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Okay, so apple intelligence has been out for a while, and I feel like everyone's got there there like hot A I takes yeah. Like how do they feel about large language models? Like, is this good? Is this not good? We too have done are entirely uncontroversial AI episodes as well on those whole things.

I don't want to revisit all of that here. But with the arrival of apple intelligence, there is one thing that has like driving me crazy that I feel like I haven't heard other people point out. It's a deep frustration over this thing, which is in instant message. God gives you suggestions about what to say. Do you have any thoughts on this future make?

There are many things that I wish they would do Better and had a little bit disappointment about mostly image playgrounds. But like I think the absolute fundamental fAiling is that they have, I, assuming this point, millions of words that I have typed into messages, but yet feel like they've never met me all, because I do not speak in the way that apple intelligence would like me .

to reply to anybody. Ah OK all right. So you you feel like a tone mismatch when I gives suggestion. You don't always have cheaper replies with correct puntuated every single time. That's not how you reply to people when they send you messages.

No, not at all. Not at all. So every day I send my mom the same message in the morning. I will show a good morning and ask her how he is SHE will tell me how SHE is, and I usually responded the same way. I like, I am all good, and I send an oji, right?

That seems like a very simple pattern.

but every day you'll send me a message and it's like, ha ha comma, i'm good that exists. Tion like, sounds great. Like but i've never ever once send this message to my mom. Like my theory on these auto replies or these suggested replies is is actually not using any L M or all.

Oh.

and IT is the same system that they have been using previously, because this kind of thing is existed in I O S. For a long time. But I believe that they have just given IT the little glow of apple intelligence to suggest IT smart because doesn't feel like anything at all, which is doing any kind of sentiment analysis based on my language because when I use the writing tools I think IT does do at half decent job are still sounding like me, even if it's like changing the tone is still uses the words that i've used.

But like, I just don't really feel like it's doing anything smarter than anything they're done before because I really do feel like if you wanted to do this, they could do this and like they have all of my messages on my phone, like they could point a model like that and build a model unique to me that isn't so like an easy thing to do. But this thing they could do, and I would love them to do, right, like my iphone has so many words, the eye of writing, like they really have the opportunity to create the most natural sounding element for writing like me, because it's all there. But these like precent responses feel like they were just written by somebody. I feel like if I started sending messages to people, IT would be like there was a meme years ago where IT was like, if I say this, you'll know i've been taken hostage. And I feel like if I started sending these to people, there would be a natural assumption that either I was mad at the person or something was wrong with me.

Okay, yeah, this is the thing. I, I quite like this, my conspiracy y theory, that they haven't actually done anything except add the glow. Yeah, I am unconvinced.

But like all good conspiracy theories, it's intriguing. right? I kind of like this. I would do someone can dig into the code and try to find out I do feel like they're different from the suggestions from before. The suggestions from before felt more like whatever you've do on the watch where there's just like twenty three and things like yes, no or whatever.

IT does feel like they're i'm confident they're reading the message that sent, right? And so maybe that's Better, but just the responses are not based on what I write at all. I feel yeah .

so you want IT to be Better. You want IT to be a Better mike bot for replying, and I don't think that's reasonable request because IT isn't good right now. I have that same feeling of I don't like this.

One of the reasons is a definitely doesn't sound like me like I wouldn't write any of these things, but I have a deeper problem with this, which is a bit like even if they could do IT perfectly, let's say, apple does a thing where they do exactly what you want. They train an L. M. On everything you've ever said. I'm sure they have enough data for this level of a text conversation back and forth and IT can right the way that you can.

I feel like the thing that i'm trying to .

articulate about what I don't like here is I don't have any Better words than feeling like there's something anti human about this use of ai. And what I mean by that is a with text messages you're talking back and forth with a person and it's trigger ing.

The same thing that i've talked about about, like why do I want to use A I for writing and writing suggestions is because IT four closes thought in a certain way now for emails and stuff, IT feels like it's fine, right? Like emails are like business land, right? We're just trying to get things done.

