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US pledges more support for Ukraine at UN meeting

2024/11/19
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Why did the US pledge more support for Ukraine at the UN meeting?

To ensure Ukraine's sovereignty, independence, and territorial control, and to support its path to joining Euro-Atlantic institutions like NATO.

What was the reaction in Europe to President Biden's approval of long-range missile use for Ukraine?

Mixed reactions: Poland saw it as a decisive move for defense, Hungary called it desperate, and Slovakia's prime minister termed it an unprecedented escalation.

How do Ukrainians feel about the US allowing the use of long-range missiles for attacks deep inside Russia?

A mixture of hope and cynicism; some see it as a potential game-changer, while others view it as a mere gesture.

What is the main goal of Brazil's G20 presidency?

To launch a global alliance to combat poverty and hunger, backed by over 80 countries.

Why did the Russian software company Pro32 offer a seven-year-old a job as head of corporate training?

The child prodigy, Sergei, has unique skills in teaching others to code, showcased on his YouTube channel, making him an exceptional candidate despite his age.

What challenges are faced by the British and Commonwealth servicemen who witnessed nuclear tests in the 1950s and 1960s?

They suffer from debilitating health conditions and are fighting for recognition and compensation, with evidence pointing to a multi-departmental cover-up by British authorities.

Why has the slender-billed curlew been declared extinct?

Hunting and land use changes, particularly the conversion of wetlands to arable crop fields in the Soviet Union, led to its decline and eventual extinction.

What was the outcome of the UN Security Council vote on a draft resolution calling for an immediate end to the war in Sudan?

Russia vetoed the resolution, leading to strong condemnation from Britain's Foreign Minister, who called it a disgrace and a blocker to peace.

What is the alleged scheme involving hospital workers in Turkey on trial?

They are accused of transferring healthy babies to neonatal units of private hospitals for unnecessary treatment to defraud the social security system and charge parents extra fees.

How did the Kremlin react to President Biden's decision to let Ukraine hit targets in Russia?

The Kremlin warned that this decision could escalate the war and undermine peace efforts.

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The US pledges more security assistance to Ukraine amidst concerns over the impact of a potential Trump administration.
  • The US ambassador to the UN announces continued support for Ukraine.
  • President Biden aims to provide security assistance before Trump's inauguration.
  • Ukraine's foreign minister believes bipartisan support will continue.
  • Trump's unpredictability and potential policy shifts raise concerns.

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This is the Global News Podcast from the BBC World Service. I'm Janette Jalil, and in the early hours of Tuesday, the 19th of November, these are our main stories. The Kremlin warns President Biden's decision to let Ukraine hit targets in Russia could escalate the war, as the UN Security Council meets to discuss what more help to give.

Brazil's President Lula opens the G20 summit with a call for countries to come together to end global hunger and poverty. Hamas officials in Gaza say they've killed 20 gang members who looted aid after the mass theft of UN trucks on Saturday.

Also in this podcast, the seven-year-old Russian child prodigy who has been offered a job as head of corporate training at this company. We sent him an offer to be head of a teaching department in our company. But unfortunately for us, according to Russian law,

It's prohibited to work in a company before you got 14. So he'll have to wait until he's 14 before he can take up the job offer. Today, Tuesday, marks 1,000 days since Russia launched its full-scale invasion of Ukraine, a milestone which the UK's Foreign Minister David Lammy emphasised at a special meeting of the UN Security Council in New York on Monday.

For a thousand days, Ukraine has courageously resisted Russians' aggression. So this is a grim milestone, and I'm here at the United Nations to say to member states, unless Putin fails, the wars of conquest will be back. Unless Putin fails, our faith in international law will never return.

Unless Putin fails, all of our borders will not be safe. But at the same time, the Kremlin has been warning that President Biden's decision to let Ukraine hit targets in Russia with long-range missiles could escalate the war. At the UN Security Council meeting, the US ambassador to the UN, Linda Thomas-Greenfield, said Washington would continue to support Ukraine. Let me be clear.

