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Hello, friends. It feels nice to say that. We missed you. We missed you guys. Too bad you weren't off doing anything important.

I know. That's how you know your friends have your back when they're like, take some time off for your honeymoon. Yeah, you did! You did! So thank you, my angels. Well, you're glowing. You look fantastic. Did you take a vacation for the first time in your adult life, Sophia? I couldn't believe it. I said to Grant, I was like, I feel like we've been away for a year.

He was like, well, it's been two weeks so far, and you might need to take more vacations. And I was like, I don't know how this works. But it is so good to be back with you, angels. We missed you. We are here for season three, episode eight, The Worst Day Since Yesterday.

which aired originally on November 30th, 2005. It is the first game of the season for the Treehill Ravens. Brooke is reeling from her drunken mistake. Let's call it a drunken disaster. Don't drink, kids. Making poor choices. Jesus, making poor choices after Lucas found her in bed with Chris Keller in the most incredible camera reveal of all time. Meanwhile...

She decides to take matters into her own hands with her designs. Peyton and Hayley mend fences to support Brooke in her time of need. Yay! Lucas is having a hard time focusing on the game. And Karen and Dan continue their campaigns on the radio. But Karen is presented with some damning video recording by Mouth, always the hero. Dun-dun-dun!

Wow. I liked this episode. I did too. I did too. We had some doozies that I was not into, but this one was like back to happy, sad, happy, sad. That's the balance of the show, you know? Yeah. Yeah. There's some fun stuff happening. It kept my interest the whole time. I was like, what's going to happen? What's going to happen? It didn't feel like it was lagging or it didn't feel like an episode where the writer's room was just desperately trying to patch something together so they could keep the episode going, you know? Yeah. No more bottle episodes of weirdness. Yeah.

And so much of the dialogue felt real. I felt like, and I don't know if people were ad-libbing a little more freely in this episode because, you know, the director was giving them permission to or what, but so many conversations felt real.

really real and snappy and quirky and it didn't feel like dialogue yeah i always love seeing the three of us together too there's something something magical about those scenes and look the boys are fine the boys are fine we love them everyone knows that we love them but the scenes where we're together i'm just like i just love you guys this show is fun i love step away from the cake

Yes, when you guys walk into the apartment and I just have my face in a chocolate cake. Good God, I think I ate like four cakes that day. It was miserable. It just felt good. I was like, I want to watch this for an hour. Did he sing to you? Oh, yes. Oh, listen to the compliment scene. It was so good. Yeah.

Being huddled up on the couch together. Yeah. And the humor in it. Everyone trying to help and saying the wrong thing. And each of us saying something as advice, but then realizing it was like a diss to something else someone had done. Like, I'm not going to leave him a message. Sorry. Sorry.

I'm looking at Hayley. Oh, my God. Sophia, you're so good at being overwhelmed by shame. Oh, my God. It's hysterical. The amount. I literally wrote that. Wait, you guys, in my notes. It's notes, notes. Oh, my God, I'm a groupie. And in all caps, the shame. The shame. I mean, we've all done that. We've all, like, either kissed the person or, like, hooked up with the person that we have to explain later. And it is...

Such a miserable feeling. The worst. And laughable later. You've got to give yourself like a grace period. We can laugh at more Brooke now, but day after. But in the moment, in the moment, it's so awful. I remember even doing that scene where Lucas walks in and it looks like Brooke's alone in the bed and then Chris pops up behind her. And even filming the scene...

It felt like a nightmare. Like, I knew I could see, even though I was in it, it was like I had a bird's eye view. I had, like, left my body, and I was up in the corner, and I was like, this is awful. Were you freaked out about, like, the fans' reactions? Like, were you at all aware, like, they're going to revolt and think, you know—

Because I can watch it now and still be Team Brooke and be like, but she said they weren't exclusive. What do you want? You know? Yeah. I mean, look, I knew people would be upset. But what I will say I appreciated is that, you know, sometimes the writers would want to wrap up a storyline in an episode, which doesn't ever let you dig into something. Yeah. And for all of the beginning of season three...

you're really seeing how Brooke is trying to learn to cope with her feelings. And she doesn't know how to get over feeling betrayed. And she wants to trust him, but she just can't. And she's scared. So I felt like, I mean, I felt like it was a step too far. I was like, come on, she's got to like bang this guy. We're teenagers. But I also thought so many people

look for outlets for their pain that are not healthy. And when you're a kid and you don't have the language, like I could understand it. If it had happened in the second episode of season two or three, I think it would have been real, real bad. Yeah. Yeah. I love that about Brooke. Brooke is so good at living messy, just big and loud and messy. And the same way that Peyton is so...

chasing after life. I feel like every day, Peyton is just like, there's a fire in her belly always. Wherever she is, whatever she's doing, she's like, I'm going to be aggressive about this.

Even when she's tender, it's just like your heart on your sleeve all the time. Everything, you know, or it's like it's bottled up, but your heart's always on your sleeve. I don't know how to explain that, but that's one of the things I love about Peyton. But for Brooke, you're so big and messy. It's just a big, giant, messy life. And to be able to do that, I think is actually really beautiful. Maybe I just envy it because I've

wasn't able to live that way for a long time in my life. And I'm just starting to discover the freedom of what that feels like. Yeah, you are. You are living right now. Yes, but you know, it's hard to do. And I think you could see it in Haley because she's a lot more bottled up and controlled and just trying to do everything the right way. And Brooke certainly has...

