It's Time! (w/ Mariah Carey)
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Look, Matt. Where? Oh, I see. Wow. Bowen, look over there. Wow, is that culture? Yes. Oh, my goodness. Wow. Las Culturistas. Ding dong, Las Culturistas calling. And this feels like the culmination. I don't know what to say. I think we...

Pack it up after this. After this, it's up to the graveyard with us. Yeah. And to all the haters, y'all won. Yeah, y'all won. And also, it's fine. It's fine. We did the thing we needed to do for our life to be complete. We've peaked personally, professionally, journalistically. Yes. And we're giving a festive moment today in honor of our guest. It is, of course, September 26th at this time of recording. So it's not yet. It's not yet on.

Not yet, because it's really not yet. It's really not yet, but as we approach its T-word, you know, it's just the anticipation is building. I'm just even donning this Princess Diana sweater with the lamely on it, as it were. I'm feeling the festive spirit, even though it's not yet. So those who know, the real ones know. Okay, I want to take you back. It's April 11th, 2000.

Madison Square Garden, my very first concert of my entire life. My parents got me for my birthday, Mariah Carey, the Rainbow Tour, which really was a narrative about trying to hunt down Bianca. Yes. I do want to find out if we ever got her. That B word. The character from perhaps the greatest music video of all time. You know, the other day I'm digging in my artifacts and I find this. What's he doing? So this is the cassette.

Mariah Carey, Boys to Men, One Sweet Day, which I would play the F out in the car with my mother on Long Island. We have that in common as well. And to say that this is Wish Fulfillment is beyond because this podcast exists and we of course ask all of our guests what was the culture that made me say culture was for me. For me, that is our guest.

And I cannot believe you're here. We did meet briefly at Peloton. Yes. It was not necessarily an exchange of words. It was more an exchange of... What would you call it? Support. I think you helped our guests down from the podium from which she said it's T-word that year. Yes. The T-word being time. The T-word being time. But it was...

A perfect prelude to this moment, which I think has been in the stars, destined for time eternal. It's a major moment. I'm going to make it through. I can make it through the rain. You can make it through the rain. The rain, the rain, my eventual tears. But as a card-carrying, platinum card-carrying member of the Lamily, and I know I speak for so many people that are listening and watching this right now, we are so excited to welcome the greatest of all time, Mariah Carey!

You really are here. I'm here. I'm here. The prequel to It's Time. Right. Well, yeah, there's the not yet. Right. Yeah. And then maybe I'm just like waving up at the world going, I'm here. Is it ever too early? When do you start decorating? I wonder.

I wait. You wait. Actually, I wait till I'm done with the tour. Yeah. Okay. And then it's trees and ornaments. I like your ornaments. Thank you. Well, it's from the Amazon Music collaboration with Mariah on October 31st. Go to amazon.com slash Mariah Care. You can buy ornaments, snow globes, exclusive tour merch and apparel. I mean, yes.

Talk about the snow globes. How did you pick out the scenery and the dioramas of the snow globes? Yes, the dioramas. The dioramas. This is a vocabulary podcast. My gosh, you guys win. So the snow globes with the MC logo and the, it's cool.

Glittery snow, I would call that, right? Yeah, I would say. Glittery snow. And that's my little caricature of me and some reindeer. And I just, I thought it would look pretty with this kind of the gold down here. Of course. I love the adornments. The adornments. It's very Rococo. The adornments. I have to say, every time I use a word that makes you laugh, I feel very happy. You know, you're a vocabulary legend. You're a vocab legend. You're adverb queen. I mean-

I kind of like used to be, but I don't, it's not that I don't try anymore, but I don't, I don't know what the word is. I just say, I don't know what the word is. You know that you really had me saying the word nonchalantly in third grade.

Nonchalantly. People are like, hey, Matt, what do you want to play at recess today? I'm nonchalant about it just because of your songs. Because of Breakdown. I listened to that the other day and I was like, I guess I'm trying to be nonchalant about it. Yep. Who did I think I was? You were Mariah. You knew you were Mariah. I knew you were Mariah nonchalant. I'm trying to be...

I was using incessant before I even knew what the word incessant, but I just heard incessantly and I was like, well, if Mariah is using that word. It rhymed. That's why I got away with it. And not for nothing, but incessantly in a number one hit song. They're not using words like that anymore in number one hit songs. They're not.

- They're not. - No! - I don't think so. I think, you know, in this TikTok age, it's like, everyone's gotta be quick and it's gotta be monosyllabic. You can't throw a "lee" or anything in there. - Right, the "lees" get them. - The "lees" get them. But I think the "lees" rhymes with the "mees" and I feel like you are singing from your point of view. And so therefore it works. It's the puzzle piece. - It's the puzzle piece. - Yeah. - We were reading in Vanity Fair in this recent interview you did that- - By Rob Lidoni, friend of mine. - Friend of the pod.

It's been six years since Caution. Yeah, I can't believe that. One of my favorite albums in the last decade. Brilliant. Truly, truly, truly. Thank you.

It didn't get the push and promotion that it deserved. Agree. And sad about that. You know... Am I? Yeah. Are you? That was bangers on bangers. I was... I remember it was in, like, Gowanus. And you did that sit-down, like, that was really focused on your songwriting. And it was, like, around the release of Caution. I actually went with my friend Mariah Smith. Oh, yeah. And so it was me and Mariah watching Mariah. And it was, like... That album was total fire. And...

it really was that conversation was about your songwriting. And I think that like, that's what I get most excited about when it comes to you. And so when we're asking about the new music, I just want to know, like, are you writing now? Like what's happening? Like what's inspiring you? Yes, I am writing now, but the more I talk about new music and that I'm doing this and it's probably coming out in whatever, a year or two years,

everybody gets mad at me because they're like, why are you telling us this? And then it doesn't come out in a year. Oh, sure. You know what I mean? We ain't mad at you. Some people be mad. No. They just need to let you work. It just does feel like, you know, six years we already, 2025 is the year. I'm saying it. And I,

And I will concur. Okay! You have a concur. A concur is not a commitment. Like, if it gets pushed, we'll understand. Yes. It really does need to happen. Yeah. Yes. We agree. We are over here agreeing. We had caution on during a drive up state, I remember, in 2018. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it was just like, damn, every track, you know? I mean, I feel like...

You have this quality as a vocal producer where you are clearly working with these collaborators that you love. You're Jermaine Dupri's and you're Brian Michael Cox's. But it's like, when do you know as an artist that your stamp is on it, that it's done, it's ready to go? Because I imagine that this process is like capturing a cloud and trying to put it down into a words or a sound or something. What is your signature as a vocal producer? Well...

