HOT 189: What Are Passkeys? - Google Maps, Roku vs Fire TV, Pixel 9
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Coming up on hands on tech, i've got some questions that I can't wait to answer. First, we talk about google maps and what you can do when IT comes to using IT for bike route. We have some questions about home theater, and I get an opportunity to explain pakis. It's all that plus so much more coming up on hands on tech. This is twit.

Welcome, welcome. Welcome to hands on tech for the first time or if you are a returning list or well, thank you for being here. Uh, this, of course, is the show where I micus argon to take tech questions from around the world and try to help you figure out what the hacks is going on, what you need to do to get this problem solved.

Um we mostly get questions in via H O T at twitter TV. That's the email. H O T at twitter a TV. You can send us an email and we would love, love, love to hear from you.

But as is always the way we have some great questions today and occasionally do reviews of products and boxing that kind of thing. But this is once again a an episode full of great questions. Our first question this week comes in a from martagon ah who writes hello C I have a google maps question.

I am a retired cyclist. The cycling times proposed by google maps are much too fast. Is there a way to adjust the reference speed on the website or the I O S APP? I much prefer the website to the APP because IT allows me to modify the route to the one used in reality.

Is there are a good alternative to google. Thank you. A matter. Thank you. We're writing in. I did some research on this because I wanted to make sure that I wasn't missing anything, because my initial look into google maps itself was not giving me any way to change the speed at which I would most likely ride a bike. a.

In doing that research, I discovered that google maps reportedly assumes ten miles per hour on average for bikers. And that is its calculation for how long I will take you to get from place a to place b. Some people travel faster.

Some people travel slower. The average is ten miles per hour. Now there is currently no way to change that average speed, that is part of google maps.

You just have to roll with IT, if you will. And so if you want to, you make your speed different. You would have to go in and actually just kind of do the math in your head.

okay? This is on average ten miles power. I need to add x amount of time. That is based on my own ability to no travel along around.

If you are looking for a different option, there are two options that I saw pop up more than any others. Uh, one of those is a pretty popular APP called streva. Uh sta va is kind of an all purpose APP that one of its main features is biking, but IT also does sort of jogs and hiking.

Um IT involves GPS control being able to see where you're going. But he also measures performance that has that kind of involved with IT as well. So you can use straw a to plan out a route to uh, determine know where you're trying to go.

And then also you can keep track of your performance over time. You can get information about what is your average compared to what google suggests. So IT is a good way to to go about doing that.

The other APP that I saw, and that's a strawberry t com. The other APP that I saw that was getting the most attention was an apple called com T A K L M O O T. And this APP is specifi C2Biking.

IT has ready build routes. You can also plan out your routes. You can say, you know how fast you're planning on going.

IT has different kinds of biking methods. So depending on if you're doing road cycling, if you're using A A sport bike, however, IT happens to be. And that way, I think this is probably the one that I would start with a is commute at K O M O O T dot com.

And then if you don't like IT, then try straw a, as they kind of more popular, more well known option. But mata, I completely understand this idea that, look, google has this average and it's nothing like what I am actually going to do. The problem is, of course, that you know depending on the conditions, depending on the route, depending on where you're planning to, I mean, there are loads a different asier bike tire, a little bit flat vers.

Not I can imagine that I was very difficult for google engineers to figure out what should be the the time for anyone if they're using a bike. And I definitely agree that giving someone the option to um say i'd like to change that is good but that also means, marta, that now that you know that ten miles per hour is the average that they use, you can use that to do a little back of the napkin math or front of the napkin math depending this matter uh, to determine what IT would be for you. So if you know yours average speed, you can kind of adjust google suggested and predicted time a according to what you need.

Yes, as a wizard, dlink has said in the chat a math to the rescue. We love a bit of math. absolutely.

All right. Let us move on to our next question after I take a little p of this quarter. Water, maybe alright. Michael is written in, and Michael says, I have a 4KT， C, L roku TV not a super highline one, but IT works well for me.

I'm very close to viewing as it's in my home office that I can just swivel my chair and be about three feet to away from the screen. I also have the most recent amazon fire stick, which I think came out last year. I go back and forth with them, but i'm wondering if there is any difference between video and audio.

