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Yes, I have actually stayed at Airbnbs from time to time. And truth be told, I do really like them. I'm being totally honest right now that I've had great experiences with them. Yeah. I mean, you can have your look at you go get your own place, get your own pool, your own living room. You're not going to walk in an elevator. You're not going to see people when you're walking around in your undergarments. Yeah.

Yes. And if you don't understand what we're talking about, you should go online. What we're saying is you have a house with a kitchen and a bathroom and it's just for you, tailored for you. You liked your Airbnb over a hotel. Yes. And I do think I've had relatives stay nearby and sometimes it's very nice for them to do an Airbnb and have a little house and they're not underfoot. The last thing you want is your house guest to say, excuse me, um,

Where would I find a towel? That's a toughie when it's... Because they're naked? Well, it's like the 1800th time you say, on the towel rack. Yeah. Thank you. Oh, I was going to look there. People don't even think hotels sometimes just go, hey, I'll go there, I'll get an Airbnb. So you won't regret it. You know, Dana, I think we have a connection. We've been friends for a long time. And for this episode of Fly on the Wall, we've partnered with eHarmony,

which isn't us. eHarmony is a dating app to find someone you can be yourself with. We are not dating. I want to clarify that. But the connection is what you want in a dating partner. Just someone like, if you found someone that listened to this podcast, that's somewhat of a connection. And then you sort of build on that. You want someone with some common ground. Yeah. It's not, look, if you want to connect romantically over, you know, super fly or fly on the wall, yeah.

It just makes us happy. You don't want to be watching The Godfather and the person next to you goes, this movie sucks. So dumb. Yeah. You want to connect on all issues and harmonize in life. Similar sensibility, similar sense of humor, and similar sense of sense. I don't like when they watch The Godfather and they're like, everyone in this movie is so old. I'm like, they're 40.

Watch 2001 Space Odyssey. Too much of this movie is in outer space. I don't like it. When do they land? When do they land? Why is that stupid red light acting so silly? Who's friends with a robot? We know dating isn't easy. That's why we partnered with eHarmony because dating is different on eHarmony. They want you to find someone who gets you, someone you can be comfortable with.

Yeah. I mean, the whole idea is you're going to take a compatibility quiz, helps your personality come out in your profile, which makes all the profiles on eHarmony way more interesting and fun to read. So I think this is the goal of dating sites, and I think eHarmony does it great. It's just finding somebody you're compatible with.

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You're going to be listening to her in 22 seconds, depending on how long we go. You wish. It'll be way longer. Sharon Stone, you know, just... Did my first movie with the lovely Sharon Stone. She was perfectly wonderful on it. We didn't have a lot of scenes together, but we stayed in the same apartment complex. Every time I see her, I bore the shit out of her with that story. And I thought I saw her at the Oscar at a thing, and I went hunting for her. I wanted to say hi to her.

And she's always fun, upbeat, and very much a movie star and sort of kind of old school movie star. Just really pretty from basic instinct on, actually from Total Recall on.

Always followed what she did. She's very interesting to talk to. I mean, she mentioned Humphrey Bogart. You know, it was the first time we kind of dove into Humphrey Bogart, the way his suits were tailored. So she manders in a lot of different directions. She's a painter that has shows all over the world. She's been an iconic figure in American cinema. We'll talk

a lot about casino and what's the difference between acting with Joe Pesci and Robert De Niro. Oh, that's right. There is a difference. Well, you're not, if you're driving your car, you're going, boy, I'm not pulling over. I'm going to stick it out. It's great. She's charming, smart, and quite a delight. One of the few hosts that took a pee break. She says, am I allowed to take a pee break? And David said, no. And I said, no, no, no, come on. I said, you're the only host to do it, but let's do it.

And she hosted SNL too. She was such a good sport. And we talk about the comedy that we did in 1992 with Sharon Stone. We would be literally arrested now. So she was a good sport about it. But that was 1992. You know what? Someone would have come out of the arms and done a citizens cancel.

Just hold you till the cops come to cancel you. It was, it was, but she was so good in it. She said, well, anyway, listen to this podcast. It's really interesting. I enjoyed it. There she is. Hi. Long time I haven't seen you. How are you? I know. Why do you look the same and I look like I belong in an old folks home? We are getting old, aren't we? It's incredible. Sharon thought I was Nick Nolte when she jumped on. That.

That's true. I did. You do have a Nolte sort of from Prince of Tides though, or from Jesus. You need a little bit more of that shag cut into the top of your hair to be Nick Nolte. Did you know that Nick Nolte and Mickey Rourke are best friends? Well, I got to say they're both unbelievably nice men. I know both of them quite well. I worked with Nick, which was fantastic. I did a movie with Nick and Jeff Bridges. It was wonderful. And,

And then a Sam Shepard film. And then Mickey I've known forever. I went to Russia with Mickey to help raise money for a children's oncology ward. And Mickey and his best friend went out and got a Santa suit and bought presents for every kid in the ward.