When this war ends, a sovereign, independent, democratic Ukraine will be in control of its internationally recognized territory and continue on the path to joining Euro-Atlantic institutions like NATO. Until then, and at the direction of the President, the United States will continue to surge security assistance to Ukraine, including artillery and

air defense, armored vehicles and other needed capabilities and munitions. And we will announce additional security assistance for Ukraine in the days to come. So what to make of these words of support, given that Donald Trump will soon be the U.S. president? Nedda Torfik is our U.N. correspondent in New York.

Now with the election over, President Biden is deciding that he wants to get more security assistance to Ukraine, get the money that Congress has pledged to Ukraine in before President-elect Trump gets into office. But there is a big question mark about what that means for Ukraine moving forward. You had the Ukrainian foreign minister, Andrei Sibel here. He spoke about how he thinks that both Ukraine

Both Democrats and Republicans will continue to support Ukraine. But there is a big question mark because we know the Trump administration has questioned the amount of aid and money going to Ukraine. We know that President-elect Trump has said he wants the war to end immediately.

So questions over how the Kremlin will react if they'll wait for when Donald Trump comes into office and whether the Trump administration would force Ukraine to kind of accept the situation on the battlefield. And that's perhaps why many are speculating President Biden wants Ukraine in a position of strength immediately.

And what indication have we had from Donald Trump's allies about what direction they would like to see him take once he becomes US president?

Well, I think when it comes to Donald Trump, it's certainly he is somebody that is unpredictable. He is transactional. We know that his vice president elect, J.D. Vance, has been very vocal, saying he doesn't care about Ukraine. None of that really matters because in President-elect's conversations with President Zelensky, he said that they've had a good talk.

He said that he was promising that they would be in a good position. He also says that he has a good relationship with President Putin and he's sure they're going to talk in the future. So all of it, I think, is really up in the air. What we are seeing, though, from Europe is...

real effort on the international stage, including in the UN Security Council, to send a message to the international community that their commitment to Ukraine is ironclad and that they won't abandon them.

President Biden's approval of long-range missile use for Ukraine has been met with a mixed reaction in Europe. Poland's president said it was a decisive move which would allow Ukraine to defend itself from Russian aggression. But Hungary's foreign minister has described the decision as desperate, and Slovakia's prime minister, Robert Fico, called it an unprecedented escalation of tensions.

As Prime Minister of the Slovak Republic, I express my strong disagreement with US President Joe Biden's decision to authorise the use of US long-range missiles on targets in the territory of the Russian Federation, with the clear aim to completely thwart or delay peace talks.

There has been speculation that European countries like the UK and France will follow the US lead in allowing Ukraine to use their long-range weaponry. The British Prime Minister, Keir Starmer, was asked whether he would approve the use of British storm shadow missiles to strike inside Russia. I'm not going to get into operational details because...

Putin is the only winner in that situation. But I've been really clear for a long time now, we need to double down. We need to make sure Ukraine has what is necessary for as long as necessary, because we cannot allow Putin to win this war. And just as Europeans are divided, in Ukraine itself, opinions are also mixed about the US change of heart.

Paul Adams has been speaking to people in the central Ukrainian city of Dnipro. The list of weapons systems that Ukraine has pleaded for, waited months for and finally received is long. Javelin missiles, HIMARS, tanks, F-16s all eventually came, but only after much uncertainty among Western allies, nervous about how Russia might respond.

Add to that list the Army Tactical Missile System, ATAKOMS. Now that Ukraine has received American permission to use this formidable weapon for attacks deep inside Russia, how do Ukrainians feel? Here in Dnipro, where the streets echo to the sound of generators needed to keep the lights on in the city's cafes and shops,

We found a mixture of hope and cynicism. I think it'll be a big change, said Vladislav. If we're allowed to hit the people who live there, they'll understand how we feel and then something might change.

But Elena, the wife of a serving soldier, was dismissive. This is not a helping hand, she said. It's just some sort of gesture, that's all. Among politicians and military analysts, Washington's move has received a qualified welcome. Maria Avdiva is a security expert. I

At a time when Russian forces are edging forward in the east, cities across the country are being hit with missiles and drones. Ten people died today in Odessa.

