Crossbeam is a data-driven partner ecosystem platform often described as 'LinkedIn for data.' It helps companies find overlapping opportunities with their partners by enabling them to share and analyze data collaboratively. The platform replaces the manual process of account mapping, which traditionally involves emailing spreadsheets back and forth, with a secure, automated solution.
Bob Moore validated the idea for Crossbeam by pitching it to 20-30 founders rather than traditional end users or buyers. He sought their gut reactions and asked if they would start the company themselves. This approach allowed him to expand the scope of the idea and gauge long-term conviction rather than just immediate product-market fit.
Bob Moore chose to talk to founders because he trusted their ability to understand market evolution and the durability of a business idea. Founders have empathy for multiple personas and can provide insights into long-term sustainability, which is crucial at the early stages of a startup.
Bob Moore learned that product-market fit is not static; markets can move, and products can fall out of fit. RJMetrics initially struggled but eventually found fit when the market caught up to their analytics platform. However, they lost fit again when the market shifted toward cloud-based data warehouses like Amazon Redshift, making their bundled product less relevant.
RJMetrics grew from less than $100K in its first year to $1M in ARR over three years. During its peak, it grew from $1M to $5M in ARR, but growth slowed to 10% as the market shifted toward the modern data stack, leading to churn and flatlining revenue.
RJMetrics pivoted by isolating its data pipeline technology and creating a new product called RJMetrics Pipeline, which allowed data to be sent to any destination, not just their own servers. This pivot led to the creation of Stitch Data, which was later acquired by Talend.
The 'joint jam' is a sales tactic where Crossbeam conducts demos with two companies simultaneously. This approach ensures that both companies see the value of the platform immediately by connecting their data live during the demo, bypassing the single-player mode issue and driving virality.
Crossbeam merged with Reveal because customers were frustrated by having to use two separate platforms to connect with their partners. The merger unified the network graph, eliminating the need for customers to choose between the two and allowing both companies to focus on competing with larger players in the market.
Bob Moore was surprised by the strong work ethic and talent of the Reveal team, particularly given stereotypes about French work culture. He found the Paris startup scene vibrant and plans to invest further in growing Crossbeam's Paris office.
Intellectual honesty is crucial for recognizing when market dynamics are changing and when a product is falling out of fit. Bob Moore emphasizes the need to differentiate between noise and signal, especially when metrics like churn or outbound sales start to decline, as these can indicate deeper market shifts.
Bob Moore is the co-founder and CEO at Crossbeam, a “LinkedIn for data” platform that helps companies find overlapping opportunities with their partners. Crossbeam has raised US$117M to date and recently acquired Reveal in 2024. Bob previously cofounded RJMetrics (now part of Adobe Commerce Cloud) and Stitch Data (acquired by Talend). He is also the author of Ecosystem-Led Growth.
In today’s episode, we discuss:
The unique way he evaluated and validated startup ideas
Lessons learned from falling in and out of product-market fit
How to recognize and act on market shifts that impact your business
Specific tactics for distribution and building with conviction vs. consensus
Creating scalable and durable startups
Unlocking network effects in software
Getting mergers right
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Referenced:
Adobe’s acquisition of Magento: https://techcrunch.com/2018/05/21/adobe-to-acquire-magento-for-1-6-b/)
Amazon Redshift: https://aws.amazon.com/redshift/)
Chris Merrick: https://www.linkedin.com/in/merrickchristopher/)
Crossbeam: https://www.crossbeam.com/)
Crossbeam/Reveal merger: https://www.crossbeam.com/crossbeam-and-reveal-merger-announcement/)
Ecosystem-Led Growth: https://www.robertjmoore.com/book)
Jake Stein: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jakestein/)
Nick Mehta: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nickmehta/)
Reveal: https://reveal.co/)
Rick Nucci: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ricknucci/)
RJMetrics: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RJMetrics)
Simon Bouchez: https://www.linkedin.com/in/simonbouchez/)
Stitch Data: https://www.stitchdata.com/)
Talend’s acquisition of Stitch Data: https://www.businessinsider.com/talend-acquires-stitch-2018-11)
The 4 Levels of PMF: https://pmf.firstround.com/levels)
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Where to find Bob Moore:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/robertjmoore/)
Twitter/X: https://x.com/robertjmoore)
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Where to find Brett Berson:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/brett-berson-9986094/)
Twitter/X: https://twitter.com/brettberson)
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Where to find First Round Capital:
Website: https://firstround.com/)
First Round Review: https://review.firstround.com/)
Twitter/X: https://twitter.com/firstround)
This podcast on all platforms: https://review.firstround.com/podcast)
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Timestamps:
(00:00) Intro
(02:44) Tactics for finding founder-market fit
(06:17) Speaking to founders about startup ideas
(11:16) Why founders loved Crossbeam
(19:34) How RJMetrics found market fit then lost it
(29:46) Lessons from RJMetrics’ exit
(38:06) The importance of intellectual honesty
(39:33) Building with conviction versus consensus
(42:41) Lessons from a three-time founder
(50:26) Building and distributing Crossbeam
(57:58) The “joint jam” sales tactic
(60:35) Unlocking network effects in a software business
(63:27) Why Crossbeam merged with its competitor
(72:51) Who had an outsized impact on Bob