And he's just so kind. Mickey's such a kind man. And so crazy. Brilliant. The wrestler he did, you know, a few years ago, not the kind of a next level type of acting. Nicholas Cage, you know, in the early days, they all wanted to be friends with Mickey. Yeah. So Nicholas Cage wanted to be friends. He'd be like,

Yeah, I'll come over. And he said that Mickey Rourke would always have him go to like the store on the way over there. Hey, could you give me some orange juice? It's funny. He's so nice. Nick is a fabulous actor too. Wow. Nicky Nolte. Yeah. No, Nick Cage. He'll make these incredible range movies. And no matter what he does, they're so fascinating.

Pig was fabulous. I don't know if you saw that. It was about... Yes, I did see it. He doesn't believe in realism. I did a movie with him once. He goes, in this next take, I'm going to do...

Daniel Day-Lewis from The Name of the Father. But the movie had nothing. It was a comedy, nothing to do with that. So he came in and he just dropped to his knees. Why? Why? He is the most eccentric, the funniest guy ever. But he's got all these cool character parts he's doing lately that are so brilliant. Just quirky movies. Yeah. Yeah.

Who was you when you were a little girl? I just, I like to do Oprah stuff. Like who were the actors or actresses that you went, holy shit, or the movies that you saw? I was obsessed with Humphrey Bogart. He was the greatest, greatest, greatest actor. And he was so cool. And his suit jackets always fit really well. Yeah.

The back of his suit jackets fit really beautifully around his waist and his bum, tailored so beautifully. Like someone knew how to like really fit his clothes. And I thought Spencer Tracy was really so, he had such a great way of expressing his tenderness in a very quiet way. He had such a,

quality where you really felt like you could trust him somehow he had something where he let you open up to the characters he played and i really like that do you know what's in uh my uh my wife and i i always i always go by movies you you will revisit and so guess guess who's coming to dinner it's become a thing that we see once a year now yeah and spencer trades if you know the

His speech at the end, you know, just cut you in half to about the love of Sidney Poitier. Sidney Poitier, by the way, what a phenomenal human being. And I had the great joy and pleasure of being friends with Sidney. And, you know, he gave me a lot of advice over the years. And what a good man. Just what a wow. Elegant, elegant man. Just to watch him walk. Elegant soul.

Yeah. The great wisdom about life and a great understanding about life. I know. I got to make him laugh once. I did these events for Cedars-Sinai Heart Stuff, and I would do my little shtick, and then he stopped me, and I was so nervous to be around him. I've seen you many times, and he gave me a compliment. So I said, I used to do you. So all I could think of was, they call me Mr. Tibbs.

which was 1968 or something. It's unbelievable in that movie with Rod Steiger. He was so... Oh, yeah. In the heat of the night. Yeah, because, you know, I had also the privilege of working with Rod Steiger earlier in my career. And, you know, he was tough. He wasn't fooling around, man. And he put you through your paces on set. I mean, he was a tough dude. And, you know, I'm sure he wasn't easy on Sidney either.

Yeah, whatever chemistry they had, I think it's one of the seminal moments in film history is when I believe Sidney Poitier slaps some white Southern guy. Yeah, he slaps the sheriff when the sheriff slaps him back. Yeah. And that was like, wow. Yeah.

Who haven't you worked with? I haven't worked with some of the, like I haven't worked with Javier Bardem, who is someone I would like to work with. I haven't worked with a lot of these new directors and I would really like to do that.

I say new, they're probably not so new, but they're new since my spree in the 90s, you know. There's a lot of great young people now that are really exciting, you know.

Who do you think? Shalif Labouf? Sorry. Shia LaBeouf. Sorry. Shia LaBeouf. I'm sorry. Great actor. I think Shia LaBeouf is actually very, very talented. Tremendous. I think he's really, really intelligent. And I think that his intelligence is probably...

a bit high for our occupation. And I think that people don't always understand. I think the opera that he did, the Shia LaBeouf opera was so brilliant. And that some of these things that he does are probably just a little over the head of some of the people that are looking at him. You know, I had the opportunity to sit next to him one night at an event and he was just, he's a brilliant human being.

Um, and I see this with some actors that people don't understand. Sometimes they're just super smart. Well, like me, but you know, with Shia LaBeouf, I think he comes out in transformers and people just think he's going to have sort of a cookie cutter situation career that they could predict. And he does something a little beyond that and beyond that every time. And people don't quite get it. And they, they're like, wait, what are you doing? And, and,

He should be allowed to do all that because it's very cool. Can I ask you both a question? What was the name of the movie where it was about his childhood and his dad was a stage dad? And that's such a heartbreaking movie. And if that is autobiographical, you could see where all his, his stuff comes from. Cause I would, I just saw a little clip of William Defoe talking about how all actors are scared. And if they're not scared, they don't give a shit.

And, frankly, I don't think that's really true. And I think that Shia LaBeouf is one of them that isn't scared. And he also isn't that he doesn't give a shit. I think that he grew up with so much terror that, like, this thing that he does now expressing the truth of his imagination is probably the most freeing thing

and lacks such severe consequences that he is able to go beyond some of the things that people who haven't been through what he's been through can ascertain and can get to, you know? Yeah. He has that quality, like you feel like he needs to do this. You know, it's medicinal. It's not like just a career. It's his vocation.