And the commitment of America's next president is still in doubt. Anything the Biden administration can do to boost Ukraine's chances of survival is welcome here. Paul Adams in Dnipro. Well, the issue of Ukraine and Donald Trump's forthcoming return to the White House has loomed over the G20 summit of the world's 20 major economies being hosted by Brazil.

President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva opened the summit in Rio de Janeiro with the launch of what he said was a global alliance to combat poverty and hunger backed by more than 80 countries. It falls to those gathered around this table to tackle the urgent task of ending this scourge that shames humanity.

For this reason, we've made the launch of a global alliance against hunger and poverty the central goal of Brazil's G20 presidency. Our correspondent, Ione Wells, who's at the G20 summit, told us more about what the Brazilian president is seeking to do. Essentially, he wants to get other countries to commit to...

putting forward initiatives, putting forward investment to try to tackle global hunger. That is something that he's made a big priority of Brazil's presidency of the G20 this year. He described in his speech when he was outlining this that he felt the world was a worse off place than it was in 2008 when the G20 leaders met for the first time. He said that partly this was due to millions and millions of people

going hungry. He said that when the world is producing so much food, that was shocking, essentially, and that he believed it was the duty of the leaders around the table in that room to try to tackle that. Now, the question really, I suppose, is how exactly is he going to pressure other countries to do this? One of the things, for example, that he has called for is a minimum tax on

on some of the world's wealthiest billionaires, for example. That is something which some countries have got on board with, but others not so much. There are certainly sort of differences of opinion ideologically in the room here, which I think makes reaching consensus on issues like that quite a challenge. And one man is dominating this summit who isn't even there, Donald Trump. That

That's right. I think certainly the absence of Donald Trump is, as you say, one of the most significant things really being discussed in the room here. And that's partly because of some of the pledges that he made during his election campaign, notably his pledge to introduce huge tariffs on international trade, to pursue a sort of America first policy around especially things like manufacturing. And I think that is particularly significant, given that he in particular said that he would want to introduce very high tariffs on China directly.

Now, there is an unanswered question again here about how other countries like the US, like the UK, might respond if that was the case. I think the concern is, particularly among, for example, some of the UK officials, is if he was to do that, would that trigger a sort of wider trade war? And that is something which I think is causing concern, well, of course, most notably among the Chinese delegation who are here at the G20. Ione Wells at the G20 summit in Brazil.

Gaza's Hamas-run Interior Ministry has said its security staff have killed more than 20 criminal gang members involved in stealing aid. This comes after UN aid workers revealed that a convoy of more than 100 trucks had been looted on Saturday. There's little way of independently verifying the ministry's claims, although medics in southern Gaza have reported receiving bodies after the operation. Here's our security correspondent, Frank Gardner.

This is one of the worst attacks on a humanitarian aid convoy since Israel launched its assault on Hamas in Gaza more than 13 months ago. On Saturday, a convoy numbering 109 trucks carrying vital food aid and other supplies was attacked by armed men soon after entering the Gaza Strip from Israel. According to UNRWA, the UN Relief and Works Agency, and the World Food Programme, at least 97 of those trucks are now missing.

With Hamas's numbers now massively depleted by Israel's ongoing military campaign to eliminate them, security in Gaza has collapsed in many places and looting has become rife. Surviving Hamas members have responded to public outcry by organising a task force to tackle the looters. This has led to a confrontation today which has reportedly left at least 20 people dead and many others injured.

Frank Gardner. Now,

Now, it's a rare sighting of a beast that is as majestic as it is terrifying. In northeastern China, footage has emerged of a Siberian tiger attacking a village. As our China specialist Kerry Allen explains, the authorities have taken drastic measures to deal with the situation.

A village called Changtai in northeast China, a region called Heilongjiang province, went into martial law because surveillance footage picked up at a farm a Siberian tiger, which is an endangered animal, running at an iron gate of a farming community. Residents panicked. One resident has been injured.

