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All right. Inside golf podcast. My name is Andy Lack. Great show today. Breaking down the AT&T Pebble Beach pro-am with Brian Kirshner, who I'm sure you know by now, before we get to the show, want to give a quick plug to the scramble every Tuesdays and Fridays on the Rick run good YouTube channel. Rick and I,
Spent a ton of time together at Torrey. So we have some fun stuff to recap on there this week. Also check out my odds checker piece on Wednesday morning. I will have round one matchups. And then on Friday night, we will have a midway report taking a look at the odds board and
at the halfway point but that will be it for me at the top sorry for the no sunday show this week just was a long weekend at tory and didn't really have the time um but we will get right back into it next week for phoenix all right let's get to the show
All right, Brian Kirshner's here. He bribed me to get on. He was the first person ever to invite himself on my podcast. And thank God he did because it was the start of a great friendship. He's a rich mom connoisseur.
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Andy, that was beautiful. I mean, that was so well spoken. I, you know, I want nothing but praise from you. So that was really great. And, you know, you are right. It happened. I totally did. I hit Harris outright.
I was like, fuck it. I want to go on Andy's pod. Like he should have me on his pod. Like I put out picks, like I'm an OG listener and I had you on and you know, you slept in my childhood bed in my guest room. We played a bunch of golf together. We're besties. And now you have me on for Pebble. So I could not be more excited to talk about Pebble this week and should make for a really interesting and a great betting week.
Yeah. You were one of, I think one of like the very first listeners to the podcast. I want to say like we started talking when, I mean, I probably had like a hundred, 200, maybe 300 followers. I think you had a little bit more, but still like maybe seven or 800. So yeah, we go, uh, we go way back. And I think the last, I think we did rocket mortgage.
We did. Last. Yeah, we did Rocket Mortgage last. But I've been on Tap and Birdie since, and we obviously talk every day. So I'm excited to talk Pebble Beach with you, man. How do you feel? Do you want to do any Tori before we go into Pebble? What do you think about Tori? Yeah.
I mean, I think we really need to talk about how we get over placing placement bets on Luke List, but not taking him out. Like, how are you kind of grappling with that? Because, you know, I tweeted it out and I think it's really interesting that Luke List modeled perfectly for anybody that made a valid model last week. And he goes out and wins it. You know, we didn't get there on an outright, but we thought he was going to play well. And like, how are you kind of dealing with just placing a top 40 on him?
Well, I actually was going to give you props. I'm glad you brought that up because I talked about him in my Sunday show and I said, this guy's rating out number two in this model that I made that I back-checked a hundred times and I've had a lot of success with. And he's the number two guy behind Jon Rahm. And I checked this a hundred times. He's exactly where he should be. And I don't trust it. And I'm
I'm not going to spit in the face of my model. So my exposure to him will be like a top 40 bet. But if he's 20% in DraftKings, I'm not going to play him. And I didn't play him. I played 0% of him in DraftKings. And I had a lot of sixes, sixes too, and barely made any money in DraftKings because I didn't play West or Zalatoris. I bet both of them in a finishing position market. But I want to give you a little credit because you always push back
on guys like me and Rob who talk about fading the public at all costs and how DFS is a game of leverage. And there's going to be weeks sometimes where the most obvious picks win. And you always talk about how the public as a whole is getting smarter, which I agree with. You're probably right about that.
And this was one of those weeks where it was like, yeah, he checked all of the boxes for a reason, right? Like it was a very good, this is a very good infomercial for fantasy national Luke West winning because you couldn't look at any numbers and have him not pop out. So I hope you made a little bit more money off him than I did.
Yeah, no. I, and you know, I brought it up on Mayo. It was like, you know, the start of the season, it's like TOC, Cam Smith, like highest owned guy next week, Russell Henley, super high owned. And then this week we get listed. It's just like,
Like these top guys are really performing well. And obviously at the end of the day, it comes down to finding good versus bad chalk. But, you know, if you're just like, okay, I'm going to bet the top three high stone guys and play them in DraftKings to start the season, like you're doing pretty well. You got to have some lower on guys in there.
but it was just, you know, like our friend says, it's not that easy. Like it kind of was that easy with List, and I'm a little bit surprised he wasn't on more people's outright cards because of how much sense he made and how well he modeled out for everybody. I think List got a little bit of the, you know, he's 36 years old, and I think he's been on tour consistently for over 10 years. So I think after a certain point, people are just like,
This guy can't win, you know, kind of gets like the Cameron Strangoli. Russell Henley is in that category too. Now, somehow, even though like he has when he, he just feels like one of those guys that can't win. And I think list being 36 and being on tour for so long, he just kind of got, uh,
that reputation of like, Oh, he can't win. He can't make enough putts on Sunday, but you saw him. I mean, I, I didn't, I didn't really watch any shot he hit all weekend. I was following ROM the whole time, but you saw him and he putted pretty well. Like he put, he wed the field and strokes game putting one of the days and he didn't putt perfectly on, on a Sunday, but you know, the main thing that he did in that, like he did, he,
He's so good with his irons and he left himself a tapping. And that is the best argument that you can get for Luke list is that on a ball strikers course, his ball striking is really going to be accentuated at a course like Torrey Pines. That isn't a putting contest, you know? So I'm happy for him. I, I like Luke list a lot. I'm happy to see a guy who's been grinding out there for a while and has been kind of like a, a darling in the fantasy community per se, finally get over the hump at a big tournament. Nonetheless.
Yeah, no, and his reaction on 18, you know, hugging his family at the end, like, that was just really great to see, and that's what, you know, the PGA Tour is all about. And, like, the thing that really pisses me off about it the most is that he was 80 to 1. It's 10 bucks. Like, sometimes we get so caught up in card construction,
and where you want to put your card and stuff. But at the end of the day, when you're betting guys over 60 to one, you don't need to risk that much. And it just like, if he really checks that many boxes, just like, just, just bet a little bit on it. So I'm going to get over it. I probably bet placement on a winner and no outright, like five times now. So it stings a little bit, but you know, we got to move on and just learn from it really.
Yeah, 18 was a really cool scene. Like it was, I don't know if the TV, did the TV broadcast do a good job of showing how dark it was? Because I kid you not, they could not have played another hole. Yeah, no. The Alatorres made that putt. They were doing it tomorrow morning.
Yeah, no, TV, obviously they're great. So they made it seem like it wasn't that dark, but I think your, your best boy, Rick tweeted out. He's like, I can report it's way darker than it seems like on TV right now. So I'm glad they got it in. And it would have been just very funny if they had to go on Sunday with how they moved the schedule around.
Yeah, I was standing there with Rick while the playoff was going down and he was like, yeah, this is CBS is because, you know, he does stuff for CBS, too. This is CBS's worst nightmare unfolding right before their eyes. So I'm really happy that they were able to get that in. And I really the last thing I want to say before we get to Pebble Beach, I really enjoyed the Saturday finish. Like it was really.
great to have the Sunday off because I was behind on my research. Obviously I didn't get to put out a Sunday show, but having that Sunday to just cram in a bunch of pebble stuff was, was really nice. And being able to watch football, obviously too.
Yeah, no, like for me, I'm like, you know, we're kind of in the same boat. Like I think for the casual fan, it's like Wednesday, Saturday, like this is great. But like from a content perspective, I hated just two days to put out content, digest all content. Like I really didn't enjoy that. And I would like to say that if it was a regular Thursday to Sunday and we had the regular content schedule, we both would have bet list 80 to one. I'm blaming it on the two day schedule.
Content that we had to do. And if the books don't adjust, it really doesn't make sense. But, you know, it's only once a year. So I think we can make way with it.