The audio system I have is a TCL sound bar with a subway for IT sounds great. It's a small room, so it's all I need there. But is there a difference between watching IT on the native roku TV versus the amazon fire T V stick? This is a really interesting question, mostly because this is a question that is very difficult to say with all absolute certain team.

And so given that it's difficult to say with all absolute certain team, i'm going to kind of give you the thoughts related to this. If you've got a name is on fire TV sticks and you've got the four k model right um then that is going to a be a really high quality experience. But there are different things that can come into play here when IT comes to, uh, watching directly on your fork TCL roku TV via the built in apps VS using this fire T V stick IT can depend on content distribution deals and IT can depend on APP support.

okay. So let's let's kind of get into this a little bit more. When you have A A, A TV smart TV that has built in apps. Those apps are obviously purpose built for that machine. The content on those apps are distributed with the knowledge of the devices on which they are running, right? And so the built in experience is going to provide the means to sort of put the the hardware through its paces, right?

You are able to kind of count on being able to watch a show and have IT be in that 4KHDR if it's if it's offered in 4KHDR and if you're using your sub wafer uh and your TCL sound bar and you are looking for the best experience in terms of sounds and everything and you want to make sure it's working up snuff again， here you can more likely count on the TV itself being able to do all of those things. However, with an external device like this, uh, fire T V stick, there are things that the fire T V stick might have that you think are worth using, like that fire T V ambient experience. That's one of the things that the fire TV has.

So there may be a reason why you're interested in using that third party, well, sort of third party option, right? And if that's the case, that's totally okay. But keep in mind that there may be some apps that run on the amazon fire T, V stick that aren't properly sending along the signal that is necessary to make the sound bar pipe out the right audio, and that I could know sort of default or dropped down the story IT could be that the television is having no trouble via the fire T, V stick, displayed content and fork, hey, but maybe the HDR or the doubly vision is not getting pipe through properly.

So on the face of IT, you're probably not going to see a difference, but there could be some compatibility issues that you come across if you're worried just in general that okay, today I switched over to the fire T V. Stick and i'm watching. And am I actually watching IT at the best quality if it's not something that's glorying ly obvious to you, Michael? And I think it's safe to just say, you know what, it's working.

It's fine. Everything's good. I like the experience that I have here, and I don't need to worry that i'm not getting the best possible thing that I can at that point.

That kind comes down to taste. Do you like the roca option? You like the built in features that that the rock u service has, the apps, the use, the user interface, the U I. Is that what you want to use? Or do you like what amazon has to offer plus the integrations that amazon might have? I don't know if you use IT with alix a, for example, or if you've got the fire TV sticks that has a wifi six support and therefore, you've got a router that has wifi six support.

And then that is one place where there would be a difference because the the stickery of plugging in might be able to load a netflix video faster and in higher streaming resolution quicker than the television that has a slower wifi card in IT, unless, of course, you have a plugged in by a either net. So there are all of these little, tiny things that come in to play when making the decision of what works best. But I am not of the opinion, unlike some people, that IT is IT is necessary and important to set things up so that you have the what am I trying to saker, how do I want to word this was under this?

If you can tell the difference, if you are not unhappy, then it's fine. Don't worry about IT. As opposed to being a sort of more more, you know, very focused on, am I getting the best possible pixel that I possibly can get is, is the best possible view that I can possibly get.

If you, for whatever the reason, want to switch between the two and it's not upsetting for you, then you're good. You know, it's it's anything that you need to worry about but wearing those considerations in mind, that's what you want to know when IT comes to using the fork TCL rogue v and the amazon fire T V. stick. All right, we've got some more questions to get to, but I do want to take a quick break.

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Wow, i'm impressed, saying I do not do that at all. I let IT all get managed for me blank as I use musical, at which is the word music. With o left at the end, I use music, collect as my music player.

Now I know how to shuffle songs within an album, but here's the question, is that possible using shufu mode to play all songs of an individual artist? Do you recommend a APP without subscription fees that can do that? So basically, what lane is saying is, look, when I because of my sorting method, if I go into music, when I go into an artist, and then I go into an album, now that folder is just a list of songs, so it's easy to tell the music player to shuffle those songs.