Also, some livestock have been injured as well. There is concern because this is a wild animal attacking humans. So the police have been brought in, the army have been brought in to try and stop this from happening. But it's very rare to see a Siberian tiger anyway.

And why do people in China think that this tiger has attacked this particular community? Because, as you say, they're usually very rarely seen. They're kind of hiding in the wild or roaming long distances away from human habitation. Absolutely. And there have been very, very rare cases of them attacking humans. There was a case in 2021 of a villager being attacked in Heilongjiang.

And also Russia has Siberian tigers living in the wild. There was a Russian man who was killed last year. The Siberian tigers seem to live off wild boar. So there's the thinking that it might be because wild boar are being depleted in the region. But also it could be due to logging, that they're seeking out new habitats.

Because China has invested a lot in trying to protect the Siberian tiger, which is an endangered species. Yeah, it is. In fact, there are only around between 200 and 400 in the wild. China and Russia have been working to create parks where they can monitor wild animals. In the case of China, there's a national park that covers an area of over a million square kilometres.

where there's monitoring using drones and fences. And the population that were originally kept in this park, they're only between 12 and 16. It's now increased to 70. So there's been a real emphasis in China on monitoring communities using technologies like drones to be able to allow these animals to survive in the wild.

And to repopulate naturally. And the fact that the Siberian tiger is an endangered species complicates the efforts to try to stop this particular one posing a danger to humans. Well, absolutely, because in China there are laws that if you kill or injure a protected species, you can get around 10 years imprisonment. So local farmers, if they have a gun, they're not allowed to attack it. A message is going out.

that people in these local villages, if they see tracks of a wild animal and they suspect it's a tiger, to get to safety and contact the authorities as soon as possible. Kerry Allen. Still to come... I have a letter that says the cancers or the disorders you've got do not warrant a pension. In other words, I've got the wrong cancer.

the soldiers contaminated by British nuclear tests still fighting for justice.

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You're listening to the Global News Podcast. We've been hearing about the conflicts in Ukraine and in Gaza. And another one that shows no signs of ending is a civil war in Sudan, which has unleashed a litany of horrors, including mass killings, rape and the displacement of millions of people since April last year.

The UN Security Council in New York cast their votes on a draft resolution calling for an immediate end to the war in Sudan. Russia was the sole member to veto it, provoking the strong condemnation from Britain's Foreign Minister David Lammy. One country stood in the way of the council speaking with one voice. One country is the blocker. One country is the enemy of peace.

This Russian veto is a disgrace and it shows to the world yet again Russia's true colours.

Our Africa original editor, Will Ross, has more details. Permanent members of the UN Security Council have been arguing in New York about how to stop the war in Sudan. Russia accused Britain of undermining Sudan's sovereignty and said its draft resolution had a post-colonial flavour to it. The US said Moscow was playing both sides to advance its own political objectives. The Sudanese army and the RSF appear to believe they can win, and with the start of the dry season, the violence is likely to escalate.

Saudi Arabia, Egypt and the United Arab Emirates deny taking sides, but experts following the war closely say these countries hold the key to ending it.

Well, Ross, dozens of hospital workers in Turkey have gone on trial accused of causing the deaths of at least 10 newborn babies as part of an alleged scheme to defraud the social security system. The defendants are accused of transferring sometimes healthy babies to the neonatal units of private hospitals for unnecessary or inappropriate treatment, sometimes for weeks at a time. The alleged aim was to secure a social security payment granted to private hospitals

but hospitals, on top of the fee, charged to parents. Emre Termel from the BBC's Turkish service told us more. 47 people are on trial in one of Turkey's biggest health scandals in recent years and defendants include doctors, nurses, ambulance drivers and stretcher bearers.

and they have been accused of trafficking infants to extort as much money as possible from the Turkish social security system and the families. According to almost 1,400-page indictments, with the complicity of 112 emergency operators, doctors involved presented false diagnoses to the families in distress and justified the transfer of newborns to intensive care units immediately.

in private hospitals. In Turkey, keeping children in intensive care earned the network 8,000 Turkish liras a day. The profits were shared among the gang members and their practices were motivated by pure profit. They reject the claims and some of them could be sentenced to as many as 589 years in jail if found guilty. Obviously, these accusations are below to the government's

because its health reforms in early 2000 promoted the use of private hospitals and Turkey's main opposition, Republican People's Party, called on the health minister Kemal Memesoglu to resign in light of the allegations.