Yeah. Right. And I think for many of us who just keep going, it's because it really is our vocation. Being an artist really is our vocation. It's not just a job, you know, in the beginning I thought, Oh, you're supposed to take all of these parts because, you know, came from a very blue collar family. And I thought, well, that's what jobs are. Yeah. You're supposed to just work. I didn't really understand that we were actually allowed to,

to be our whole self as an artist. You know, that's not something that anybody talks to you about when you start becoming an actor, that you should express yourself fully, especially for a woman. They're like, shut the fuck up. It's personal. It's not like switching jobs at a department store. It's not any complaint. It's a glamorous profession to the outsiders. But when you're in something that really sucks,

and you know you're going down with the ship. Yes. And the bullets, you're out in front of the bullets. Yes. And you go to the dailies and you go, oh, this sucks. It's a horrible piece of shit. And I always knew that meant I was going to be the one selling it because all the metal parts were in an abandoned ship. And Sharon's selling this one. Yeah. And it would be called Sharon Stones whatever, like as if you were the director, the producer, the writer. Yeah. Did you...

run into a lot of macho men in the 80s that treated women not very well. There's no way. I don't know. Was it

Yeah, of course. Pickish men. No, I know. I'm kidding. But when I started working, the rules were very different. You know, people were taking their penises out in the makeup trailer and doing coke off the back of the makeup mirrors. And hookers were coming to the set and drug dealers and all of that. A lot of coke, yeah. You know, you're old enough to remember this stuff. Oh, I remember. I would hear men in a room talk about women with such contempt.

together, it kind of shocked me because I had like a rough childhood. I didn't like the way my dad treated my mom and I didn't come from that place. But yeah, there's a lot of anger toward women. It's like, whoa, whoa, where is this coming from? So you, obviously you went through the gauntlet. And a lot of the brunt of that anger, because if you're a woman that starts to get any power at all, like shh,

Shut up. You know, you started producing, co-producing production company. You were taking the reins of your career and they're like, Sharon, you're doing really well, but we still want you to shut up. Do you understand? Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And, and, and I heard really recently, like as recently as a few weeks ago, a statement about me, which was nobody likes a loud mouth broad. Yeah.

Did you just think that was about you or was it about? It was a direct. It was directly about me. Jesus. So Harvey Weinstein gave an interview or prison? And I get it. I get it. I really get it because I am a loud mouth broad and and I get it. I get it. I really do understand it.

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Um, but was, were there anyone before you that you looked to with Catherine Hepburn? Pretty tough in a way. It wouldn't take, you know, she made her own production company, which was so unheard of. Betty Davis made her own production company, which was really, really unheard of Lucy, Lucy, who I actually met and got to put on stage a couple of times early when I was doing events. Um, I got to be the wing person that got to put her on stage, um,

And so I met some really interesting people from that old guard. And, you know, it was I mean, it's it's not nice to say that these women were battle axes. It's a weird expression, but they had had all their way through. I mean, hard core battling it. And they wore that battle. You know, it wasn't it wasn't easily won anything that any of those women did.

Well, you came through, which is slightly different from I would say there as a sex symbol, whatever you want to call it. So when you were exploding, you also were a sex symbol and a woman. It was a different lane than previous. There might have been other beautiful women, but you were the first that I think played, essentially got a Golden Globe or it could have been Academy Award nomination for Basic Instinct.

And also being a very, very beautiful young woman. So were you the first in that way to explode in a movie as the co-lead with Michael Douglas? I think no one was really ready for what happened with that movie. It was tough to make that film. We had a lot, a lot of resistance. A lot of resistance in the street. A lot of resistance everywhere. I mean, resistance within...

There was just it was a hard movie to get made. It was a hard to make. It was our movie to finish. My name wasn't even, you know, on the poster. You know, I was not. It was a Michael Douglas movie. It was Michael Douglas basic instinct. And I was on the poster, but not my name, which ultimately worked out to be quite beneficial for me because people were like, who's the girl?

Right. You know, who's that girl? Jeez, she's all through that movie. Who's that girl? And did you audition? Did you have to audition a bunch? Who did you beat out? I auditioned for eight and a half months. And I was the 13th woman that they offered the film to. They didn't offer it to me right away. I had to wait for 13 other more important actresses to turn it down. And many, they really wanted Michelle Pfeiffer. They didn't want me.

But she turned it down and they kept going back to her and she kept turning it down, thankfully. And they offered it to just a ton of different people that weren't me. And I just kept hanging in there and I kept screen testing and I kept auditioning for over eight months. Wow. It's smart. You didn't say, fuck this. Now it's getting humiliating. I'm going to walk away. You just stayed, stayed, stayed. No, I did that for Casino too. I mean, they saw...

Every showgirl in Vegas, they saw tons and tons and tons of actresses. And by the time Casino came around, I was like, I am not going to line up with showgirls. And I am not going to line up with the other 3,000 actresses.