It takes a while. I run it down once and then I'm like, okay, that was cute. And then, you know, I don't know how long I take. A while, you know, so that I can live with it and just really let it,

sink in. Yeah. And then I'll know like, okay, there's about five words that I want to redo the way, the way I sang that. Uh-huh. You know, I didn't like that. Uh-huh. Or it's okay, but I want to try something different. Right. Right. Yeah. And that's a different process from like the songwriting of it because, right? Like, that's just getting it down. It's,

how do I say it? It's an interesting, like, like a sandwich. Okay. Got it. Yes, yes, yes. Famously stacked. He's famously stacked. But yeah, it's because it's so important to write the song first. And then if you don't take your time and it's part of the process to do that, like go in, change this, go in, change that, you know? I mean, you were talking about how Hero is,

was one of the songs that came the fastest to you on a writing level. But then I imagine the production of that was a longer process. It actually went, the whole thing was sort of like at the same time. It happened at the same time because they were explaining to me about Dustin Hoffman's new movie that was called Hero. And then I took a walk there.

To the loo. And started hearing that. And then a hero comes along with a strength to carry on. And walked back in and said to Walter A., who I used to work with. I was like, this is how the song goes. Like, can you start playing this? Wow. Yeah. And humming to him the...

You know, so just... It's wild that that can come to you so quickly and then it becomes one of the most famous hooks of all time. Does that ever like feel strange? It's like one of the things that you thought of really on the way to and from the loo then becomes that thing that like really hits hard and maybe something you work on for a very long time like doesn't... Doesn't get to that point. Yeah. Well, I wasn't trying to write this big...

heroic, for lack of a better word, anthem. For the ages. An anthemic, heroic moment. I wasn't searching for that. Yeah. But it, you know, it kind of happened. It's what arrived. It's what arrived. But then some songs I am working on, you know, longer and maybe I'll end up liking them better. Like a song like Fly Like a Bird. Like, I love that song. And yet,

it's not hero in terms of like how major hero was in terms of success. - Yeah. - But I still love it and it's a Grammy winner. - Yes it is.

You don't have enough of those, by the way. Five? I'm like, come on now. They trifle with you. They really do. They play with you the Grammys. They toy with me. Can I ask what's a better vocal performance in terms of pop music than Heartbreaker? Can we talk about the end breakdown of Heartbreaker? I really want to get into this.

Yeah. There's four different like vocal lines of you coming on at the same time that all call back to different parts of the song. I remember hearing that song for the first time and being like, I don't know how she did this again, but yet, of course, just like,

That stacking that happens at the end. It's pure vocal performance. It's incredible. And I wonder, is that like something you're particularly proud of? Because to me, that is pop excellence. Thank you so much. I mean, Heartbreaker is everything. I appreciate that very much because it's one of my favorites that I've done. And...

That ending was just me figuring out like the song is written over a loop. Yes. Right. So in order to do like all those different parts, it wasn't that difficult because it's all it was pretty much the same song itself because of the way it's written over a loop. Yeah. So then doing the little parts and having them interwoven with each other.

was just what, it's like what I like to do, so. Yeah. Yeah. And just pulling it out and like isolating those hooks was just like a genius way to end that song. And that last, give me your love, is just like, it's just like that little cherry on top that like you could live happy for the rest of your day when you've listened to that. And just to speak to that moment and also that tour. So when you're doing that song, do you see the video at the same time? Because that's probably one of the best music videos ever. You versus Bianca. Yeah.

The Heartbreaker music video. Yeah, and I want to know where she is now. I know. We got to find her. She was low down. We got to find her. She was low down. And there was a girl on the set who was actually, she was like a stand-in. Right. She was from a different country because she had an accent. Yeah. And she's a pretty girl, you know. And we're there and...

everybody's throwing the popcorn. Like, you know, we're throwing the popcorn. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And she got so mad. She's a stand-in to be there and whatever. The girl had popcorn on top of her hair, glued on top of her hair. Like, that's what it was supposed to be. And she got so mad. She walked out. No, not her being a diva on your set. Her being a diva on my set, yes. No, no, no.

Yes. The injustice. The injustice. Adding hours to the day. It did. And then I went out to her trailer and was like, hi, we really didn't mean to do anything to upset you or, you know. No way. She was just like,

Oh, wow. She was really giving Bianca. She was. So, you know, Bianca, we were inspired all the more for that conflict. That tete-a-tete. Where did the name Bianca come from? I just made it up. Yeah. As you're wont to do. It's another word that is pulled from whatever. Yes. An immaculate conception. I wanted to just say and also ask, in addition, the Butterfly album. I think that

I don't know if this is true, but I would guess that of all the lambs, like, and all the fans that come up to you across the world, that that's one that probably comes up a lot. I know for me, I listened to it at a time when I was, like, really, like, discovering myself, and it will always be so important to me. And...

I guess I just wanted to ask about that album. Like, does that have special significance to you as it does to your, I know your fans, that particular album? It definitely has very special significance to me. I think it's,

Probably my best album. I don't know how that doesn't have all the accolades from all those awards. It has zero accolades. Zero. I don't get it. I think, I'm pretty sure it has zero accolades. I was looking earlier just to check and I was right. You had some nominations for it, but not anywhere near the respect that that album deserves for not only what it did in terms of like the metamorphosis of you as an artist in your career, but I know how it inspired so many artists. So many. Yeah.

I mean, I love that album. It has a certain feeling when you listen to it. Yeah. And then there's the, it's just got a lot of diversity. Like it's, I don't know. Yeah. You go from Breakdown to Butterfly to My All. My All is...

I mean, we all know, but like my, it's just like, I, again, hit play on it. And I listened to a lot of the discography this morning, happily in getting ready for this, but just like, honey, just the way that the album starts, you know, we're in a new era. Yeah. You know what I mean? That's true. It's innovative. It's just, it's one of those albums that we had Kelly Clarkson in this chair, like a year ago, kind of standing you. Oh, really? Yeah. She loves my all. Oh, wow. Yeah. That's so nice. Yeah. But I mean, like,

just that album and particularly The Roof.

And I was so happy that you got so into it. She was talking about the roof? No, no. Kelly was talking about my all. Oh, okay. I'm talking about the roof. Okay. But she could be talking about the roof because I said- That's not as well known. No, but you know what though? It's intimate. The lambs know. It's very intimate. That's a number one hit for the lambs. I'm telling you. So back in the day, we did on this podcast, we did a book club reading of The Meaning of Mariah Carey. Oh, really? Yes, we did. Oh, wow. Because it is my favorite book.

and it is like I think it's a piece of music history it's a piece of music history it's the best celebrity memoir it's like 100% the audiobook is the best celebrity audiobook did you like the audiobook? of course where was the Grammy for that?