All right. Well, let's move on to Pebble Beach. We're back to Pro-Am, Brian. There are 156 players in the field. It's a 54-hole cut again. Remember, we didn't have it last year because of COVID. So we're back to a Pro-Am. We're back to a three-course rotation. Players are each going to play around at Pebble Beach,
Spyglass Hill, and Monterey Peninsula. And then those who make the cut will play their final round at Pebble. We only have shot tracker at Pebble. I did not have time to do a Sunday show, as I mentioned, but...
I have played both Pebble and Spyglass on multiple occasions, so I do have a few takes, but I'll kick it to you first. What are kind of the types of things you are looking at before we get into the odds board? You know, a lot of people are really talking up, you know, the birdie better percentage from short range, you know, with these wedges. So very different than last week. One of the longest courses on tour. A lot of guys are going to be hitting some long irons, and that's why it's Al Torres and Liz and Ron played so well. It's kind of looking at the opposite this week.
And I think that a big take and something I'm looking at is that you're not going to, it's, it's, you don't have to gain a million strokes off the tee because these people are saying that the rough really isn't that high. Obviously it's going to be more important to be out there, but like, I think this might be a Kapalua kind of thing where it's,
If you're kind of a poor driver of the ball and you're not the most accurate person in the world, you can kind of get away with it at these three courses. Winning score last three years, right around 19 under. Obviously, birdie or better percentage is going to be important. And of course, everyone knows Pebble Beach, some of the smallest greens on tour. So obviously we are going to want the guys we're betting on to hit the green and not have to worry about around the green game. But, you know, if a guy has a great short game, I think it's definitely a pro this week.
I would even go a step further. I think what you're hearing is correct. I don't think off the tee matters here at all. I mean, maybe I want to say like, I'm trying to think 14 to driver hole. I mean, maybe 12 or 13 out of the 18 holes. There's very little benefit to hitting driver here. And on the holes where you can't, like I would have shot just as good a score at pebble if I just left my driver out.
at home and the guys the holes where you do hit driver the fairways are really really wide and it's the same thing with monterey and spyglass very wide fairways the rough is not penal at all these are all second shot golf courses with small greens so i'm not looking at off the tee at all the one thing that i will say like my biggest takeaway from pebble beach and the stats do back this up
very, very difficult to make putts. Like it's this dark green, very splotchy. It's almost darker green than we saw at Torrey. I don't know if that's because we were up a little bit in Northern California now, but the stats bear that out too. This is consistently one of the hardest courses to putt inside 15 feet. And the one thing that you will hear all week is that these are
the smallest greens on tour. So obviously you're going to see a lower greens and regulation percentage, which means there's going to be a greater emphasis on short game. And the bunkers are pretty tricky here too. It's one of the tougher courses in sand saves, but even though the greens are small, uh,
you are very often going to be approaching them with a wedge. So the plurality of approach shots come from 75 to 125 yards, which is much wider than tour average. So I think, you know, a lot of it too, Brian depends on the weather. Like pebble is pretty damn easy in calm conditions, but if the wind gets going and it's supposed to be pretty cold out there, it's supposed to be in the fifties. Like it's tough. And,
And I would say like wedge play, like POA experience on POA short game and like experience in this format. Right. Like, I think there are certain guys that really enjoy a pro-am and consistently play well here every year. And there are probably some guys that, that don't enjoy it as well. So that those, that's kind of what I was thinking out of bird's eye view.
Yeah, no, I think all of my valid points, of course, obviously. Well, I was seeing on Twitter that they're going to be running at like 10.5. Like they're not, they're difficult, not because they're super fast. It's not like putting on. So these are a bit slower greens. They're just a little bit tougher to read. And do you think we see some, even with the green small, do you think we see some more three putts this week? Or do you think these par putts, three, four feet, they're not going to be gimmicks?
Yeah, I think we'll see more three putts just because people are going to miss more five-footers. So I think actually looking at it, there have been more three putts at this course than
than average despite these greens being 3 000 square feet and i think that's because you're gonna see guys miss some short putts which of course is going to be super tilting on shot tracker but we got that at last week at tory pines too like you saw at tory pines last week like there were really no gimmies and that's just kind of the nature of poa so yeah i think
that's kind of it for me. I, I have more takes cause I didn't do a Sunday show, but I'd kind of rather just get into the odds board. Cause there are a lot of guys I want to talk about. So you ready to go? Absolutely. Okay. So here are the 30 to one and under guys on draft Kings, Brian Patrick can't lay seven to one Daniel burgers, 10 to one Jordan speed is 18 to one Sal Torres, 18 to one Rose, uh,
20 to one Jason day, 20 to one Seamus power, 22 to one cam Tringali, 25, Matt McNeely, 25, Matthew Fitzpatrick, 28. And then on DraftKings, at least there's this big drop off before you get to the guys at 40. Who in this range are you going to Brian? And why is it Matt McNeely?
You know, you know, square play of the week. I always, you know, I always take the most obvious side. Like, I think if you like, like ask most people that bet golf three weeks ago, who do you like at pebble? They would probably say math. I'm going to be betting him. I got a 28 to one on him. I think that's a valid number of people that thought they would get a 35 to 40. We're just absolutely ridiculous. The books aren't that stupid. Top five here, top, top five for your last two years.
played really has been just playing well T to green. And I just think that the way that he plays on these small greens and obviously is from the area, you know, hometown narrative. I'm not, that's not the best reason to back somebody, but I just think that,
Like the fact that he has shown that he can excel here before and he always plays well in California. And like we talked about, these greens are kind of, you got to have some experience with them. And he's certainly more than anybody in the field has experience on these greens. You know, he's due for a win. He's trending for a win. He's one of those guys that hasn't won. It would make sense he's going to win at Pebble. Will it be that easy? I don't know. I will be betting him a 28 to 1 though.
Okay. I mean, I think you will not be alone on that. I have no real take on Matt McNeely. I'm not going to play him, but I get it. And I get you can make the argument that just like Luke List and Zala Torres last week, when everything makes sense, don't overthink it. Just do it. Forget about the number. Forget about the ownership. But unfortunately, that's never how...
I have bet or played DraftKings. So, you know, if a 25-1 Mav beats me, so be it. And I will be cheering for the community win on that one. I am going back to a guy instead, Brian, that, I mean, I have...
I've been riding all year. This is where the rubber meets the road for me and Justin Rose's relationship, Brian. We all know I was betting Justin Rose before it was cool to bet Justin Rose. You are the Justin Rose hipster 100%. Now everyone's on him. It's like, look at Andy. He was on him the last two weeks. So you are the Justin Rose hipster 1000%. So-
I saw something in the numbers that led me to believe that he was really not as far off as people thought he was. Now, I've said that about Gary Woodland as well. So I'm not saying this is always a slam dunk. But, you know, last week he gave it a real run. He had to make birdie on 18 to get into the playoff and he dunked it in the water. But that was a good pick, man. And now we have a situation where the odds have been slashed in half.
I imagine I will be welcoming many others to Rose Island this week. I assume it's going to get crowded. My beachfront property is still intact. But it feels Gooch-esque to me, Brian, where I was betting Gooch when no one thought he was good. And then when he starts delivering and the odds get slashed, I hop off and that's when he wins. So
So I'm going to hang on with Rose this week. I was really hoping for a 30 plus, probably going to settle for a 28, but he gained 5.4 on approach last week. The reason that I liked him so much at the farmers is because he had this awesome ball striking round on Sunday at the Amex. And I said, okay, this is encouraging. Maybe Rose has found something. And sure enough, he follows it up with the best ball striking week he's had in a year. So I just think he's really close. He's finished.
two strokes out of a playoff at the Wyndham, one stroke out of a playoff at the BMW PGA at Wentworth, and two strokes out of a playoff at the Farmers. So in three of his last seven starts, he's finished within two strokes of a playoff. So he's really close, and I think he wins this week, and I will be there for it.