And I finally just said, no, I'm not coming in till you get down to serious casting and I'm done being yanked around in the business. I really want this part and I'm really right for it. And when you get to real casting, let me know. Wow. I mean, it just shows you because you've done Total Recall before Basic Instinct. Sure. And then, you

you know, and then you've done many other movies. So yeah, just the always auditioning in Hollywood and never really recall really big. It just, I mean, it can't compete with, I guess, basic instinct, but total recall in my recollection was huge. It was big and I was famous for a few months and then it kind of, you know what I mean? Yeah. That's what happened. It buys you six more months in the business. Yeah. It was like, okay, you did that. And then what? But it did hold enough power to,

to get me the part in Basic Instinct. - Shit. - Wow. So then here you are in your career, Basic Instinct goes crazy, and then you get a call from Lorne Michaels. - Well, I think Lorne is a wonderful person. I mean, you guys have much closer relationships with him, quite obviously, than I do, but he personally saved my life. I came to do Saturday Night Live with you guys

which I was so excited to do and scared, really scared. And I came out to do the monologue live, which is always super scary. And a bunch of people started storming the stage saying they were going to kill me during the opening monologue. And

The the police that are always in there during all that and the security that's always in there froze because they'd never seen anything like that happen. And they sort of they froze. And Lauren started screaming, what are you guys doing watching the fucking show? And Lauren started beat himself, beating up and pulling these people back from the stage.

And the stage manager looked at me and went, hold for five. And I thought he meant five minutes and he meant five seconds. And so all these people were getting beat up and handcuffed right in front of me. And we went live and I was doing this live monologue while they were handcuffing and beating up people at my feet. And if you think the monologue is scary,

To start with, try doing it while people are saying they're going to kill you and they're handcuffing them while you're doing the monologue. What were they so mad about? Yeah. Well, first of all, when you watch it on YouTube, are you watching the dress monologue or it's actually the one right after the melee? It's the melee. Okay. What were they mad about? They were mad because it was the beginning of my work as an AIDS field worker.

And as an AIDS activist, and they didn't understand, nobody understood at that time what was really happening. And they didn't know if Amphar could be trusted or if we were against gay people or what was they didn't really know. And so instead of waiting for an informative, intelligent conversation, they just decided, well, we'll just kill her.

And it was like, it was very intense. And I went through, you know, a couple of years of really tough times with that until we, people started to really understand what we were trying to do. And, um,

Gosh, I just, I was so not prepared. And in those days, as you remember, the audience wasn't up like it is now. You literally ran through the audience to make your changes. And so every time we were making a change and you're really physically changing your clothes while you're running through the audience, I was just terrified. I honestly, I blacked out for half of the show. I knew part, I mean, we did this going through the,

airport security. I'm sure you remember that. And, you know, it's all funny, but I came to for that one. I mean, I came to for like two skits. I came to. But for most of the show, I was completely blacked out with terror. I didn't even know where I was. First of all, I mean, as you mentioned this, I remember it, but I must have been getting

wig on or something but you're saying that lauren michaels actually waited in how many were there like 10 people and they must have been like secret agents they had to go in very stealthy i don't think there were or if there were three or five or something but it wasn't a huge number of people but it was it was enough that lauren was in there physically trying to contain them himself

helping and he told me about it at the party he said it was uh you know there was a sucker punch um i i went for a leg lock um i think that jen hooks had a gentleman in a headlock and then like sharon landed the monologue it was like that it was so well the monologue was great i watched it i watched it this morning and i want to apologize publicly for the

uh security check sketch where i played an indian man and we're convincing sharon her character or whatever to take her clothes off to go through the security thing rob so offensive just want it's it it's so 1992 you know it's from another era i feel very i you know i don't have as many um

I know the difference between a misdemeanor and a felony. And I think that we were all committing misdemeanors because we didn't think that there was something wrong then. We didn't have this sense. I had much bigger problems than that. You know what I mean? That was funny to me. I didn't care. I was fine being the butt of the joke. But I...

I feel like now we're in such a weird and precious time because people have spent too much time alone. People don't know how to be funny and intimate and or any of these things with each other. And everybody's so afraid that they're putting up such barriers around everything that people can't be normal with each other anymore.

It's lost all sense of reason. We need real laws so that we know what's a felony, what's a misdemeanor, and what's an offense to me. And you can say, I'm offended. No, that's against the law.

You know, we need to know. And the fact that we don't know has a lot of people who shouldn't be making up things, making them up. Well, as a comedian, you do self-censor yourself. Or if you're sitting around with friends and you're kind of laughing, thinking of stuff, you go, well, you can't say that. Or you can't say that. Or you can't do that. You just automatically get into that zone where...

where, you know, obviously for me, when I was doing the Indian character and I actually have an Indian cardiologist who's famous and whenever I do events for him, he wants me to do him. There was no malice in it. There was no sense of, it was really me rhythmically trying to get laughs. I just want to say that watching it, it is comedy needs a straight person and you were perfect in it. You were completely sincere and

And you made us funny because you're like, oh, come on, guys. Really? And then, all right, but this is the last one. So the idea that you were blacked out in that. No, she woke up for that one. Oh, you woke up for that one. I usually woke up when people start asking me to take my clothes off. You have a tendency to wake up for that. These buzzwords take off your blouse. Yeah.

