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All right, gentlemen, coming to main stage next. This is Bunny. Get up there. She's got a tornado of titties coming your way. Get those dollar bills ready. She's got an ass that shakes like Michael J. Fox. So get up there and throw, throw, throw them dollars. Dude, that is fucking iconic. Like when you sing Save Me. You said it best. And I've used your quote a thousand times. Thank you. We were talking to somebody one day and somehow, I don't know, I was like,
I want my show to feel like a back road, Southern tent revival. And Bunny, you said this is the closest thing to church some of these people will ever go to. Yeah. And ever since then, I was like, that's what I want. I want this to be a spiritual experience. Oh, it is. Like I want people to, the analogy I used earlier, which is such a good one to use again. I want it to feel like we all just had a big cry together.
And I want everybody to leave like in that euphoric high of letting that shit go. And I want them to go home and crash. Like what a fucking night. You know what I mean? Like that's what I want, you know? And that's what we're going for. I want it to be, I want it to feel personal.
Save Me just hit, what, a billion views or something like that? Yeah. What was the thing? No, the whole channel. Okay. The whole channel is at... You have so many fucking stats, I can't keep up with them. They're just mind-blowing. It's crazy. The whole YouTube channel is officially at 1,167,000,000 views. It's crazy.
How does that make you feel? I want to cry. It's insane. It's just mind-blowing. If there's anybody in this business that deserves what you're getting, it's you. Because your heart is so pure, Daddy. YouTube started for me. You know that was my starting spot, right? Yeah, with the 10-minute freestyle, right? Yeah. But I mean, even before that, there was nowhere to release music. So we would just put audio. Before SoundCloud, YouTube was our SoundCloud. So I would...
I'd just upload a song with a picture on YouTube. 12 years ago, I told you. Fucking song logs. He's out of there. I would upload songs to YouTube. So to watch the YouTube channel grow
There's been nothing short of amazing for me. Yeah, it's insane. It's been really, really fun. Not just YouTube though, but like, you know, Spotify fucking charting records, you know, say what did save me yet? Save me got something or it's going to get gold or something like that. It's like, I think, I think,
and i don't want to speak on it too soon but i think save me is going to be a goal it should be officially a gold record so yeah that'll be my first gold record did you ever think that i heard and this is a rumor because i don't know anything about this because i never thought i'd be getting them i heard there's two other songs that are close to which ones i think same surprisingly
I remember when you wrote that. You wrote that in the hospital when your dad was... Yeah, I wrote it right there when dad was dying. And Fall in the Fall, I think, are really close. So it's cool. I love it because I get to share in all of these in their own intimate way. The same asshole song because of where I was at when I wrote it.
The Save Me song because of the effect it's had on so many people. D-Ray being a part of the song. We love D-Ray. Fall in the fall struggle being able to get a plaque. Like to me, it's just if that actually happens the way it could, that's going to be like what you couldn't have scripted a better storybook for me personally. There's like, how would you want your first three gold records to be? I mean, I would like I would have wrote that down 10 years ago. Like there was something like this. That'd be great. You know, did you ever imagine this when you first started rapping and to do it with no big features? Yeah, yeah.
Like that means a lot. Like a lot of people's first girl record is like featuring some other artist. That's like a big name. Yeah. Like a named artist that they didn't even know. They just got on their song, you know, like it's so cool that my first ones will be with the homies. Yeah. I think that's what, you know, I, as much as I talk shit about Nashville, it's, I have to say that what's cool to watch with you is like,
All of the people you've grown up with. Everybody. Bravo Gator. Chatty Bobby's back in the picture. Lex Top Dollar. Struggle. Fucking, you know, all the boys. Alexander King. Alexander King. Everybody. D-Ray. Like, just everybody. You guys have all...
grown up together and just done this together. Yeah. And stuck it out and stick by each other and support what everybody does. You know, so to me, it's just, I don't know, man, it's a special thing. Yeah. It's rare. It's very cool. So rare to, it is such a rare thing. And to watch the new generation of like the Ryan up church, not the new, I mean, but I mean, even though he's, he's does bigger than me number wise, like him being younger and watching his growth and,
You're like an OG. Yeah. That's something else that's weird to me to have been here long enough to be like, when I'm watching. I'm an OG in my city. When I'm watching Upchurch sign Chase. Yeah. And I'm like, holy shit. Like, I'm seeing generations of this now. It's a cycle. Yeah. Like, I'm actually like.
