Let's Slay with Sarah Michelle Gellar
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I was looking through like comments on my Instagram the other day for some strange reason, because I've kind of stopped doing that. But I think I was super bored. And I saw someone say, oh, it's such a shame that you and Sarah aren't friends anymore. We never see you guys on social media. And I thought, do people think that like we live our lives out on social media? And if we're not posting photos of us together, that it means we're not friends. It was the oddest sort of

aha moment that I had where I was like, wow, they like people really do think that anybody who's important to each of us, we're always going to be posting like pictures on social media. You know, I've tried also really hard to limit the comments because it's just so hard to please everyone. Nowadays, I feel like it's really hard to please anyone. And I've almost never

I've taken a big step back from social media lately, and I've just been more work-focused. But it's hard because you want to please the fans that are really there for you and support you. But at the same time, it takes a big chunk out of you. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think emotionally it can be very draining, and it's very time-consuming sometimes.

And I've said this a bunch of times so far that it's always the most negative voice that seems to be the loudest, even though it's, you know, so few of them. But that friendship thing was just so interesting to me because it's not as if you and I don't check in with each other. It's not as if you didn't invite me to like this wonderful, you know, dinner with a bunch of people recently, but you know, you have kids. I have no life. I, I,

I am. I really just realized I have absolutely no life. I don't think I went to the bathroom yesterday. I don't think I have time in my schedule to actually do that yesterday. And it's it it gets harder. I'm hoping that soon enough Charlotte will drive, which is also a scary prospect. But and then I might have a little bit more time because right now I'm pretty much an unpaid Uber driver.

I got to be honest with you. Charlotte driving doesn't scare me as much as Rocky driving. You know, I think you think that because you think that Rocky would be like the fast driver. But Charlotte is like so easily distracted, right? Like, oh, radio, butterfly. Rocky is on the driving. Like he just did. You know, he's gonna be on the road.

That's true. So I think in a weird way, actually, you should be more worried about being in Charlotte's car. And she will expect you to be in her car, by the way. I know. But, you know, I'm probably going to give it like a good six months of her driving before I actually jump in the car with her. Just seems a little bit more on the safer side. May I do that? Yeah. You put Freddie in the car. Perfect.

I mean, my dad taught me how to drive. Like, that's what you do. The dads go in. I was also thinking today as I was showering and then blowing my nose because I'm a little sick. I love that you think of me when you shower. I know. Well, I was like, wow, this is a friendship that we've had for a very long time that has had zero competitiveness.

that has just been nothing but love and support and standing by each other, giving each other space when we needed space, giving each other love when we needed love. And that when we met the time period that we met, it wasn't really that much of like a female friendly time period at all. And yet it,

You really kind of want to say took me under your wing, right? Because you were, it was the WB, correct? Yeah. The Dabba Dabba. And we did that big WB promo shoot and he kind of just like scooped me up like a little baby bird. And you're like, we got this, we got this. And, um,

And that continued throughout my career and more importantly, like throughout our lives. Yeah, it's so interesting because I didn't grow up around supportive women in this industry, right? I mean, I started in soaps, which was the most competitive. And now, because I've been doing like a lot of

thinking about the past and just how things have changed lately. And I don't know, I think the only reason that I did that honestly was just I was such a huge fan.

Because that was out of my comfort zone to go up to another woman and try to make friends. Because I always thought women didn't like me or want to be friends. I didn't have a lot of... I had my female friends from childhood that you know every one of them. And a couple crew female friends, but I just didn't have that many. But I honestly, I think it was just...

You're such a fan. But I think that's how it actually started. I just couldn't pass up the opportunity to like talk to you. I mean, maybe then it must've been the same on both sides. Cause I just remember being like, okay, the girl who literally kicks ass wants to hang out with me. It was, um,

And it wasn't just hanging out. You took me to one of my wrap parties because I wasn't going to go. Which is so funny because I never went to mine. I know. I remember you being like, I've never gone to one of mine, but we're going to yours, which turned out to be a lot of fun for the hour that we were there. But yeah, it's anytime I've gotten a job or you've gotten a job, or anything significant has happened in our lives,

It's just been nothing but love and support. And either, you know, you driving out to Malibu and during cancer, during treatments and taking me to lunch and just hanging out and just sitting around and talking to our, you know, COVID pod that we had, which was a blast. Yeah. I mean, you gave my children such a life in COVID and,

And I was really struggling with how to give them that freedom and that room to be kids and to have adventures. And you opened your home to us and COVID in a way that I will for the rest of my life be grateful for. You gave them adventures and just freedom. And I can never repay that.