No, I love it. Like I like before the pot, I'm like, if Andy isn't betting Justin Rose this week, like I would absolutely go crazy because I placed the best for you the last two weeks. I was like, you cannot hop off Justin Rose now because he's getting a lot of love. You know, obviously he's played well here. I don't on fantasy national says AT&T national. Is that is that this one? Has he won before? That's not it.
AT&T Pebble, type in AT&T Pebble Beach. AT&T National is, I think, the one that is now...
Well, it was quick and loans too, but he, yeah, he's played, he's been like six, he's finished six years before and he finished third at the 2019 U S open. Yeah. He would, he was the guy. And if anyone was going to take down Gary Woodland that week, it would have been Justin Rose. He was in the final pairing with him. So, I mean, he obviously has familiarity with the course. He was just putting on these public greens and 28. I really do think it is a good number on him. He's trending. I hope,
you keep riding the trend to a win because you've been on him and this is kind of where it's going to come into fruition. And I think this is definitely a better course set up for him than the past two weeks. And he's still performed really well those two weeks. So I think it all makes, makes all the sense in the world. So what I want to ask you about, we were kind of talking about it before is that, you know, as Al Torres, like he's 15 to one fundamentally, um,
this would make no sense to play him last week. And Tori couldn't be like the reasons why people like Sal Torres last week are kind of mitigated here. A lot of long irons last week, driving distance, very important. It's kind of opposite this week. So I don't think he's going to get a lot of love, but do you think it's a valid take to just be like, these courses are completely different and why he performed well last week. Like it's not going to work here. Yes. I think that's a fair take. I think Sal Torres is, uh,
Kind of challenging this week because I agree. I feel pretty strongly that his skill set is far better suited for longer and more difficult courses. Now it's kind of funny because relative to other players, he's like a top 10 long iron player in the world, but he's also like a bottom 20 wedge player in the world. Like he's towards the very bottom of this field over a large sample size and short iron proximity. With that being said,
He gained over 12 strokes from TD Green last week. He did that through three rounds. You're kind of operating at a level that 95% of this field isn't even capable of reaching. So even if you make zero putts,
Your floor is so inherently high. Like, I mean, he made it to a playoff losing 1.3 strokes putting. I tweeted this out, but in his last two tournaments, he's beaten 306 out of 312 competitors while losing nearly three strokes putting to the field. That is like some God-level shit. So, I mean...
In DraftKings, I'm going to be interested to see what the ownership is like. I don't feel that strongly about Cantlay this week. I'm not playing Jason Day. I'm not playing Spieth. I'm not playing Matt McNeely. So if the ownership is palatable, I would play Zalatoris despite the course fit because...
I think he's operating on a different level than everyone else right now with the ball striking. It's crazy to me. I think he feels more comfortable hitting a five iron on the center of a club face than he does a three foot putt, but he legitimately could have lost five strokes putting last week and finished in the top 10. It's, it's wild. So I think where I'm at was Zell Taurus, no interest in the outright number, but like if the ownership's palatable, I'll be there. And like, we kind of skipped over, uh,
can't lay in burger like from a DraftKings perspective are you starting your lineup with those guys
So I like, I really like Cantley. Like I always like Cantley. I think that of the top guys, I mean, Rom kind of also, but I think you could put Cantley on any course, any type of event and he's going to excel. He could do it in hard conditions. He can do it in easy conditions. Like he's just so good and has so little flaws in his game where it's not like you put Rom on a wedge fest and you're like, I'm scared of him. Like, cause like you've talked about a lot, like his, it's kind of mitigated. Look,
Sometimes the simplest solution makes the most sense. Cantley is amazing in California. He's been playing some excellent golf and he's going to a course where he was contending and leading for half of it last year. I'm having a little bit of trouble fitting him into lineups. And I think it's a lot easier to maybe just skip him and just start my lineups with Seamus and Mav or maybe like as Al Torres as a little bit of a leverage play, but yeah,
Again, I don't like betting guys 8-1. You just have to front so much money to make it worth your while if they do win. And like we've seen, it's just so hard to win an event that you just place $50 on a guy to win. And it's just like, really? My money could have been better used else there. Berger, I mean, you hit him here last year. You bet him outright. Do you think he can go back-to-back?
Yeah, I do. I mean, I didn't get to watch like I did you see it seemed like everyone was tweeting about him being injured last week.
I didn't see any of that. Like I didn't cause I was following other guys, but did you see like, is he hurt right now? Cause that's what, that's what people are saying. I really do not know. I mean, he finished around, I don't know what he like wound up finishing. I think like in the twenties, I mean, he's fine. He finished, he finished T20. Yeah. And it just like, I mean, Berger has his courses where he plays well. And I think a lot of people were on him last year because it makes perfect sense. He's,
easily top three iron player in the world. And when we talk about really small greens and putting an emphasis on approach play and with these scoring clubs, I mean, that's Daniel Berger as like every single week, it's going to come down to if he can putt or not. And, you know, that's a hard thing to, you know, kind of predict if one of the best ball strikers in the world is going to find his putter, because I can guarantee you, and I know you know this, if he gains a stroke putting, like he probably wins this event.
Like, I just think that his ball striking has been so elite recently. And he's going to, of course, that he's won at and contended at before. It's just like, it's really a no brainer, but I can't get there at 14 to one. And I would assume his ownership would be very high in draft games. Yeah. I like the nines so much too. And I like the high eights so much too, that I'm probably leaning towards the
more balanced this week. Speaking of guys I like in the nines, let's talk about Seamus because Seamus was my first instinct and you're in on him, right? You already bet Seamus. Yeah, I bet Seamus at 30 and I was kind of saying to myself and in general, I think that if you bet Seamus...
Like in the swing season, the past couple of weeks, like there's really no reason to hop off now, now that he's coming to a weaker field and a, like he just a strokes game savant and he gets it done every single week. And I think playing him top 20 is like one of the safest things you could do in golf betting because he's just so consistent and he does it every week.
I'm not going to hop off Seamus when he won the Barbasol. It was a shorter course. You know, he's okay on POA, but I just think that if you've met him like recently and you can fit him on your card, like I think he has a way better chance of winning an event like this with maybe a weaker field and just the way he's been ball striking it.
I just think this is a week that you just, I don't want to hop on him. I don't want to miss if he wins. You know, my biggest concern would be that, you know, winners of this event have shown recent, um,
like they've shown that they could top 10 at this event before. He's never played here before. And I think that's a pretty valid reason to be scared and not want to bet him. I'm going to overlook that. I'm going to be betting Seamus power. I got a 30 to one on him. I like him in draft games as well. Yeah. And he's a much better player now than he was,
I mean, he's playing so well right now, Brian, like last eight starts seven top 25 finishes. And you, I kind of keep comparing it to Gooch and to Burns and Cam Smith to a certain extent where the numbers are so good and he just keeps knocking and knocking. And the price increase is obviously what makes it challenging, but like Brian,
getting comfortable seeing a two next to Seamus power, but like by the numbers in this field, like Seamus power is a 25 to one golfer right now. But at the same time, like a Seamus at 25, a better bet than Matt Fitzpatrick at 40. I don't know. I do love this course for him. I mean, like you said, he hasn't been great here, but I just think he's a much better player now. And the last, the last couple of times he's been on like shorter pitches,
coastal positional golf courses like the RSM, the Heritage. He's been really good. He's from Ireland, so I have to imagine he's played his fair share of coastal golf in the winds. And even if the conditions are really calm, he's so good in easy scoring conditions too and makes a ton of birdies. I'm going to use him a ton in draft games.