You know what I mean? Yeah. It's like watching your daughter turn 13. Like us watching Bailey turn 13. You're like, holy shit. Like, no, stop. You know what I mean? Like it's insane. The cycle of it. So it's like the same thing musically, like to watch Bobby sign Savannah. Like for me, that's insane. And to fucking crush it, knock it out the park like that. I mean, completely goddamn hit a grand slam. We were talking earlier today and it was just like, she's done this. They have done this all. And,
less than like seven months. Oh yeah, no, for sure. It's been well less than a year. Fucking wild. For sure. It's crazy. No, just figured it out and went fucking for it. Balls to the wall. But to me, it's just like, that's the evolution. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? To watch that kind of shit happen is like, it's a dream scenario growing up here and everybody knowing each other. And it's just a little more special. You know, it's like, I tell people all the time that anytime struggle wins, it's
I feel different because I remember babysitting Brianna and little wheel. Right. I remember when innocence was born. She just turned 16. That's crazy. Like I remember that like vividly, you know what I mean? Like I remember Chula being pregnant with innocence. I remember courtesy me holding her as a baby. You know what I'm saying? Like I remember, uh,
all of these so like when that happens it's like man I fucking like fuck everything else I know the kids right you know what I'm saying like this is cool but you also want them to win for the kids for the kids exactly it's like dude I know the kids it's like you know like
I think of Bobby's mother when I think of Bobby. I think about how close Bobby was to his father. I remember the place in the house that his father would nap at. You know what I'm saying? Like, I remember their house as a kid growing up. Like, I could paint that house in a picture right now for you. So to see Bobby win is just, like, fucking crazy for me. You know what I'm saying? It's like, dude, like, I really...
Like when I see Don win, Don Green win, like I know his mother. Like I shot myself in the foot and she was a nurse and she helped fucking fix my foot. Like,
I've known. Can we get a little backstory on why you shot yourself in the foot? Well, it's quite a thing. Cause I'm sure everybody's going to want to know now. They're going to be like, wait, what? I had a three 57 and I used to put it in the back of my jeans. Right. And one day it fell down the back of my jeans and on the way down the hammer, uh,
First of all, if you guys have ever seen how my husband wears his jeans, why in the fuck would you put a loaded gun back there? He holds them up with like trash bags and shit. Like it's the craziest shit. Take me out of Antioch. Who told you that was okay?
I'm very, very, very seldom guided back then. But I put it in the hammer cocked and when it hit the ground, it went off and it blew through the back of my ankle. I got a big scar now. Oh my God. It ended up real bad. I couldn't walk right for years. That's one of the reasons I'm slew footed anyways, but I'm double slew footed on my left side of it.
I'm going to knock your ankle off. But anyways, his mother was there. You know what I'm saying? Like, sidetrack me from my story. But you, this is, you know, I just, I don't know. I just look at all this and I just feel it. It's such a, it's just way more personal. You know, I've watched all of D-Ray's kids grow up. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, he's got two kids in college and one on the way. And it's like,
I remember when they were all... One on the way to college. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We got two in college and one on the way. Yeah, yeah. I was just clarifying because some people would be like, oh, he's got one on the way. No, yeah, good point. Yeah, we came off on him one on the way to college. Well, you never know what D-Ray does. Him and Tara might be over there going for it. 20 years they've been banging each other's backs out. I would... But D-Ray is... You know, it's like you just look at it. Just all of it just feels different when you sit down with everybody because...
It's not like I met your mother recently and like her. You know what I mean? I've known your mother a long fucking time. You know what I mean? It just feels different when you're talking to those kind of people and when you're doing business with those kind of people. It's family. Being able to work together. Lex is another one. Me and Gracie talked about it last time she did our video shoot. Gracie May, I was like, I think I met her like her third birthday or something like that. Second birth, fourth, third, third, fourth. One of them really early, like first memory birthday parties for her.
Gracie's 20 something now. You know what I mean? It's like, you just got her own house, fucking doing makeup and shit. Like it's crazy. Making music, writing songs, producing records. Yeah. And you're just like, fucking, there's no fucking way.
You know what I mean? Same thing when I see Brianna. Same thing when I see fucking. Brianna has a beautiful voice. I think Brianna's got one of the best voices in town. She does. And that's like all country artists. It's different. It's classic. It's really. It's haunting. It makes you feel something. It's back to how music makes you feel. You know what I'm saying? Chachi agrees.