Because that was such a difficult time. And so seeing my kids that happy and giving me a break, whether I mean, people don't know this. I mean, Shannon sat there sometimes while they were on Zoom school and help them. And, you know, we would have blackouts and she would plan adventures. And we just it was such a special time. And while that time period was so stressful and I never want to repeat that, I never want homeschooling again.

There are times where I miss that slow life and just like being able to, to be like that and, and having your kids spend that time with you too. Right now, if I, you know, they want to go see you and spend a whole day, but they've got dance and football and basketball. You know, it's like, it's just a, it's such a time suck life. And I, there are days I really miss it. Yeah. I mean, interestingly enough, I kind of feel the same COVID was,

it was incredibly stressful and, you know, far more stressful, I think for people with kids. Or people with compromised health. Or people with compromised health, but it was a slower pace and you did get to connect in a way that once life resumes its normal pace, you don't have necessarily the time to connect like you did during COVID. And, uh,

You know, you guys helped me quite a bit through that time as well, because it's hard being isolated, especially as someone who's immune compromised. And you were all so incredibly careful about sort of who you were around and all of that in order to actually come here and hang out and go swimming and do wine challenges, which

You know, we're way overdue. Yes, we need a new one. That'll be my New Year's resolution is figure out what the next one is. The push-up one was pretty good that I sent you, but you were far too confident in your ability to do it. Oh, I can do that. I know. You're like, yeah, I got that. And I'm like, we need a harder one.

No, my pushups have gotten really good. You look amazing. Well, I've had a few months off from work to be able to focus on training while my kids are in school. And you've had... It's so funny. So my producer, Lorraine, sends me notes on everyone. Doesn't matter. Oh, I like that you got notes on me. I did. I got notes on you. And...

And it's pretty historical because some are like, oh, hey, fun facts. And some is, you know, your entire bio, which is a crazy long, long, long bio. Where are my notes on you? You don't get notes. Yeah.

You know, from like doing a TV movie called An Invasion of Privacy at the Age of Six, which I'm now going to figure out how I get to watch it. You know who was in that movie? Who? It was a crazy cast. Richard Masser, Carol Kane, Jerry Orbach, Valerie Harper. Like that was my first big job and it was a crazy cast. That's like a pretty huge cast. Yeah. And that was your very first job. Yeah. That's wild. And then you were on All My Children, which I knew, which is...

To me, soap actors might work the absolute hardest.

Oh, not without question. And what's funny, too, is that because, you know, you're doing an episode a day. So you have massive amounts of lines to remember and hit your marks. And they only do it once, maybe twice. I used to learn that if you cursed, they had to like do a second take. But my character had no friends. So my character only did monologues to herself in mirrors. So it was just like just the most massive amount of dialogue always because I had nobody to talk to. Right. Yeah.

Yeah, that was. And how I mean, how was that? Because soaps are and I know that you're wasn't Kelly Ripa on with you. Yeah, I and you guys are really good friends. Yeah. And Eva LaRue. Yes. I mean, we had we had good times. Like I had a really good group. Rebecca Gayheart was across the hall. Like you just it was it was really fun. I mean, I was a little young.

So sometimes I missed out on stuff because I was still only 15 and 16. I was still in school. But I made incredible friends that I still, Dondre, like there's so many people that, you know, I still see. And it was like, it was exciting time. It was a lot of work. And I was trying to juggle high school too. Kelly is awesome because she, I just saw her when I did her show. And at the commercial break, she was like,

are you ready? Are you ready to date? Are you ready for a boyfriend? I'm going to find you someone. And she started like taking, like asking me like, what's your list? What do you need? She was like, Oh, I think I got somebody in mind. I was like, dude, just, just text me. And you can, you've you're a hundred percent the right person to start setting me up. I'm fine with that.

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Fun fact about you was that you graduated because you just mentioned that you were doing All My Children while you were actually still finishing high school as well. And you graduated with straight A's. I did early. I was a couple weeks after my 16th birthday. And do you know who threw my graduation party? Who? Kelly. Kelly.

How do I not know any of this? Because it was I was it wasn't really in the public eye. So it wasn't you know, it wasn't like a big thing. But I actually saw Kelly. I saw Kelly right after you did because she came out here for a party for Elsa's daughter. And we were talking about like Charlotte is the age where Mark and Kelly, you know, met me. And they were talking about like they were just sort of blown away because they hadn't seen. I don't.

Kelly's maybe seen Charlotte. I don't think Mark had seen Charlotte since she was like littler. And so Mark was just like he like was finding his words. And I was like, yeah, we were talking about my graduation that day through. How was that? Like, what did they do for you? Do you remember it? Yeah. Her. Well, they were all at the ceremony at Lincoln Center.