But if lane is looking to shuffle the songs of an artist because that folder just has sub folders underneath IT, the APP doesn't seem to be able to do that. And so the answer to your question is the same answer that I gave to someone with a similar question recently who is trying to do IT from windows focus. Android also has V L C.

V L C is available for the android platform. So what i'm going to recommend to you, deer lane, is to check out VC for android. IT is a full port of the V L C media player.

So IT works like IT does in other places, and that means that you are able to actually play through your different artists and be able to shuffle those songs. So you would create your playlist. You would be able to set IT up however you want to.

And what IT does is handle the part of reading from that media library that you've provided and then using that to populate the list that you have. So you don't need to do, because there are of two ways of doing this. There are systems where you kind of just import your music and then IT organized all of your music for you.

And IT sets IT up in the methods that is chooses with folders and sub folders and sub folders and sub folders, or there's the option of what you've done playing, which is to do with yourself, and then points and APP at IT. But if that APP doesn't have the functionality to understand the organizational method and know that within those folders are music, and you should just populate this list with that music, okay, but V L C is going to be my best bet there. But of course, one of the great things about this show is that once this is out there, people will often write in and say, oh, I heard you talking about this a topic, and here's what I use.

So I do promise, lane, that if you are having issues, or rather, if someone writes in to let me know the APP that they used to do the same thing, i'll be sure to let you know but as IT stands, yeah I think V L C is probably an option for you although uh, I have heard according to the chat uh school to access that musical let is pretty popular out there. So that's interesting. And of course, that one of the features of IT is this is just your local music library when I messed with all that stream and nonsense.

So I get that, I get that name. All right. Our next question comes in from john john rights and says I am trying to connect legacy hardware to an iphone hot spot.

More specifically a gov team monitor h five o five one wifi two point two point four giga heard only supposedly uh john rights maximized compatibility supports two point four giga hurts IT won't connect any tips or tricks to get IT to work. First of all, I want to say something here, which is that this show has taught me something interesting. I was holy and totally unaware of the number of people who use their smartphone hot spot as their network for their home blues.

My mind, I think about people who use a know, a specifically purchased little hot spot from A A career, or they get home wifi through a career. But the number of people who are attempting to set up like full networks in their home from a hot spot is mind blogging. I've received so many questions are over the time regarding hot spots.

And when I think of hot spots, I think of i've got a laptop and I mounted about and I want to connect my laptop to the internet, or I I have a phone with an unlimited data plan with a hot spot. My friend only has a gig of data. You can connect to my hot spot and keep, or my child has an ipad that's just wifi, and I connected that to that.

But wow, people use their hot spots on their phones as, like, full on networks. And that blows my mind. Anyway, thank you, john. And to the other people who have written in to tell me about that because IT is fascinating to me. So let's take a let's na talk about this.

Um you are correct, uh, john, in making the choice to first and foremost do a the option of going in and turning on maximized compatibility. So maximize compatibility is a setting in your iphone e's personal hot spot settings that tells the phone do not offer up five digger hurts ah as a wifi connectivity option, only two point four giga hurts. And that way devices that don't have access to the five giger chen or unable to access IT and IT doesn't get in the way of those devices that can only connect in that way.

Now when IT comes to this, what do we what do we need to do? What are some options? Well, I think the biggest thing you can do, and the one thing I was able to come up with for this, john, is to launch the settings up and go into cellular on in the iphone settings and then go into solution data options in secular data options.

Check to see if your iphone has a feature enabled called limit I P address tracking. This is a feature from apple that is also known as eyes cloud private ray and does some stuff in the background to kind of bounce around your your connectivity with the internet to mask your location and keep Better privacy for you. And I have found that while IT is a great feature for privacy reasons, IT is also really annoying when IT comes to a compatibility issues.

There are times where IT is responsible for something not being able to connect. So my suggestion is going in there and making sure that is tagged off while you're trying to a connect the gov. E temple monitor and then turned IT back on after that, all done outside of that.

Despite my a research, I was unable to find any other way to get an iphone hot spot to appear and connect with a device that is two point for bigger hurts only. Um everything I read suggest that you should connect just fine. So the fact that it's not connecting obviously is an issue.