I feel like she's got pure motives all the time, but it's just that she allows herself to be a mess. And it's kind of great. I don't know. Brooke Davis is... She's puppies. Like, Brooke Davis is, like, fun to look at and really fun to pet and fun to play with, but sometimes they shit on the floor. And you just have to be okay with that if you like puppies. Guys, I had big puppy energy for a long time. And it took me a while to be like, oh, if I...

as a person, I'm going to love this big. Sometimes that's going to be really messy.

Like, I'd rather love everybody. That's it, man. No, we, this is a fun episode too because we got a real basketball game out of this episode. Yeah. Right? This basketball game was shot so well. This was the most interesting basketball game we've had on the series in my opinion. It was gorgeous to watch. It was. And it's a

about as much basketball as i can handle let's be honest like that montage was a solid three and a half minutes girls yes it was energy it was one whole jack's mannequin song yes it was i wonder if that's how they got their rights to the song was that they had to agree to play the entire the song in its entirety in the episode because you know how they chop things up sometimes yeah oh so you can pay less is that how is it like a popular song right

So yeah, that album, Jack's Mannequin, you know, what was it? What was the name of that album? Do we know? It was like, yeah, it was a really good album. And I think they were courting him to come on the show because he hasn't come on yet, has he? Not yet. Not yet. He comes on eventually and like shot a music video and really became like one of our, you know, rah-rah artists. Yeah.

But this was, I think, their way of kind of like stroking his ego and being like, hey, man, we want a whole song. We only gave these other guys like 45 seconds, but we're going to do an entire basketball montage to mixtape, and it's going to be freaking radical. Wait, our producer just dropped a note in the chat. Was it everything in transit? I'm going to Google this. Hold on. This is what makes cell phones for. We had John Asher directed this episode. Is that right? Yes. Yeah.

Yeah, he did a really nice job with the sports, I have to say. And the comedy, too. There was a lot of comedic bits. Yes, everything in transit, 2005. Genius. There you go. Asher was always really good with movement.

He did a lot of like really alive movement. And I think it, especially in an episode like this, like even Hillary, when you and I go into the store and we're stealing all the clothes back, like we're moving through the store the whole time. There's never stillness. That's right. And it adds an element of excitement. Yeah. It's very cool.

Maybe that's part of why the episode felt like it was flowing so well and moving so quickly from storyline to storyline, everything, all the pieces kind of kept moving. I think it helped that he's a really young, he was a really young director. He was only a few years older than us, you know? Yeah, I think he was like late 20s. And having that kind of shorthand, you know, he's a guy that grew up in the business, his parents were in Hollywood, like has been around it his whole life. So he had just as much experience as every other director we worked with, but he was just a baby.

Yeah. And we could improvise with him. Like, to your point earlier, Joy, we could ad-lib because he was like, yes, let them just say it the way they want to say it. Yeah.

Yeah, sometimes older school directors aren't as game for that, you know? You bring in the wild kid. I always felt really creative when Asher was around. Like, we could just play and have fun and didn't take it so seriously, you know? Which it really turns out, usually turns out the best performance, in my opinion. Well, and it's an interesting point you make, Hill, about sometimes with older directors, like,

There's a stiffness. And I think especially when, you know, someone who's in their 50s is coming in to deal with a bunch of kids that are 22. They're like, listen, kids. And you're all you're like, OK, you just got out of college. You're like, yeah, shutting up when your professor tells you to. And it can be intimidating to try to play with an authority figure.

But to like play with someone who kind of reminds you of like your cool young uncle who you've always called your cousin because he doesn't feel old enough to be your uncle. Like it's a different energy. For sure. Yeah. He used to play dodgeball with us after work and like, like drink with us when we'd rap, you know? Also, God, I wish we had him on the episode because I have a question speaking of movement.

When Nathan goes in to tell Chris Keller he's been a dick and Chris thinks it's about Brooke and then Nathan shoves him

fell all the way over that chair in a way that like, I think was real. Yeah, that didn't, guys, there's no stunt, Matt. You can see, you can see the floor. So normally when we do a stunt like that, they like frame it so that you can't see the floor. So there can be something that there's nothing there. I think the camera department was just like, we caught it.

I bet John told Tyler, just fall. Just like let him, don't try and stop yourself. Just fall over. And it worked. It was really funny. Part of me wonders if like,

He was just standing so close to the chair and James bopped him and he just went over. Oh, that could have been it too. Like it was so genuine and embarrassing. Yeah. I love that Tyler was so game for it though. Cause I know he, you know, he didn't try and stop and be like, Oh, Whoa, I didn't give, he just, he just went right along with it. You know, those memes where it's just like in sports, like a basketball, you know, somebody, uh,

like they've been fouled and they just throw themselves on the floor. Like it's a little shove, but the next thing you know, they're like 20 feet away and they're holding their knee. I'm an intern. I'm an employee. I call my attorney. Ow! What do you do?

Oh my God. We all kind of pounded on Chris Keller in this episode. I love slapping him in this episode. And that's like one of those things that fans want to like have Tyler and I recreate all the time. They're like, you guys have done so many Christmas movies, but we like it better when you hit each other.

When you guys walked in there so pissed, and Joy, you started in on him, and then Hillary, you walked in. I literally, while we were watching it, thought, hit him! And then you did, and I was like, great. Problem solved. Friends, we all.