They were all there. And then they rented. It was like a slash 16th birthday graduation party. I forget. I bet one of them will. I mean, Kelly won't, but maybe Eva remembers where it was. I'm sure it was like some like bar they rented out that I couldn't drink at that everybody else could. Your school had a graduation at Lincoln Center. Well, you grew up in New York City. It's not, you know.

Yeah. That's like the local hall, right? I mean, it's not like... Right. But to me, you hear Lincoln Center and you're like, oh my God, it's Lincoln Center. That's pretty amazing that a school would have that. It wasn't Alice Tully Hall. It was one of the smaller... Gotcha. It wasn't like, you know... Thank you for clarifying that for me. I don't know. I had people just imagining just like, just, you know, and we were a small grade, just like being dwarfed on the stage. Yeah.

And so obviously one of the absolute biggest things, not the, but one of the biggest TV shows that in your career was Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Oh, that's the biggest television show. I mean, that's, I mean, that's, I, I challenge you to find a bigger one that I did. Okay. I personally, I'm like the crazy ones working with Robin Williams. That to me is, you know, you got to work with a comedic genius and,

Just a genius sort of all the way around. And I watched the show every single week and I really loved it. So I understand that it may not have been as much of a pop culture iconic show as Buffy, but that was a critically acclaimed show for sure. It also changed my life. That's what eventually made me take the break was Buffy.

You know, we were doing the show. Rocky, when I did the pilot, was three months old. Like I went back to work right away because I was desperate to work with Robin. I mean, when that opportunity came my way, there was no way to pass it up. No. And I was one of the few people that knew while we were doing the show that he was really struggling, that he wasn't well. And I soaked up.

every moment I could with him. And just, I felt like the work was the easy part for me. It was just making sure that, you know, he was okay and that they weren't working him too hard. And, you know, the couple people that were around him on the show that knew, we were very protective because, you know, working on a show is a hard job and you don't, you want to, without spilling his secrets, you want to protect him.

And when he passed away, just everything stopped for me. And I, I mean, you were there through this, but I just said, what am I doing? Like, my kids are really young. I've worked my whole life. Like, I don't want to miss, I don't want to miss this. I don't, you know, I don't want to be gone when Rocky takes his first step. I don't want to be. And that's what made me take all those years off was, was Robin and, and not just him, but just, you know, those moments in your life stop you in your tracks and you, you

- Gives you a different sort of a clarity. - Yeah, yeah. - And your priorities shift.

A little bit. Yeah. And during that time, didn't you? Isn't that also when you started Foodsters? I started Foodsters right after that, when I was like, what else should I? And part of that was like based on the show is I got so interested in advertising and products and how you, you know, that sort of sparked that side of it. And it was great because it allowed me to, you know, be with the kids when they really needed me and when they wanted to be with me.

When I wasn't just like, can you take me to Sephora? Or can you take me to Jingle Ball? That's a huge one. Right. That's a big one that I get. Or Wingo Tango, speaking of iHeart. And, you know, and now it was like the right time because they have busier lives than me. And so it was like, oh, I can go back to work now. I also loved Foodstirs because you would send me

Food. Food all the time. It was awesome. I would get like all the batters. And so I loved that time. I was like, this is amazing. I don't have to do any sort of hard baking. Sarah's got me covered. Just boxes of stuff would come or I would come to like the offices and snag a whole bunch of stuff. Yeah, it was a good time. And it was, you know, it was funny. I say this a lot. It really...

helped me when I went back to work because I went back to a different business. You know, I went back to a business that went from being really entertainment based to a lot of it being tech based. And it gave me a sort of deeper understanding of how streamers work and churn and ROI and all of those things that I don't think I would have had, especially as I now say so much more into producing as well, that I do have this

very deep understanding of how that works that I never would have had otherwise. Yeah. I mean, you just said a whole bunch of stuff in there that I'm like, what did she just say? I would have thought ROI was the camping store, but I think that's REI. It goes to show you how much I camp.

I'm like, what is she talking about right now? I do know that like you're the one person I call. You and Anne-Marie are probably the two people that I call when I have any questions about computers or Instagram or any of it. I am the tech person in this house. I am IT. Yes, you are. And you're really, really, really good at it. Oh, good. But I just use it as I don't I don't get frustrated and I don't give up.

Like there's two kinds of personalities, right? Like you're like Freddie, you're like, ah, it doesn't work. You know, like that's, you two are similar. And for me, I'm like, my mind, like, I want to figure out what's like, I'm the person that would take apart toys to see how they worked. Yeah. I actually, do you ever tell the story about my Emmy?