Okay. I'm glad. I'm glad. Cause you were, we're talking and you're like, all right, James power. I'm like, okay. Like I'm always going to, I no problem. Not betting him. So I'm glad you're getting some exposure to shame me this week. I pivoted though. You want to guess who I pivoted to? So I, I, I,
I don't know, but I just really quickly want to touch on Cam Tringali because just like we've talked about, we're de-emphasizing off the tee this week. And if you just pull up Fantasy National and you go to strokes game total and you go to who's lacking off the tee, Cam Tringali pops up. He's 113 in strokes game off the tee, but everything else is so good. Therefore, I think there's a case for Cam Tringali because again, we're de-emphasizing off the tee this week. It's not that important, but
I think the reason why I don't like him and I won't be playing him is that you look at his starts. He played really well at the Zozo, played really well at Houston, played really well at Torrey. Those are all difficult events. I think that's where a strong suit is. But I do think there is a case to be made if we're de-emphasizing off the tee for Cam Tringali.
I swept right by him from an outright perspective. But in DraftKings, yes. He's expensive in DraftKings. So that means that the ownership might be low. And if the ownership is low, yeah. I could see, like I said, like I...
I really like the nines and I really like Justin Rose who's right next to him. And I really like Seamus power who's right next to him. And I really like one other guy in the low nines as well. So it's going to be tough to fit him in, but yeah, I mean, I, I, I see it with Tringali. He's a good player. He gets like his, his,
He gets a lot of knock for not being able to win, but he's a good player that is very, very consistent. So yeah, he is ownership dependent for me, but I have my eye on him. Are you considering betting him too? No, no. I would just kind of like...
just broad approach, like just very simplistic. If off the, cause I was thinking about kind of Cam Smith at TOC where Cam Smith, what's his weakness driving. He's going to a wide open golf course. He goes on and wins because it's the emphasize. So I was just kind of thinking about it from that sense a little bit, but Andy, I know you pretty well. I'm going to say you bet Matt Fitzpatrick at like 40 to one. I'm assuming that's what you did. You didn't tell me, but I think that's what you bet.
Fitzpatrick is the play. I really think Fitzpatrick is the play. Maybe I galaxy brain myself into this today. He's definitely the play in DraftKings and probably one and done too. You want to talk about forgotten elite. And I understand elite is a relative term in this field, but I saw 40 to one on him and I took it. And when Matt McNeely and Cam Trincaillier are 25 to one and he's 40, like he's,
that's dumb to me. And I know he's not going to pop in anyone's models unless they're using European tour data, but listen to what Fitzpatrick has done on the European tour in the last six months, T2 miscut T20 win T2. So he's two runner ups and a win on the European tour in the last six months. None of those stats are, are in fantasy national. Um, and this is a good course for him. He's great in the winds. He's had success on POA before an eliminated sample size fifth at Riviera, uh,
I think it's close between him and Seamus, but if you're asking me Seamus at 30 or Fitzpatrick at 40, I think Fitz is the better bet. I really do. I bet him at 40. I didn't expect to see it. I wouldn't have been surprised if they put him at 20. I think he is 25 at some places, but
I liked the 40 on him. I was already high on him in DraftKings and one and done, but yeah, I'm rolling with Fitzpatrick this week. I think he is a, I think he is a sound play. Are you out? No, I like it. I have no problem with it. You know, I'm not going to be betting him outright, but I just think, I think it makes a lot of sense. And he was good at the U S open here. He he's played this. He's played pebble before. And, you know, like we've talked about, like,
He doesn't play it like he's not going to play a million events on the PGA tour. He's obviously going to a course that he likes and thinks he can contend on. That's what all these guys do. So I think that since we haven't seen him, but he has been playing and playing well on the Euro tour, I think he might get overlooked because some of the stats, you know, they're not going to pop up and fence national or Rick run good or whatever stats I do. So I love it. I'm happy for you. I think it's a great number on a guy that's, you know, his OWGR is very high compared to where his odds are.
Hopefully he gets busy for my fantasy team as well. Does that, is that, is that bias? Like, are you kind of like, you know, you want both to happen? Yeah.
Yeah, I mean, I think Fitzpatrick's good. I wouldn't have drafted him if I didn't think he was good. I think he's picked up some distance off the tee, and he won on the European Tour recently and Valderrama at this super hard course, which was a really good event that Rom shot 80 at.
Um, and he won. So yeah, I think Fitzpatrick's good. It's just 40 to one's a good number, but I think other people are going to see that 40 to one's a good number. So I'm not, I'm not saying he's like going to be flying under the radar. I think 40 will have people's attention, but yeah, I like Fitzpatrick. Um,
Let's dive into the mid tier. Let's talk about some of these guys in the mid tier. I'm not going to list all these guys, but who do you have your eye on in that kind of like 30 to 60 range? I like CBS actually. Um, you know, I think again, like we talked about just a very simplistic approach to this week, uh,
Off the tee is not that important. Your Poa fantasy nationally is 14th in total strokes gained, but 122nd in strokes gained off the tee. First in strokes gained short game, obviously going to be important this week. Has proven that he can putt on Poa. He played well last week. I think he had a top 20 finish. He's riding some decent recent form. I bet him outright. I got a 50 to one on him. You know, I'm not someone that, you know, bets see that as all the time, but I just think that, you know, simplistic,
Looking at it this week, I like that he has been playing. Some guys, it's their first start in a while. That's kind of a little bit of cause for concern. But I like Seabed this week. I'll be playing him in DraftKings. I like a 50-1 on him. And yeah, I definitely like him for the mid-tier.
Yeah, me too. He may actually make my betting card. I'm trying to figure out between three guys in this like 50 to 80 range, but his irons have really started to come around. Like he gained 3.4 on approach last week. He's gained over a stroke on approach in all three of the events that he's played this year. And I would argue that this is the best course fit for his game. Yeah, because he's really, he's a really, really good wedge player. And he also has a distinct advantage on courses with small greens.
and low greens and regulation percentage because the short game is so good too. My one concern is that
this event has been very predictive with course history and he's never played here before. And I don't think that I don't like pebbles, not that nuanced of a course or tough to figure out. Um, I just think that the pro-am is such a different style, um, that that could throw some people off guard, but I do like the fact that he played in the pro-am at the Amex and was fine. So I'm going to play him. I might end up betting him too. There are a couple other guys. I
I like in here, any of these guys like Mito Kisner, Streelman, Mackenzie Hughes, Ryan Palmer, Lonto Griffin, like any of those guys have your attention. I mean, who are you kind of debating between? Because I mean, Shreelman obviously has superb course history. Kisner, he's playing on a short course. I mean, he's shown that he can always contend there. Um,
Mito, I mean, he's been playing great. And he had a really good swing season. And, like, I don't know if this might be a little early for him to get his first win. Like, I don't know. I mean, if we're talking about...
courses that fit his game perfectly is it a shorter um course where off the tee is not that important i know that he can club down and still be pretty far out there um you know i think they're all great plays and they all have valid reasons who are you kind of debating between with with uh bez and with uh seabass like definitely not mito definitely not mito the wrong people are picking him and i'm not i'm not above that um
I'm looking at, so let me ask you this. Why like Ryan Palmer was very popular last week, right? And he was really, really good. And now he's playing in a much weaker field and his odds are almost the same as they were last week. Now that is obviously because he has really good course history at Torrey and not good history at pebble, but he keeps coming back here for some reason. He's played here 13 times. He's made the cut eight times, zero top 20s.