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there's progress in this episode you know like Haley and Nathan she's not groveling anymore like things are feeling nice and Haley and Peyton there's progress there because people are just talking about how they feel it's just been feeling so mopey everybody was moping for a while so it's nice Lucas really is the only one moping now well and even when Nathan called it out Nathan was like just forgive her man like shitty advice right oh my god it was so good

There's something I was thinking about watching that scene with you guys in the car, which was so nice. Well, not shot nice, Sophia. Not. It's green screen. Well, it was a very bad green screen, but very good acting on your part. Totally like an SNL skit. But you guys were so good. And, you know, we were talking earlier about how Brooke doesn't have the language to cope with how she's feeling.

And there's a shared understanding when Brooke needs help, because Haley and Peyton are two women who have screwed up and have worked their way or are working their way into forgiveness for their mistakes and into forgiving themselves. And when they see that Brooke needs that, it kind of thaws things between them. And then in the car,

The first young person who seems to really be able to admit what she's feeling in this episode is Peyton. And she says, well, Peyton,

I think the reason I've been being such a bitch is because everybody leaves. Yeah. And you're the only one who's come back and I'm taking out all that anger on you. And I was like, that's beautiful. That's that hard on her sleeve stuff I'm talking about. She's so honest. It was so nice. And it helps. Paisley Payne is nothing if not honest. Yes. Well...

That's a double-edged sword, guys. In my own life, I'm just like, sometimes it's hard to not be Peyton Sawyer in real life. Because I think, you know, these were formative years for us, and I was kind of that person anyway that was just like, I'm going to tell you exactly what I fucking think, whether it's good or bad or whatever. And there's a good, obviously, there's like a good part to that too, but sometimes revisiting our sordid youth and seeing, you know, myself act like Peyton. And I'm like, why was I...

So combative. We could temper things as an adult. Let's just, we don't have to tell the whole truth. Let's just tell a fraction, a fourth. I like this with Haley and Peyton too, because I never had a sister growing up, always wanted one, but never did. And I don't know that I had a lot of friendships where I knew how to

fight and that it was okay if you fight like yes it's actually okay and probably healthy and then you just apologize or you know figure out what happened and then find your way back and you didn't have sisters either Hillary and

Well, neither did you. I was a part of a big pack of chicks, though. I had the same girls from sixth grade through graduation. You did? Oh, yeah. My girlfriends from home were like sisters. And then I went to school and had to live with nine women in the dorm. So I'd had a little bit of practice, but not...

I wanted to. No, that's huge. I never got that. And I always wondered how, go ahead, Soph. What were you going to say? No, I was going to say that's amazing. I mean, because as a kid, we moved a lot. So I had great friends, but every couple of years I'd move and then we'd have to sort of start over. And my experience when our show started is the friends I'd made in high school,

did not like it what they didn't translate huh like it really didn't translate and it was really ugly and sad and I have I have three girlfriends that I've had since middle school but like truly I don't talk to anyone else I went to high school with like it was it was like pretty cruel yeah and

That experience mixed with like, you know, the stuff we all carry from when we're kids and our little brains don't know how to process things. For me, because I didn't have siblings, fights I learned in my family, especially with like the dysfunction at this sort of level of my grandparents, was that if you fought and people yelled, everything was nuclear. Like the world was over. So,

There were things in my 20s that I learned to just not say. And I just internalized like fear, anxiety, sadness, feeling like the odd man out kind of vibe. And it took me until much later. And it took me until like really making like the core best friends that, you know, have been in my life for the last 15 years to unlearn some of those things, to have people say, no, you can tell us stuff.

And we can get in an art like an argument isn't a fight. Arguing is OK. Sometimes you have to argue to get to the point. Sometimes you like sit on the couch and cry and bare your soul and someone cries with you and then you feel better. But like arguing is part of communicating sometimes. And that has been so powerful. But I just I didn't have examples of that as a kid at all.

That is hard to find outside of your family. Because the thing about family is you're stuck with them no matter what. So there's a, you know what I mean? There's a sort of a safety net there. Obviously, you have to be careful not to abuse that privilege. But there is a safety net there. And I also moved around a lot as a kid and...

Yeah. And I think, I guess living in big cities too, New York and LA, I found that that's extra hard because everybody sort of keeps everybody at an arm's length. And so if someone does something that people are like, you know, a friend might be like, I can't believe she did that. I can't believe...

whatever, that it would, they just stop talking. Like, and I've been guilty of it too. And I'll notice behavior in someone that I'm like becoming friends with. And then I'm like, now I'm just going to distance myself. And sometimes that's good, but not always. Sometimes it's worth being like, hey, do you know that like,

You actually interrupt me literally every single time that I'm talking. And I don't know if you know that you do that. Not you, but you know what I mean? I have friends... Hold on. I just got a really self-conscious joy. Uh-oh. Shit. No, but you know what I mean? Those kinds of things that you would never say to people, you're just like, you know what? I'm sick of hanging out with this person because all they do is interrupt me. And it doesn't occur... Now that...

I'm getting older and I just have more experience. I start realizing like, oh, some people just aren't aware that they do it. It doesn't mean that they're a narcissist or they're self-centered or they're like not worthy of being friends. They just, I'm just using this as an example, but you know. Yes, yes, yes. But there's things that instead of,

working through them, you just move on to a new friend until there's friction and then just move on to somebody else. And because I never had sisters growing up, it's been hard to find girlfriends living in big cities where it feels safe to just have a big disagreement but still love each other and come right back. One of the reasons why I'm so grateful for what we have here. I just feel terrible. I wish I'd known all this because like...

