeah yeah. But what? Watch with the interest I signed up immediately for the test flight. He hasn't released IT. Yeah, but I think is this is what I always thought augment reality could be is something in the airports knowing where you are yeah and yeah.

this is why google has such a leg up on a lot of the stuff because they will past ten, fifteen years, they've been developing google maps, which is not just a way to get you from here to there.

And also what is and what literally, what is everything that is close to you at this moment and is the one best channel for for filtering those questions? They just I think they had an announcement ment last week where they said they've just opened a, uh, google maps to a grounding service further air. So if another A I wants to double check its information to say, okay, well, when does the fedex that's closed by hear close? They can check IT against google maps through API and IT, all basically ground. Double check their AI before they send somebody into a reveal with a package .

i've been watching as as adam asks of tidbits, the latest round of apple intelligence adds, he calls them misguided because in almost every case they show stupid people getting away with murder thanks to apple intelligence, the employee who's a goof who surprises his boss with a well written thanks to apple intelligence. My favorite one is the the guy at the board meeting whose asked to summarize the document that he obviously didn't read.

He he slides his cheer out the door as sample to summarized and slides back in and says, let me let's go over this, the one where the wife has forgotten, of course, to give a gift to her husband for his birthday. And he creates. seconds a memory's movie that SHE gives him and everybody goes oh you're so good 呃 adam doesn't like this so much he says they are humiliating the humans and they are just like the the crush ipad pro ads um you agree or not i got that i think the.

crush ipad ad was a different level like i think saying they're just like IT i think makes them more worse than they are i do think that for all a lot of us that use a lot of a i they're not the kind of thing we use a i for very often so i think you kind of look at all i guess it's kind of funny but i don't know if you try to use this that way i think you have a lot hard time IT never works out as well as you think that will.

his point is apples promoting apple intelligence is something that can bail you out from being a crappy employee or allows.

this is my my good friend and th's guy speaking of them writer fell michael always called these ads the our users are jerks our users he didn't use the were jerks he is not the world i'm not going to say but i didn't get the problem with that right is that it's basically saying our users are jerks our users are dumb our uses i consider IT of their families celebration and rather than i mean apple a company i don't want to get to work on this but because this is a silly ad but where IT relates to the crush ad is that apple is about a company empowering people to be creative and the apple intelligence adds feel like oh screw that let's just dash something together with a i and walk away and you got away with IT and i think that they're always calibrated at least you know maybe that's who they want to reach are the their users who are jerks but IT seems like IT should feel a little more empowering in a positive way and not like you got away with murder like you said leo i think that that's the problem i have with that in addition to the fact that remember a lot of these apple intelligence had started before they're shipped anything and they're still sort of promising some things that that aren't quite there yet but either way i think that that comes back to that which is IT IT leads an unpleasant taste in your mouth to have to be our users or inconsiderate boobs and they got away with murder they used double intelligence maybe not but let's face.

IT at least IT was a long standing tradition that advertisements featured bobs i'm not that well know fools yeah.

yeah i mean the man.

and you never identified with them IT was always there.

are a lot of ads campaigns that have work or and i don't think they work where it's sort of like the main person in this ad is a a dummy and.

i are part and often why would.

i want to use your product if the person who uses IT is a dummy who's out there going i two women in considered dummy i like to be.

standing tradition television advertising i'm only saying.

why did you use my stuff in the refrigerator something like that you you do know we all know people in the office that are like that about things and you think maybe this would be good for.

them yeah yeah but it's not dummy but in a different version.

of that where it's like wow i'm going i'm going home with five p m and i am actually having dinner with my kids because all of this crap work that idiots above me been putting on me through the last round of layoffs of this economy that i am not to do the work of eight people now i've got a tool that let me do the work of ten peoples but at least this will let me get home and see my kids once in a while yeah.

eighteen eighteen two is coming out gr says december fifth i think first week of december j you're playing probably with the beta is yes yeah yeah good or something look forward to i'm looking forward jen mogan mogi is.