Yeah, that whole show was really fun. Pearl Jam. Oh, my God. I remember.

I just started and we were looking forward to going, oh my God, Sharon Stone and Pearl Jam coming up. You imagine what a beautiful, I mean, that's a beautiful memory. Well, we all loved hanging out with you and you had a wing woman who was incredibly nice too. I'm sorry, I forget her name, probably your best friend, but she was there all week too. Excuse me? Mimi. Yeah. Who's incredibly nice. And the two of you were so charming and nice and it was just fun. Yeah.

It was a fun show for me having you out there. And I don't know, just, I thought you were great. Oh, it's really fun. I'd love to do it again. You know, Lauren always says, oh, you're welcome back anytime because I think that he wants to make it up to me that I can come on the show and no one will try to kill me. Yeah.

Um, we've had death squads before, but, um, Sharon was the first, um, I think that, uh, so we love Lauren, but you can't, Lauren is a singularity of a human being and with a gigantic brain and a gigantic heart, but we can't not do him because he's so fun to inhabit that attitude. David, did you have something to say? I was just saying that early in my, uh, um, days when I was 21, I did a

uh my first movie was sharon and she was had a part in it and she couldn't have been more stunning and i could have been more starstruck and she wasn't even a star and she was so lovely on it i was a skateboarder in it and aside two things i remember from that movie sharon was in my same apartment complex that where they put us up and when she was wrapped

A little earlier than me, she gave me all her stuff from her apartment in her fridge, which I took. And because I blew all my per diem at the strip club. And then this is in Toronto. And then the other thing I remember is when I was at the wrap party, I thirstily went to the wrap party. And I went and I had a headache before I went. So I went and bought their version of Tylenol, which is two 22s.

which are just all codeine. It's like taking four Vicodin. So I started getting feeling better at the party. Then I said, I think I'm going to go home. Then I said, I think I'm going to sprint home. And it was about three miles. Then I was going to dig a pool. And then I was just running around Toronto all night because I didn't know why I was so wired. And I didn't put together that they're

They're over-the-counter codeine, which is why I want to move back. That's a long story. I think I still have a bottle of that in my medicine cabinet. Oh, my God. It was so great. I couldn't believe it. Then I was like, oh, wait. I'm going to be the first one to get addicted. That'll be my goal.

But anyway, Sharon was lovely. And then when she came on SNL, it was very fun for me because I was just a new writer. But I thought she went up on a rocket ship and she was doing great. And she was perfectly sweet to everyone there for being that level of craziness. Like you can't even imagine that whirlwind. And then just had a real fun week with us. I went home and when I got in the airport, Mimi went to get the luggage so I could go and get in the limo.

And while she was gone, these two, there used to be a guy called the Kamikaze Paparazzi.

And he and his friend, they dove, the limo driver got out to put the bags in the back of the car and they dove in the front of the driver's seat and started screaming like they were like warriors on crack or something. And we're coming through the space to the back seat, taking pictures of me while they were screaming at the top of their lungs and

It was so crazy. And the driver had to pull them out and he started beating them up to get them out of the car. And then we got the old car and we started down the freeway and they started behind us and they kept hitting the limo with their car. They kept rear-ending us and side-swiping us. And it was so terrifying. And I got the police on the phone and the police are like, well, stop, stop the car because we don't know which...

from the airport to my house you're in. And I'm like, I'm not going to stop the car. They keep hitting me. They're hitting me. I'm terrified to stop the car because I don't know what they'll do to me.

And they're like, well, we don't know how to help you because you're moving. You're a moving target. And I'm like, I think you better get a helicopter because they're ramming the shit out of our car. That used to be legal. You know? And I think now about these young superstars like Taylor Swift and stuff. Like, how did you get from one place to the next?

I think that there's a lot of security that's never discussed because it has to be a small army and very stealthy. It has to be 24-7. But, you know, when this happened to me, the studios weren't going to pay me more money and they weren't going to pay for an army of security. And I didn't make the money to pay for it myself. Right.

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my boyfriend at the time, Bob Wagner, on The Quick and the Dead. And we were together for several years, which was very helpful. Very helpful. Oh, we had one question. We don't know. This is an actor question.

Why is Michael Douglas so good at playing guilty, horny men who are succumbing to seductive women? Fatal attraction, basic instinct, and disclosure. What is the secret sauce? Because no one looks more guilty than Michael.

But you two were great in the basic instinct. He is such a smart person. And I think he really knows what works and what will work and what won't work. And he's a fantastic producer, you know, and he's also a fantastic activist. He really has a sense of the world and how it works and what's happening and what isn't happening.

And I think he picks projects that he knows how to handle and how to make them work and how to make them sell. And I think he said to me when I came on to do this show, he said, you got the best part. The villain is the best part. Because you don't have to follow any rules at all. You can do whatever you want. You can play it the way you feel like it. And you can do anything at any time.