It's back to how music makes you feel. You know what I mean? But it's just, Gracie has an incredible, Gracie's. She does. Gracie can write and play guitar. Gracie's one of the best guitarists I've ever seen. That's Alexander King's daughter, for everybody asking. Yep, yep, yep, yep. Him and Fifi. But it's just, I don't know, it's just been cool to watch all that. You know, the Studebakers. You've known them. You've seen them grow up now. Dude, Fifi sent me a picture of fucking. So,
No, the other one. Xander. Xander. Why did I, could I not remember the name? The other one. The other one. The other one. The bigger one. The big Studebaker. And he's like a grown ass man. Yeah, for sure. I'm just like, what the fuck happened? When I talked to him the last time, he's like, what's up, honk? I'm like, golly, son, you're next, right? I remember,
- I remember when you were just a little fluffy little squish running around, you know? - No, he's a little skinny fella like, "What's up, pops?" - Yeah, it's just so crazy. It's so weird. - His nuts drop. Yeah, so I don't know, it's just cool, man. It's really cool and I'm glad you see it 'cause it's something I'm proud of. - No, I think it's really cool. And that's one thing that I can say that sucks about my hometown is people that you grow up with, you know, besides the people that are in my circle that I've handpicked myself,
don't support you right they literally don't get the better you do the more they hate you know and that's something that nashville you guys just come around each other and just love each other and appreciate that somebody's doing something got off the music like chatty quit music for years you know squints yeah just went on to raise his family you know got away from the music game but
Squints is always the first person to congratulate me via text every time something cool happens. You can just set your alarm to it. If I post something like, we did a billion views on YouTube. Squints, proud of you, Bubba. Quick, quick money. Yeah. Oh yeah, he hits me up on Facebook all the time. You know what I mean? Lili. Yeah, love Lili. All of them are just big ass.
for, you know what I'm saying? Lili's going to be on the new album. Yeah, for sure. Putting Lili on there. Stoner's producing that one. You want to talk about going back to your roots, baby? Stone, baby, stone. I just talked to him today. We're going to try to cut verses Friday. I love Stoner. I love the vibe that you guys have. That's another one, dude. I mean, his...
oldest son was in a stroller when I met them. Yeah. You know, and he's, I talk to his wife all the time. Yeah, they'll do their sweethearts. You know what I mean? Like just watching him evolve. His wife was one of the women that never judged me. Like even from the gate. She's such a sweet woman. Like, and I've always loved that about her and just, I remembered that, you know, because when I came to Nashville, everybody was like, oh, the whores in town. Yeah, no, no. Lauren and Thomas are,
salt of the earth. Yeah. And they're from good people. Yeah. I mean, you know, I've known them over a decade by a landslide over a decade. I mean, you know, Thomas's dad's just a sweetheart. You know, Lauren's dad's a great guy. Like I've met their whole family. She seems like a really good one. Oh dude, they're just some really good stockman. They're high school sweethearts. Yeah. Great story. That's crazy. Yeah. How do they do it? I need the secrets. I want everybody's secrets. Yeah. They're cool as shit. They're, they're, they're like us though. They get each other. Speaking of marriage,
We're getting ready to celebrate our fifth anniversary. Big five on the merry books. Going into six years. Yeah, you said you was only going to be with me five. No, we planned on three. No, that's what you planned on, bitch. I said five from day one. What are you talking about?
I had to up your ante because you were like, I don't know, three years sounds good. You sat me down the other day and had like an emergency press conference with me to tell me that this is the longest relationship you've ever been in. I'm starting to get cold feet, you know? Like I'm officially in uncharted territory. I'm weird. I don't know what to do here. That's what I was trying to say. Need to let you know, this is now out of my wheelhouse. I was like, what? I was so confused. I was like,
I don't know if this is a good thing or a bad thing. No, it's good because I'm communicating with you. But, you know, I'm a player from the Himalayas. The anti-hockey just came out. I heard a helicopter. It was actually like the police. Yeah. I was instantly. Yeah, no, you know, I just like to check in and see where your head's at. I want to make sure you're still in it because if you're not, I got to figure shit out, you know. We got to figure shit. We got to figure out what our next move is going to be.