Having the AI summarize and then right replies to each other in the email is like, it's a bit weird, but I have no problem with this. But the message is IT feels a little bit more like if you kind of imagine, imagine you we're having a conversation with the person in real life. And what you also had in your ear was a little ear e piece with A I and then every time someone said something to you, the little ear piece had some suggestions about what you could say back.

And what happens in this moment then is IT feels to me like, oh, i'm not talking to the person anymore. What's actually happening? I'm evaluating some premade options, even if those options are very good, even if those options were to sound like something that I would say.

I just feel very strongly that IT is a totally different thing to read a message that someone has sent you and think about how you wish to reply that is different than reading the message someone has sent you and then seeing two or three things you could say back. And the quality of those things is irrelevant to to the objection. The objection here is evaluation is not thought.

That's my objection here. Picking from options is not the same thing as thinking about how to respond to a person. So while i'm like I am lacking a Better word for this, the reason that i'm coming up with anti human, I feel of all the tags that have happened with a eye, this one feels like IT is the most direct attack on some kind of humanity.

IT feels like IT is the most direct attack on a kind of very subtlety distancing of human connection by having this like interlocked, who is suggesting the way that the conversation should go, and then IT just totally changes your thought pattern. And I feel like no matter what people think it's like, again, imagine is the perfect version. And IT has things that you would say and then you could even be like, but i'm going to say something different and then you just type IT.

But more cognitive process has now just gone into what you have done. You've had to go over a slight hill of rejecting the options and then creating yours. Picking from the prebuilt options is always easier. And that I think there's one more layer here which is expressing thoughts, I think is a kind of feedback loop like the way you talk affects the way you think.

And so I truly think that from picking from prebuilt options, I feel like IT is a feedback loop in a very slight way, even to your own mind about like how are you feeling about the gs? How are you expressing things? So this thing in particular, I feel IT on a very, very visual level of, like, I do not like this.

I dug around in the settings today, eventually was able to find, where can I turn this off that I don't see IT, so I can just reply. But IT doesn't change the fact that basically no one ever changes the options. Nobody ever changes the default. And I think this is just a huge injection of A I influence into, like everybody's won on one conversations. And I hate IT, I really hate IT, and I think IT is anti human.

Where do you turn them off, by the way? Okay.

you ve got to go to settings. You go to apple intelligence and siri. You go to at the bottom about theory, dictation and privacy.

You can then scroll down to messages, is one of the options there. And there is a show series suggestions in application. And if you disabled that IT won't give you the auto suggestions anymore.

But boy, that is a buried option. That is way deep. Even people who care about settings are not going to find that without a lot of effort or knowing exactly where IT is ahead of time. So that's where you go to turn that off.

That's a really interesting thought process that you've posed that was completely different to where I was coming from. Rogers think is not done very well. I see what you're saying, right? Well, so see me and you are having a conversation and you say to me, sure, we order five or shall we order ten, right? If they just says all to five or ten is the two options and I just pick one of those.

I haven't really thought through the ramifications of either like that. Maybe I just think to myself initially my first blushes, like I will go for ten, but not really thinking about what would that mean. You're not really considering the the implications of your choice in the same way that you would if you were just reading and thinking. I can imagine somebody more easily just glossing over a message, right? Because they've just got the two options at the bottle and we will do you know yeah this is a very interesting thought process that I had not considered.

Again, I think I feel this very strongly because of the early experience with trying to use IT for writing and how just feeling like IT for closes potentially Better options if you're using this to generate suggestions. And again, whether or not that sounds like you is besides the point IT really, to me, feels like this. A I is now existing in between one on one conversations between people in a way that is just different from everything else.

Why is IT instant message that hit so hard? I think this is because IT is the closest one. He doesn't feel this way in email.

Yeah, IT is so personal. yeah. So I just, I hate IT. I just really hate IT.

And I really know as is the way with these things like I can turn IT off for me, but I am absolutely convinced that this is suddenly affecting everybody who uses IT in just like ways that they're not going to notice. And I just I don't like IT. I think it's I think it's bad for humans.