And that's the one place I could think of that would be responsible for IT having trouble connecting because any of the other things that you would do with a router where maybe you ve got wp a three enabled, which is great for newer devices, but is the pain of older devices or you have A A hidden network instead of a newark that's available or you thought you turned off the five gigg hurts, but it's still on. That's all router stuff that you do that is not something that you have access to control on the iphone when you're using IT as a personal hot spot. So limit I P address tracking is the one place um I can recommend making that change if you are still having issues after this.

John, my next tip or trick is to reach out to gov because IT perhaps there's something wrong with the new car, the wifi car, the wife I chip rather in the gov. E temple monger and if that's the case, maybe we will be able to help you replace IT or they've heard about other people having issues as well and IT needs to be changed there. So yeah check with out a gov. E tep.

Monitor and know as a Michael has said in the chat on youtube, a Michael says could IT be a firm word setting um doubt that is a firm where setting but IT could be a firm where issue meaning that IT is you said it's a legacy device if it's old enough, maybe that firm where is just out of date and therefore it's not able to uh connect with a more modern hot spot even though the hot spot is set to the two point for a bigger hurts the legacy mode so or maximize compatibility mode. I would love john to hear back from you after you try these different options. So please do write back to let us know what ended up working out for you because as I said, i've discovered that and lots of people out there using uh, their iphone hot spots as their home internet network, which again just boggles the mind.

You'd have to keep the blood dinner all times, wouldn't you? And like, lots of cellular Carriers love to slow you down after a while. So maybe you just have a small network. I don't.

You know what? This is another thing. H, R, T, tweet that. Tb, if you use your phone, your smart phone as your cellular network at home, your home network right in and let me know I got questions, and i'd love to be able to share that with the listeners there.

I think it's just it's it's an interesting thing that I had not really considered as a thing to do always. Um I do have my iphone set as a back up internet connection if my internet ever goes out, but that's the extent of that. I have not gone past that.

All right. Let us go to our next question, which comes from tod todd. Right in.

Actually this is this is little different because todd wrote in to me via my technet weekly show, tnw IT twitter, that TV was the email that todd used and tadd was writing about um a couple of episodes that i've done where we have talked about. Many of you out there know what past keys are. okay.

So this is this is just for you are not along with um but taught at some questions regarding package. And it's funny because I had a friend recently he was visiting who said, so what our past keys and I had the very complex answer and I wanted to break IT down, make a little bit simpler er for todd. So todd, get ready.

Listen in but let me go here and read your question. You talked on this show, by the way, that show techniques weekly and other shows about a psi love. This says about, uh, pasi. But I still know what a psi is. I understand using names and passwords. The old way IT is text that I enter into a field on my computer or phone and that I keep on a posted note tape to my computer monitor or my case, send outlook contact, use the names of passwords I get. I know what they physically are and how to use them, but after listening to two of your shoes on package, I still know what they are, how they're used or how they're generated at sea.

Op, is that a physical key that I keep up my keyring, who generates IT? What is IT a bunch of, like, a password? And again, who generates this me or amazon where i'm shopping or other websites that I buy stuff from? Beautiful question, todd, and let's get into IT.

All right. So todd asks, first and foremost um is IT a physical key? Well, todd, no.

IT is not a physical key. There's nothing physical about IT. You can't put IT on a keyring. IT is a digital IT is is a digital credential. IT is A A string of of of characters that is stored on your device and it's usually on your phone or on your computer. IT is not anything physical.

The confusion of that comes from people being aware of the fact that there are physical keys like a um like a ube key that you plug in to authentic cate yourself and knowing that u bike is are fighting compliance and everything else is involved there. IT gets mixed up so I can understand why you would think that there is a physical key. There is not a physical key.

That is just because when we talk about this open action stuff, we talk about them kind of all together. Now, what exactly is a packy, a pass key is a series of characters that is unique to each type of log in that you do. Your device generates this unique series of characters and keeps you safe for you.