Because if you're not, I've got to figure shit out. You ain't got nothing to figure out. How about that? It's been figured out. I just love you so much. I love you so much. You're my best friend. So I have some questions I'm going to ask you. People have been wanting to know a couple things. I did this with Sav too. I'm always down to answer some questions. No, no, no. Actually, technically we only have seven. I would like to do 15.
Okay. I'd like to answer some questions. This is why you never get invited on because you always want me to fucking stay longer. Do y'all hear how she just admitted that I never get invited on? Can I have this clip, Mimi? Can I use this one for my TikTok? No, this ain't no hold on. No, no, no. This ain't no hold on. My husband is a podcast.
podcast ho he fucking spreads his seed everywhere we call that the back pedal that right there right there i ain't seen you swim this summer but i bet you're doing a lot of backstroking i tell you listen all right buddy my husband goes on everybody and anybody if you want him on your podcast just hit him up he'll go on it no questions asked y'all see it boy she's swimming in a back
Fucker. Listen, listen, I don't invite you on because I feel like I'm small chump change compared to all the ones you go on now. What was the front half of that again? You don't do what? You're always invited on. You are always invited on, but you always try to keep me on like way longer. Yeah. All right. Back to the questions. Back to the questions.
Do you feel like you... I cry laughing. Do you feel like you make Jelly insecure based off of your explicit content? I've been getting this a lot lately because we are TikTok famous now. We're TikTokers. Thanks to your wife because I put in a lot of work over there. Chachi deserves a bed. If he's going to be in that corner, you need to get him.
I just looked over and Chachi's looking at me. He's agreeing. Go see your daddy. Go see daddy. So now that we're on a different platform where a lot of people who didn't really know us are finding us and it's been interesting to say the least. Bring on the fat jokes. No. Shit, I'm a fucking gold digger. I've got too much plastic surgery. That's only because I'm fat. You wouldn't be a gold digger if I had a six pack.
I have too much plastic surgery. Fuck it. You know, you name it. I get it all over there. But the number one thing that people do ask me over there is like, don't you feel like you should save this for your husband? And I'm like, my husband is the one who fucking pushes it out there. Like,
You know, they don't understand the agreement. He's so in love with this dog. Well, the funny part is how you told him to come over and he listened. Yeah. I just love daddy. Good buddy. You love daddy. Yeah. That's my boy. So. No, I'm not. Listen, here's the thing about that, right? I despise the judgment that you get, right? Of like,
It's just a new era that we live in anyways. You know? Like, where a person can look at a person they know absolutely nothing about, see a still image, right? And a picture's worth a thousand words. But have a million words about that image, right? You know, it's just immediately, you know, just, what'd your husband think about this? What do you... Like, do y'all think I don't...
First of all, do you think I'm that much of a fucking pushover that if I had a problem with it, we'd be together? Right. Is that the clown y'all think I am by the picture I posted? Right. That I'm the fucking kind of cornball that'd just be over here sad every night that his wife posts half-naked pictures just like, I wish she'd stop. I'd fucking leave. You know what I'm saying? Like, what are you talking about? But I was telling Sav that you were the one who like pushed me to start taking. When I first got with you, we both had very minimal followings. And I immediately was like, hey man,
you could really take over that kind of shit. Like that's an area in which you can really exploit. And you were so G back then and what you were doing was like, you didn't like the publicity of anything. You were fucking extremely discreet about everything. So I was like, dude, this is like an avenue that's wide open for you. Like you're tripping not to be doing that. Like, you know, and especially like me knowing your backstory and how you use your sexuality as a means of healing and
To me, it's no different than when people own that thing and turn it into something for them as a way of healing from anything. I know it's totally different, but I was talking to a guy yesterday that wants me to speak at a Cali Sober rehab. They're starting to actually put together rehab facilities where people are in there smoking weed to get off heroin. Buddy, where are you trying to go?
Look at him. He's like, hello. Welcome back, you sexy motherfuckers. Is this thing on? But for me, it's like you use it as a means of, you know. Get down. But people don't know that story. Get down. Get down. Chachi, get down. He's like, well, I kind of can't. He's like, don't hurt yourself, buddy. Yeah, he knows he don't have an avenue that way.