When we were kids, we didn't talk about our upbringings or the difference between being an only child or being one of a lot of kids. And so I always fight. And so I can only imagine...

How awful I was for you guys to experience. Because I'd be like, what the fuck are you doing about that? Because for me, I have a feeling for five minutes and then it's over. And then it's just like, okay, what are we singing at karaoke? But I can only imagine how traumatizing that was for you two. And so I'm just like, I'm really sorry. I'm feeling really emotional about it. Because you don't know. I do come at everything like Peyton, like splat.

This is the feeling. Okay, move on. I do that more now. I'm way more like that now. But also, what a gift. Because, yeah, for sure. There were early times. I totally have a...

I'm sorry. About you and I got in a fight about something and then like everything was different. But isn't it interesting that years later we realized that he who shall not be named knew we got in a fight about something and then got in both of our ears because he didn't want us to make up. And it took us a long time to get there. I mean, long is short really in now the grand scheme of things, but it's really amazing that

I think in the way that we all talk about how this

has been such a gift for us and it's fun for us and it's ridiculous and it's delicious and it's all these things. But we've each separately and together when asked about this talked about how healing this is. Yeah. We've been able to sort of re it's like we've reparented our younger selves together and not to be like so woo woo but in the sort of generational tradition of women like being the ones who collect in the village. We've we

We've healed our little village. And I think especially like Joy and I have talked a lot about this, learning things about how our brains have worked that we didn't know when we were younger to find safety in women when they're

Your lack of tools as a young woman made you think, oh, I'm the one who's not safe here. Everyone else has a thing, but I don't have the thing. So I'm just going to hang out over here. And like, I love everybody, but I think everybody secretly hates me. Everyone's saying bad things about me. Oh my gosh. Always. Paranoid. To undo that, like to scoop that out of your innards and have space for this, like,

I wish this for everyone. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Moral of the story, kids. Just say it. Just say the thing. Communicate. Just say the thing and then move on. Say the thing. And in fact, it's probably why Peyton and Haley were able to heal their relationship because for the last...

five episodes, I guess, since Peyton's been mad at her. Yeah. She's been very direct. I'll tell you exactly why I'm mad at you. And she tells her and then that's it. And, and Haley's had a couple of things to say about it as well. And even though they didn't resolve it, they were both being honest and, and the honesty is so important. So don't be passive aggressive with your friends. Don't be, you know, everything's fine. It's fine. Whatever. If you say it's fine.

It's not fine. It's not fine. If your friend says it's fine, just like push her. No, it's not. Tell me the truth. And you know what? I will say we didn't have this language when we were in high school or 20 year olds pretending to be in high school. One of the most helpful tools that I've learned in recent years is to say, I don't know what your experience is right now, but what I'm experiencing is what I'm feeling is am I off base? Yeah.

Or is there something like to just make enough room for someone to realize that the two of you might be having different experiences, but in your vulnerability...

Your experience is painful. That I have found can be such a key to having a constructive, oh, no, this is what I'm thinking. Or, yeah, that kind of annoyed me, but I didn't mean to hold on to it or whatever. Rather than a, I didn't say that. You're like, yes, you fucking did. And then it turns into, you know. Yeah.

Just give each other a little bit of space. That is such good advice. I heard something kind of similar the other day. Not the other day. This is probably like two years ago. The other day. Time is a construct, Joy. We don't know what time is anymore. But it was somebody... And I started incorporating this into my communication, which somebody said...

I feel like this is what's happening. I'm having a desire to commit to an emotion, but I need information from you. You have to tell me before I can commit to an emotion in this scenario. So I need some info. Wow.

And it was so great. And I've started using that. And it's great because it gives you a pause. You can just take that beat. You know, I'm dog sitting for a friend of mine. And the first three nights I was here, another friend of hers came and picked up the dog and took the dog to the house and dog sitting.

And I eventually, on the third day, I was like, because then I heard, oh, yeah, the dog's going to go to somebody else's house for a couple of days. And I was like, do you? I was like, I feel like you don't trust me with your dog. But you asked, you know, like, so before I commit to how I feel about that and like making up that whole story in my head and what I'm going to do about it, I would really like some information from you. Yeah.

And of course it was like, no, it's not about you at all. The dog's on the other side of town. It's the easiest way to get her back here. We didn't want to put you out by making you drive all the way out there to get her. And you know, it's like not about you at all. It's fine. So then I could just relax and release it. And I didn't carry it around all day. Like I had been all morning like, oh my gosh, am I like a, people don't trust me with their pets. I mean, I know I can be irresponsible, but like I raised a child. I raised a child. Yeah.

my beautiful child I can raise your dog she's alive it's okay that's hilarious Joy but you know just being able to to say I need info before I can commit to an emotion here I need info

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Honey, come on. So good. Pearl. That's so Southern of you. For your engagements. Whatever you collect. I understand. The collective marriages. Yes. Or, you know, life is long. You know, do whatever you want. Yeah, baby. But it is... You have to practice with your friends in order to be well exercised in that for your...

like more intense relationships. And Haley's doing that. She's practicing it with her friends and committing to Nathan. And she's not groveling anymore. She's not sad. She's like so cute in that little outfit, just that little cheerleading outfit. Yeah.