But last week he gained 2.7 off the tee and 2.5 on approach. And he was really good at the Sony too. He was in that winning lineup that I had. So now he's got back-to-back top 20s where he's gained 2.5 off the tee and 1.5 on approach. Like he, he might be a bet for me at 50. Like it's either him, Bazayden Hout or Mackenzie Hughes, who I love. I was really high on Mackenzie Hughes last week. Now, you know this too, because you sent this to me. He,
his Mackenzie Hughes is last week's a little misleading because he missed the cut on the number, but he also got a bullshit two stroke penalty. So I think the miscuts a little misleading and I don't love that. He's missed his last three cuts here, but I do love the way that he sets up on a shorter course with small greens. And I don't think a lot of people will be using him. So I'm going to go, you know, it's going to be Hughes, McKenzie,
Bazayden Hout or Palmer for me. I like Strelman and DraftKings. I'll eat the chalk with Strelman and DraftKings. I like Kuchar and DraftKings too. I'll eat the chalk with Kuchar and DraftKings. But in terms of an outright...
probably Hughes, Bazayden, Hal Palmer, or the one last guy, Brian. And now we're kind of jumping into like closer to 100. But like, are we sure that Mito is better than Aaron Rye? Like, why is Aaron Rye double Mito's price? Like of all the guys that played well last week,
I'm a little surprised that Rye isn't getting more of a massive price increase. I mean, the dude played in the final group at Torrey. He gained over a stroke in all four major categories. This is a really good course for him. He's a great iron player, solid short game. For whatever reason, I don't think he'll be popular, but I'm going to play him a ton in DraftKings. He's double the odds of Mito and he's cheaper on DraftKings. I don't really understand that.
All right. Lots of, lots of, lots of digest here. One, I would say that playing Ryan Palmer outright would just be zagging to, for the pure sake of zagging. I think Ryan Palmer, you know, that's what I do. I know, but like, I don't think in an outright perspective, that makes sense. I would think Ryan Palmer makes way more sense in a drafting sense, but I, I like, I know you don't give two shits about what I think about your outright card, but I would not put Ryan Palmer on it.
But I think it draft kings with the ownership flow. I'm sure he can make the cut and finish in the top 30, but two missed cuts in his last two times around. Me, though, yeah, I don't know. And then...
Rye, I think that, you know, total narrative based, but I think that like many people, myself was just like hated watching him in the final group. Like took forever. It had nothing to do with the two gloves. Like I don't give a shit, but his vibe kind of just threw me off.
a little bit. But I think it's a great number on a guy that has shown that he can contend very recently and is obviously figuring out something in this game. He's won in Europe twice. The broadcasters are wrong. It was only twice, but I think Aaron Rye, what can you get a hundred to one on him? What, what number? 80, 80. I mean, still that's a very small investment. I think that's a way better. If you could fit two guys, you know,
instead of betting Ryan Palmer or even Seabass, who I mean, I like, I bet outright. I mean, I don't think he's going to win, but I just think that would be a better play. As long as you don't bet Ryan Palmer on your outright card. And this, me saying this probably makes you want to play it even more.
No, I hear what you're saying with Palmer. I'm debating these guys. We'll see. I also like Hoagie. I did bet Tom Hoagie. You can't hop off. This is a situation you cannot hop off Tom Hoagie. Yeah, so he was 65-1. He's 50 at a lot of places. I feel okay about the 65. I mean...
Pebble Beach features this really, really high plurality of approach shots from 75 to 125. You're going to have a lot of flip wedges to a lot of small greens. And Hoagie is the number one player in the field over a large sample size with those flip wedges. So, and he's got a really, really underrated short game too. And he was, he's pretty popular last week at the farmers missed the cut. So he let some people down, but yeah,
I like Kogi. He's showing some flashes right now. He's got two top fours in his last four starts. He's been in the mix. He was in the mix at the RSM. He's in the mix again at the MX. I think he's a good enough wedge player to win a tournament. And it's just going to come down to how many putts he can make inside 10 feet because he's not the best at that. But I think he has such a leg up because of how good his wedges are. So I'm going to play him. I'm going to bet him.
kind of moving down a little bit more, Brian. So you are, I want to agree with you on Hoagie because I think that the Amex and Sony are way more indicative of success here than the farmers. And I think that in a weird way, you kind of mix Sony, which is a shorter positional golf course, heavy emphasis on approach play. And then next week at the Amex, you have the three course rotation with the pro and he played well, he played better at the
but he played decent at both. So I think that hoagie makes a lot of sense this week. I think it's a great play. Are you betting him? I mean, I don't, again, I, I, everything's last week with no list. It threw me off. I don't know how to fucking structure anything anymore. But I, I think it makes a lot of sense. I'll definitely play him in draft games. Maybe a top 20. I don't know, but,
I'm kind of, of all the guys we've talked about, Hoagie, I feel good about. Okay. So you're, well, you got two guys in the twenties or one guy, 25, one guy, 30, and then you're doing Baz 50. So then who are you going next? Yeah. I don't know. I mean, I think that my card right now is Mav 28, Seamus 30, Seabass 50. And then I could definitely fit in Hoagie if I can get, I'm looking at a 55 right now. I could play that. And then I could play like Kodaira and fucking Echo. Yeah.
Yeah, there's some good guys here. I mean, what about like this 60 to 100 range? I already talked about how rye. I really like rye. I bet Andrew Putnam at 78 to one.
Why are you laughing? I just was not expecting Andrew Putnam to be, to be on your car. He's my guy. You know, I'm an Andrew Putnam guy. I was on him at the Amex cash me a nice top 40 and I'm going right back. He gained 3.9 and approach prior to that. He finished 27th at the Sony where he gained strokes in all four major categories. Um,
He hasn't been great here. I'm a little surprised he hasn't been better here, but I like the fit. He's had some nice success on POA. His biggest real weakness is off the tee. And as we've talked about, I don't think that matters here at all. So he will prominently be featured in my DraftKings lineup. I bet I'm a huge fan of Putnam. But I think that for me is like the only other guys that I would want to talk about
Going forward, our guys like way above a hundred to one. Yeah. So what about, what about you? Like, are, are there, is there anyone else like you think we're missing in this? I mean, like, I mean, obviously the odds are different, but, but no, I don't, I think that's, that's definitely, I'm definitely fine in this range. I think I'm moving. Okay. So I was thinking for a second, Brian Harmon, because he always plays well on shorter courses and he's been playing well. He played well.
He obviously had that blistering hot Sunday at the Amex, but I don't know. He doesn't have great course history here, and I'd rather play him on Pete Dye because he just plays really well on Pete Dye TBC courses. I think just playing him because it's a shorter course, I don't think that's enough for me to get around to Brian Harmon, but I'm good in this range. Okay, let's talk about some of the guys above 100-1. I have...
One, two, three, four, five, six. Six guys that I can talk about in terms of like...
I think they're really good DraftKings plays. Two bets above 100 here. I'll start off. Sahitha Gala, 130 to one is my favorite bet on the board. Oh my God, this is such a good bet, Brian. By the way, 130 to one on DraftKings, 65 on FanDuel. And FanDuel is usually more lenient than DraftKings. So isn't that interesting?
It makes no sense. Okay, so we have no affiliation to Andy Sportsbook. FanDuel's odds are great for like zero to 50, and then they're bad for Reston. DraftKings is abysmal. I literally don't know who would bet anything on DraftKings below 50 to 1. The numbers are literally horrible. But their long shots are really good. I don't get it. It makes no sense.