Because a villain doesn't have to be consistent or dependable in any way. You can just do anything at any time and you don't have to explain why you're doing it. And I think that's a really good hook on that. So when he plays the unlikable person, he just lets it go. Yeah.

Well, yeah. Well, you two were so good together in that. He's great also. I think it's Verhoeven. He's falling down. Verhoeven's a fantastic director. And he's not afraid of the perverse or the kinky or the strange. He's just really not afraid. Yeah. Basic Inc. goes some places that are definitely, at that time, or maybe even today, just interesting, psychosocial, not even sexual, but just sort of

people that are damaged or whatever you want to call it. No, like when he did RoboCop and he had the robot screen turn off, it was the first time that a movie went black to see how long an audience could sit in the theater with a black screen and have it meaningful and have the audience consume that empty space as part of their own journey. I mean, he takes a lot of risks and, you know, I think it might've been,

I don't know, but another one of his movies where he started using humans as a bullet shield and no one had done that before. And it was considered so out there now. And we look at what we see now, you know, is so nothing. Right.

We've come a long way. That's great. Don't underestimate the perversiveness of America. That's the big lesson. It's a lesson now, isn't it? Yeah. It's nothing like a human shield. I have a question for her. It absorbs the bullets. I have a question too.

You go ahead. Okay, well, the quick one is Margot Robbie is sort of in your situation now. Would Barbie be something that you would have been interested in? Is that up your alley, that kind of movie? I went to the studio to try to make Barbie in the 90s. Bingo. With another producer, a friend of mine, and I had...

Then I guess he was the CEO of Mattel on our side. And I literally we got thrown out of the studio. They were like, why would you take this American icon and want to destroy it? Like, what is wrong with you? I mean, I got a lecture and an escort to the door.

Do you run into them today and just go, guys, I told you. Oh, they're not there anymore. Oh, okay. But I think, you know, if they're still alive, they probably think, I hate her. Was it going to be? What kind of angle would you take on a Barbie back then? I wouldn't even think of what to do with, know what to do. Well, I mean, we had it so that the opening scene would be Barbie,

pulling up to Mattel in her Barbie car and then Secret Service come out and their feet are as big as the car and they escort her into Mattel and everybody just falls aside because she's the most important member of Mattel.

And how all the big people are chasing her around and kissing her ass because she's the queen of Mattel. And about the power of being Barbie. And what Barbie could do in the world because she was so powerful. Wow. Well, you were ahead of your time. No, they didn't think Barbie should be powerful. The men were behind the times then. Keep Barbie in the dream car or whatever. Yeah, in her Barbie dream car.

Keep her quiet. And Ken. So the quick and the quick and the dead, which is a movie. I love Westerns. Gene Hackman, Russell Crowe before he was Russell Crowe. You were a producer on the movie. I know you fought for him. And then Leonardo DiCaprio as a fetus. He's like 15 or something. 17. 17. 18 on our movies.

And didn't you insist on him or pay his salary? I don't know. I read stuff that, um, about your relationship with those two actors, Russell Crowe, Leonardo DiCaprio. I really believed in, but I really did believe in both of them. I felt that both of them were sort of teed up to become major stars. I, I thought they were both very unusually talented and in specific ways. And, um, you know, um,

There's a pattern in filmmaking, right? And I thought that Russell was like the Richard Burton of his time, that he was, you know, that actor who could play, you know, the captain of a ship. You know, he had that heavy masculinity and that was sort of fading out in that period when we had

Oh, I think there was a name for it then. It was different. It was like men were kind of, I don't know, there was a name for it where men could be. Metrosexuals? Oh, that's what it was. Metrosexual. And Russell was certainly not metrosexual. Russell was very, you know, old school man. And I felt there was a place for that in our industry. I felt this way about Ken Watanabe.

That is a big place for him in film. And, you know, I just I see different actors and I think, oh, you've really got it. I just met a guy named Aaron Pierre, and I feel certain that this guy, Aaron Pierre, is going to be a gigantic star. Just gigantic. I think he's just going to explode in stardom.

What is his type? What does he look like? Is he a Russell Crowe or is he a... He just has played Malcolm X in the upcoming limited series about Malcolm X. Oh, okay. And he's a big, kind of strong-looking...

Has just a beautiful elocution. He's got a certain way about him. He carries something that just, to me, screams stardom. I think he's really going to be just a huge star. Huge. Okay.

We will have you back on our podcast in a year. We'll track it. And we're going to talk all about that guy. One thing about Russell Crowe I just wanted to say is because I do voices, he has a next level deep voice and a big deep voice

and one of my favorite movies I don't know if you guys have seen it master and commander that Peter we're did with Russell Crowe playing the commander twice on numbers twice hot guns and it's really hard to do him because he's like Obama it's a it's a totally but and Leonardo just obviously he's just aged into this incredible actor and he looks so so young and the quick and the dead and he was

But he was so infested and he was so able to access his vulnerability. And the other kids that came in were really good. I mean, Matt Damon came in for the part and he was so good, so good.

