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Andrew Homan & Chris Miller - Redefining Semiconductor Progress - [Invest Like the Best, EP.395]

2024/11/5
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Andrew Homan: 半导体行业正经历着由人工智能驱动的范式转变,这将导致对芯片的需求大幅增加。大型科技公司正在垂直整合,设计并生产自己的芯片,以降低成本并获得竞争优势。在芯片层,将获得大量的经济租金。半导体行业具有周期性,但当前的资本支出是可持续的,并且计算资源得到充分利用,这与上世纪90年代末的电信行业泡沫不同。未来十年,半导体行业将吸引更多资本,因为该领域将创造大量价值,并且需要大量创新。在私募股权投资方面,半导体行业的估值较低,这为投资者提供了有吸引力的回报机会。半导体行业的初创企业数量较少,但它们在解决关键问题方面发挥着重要作用。 Chris Miller: 英特尔的历史和当前的挑战说明了大型成功公司转型到新业务的难度。英特尔的问题源于其过去的成功,使其在投资新产品方面变得风险规避。半导体行业经历了从完全集成到晶圆代工模式再到大型科技公司设计自己芯片的转变。未来几年,计算领域的支出将非常巨大,目标应该是找到降低成本的方法。由于规模经济,芯片生产将集中在少数几个地区,而大型数据中心项目也需要巨额投资。阿联酋在人工智能领域成为令人意外的参与者,而中国则可能成为令人意外的落后者。台积电的成功部分源于其专注于晶圆代工业务,以及其与客户的紧密合作。台湾半导体产业生态系统高度发达,这使得台积电能够快速响应并解决生产问题。芯片制造是人类进行过的最复杂的制造过程,其容错率极低。美国政府在半导体领域的三个主要目标是:减少芯片制造集中度、保持技术领先地位以及阻止竞争对手获得尖端技术。中国难以在半导体领域赶超美国,部分原因在于其试图实现自给自足,而这比其他国家以往的尝试更加困难。 Patrick O'Shaughnessy: 英特尔的历史成功和当前挑战值得研究,以了解半导体行业的现状。技术领域每十年都会发生一次架构性变化,目前正处于由人工智能驱动的新的范式转变的早期阶段。投资人对人工智能领域价值创造的地点存在分歧,一些人关注应用层,而另一些人关注基础设施层(包括芯片)。在PC和移动时代,硅片加上软件和两者之间的接口共同构成了护城河。未来十年,半导体行业将吸引更多资本,因为该领域将创造大量价值,并且需要大量创新。半导体行业的并购交易受到西方监管机构和中国监管机构的双重影响。当前的半导体行业与上世纪90年代末的电信行业泡沫不同,因为当前的资本支出是可持续的,并且计算资源得到充分利用。

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Why is Intel struggling to adapt to the new semiconductor paradigm shifts like AI?

Intel's struggles stem from its past success, which made it risk-averse and hesitant to invest in new products. They missed the mobile revolution by not producing chips for the iPhone when asked and are now lagging in the AI market due to their reluctance to pivot from their profitable PC and data center chip businesses.

Why is the semiconductor industry dominated by a few key players and why is it hard for new entrants?

The semiconductor industry is highly capital-intensive and technically complex, which has led to a concentration of expertise and resources in a few key players. The ecosystem in Taiwan, for example, is extraordinarily well-developed, making it challenging for other regions to replicate the same level of efficiency and scale.

Why are hyperscalers like Meta, Microsoft, and Amazon investing in custom AI chips?

Hyperscalers are investing in custom AI chips to reduce costs and improve performance for specific workloads. They are highly motivated to diversify their silicon supplier base and avoid becoming dependent on a single supplier, especially one with a larger market cap and more power.

Why is the edge AI market still in its early stages and what opportunities does it present?

The edge AI market is in early stages because it requires highly efficient, low-power chips suitable for battery-operated devices. There is significant potential for innovation in areas like wearables, industrial devices, and autonomous vehicles, where compute power is crucial but energy consumption must be minimized.

Why is power consumption a critical issue in the AI and semiconductor industry?