I loved it. That was fun. I started to, I was happy to be a cheerleader, but I was annoyed that I had to be there on game days now. Cause Haley never had to be there on game days, except they were like come between like five and eight tonight and we'll get your shot in. You know, now it was like, I got to be there all day long, but it's just so stupid. Those are champagne problems. I mean, they were paying me. I was happy to be there. That scene was so sweet. Yeah.

Especially to counter that awful, violent moment between Dan and Nathan. Yeah. Obviously, he's scared. He's heartbroken. And he walks outside and there you are. And he just says, you waited for me? Oh, it killed me. Like she's a little safe place for him. She was right at the right moment. She was there. Oh, that was so good.

Yeah, I like seeing them come back together. And it's very sweet, the little phone call. Yeah, it's good stuff. The immediate phone call was... I know. ...satisfating. Super cute. The best way. Super cute. Yeah, back to that thing with Dan in the locker room, the abuse, that thing. Yeah, the intense abuse. And you said it too when we were watching it. Can you imagine how embarrassing, not just embarrassing, it's like too light of a word, how...

It's humiliating. It's humiliating. The shame that would create. To have your entire team watch you, the star basketball player, get abused by your father. And Whitey shows up with the bat. Whitey came in hot. It was so good. Like chariots of fire. And you know what was interesting? I had a moment when we were watching it go down because the team had walked in. Whitey was at the door. He was about to talk. And then Dan came in.

And when Dan had Nathan up against the locker, I'm going, where's Whitey? And then you see the door swinging behind him and he's got a bat. And I'm like, God, he's so cool. He just went right to his office to get a baseball bat. I love that man. Just who lets Dan in all these fucking spaces? This man is everywhere. And I wonder sometimes like with the scripting of our show, like at what point they were just like,

Screw it. We're going to just let him be everywhere. You know, like, doesn't need to make sense. He's at the river court. He's in other people's homes. He just knows how to find everyone all the time. He's a stalker. He can just show up. And you made a point, I think, Joy. You said, you know, who lets parents just walk into the locker room? And now that we're talking about it, I'm realizing, well, we've established...

Dan is a complete narcissist. He's abusive. I mean, the way he's manipulating Deb in this episode, making her read scripts, it's so gross. Of course he would walk right into the locker room because he thinks it belongs to him. Yeah, of course. He thinks everything belongs to him. I still am bothered by the inconsistency of the fact that, let me tell you something, when one of my daughter's friends' parents

Follow me so far? When her friend's parents behave badly, you know, something, if they yell at one of the kids or if there's anything that I hear about it, they come, I'm sure you do too, Hillary. Oh, babe. They come home and they're like, so-and-so's mom or so-and-so's dad did blah, blah, blah. Yeah. And, you know, it's word travels fast. And in a small town like Tree Hill, world travels fast. Yeah.

So Dan walking into a locker room, this is being one of the, you know, this is probably like 475 on the list of things that he's publicly done to his family or anybody else. How are people, how is he still running for mayor and still seeming like he's talking at the pep rally? He's like a pillar, a beacon in the community. I don't understand that.

You know, these parents know what's up. Their kids are coming home. Like, you know, yeah, Dan was roughing up Nathan in the locker room today. And, you know, I feel like maybe though, that's why there's the moment where mouth has the video.

Because Dan screwed up and he did it in front of everybody. Yeah. Oh, yeah, that's true. So much of the insidious stuff that he does is in quiet. It's in an aside. He gets in your face. He grabs your arm in a weird way. He does it at home. Narcissists know how to look presentable to people who don't know them. But at home, they're monsters. Yeah. And he did it in front of everyone. And now there's a video.

Okay. Great point. Great point. It's also worth noting too, like, I think because we were young when we shot this show and they were older than we were, we just kind of took it for granted. Like, yes, of course it makes sense for a 36, not even, they're playing 34 year olds because they were supposed to be 18 when Lucas is born and Lucas is only six. They're playing, is it even legal for Dan to run for mayor? Don't you have to be 35 or something? Do you know what I mean? It's like,

It's like the idea... I think that's only the president. So this kind of, this idea of reputation, you know, as local politicians or just like local business people get older, you know, scandals come out in your 40s and your 50s and your 70s, you know, like whatever. Mm-hmm.

Dan's really, really young. Like maybe the word isn't out there with the voter base because they're not people that he went to school with. It's people who are like decades older than him. And they just remember like the golden kid on the cover of the local newspaper. You know, the kids he went to school with know he's an asshole. But, you know.

Typically, voter base is a little bit older and they're like, oh, that's that winner. That's that Scott kid. What a winner. Yeah, I bought my car from him. I bought my car from that boy. What an ambitious young man. Well, I can't wait to see what happens with this video. I love it. And I hope that Karen doesn't

high horse it and be like, I'm above releasing this. I know. She should release it. I was like, she's going to be classy and I wish she wouldn't. No, no. I love a smear campaign because it's the truth. Tell me the truth. Well, Mav can release it. Karen doesn't have to have anything to do with it. She can just be like, whatever you do with that is none of my business. Exactly.

But I really hope I wake up and see it on the news tomorrow. Well, and also it's a wonderful tool for Deb, who has had Dan dangle this idea of freedom over her head. If she's got a video, she can show a judge and be like, this man hurts my child. She doesn't have to play his game anymore. You know, she's got physical proof. This is the bad guy. It's all over for Dan Scott. Yeah. Yeah.