So let's say we're back in the times of of a program and you are going to a speak easy and you need to know the secret phrase okay, when you go to the speak easy for the first time, um you prove you are who you are the speaker easy says, okay, you're you and I trust you and you seem cool so you could come in and then as you're coming in your you're handed a little actually know you yourself have kind of a little secret phrase and the person on the other end that's running the speech easy has another part of that secret phrase OK and then the next time you go to the speak easy you say your secret phrase and they compare IT to theirs. And if the two line up this this metaphor is gna break a part a little bit. But essentially what we're talking about, this this credential, it's kind of a secret phrase, but it's just a secret phrase that computers understands.

So of that you want to get into the speak easy. This is what's generated at that moment. okay. And then the way that you this is where the other confusion comes in, is that people think that your pin or your fingerprint or your face is your packy, and that's not the case. In order to access the pity that has been created, you show that you are you.

And so the way that you show that you are you is by scanning your face, typing in your pen or putting down your fingerprint that says you're you you can access your packy now, but it's the paste itself that actually serves as the means of showing that you gain access as that you're cool, that you get to walk into the speak easy. So who actually generates this passing right is IT the speaker is um you know public facing is that the person at the door of the speak easy or is that you yourself? Well, when you set up an account, let's say you go to amazon and you already have an account, okay, you already have an account you logged in with your your username in your password.

You go into amazon settings and you say, I wanna set up a paki. When you do that, your device, your phone, your computer, whatever is going to create a string of characters. And the string of characters has two parts.

Okay, there is the private part that you keep in your pocket. This is the part of the device that you have your phone, your computer holds on to. And then there's the public part, let's call the public key and that gets handed to the website.

And the website says, excuse me, that public key with your account so if it's an email booze hunter three thousand and g mail dot com trying to get access to the speak, easy that public part of the key gets handed over Z X three one seven four global bubble block they hold on to that you have your private part. And here's the thing, your private key is never shared with the site, is holding under the public key. So amazon does not know your private key and never will.

Instead, what happens is that when you log in, the site says, okay, this is your email boost under three thousand A G mail t com. You're trying to get access to the speaker. IT looks at the public key, and IT says, right, based on this, you should be able to answer the following question.

And then IT gives your device sort of a riddle, and only a device that has that private key you're keeping in your pocket is able to solve this riddle. And so then the site says, okay, you properly solve the riddle. You can come in. IT uses the public part to verify with your device that has the private part that they match and that everything is good and that you are truly you.

Now when you are logging in to amazon, to google, to microsoft, to whatever is using the past, the confusion that can come up is, oh, i'm taking my finger and putting IT down on the fingerprint reader or, oh, i'm looking at IT at scanning my face. That's my password. No, you're proving to your device that you are you so that your device can actually share that information, can can chAllenge that information and make sure that you are able to log in.

So I wanted kind of step back because I do have a habit of going into metaphors. There can be a little confusing. And so let's just take a look at this from the start. We're just going to make IT simple. Let's say you have never had an amazon account before.

You go to aim zon that com, you sign up further account and you set IT up with a pasi so you give IT your user name and you say, go I didn't generate a packy using my my email addressing everything and you're doing IT from your computer. Your computer, uh, has a password manager that supports package. And in that moment, when to asks, do you, anna, set up a asking for a log in for this.

Then how can we do that? Okay, all I need to do is say yes. And your computer's password manager generates that private key that IT keeps in its pocket, gives the it's almost like taking a piece of paper with a long string characters on IT that they're going to be people were very, very knowledgeable, but this are ringing ing right now.

But i'm trying to make this simple long string characters on IT. We're ripping IT in half and never showing that private part to the other site, sticking the half that is private in the pocket, handing over the part of public to the site. Now they've got that right.

Amazon has the public part, then you leave amazon. It's been long enough so you get logged out because the cookie has expired yet. Come back, you try to log in and IT says, okay, you're telling me your email and I see that i've got this public key. You handed me that half of the paper. Let me look at this public key.

This string of characters means that you should be able to answer the following question if you have the private key in your pocket, because that's what gives you the ability to decoder ring this chAllenge you your device, uh, in this case we remember, we say we're doing on the computer, uh, gets that chAllenge, that riddle and your are your password manager looks in its pocket and says, oh yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. The answer is the blue moon at midnight and IT goes back and the website says you got IT you're in, you're you you can visit the site and you're log in. So that is a little bit about how and where the paci is generated, what passy pairing is and kind of the authentication process is involved.