In the 1950s and 1960s, tens of thousands of British and Commonwealth servicemen witnessed atomic and hydrogen bomb detonations and radioactive experiments. It led to many of them suffering from debilitating health conditions that have blighted their lives. Now there's a new BBC documentary about their experience. It's called Britain's Nuclear Bomb Scandal, Our Story. The world doesn't know.

I've been fighting this battle for 63 years. The development of nuclear weapons marched ahead. 60 seconds. It was really frightening. We thought we were going to die. John Morris was one of the men who was stationed at Christmas Island in the Pacific in 1956. He spoke to Amal Rajan about how he came to be stationed there. I was on national service there.

and you were ordered to go to wherever post they sent you. And I finished up on Christmas Island, age 18, never been out of a place called Little Eva in all my life. I didn't even know where Christmas Island was. And I was a laundry operator, washing the clothes for the...

servicemen that were building, as we were told initially, a runway for planes. I read that you lost a son, Stephen, who was just... Was he just four months old when he died? He was four months old. So sorry. When you've watched the documentary, you will see so many stories that are similar of people who've lost children, wives that have had miscarriages, but Stephen died aged four months.

I was arrested for possible murder, under caution. Three days later, they said it was a cot death. Shortly after, I got the death certificate and it was pneumonia. What would you like to see by way of compensation now? I appeal for a war pension. I could not get my blood records or my urine records. And I know that I had those taken at least five times. I was in an isolation hospital...

on Christmas Island, along with about 200 others, and I wanted to get those records so I could prove that I'd been contaminated. I have a letter that says, yes, we agree, John, you were contaminated with radiation, but the cancers or the disorders you've got do not warrant a pension. In other words, I got the wrong cancer.

Susie Boniface is a journalist who's been investigating what happened and who presents the documentary. 70 years ago, someone somewhere made a decision that these men should be used in what amounts now to, I can see, as a human experiment. And when I started reporting on this nearly 20 years ago,

The veterans all said to me, well, we were guinea pigs. And I thought, well, there's no evidence of that, really. I can understand why you think that. You've obviously been used negligently, but there was no evidence of human experimentation. But then a couple of years ago, I was passed a secret document from 1958 about the blood tests of a squadron leader who was sent into the mushroom clouds.

to sample the clouds for evidence for the scientists. And from that, we had a trail of breadcrumbs which now over the past two years, we've got to the point where there are serving officials currently in high up jobs in Whitehall who are implicated in a multi-departmental cover-up. So far, we've got the Foreign Office, the Ministry of Defence, the Atomic Weapons Establishment and the Government Legal Department all with questions to answer.

about potential crimes of misconduct in public office because officials have given sworn false testimony to multiple courts over decades that these blood tests never took place and we now have evidence that they did. Susie Boniface. The slender-billed curlew, a species of wading bird once found around the world, has now formally been declared extinct. The last irrefutable sighting of the bird was nearly three decades ago.

Dr Alex Bond is Senior Curator of Birds at the Natural History Museum here in London and co-authored the research into the fate of the curlew. Every species, of course, is unique. The Slenderbill Curlew was about a foot tall. It's a large wading bird that would breed in wetlands and winter along the coasts. And it had a fantastically long bill that curved down that helped it probe in the pools for little invertebrates to eat. A really just gorgeous bird.