- Oh yeah. - Spoken word. - They could have had, yeah. - Yeah, they could have. Stop playing in this woman's face. - Yeah, it's really ridiculous. - It's crazy. - Not that it matters what you think, but like in a world where it will be nice. - It would be nice, wouldn't it? - But anyway, like they had it right in the beginning. But anyway, like what I'm saying is. - You mean the first album? - The Best New Artist.

They got it right the first year and then they were like, let's continue to sleep on her, I guess. Like as if you weren't leagues ahead of everyone else. And all respect to everyone else. But anyway. We love everybody. We love everybody, a famous line. We love everybody. I just remember you talking about the roof. And that was such...

It almost felt validating for me as a kid because The Roof was not a track I could get over. It was like you could feel the discovery, like even just in the lyrical imagery, the rain hitting your skin, the way that you were waking up. I honestly think in that moment I was like waking up to being queer and who I was.

It's just such a vivid, beautiful song. And I want to say there actually was a moment where I was in third grade and we would go in and we would have writing time. Like you could write anything in your journal. So I just wrote the lyrics to the roof. Oh, wow. And then we had to hand the journals in. I love this story. So my teacher...

Hated me. No, no, no. She must have been listening to someone else at the time. Maybe she had been playing Celine Dion because she thought it was my writing. And she goes, I don't know what you're going through, but you are a beautiful writer. Oh.

- Aww, I love that. - But literally it's me talking about like, you know, like having this experience. - Finish the Moet. - Finish the Moet. I probably spelled it like M-O-A-Y. - I know, but it says to me like, why do you pronounce it that way? I'm like, that's just how I always... - Yeah, I mean, but listen, like it worked and, but I probably should have wrote Sprite or something. - Right. - But just to know that like,

That's the kind of song that is like I didn't have to get it to really get it and have it be meaningful to me. And that's like a testament to your writing and that album and what must have been such an incredible breakthrough creatively for you at that time. Thank you. Yeah, it definitely was. Just to be able to be free to write and perform in the way that I wanted.

as opposed to other people saying, do this. Even if I wrote Hero, that doesn't mean that's the only song or type of song that I wanted to write. Right, and you were very famous for that type of song for a long duration of time. Right, I guess. Yeah. Well, no, you were. And then all of a sudden, this new person came out because you felt...

I don't know, emboldened or how would you? Liberated. Liberated, yeah. A good vocab word. It's in the song we're talking about. That's the only reason I remember. Yeah, no, no, no. Oh, yeah, of course. Started feeling liberated. Started feeling liberated. Yeah, I mean, iconic. But then your music got funnier too, I think. Do you think that there's a link there? Because all of a sudden you started making jokes.

I had jokes. But how do you feel about the jokes now? No, I do. I still do. I just haven't put out a new album in six years, as you pointed out. And look, as someone who does not believe in time. Yeah. Like what's time? What is time? We don't know what that is. So then it's irrelevant. Right. It's like and it's also like part of the process. It's like.

It needs time to cook. It needs time to develop. And so it's all... You've got to baste it. It requires basting. It requires basting. It requires basting. It requires basting. It's like Thanksgiving.

And then at the end you get a fabulous meal with people that you love. Yeah, of course. Do you like Thanksgiving or are you wanting to rush through it to get to your season? I like Thanksgiving as well. I'm just, I'm very, you know the word, I'm going to say festive. And that includes the Turkey Day, of course. Yeah. Because you're festive for Halloween, you're festive for Thanksgiving, you're festive for Christmas. Yes, yes.

Yes. And Fourth of July. Well, yes. Of course. Another great track. Thank you. I have a song called Fourth of July. They know. If you don't know, it's ridiculous. Why are you listening to this? I actually, I made, I remember I made at the time of doing the. The audio book. The audio book. I made playlists for everyone who like for some reason didn't know. And this is my intermediate Mariah playlist. Ready? The Roof, Hate You, Love.

One of the great tracks. I love Clown. Clown is so good and we agree with you. Ex-girlfriend. Co-written by Kandi Burris? Yes. Wow. We love Kandi. Forever. The Distance. Your Girl. And

- I love you, man. - You're a girl, are you kidding me? - Vanishing, Sweetheart, and All I've Ever Wanted. Those are my- - Wait, it's so funny that Vanishing is on there after John just said- - I know, right? We were talking about Vanishing just over there because of your incredible performance of it on Saturday Night Live all those years ago. Hello. - Hello. - That was a fun moment. - Patrick Swayze was the host? - Yes. - And that was like early, that was like the beginning. - The very beginning of it.

If you were to walk back in there, in that space, like, you would just... You would have even more of a command on it, I think, right? Like, I feel like it's... I don't know. I think I had less... What's it called? I wasn't quite as nervous back then for some reason. Sure, sure. I don't know why. Totally. I mean, it makes sense. Like, I understand what you mean because I feel like there's this thing that, at least as it relates to SNL, people say that, like, oh, the longer you stay there, the more...

the more nervous you are, which is, it shouldn't work that way. It should work in the inverse where it's like, oh, it's, you should be more comfortable. And yet like something about like being on display or just having your work be like, I'm just talking about your work be celebrated must mean that like there is this

that people are expecting from you. And it's a lot to provide that, I imagine. Especially so early on in one's career. Right. Did you feel like it was very fast? Because in the book you talk about sort of it was only a few years into your career that it was the Tokyo show that you really realized just how international and how big you were. But before that, it was not. Well, because the Tokyo show was in a gigantic scale.

Tokyo Dome was ginormous. So, you know, I found myself there and it wasn't like being at even like on Saturday Night Live, which is bigger in many ways. But this was...

Spatially, huge. And across the world. Right. Yes. You know? And a totally different type of fan. Yeah. Probably responding in a different way. Were they a very, like, engaged crowd? Did they know the words in their own way? Well, my experience at that time was that everybody had to kind of be polite. Yeah. People in Japan were very polite. Yeah. And so it was like, you know, I would sing whatever the song was and then it would just be...

Yeah, just like applause and then we're done. Done. Punctuated. And somebody came up to me and said, like, please don't think that we're not appreciative of your music. This is just our culture and how, you know, it was so nice that they did that because I'm sitting there like, I don't know why. Yeah.