But Leo came in and he cried when his father rejected him, when Gene Hackman rejected him. Leo was the only one that cried and wanted his dad, wanted his dad to notice him and care about him and love.

And he was trying so hard to be enough of a man that his father would pay attention to him, which was really the crux of the character and the crux of the development. And when he was going to die and couldn't get it, he just, you know, he was crying for his father's attention and affection. And it was so profoundly moving and so brave for a 17-year-old kid to

to come in on an audition and let that out. And I just thought, that kid has a lot going on and he is going a long ways because not any other person came in and we saw everybody in the town. Not anybody else that came in was willing to just rip it open like that. And that's why I stood up for him because I thought, you know, you have a kind of guts in your vulnerability that is what makes a star.

And that combination of intense courage with your own vulnerability is so rare. And he just has it in spades. I mean, that's why you see him in the Wolf of Wall Street and he just lets it rip, you know, and he's not embarrassed or ashamed or pulling his punches, you know, and that's absolutely fascinating. Yeah. He's a good movie star, you know?

And you were saying Sidney Poitier earlier. I was wondering, I'm sure there are, but it doesn't seem like there's as many of those old school, elegant, great looking, cool movie stars like there used to be. There probably is. But I think when you grow up with a certain onesie, you look up to you. It feels like it's thinning a bit.

Yeah, I think this kid, he doesn't look like a kid, but he is young. This Aaron Pierre has that. I think he has that elegance. And you're right, it is so rare because for some reason, young people seem to have this kind of disregard and disrespect for the way they appear in public and the way they treat the press.

As though the press isn't your sole liaison to the public. It's like, get a clue. If they don't want to shoot you and they don't want to support you and they don't want to believe in your films, you should probably leave town.

I love the idea of leaving town with all our connectivity. Can we talk about casino for a second? Cause I, I was talking to my wife about that. She goes, Oh my God, Sharon was so brilliant in that movie. Cause I guess it's the actress meets the part meets the director meets De Niro meets Pesci.

And that was magic in that role. It was my dream. My whole dream was to work with Robert De Niro. My acting teacher is like, what do you really want out of this? And I'm like, I work opposite Robert De Niro and hold my own. I mean, that was the whole sentence. That was the whole thing. That's really all I ever wanted. And

I got it. I didn't expect I was going to get to work with Martin Scorsese, you know, Jesus, who does, you know, and to have had this astonishing opportunity and to get to

Do it. You know, I wasn't going to leave anything on the floor. You didn't. You did not. What's De Niro like? Like you're in a scene with him between takes. Just just casual. I just love to know, like, does he change it a lot? Does he surprise you? What's it like? You're just doing a scene with De Niro. He doesn't mess around on set. He doesn't small talk. He doesn't hang out. He doesn't have anything else to talk to you about other than the work of the day. Nothing. Nothing.

Absolutely nothing else. And he might give me a suggestion, but he doesn't tell me how to do my job. He might say, you know, in the middle of that thing you're doing, could you just give me a glance here at some point? Or do you need something here from me? Or is this what you, are you wanting this?

You know, he's just... He's very, very connected to the work, the outcome, what you're doing. He's just absolutely the most dedicated, devoted. Watching him work, I learned more than I learned watching any other actor. And I got to work with, like, George C. Scott. I mean, I worked with some really cool actors. You know what I mean? But De Niro is...

You know, he's just like his own thing, man. You know, he's not a chitchatter. He's just really is serious. And that's the reason I think he's so good. And what about Pesci? Joe Pesci really fought for me. You know, he fought for me to get the part. He believed in me, stood up for me. He's really good to me. Um,

I really appreciate him so much. He was really supportive of me. He absolutely believed in me in a way that I don't think anybody else really did. And, you know, we had rough scenes to shoot, you know, like because our relationship was rough sex and dirty and secret. And I felt completely safe with him, although...

You know, when he's in that character, he's scary as all, you know, he's, you know, he's all in. And it's good to work with someone that's all in. But, you know, Joey played in that film just a, you know, really, you know,

I don't know how to explain it, but like loose, ready to go, ready to kill somebody at any second. And, you know, I'm playing someone who's choking me in bed and I'm trying to be loose with all this, you know. Right. You know, it was intense and great intense. But, you know, you got to belly up to the bar when you go to work with Jimmy Woods and Joe Pesci and Robert De Niro.

There's no fucking around. You better be good. You got to hold your own. You better be present. And I think that those people often scare actresses. I've watched many, many other actresses work. And while they're sometimes quite good, often they seem a bit defended. And I think that you have to really not be separate from those guys.

You have to be willing to jump in the pool with them and know that they're not going to save you if you're drowning.

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They're always delicious. I actually named a character in a movie I did called Master of Disguise. The lead character's name is pistachio. That's how much I love pistachios. Yeah. Well, wonderful pistachios have literally come out of their shells. It's the same taste. It's delicious, but...

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your autobiography, which got rave reviews. Do you want to talk to it a little bit? And then also your art. And right now you're in Berlin in a gallery, I believe. Your art has been well-received by critics. You've been interviewed in New York by Jerry Stass or whatever. Jerry Stass.