No. I heard a sound in Miami, which is somewhere in the south. Why isn't it like displayed directly behind you? My people's choice in my MTV are, which it's what my MTV awards are right there. Wait, there's one behind me, I think, too. Maybe. Maybe.

They're not because for me, the awards that are voted on by the fans, like the reason I do what I do, just always held more importance to me. And so I have more of my awards around me, like my Glamour Woman of the Year. I don't know. Those to me just are the ones that are like right by me. And the other ones, well, I'm super appreciative and very grateful that I have them.

I don't know. It's just not the same to me. But the Emmy, I was convinced that there was like something inside of it. Right. And it's like a surprise that only Emmy winners know I convinced myself of this.

So I decided to take apart my Emmy and see the surprise that like only Emmy winners know. Can I tell you this? No. And was that a story that had gotten passed down to you or is it just a story you came up with and convinced yourself of? A story I came up with and convinced myself that there was a secret society of Emmy winners that know what's inside the Emmy. And so I opened it up and it was a loose screw.

And when I put it back together, I could never get it to line up. Right. So my Emmy's like kind of crooked. Like they go like this and mine's sort of like walking. Yeah. They would probably be happy to fix that for you. Yeah. But mine's an original.

It is. It is. And now you have this story where you convinced yourself that there was a secret society of Emmy winners who just knew that there was like a prize, a prize, like the Emmy wasn't enough. There's like a prize somewhere in there. Yeah. Yeah. No, there's no, that is it. And what did you win the Emmy for? Oh, my children.

Okay, so now let's go back to Buffy for a minute. Because from what I was reading on your bio, you originally, I know it's so weird that I just read your bio. I could write your bio. You could write my bio and you would do a much better job than I would writing my own. You're very good with words as well.

You auditioned for a different part than Buffy originally is what I read. Yeah, I auditioned for Cordelia because I had come off all my children playing like the bad character and I had dyed my hair pitch black. I was this like, you know, emo New York girl living in L.A. And so Cordelia seemed like the right choice. And so I auditioned and I went through the process and I screen tested the studio at the network and then they offered me the job and they said they still could. I said, well, who's going to be Buffy? And

they said well we can't find anyone we're still looking and I was like well could I audition for Buffy and my representative at my manager at the time was like no no don't do that because you could confuse them and then they could like not give you Cordelia and I was like but I think I could do Buffy and I was like you know I have a background in Taekwondo I know the movie like just because I look a certain way and my manager was like don't do it don't do it um but Joanne my agent was like she should totally do it and I went in and I auditioned 11 more times and uh

a bunch more screen tests and on the last screen test they said okay can you come back in one more they sent the other girl home they said can you come back in one more time and I just broke down in tears to the casting director to Marsha and I just said okay I can't I'll be Cordelia like this process has been insane like I don't know what I'm doing you obviously don't want me like I'm out just just sign my deal for Cordelia and then she's like no just come back one more time and I'm like I can't I'm as literally bawling I'm scared running down my eyes and

She said she dragged me into the room and it was like 35 people in the room because, you know, what screen tests were like in those days. And I walked in and they all clapped and said, we found our Buffy. And there I was looking like a total wreck.

But 11 times, like why 11 times were you auditioning with other people? Were you? No, I was getting notes. I was dying my hair through that process. They could see what I looked like. It was just a pretty like brutal process for a mid-season replacement show on a network. No one had heard of, but based on a movie that,

was not successful. So it was quite a process, but yeah. I mean, 11 times at that age for, you know, everything that you said, a network that nobody had heard of, mid-season replacement. I don't think people really understand what the auditioning process is like and how rough. And certainly, like you said, back then it was far more difficult. It wasn't necessarily actor-friendly.

It was 35 people in a room, all sitting there, all judging you. Stone-faced. Stone-faced. If you got a laugh out of them, you walked out going like, oh my God, I nailed the job. And then you didn't nail it. So then all of a sudden you're saying to yourself, well, I can't judge anything based off of their reactions because they're either stone-faced or they're doing a fake laugh.

That is, and then to have to like dye your hair and go through all of that. Was Joss Whedon sort of the one really pulling for you? Did you ever find out if he was the guy that was like, this is my Buffy? Or was it he had to be convinced through those 11 auditions that were brutal to go through as well? I don't know.

I think I never wanted to relive that period of the audition process. And I was just done with it. I just didn't want to talk about it or think about it. I don't know. And you said that you had a brown belt in Taekwondo, which is huge. Yeah, Richard Chun Studio on East 86th Street.