Was that the show too where, or maybe not that show, but there was another show where you were trying to teach the crowd Always Be My Baby. I think you performed it for the first time. I think it was that one. And it was the... And you were trying to get them to do it and they were just like, we're not... We can't match that. We can't match this streak. Probably another one of your greatest ever. Always Be My Baby. Oh, thank you. How do you feel about just this...

standard now in the industry, in the music industry that you've set, which is, or this convention really where it's like,

a beautiful vocal can be paired with a great hip hop feature. You know, like those two things are complementary, which no one at the time that you sort of innovated on that thought would work at all. Fantasy, Heartbreaker, pioneered that. Yeah. That was, I mean, there were other ones too. I'm trying to think of all the records I did, like with Jadakiss and...

I mean, even Breakdown at the time. Breakdown, Bone Thugs-N-Harmony. I mean, that was definitely unexpected. That is such a huge part of your legacy. Like, how does that sit with you watching literally everybody sort of follow the blueprint that you've set? It's,

So interesting. But I, you know, I didn't even say ODB, which, you know, Fantasy, probably the biggest, one of the biggest. Yes, absolutely. And I really, I wanted so much to work with hip hop artists. I really did. I wanted to do

my thing and then be able to listen to their vocals. You know what I mean? And so then luckily I was able to do it, but a lot of people told me, oh, this could be the end of your career. You know, don't do this. That the worlds had to be separate. Yeah. So crazy now because in music, it feels like what is genre?

Right. You know, it's wild. Like you see like, you know, Beyonce's album, Cowboy Carter, like yes, it's country, but it's also rock. It's also Americana. It's pop. It's all these things. Now it feels like,

If you're not blending genre... What are you doing? Right. And having that moment at the Grammys with you and Miley this year felt like such a perfect encapsulation of that, too. And it makes me... It makes everyone really excited for whenever the new stuff is coming. Not to bring it back to this, but it's like, I think you can...

you are really going to take advantage of this sort of flexibility. - Blending of it all. Yeah, I agree. And I loved that moment with Miley. - Yeah, she's the best. - She was so great. - And so deserving. - She sent me flowers. - Wow. - She sent me beautiful flowers after that. And I was like, she's incredible. - When she gave you your props there, I mean, like she was like, no, you have to stay right here. I think, 'cause I would imagine that she looks up to you and like feels indebted to you for what you've done as everyone does and should.

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Mariah Carey, we have to ask you the question. That's the centerpiece of our podcast. The centerpiece. The centerpiece. The snow globe. The Christmas snow globe of our podcast. Mariah Carey, what was the culture that made you say culture was for you? That formative pop culture, whether it be music, movies, it can be anything that you can look back and be like, Mariah was becoming Mariah because of that thing. Well...

There's a few things. Yes. Give it to us. I would have to say looking at from the time I was little, little Michael Jackson when he was a kid. Yes. And then when he did like on Motown 25, when he was there making like

history. Yeah. Not the album, but making history. You know, just being himself, being on there, moonwalking, doing everything. I mean, it was just a moment where everybody was just watching that. Yeah. And also Prince. I love Prince. And it's so sad that he's no longer with us. It truly is. Yeah. I still listen to Prince all the time. Yeah. And

Yeah. I would say like Little Red Corvette. Yeah. Banger. Yes. So good. And then, you know, my mother always loved Marilyn Monroe. And I walked into her room one time and she was watching like when they would do those talking about like Marilyn was this and that because she had passed away years ago. And she was watching one of those retrospectives and at

at that point they were looking at gentlemen prefer blondes. And I didn't know who she was. I just saw this like doll like woman. And I was like, oh my gosh. And I was a kid. And my mother told me who she was. And then from then on, I was a huge fan of hers and looked up all her, you know, stuff from her life, books about her, books by Norman Mailer. Just like incredible. So yeah.

Those are three very good answers. I mean, I feel like the thing that ties them all together too is they all have such iconography. You know what I mean? Like you look at them and you say, that's Marilyn. There's only one. That's Prince. There's only one. That's Michael. There's only one. And you see, you think of him doing the moonwalk and you immediately, that's a monoculture moment. And so do you think that

That imprinting on them had something to do with the fact that you felt like almost othered and that you would grow to be, you knew you could grow to become an individual and there was something about them being so singular that you identified with? I promised myself I would grow to be someone that

had a successful career. Yeah. Because I did feel so othered and being of mixed race, coming from a family that was very dysfunctional, that was a difficult road for me. And so I kind of had to adapt this

this strength that was like, you know, I'm going to do this. I'm not going to tell anybody that I'm going to do this, but this is what I'm going to do. Move in silence. Move in silence. Real G's do it. Yeah. Move in silence until we're using our five octave range and then we're actually taking up

Some space. But yeah, between the three of those, it's like there's vocal trademark, there's artistic trademark, there's aesthetic trademark. And those all kind of converge in you. I mean, you really are just a singular, all-time great artist.

and who's created all this joy. I mean, like, you know, you've created this world and this feeling that people will never detach from, that they'll always carry with them. It's really incredible. Thank you. I think also people don't realize how tough Long Island can be. Yeah, talk about the Long Island of it all. I mean, like, it is, though. Like, you know what I mean? Like, it's like... Strong island. Strong island, baby. Are you a seafood person?

I know you love your linguine with white clam sauce. I do. That was my dad's recipe. That's why. Why? What do you think? I'm just a seafood person. Like it's a Long Island thing? I'm just saying we're by the sea. Where in Long Island? I'm from Islip, but my parents grew up in Lindenhurst. So I'm a South Shore kid.

Oh, okay. Why do you laugh? I laugh because I had such a traumatic experience growing up in a place that's so racist. And that was a thing where, you know, my mother always wanted to live there or different places around there. And I had to be there. So...

didn't love it. Right. To the point where like, you know, you go, oh, the struggles that I've been through sort of define who I am. But it's like, there are certain things and experiences and settings in life where you go, I could have, I think I could have done without that. Yeah. A few things. Yeah.

I mean, not to get bleak about what you can read in the book, but I honestly think it's so important that you speak so truthfully about that stuff. Because I think when we listen to your music, like when we listen to the song Outside, when we listen to Close My Eyes, and this is stuff that you really opened up about in Butterfly and had maybe sort of hinted at in your earlier work, but never really got into the darkness. And then you started to let us in. In reading the book, that's just...

It obviously had to be painful to be explicit about those things and also to know that there's other people's feelings and their people are going to have opinions about what you say. But it's so important to be so truthful because, I mean, people feel seen by it. And I want to know, like, do you feel like you felt like a reconnection to your fans again who had already felt that way about your music? And then the book made them come back. And like, was it even more emotional? Yeah.