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Now I have you spent .

any time with IT, but it's really good like you can ask questions and you will perform web searches if IT thinks IT should to get the accurate live up to date information, or you can just strike up, click a button to perform just a search of the web by asking ChatGPT. And I found that experience to really good.

I actually think they do a bad job than most of their competitions at highlighting the sources, like the sources to the articles that do the in line. So you can easily like click through and get more information if you want to. But i've used that a bunch now and i've i've been really happy.

Like for example, I wanted to find out if a certain company that think you to buying something from those black friday deals now google in that nightmare, right? But searching for ChatGPT, they would like these three companies look like this product is is gone sale. But also the brand themselves tend to do IT. But later in the month, that was just a great response, right, that google would not given me in the way that I wanted. So I found that experience to be very good actually.

How does that compare to perplexity? Because you recommended that. I think my stay of the apps last time, I can't quite remember, immediately started using that after you say justice S, I felt a little bit like there are still cases where I want a search engine in in a way. And i've been hugely impressed with complexity. But I feel like IT is ChatGPT under the hood with some options on top you can choose.

I don't really have much of a feeling about the one on one against each other. I think from A U I perspective, I actually preferred the .

simplicity ity of chat .

p and you know, I do actually think that sourcing is more important with these because I do want to check what they have to say. And I think ChatGPT is a Better job because IT does IT in line with what you're reading rather than need to go to a like right down the bottom like that with publicity, like go to a different place.

And it's got a bunch of sources where like ChatGPT is like adding the source in next to the piece of information that is taken so like rather than just like here of my sources, it's like doing in line with the words that is giving you so like that gives you two paragraphs and IT puts the sources in line with the text showing you where it's gotten up his information from. I just think that that is like a really nice way of doing that, so I can then go and get more information if I want IT. And I know where I can go check that information.

get more about IT. This is the absolutely exotic thing about the world of A I now is like the switching of tools. Like I just started using perplexity as like I just convinced everybody I know, like, hey, never use a regular search engine again, use this instead.

And it's like a fourteen days later, time to switch again. Everybody gets like maybe chat T, G, P, S in the lee. Now, who knows? But perplex is definitely very complicated.

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Take a look at that too, though of the thing is, all these things also overlap in such a confusing wake. Yes, I am using perplexity, but I think perplexity is using ChatGPT o to search the web. And then I haven't set up to feed that information to claude sn IT.

To summarize, I think how that works. But like I sort to got, there's every one of these companies. IT feels like they're ten layers on top of something. And then at the very bottom, it's still just ChatGPT or anthropic.

One of the things that turns and why I actually quite like using chat beauty for searching is I don't like the paralysis of choice for complexity, where I always feel like I could be using the wrong LLM, because you can choose .

always have this feeling of.

like, am I getting the best experience I could from this tool? Like, should I be using some IT? Should I be using perplexity? Is blended version of the what I like about ChatGPT is I just use for or whatever, right? And that's just what i'm going to use.

So there is a real problem with these tools and branding. I don't understand why they're all branded so badly, but that just seems to be the way they are. Like I as a user, don't everyone have to think about models?

Yes, I don't want ever have to think about what model I used. I don't want that you tell me. And I think people working on this stuff, i'm sure a model that .

entire use is to choose model IT.

You should know what I ve asked. And I do think like some of ChatGPT is doing that now because I can ask you a question and then IT decides if IT goes to the web. So like I think that, that is kind of like you should just be this layer on top.

That's an example point. I definitely want to make a model. I cannot account the number of tools, and I have opened up to have some element of A. I then step one, choose between these two models, many of which I have never read heard before, is like, I don't know, I have to evaluate things .

and i'm sure debt by the time we record our next steps. So they'll be six new companies that are doing a metal model service yeah like even though this stuff is complicated and my opinions on there are more thing and changing all the time, IT really is incredible to be seeing this all unfolding time. Yes, I will agree.