How did that happen? And what are you, um, they're big, beautiful, colorful abstracts. Are they an acrylic or oil or a combo? And do you have someone helping you, uh,

bring in canvases and stretch them and gesso them. And there's an industrial part of having a studio. And how did you work toward being able to do that? Or you'd done some art before, but I'm just curious. Yeah, you know, I studied all this in university where, you know, if you studied art, you had to do everything from jewelry making to sculpting to...

oils, watercolors, acrylic, you had to do everything, everything, everything. So I know how to do all that, but there's certain aspects of it I just don't want to do anymore. So I get my canvases stretched for me and I get them built elsewhere.

Because it's just, it's too much for me at this point. But I do have a studio manager who is really cool named Zach and he's terrific and he helps me a lot. And, but...

And basically, I mean, painting is sort of a one man band and you've got to just it takes time. It takes time and dedication and devotion. And it's an on the job learning process. And the more you paint, the better you get. And the more you understand and the more you study, the more you understand how to paint.

mix colors and the more you understand how color works i'm fascinated by color and the more you understand balance and story and execution and the use of all the different possible tools that you can use it's like anything the more you put the better you get

And do you work on multiple canvases at a time or do you kind of one at a time? Yes, I do. I have, well, I work on campus till I feel that it's at the point where I'm as far as I can go.

And sometimes I complete a canvas and sometimes I think that's the underpainting. And I need to just put that in the other room for now until I understand where I'm going from here. Yeah. And that totally makes sense. Right. Cause you guys probably write like that, right? Yeah. And Dana paints also. Well, I pay, I, yeah, but I'm not, not like you, but I,

I was surprised how much I loved it and I have no ability at all. I would just do doodles and little characters on yellow pads, right? And then I saw Basquiat and I go, oh, well, I'll do my version of that. So I do them on heavy paper, 30 by 32. And then sometimes I blow them up and they're just acrylic so I can go fast. I don't want to think too much. And I often overpaint them. I think overpainting is smart.

And good. I overpaint constantly. I think you don't want to waste anything. And when you know it's not working, overpaint it or overpaint part of it, which is what I'm coming to understand now is that when you do something and you think, oh, that's just awful. Don't just overpaint the whole thing right away. Like give yourself a minute to really step back from it and find one good thing in it and start overpainting, but leave the good thing.

And before you overpaint it, make sure you turn it every single direction. Turn it upside down. Turn it sideways. Look at it from every direction. Because you don't know where your inspiration is coming from. And I agree. I think Basquiat is just an unbelievable talent. And he also showed us another way to be. Another way to express ourselves. Another opportunity.

You'd look at it and you go, why is it affecting me so much? When you go to an art museum and you're going around the corner, you see a big Basquiat. You can't dismiss it. There's something so fluid about it, so casual, this feeling of just being connected to the canvas. I don't know. It's just talent, I guess. But he's fun. Who else do you like?

Well, you know, with this Rothko show that has been going on, and then if you follow the show, then you start getting your daily Rothko. And you, it's just, you look at these colors and you think the same thing. Why is this having such a tremendous impact on me? And how did he do it and why? And what does it mean? And it just, it just evokes so much. And, you know, I feel this way. I'm a huge Gerard Richter fan.

And I feel, I just love these paintings and the impact and movement of these paintings. And, you know, Helen Frankenthal, the color, the color aspect of what she did was so moving and interesting. And the way she did it was all her own. And I just, you know, I, I just, I don't know. I'm a little bit of an artaholic. I've spent years,

most of my life on the road in museums on my day off. And that's been a fantastic education. Well, it's cool. You've been, it is, it's a little bit like any kind of personal pursuit, like time really flies if you're really focused on a painting, whether you're a novice or great. It's a meditation and you've been really well received. So,

I I'm going to make a prediction about you, whether you want it or not. But some there's going to be some role or live streaming Apple show or something you're going to be in and be brilliant. If you feel like you want that, because I can just tell talking to you.

put the camera on this woman because you have all this energy and all this emotion. It's all right there. So that's my prediction. You have yours, David, would you like to make a prediction? I think it was, it's wonderful talking to Sharon. She's so articulate and so exactly as I remember. And she's got such a voice that,

is very unique and well-known and a voice has never changed with people. It's always, you know, you get older and people go on their lives and it's always, there's something interesting about somebody's voice. It's like a fingerprint. I like hearing Sharon's voice. I like hearing all she has to say today. And a very cool of her to,

to talk to us. Thank you for coming on, Sharon. Really, really enjoyed it. I was so excited that you asked me to come on. First, because I haven't seen either one of you in quite a while and it's just good to see you both. And it's good to see you both well and good. And it's good to see that, you know, we're all still standing. You know, we devoted ourselves and agreed to do this and, and,

you know, it's, it's hard to hold on. You have to really want it. It has to be everything to you to hold on. And, and it's, it's really nice to see that we're all still surviving together. So I just really appreciate that you took your time and invited me into your world. Thank you. Thank you, Sharon. All right, Sharon. We'll talk to you soon and thank you and have a great day.

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