Hmm. I loved writing the book. I collaborated with Michaela Angela Davis. Yeah, amazing. And she's awesome. I mean, when I read the book for the audio, you know, for Audible. Yeah. It was 11 hours of rereading the book. So all the time, you know, spent writing the book and then reading it over and having, you know, what's the guy that comes and...

The editor? Yes. James is his name. Yes. Hi, James. Hey. Hey. It's time. It's time. You know, just going through this stuff with the editor and doing all that and then being like, I'm going to spend 11 hours doing this, you know, speaking this book. Right. And

It was right at the beginning of COVID. And so that was that. And yeah, I actually really loved the whole process, the process of writing and reading it aloud. Did it feel therapeutic? Yeah, it definitely felt therapeutic. I mean, I was crying when I was writing. It was a lot of just intense emotional kind of feelings. Yeah.

But yeah, it was, it's still, I still, you know, when I see the book and people come and ask me to sign it and everything like that, I'm just like, you know, I feel proud that I signed

we did this yeah you know because it's an opportunity for people to connect with like the truth about your life and I imagine reading the audiobook felt like almost like it is a performance you know like besides the singing of of the lyrics and your work and this thing that people connect to it is like you reading about your life experience is its own kind of

showmanship or something? Yeah. Well, it's a lot of exposure. Yeah. You know, you're exposing your life and these details that you already put out there and wrote, but then now you're going to read it. And yes, sometimes I sang, sometimes I decided, you know, figured out, okay, I'll sing this or I'll, we'll write this as a melody or whatever, you know, but

It's one of my things that I've done that I'm most proud of. Yeah. I would imagine, too, that, like, the fun moments of it were probably so fun to relive. Like, even, like, obviously it was, like, a tense moment, like the Divas live of it all, you getting prepared, and Aretha being like, Mariah, they're playing games. They're playing games. Yeah.

But that had to be so fun to relive in a way. Like that night, that's actually been mentioned on this show many times. I know there used to be a skit. Yes, there was. You mean on Saturday Night Live? Yeah, was it? It was Ana Gosteyer, Molly Shannon, and Sherry, right? Doing Shania, Mariah, and Celine. Yep, yep, yep. Oh my God, that's so good.

- That is so fun. - Yeah. - That is like- - Truly iconic. - They don't make a show like that anymore, you know what I mean? - Yeah, no, they don't.

They have to. They have to, though. But will it be as big ever? I don't know. Look how long it's been in existence. I know. You know what, though? I would say it's like that's the type of thing now that you think they would reboot because they're rebooting everything. Yeah. You know what I mean? And so much success comes with like, you know, we're seeing the cast of Friends together again. Harry Potter gets back together and does an eight-part whatever on HBO. Yeah.

you know, they did Mean Girls again, which I want to talk to you about. Like, it just feels like Divas Live, like, obviously we can't bring everybody back, but, like, to have y'all come back and, like, I think all get together and some of the, you know, new generation, I think would be amazing. It could be. It could be. I mean, I feel like this has been a really banner year in, like,

and music. And I feel like it's the perfect period on the whole year for you to come back with. With the Divas Live? With the Divas Live, but I'm also just saying like Merry Christmas and it's 30th anniversary. Yeah. It feels like it's like synergy there. It's like you are the ultimate. We've been waiting for you. It's been a year when so many people have like made these amazing pop efforts. And then at the end of the year, there will be Mariah's 30th anniversary during Christmas, which doesn't get bigger. It doesn't get more timeless than that.

My mama told me presents the start the steel tour. We're very excited about it. Yeah, I'm not about to bite my tongue. We want to sell it out and the dates are coming up fast. And so if you live in one of these areas, we want you to buy your tickets now. It's all available on our Instagrams on, on our,

our website on our link tree but you can see us in Washington DC on October 10th Chicago October 13th October 17th we're in LA in Hollywood we'll be in Atlanta on Halloween October 31st we want y'all to come out we want y'all to kick it we will be doing our

coveted live show with special guests with just me and David depending on the city it'll be a great time all that meet and greets you think Chris Brown has a good meet and greet bro let's be clear I'll take a weird picture with you for free do you get tired of doing all I want for Christmas this year

No. She says, no, not me, darling. It's so funny. We were doing, you know, my show in Vegas and I went out onto the stage during this one part where they, we,

didn't do the song I was supposed to do, which was Circles from Mimi. I love Circles. I mean, I do it every other night, but on this night I was like, okay, we're not going to do that. And you guys start playing the beginning of All I Want for Christmas is You and I'll run out there. And that's what happened. It was funny. It was cute. You like Vegas because you keep going back. I keep going back because people keep booking. And then they can come to you.

Well, no, I mean people that work for me. Wait, now that we've talked about Circles, I have to ask. So we talked about Butterfly and that's like a landmark. Like that is like definitely you think one of your best, like I think a lot of your fans would agree. But then there was Emancipation. And of course, all your albums are incredible. But Emancipation.

Like, what did that feel like to like release that and have everyone not not that you proved everybody wrong, but obviously there was a there was a period there where there was some tumult for whatever reason. And then you come back with emancipation, which is.

Talk about track by track. Oh my God. I mean, your girl I mentioned before, it's on my intermediate Mariah playlist. I love that playlist. Yeah, no, honestly. It's very tasteful. It's very good. You'll love it. It is tasteful. It is tasteful. Tasteful. And it's eclectic. It's a diverse, eclectic, tasteful mix. Eclectic, tasteful mix. It's very demure. It's mindful as well. Yes! Not like other girls. I felt I was being mindful when putting it together.

Absolutely. This was years ago. Of course. Wait, what do you think about All I've Ever Wanted being on there? Because that's an old one. Yeah. You don't love... No, no, no. I like it. I like that song. Like, when I think about it. Yeah. Yeah. It's good. It's not like...

I would do a couple of like kind of genre specific-ish ones. Like one with the Mimi songs that are just like your girl circles. Maybe Fly Like a Brick. I can't name them all now. And then Butterfly. To the Floor also. That was on the other day and I was like, God damn, To the Floor. Everybody to the floor. Yes.

It's like never released though. What do you mean? Like as a single? Yeah. That album was made of singles. But then you went to the deluxe, right? And then we got Don't Forget About Us, which was a bop. Yes. I loved Don't Forget About Us. No, I Wish You Knew is on the... No, I Wish You Knew is on that. That? See, I listened to that song and for you to do that like arena moment where you're just like talking down. I just did it in... You did it? Yeah. That's a moment. Yeah.