Yeah, that one was weird to me, too. I mean, I think that he honestly should be closer to 65 than he should be to 130. He's been playing great. Yeah, he's 25th at the Farmers last week, gained 3.8 on approach, 1.7 strokes putting on Poa.
which he's very used to, I would assume, because he went to Pepperdine. This year, he's made every cut, and he's consistently getting better, 48th, 33rd, 25th. All these young guys, he's actually contended and held a share of the lead on a Sunday this fall at Sanderson. I think he can win. This is a good course for him. He's got a really good short game. I think he can dominate the par fives at Spyglass and Monterey. Excellent wedge player, like
let's fucking go. So Heath, let's do this baby. No, I love it. And I'm in on it with you because I place it for you. I place it for someone else. It's like, I'm not going to miss out on him. And it's really a great number for someone who's been playing really well. And I love, absolutely love the West coast connection because we've talked about these greens are difficult and you're going to have need to have some experience on them. And if he has them and his ball striking has been great, I think it's an absolutely perfect,
So then the guy I like bomb territory. I really don't bet a lot of bombs because like I've talked about, I'm just honest with myself. Like I'm probably just not going to hit an outright, like at one 50 to one, like that's just kind of hard to do. It's hard enough to hit one, like in the range that they hit all the time, but I will be betting like,
Satoshi Kodaira, one of my best boys. Love him. His best putt in surface actually is Poa. He's won at the RBC, another short positional iron play
golf course. So I really liked that. And he played well at the Sony 12th place at the Sony game, five strokes tee to green. And he's a great wedge player. He plays really well with his wedges and he's not super long off the tee. So I think that this is just a really good spot for him. I mean, you could get it. I'll, I'll bet him out, right. Just because of Luke list and because I'm scared of betting a guy placement, but I definitely like him in draft Kings. I definitely like him top 20, top 40. So he's one of my favorite bombs, but yeah,
I know you have a personal connection with him and like list last week, he's popping. If you make a model and you put the right things in it, echo Austin Eckroth is popping. Do you think that is valid given you that, you know, him personally and he's your best friend?
Yeah, you bet your ass I'm on Eck Road at 301. Eck Road is so fucking good at golf, Brian. Not just for my intel at his home course in Oklahoma. There's probably first-time listeners that don't get what I'm talking about. My best friend is from Oklahoma. He belongs to a golf course called Oak Tree National. Shout out Jack Sullivan. And that is the course that Matthew Wolfe plays at.
And that is the course that Austin Eckro plays at. That's the course that both of those guys practice at. And we've had this running joke where all of the members at Oak tree are like,
better than Wolf. Like, Eckroth is the real fucking deal. Whenever they play, Eckroth, like, crushes... There's, like, this story about... I think him, Hovland, and Wolf played a cash game together, and Eckroth shot, like, 62 and kicked both of their asses. So, listen. Like, I...
I'm not going to say it's going to happen this week. I'm not saying he's better than Matthew Wolfe. Matthew Wolfe won on his first start on the PGA Tour, but I think he's very good. And I think that's the type of thing that obviously Bucks don't know yet, but you look at what he's already done on the PGA Tour. He missed a cut last week in his first start of the year, but...
But he gained over a stroke on approach and off the tee. And that's encouraging to me because he got into that tournament at the very last minute and he's better on shorter courses anyway. So that was always going to be a tough spot for him. But over the 17 rounds that we have on him of the PGA Tour data, and this is not including a 12th at the Mayakova.
that he had in like his fourth start ever. Awesome wedge player, hits a ton of greens and regulation, makes a lot of birdies, really good on short courses. And I think what also Brian sets him apart from some of the newer guys, he actually played in the 2019 US Open at Pebble Beach as like a 17-year-old. He missed the cut, but...
like barely, I think he missed a cut on the number and he gained a stroke ball striking here. He just couldn't buy a pot. He was 17. Like I said, like Wolf one really early in his career and he's,
People think this guy could be just as good as Wolf. So let's do this. I'm super excited for him. It may not come to fruition this week, but I think Eckerd's going to be really, really, really good. No, I love it. I'm in on it. I mean, I know you bet him outright, but I think a top 40, top 20 on him, I think there's some really good value. And I'm playing a lot of lineups. Where I'm looking at kind of things right now, Kadira, Eckerd,
Seamus, Cantley, that's the 7K flat. You know, if I could kind of get a guy in there, I'm definitely going to be in on Ekron this weekend. Like all the things you talked about, like if you make him out of this weekend, you put the right things in it, he's going to pop in it. And I think that there's a lot of value in that. And I'm in on it. So let's see top 40. I think they're out. I think it's a great bet. I know it will be on your card, right? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
Echo top 40. That is the Andy bet. So are you done with mega whale play bombs? No. Okay. So he's plus 170 top 40. That is the Andy Lack bet. Austin Echo top 40 plus 170. That is your bet. That is you, Andy. FanDuel or DraftKings? DraftKings. Okay. I think the FanDuel number will be a little bit better.
Yeah. I don't know if those are, I don't know if those are out yet, but yeah, we'll see. We'll see when the FanDuel comes out. Cause FanDuel's top forties are way better than DraftKings. So are you done with mega whale play bombs? No, absolute max play whale bomb this week, Seamus and Mav top 20. You get a plus 100 on Mav top 20 plus 150 on Seamus top 20. Those are max play whale bombs. I'm throwing 250 on each. Like I'm not even kidding. Like I'm like, not, this isn't a bit like,
I, I, I love those plays. Like I'm, I'm investing heavy into those two top 20 because Mav mega chalk. I don't know if he's going to win, but I really think there's no way he does not finish in the top 20. Well,
I love how you said this is not a bet. Okay, are you parlaying them together? No, I'm not parlaying them. I'm just throwing 250 on each. So which is the mega whale? Or it's just like a two-parter? No, they're both max play whale bombs. Matt McNeely plus 120. Seamus Plower, they know. They know because I tweeted it out. I said just bet Seamus Plower top 20 every week and retirees plus 100. I can get a better number on that. Not everything's out yet, but 250 on both of those. Not a bet.
not a bit, not for content. Okay. Well, any other guys, there's one or two more DraftKings guys I can give you that I think are really good. Brant Snedeker is really underpriced this week. Now that might make him chalky, but he should get that bump that Kevin Streelman is getting, that Jason Day is getting based on course history. Like he's won here twice and he did not get that bump. Like he's a hundred to one and $7,400. I
I don't know if that's because he missed a cut last week and let a lot of people down, but for him to be 7,600 at Torrey in that field and then 7,400 at Pebble in this field, like that is dumb. So unless the ownership gets crazy, you should play Snedeker at 7,400. And then, you know, I'm going back to Huck.
to Hubbard. He's the best DraftKings play under 7K, excluding Eckroth. This happened last week with List, where he was at the very top of my model, and I kept checking it, and I was like, no, goddammit, List is exactly where it's supposed to be. Hubbard's really high for me this week, concerningly high, and I think he's right where he's supposed to be. He's a great short iron player, great pillow putter.
elite, elite short game gets up and down from everywhere. So I'm going to have him everywhere. He can be found as high as 350 to one as well. No, you, you rounded out my draft Kings lineup perfectly. So this is, this is my draft Kings lineup because I needed a guy in that range. So I'm going Cantlay, Power, Seabeds, Eckrote,
Hubbard. That is my fan. That is my single entry this week. How much money are you leaving on the table? $300 on the table, which I'm fine with leaving. I like that. I like that a lot. Yeah.