Oh, you know what I will say on a on a high note, whether she releases the video or not for Karen, Moira played that moment with Karen and Lucas.

So well, when she goes, well, then it's her loss. You know, someone once said to me, the best way to get over someone is to get under someone else. Oh my God, I just realized what that meant. Like, it was so funny. So cute. I thought it was more philosophical than that. The scenes between Karen and Lucas are so...

I guess I never clocked him before because I didn't have a kid. And now I've got this 12-year-old boy with a mustache, and I'm watching these interactions between a mom and a son. And I'm like, oh, my God, these are the conversations that I have with Gus. Like, we just watched Breakfast Club. I was just going to ask that. Is this – you guys really – because I was watching the episode. I'm like, did boys really talk to their mothers that way? Yes. My son, we just watched The Breakfast Club, and he had so many questions. Yes.

And he was so angry with Judd Nelson's character because he stuck his face in Molly Ringwald's lap under the library table. And Gus was disgusted. And so at the end of the movie, when they end up together, Gus is disgusted.

And he's like asking me all of these questions. And like Jeff thought for sure Gus would be into that character because he's like the edgy one with the earring. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No part. Gus wanted no part of that character. Interesting.

And so having those conversations about like sexuality and respect and, you know, just kind of like ethics with your child. Gus wanted to, he held my hand the whole time we watched the movie. He just had his little head on my shoulder so I could scratch his hair. Like, I love seeing it in an older boy, you know, like sit down with his mommy and be like, well, I'm the butt of the joke of all the cheerleaders, mom. And just like cop to it, you know?

He's not trying to be cool. He's like, Mom, all the girls are being really mean to me and nobody likes me. And I just want to go to homecoming with somebody. I just want to go paint my door black. That was hilarious. Yes, baby, I can tell by the black door on the side of the house. You got dumped. I see here. I love, too, is that in a weird way.

He also gets mothered by Rachel. Yes. She's like, move on, get over yourself and get out of my car. I'm better than this. I was like, yes, girl, you go. I was so happy. The way Danielle delivered that line, the I'm better than that. You know, she's like, you've been using me to make Brooke jealous. That's fine. But I'm better than that. And I know that.

She didn't say it in a mean way. She didn't say it in a cocky way. Like, Danielle played that so tonally correct because it was just a young woman correcting a young man in a way that wasn't malicious that he could hear and being like, and so we're done with this. Okay, good luck. You don't do this to me. Or anybody. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, it would have been one thing if we made an arrangement, but you don't get to just do this and pretend like we don't know, both know what's going on. And I liked that she didn't do it in a way of like, I'm better than this. Like, you were hurting my feelings. She was just like, this is gross. Stop it. I'm not going to tolerate it. It was so adult. Mature. I guess that's why it feels to me a little bit like Karen and Rachel are kind of mirrors of

For him. Oh. They're both looking at him in this episode like, grow up. Stop pouting. And it's kind of nice. She's also the one that calls out Chris Keller for being a creep coming into the high school hitting on teenage girls. Yes.

It's so gross. We've talked about it so much. Why is this boy hanging around? And even when he walks in, he goes, ooh, three cheerleaders. It's so, the writers, it's so gross. And she just was like, you're disgusting. You're a pervert. And I loved, I loved that somebody said it.

Also, you just said the thing. It's like, Dan, is this the episode where the Chris Keller, Dan Scott theory started? Maybe I know your mother. Oh, yeah, that's right. Talk about that. Well, apparently this is a fan. There is a big fan theory that Dan was just dropping a little Easter egg, but that Chris Keller is actually Dan's son and Chris is the third Scott brother.

I don't personally think that's true. I don't think that's true. I've seen so many fans say that, though. They're just like, Chris Keller is totally one of Dan Scott's kids. He's like a young Dan. He definitely functions like a young Dan, just showing up random places, walking in wherever he thinks he belongs. Yeah. Picking up, you know, any woman that he sees that he's just like, oh, you, I'll pick on you. It's gross. It's super gross. Yeah.

And it's, Tyler is the only person that I think could have made it work in a way that feels lovable because otherwise it just comes off so sleazy. Because he is so fucking lovable. It's still sleazy, but yeah. Yeah. He can't help it. Even playing a sleazy character, the pure goodness that is Tyler seeps through. So you're like, God, I love to hate this guy. Yeah.

It's so true. We were debating while we were watching. We're like, okay, fans, this is going to be our poll for you guys. Who does Tyler look more like? Elvis or

Or Chris Isaac. I just always thought he was such a ringer for Chris Isaac. But you're right. He does. The Elvis thing is very real. I see a lot of Elvis too. Strong Elvis energy. You know what I want somebody to do? You know how they do those things with couples where they put your faces together and tell you what your children would look like? I would love for somebody to put Elvis and Chris Isaacs together and see if it's Tyler Hilton.

Okay. Yes. I would love that. Somebody's got a project. Good luck, kids. Somebody has that app. I don't want to download it. I'm lazy. But somebody has it and they could just tweet it to us and it would be great. I would love that. Thank you in advance. We appreciate you. Thank you in advance for your help.