Overseas as well. Overseas as well. Overseas as well. I knew that the album was strong. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, when it did what it did in terms of the charts and then having it go platinum and then re-releasing and all that stuff, I felt...

So good. Yeah. Of course. Is there a potential for it to be a trilogy where it's like 3MC or something? You have E equals MC squared, but then you have like... The math isn't going to fly out. The math is flying out. I mean, I feel like there's something neat about it being like a three-part thing. A three-pronger. A three-pronger. A three-pronger. Like a trident. Triangle. Triangle.

triangle yes I just call it a three pronger a three pronger is great a jingle hopper

Is there a chance of like another album with a different type of like naming it? Well, actually, people have drawn the comparison of Cautioned into like that sort of like Emancipation sort of like sound or like that like philosophy. And so like, I don't know, do you consider Cautioned to be like the third installment of this? Or do you think like it's coming in the future? Like, is there a vision for this? I think it's coming in the future. Oh my God. Yes.

Wow. That would be thrilling. Okay. I

I just got chills. And I hope you like it. Oh, please, we will. How many times do you watch Mean Girls a week? Oh, I haven't watched it in a while. Okay. Because sometimes even your favorite movie, you can't, like, I used to watch Clueless, like, at least twice a month. And then I have put it away for now. I need to put Bring Mean Girls Back and watch it tonight. Honestly, tonight might be the night. It might be tonight because in honor of this moment. Yeah. Absolutely. Tina was here and she's thrilled that you love Mean Girls tonight.

She is. Yes. I saw y'all play that trivia game. Yes, I won. You did. You do everything. You beat her at her own film. Beat her at her own film. We love you, Tina. What about a return to acting for you anytime soon? Because you were brilliant and precious. Oh, God. Thank you.

Did you watch the new movie? No, I didn't. With Glenn Close? Yeah, I heard all about it. What do you think about what you've heard? Well, I'm not a person that likes to watch horror. Yeah, it's hard and very scary. Yeah, I don't want that to be in my head. No. I'll say no. I'll say no to that. When you go to Disney World, because we know you're a fan. Uh-huh, I am. Do you do scary rides? I do. Tower of Terror.

That's a classic. It's so good. Truly a classic. And they better never touch it. No.

You and Ariana Grande have the same feeling about Tower of Terror. She has written an entire notes app statement, a petition basically to Disney that she has saved. And I can reveal this. She wouldn't mind me blowing up this spot. But she is like, if you do anything to Tower of Terror in Orlando, there will be a revolt. Right, because they did it in LA. They made it the Guardians of the Galaxy, which is cute. Which is not bad. No, it's not bad. Yeah, but it's not the Tower of Terror. It's not a classic. Sweet.

Yes. See, so, but you can do that kind of spooky scary.

Well, yeah, but it's also because it's a ride. You need to open down on it. But you're in it, you know? You're in the spook. Well, that's the thing. I don't like scary movies at all, but I can do a haunted house because I feel like I can run away. You know what I mean? It's like when you have me on foot, I'm very spry. I understand. So I can get away from the terror. But when I'm sitting in a chair, it feels like it's happening to you. Maybe you identify. Yeah, I hear you.

Do you have top three favorite Disney rides? Oh, my gosh. Tower of Terror is up there. Tower of Terror in Orlando. Yes, yes, yes. I used to like, and I guess it's not there anymore, Splash Mountain. Splash Mountain. It's now Princess Tiana.

Oh, it is? It is. So now it's called, we call it Princess Tati's Bayou Dip. But it's called Princess Tiana's Bayou Adventure. Okay. And the story goes that she has to collect ingredients and get her band together to create a performance at the end. And I hear it's cute. Jennifer Lewis is in it. Do they still let that...

and everything? You still drop. You still get your frills and your thrills. Well, I'll give it a shot then. Give it a shot. Get down there. Okay, so that's two. One more. One more. What?

what else that Disney do? Oh my gosh. Well, it's not Disney though. What is it? I was going to say Harry Potter. Yeah. This is the NBC Universal show too. We love them. Yeah. I love Disney. Yay Disney. But I do love all the corporations. We love you all, all the corporates in the land. Um,

No one should be left out. No one should be left out. Speaking of corporations, we have a very important question to ask you about two lyrics. Oh, yes. Okay. We want to say if you have to choose one or the other of your two lyrics, these are two of our favorite lyrics that you've ever done. Okay. It's...

Them chickens is ash and I'm lotion or you a mom and pop, I'm a corporation, I'm a press conference, you a conversation. That one. Yeah. That is for all time. It's for all time. And it really does say what you need to say. It does. You are you, I'm all this. I'm a press conference, you a conversation. You a conversation.

So wait, and by the way, just like, not to call it bizarre, but that is, where does that come from? Yes, yes. What do you mean? When you get that riff together, where does that come from? Because it is, no one else would think of, It's truly original. It's so singular. How does that come to you? I don't know. I was just writing the song and that was just an ad lib after,

Laying it down. Are you in the studio being like, play it back, play it back, play it back, and then giving different vocals like again and again and again? Sometimes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sometimes I do that. I think that's the most fascinating part of recording. Oh, yeah. Like the stacking and the harmonies and like that has to be fun. The stacking and harmonies is so much fun. Yes. Yeah.

Because then you get the sound that you want. Yes. Yeah. When you write, are you hearing it as a full song or are you hearing the bare bones? Like when you are struck, is it like you can hear, is it like a turn of phrase that inspires you or is it like a melodic thing usually? Or is it always different? It's always different. But if there's just like a melody that's coming to me and let's say I'm,

somebody's playing the piano and I'm like, no, play... Don't play... You know what I mean? But both of those could be different melodically on top of each one. Because if you're just singing on top of the plain one, you can just...

make up anything and it's easy. Something else you have to follow or work around what the keys are doing. Right. It's holding the center too much. But do you have any sort of synesthesia you think about like you hear a sound but you also sense something else you see it or you feel it or...

Like, does that make sense? It's yeah, it's a sensory situation. And you feel it and hear it. And if it's really something that's going to end up being close to your heart, then you just go in and do it. And like, how often do you write? Like, are you writing like all the time? Like, let's just say, like, could you write tonight?

Not tonight. I mean, I could, but I'm like, no, I'm staying in a hotel. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You need your atmosphere. Well, yes. And it'd be nice if, let's say, I'm working with a bunch of different people right now. And let's say I say, oh, I want to go work with,

Such and such from across town. Yeah, from across town. My girl across town. Yeah, across town. I know a guy across town. I know a guy. I like him. Yeah. He's all right. He'll do. He's a character. He's all right. He'll do. He'll do. He knows. No, but, you know, so...

