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Do we have something to learn from conspiracy theories? (w/ Peter McIndoe)

2023/7/24
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Chris Duffy: 本期节目探讨了Peter McIndoe的"鸟不是真的"运动,该运动以荒诞的阴谋论形式,探讨了人类社会中普遍存在的"我们对他们"的思维模式。节目中,Duffy与McIndoe讨论了该运动的起源、发展以及其社会影响。Duffy指出,McIndoe的作品像一面镜子,反映了当今世界人们对信息的判断和认知的模糊性,引发了人们对信息真伪的思考。 Peter McIndoe: McIndoe解释了"鸟不是真的"运动的初衷,并非为了否定阴谋论,而是为了通过喜剧和讽刺的方式,揭示阴谋论的运作方式以及人们对信息盲目接受的现象。他分享了在全国各地巡回演讲的经历,以及如何通过荒诞的论据来质疑人们对日常现象的盲目接受。他强调了在传播信息时加入暗示("眨眼"策略),避免被误解为真正的阴谋论,并引发了不同解读。McIndoe还谈到,该运动的目标随着时间的推移而变化,从最初的个人创作,到后来对阴谋论者心理需求的探索,再到对社会现象的反思。 Peter McIndoe: McIndoe深入探讨了他在扮演"鸟不是真的"角色期间的经历和感悟。他描述了如何通过认真扮演角色来增强其作品的喜剧效果,以及在与公众互动中,如何经历了人们对该运动的多种反应,这让他更好地理解了人们的观点和情感需求。他强调了同理心的重要性,认为理解人们的情感需求比直接纠正他们的错误观念更有效。他分享了一个朋友的故事,说明单纯的争论并不能改变对方的观点,而关注对方的情感需求则更有效。他认为,帮助人们找到健康的归属感和认同感,比直接纠正他们的错误观念更有效。

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Peter McIndoo discusses his 'Birds Aren't Real' conspiracy theory, which satirizes real conspiracy theories and explores the 'us-versus-them' mentality.

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There was a time when Peter McIndoe might see you on the street and ask: have you ever seen a baby pigeon? If you said no, he’d probably grin and say, of course you haven’t, because birds are actually spy drones created by the US government – and they emerge “fully adult” from “the factory.” Peter McIndoe peddled a crazy idea – that all birds are drones created and monitored by the U.S. government. As ridiculous (and hilarious) as this sounds, Peter’s conspiracy theory that “Birds Aren’t Real” gained a huge following. In this episode, Peter discusses why he’s used the framework of a conspiracy theory to explore the "us-versus-them" mentality that is so pervasive in us humans. He also shares what he witnessed as he took his performance across the globe, and why he finds it more important than ever that we talk to each other with empathy even in the most absurd situations. For the full text transcript, visit go.ted.com/BHTranscripts)