good i think image playgrounds are bad i think they're fundamentally just not very very good and kind of weird and that apple is shipping them because they think they're good enough and i would argue that not only do they make does the reliance on the idea that you're going to use somebody from your photos library as a model for the image generation which means you're using your friends images without their consent which i think is growth but as alex would point out apple's image generation is also so far behind the competition that it's doubly embarrassing i think but jent mogi is a great example of IT being super targeted it's trained on apples at a mogi set and it's presumably memo's designs as well but it's like a very specific style and then generating em oji from that it's harmless i think in fun in a way that the the image playgrounds are just like first of it's not good i've used IT with pictures of my friends and like it's not good and i've seen all the stuff that alex generates and like apple like i don't know whether ship in this because it's there are behind and i people are going to be happy with IT.

i mean i'm making a lot of stuff but i am also spending five hundred dollars a year on journey sing a way uh i probably do five or six thousand images a week so so it's it's an entirely different uh world than what i expect to i don't have little graphics i think apple i'm hoping to see them in image playground look at certain things and i think they have to some degree things that work inside of my there are things that Midjourney forces doesn't do consistently like i like to do a lot of i like to add fund things to my mickey note t presentations i just needed to be over a plane white background i just want that to be a checkbox and have IT not show me an image that isn't in front of a plane background white background that doesn't going off the frame so i have this little object i can throw.

onto IT and i think alpha channel imagine if a i image generators could do alpha channels.

exactly i know the thing is that those are all things that even i didn't have an alpha channel obviously apples remove so good but i think that there are places where apple could turn the dial to make IT a little bit more specific that would outdo ID journey if they don't want you don't have to go after mid journey there are a bunch of things from a keynote perspective educator perspective corporate perspective home perspective that would be really fun to to for them to do and i hope that they kind of take advantage again what they can be different at so far they happened but.

this might not be a thing that they kind of want to involve in but there are so many third rails involved here among the them that fear audiences a lot of creative people do you want to be a company that seen as hey we're going to help you not sell that stock image we're going to help you would not get that contract to create this logo because we're going to people ais that have been trained on your imagery so they can do IT themselves i think they when all everything theyve shown us so far made me think that the m i m o gies are safe their cheap they don't have to be all that good they don't have to they don't doesn't get them into the trap of thinking that we are creating an image that doesn't exist we are modifying people's understanding of reality i think that are going to be very very happy to allow the journey and others uh and imagine three and all these other image generators to do the work for them they put all the hooks that they want to into IT so that people can an APP can call out to uh a third party system to do that but i don't think that they want to have that label on them they don't have that responsibility.

let us take a break and continue this discussion in moments when we get our picks of the week with andy and oo when you give me a g b h in boston.

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jason smells six colors that com you get three whole months to have to make color graphs again.

able just been their results were their end of their fiscal year so i've got another charts coming with the annual because that's a way to make more on the internet without doing anything.

though i actually wait them and no don't know it's good because we don't know how apple is doing not car by the but it's one of my favorite post of.

the year honestly and nobody seems to do IT so yeah check that will i think.

it's important yeah i'm looking forward that six colors dot com and of course alex linda who every morning gets up fright nearly after he milks the cows he goes into the studio and does office hours and.

and you'll see a lot of changes we got to fork i said you so now.

and we're finding old alex when you did the first hd podcasts with MC break.

the body is part of that was that the the most viewed mac break video or second most viewed mac make video was we get the the first mac break the.

road to ten a d p yeah the first.

one was us going to mac world and just wandering around with emory wells and amber and yourself and i and and then i and so we that was number one number two was the road attentive p and IT was because we had recorded twenty five episodes at mac world like at a studio near IT and leo was detail in me almost every day like released this like you gotta get this out and we couldn't the data was so big couldn't get IT to work so city there so as i had to put something now and i put IT out and i got IT was very successful but but is ten a d.

p no IT was seven twenty IT was.

ten and i never OK never did any that seven twenty stuff so yeah yeah four gay my friend.

and i was lot easier.

moving form so we're doing k last night for extra hours because you know we do one in the evening now to with two we have extra hours on mondays and the run down on thursdays which is another one lazy but in extra hours two of the guys figured out how to ndi bridge to bring back four k as a delivery from their cameras and so so now so we we're taking in there but we're also this weekend will start doing HDR tests and we hope to be on Hy dynamic range for the show. And then my god, and then the next thing is to go to sixty friends to second. And the next thing to go is the five out one audio. Again, it's not we're doing IT not so much because you needed to have a bunch of talking heads at that level.