Yeah, I'm very happy with that lineup. I'm depositing a lot of money to DraftKings this week. That's my single entry. Like, not even a question. I really like that. And I was literally going to say, I kind of need a guy like 7K and below. And I think Hubbard, if he models out well and he's been playing decent, he was fine last week, then I think that that works certainly. So, yeah, thank you, Andy. We're going to win all the money this week. How much is Kadaira on DraftKings? He's 6,900, Ekro's 68.
I was going to say, so we don't get duped, I could probably go up from, I think, Saheeth 72. So I could just sub Saheeth for Kadira and make it work. Yeah, I think that works. Oh, and we were going to have our, well, here's the issue. We were going to have our head-to-head on Ekro versus Kadira, but now it seems like- Yeah, that's fine. I'm high on Ekro, but I'm fine with that bet between us. I think that's a valid bet. I'm down to wager some money on that.
Okay. Anyone else you want to mention before we get into anything else that you want to talk about? No, I think my low price guys are Kadyrak and Hubbard. I like all them. So last thing I would say, do you think that there's any validity to either a favorite or a massive bomb has won this event? Are you a little squeamish betting a guy 50 to one, or do you think that's just completely irrelevant?
Nah, I like like the mid tier this week. Like even in DraftKings, I was talking about how much I like the low nines and the eights. This is like, it's not a putting contest, really. I mean, it kind of is. It's not as much of a putting contest as the Amex. There's just this weird element with the pro-am. So if you want to say this is a tournament with more variants, then
And it caters to more long shots winning, like for sure. Pebble is a course that anyone in this field can compete at. So yeah, I would say that if you want to take a similar approach where, you know, you're betting a bunch of long shots here, I have no problem with that. I'm taking some shots with some super long shots, but I've also got some bets I feel really good about in that like 30 to 100 range as well.
You know, I think what's really interesting is that last year, the leaderboard, it was like literally like just the four like kind of best players. It was Cantley, Spieth, Mav, and...
And Berger. And it's like, those guys are all below basically like 25 to one this year. It's just like, and the last year, you know, you have one less course in the rotation. You don't have a pro-am, you know, that takes some variables out of it. But I just think that was very interesting that it was just like all those guys, you can make a very valid case for again, this year, they're all very like, I have a little short odds and they were one, two, three, four last year. So, you know, maybe sometimes the most obvious makes sense.
I pulled it up as you were just talking right now. So last 10 years, so Nick Taylor won at 160 to one Vaughn Taylor, one at 300 to one. There's one more Vaughn Taylor. Oh, Ted Potter, Ted Potter, one at 500 to one, but so, uh,
Seven out of the last 10 years, it's been someone under 30 to one. But the three years where it hasn't been someone under 30 to one, it's been someone over 150 to one. Yeah. But there's been like Berger 14 to one, Phil 25 to one, Jordan Spieth nine to one, Snedeker 25 to one, Jimmy Walker 28 to one, Snedeker 14 to one, Phil again, 25 to one. Yeah. So, you know, you could go either way with it. Love it. Yeah.
I'm glad we're hitting a winner. You're going back to back at Pebble Honda. All right. What do you want to close with? Football? Yeah, let's talk Super Bowl. Let's talk Super Bowl. Do you have an early lean? I mean, Andy, like I know you pretty well. I know your football picks. Like my gut would say that you're taking the Rams. Like I think you like the Rams. Like I think you are Rams or bus side.
So my thing about the Super Bowl is the past two years, I've bet heavily on the under because it's the fucking Super Bowl and everyone and their mothers wants to bet the over and it's two usually good teams, but it never pans out that way. And it's always low scoring. So I always take the under in the Super Bowl. I'm taking it again this year. And, you know, I think the Bengals, you know, they could be, you know, kind of talked as, as an over team, but I think the Rams are definitely an under team actually. And, and,
I like the under 49 and a half. I really like the under and I'm taking the bangles. Like I'm just not going to bet against Joe Burrow. Like I don't care. Like I think that obviously, you know, the average Joe is just going to see what he did, but I'm way more impressed with Burrow and the bangles win than the Rams. When they could have lost that game. If some NFL guy made a catch. So I'm taking the bangles with the points. I'm taking the money line and I'm taking the under.
I would wait on the under two because that's... Yeah, I wouldn't bet that now. It's going to go up. Yeah, I think a lot of money will come in on the over. You're going to call me classic. I don't like the side or the total in this game at all. I didn't bet a side or total in the championship games. I didn't like those either. And you know me, I take a different... I'm not...
If I don't see an edge, I'm not going to do it. I have no idea what to make of the Bengals. I feel comfortable admitting this to you, Brian, because I had such a good NFL season. I bet the Bengals under six and a half wins this year.
I am just so in shock of what has gone on with this team. I have no idea what to make of them. I can't think. That's got to be the worst bet I've made in a very long time. Maybe Xander 6-1 to win the Zozo. I took Bengals under 6.5. That's too high. I thought it was too high.
Okay. But like, okay. Few things. One, I bet they heard to win the MVP. So that was definitely two. Like what holes do the bangles have in the game? They have an elite quarterback. They have a great running back. They have three great receivers. They have a good defense. Like what, where can you be like, ah, I don't know if they're really that good. Like, and that's why it's like, oh, the Rams are the more complete team. They have so many people. It's like,
Where is the fault of the Bengals game? They have no holes. They're just very good. I think the Bengals beating the Chiefs makes my Bills look so bad. It makes them look so bad because the Bills couldn't get a stop for their life. It was like, oh wait, a team that can actually shut down the Kansas City Chiefs offense? Yeah, the Bills did it.
And the Bills didn't do it. And the Bengals did it, you know, kind of easily towards the end. So I'm all over the Bengals. I really don't care. So come on, you gotta be on the Rams. You can't be with Joey square on the Bengals. Well, going into the year, the reason why I was low on the Bengals is I thought their weakness was their offensive line. Like I didn't think they were going to be able to protect Joe Burrow. I thought Joe Burrow was going to get hurt because the offensive line wasn't
very good and the offensive line like I wouldn't call it a strength of the team but it's held up for the most part so I don't know is the Bengals like is that the square side is that what people are I just I don't I think force like kind of a lot of points like I don't feel I don't know if I want to weigh that I think it's a fair line yeah
No, I don't know. I would just think I'm always thinking about public perception. I would say public perception after watching those two games, people are more impressed with the Bengals and they want to root for Joe Burrow and they want to root for Jamar Chase. And they're like, fuck it. I'm riding the underdog. So again, I don't care. My first instinct, Bengals under Bengals money line, like four points. I'm getting four and a half, like,
And they could easily went out, right? Like I'll take the four points. But one thing I do want to say is that I'm so happy for Odell Beckham. You know, we are from New York, we're giant fans. Like when he joined the team and they had that Sunday night game against, I think against the 49ers and they lost and it was OBJ's first game. And everyone was like, OBJ is a cancer to every team he goes to. Like he's not, he's been unbelievable. He's been so good. It's been so great to watch. I don't wish harm on anyone. Like he he's been great and I'm glad he proved the haters wrong.