Um and actually that's why I we're thinking about perplexity a bunch because I feel like I had i've mentioned IT on one of the previous shows, but I was very aware in the last few years of feeling like searching the internet has just become functionally worthless, like google searches, like the quality of the returns were just much, much worse over time, like finding things was increasingly hard. And this is really like perhaps the most directly immediately beneficial use of A I for me is like you searched the web and summarized IT for me and find IT .

it's going through the the harm that the S. C, O. Industrial complex is called to the web.

yes. Yeah, that's exactly yeah. It's a weapon against seo staff. And I have felt in the last two weeks since I started using like a direct the engine in that way to be like, oh, the web is useful.

Again, I can actually just find answers to technical problems because again, this is the difference of the the l EMS that are built. They're just baked into existence. And so if that happens to know the answer to your technical question, I can tell you. But the search engine thing is so much Better.

And I I absolutely know that we are just in a window of time until the systems are gamed again. But I am going to choose to enjoy this system of time where, like, web searching can be bad because of these tools.

Yeah, it's a never ending arms race, but an arms race increasingly where people are not participating. No way how they could that go self.

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cortex brand 点 com someone will in is said to me might why don't you share your ipad home screens when you do stay at the apps？ Because surely that's a device that you do a lot of work from. And while I do agree, there is a thing where there's only so many hours that we can commit to that episode, and I understand the thinking, but for me, a lot of the apps are similar, but I thought, yeah, why not share ipad home screens in this episode so we can see that too? I actually thought, when I got this, that you might like the fact to that on the two ipads that I used, I have one which is mine and .

one which I used for .

court. potentially. Be happy to know gray. You can look at the image here, which will be in ops for people to click on. I use a different home screen wallpaper for the critics brand one, because can you imagine if I solid this professional device with that fun wallpaper?

I mean, I do feel like praise be my desk. I know you're very happy with your wallpaper, but I am genuinely relieved to see that core tank brand is able to get a different wallpaper so that IT feels like it's .

a different space when you're using you are not A A little .

bit you say that right? But I do just wonder if there were some alternate universe where you were still doing cortex brand, but somehow, like this podcast didn't exist and I wasn't in your life, I do wonder if that mike would still be using the exact same wall paper everywhere. And if I look in my heart of hearts, I think that that is true. I think that is what would happen. But you know what I feel like, even if you have done this for me, IT doesn't matter IT makes me very happy.

Not this ipad of my cortex brand ipad, which is this days my studio and IT stays on. My I have a special task to our products on when i'm doing any design work. I go on, sit at that table in IT helped me kind of more shifting.

Get in that mindset. This ipad I set up completely from fresh h oh o and IT has only so an account logged in. There's a lot of stuff.

I don't have logged in to any of my other accounts like any of my really work is not on there. My personal stuff, a lot of its not on there like I really wanted to try and set this up as purpose driven as I could. So like when I do sit down to work on this ipad IT is purely for this stuff like I have.

It's always in reduce notifications like the A I powered focus mode, reduce interruptions. I just leave this one and that one the time. So when i'm sitting there, i'm really like focused on just trying to do the work that is best for when i'm trying to work on cortex brand stuff.

And I have to set up totally differently to how I have my personal ipad, which, of course, is a dawn with the world paper I love so dearly. But that is more focused in its home screens on entertainment, as well as like a little bit of work stuff, where this one is like pure work stuff, even have different widget Smith themes for this one. So IT fits with the blue and gray, a static that we got going on.

Yes, I knows that raight away with the, we just miss times. One thing that I really like that, the one that picking up on here, is, so you ve got your design tools when I like free form and you ve got figure a and you've got canvas ah, which remind me which ones can for again.

Boy, I thought to explain.

So I I didn't mean something.

Oh no because now canvas is a lot of things OK. Like canvas is kind of exploded in the last year. They've really done a good job of integrate, generate A I to help people make stuff like invitations to birthday part is like that is like a big area that they're in, but I don't use any of that.

But so canvas has been used for Carry in our design team to share stuff that we're going to post on social. But we are moving to fig ma fully for that. Canvas is there right now, but IT won't be there in a couple months away from OK.