We're doing IT because we really want to do a lot of coverage next week, next year of conferences and you know expose. And so and so far, we do think that makes a difference there, but we want to get to a point where it's not a lift like we're in IT every day. All we got to do is just add this camera and so were so so we're not to in a lot of second hours or specials. You're just going to see for two months as just evolving very quickly um and taking chances that the color may not look very good next week because if it's even close, we're going to leave IT on so that we can tunit. So that's let .

you go now chop of milk, many sip in our discord saying and you might provide alex some more about the three d immersive version of the show that was other platforms.

It's discussed this.

So person ally.

I don't OK. We already did an apple.

a whole one where all of us were in the apple vision pro. Um the capturing right now, capturing the spatial live is potentially possible, but we're still there's still some little hiccups in the transport. So where we're .

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time for our pick of the week. I'm going to start. I'm going to start because I know, I know i'm usually too lazy to do a pic of the week, i'll be honest.

But I saw this and I thought, this is kind of cool. You know me, I like the terminal. I like the command line.

And I found a website, A S S sixty four, that has a alphabetic glossy of macos bash commands. It's kind of amazing how much apple, for instance, you don't need to download an APP to prevent the system from sleeping. There's a command called cathode.

There's a command called cow that will display a calendar and go on and on and on. It's a really powerful system. This is all in the terminal.

But if if you one, I think this is personally, I like just browsing through IT and and trying things. It's a really good way to get into the of your own mac and see what's going on inside. So I just thought i'd mention that the website actually, I don't even know what the website put in the show notes.

It's S S sixty four outcome slash mac. That's IT S S sixty four outcome slash mac. Jason, i'm excited about your pick of the week. Tell us about that. Yeah, bilateral.

I can't believe I didn't pick this before. The battery has been out on P C. And in steam and there's a mac version, steam two for a while now.

But IT is last month or actually september. IT came to apple arcade as well as you can just buy you. You can use that the Normal way in the upstart and buy at pay money. But it's also an apple arcade is batter plus and it's on the mac as well. An apple arcade.

IT looks like this is a port because this looks a kind of a bit eight little.

a little bit. It's got a style. It's actually you've got settings that you can do like CPU lines, but you can turn them off and smoothing. It's meant to be a little retro. It's a rogue like poker game.

But it's, of course, more than that, there's a lot more going on because you modify the scoring of the game with jokers that you buy in the store and they completely change your strategy for playing the game. There's also a very nice zon boarding screen, which is what you're doing now or explains how the game works. So for example, over time, as you go through these different hands, you get modifiers like increasing the number of cards in your hand or reducing the number of cards you have to play to get a certain thing.

You can also upgrade how much money you make or how many points you make for a certain hand. So if you get a joker, that makes you able to do straight with four cards instead of five, and another one that IT awards you for having a four card hand, and another one that allows you to doubles the amount that that is there. If it's a straight ah you you start to build straight because it's a lot easier.

I actually had won that was you can build straight or flush or straight out of numbers that are one apart from each other. So you know, ten, nine, seven, five is is a straight, which is also kind of bananas. IT is really reliable.

IT is easy to pick up in a moment, to learn a lifetime, to master that classic line. IT is super addictive. And if you've got apple arcade, you've got IT for mac or IOS, a lot of fun.

But just remember that the point is the upgrades, it's not the it's not a poker game. It's using power as a mechanic to deal with the jokers and other upgrade cards that you do between rounds with the money you earned. And that changes the game dynamic.

And then once you win, you win by going through twenty seven hands, basically up to level nine. Um but if you or yeah something like that, maybe it's something like like you you have more chAllenges, different ways to start different modifiers IT all just kind of like keeps on unfolding. And again, it's a rogue like in the so basically one of things I like about rogue like games is you don't end up with a having to grind to get resources.