Yeah. I mean, I think it's a good offense for him. I think a lot of the heat gets placed on Cooper cup and I think he's, it's a good role for him and it's, and it's probably the,
best thrower of the football that he's gotten to play with in a while, depending on how you feel about Eli Manning towards the end of his career. But yeah, I'm going to have to, I'm probably going to have some, some props. Maybe we'll, we'll talk about it a bunch. I'm sure as, as the week goes on, maybe I'll talk about it again the week of, but yeah, I got to do some digging, Brian, you know me, I got to talk to my people. I got to, I got to do some digging and I've been so focused on,
on golf so we'll see where the wind blows but my early lean is it's not going to be a side or total for me and i'm probably going to look to attack some of the props which i know people hate hearing but it's just the truth i'm not going to force everything if i don't feel it um what else anything else you want to talk about before we get out of here i joked like the venn diagram like
there were some people that came out of the woodwork and was like, I loved you and John talking about euphoria. Shout out to those like very few people. But I joked about with John, the Venn diagram for people that like betting golf and watch euphoria is already small. Like there's no way we can get away with the tanks conversation on here. Yeah, no, I mean, people don't even, I mean, we can talk about Ellie. Like I would obviously say that, but I would just say just TV, like what is a better show? Sopranos or Madness?
I've never watched one episode of Mad Men. What? Okay, then we're even. Then we're even. That's fine. That's fine. I have no right to be mad. But I'm not like anti-Mad Men. I just haven't gotten around to it. Like you're anti-Succession and Euphoria. You're like, I'm not going to watch that. Fuck that. I'd rather watch Euphoria because you kind of sold me on like the cinematography. Like I love cinematography.
So like if it's shot well and like there's some tits, like I'm there. Like if there's tits, drugs and good cinematography, like, okay, fine. There's a lot more penises than there are tits. Okay. I mean, that's fine. You know, we can, you know, we can work with that. I'm not watching with the significant others. So that's fine. I'm cool. I'm cool with it. So I'll check out your film.
No, I'm not anti-Mad Men at all. In fact, it's been on my list forever. Like during the pandemic, I watched The Wire. And so like Mad Men was what I was going to get to next. And I just kind of ran out of time. But Sopranos is the, I think Sopranos is the greatest show ever. Okay, quick. What are your goals for the upcoming golf season? Personal goals. Oh, you're talking about playing or betting? No, playing performance wise.
Well, I've had the same goal for like two and a half years, which is get back down to a zero. And I failed both years. And I'm actually going in the other direction. But I feel good about it this year. Like I kind of like...
I kind of got to a point where I was like, you're a fucking idiot for thinking that you're going to get back down to a zero without practicing. So the past couple of weeks, I've spent like two extra hours on the range. I'm feeling good about the ball striking man. Like I played on, I played on Saturday morning with Rob and Ken Nagels. And I, I,
I think I hit like 13 greens and I made, I, I shot seven over par with no putts made outside five feet and, uh, four doubles. So like, I'm starting to hit the ball really, really well. Um, again, and starting to have some confidence off the tee, being able to work at both ways. Again, I just got to figure out the putting, but so, so T to green, you're feeling good about the game. You just got to work on the flat stick and just, just hold some more putts. Yeah.
Yeah, I think what is always... My swing has stayed the same since I was 12 years old. And I've gone to so many golf academies and stuff that I really understand the fundamentals of the swing. My swing hasn't changed. But what I have lost from when I was really good in high school and as a junior was the touch and the feel around the greens. That's what goes for me. Now I hit the ball longer than...
I did. So I hypothetically should be better than I was as a junior. But the only difference is when I was a junior and I was, I was shooting like under par, it was because I was so good around the green and so good putting. And now I'm not very good at either of those things.
No, I just think, you know, classic case. A lot of people on tour like that. If Luke List can do it, I know you can do it. You're a very talented player, Andy. So, you know, and you're on your own when you're on your home course, you know, you'll be able to read those greens and play a little better. So I think it's a big season coming up for you. And I think you get the flat stick. What about you? Is it it's break 90? No, I broke 90, dude. I did it. So. So.
So when I was in Vegas with my friends, like I'm kind of like, maybe like we're all kind of close, but I, I've played the least, like I've started playing like the least, like I've been playing for the least amount of time. And I said, it might be unrealistic, but I want to break 80 this year. Like I shot an 86, my best, my best score two summers ago was a 94. So I went from a 94 to an 86. I know there's a lot of stroke. It's harder to go that, but yeah,
If I could drop eight strokes one summer with the new irons, you know, I think what's holding me back is my long iron game. And with this new iron set, I can hit my five iron 185 and I've never had that shot in the bag. So I just think that if, you know, I'm fine off the tee, I'm good with my, I can get high with the putter. Like now that I have a 180 shot in my bag and on these par fives, you know,
I'm usually just hitting my six, seven iron because I'm comfortable with it. Maybe like 160, but now that I'm getting some extra distance, I think it's really going to help my game. So I'm really looking forward to hitting my five iron and my six iron and more and having a more stock one 80 shot in my bag that I never felt like I had before. Yeah. And I watched that swing video that you posted a couple of weeks ago and
It seemed like you have gotten a lot less flat. Yeah, that's what I'm really trying to work on and really a lot more right hip rotation. And my biggest golf advice is just slow takeaway. Like look at Sanjay M, look at Colin Morikawa. If you're on the range and you're not hitting it well, slow backswing, keep the club going.
Low to the floor and everything just works. So I'm really fucking excited for this upcoming season for my golf game because I want to shoot in the 80. Like I want my average round to be 88 to 92. Like that is what I want to shoot when I go out. So, you know, they're listening. I don't want to give them bulletin board material or anything, but-
When we do the match part two, first of all, it'll be at my home course because we're going to go out to Lake Placid. I told you guys we'd go out to Lake Placid and play there. We're going to be hard to beat. No, I think we'd have to give them strokes, honestly. I think I could beat Jarek straight up, absolutely. You're obviously better than John, so I think we'd have to give them two strokes. Okay.
Okay, we'll see. Listen, I'm a letter of the law guy. I believe in the USGA handicap system, Brian. I'm a by the book guy. So we'll see how the handicaps work out and we'll go from there. But I'm excited. I'm excited to play Bethpage Bunch with you. I told you one of my goals is to break 80 at black. I feel like that's really attainable. I shot 85 there and didn't play well at all. Yeah, you missed. I mean, you did not.
But you didn't putt well. I don't know how else to say it. And I think that you could turn that around. I think you could definitely handle the distance of it. And I think it's a great course. I'm excited to play black again this summer. Hopefully I could break 100.
Ryan Kirshner, what do you got to plug this week, buddy? What's going on? Who's tapping birdie? So I'm having your best boy, Luke, tap and birdie. Oh, great choice. The best. He's great. And then I'm doing a sports gambling pod with Boston Capital Knights. That'll be out. And then I'm doing a special edition TIB with Tom for the Saudi event because like,
I just, I want to have time on the pod and I feel like it's the perfect week and the best players in the world are playing. And if we had that field on the PGA tour, we would all be very happy. So why not bet it in Saudi, even though the numbers are horrible and they kind of commit some horrible acts, but we're going to overlook that and we're just going to bet some golf. But Andy, of course, love your content. Always never miss a single episode. I'm an OG listener and you're a great friend. And I really appreciate our friendship and all the content you put out and I know everyone else does. So I appreciate the invite tonight for IGP.
Thanks, buddy. Brian, it was a pleasure, man. We'll do it again very soon. I'm going on from Riviera on your podcast, right? Perfect. Yeah. Love it. It's perfect. I'm in for you. All right, buddy. Thanks for joining me, my friend. And we'll talk soon. All right. Have a good night.
That's it for the show. Want to thank Brian Kirshner one more time for joining me. You can catch me on The Scramble tomorrow morning with Rick Gaiman on the Rick Run Good YouTube channel. Tuesday at 1130 a.m. live or on the 300 Yards to Unknown podcast feed after me and Rick recorded the
another podcast a couple weeks ago previewing the majors and that should be out later this week as well so look out for that look out for my odds checker articles as well and I wish everyone the best of luck with their bets this weekend and I will be back on this podcast feed on Sunday cheers
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