And I loved it, but I got, it got, I got to like middle school and I was a competitive figure skater. I was doing competitive Taekwondo. I was acting and I was in school. And my mom said, you have to pick two. Like we can't do this anymore. And I went, and she went, one of them has to be school.

I thought maybe that was my out and I could skip that one. Yeah. But no, alas. And so that's when I dropped taekwondo and ice skating because my future was, you know, I was never going to be an Olympic ice skater. I'll tell you that. I was not that good. And I just figured I'd have...

a little more success making a life for myself in entertainment than in Taekwondo. But it all worked out in the end. They both worked out for me. Yeah, it all worked out for you. And I can 100% see you taking on all those different things all at one time because you are one of the most disciplined human beings I've ever met. You have such ridiculous work ethic.

She's being really nice to just not call me type A. That's her way of like being nice about the fact that I'm so type A that like they wrote a, probably wrote a book about me. Or if you look in the definition and Webster's of what is type A, it just says right under Reese Witherspoon. It just says Sarah Michelle Gellar. It's just the two of us.

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It's very true. You are a type A, but I mean, I admire that a lot. I think that there have been times in my life where I probably could have benefited from a little bit more discipline. And you always, always, always had it. You were just, this is what I'm going to do. And I watch it with your kids and how you manage, and with your husband, how you manage to keep

your family, your priority, but still work, still support friends, still do creative things. You just somehow managed to do it all. And what you can cram into one day and go work out. I'm like, you would call, you'd be like, Hey, we're going to go work out at eight o'clock in the morning. I was like, have fun. Yeah. That's not your favorite, but you know what? It was funny. I was just thinking too, like back to the time when we first met, um,

I'm glad you weren't as disciplined as you are now then because you showed me fun. I never, I didn't go out. I just worked. And because of you, I had fun adventures and I went out and had friends and, you know, whether it was like bowling at one in the morning at the old Jerry's Deli, you know, or whatever.

Or Ricky Martin. That was all you, Ricky Martin concert. That was me. That was my friend of mine from Soaps. Yeah, that was, that was, those pictures still circulate everywhere of us at the Ricky Martin concert. You know, it's funny. I always remember these boots that I had that at the concert. I had my first pair of Prada boots ever. And they had this little like wallet on the side. Like I remember on the boot and I just shoved my credit card. You drove, I shoved my credit card and like a couple dollars in it. And we didn't have cell phones then. So like my pager was, I probably left it at home.

And they just read your pager. Remember my pager number, the best pager number in the world. Yes. You won three, two Oh, two Oh, two Oh one best pager number. And they just re-release those boots. Those boots are like super popular again. I was like, if only I'd saved those. You didn't save them. No. Cause I, I think I still have New York mentality, like an apartment mentality, which is there's no room to save anything. And so I've just never been a saver like that. Like I just, you have like,

you know, your warehouses of stuff. I have nothing. Yeah. Storage units. I don't have that stuff. Yeah. I mean, I, I, there's just those certain like pieces that I will never get rid of. Even, even when I can't fit into them anymore, I'm like, I'm going to keep it. One of them was the Dolce Gabbana skirt, silk, long, tight, like,

uh, skirt that I wore for the WB promos. And I have it. I love it. I have probably tried it on at least, let's say in this year, five times. You can't fit into it. I certainly can't. Then like, maybe I can get it over my butt, but nope, still no go. Even after infusions. And after a couple of days of sickness, I'm like, okay, now I can, now it'll fit. Um,

Little known fact about you is you will like go shopping and see the sixth dining room table. And you'll be like, I might need that someday. And you will, because it's so beautiful. You can't pass it up. Meanwhile, I'm still waiting to get a dining room table because I still haven't ordered anyone. Yeah. I mean, I do have a furniture fetish. I know it's pretty bad. It's really bad. It's really good taste. Thank you. So, and you did, did you do a lot of your stunts on Buffy? Yeah.

As much as I was allowed to and I was capable of. I mean, I didn't fall off buildings and stuff, but I did a lot of like the hand-to-hand combat and yeah. That's what I call doing your own stuff. I like when you just ask that, like you didn't know that I did because you were there on set, but okay. I know. You're so professional, Shan. I am. I'm trying to be very professional and... I can't wait to be on your late night talk show. I know, right? Well, by the way, hair just went on my nose. My nose is running. It's all a mess over here today, but...

Yes, I did know that you did most of your stunts that you could do. Falling off buildings is not something I opted to do either. And I think it was one of the things that was so cool about the two of us. I like to say that we had a cool period, or at least I did, was that we were doing a lot of our own stunts. We were girls that actually knew how to kick ass. Yes.