There you go. Look at him. There we go. Okay. Okay. Thank you, buddy. No, it makes me so happy that you said that because it's like, I have always thought that to myself. Like, do you think my husband's a fucking punk? Like, he's not. Yeah. You know, like if my husband... And secondly, do you think I'm that disrespectful of a bitch that if my husband wasn't cool... If daddy says no, it's no. Right. It doesn't matter if I want it or not. Yeah. To me, it's just not even... I just can't believe that that would be a thought in somebody's mind. Yeah. It's just crazy. I respect the question, I guess. Yeah. But it's like, dude, it's not even...
Please don't mistake either one of us for being A, disrespectful or B, corny. Yeah, ever. We would never be. Let's see. Hold on a second. Sorry, I didn't look through these before. The other analogy would be if somebody looked at you like, don't you feel disrespectful that your husband's depressed and you're such a good wife?
I don't know, bitch. I'm depressed with him. No, I mean, that's how he works through his shit. Well, he writes sad songs and he's happy. But how is he happy in your marriage to write such a sad song? No, I actually have had people say that to me. And I'm just like, I can't even wrap my brain around that thought process. So it's like, I just don't even. Yeah, it's just, but I mean, to me, it's the same kind of thing. Like, yo, man, that's how he works through his shit. Like, let the man work through his shit how he works through his shit.
Yeah, for sure. How do you counteract self-destructive tendencies? I'm learning. I would love to give some really poetic response, but I am a piece of clay right now. I think we're all learning. That is remolding myself. I am a sponge. I'm open for suggestions. Same. I can tell you one of the things that I try to do. Why are you waving at me? Did it really?
That's wild. That is wild. It's probably because we did back-to-back podcasts. It's all right. We still have these two, though. Yeah, that's all mine. Okay. Okay. I just see Mimi over there waving. Is everything okay? It's because we did two two-hour podcasts, so the camera's probably like, what the hell? I just think, to me, it's about finding a way to, one, express yourself. I tell people immediately, find somebody to talk to. Communicate. Get it off your chest. Don't live with it.
You know, don't sit there and dwell on it. The worst thing you can do is hold in negative thoughts, you know, like, or just sit with them yourself. And what is he doing, man? Just fucking party over here or what? Yeah. I can charge, dude. I think the worst thing you can do is keep...
Stuff like that to yourself. Whenever I'm feeling really down, I always go to you. I'm like, hey man, I'm weird today. Don't I do that? Yeah, all the time. I'm like, I'm sorry I'm weird, but I'm going through something right now. Whether it be my vitamins are fucking me up or I'm coming off of vitamins or I'm just having a really low day. Or Krampus has showed up. No.
But you know what? I think I've gotten better around my period though. You used to be a just raging fucking bull. My husband had to sit me down one time because I have like PMDD and I'm self-diagnosed by the way. Everything is self-diagnosed over here. I like to think I'm a doctor. But anyways, I was a fucking lunatic and finally Jay was like, listen,
I love you, but you have got to get a grip, you know? And I think communication, like you said, is key whenever you're going through something that's a crisis or even if you're just having a fucking bad day. We're trying to get Bailey to understand that, you know, like whenever Bailey's having a bad day, she'll tell me now. She'll be like, I just don't feel good today. Yeah, it's all good. Yeah. Every day is not always rainbows and butterflies and Hallmark cards and Care Bears. Unicorn farts. Yeah.
What artists will you be touring with this year? I'm still figuring it out. So I've been looking for support. Been talking to Savannah, trying to see what that works. It's like been talking to a band called Siler. I want to bring somebody out with us. It's just such a dilemma when you're looking to grow a business. Right. It's so hard to figure out. And the internet era has changed that too, right? Because you've got artists who, you know, it's like,
First of all, let me tell you something about, can I dive deep with this for a second? - Of course. - 'Cause this is like something I think people don't know.
I don't care who you're opening up for, it's shit money. - Right, always. - Just part of the game. - Dude, I remember when you and I first got together, when you were opening up for Cypress Hill and fucking doing that tour, you were getting like 150, 200 bucks a night. - I think it was like three to 500. - Was it? - Which I think was 500, but it was literally one of my highest paying opening, I think it was to date, the most money I ever got paid to open up for an artist. - Right.
I remember it was pennies. It was pennies. The boys were getting like $80 a night. For sure. That's what I meant. Like 50. Yeah, it's like, I mean, dude, and this was like Cypress fucking Hill, their 25th anniversary or 20th anniversary, whatever it was. I mean, this was a big fucking deal. Yeah. And it's just like, and it's not because of the artist or the manager. It's just the nature of the business. In a way, you have to pay your dues. You have to. But the problem is, you are like asking people questions
Especially the way I tour weekends only.