Power consumption is a critical issue because the current generation of AI chips, especially GPUs, are highly power-intensive. As more data centers are built, there is a growing need to find ways to economize and reduce energy usage to make AI more sustainable and cost-effective.

Why is the semiconductor industry considered cyclical, and how does this impact investment strategies?

The semiconductor industry is cyclical due to fluctuations in demand and supply. Despite this, it is also a growth cyclical industry, meaning that while there will be ups and downs, the overall trend is upward. Investors should be prepared to take advantage of down cycles, as these can present attractive opportunities.

Why is the memory wall a significant bottleneck in AI chip performance?

The memory wall refers to the speed and efficiency issues in moving data between the processor and memory. This creates friction in AI training and can limit the overall performance of the system. Solving this bottleneck through new memory architectures or closer integration of processor and memory could significantly enhance AI capabilities.

Why is the startup ecosystem critical for the future of the semiconductor industry?

The startup ecosystem is crucial because it provides the innovation and diversity needed to keep the industry competitive and dynamic. Established hyperscalers and semiconductor companies benefit from interacting with startups, which can help them solve specific pain points and stay ahead of technological shifts.

Why is the CHIPS Act important for the U.S. semiconductor industry?

The CHIPS Act is important because it aims to mitigate the concentration of chip manufacturing in Taiwan and other regions, keep U.S. firms technologically advanced, and prevent adversaries like China from accessing cutting-edge AI chips. It provides $40 billion in subsidies for domestic manufacturing, which can move the needle but will take time to significantly shift industry dynamics.

Why is the Chinese semiconductor industry struggling to catch up with global leaders?

China's semiconductor industry is struggling due to its isolated efforts to become self-sufficient, which is harder than participating in the global ecosystem. They face real scale limitations and supply constraints, particularly in accessing advanced tools and materials from U.S. and other international suppliers.

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Intel's history is a case study of how hard it is for successful companies to adapt to new technologies. Their past successes led to risk aversion and missed opportunities in mobile and AI. This highlights the challenges of embracing change and sacrificing established products.
  • Intel's struggles are a result of past success, leading to risk aversion and missed opportunities.
  • The difficulty of pivoting to new businesses, sacrificing established products and promoting people from different business streams.
  • The importance of adapting to paradigm shifts in technology to avoid obsolescence.

Shownotes Transcript

My guests today are Andrew Homan) and Chris Miller). Andrew has spent two decades at Maverick Capital and is a managing partner at Maverick Silicon, where he leads the firm’s technology investments. Chris is a professor at Tufts and the author of the New York Times best-selling book “Chip War,” which details the geopolitical battle to control the semiconductor industry. Together we get into a comprehensive discussion on the semiconductor ecosystem and the silicon backbone of our digital age. Andrew and Chris share insights on how venture capital is navigating this complex industry and what it means for the future of computing. We discuss the AI-driven revolution in chip demand, the geopolitics of semi-manufacturing, and the next wave of innovation beyond NVIDIA. Please enjoy my conversation with Andrew Homan and Chris Miller.

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Show Notes:

(00:00:00) Welcome to Invest Like the Best

(00:06:28) Intel's Historical Success and Current Challenges

(00:08:22) The Paradigm Shift in Technology

(00:11:44) AI and the Future of Semiconductors

(00:19:02) Political and Economic Considerations in Chip Manufacturing

(00:29:28) Investment Perspectives and Market Dynamics

(00:45:46) The Mobile Paradigm Shift: Apple vs. AT&T

(00:46:49) Corporate Strategies in the AI Transition

(00:48:02) NVIDIA's Dominance and Potential Vulnerabilities

(00:51:27) The Future of Edge AI

(00:57:02) Powering the Data Centers of Tomorrow

(00:59:42) The Semiconductor Startup Ecosystem

(01:05:08) The Role of Government and Global Dynamics

(01:07:28) Investment Strategies and Market Dynamics

(01:10:57) The Future of the Semiconductor Industry

(01:25:52) The Kindest Thing Anyone Has Ever Done For Chris And Andrew