And to do all that hand-to-hand combat, I got to do all of the wire work. You were, you know, stabbing people with stakes. I got to do fun wire work. When I did Scooby-Doo, they hired the Japanese team from Matrix. Yes. And they flew them to Australia. And I didn't work that much in the first movie. And so I would just spend all my free time learning tricks with them. And it was great too, because they spoke very little English, um,

So my stunt double who was from Buffy, I brought out to Australia with me. We were blonde girl and other blonde girl. So they called us and we worked on all this crazy stuff. And then when we went, because in the beginning, when we were doing Scooby-Doo, I was still on, we were still doing Buffy. So we would do two weeks, Australia, two weeks, LA, and we would just fly back and forth.

And Melissa and I would learn these wire tricks. And if we didn't use them for Scooby, we would she would call ahead to our stunt coordinator and then he would rig it and we could do the wire work for Buffy. Then that was like when we started bringing in wire work because we were training with this like ridiculously incredible team. Yeah, those guys are.

are ridiculous. My, we had a stunt guy, Chad Stahelski on Charmed. I know Chad. Yeah. Who was Keanu Reeves'

you know, stunt man and obviously worked with that whole wire crew and then went on to direct John Wick. It was really weird when he doubled for you though. It worked somehow. But he, he, him and Dave Huggins and it was like a whole crew, Mike over there, those guys all taught me how to do the wire work. And it was truly some of the most fun, um,

stuff I've ever been able to do in my entire career. And I always say that before I die, I just want to be an old John Wick. That's it. Okay. We can probably make that happen. I don't want like the, you know, hardcore drama anymore. I just not interested in winning awards. Just want to be an old lady, John Wick who kicks ass. You should make it happen. So how was that set to work on? Because again, back then for me personally, I,

It wasn't as if you met, we talked about this, a lot of women that were super supportive of each other. You are the star of a show. You are clearly the star. It's Buffy the Vampire Slayer. That is the name. The show is now riding on your shoulders along with Joss. And if I recall correctly from our conversations and from seeing you after work sometimes or on the weekends, you were working extremely long hours, right?

It was a difficult time. You know, it was, it was a hard show. I, it was a, it was a, it was a tough show. It was tough hours. It was tough emotionally. Right. It was tough. You know, it was, it was, it was, it was hard. And it was a hard time. I think any time that somebody is working 18 hours a day is extremely, extremely, extremely hard. And it's sort of,

The first season of Charmed, we worked ridiculously long hours as well. And it drains you. And it doesn't matter how much you absolutely love your job. It doesn't matter how much you love going to the set and playing that character and how appreciative you are. At the end of the day, you go home and you're exhausted. Especially when then you're taking on doing your own stunts and everything else. It just becomes...

It becomes tiring, which is, I think, why our silly moments are our Ricky Martin concerts and our bowling alleys was such a relief because it was able to sort of shed everything else and just kind of go out and be normal girls our age and have fun.

Yeah, and it was a good time too because it was before, you know, cell phones, before everybody took pictures of you and video of you when you didn't know it and you were allowed to have private moments. But what I will say about that time is while we may not have been a super close female cast on the show,

As adults, I mean, I guess a lot of them were adults then, but like as grownups now, we've all found our ways back to each other and it's the support of each other exists now. Yes. And that's kind of really cool. I mean, I joke that I'm going to hire Emma as my publicist because she's she might be my biggest hype woman ever.

and, you know, supporting Alison on Dancing with the Stars and, you know. She was great on it. I told her, I said, you were the reason for that show. Like, that show has gone to a place now where it's just like, everyone's had professional dancing or cheerleading or, and it's not fun. What that show was originally about was taking somebody out of their comfort zone and making them a dancer. And I can tell you, I did a musical episode with Alison, right? Musicality was not her thing and she would run away from it. And

To watch how much she loved being on that show and to watch her body transform and her dancing transform. Like she was, in my opinion, and I told her this, the real winner of that season. Like, so she doesn't have a mirror ball, but she was the winner. Yeah. I mean, people were...

in love with her for she, and she was just a ray of light. Literally she was, you could tell how excited she was after each dance, her positivity shined through. Uh, I agree with you. Obviously I, I did it for a very, very, very short period of time. And, um,

It is really about those people that don't have any of that experience and to watch them blossom and find hope

and find music and find their body and that they can move their body in a different way and embrace dance and how it sort of fulfills them and makes them so incredibly happy. I hope that they hear this on Dancing with the Stars and find more people like that and less people that have that dance experience because as the audience, that's what you want to see. I completely agree.