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And we get to see all the boys, and it's nice to hear their real names announced at the beginning of the game. Because our basketball players were a huge part of our show. And they didn't necessarily have lines, but they were important. And so to hear their real names called out over the loudspeaker. And then we've got our Bevan, who is so funny in this episode with her giving Whitey, like, this is a play you should do. A genius play. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

like being the one with chris keller that's like okay bye you know and then she looks at rachel and goes sorry right good she's so good and you i mean i think most of our fan base knows that bevin recently lost her husband and she was on our show like what two months ago talking about how wonderful he is and their life that they've built here together in wilmington um yeah

you know, I don't, people can't see us because it's the podcast, but I'm in a hotel room in Wilmington right now. And what I can say is that we've had more time together as a unit in the past, like six months, like all of us, we've seen each other at weddings, at these celebrations of life, you know, like we're all able to interact. Convention coming up too. We're going to be back in Wilmington. It's, um,

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Danielle's here. You know, the magic. I think a lot of the fan base is like, it feels like suspension of belief. It's like this was a magical group of people. This was like a magical experience, a magical show. And it feels so weird to be back for the first time post-pandemic. And it's like, it's real.

Yeah, it's magic. Everyone's out walking the loop. Everyone's going to the brasserie for dinner. The magic is just real and the community is real. For our Drama Queens fans that have gone to recess, Bevan's business that she built here with her husband,

That has been such a gift, and it really means a lot to her. It means a lot to the other girls that work there. And so if you're coming to Wilmington this summer— Yeah, what can our fans do? Well, if they're coming to Wilmington for the summer or for an anniversary or for any trip at all, like, recess is part of the Drama Queen scavenger hunt. So just make a plan of taking a class with any of the teachers there.

And yeah, be a part of this community that we all love. Please go support Bevan right now. Just like it's so special for us when we meet y'all and you're wearing like a Clothes Over Bros hat or a t-shirt with Peyton's art on it. Even if spinning is not your thing, listen, not all of us love cardio. You can pop by recess and say hi and get a hat, get a t-shirt. You can support Bevan.

the business and you can do that for our girl because it's, I mean, you said it best, Hillary. It's like such a, it's been such a season of reunion for us. And it's so odd to be

sort of celebrating the highest of highs and also lifting up our community in moments that are the lowest of low. And I think what is so beautiful to watch is that no matter what it is, we're all here. Like whether it was puppy piling in the corner with all of you at my wedding or everybody who could flying into Wilmington to hold Bevan, it's like,

After 20 years, no matter what, everybody's there. And it's, you know, it's the most meaningful stuff. I couldn't have predicted it in a million years, you guys. Like when we were 20 year olds, like I could never ever have predicted we'd all still be in love with each other in a way that's just kind of wholesome. It's foundational. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. So at some point, the three of us are going to have to do a spin class together. I'm in. I can't wait. Yeah. I will do it for Bevan and I will do it for you guys. I'm the least coordinated

woman on the planet you've seen the cheerleading dances I don't know what you guys want but we're here for each other and that's awesome and we appreciate the fan base also being here for us and so we'll answer your questions now give us the questions let us give you the love

Haley wants to know, how did you come up with the name Drama Queens for the podcast and how did you all come together and decide to do it? Hillary, were you the one that said Drama Queens? One of us just, it was like in the pile of names. We were throwing names out. I don't remember who said it. What were some of the other names we were thinking of? Yeah, we toyed with some. Well,

Remember we started with most likely to. That's right. It was originally going to be most likely to. It's the most likely to in the yearbook. And then that actually turned into our wheel. Our most likely to is like our spin the wheel wheel.

I don't remember. It was one of you two. Drama Queens was definitely not me. I don't remember. It was me. It was because I was getting made fun of. It's like somebody had made fun of me. Like, you're going to be a bunch of drama queens. And I was like, you know what? Drama queens. We're going to turn a negative into a positive. You're goddamn right we are. We are the queens of teen drama. Watch us. It was you. I thought so. And it just felt so egotistical. Yeah, I loved it. It is.

How many teen dramas are out there and for us to be like, no, no, no, no. We are the queens. It was so bitchy. But in the funniest, juiciest way. No, in the best way. And it's tongue in cheek. And you know what? Everybody made us feel real bad back then. And we're taking back our confidence. God damn it.

All I'm saying, those behind the scenes of the Teen Choice Awards, we were not beloved and we got picked on. And so that is I've got a chip on my shoulder about it.

while we were still on Zoom. Like, that's it. That's the name. Oh my God. I like split screened my computer and I got online and started ordering crowns. I was like, no, we're doing it. I want a crown. We deserve this. You did have tiaras so fast. I ordered so many options. But we went through so many names. We were just spitballing for like a week or two. And then finally you just said that and we all were like, oh, that

That's it. Bingo. Bingo. That's it. Somebody locked down the LLC right now. That's us. Great. But yeah, Sophia brought us the idea of podcast because you'd been doing work in progress and you were like, guys, we can actually like work from home and provide. Yeah. And like make things cool. You know, there was a lot of unspoken stuff that fans always kind of tiptoed around at conventions and the Q and A's. And we're like, you know what?

Let's put out the laundry. Let's just do it. Do it. And there's something, I think what I learned, you know, doing work in progress is we're so used to doing an interview and they use like a sentence, a soundbite. Half the time they take shit out of context for a clickbait title. Like it's all just yucky. And, and the length of a podcast allows you to be curious and,

to debate thoughtfully, to ask questions. Well, what do you think? What do you think? That's interesting. Maybe this is a reality or an option I'd never thought of. Like it's a real life. It's like a dinner party. Yeah. And for us to be able to do that together and not have somebody be like, the girl said, and it's like, that's actually not what we said. We'll tell you what we have to say. It's so empowering.