Instead you um you every time it's new and you start from zero and you have to build again. And I like that in the game because I don't like grinding to manage my resources. I wanted just play and then be done.

And it's fantastic on the iphone. It's got haptics. It's got great music and sound effects that you can turn on or off as you like.

I think it's a great ipad game anyway, highly recommended, super addictive fun pilatre. And again, if you've got arcade, you got IT on all those apple platforms. That's nice.

But what is that? A joker? R, I think .

it's joker joke.

The joker.

I think that's what that means. Yeah, cool. I don't know.

I don't speak IT time. Thank Jason, andy and a cope pick the week .

and a daylight savings time and also winter time, which means that like my laptop bag has to have like this. I love this and also this because give me.

give me this for Christmas a couple years ago. It's yeah ably useful.

What is is really so this is just reflective stuff. I don't get killed at home, but this is one the best things I ever bought my life. This is A A headlam, but a really good one that made by a black diamond is the spot four hundred.

There's also the storm, four, fifty days, like forty books. The next one, APP is like sixty books. But this is no nothing like the cheap stuff you get for like five bucks at the drug store because it's I it's I P sixty seven rates.

So rain is not a problem. IT has A A lot of adjustability in the in the in the brightest of the light. So like if you're having its super, super bright at at its maximum three triple a batteries or the rechargeable battery pack will last for a like two hours.

But if you have IT like at a more sensible thing, just that you're not stumbling around, you can easily like lower IT and then you get like one hundred and sixty hundred and seventy hours to IT. And IT has multiple modes. So you have a sidelight for super intense.

You have a red, Green and blue light, so you don't want to compromise your night vision. And so now obviously, I talked about but this is well built also there's a battery status indicator, three, four lights over there and you can actually lock IT. So once in your pocket, if you hold down both of button simultaneously ah the buttons will start flashing and that means that you can put in your pocket but you you want accidentally turn IT on and run down the battery.

Well, like during the day, eight hours. Now I bought IT the first time I bought when these was for my bike because it's nice to have a headlamp on your bike. But that only points to where you're directed when sometimes you actually want to look to see where you don't want to crash. So you need to have a head of lab in a good one.

But my goodness, the man of time, the things that I use this for all the time, like if i'm so, for instance, if i'm fixing something, whether i'm underneath the sink or whether i'm just fixing fixing my camera, like on a desktop, having the super, super bright light that's aimed exactly where you're looking is killer and the having IT when when there's a power outage, I don't have to illuminate the entire place, I don't have to have lanterns, I can just, I want to do a see where i'm going. And so i've got this going for me. The fact that IT works on triple days or a rechargeable battery pack means that even if the power outage last three, four days, not like kill the recharge able battery and then i'm out.

I even use that a lot. Like when I just need to get up in the midst, the night is like I need to go downstairs with up. How many likes weft to turn on versus just take this off the the night stand draw, put IT on and i'm absolutely good on and on and on and on if if you have the point is if you have this with if you have this in your collection of stuff, there are so many times when you're not taking the bike rider, not walking in the dark, when you will realize that, oh, if, if, oh, this is the perfect thing for the situation.

I mean, right now. And once again, uh, I can't I can't estimate overstate the difference between the forty fifty box. If you buy even next one six years AMD box, the different ring this, and the five or ten dollars, the L D, with batteries in IT.

This is so much Better and so much more useful, uh, that I actually actually bought an upgrade, just like to have two, so I have won in my laptop bag at all times, but also like one like near the bed. So that again, if I to get up in the middle as the power's out, I need to quickly go to the office and turn shut down my server. You know, I don't have to worry about stumbling, stumbling over things. I get highest recommendation that is.

So it's expensive at sixty dollars for a headline, but it's worth you're saying, like I said.

that the difference for me, something that will last that doesn't matter if IT gets wet, if you're walking walking around the dark, that has the features where again, sometimes you need super, super intense light on our job that you're doing. Sometimes you just want a little bit of illumination so that you can see where you're going.