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You now have you, you, I remember you calling me and you're like, I'm going back to work again, which I love about you because you are so family oriented that you will take chunks of time off. You're like, okay, my kids really need me for this. My kids really need me for that. My husband needs me. And by the way, your husband who, you know, I love Freddie Prince, like love, love, love, love, love him. And, um,

You said to me, I'm going back to work, this great show, Wolfpack, and I got all excited for you. And you were sending me photos from the set in Atlanta and where you were staying and food shots because you're a foodie. Oh, yeah. You love food and you love adventurous food. And I got to tell you, I became addicted to the show. Yeah.

You know, it was just a great experience all around. Jeff Davis reminded me how much fun it is to make TV. And he really let me executive produce that show and be involved in every episode.

you know, like last second of it. I loved the kids made me their like new excitement about the job. And, you know, that sort of that youthful feeling

hope and it rubbed off on me and Freddie says it rubbed off on him too, just like the kids and how just excited they were every day to be there. And, you know, a lot of times with kids, it can be a harder experience, right? Because they, you know, they want to get to the fame quickly because that's how they're that generation is, you know, with social media and all that. And I have these four kids. I mean, they're adults, I should not kids, but

They worked so hard every day. They came in on days off to learn stuff. They asked if they could come to production meetings, if they could sit behind the director, the DP. It was just, they were exactly what you hope for in those experiences. And we just, we had a blast. Well, I had a blast watching it. And I went to your, I'm just going to give a quick breakdown. I went to your wedding. Yes. And without any,

Without divulging too much because...

I feel like I keep on saying one of the things I love about you. So I should have just created a list and gotten it over with from the beginning. You can send it to me for Christmas. It's fine. I will. That will be your Christmas present is how closely you guard your privacy and how closely you guard your family and particularly your children. And even just now with me, there's some things that we don't need to talk about because it's not going to serve anybody well.

well. And I love that. I love that you are not a closed book with your close friends, but very respectful of the boundaries that you have set for yourself and what access people have to your life, which I think also continues to give you mystery as an actor. It's interesting. I, for me, just know that I'm not a strong enough person to be able to take

that pulling apart of my, of who I really am. But I look at you and how brave you are sharing all of your experiences and doing this show and really telling the truth because it's so hard sometimes now to get the truth out there. And there's parts of me that wish I could be more like you and be able to share those experiences because I know how much it helps other people. And I

I know that I'm not that person that can do it. And so that's, I think why I've had to set those boundaries for myself. But I hope, you know, like there's not a day that goes by that people don't come up to me on the street and talk to me about you and talk to me about how, you know, the hope that you give them, that you remind them that we all have to live and that bad stuff happens even to famous people. And, you know, like,

You tell your truth in such a way that I don't know if you know the reach that you have and how important it is. And

Even when I get down about dumb things, like I think about you and I mean, look, let's be honest. Like you're going to outlive me. Like we all know this. You're going to be telling me to do things until I'm a hundred. I don't, I don't think I'll be like forcing you to write a memoir at some point. You're going to be like, no, I'm still not doing it. I'm going to be like, come on. That's not me. But yeah,

I don't know. I just, I think you're one of the bravest people that I know. And the way you hit life head on and it's, we should all have a little, a little more Shannon in ourselves. Thank you. I mean, listen, bravery comes in all sorts of different forms, right? I think there's my form of bravery and there's your form of bravery. And, and,

Pausing an incredibly successful career to focus on your children, to focus on your family is also very brave. Starting a company like you did with Foodstirs is incredibly brave. And setting boundaries, particularly in this day and age where I think everybody is

is expecting full access to your life because so many people are giving full access to their life. You know, they're literally conducting their lives on TikTok or Instagram

Twitter, which I guess is called X or any of these social media platforms. The only one I participate in is Instagram. Yeah, but my MySpace page is a fire. I eat on Facebook. I love that we actually... I meant MySpace. I eat on Friendster. We were around during MySpace. That's frightening. I didn't have one. You didn't? Somebody made me one. I didn't. I don't even think I had an email then.

I was late to even have an email address. I did. It was an, but it's an AOL. Like I missed all of AOL. Like by the time I got an email address, it was Yahoo. Really? Yeah. I didn't. I, yeah, no. I love, I still have my AOL email. I know you do. I know you do. I love it. It's, you know, I use my Gmail more, but I have it there particularly because there's so many things that came to that email that,

I don't delete anything. I like paper trails. I'm a big fan of those. So all that stuff is still saved on that AOL account. But anyway, going back to the being brave thing,

You know, it's, I would imagine, and from women that I've spoken to in the business that have families, it can be really hard to sort of juggle both. And I think you have juggled it with a lot of grace and been brave enough to take time off when you felt like your kids needed it the most and take time off to charge into new adventures. And that is brave as well.