It's going to cost an artist thousands of dollars to come out and do the shows every weekend. Yeah. You know? Because you're not already out on the road. It's like, dude, I did two Yellow Wolf tours. Yeah, I remember those. For equal or less money than I got for the Cypress Hill tour. Yeah, maybe that's what I was thinking of. Yeah, you know, that was it. It was a couple hundred bucks one time. And it's like, that wasn't me. Yellow was my boy. Yeah. He wasn't... You guys are like family. Yeah, he wasn't selling enough tickets to like shit on me then. You know what I mean? Like, it wasn't like...
You know, and it's like, it's his first big headline and tour too. Like this is my first big headline and tour. We're taking buses. That's a lot of pressure. Yeah. You're paying a big crew. Now you got to have an inner guy, a front of house guy. You got to have a lighting director. Like the bigger the show, the more shit it takes to make the show big. Yeah.
So there's so little money. People are like, touring is where artists make their money. You're full of fucking shit. Unless they're selling out an arena, touring is not where artists make their money. Merch is where they make their money. Merch is on tour, but where they really make their money is just the ability to go connect with those people and build that brand and carry the music over. Absolutely. And I think that's worth more than anything. It's such a thing. Just to be able to, yeah. So it's like, dude, I opened up for ICP once for $100 a night. No shit. This is how I divided the hundred bucks.
You ready for this? I gave Highlight $25. Okay? I gave the other dude that was driving and getting us around a PJ. Psycho Jesus. You met him down there before. Before him was Big Kev. Sweet guy. Like $25, $30 a night. I put $20 in the gas tank and we tried to find a hotel within a $40 budget. And so many nights we slept in the van. Oh, I believe it. When I first got with you, your skin was...
crazy. So many nights I slept in a van. Like, that old white conversion van, Bertha, you seen it? I slept in the back of that van. Me, dude. Hold on. Hold on.
We have to elaborate on Bertha. Bertha was the shit. The first night I met. I love her. Hold on. The first night I met Jay. Don't disrespect Bertha. I'm not going to. I'm going to tell the truth. Though you be nice. Fuck it. We're all in the green room and he is just so proud of this van. And he is like, let's go out to the van and smoke. He's like trying to get everybody out to the van to smoke. And we're like, okay. That's where we smoked at was the van. Yeah. So we go to this van and we walk up to it. He.
opens the fucking thing and I'm severely OCD. He knows that now being with me, but he opens this fucking door. I go inside and I sit down and I'm literally looking around and I'm like, this looks like a fucking trash can. Like there was fucking crumbs everywhere.
fucking used condoms, fucking, it was just crazy. Like just the filthiest. And it had like a mattress in it or something, didn't it? So the third row of this old Southern Comfort van was a bench. There was two captains, four captains sharing a bench. And you could push the button and the bench would lay down into a bed like a futon. And it would take up the, it would touch the back two seats and the back would touch the back door so you couldn't store nothing back.
nothing back there. When I tell you he was proud, he was proud. I had to get out of it. It gave me such anxiety. I got out of it and went and sat in my car. We lived in it for years, dude. You got to realize for us, it wasn't even about being proud. It was comfort. Right. Like it was what we knew. No, but that just goes to show how far you've come. Oh, for sure. This was our space of peace. Like it was weird. I slept in the back of that. There was a tour one time we were talking about tonight. God rest his soul. Yeah.
me, Big Mike, Scary Larry, and Bob the Hippie. We were the four people on the tour. The four musketeers. That was it. Bob drove, Scary sold merch, Big Mike was my DJ slash security because Highlight was doing a shitty bang, a shitty, a shitty bang tour that I'd hooked up with him through Anthony Martini. And we literally went and did his tour with Haystack. In the back of his van, it was the four of us. Yeah. Like,
I would just, the third row, I just kept down asleep. I just fucking sipped lean all night, took Xanax and slept in the back of the van. That's how Jay and I bonded, just so you guys know. He used to always, like, I was dating one of the guys that he was on tour with and I was watching them play and he would come up to me and be like, hey, you got a Xanax. Yeah, true story. I'd be like, you got a Xanax? Yeah. I'd give him a Xanax and he was just so sad. Yeah.
