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Shifting Career Altitudes: Insights from a CPO’s Journey Leading in Nearly Every Function | Anneka Gupta (Rubrik, ex-LiveRamp)

2024/10/10
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Anneka Gupta: 本期节目主要讲述了LiveRamp从20人小公司发展到市值数十亿美元公司的历程,以及她在其中担任不同角色的经验。她分享了LiveRamp如何从3000万美元的年度经常性收入增长到2亿美元的年度经常性收入,以及如何在Acxiom收购LiveRamp后成功地将Acxiom的客户迁移到LiveRamp的产品上。她还谈到了产品管理、市场营销、招聘等方面的经验,以及如何根据不同客户群体调整产品策略。她强调了学习速度的重要性,以及在公司不同阶段如何调整自己的角色和工作重点。 她还分享了在LiveRamp的职业发展中,如何从产品经理到市场营销负责人,再到产品负责人,以及最终成为首席产品官的经历。她认为,横向发展对于职业发展非常重要,它可以帮助人们积累更广泛的经验,提升技能,为未来的纵向发展打下基础。 在产品策略方面,她认为产品的成功并非取决于技术先进性,而是清晰地表达产品解决的关键问题,并提供足够好的解决方案。她还强调了市场营销的重要性,以及如何根据不同客户群体调整产品策略。她认为,在IT和安全领域,产品的质量非常重要,而市场营销领域则更注重市场营销策略。 在人才招聘方面,她更注重候选人的学习能力和解决问题的能力,而非特定领域的经验。她认为,拥有广泛经验的人才能够更好地整合资源,推动产品成功。 最后,她分享了在Rubrik担任首席产品官的经验,以及如何根据情况灵活调整工作方式,有时会深入细节,有时会保持高层视角。她还谈到了如何培养产品经理的商业意识,以及如何开发新产品,并将其推向市场。 Brett Berson: 本期节目主要围绕Anneka Gupta在LiveRamp和Rubrik的职业发展和产品经验展开。访谈中,Brett Berson引导Anneka Gupta分享了LiveRamp的成功经验,以及她在不同职能部门的经验,包括产品、市场营销和运营。Anneka Gupta的经验为B2B科技公司员工提供了跨职能职业发展的宝贵经验,也为产品经理提供了如何提升商业意识的建议。

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How did LiveRamp achieve $30M to $200M ARR in 3 years?

LiveRamp achieved this growth by migrating Fortune 500 customers from Acxiom's product to LiveRamp's platform, focusing on digital targeting and measurement use cases. This allowed them to expand their portfolio and leverage success stories to sell to other large brands.

Why did Acxiom acquire LiveRamp instead of building a competing product?

Acxiom's organic efforts to develop a product for connecting offline data to the digital ecosystem were unsuccessful. They saw LiveRamp's technology as a superior solution and decided to acquire it to accelerate their digital transformation.

What challenges did LiveRamp face during the migration of Acxiom's customers?

LiveRamp faced challenges due to the complexity of Acxiom's custom solutions for each customer, emotional distress among Acxiom employees, and the ambitious timeline of six to nine months to migrate all customers. They had to rip out 90% of Acxiom's features and focus on the core functionality that customers valued.

What is the importance of commercial sensibility in product management?

Commercial sensibility is crucial for product managers to understand whether the product they are building will sell and why. It involves identifying the root cause of sales issues, such as product-market fit, roadmap alignment, or communication strategies, and addressing them effectively.

How does Anneka Gupta approach hiring for product leadership roles?

Anneka looks for candidates who demonstrate the ability to learn quickly, drive clarity in ambiguous situations, and handle complex stakeholders. She values diverse experiences over domain expertise and often hires people with backgrounds in sales or sales engineering to ensure they have strong commercial sensibility.

What is the significance of 'doing things that don't scale' in product development?

Doing things that don't scale is essential in the early stages of product development to achieve initial milestones. It allows teams to focus on rapid iteration, customer feedback, and problem-solving without worrying about scalability until the product gains traction.

How does Rubrik approach building new products for adjacent personas?

Rubrik focuses on identifying a killer differentiating feature that solves an urgent and important problem for the new persona. They build a minimal viable product (MVP) around this feature and use it to gain initial traction, while also showing a roadmap for future capabilities to build trust with customers.

What lessons did Anneka learn from her mistake at LiveRamp regarding growth strategy?

Anneka learned the importance of planning for future growth by identifying where new revenue will come from as the core market slows down. She emphasizes the need to have multiple growth levers in place to maintain a company's growth rate over time.

Chapters
This chapter chronicles LiveRamp's journey from a small startup to a publicly traded company. It highlights the company's initial struggles to find product-market fit, its pivot to connecting offline and online data, and its eventual acquisition by Acxiom.
  • LiveRamp's initial struggles to find product-market fit
  • Pivot to connecting offline and online data
  • Acquisition by Acxiom
  • Rapid growth after acquisition

Shownotes Transcript

Anneka Gupta is the Chief Product Officer at Rubrik, a cloud management and data security company with a US$6B market cap. Before Rubrik, Anneka spent 11 years leading various teams at LiveRamp, including product, go-to-market, and operations.

In today’s episode, we discuss:

  • How LiveRamp went from $30M to $200M ARR in 3 years

  • Anneka’s jack-of-all-trades career

  • Why specialist hires can backfire

  • When leaders should get in the weeds

  • One area every PM can improve in

  • Rubrik’s approach to building product

  • Much more

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Timestamps:

(00:00) Introduction

(02:11) Inside LiveRamp’s unique growth journey

(12:18) Anneka’s first PM role

(14:20) Leading LiveRamp’s marketing function

(16:17) Why the best product doesn’t win

(21:06) Crafting products for different personas

(24:53) Transitioning Acxiom’s customers to LiveRamp

(33:54) Why Acxiom chose to buy not build

(36:40) Anneka's leap to GM and product leader

(38:22) How 17 diverse roles shaped Anneka’s CPO approach

(40:54) The hidden career growth hack

(43:15) Where domain experience is overrated

(50:33) Mastering the art of altitude shifting

(53:54) PMs should undergo the same training as sales reps

(59:37) Strategies for selling to new personas

(62:40) Lessons from Anneka’s mistake at LiveRamp

(67:56) Who had an outsized impact on Anneka