That's the thing. I would say, let me go work with the guy from across town. That's a really good, let's say, maybe probably keyboard player is what I usually like to work with. And then, you know, we could pick up where we left off. We could write something new, you know. Say I had a different idea. Could we work on this and then sing it to them and.

But the guys across town. Yeah, you got to get there. No, but are you going there or is he coming to you? Probably we'll meet at a studio. Okay. Somewhere in the middle. Do you have a favorite studio you record in? Like, is there like an iconic place that you go that like you feel like brings out a certain Mariah-ness?

- The iconic studio of my house. - Yeah! - There you go. I mean, we were so happy during the pandemic when you were giving it to us. - Yes, those moments. - Those were great. - Yeah. - Those were really nice moments. - That we belong together in particular. That was amazing. - Thank you. - And also wait, shout out to that thing you did recently. There was like you and Brandy together.

Oh, that was fun. We did The Roof. Yes. Yeah. Yes. I need to see Brandy. Hi, Brandy. Where are you? She's a legend too. She's amazing. Just one of those like all timers. All timers. I would say Have You Ever. Oh my God. Have You Ever is one of those songs. Yeah. It's like you hear it and you're like, oh wow. And then you actually like you attempt to sing it. It's.

It's so rangy. It's so rangy. It's so wild. But that's another, because I think the beginning of that song is also like a hard break. All stacked. Yeah, yeah. That was sort of. She loves to do that. Yeah. She's really, she's great at that. Yeah. Because when we were working together, she was like, we were having fun stacking. Yeah. Adding little parts. Because you guys together, your voices together, it's extremely complimentary. Well, I love her voice. Yeah. I love it so much. I remember, it was actually the night of the Grammys. Yeah.

I was with Ari and she was telling me at the time it was not officially up. She was like, Mariah's going to be on the Yes! The End remix. I was like, oh my God. The Yes! The End remix was everything. That's going to be such a gag. And then we saw Miley go up. And then I just remember it being such a nice moment where everybody in the room was just so happy for you. It really was a nice moment. Yeah. Even though all the history that we have with the Grammys

I know. They can still make it right. Well, they can't ever really make it right, but they could do something. Meet in the middle. Like we meet that guy across town. Meet that guy. You can make it happen. Why not? We have our own award show called Culture Awards. Oh, you do? We're doing a big venue. We might give Butterfly a retroactive award. Why don't we? Oh my gosh, that's amazing. Album of the year. Album of the year. You could

- We're gonna do that. We're an official awards body. - We are an official awards body. - That's amazing. - You can win the Emmy, the Grammy, the Oscar, the Tony and the CULTCH.

It's the culture award. It's the culture award so you can win the clutch. The clutch! But you culture it. You culture it. So, you know, stay tuned. I love that. I'll write it down. I'll write it down. By the way, Whenever You Call, also from that album. One of the great songs. That is a, that, and I mean, I loved it with you and Brian, but just how it was too, like that is, that's like all time Mariah to me as well. Thank you. Whenever you call.

Love. Oh, wait. Also growing up, I remember there's an Irish band, Westlife. Yeah. Love Westlife. I mean, you have your own Against All Odds, you know, track. But then I liked it when, I also really enjoyed the one where you guys were featured together. Yeah.

- They came up to the studio in Capri where I was working. - Yeah. - And that's when Simon, was Simon Cowell their manager? - It was Simon. I think it was Simon. - Yeah, he was their manager. And they came up there and we filmed it and everything. - Yeah. - And they, the guys did their parts and I kept mine. - Those are some cute guys. - They were adorable. - They were adorable.

And I love that video because it is like one of those, and we need videos like this where it's just shot in the studio. It's young, young, everyone's just singing. I mean, and you belt in that song. Oh my God. I love that song. Anyway. Well, wait. Okay. Before we do I Don't Think So Honey, I have to ask one more question, which I promised myself I would ask. Can you drop that grunge album?

- I know, right? - Drop it. - I'm so mad that I haven't done that yet. - But you don't have to be mad because you're in control. - It's locked away. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Do it. - I am, but who do I drop it with? - Should we start a label? - Maybe. - All right. - You know what would be kind of chic? If you just put it out on like GarageBand or something, like a grungy thing. - I could do that.

It's a good album. I want to hear it. Oh, you haven't heard any of it? No, I mean, we've heard what you allowed us to hear, just those little snippets, but we need to hear that. Okay. And the fact that you just did that? Incredible. That was just like, I was getting life from that. Yeah, you could tell. Seriously. But that's like the prince in you. That's like the genre thing. It's like, oh, it doesn't matter. I can do it.

I'm a musician, I'm an artist. I can do it in any kind of thing. - And it was jokes as well. There were lots of- - See, and I wanna hear what the jokes were at that time. - I mean, they're everlasting. - They are everlasting jokes. Everlasting Jokes, title of app. - My Mama Told Me presents the Start the Steal Tour,

We're very excited about it. I'm not about to bite my tongue. We want to sell it out and the dates are coming up fast. And so if you live in one of these areas, we want you to buy your tickets now. It's all available on our Instagrams, on our website.

our websites on our link tree, but you can see us in Washington, DC on October 10th, Chicago, October 13th, October 17th. We're in LA at, in Hollywood. We'll be in Atlanta on Halloween, October 31st. We want y'all to come out. We want y'all to kick it. We will be doing our coveted live show, uh,

with special guests, with just me and David, depending on the city. It'll be a great time. All that meet and greets. You think Chris Brown has a good meet and greet? Bro, let's be clear. I'll take a weird picture with you for free.

Okay, so now we'll do I Don't Think So, Honey, because I'm happy we've now convinced you to release it and we can count on it. Yes. I should. No, you're right. Honestly, and just know that no one's forgotten about it after you dangled it so. Okay. We've reminded the people. Okay, this is I Don't Think So, Honey. This is our segment that we do on this podcast each and every time where we take one minute to rant against something in pop culture that needs a ranting.