And what are using photoshop for? Am I A little surprised to see that when there is that just for sharing files with .

other designers, that s sometimes this files, where is most helpful me to open in photoshop. But also i've actually found IT quite helpful. So i've been working on different physical sizes of our products, like i'm playing around with some different physical sizes of things.

And sometimes what I have been able to do with photoshop is to take a picture of one of our no pads. And like, what if I just made IT half the size and use photos generally filled to just remove the backgrounds, and like, just cut in half essentially like make a box, get rid of this. And so I could get like a visual representation of what would this look like in a different size is a weird use case. But i've been kind of playing around with some of those photoshop tools to do that you familiar with general to fill like what is doing.

So like, are you saying trying to place the smaller object in the room? Is that the idea of what .

you're doing there? Now it's like, what if I took aside kick .

nop and cut IT in half? Oh, so you the physical thing in half OK, I see, right? okay. And then you using generated file like cover up the edge.

create effect background essentially like so it's like it's only half of the space, so that's one thing. But mostly my use of auto shop here is people send me photoshop files, right? And so this is just a really easy way for me to be able to open them and and look at them, because for the shop on the ipad is actually really good, is basically to photoshop.

They've done a very good job of that. I think he used to be like all this is photoshop for ipad, but now IT is very much just like, oh, no, this is just photoshop. It's just on your ipad.

Well, i'm very happy to see this. I had looks different, but warms my heart. Tmc IT really does. So you can get yourself in that different headspace when you're at the office feels different. Obviously, you need to do that. Be the designer that you want to be, be the designer who, let's get real at this point, really should be in an apple commercial using his eyes pad to do all the sorts of stuff that apple wants you to do. That's what this ipad is.

So I love IT. I take pictures of our products with the camera on my ipad. Can you imagine such a thing like something I do a lot of? Like if i'm talking to the designers that we work with or i'm talking with a product manufacturers and I have things, I just shoot video.

So like I put the product in front of me and I just grabs the ipad, I press record and just shoot in video talking about what I want to show them or get across them. Or even yesterday were working on some product descriptions. And what I did is I open slack and I pressed, like record audio bum, and I was just talking through to send that to Carry so he could help me like polish IT into something I genuinely like when I am that day.

I could be in a eraser. At this point, because I am am using this ipad in all of the ways in which they want me to use IT. You know, this is a very funny thing, really.

I mean, they are taking the photo with the ipad yeah, somehow the funniest thing because that's always the thing I see in the commercial. And I think like nobody does that right? But mike, does that like you're shooting the v like I like IT something like, oh yeah, you're filming your friend skate boarding.

What you going to use is you're using your ipad like this. I don't on on earth is doing that was like mike actually is shooting video for things that he's doing on his ipad. I'm just say right now, I can try to manifest this into the universe because I really do feel like you are an absolutely prema pi C2Be fea tured in one of tho se lit tle sho rts of lik e wha t do peo ple do wit h the ir ipa d? I am going to really try to manifest this into existence because this is just amazing. What you're doing with this to like be the thing that they want you to be perhaps more than anybody else on earth because you're actually taking us with the I I mean.

I think honestly, I don't think any of this is incapable late more. And then in the fact that we use numbers to run business.

I think in .

the camera that meaning you do in stock management in numbers.

I don't even have any doubts about the eddy board like I am absolutely certain no business is using as big of us preached as we are in numbers to do real things. That was like, why is that? Because great things is so pretty that .

I opened this frenchy, and sometimes IT takes a literal minute to finish IT calculations I can use IT.

I love all of this. I love that you're using your ipad d so hard core IT almost makes me feel bad, because i'm realizing now that without even fully noticing IT like my ipad has just completely fAllen off the rotation of devices that I use. Seeing the ipad very .

seasonal like that. honest.

yeah. Explain what?