And thank you for sticking with me through the prohibition metaphor to what I feel like is Better metaphor. And so your next question was how do you use IT? Well, using IT is as simple as going to the website wherever you or that the service and when you're prompted because you'll actually get prompted to um you to log in with your packy, everything should kind of happen automatically. But there may be a button that says logging with packy and depending on what site or whether what service you're using to store your pi IT can be more or less automatic if you're using a password manager like one password. One password, by the way, is the sponsor network, uh, which is the the passport manager that I use.

I get a little prompt up in the top right corner that says, use your pass key to log into this I say yes and then one password says, okay, i've got that private key in my pocket, but i'm not going to show the website the answer to the riddle unless I know that you're actually you so can you type in your for the password manager or in my case, I just have to do a fingerprint scan then he goes, okay, you're actually mike up so now I can answer this question for you. The riddle, the answer to the rid to actually get into the site. Uh so how do you use IT? You just go to a site, you log in after you set IT up and you are able to uh access IT by handing over the answer to the and then last but not least, the question is how secure is IT? Well, here's the beauty .

about parkies.

Um I had a great conversation with Steve gibson about this a one time when leo was out was hosting security in his place and Steve said there is something unique about the past key situation which is that typically when something is easier than the method that came before IT IT means that we are giving up a level of security for the convenience. And so because that's the typical case, one would expect that the ease .

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which we can log in using pakis means the pokey are less secure, right? It's too easy, so they must be less secure. That's how IT usually works.

If i'm trying to get into my house and I only have the lock is part of the door knob rather than the lock is part of their nob and the dead bolt and the two locks that I have above IT, that's less secure. My i'm able to get to the door much easier than if I had those extra locks. This is when those rare cases, Steve points out that he is both more convenient and more secure. Then your standard method and that is because .

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many a data breach out there. I'll use one great example twenty three and me um they used a the people who access twenty three me information used a technique called credential stuffing. And that just means they tried to a bunch of using names and passwords and found ones that actually worked.

And that is because people are reusing passwords. And so one site gets breached, they use that password on another site. And then the person they looking in access to all of them, right? Well, yeah, make sense.

That's what happen. And so that's where suda random passwords generated by password managers are safer, right? Because then you don't have A A password that you are we using across sites.

So people say, well, let's do that. Let's set up the random passwords. Now we look and we see that the next type of data breach is going to an insecure site or less secure site, or perhaps is a very secure site.

But theyve figured out some some method of social engineering to gain access to the site, and they steal user names and passwords. And they gain access to that because that site is holding on to your user name and your password. So now IT has that information.

The the bad actor has that information. They can get in, right? Let's think about pakis with package.

If someone were to go to the site and steal the user name and the paki that's tied to IT, they only have that piece of the paper that I ripped in half. That's the public half. They don't have the private half.

Without the private half, they're not able to access the account. They don't have the necessary bit the decoder ring to solve the riddle to actually gain access to the account, and they need that in order to gain access to the account. So pakis are inherently more secure because of that.

Another reason or more secure is because it's much harder to give away a paste then IT is to give away a password. So with that, the fishing attempts are are less, the the ability to access thos Epaces a re l ess. Without that private key, it's much harder to gain access to that account through these more standard means.

And those more standard means of of bad actors are used more frequently because they're easier then having to devote resources toward talking to someone over a period of time, gaining their trust, then getting their using name and passed or that way, much easier to go and steal a database worth of passwords and user names um because you can you know do that once and get access to a lot. So how secure basis more secure than passwords, more secure than suda random passwords and arguably more secure than photo random passwords paired with two facts and casion? Um there are some cases where packs are just used as a means of two fact radically.

But over time we're going to see more and more the use of passes as just that single mean means authentication with some other form of two factor like an old generated code if you want IT. So todd, I want to thank you so much for asking this question. Um I want to think those of you who have written in the chat that this was a good explanation the end because I did get worry there when we got lost in that metaphor but we came around to IT and I am looking forward to a hearing back from you uh taught on if you feel like you understand past is at this point folks believe IT or not that is going to bring us to the end of this episode of hands on tech.

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