You were so sad. I remember you just had the saddest eyes in the room. Wouldn't talk to anybody. You were so mean. I was just like, God, I want him. I was living in a van 300 days a year. My type. I was like a pissed off homeless person. Yeah, just fucking angry. But that was said to say that it's like,
Opening is just a thing. But it's also the internet has changed everything too because artists are able to build careers on the internet. The other problem is artists haven't... Like Savannah, she's here. She's a great example. She hasn't seen what she can do hard ticket wise yet. So fuck me. Me to the side because that's my sister. She worked to submit for somebody else's tour. Yeah, but for me it's like Savannah, say she submits for...
Let me pick a friend of mine that's just a random in the music business. Russell Dickerson. Great guy. You've been hearing all these people I've never heard of. Sweethearts. They're music guys. They're country music guys. So, and she submits for his tour. And first thing the booking agent goes is, well, how many tickets have you sold? And Savannah goes, well, I haven't sold, you know, I've done a few hundred tickets here in Florida. I've sold out a couple hometown shows. Did this, that, and the third. They're like, well, send us a market by market analysis. And Savannah's like, well, I don't got one yet. But,
I got fucking hundreds of thousands of subscribers on YouTube, tens of millions of views, millions and millions of streams, but the booking agent is still gonna go, "Oh, that's cool.
But has it provenly transferred into a hard ticket by the paper? Yeah. So it's like they're going to send her the most fucked up offer ever, even though she can go sell the fuck out of tickets. Yeah. Because they're like, prove it then. How about don't do this tour? Go do your own tour, sell the tickets and then send us that and we'll give it to you. And then where the fucker is, she'll go out and sell three, 400 tickets a night and then send it to him. And I'll be like, oh, we can't afford you.
So just keep doing your own thing. The music business is so fucked. So it's just the nature of the beast, right? It's just how the fucking business works. And it's just, it's whack. But it's like, it's called building a hard ticket presence. You know what I mean? It's like, we're doing it now like festivals. A couple of festivals we didn't play this year that we played before is because those festivals were like, look, man, go prove to us what you can do in this market without the festival now. Mm-hmm.
And I'm like, game on, bitch. Yeah. Well, look at me now. Look at me now. And now when they call next year, then we get to go, well.
We sold 5,000 tickets in that market by ourselves four months in advance. I want stage 10 p.m., stage one. Yeah, I want direct support for Slipknot that night for X amount of dollars. It's how it's supposed to work. So it's just building. Rapport. Yeah, it's just building the business. So like the same way that an artist, and I'm just using Savannah because she's our family and she's sitting here. The same way an artist like Savannah built her business on YouTube, it's so stupid.
Now she's got to go build a tour. Right. So she's got to be able to come back and go, okay, I did these hard tickets by myself. I also opened up a Jelly Roll tour. I opened up a Russell Dickerson tour. Then I did these tickets by myself. And they'll have a repertoire of what she's done. Yeah. It's like a resume. It's like a musician's resume. For sure. It's like I'm proud to say that I opened up for Twisted. I'm proud to say I opened up for Cypress Hill. I'm proud to say I opened up for Yellow Wool.
the wolf i'm proud to say i opened up for icp i'm proud to say i opened up for mushroom head i'm proud to say i was a part of these tours you know what i mean and very very little i'm proud to say i'll open up for uncle cracker very little money but they all built towards what i can say now you know what i mean so totally it's just now look at you fucking selling out and listen make no mistake i say this all the time and i know we got people to watch this if kid rock calls me tomorrow
And says, hey man, I'm doing a show tour next year. I want you to be my direct support act. I would say yes. And he'd go, well, hold on. Let my management call and tell you how much money it is. I'd say, I don't care. I don't care. No, you would. I've definitely witnessed you. Brantley Gilbert.
Kid Rock and Brantley, y'all are the two. Either one of y'all holler at your boy, I'm coming. You know what I'm saying? Like, I'm there. I'm not thinking twice about it. There's a few other acts I could name, but I won't. They could call me right now, and I don't care the money. Yeah. Shinedown, wouldn't ask for the money. If Zach Myers, good friend of mine, called me right now and said, hey man, I want to talk to you about that. What about Motionless and White? I'd tell him, come fuck my wife. Ha ha ha.
I say, I'll do the tour if you drop that dick off. That sledgehammer. That's a great way to end it.
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