And and the fact that I the batteries are always good because I always have them turned down low because I early need that super intense stuff. And and again, the times where like against oh, how silly i've got a blue. I can make the other L D there are blue, red or Green. But then like how about the times where like you really do like don't want to destroy uh, the times from i'm amount of the night like taking us doing, ask for photography, you're in the middle, the woods. I don't want to destroy my night vision but I do need to check to see where this nob is said that when oh then good as this thing has a has a red or a blue light setting.

you should get the cat camel version, andy. So no wan, we'll see you coming. And then that .

way people tend to see me coming. That's how we have been exploited so much in in my life. But but it's also available. So I I only wish that like, so i've got, of course I have to get everything and like dark gray or black. I wish i'd gotten like a really bright red .

one because that someone .

i'm doing for listen that's easy to find in the .

dark are in the g 那么 no can also say that .

it's also like it's also useful for like i'm taking a walk of taking a picture that I I wish had some， oh, wait, I do. I do have a super intense fill like that I can add to try to this one spot again. IT is a floating solution to a number of problems and .

they had been worked storm for fifty or the spot four hundred.

I've got the spot four hundred. I had the storm for fifty, which I don't own, but i've been reading about IT. IT has user interface improvements ah it's got some things that things like that.

It's nothing that is super, super important to me, lot more important me than twenty bucks. If if it's on black friday sale and get IT for cheaper, of course, i'll get that one. yeah.

But I then I think about both of them. Is that like you don't have to pay for the rechargeable batter pack, you don't want to again, Normally IT just takes like three three double. And if you want to spend twenty box to thirty box for a barrier pack that charges of USB and just fits in the same space, IT doesn't at box. I don't include the battery and I think they have different packages. Some include the battery.

some don't OK that's from that is your storm headlamp from black diamond headlamps? No, i'm so black time and equipment that com, I imagine there's other stuff you can get there like cargo pants and bucket.

They also have these. They also have stuff for people who are in much Better shape than I am. But this is doesn't care what shape .

you're in IT somebody in the discard saying, where do you get those audio to? Very nice, Sandy. I like the lighting. Big improvement.

Where do you get those audio tours you were talking about? There are a lot of them, if you look audio tours, but the ones we are using, the funny one in hawaii with the shape vices shocker guide, because, of course, IT started in hawaii, but now all over the world, shocker guide, let us rap things up with Jason and we did Jason, we did any, oh I must be alex linsey pick of the week. And yesterday.

black magic released resolve nineteen nineteen point one. And IT is a huge upgrade, is a huge upgrade. Most notably um is that IT now supports the M B A G B C format.

So this is apples. They are not apples. But it's an impact format that apple is using for the apple vision pro, probably the first uh first application.

We there's a big final there's a big final cut conference going on starting tomorrow, tomorrow and thursday. Um that is as so we expect in the next day or two to see some updates to final cut. But right now, at least for the next couple of days, the only thing that really easily manages m BBC is resolved. And so resolve has um released those tools along with many, many other tools, including things like breaking your songs out into tracks and separating voices from their ambient versus the echo versus everything else to new tools in replay and fusion. And it's this is free, it's free means .

version IT.

Why is at the version? And because, you know, this is what I think black magic gets, is that you have this is a heavy APP and you had to learn how to use IT. no.

And so the thing is, is that allowing people to have most of the features they do, save some of those for the three hundred dollar version, which ships, by the way, with every black magic camera. So if you buy a black magic, I A bunch black mac cameras, I have a bunch of copies of resolve. So I for of the studio version, but really you can do any enormous amount of work in just the free version of resolve, which is why it's so it's becoming more and more popular.

And you have all the fair light tools. There's new fair light tools that are related is now supports fully supports ambas onic. A lot of are you know a lot of the surround is all supported as well as a just a growing number of tools that are within fair light.

And this thing is moving at the amount of features that they put into IT in every dot. One release is usually the number of new features that you see in whole release for most other applications. They just have so many engineers working on IT.

And so um so it's a free version if you're looking for something that and I spent about half my time in final cut, about half my time in in resolve, so what i'm editing. So if I need to do something really fast and I don't need a lot of control, I can do in final cut because I been using final cut s this point nine. So so and I just seem mostly moved over to the new one when I started.