And it hasn't actually been spotted for many years, I was reading. That's right. The last confirmed sighting was 1995 on the wintering grounds in Morocco. So there hasn't been a sighting now in about 30 years. What has now driven you and your colleagues to the point where you think, actually, it

We can say with pretty much eye uncertainty that actually the Slenderbill Kelly is extinct. So the chance of it existing today is smaller than the chance of you being hit by lightning during this interview. What we did was we compiled about 1,200 records, and that's sightings, photographs, and museum specimens.

going back to the mid-19th century. About two-thirds of those we were able to verify were slender-billed curlews. We can put those into a model that estimates the probability that the bird exists today. So you have something like a sighting, which is, you know, oh, I saw a slender-billed curlew out on my farm last week. Well, nobody else knows that. We can't go back and look. You might have confused it for something else, or you could have just made it up. You've got photographs, which are all right, but they're only a 2D representation. You can't interrogate them further. You have the photo...

and that's it. And then you have museum specimens, which are sort of the gold standard because you can look at it, you can hold it, you can see, ah, that's where the black is on the underside of the wing. And you can be absolutely certain. You put all these in a model with these different levels of certainty, and it estimates the probability that the bird still exists today, combined with surveys that have been done on the breeding and wintering grounds since that 1995 sighting that you mentioned. And we're

pretty sure that unfortunately they're gone. Do you understand why? It's a combination of two things. One is hunting. So they were hunted on migration. They would breed in Kazakhstan and southern Russia, migrate over the Euro mountains through Europe and winter in North Africa. And as a sort of a large wading migratory bird, they're going to be pretty tasty. You could purchase them at markets in Europe in the 19th and early 20th centuries.

By the 20th century, they were noted as being not terribly common. And then probably land use changed, conversion of wetlands to arable crop fields in the Soviet Union. And the legacies of that was probably what ultimately drove them over the brink. Am I right in saying that it's quite unusual for a bird to be declared extinct in...

in Europe? Well, Tim, you're exactly right. This is the first official bird extinction in Europe in 500 years, mainland Europe. But the important thing to remember is that in that same 500 years globally, we've lost 200 other bird species. And today there's 1,400 species that are globally threatened with extinction. So the Slenderbill Curlew may feel like a unique case for us, especially in Europe, but unfortunately it's the norm for what birds are experiencing in the world today. Dr Alex Bond talking to Tim Franks.

Let's end the podcast with the news that the Russian software company Pro32 has announced the appointment of a new head of corporate training. Sergei from St. Petersburg has built a name for himself, uploading videos that explain how to write computer software on his YouTube channel. He teaches thousands of followers how to code in multiple networks. So an impressive CV then, and an obvious choice to join Pro32's management team?

What is not usual, though, is the age of the new head of corporate training. He's just seven years old. Pro32's chief executive, Igor Mandik, told Leanna Byrne about Sergey's unique skill set. In addition to the developer skills that are absolutely unique for this age, he has an equally unique or useful skill of teaching others.

You can see how he teaches other people on his YouTube channel. It really is unbelievable. How would you imagine him working in your company?

We sent him an offer to be head of a teaching department in our company. But unfortunately for us, according to Russian law, it's prohibited to work in a company before you got 14. So we will be waiting for him to get 14 and will join our company. So he'll be a big boss in your company? Yeah.

What could some of your staff learn from someone like Sergey?

I think that's absolutely everything, but we will definitely start with developing skills, not just for our developers, but for the rest of the company. Like, for example, accountants or maybe even sales managers. Why not? Because I think that today, nowadays, it's incredibly important to understand something about developing software products.

And did you have to explain this job offer to Sergey's parents and what was their reaction? Of course we did. And his father, Kirill, was surprised. And he said that, wow, we are really happy and looking forward to Sergey will be able to join the company. And now we are looking for any possibilities how to cooperate before he gets 14.

And have you had to do negotiations about salary, how much he'll earn? Not yet. And I don't think that we should do it right now because once again, we have to wait for seven years. And I think that his salary can grow before in this time. And that is why we should maybe wait until he got 14. And then we will definitely start conversation about his salary.

Imagine having a 14-year-old boss. That was Igor Mandik talking about seven-year-old prodigy Sergei.

And that's all from us for now, but there will be a new edition of the Global News Podcast later. If you want to comment on this podcast or topics covered, you can send us an email. The address is globalpodcast at bbc.co.uk. This edition was mixed by Caroline Driscoll. The producer was Alison Davies. The editor is Karen Martin. I'm Janette Jalil. Until next time, goodbye.

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