When it also was so universally like destined because everything went right on like the first try. You know what I mean? Like, yeah. Oh, yeah. I sat down to write that theme song and sent it to us in like a voice. It was like a little tiny thing. And it was just like, what do you guys think of this? Is this OK? And we're like, is this OK? What are you talking about? This is magic. Yeah.

It's like when God is opening up all the doors, there is just something magical that happens and you just take your hands off of it and watch it go. And that's what we did. I mean, we showed up to do the work, but we didn't have to push and bang down doors. And not that there isn't a season for that, but it's so nice when you just see all the doors just opening and you know, you're on the right track and everything's working. It's a relief. Being in flow.

is such an unmistakable feeling and you feel like it's coming through you. And it's such a lesson that not everything has to be that brutal climb up the hill with the rock. Yeah. You can just, like, you don't have to be a mountain. You can be water. Oh. It's so nice. I want to be water. Where'd you hear that, Sophia? We're water. Yeah.

I love it. I'm just the river. You just send things right on down. Just send things right to me. I love this. And we'll take you on a boat together. I am the river. Oh my God, he's writing another country song. We're going to get another song. I love this. If you don't take us as your date to like the Grammys when you win awards for your country music album, I'm going to be real mad. I agree.

I want to go. You're on. Dates. Dates for life. Teasing my hair. You'll be like, excuse me, I need three seats. Three. Sorry, guys. I'll just sit in one of your laps. That's fine, too. That's what I was going to say. Yeah. Okay. Okay, so Jackie wants to know, what is the biggest mistake you think your character made? I feel like you're being targeted right now with this Chris Keller thing, Sophia. I was about to say that. In this episode, it's clearly Chris Keller. Jackie, please. I don't know. Biggest mistake?

It's hard to know because we've only seen up to season three. So let's just say, so between like, you know, one and three, what's our biggest mistake? Hmm.

webcam Haley's biggest mistake when when Nathan came to say hi to her backstage her biggest mistake was not saying I love you I'm so happy to see you don't go anywhere I'm so confused and freaked out and I don't know what's going on but I love you to death and I will die if you leave just stay stay here I will be right back and help me figure this out I need your help

That was her big, if she had said that, I think everything would have changed. Say the thing. You said that earlier. Just say the thing. Say the thing, man. Is that the title of this episode? Say the thing. Yeah.

Yeah, mine's webcam. Kids, don't do that. Like, don't... Ugh, yes. Gross. Guard yourself on the internet, man. You gotta get one of those Post-it notes and stick it on those little stickers and stick it on your camera. Girl, you know I've got a band-aid on my laptop and on all... That's right. Like, somebody's watched that. Yeah, we all watched that Edward Snowden movie. We're all freaked out. Ugh. Gross. It's all so gross. Um... It's a work. Oh, man. I think...

I mean, Brooks made a lot of mistakes, but... Felix. Felix. I can't believe you said that because I was just trying to remember his name. Yeah. Let's, um...

I'd say currently up to season three, episode eight, Felix is probably number one. And Chris Keller's probably number two, only because I like Tyler so much. He's lovely. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And you only like, and Brooke only slept with him once. And Felix was like an ongoing thing. She made that choice multiple times. Multiple times. That is.

That is like a emotional cutting. Like it really is. That's a behavior of self-harm. We don't do that. Anyone. Yeah. That's right. All right. We're spinning a wheel. What do we got this week? Most likely to win big in Vegas. For sure. Who's a gambler? That's tough because it's also based on luck. Yes. Probably Chris Teller.

And then he would lose it all. He would lose it all on the next table. Yeah, Chris Keller for sure. That kid steps in it, you know? Just, you know, he's working at a record store in Tree Hill and all of a sudden he's on like a big national tour and, you know. Oh, Chris Keller. But who in real life? I feel like Antoine's always in Vegas, like playing dominoes. Absolutely. I feel like Antoine always won big in Vegas. So that's for my men, guys. Yeah, you must have.

Well, friends, we love you. We're so grateful that you show up for us every week. Please, as a reminder, show up for Bevan right now. If you're in Wilmington, go visit Bevan.

If you are online, go pick up a hat or a T-shirt or something and send her some love. And there is also a GoFundMe that the family put together. Her husband was such an incredibly accomplished man.

and had a business brain and a creative brain like nobody else. And he did so much amazing work in his own right. He helped her put Recess together, and it was something that they did as this family dream. And so the really cool thing about the GoFundMe that so many of us have shared and will share it again is

is that it raises money for a cause that Will was deeply passionate about and will go to continuing to help Recess as a business.

um, as everyone figures out, you know, what it means to, to hold that up in, in his absence. And it's in these moments that, you know, people really need us to kind of be the bridges from, from one reality to, to another. And so there's so many ways to, to help. And if, you know, taking a class or donating money isn't something you're able to do, even just sending a message of support really means a lot. Yeah. Yeah.

We thank you guys for being a part of our family. Can't wait to see you next week. Love you. Love you all. Thanks for listening. Don't forget to leave us a review. You can also follow us on Instagram at DramaQueensOTH. Or email us at DramaQueens at iHeartRadio.com. See you next time. Weird school drama girl. Drama about them high school queens. We'll take you for a ride in our Comet Girl. Drama girl. Cheering for the right team. Drama Queens. Drama Queens. You can see the smart girls.

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