So I and very comfortable and final cut when I know that i'm going to have to do precision work when it's going to be I want i'm going to do around work, when i'm going to do precision color work, when I need to have a lot of control, then I moved to resolve and now I have all the tools that I would need to, to put something together. And so so for me, it's it's a little bit of both, but the this update is staringly. I haven't got a chance to play with the great, but but generally, you know it's they've been very good at releasing this in a stable way.

So um i'm pretty excited i'm going to start throwing some M V H V C stuff into IT after the show um and and start to see what I can do with IT. But I am pretty excited. A lot of us we're trying to figure out what what do we do? How do we edit, how do we export? How do we do all those other things? And I think that this is also building up towards black magic, released in a camera that will probably need to work with nineteen point two or three or four, where it's really giving you all the tools you need to edit spiral neo or one hundred eighty degree stereo, which is probably coming before in A B next year.

I don't know any that means, but I know it's important and I probably .

shit means that you can develop for your favorite, your favorite deviously only the apple vision pro. This will be the action pro. Yeah yeah so it's so um so but I think that I I A lot of us have have known that the hard part over the last twenty years of working in spiracle has been the tools. And so seeing tools that are readily available, not super expensive, easy to use, that can let you edit these things is is going, I think is going to make a big difference in this market.

So i'll see to that that mark german came out with a big story just minutes ago. Apple's next device is an A I wall tablet for home control, siri and video calls that will tap in the cameras, dormers and run apple's apps. This something coming up next year. This going to be very interest as .

soon as march. And what's really interesting about this calls in a world tablet in the headline, but IT sounds like it's going to be modular because one of the questions was like, what is this a tablet you hang on the walls? Is this more like thing that you put in your kitchen with a speaker on IT and he says they'll be a speaker attachment.

So like you can put IT on, you can choose modularity to make IT a big, bigger speaker in your kitchen, or hang IT on a wall and use this to control your home and have access to actually lead. The other thought I had to have access to your security cameras that apple is them were to be building and then put those courses store of the video on this. This device sounds like a modified, what germin said before modified version of tvs, basically this thing that they may ultimately call OS and and he says, no APP store, which is interesting because that would be an advantage, would be you could use like the apple tvo APP store, but that sounds like they didn't they didn't want that in the first generation product.

Uh, but a really interesting that we might get another talking about apple in the home, a compelling product where apples got a lot of the pieces here. They just need to put IT together and that sounds like maybe they're gona do that early next year. That's awesome.

They finally get the memo from alex. Linsey.

yeah. Thanks for sending the memo, alex.

Over.

over again every week. First couple years now.

I was nAiling his memos to the doors of apple park. Hear you peer .

airplanes.

People are planes. Things like.

I just want to live switch. I just want a lighter witch.

Years to come. He will be the Martin luther of apple will know. Wow, that's good. We will talk a lot more about that next week. We do mac break quickly on tuesdays, and apple usually try those press releases after after we're done. But this time marker man scupham tuesday eleven a emphasize c to pm eastern one thousand nine hundred hundred UTC you can watch this life, we have nine streams now that twelve hundred eighty three people watching on those nine streams course some of our club members watching in our club twit discord, youtube, dcom slash tweet slash live twitch 到 TV slash twit were also on kick x dot com linked in facebook and tiktok， yes, tiktok, because i'm with the kids hip and .

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Yeah, who knows what's the future? tiktok? I I like tiktok. I want tiktok to survive. Uh, thank you all for a being here. You can also know you don't have to watch live. You can also watch up to the fact, which is how the fast majority people do IT.

We keep copies of the show, a audio or video, your choice on our website, twitter, a TV flash, mb w if you go there, you'll also to see a link to a youtube channel with all the video from every show. That's handy because it's a good way to share a little clip with somebody if you want to say, hey, i'm excited. Look at apples about to do that kind of thing or here's a cool tip.

If you like poker and you know whatever IT is, you can share that from the youtube channel. Easiest way though. And I think the most people listen this way to subscribe in your favorite podcast player, put IT on your ipod sink, IT up by a firewire, and then you can listen, wherever you are, the links to with the rss feed and a number of links to a number of different podcast players also available with that TV.

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