Yeah, I mean, I try. I'm grateful. Being a mom for me has really been the most rewarding part of my life. Definitely the hardest. Working is way easier. But I have really good kids and I have a really great husband and it does make wanting to do that easier. You do. I love your family. You know that. And my family loves you. I'm not sure which, Freddie or I, which one loves you more. There's always been just this

like brother sister crazy love between freddie and myself it's the oddest thing but i just adore him and i remember that we first bonded over gaming oh yeah you were both big gamers yes every quest in those days when you were there were days where i'd be like shannon we have to go she's like i can't the dragon's gonna lay the egg i'm like oh my god not you too it was like i got it on both ends i got it from him i got it from you and do you remember i joined that um group uh

It was called Wow Widows. No, it was Whoa Widows of Everquest. Yes. Because I was a double widow. I was a widow from him and from you. And from me. And then Macaulay. Oh, yeah. Another one. And Mila. We were all sort of gamers. I was left out in the cold. You were left out in the cold. You were not interested in the gaming world. We were. I'm really glad I got out of that. Yeah.

Although I revisited a little bit during COVID and then had to pull myself out. I was like, okay, that's enough. We played a lot of board games in COVID. You with the jigsaw puzzles is brilliant. And I still have two of them that you left here untouched. We played a lot of Rummy Cube. We did. We did. But yeah, those other jigsaw puzzles you're going to have to come over and help me with. And yeah,

Here for our listeners is another fun fact real quick before I let Sarah go. Sarah does not do podcasts. It's like her rule. She does not do podcasts. And when I called her and was like, I think it was actually text. I was like, dude, are you going to do my podcast? And she was like, are you really going to make me break my rule of no podcast for you?

And I said, well, do I need to pull out the cancer card? And you were like, yes, I mean, I'm pulling out the card. I mean, I'm telling you, I'm going to be like 95 and you're going to be like, no, we're going to this bingo night. I'm like, I don't want to go. And you're going to be like, I have cancer. This is this is going to be our relationship until you're going to. Yeah, it's you're going to make it's drag queen bingo night. We are going. And I'll be like, I can't move. I broke my hip yesterday. And you'll be like, I have cancer. We're going.

I have cancer. You have to come. What's a broken hip compared to cancer. Let's go. That's what you're going to do. No, I totally know this for the rest of my life. And it's not that I don't do podcasts. I've done a few. Um, it's just that so many people that I love really dearly have them. And it's so hard to be like, to juggle the time and you want to do like, I, I, although I asked Freddie a couple of times if he would like me on his, and he has declined just for the record, um, which I think is really funny. Um,

I was like, because he has this really cool, you know, horror podcast. And so I've asked him and I'm like, you know, I've been in a few horror movies. It's like, no, maybe, maybe not. I mean, we could do The Grudge. Like, he has no interest in having me. Yeah. Yeah. And we didn't even go through your entire resume, but we don't have to because we're friends and anybody can go look up your bio and see, you know, how great your career is. For the episode where I get to interview you.

Anytime that you want, you can interview me. That's season two. But I love you. And thank you so much for doing this. Thank you for letting me pull the cancer card on you. I would have done it without this. And I just want to say this to all of your listeners. Like you're so lucky to get to see this part of Shannon, because this is the part of Shannon that I have known my entire adult life, which is a lot longer than you probably realize because I'm old. But yeah,

You have so much to give and so much to share. And this Shannon now is like the best Shannon I've ever seen. And I've seen a lot of incantations of Shannon, but you are living your truth. You are happier and lighter. Even though there's been, this has been an awful year. Awful year. Absolutely awful year for you. And yeah,

The Shannon of 20 years ago would be angry about it and would fight it. And this Shannon is like, well, these are my cards. So this is what I'm going to do. And I'm going to get through this too. And I can, and I'm going to do it with grace and I'm going to be honest. And I'm telling you, like, you don't know how many people, um,

you reach and how many people on the street every day, like Shannon's awesome. We want the best for her. You need to like, this is a constant in my life. And I get prouder and prouder all the time when people say it to me and have just like, just how you've handled this year. Thank you. Thank you. I love you. I love you too. You'll make me cry. So I'm going to stop right there. Um, I love you and thank you. And, um,

I mean, I will, I'll, I'll drive with Charlotte. It's fine. I mean, I'm not going to, I'll do it. It's okay. I have no problems. I'll do it. Okay. All right. Well, thank you so much for being on everybody. That was a, let's be clear with Shannon Doherty and Sarah, Michelle Gellar, who we all adore and love. So thank you, Sarah.

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