And I'm going to do it because two women really tore me up this morning. This is Matt Rogers. I don't think so. And his time starts now. I don't think so, honey. Hoda Kotb and Jenna Bush Hager making me cry this morning. I was already feeling an emotional type of way because I knew Mariah was coming and I was so excited. And then Hoda has announced she's leaving the Today Show. And her and Jenna Bush Hager sobbing at each other. Mams, you didn't have to be so legendary at us. That was...

so emotional. They are so real. We've met them before. They are incredible. Hoda, I support you in whatever you do, but not making me sob like this. Seriously, I was on my way to listen to Mariah get prepared, and I had Hoda Kotb making everyone break down. It was like we had lost a great leader this morning on the Today Show. All of them clasping hands like they were ready for the Titanic to go down. I'm like,

Oh my God, it really feels like the end of an era because it is. Hoda, we love you. Please don't leave NBCUniversal for good. Please come do some special reports. We love you, but also spend time with your kids and babies as it were. And we love you, Hoda, and we'll miss you every day on Today!

And that's one minute. I mean, it was major news. Like, I was like, the Times, Washington Post, they were all like breaking. Hoda Khabi announced that she's leaving today. It's like, it's a major... It's gonna be a huge void. Man, like, you take for granted Hoda every day on the Today Show. Just a comfort. It was giving the Broad City finale. Like, the two of them saying goodbye to each other. I was like, oof, these girls.

- Yeah, we love you, Hoda. - We love you, Hoda. - And Jenna. That was a really special moment. - Okay, this is Bo and Yang's "I Don't Think So Honey." Are you ready, Bo? - I am ready. - This is Bo and Yang's "I Don't Think So Honey." His time starts now. - "I Don't Think So Honey Boxing Day," the day after Christmas, sometimes celebrated in Canada and the US.

This is the origin of Boxing Day. It was a day meant for servants and poor people so that they could get gifts. And now it's just an extra day to shop. So it's giving class warfare either way you slice it. It's like a holiday for poor people. It's giving separate but equal. Just lump it in with Christmas. And don't extend the holidays. After the 25th, we're done. 30 seconds. Our guest, this legend, is off the clock.

Don't make her work a second longer than she needs to. Just implies that, you know, oh, well, then people have to make a Boxing Day album. No, no, no. 25th, it's over. It's curtains. The holidays are a time for joy and peace and togetherness and warmth and all these cozy things. The 26th, it's a weird number. I don't like it. 12-26, we're in that dead zone between then and New Year's, and it should stay that way. And that's what I meant. He says on 9-26. Yeah.

New Year's overrated. New Year's overrated. Because it's like, you know, I had a great time just staying in the city for New Year's this past New Year's. Oh, yeah. We stayed in the city and we usually do a trip. Uh-huh. The trip on New Year's is always overrated. Definitely because you're surrounded by drunk drivers. Yes. And all of that. Stay local.

Stay local. Stay local. Stay chill. Also, it's like when you're a kid, New Year's is fun because it's like you're staying up till midnight. Yeah. And then all of a sudden the novelty of that is gone. It's like I'm up till midnight each and every night. There you go. I'm not a nerd. Anyways. No, actually, these days I am going to bed. I am going to bed early. Okay. Mariah Carey, are you ready? Do you have something on your mind?

There's always something on my mind. Yeah, yeah. We are excited to say this is Mariah Carey's I Don't Think So, Honey. Her time starts now. I don't think so, honey. Listen, I can't with the overhead lighting. Why do they do it to us? Why? And I shouldn't even say us because it's not us. It's me. I'm the one that gets the most tortured by the hideous lighting in every...

elevator, doorway, gyms. Not that I go to the gym, but I'm just saying it's hideous lighting. The sun. I mean, the sun is okay if it's at sunset. And then I will gladly go outside and put the, you know,

30 seconds. A little hat on or whatever. And that'll be pretty because it's sunlight caressing your skin. Of course. But it's bad for you, so you got to be careful of that. But overhead lighting, I don't think so, honey. No. Please stop it. Every place I go, shut the lights. 15 seconds. Turn them out. I don't want to see them no more. Yes. No more, honey. There's 10 seconds. One more thing on overhead lighting. One more thing on overhead lighting. It makes me sick.

The fact that we got Mariah Carey's I Don't Think So Any Other overhead lighting is an all-timer. How did we do today? We did pretty good. You guys did good because these are like, you know, here and here. I noticed that. You know that I said to them early, I was like, let's get this lighting together. We cannot miss on this, you guys. I think people are catching up to you. With the lighting, they're trying, yeah. Well, you know, now it's like,

We're going to clue everybody in on this. Like a classic gay guy's apartment now is no overhead lighting. It's just mood lighting in different corners. That's it. It's a little sexier that way. Those little orbs that are lit up. It's orbs on the floor. Yeah, those like soft orbs around. What's the home rig? Like what's the home situation? I feel that the best way is...

- Yeah. - And then you're walking and it's like splash of light, splash of light. - Yeah. - You know, it's not anything more than that that's needed. - Sumptuous. - Yeah. - Sumptuous. - It is sumptuous. - I think that's a word, if you can try to include that. - Try that for that next time? - Yes. - No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no

I'm sure you have. I don't know if I did. Wait, there was a word. It sounds like a Mariah word. There was a word just now in your album, Thanks to Honey, that caress, caress. Come back to me and go back in time. Yes! Okay, wait. Them babies, are you excited to take them to see Wicked?

I'm excited to hang out with them whenever I can. Yeah, of course. Like, they're just always doing something else. Are they 13? Yes. No. That's the age. You had them on tour last year, though. Yeah, I did. They were 12. They were 12. Now there's a difference. Teens. They're teens now. I know. I can't think about it. I'm going to have to rant again. No.

Them babies are them teens. They're them teens now. This is so sublime. Thank you so much for joining us. Thank you. We, I mean, I just can't say enough. Like I said, like I think you're so much of the reason why like I am who I am. And yeah,

Thank you so much for everything that you've given of your talent, of your gift, of your songwriting. I mean, we could sit here and talk to you forever. You really are just the best. And you will always be that for me. And I'm so happy to meet you. Thank you so much. The way you've shaped the culture and the industry and the way you've shown people how to navigate it is truly amazing.

and we all... There's a hero. We end every episode with a song. Oh. And actually, this one, I really want more respect on this name. Okay, okay. Dream lover, come rescue me. Take me up, take me down, take me anywhere you want to, baby. And for the rest of that, you can listen to the Fantasy record. Bye! That's music, Bob.

Do not let me have all this knowledge and then flop at the end. How can that happen? No. Oh, my God. Thank you. Lost Culture Aces is a production by Will Ferrell's Big Money Players and iHeartRadio Podcasts. Created and hosted by Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang. Executive produced by Anna Hosnier and Hans Sani. Produced by Becca Ramos. Edited and mixed by Doug Bame and Monique Laborde. And our music is by Henrik Khmersky.

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