I think I look at myself and you know all of the other people that I work with who are just big computer is and IT feels like we have these times in which an ipad is the right tool and IT is exists very period of time, and then IT will be replaced, usually bia mac, until another reason comes around again. Like I look at myself, right? I was all ipad.

Then apple silicon broke back to the mac and I was no ipad. Then the ipad mini brought me back to the idea of what about just for consumption will just do IT for that, right? And then the ipad pro was like, yeah, this Green.

And so I moved to the bigger ipad and really love that. And then just the nature of my work, the product design work really lends itself to big screen. I can hold in my hands and use the pencil.

And IT has a camera and I can move around, right? So like that has just become the right tool. And I think that I see this in myself and pretty much everybody I work with that just there are these seasons of work in capability in these devices.

And the ipad even comes in or out because IT is that's, be honest, the most superfluous of any computer, right? Yeah, the tablet is the one which is less needed and is the most luxurious. And IT just depends on if you're going to use that or not for most people, right? You're not giving up your phone and you're not giving up your mac.

Will you use an ipad to replace any of these types of work or make the work feel Better? IT goes in. And now I think.

yeah, actually is funny. Just tear ranking my own devices and realizing right now I would give up the ipad before I would give up my watch like that's not even a question and hard if I had to pick like you can only have one of the other, I would give up the ipad before I gave up the watch. I think that shows for me how far it's fAllen.

I feel kind of sad about that because it's also very h. This is the device that I want to use the most in some way, but I just never quite is the thing that makes the most sense. And I think that's partly because the mac has really come back and it's just very hard to beat efficiency and rapidity of doing things on the mac.

And yeah, I don't know, it's competing with everything else. And I think for me, really this year is like what is in particularly killed IT is actually the vision pro. Yes, is like, oh boy, the vision pro has just like destroyed my ipad use. If i'm trying to think through why, it's because the vision pro is weirdly both good at intense productive work and also at the relaxing work IT can do.

Both of those things was like, oh yeah, lots of times when I want to do more casual thinking sort of work, in previous times when I would have grant the ipad, I find myself going much more towards the vision pro to be like, oh, I want to do some high level thinking and just be like casual about what i'm working on this. Again, the vision pro and going into the right environment is perfect for that. Oh, I really want to do work now.

Well, also, the vision pro is the best thing for that. This is the best way to be like locked in. I think I hadn't really quite realized this.

Like real dual purpose of IT of like IT is the default tool with my mac in almost all cases of like what can work best. And a lot of like brainstorming stuff that I might have previously done on the ipad has been completely consumed by that, let alone like any media consumption. Of course.

Like if i'm going to watch something like this, absolutely no question where the best place to watch IT is. It's totally fAllen off. So bush this like is not even worth me taking a Green jutted have like a blank home page on my ipad and like a couple of things in the dark.

This is literally nothing to look at. And i've spent no time at all trying to tweet IT to be like, oh, how can I get this to be most effective because IT just doesn't even seem like it's worth IT. I think I didn't fully realize that until just now.

I guess of all of my things, this one is absolutely on the rock bottom of the list even for reading like the thing that I would probably want to do on the ipad like of, but amazon came out with that new color. Kindle and IT is amazing. I did.

You get one?

Yeah, I got one. OK, okay. So I don't even read things with color a lot, but its funny to realize that there was a small resistance that I didn't even notice. So when i'm reading like you can highlight in different colors and like I haven't even use that a ton, but the only thing i've ever done is like a when i'm reading a book, the default highlight is yellow. And then if I think something is really important to always highlighted in pink, and I didn't know until I got the kindle color is like, oh, the last thing that was pushing me towards the ipad is that I can see the difference in the color highlights, which I didn't even really think that I cared about but now the moment I can actually see the highlight colors wet I am reading it's like, oh my god, i've never picking up my ipad again to read it's just like interesting to notice these small little resistances that you didn't even know we're there until they've been solved.

Did you look at the new kindle scribe again?

All yeah, I did. I took a look at IT and I decided against IT because I think we talked about this a while ago of the other like aspirational tool in for terms of workers, like the e ink tablet, like the most aspirational of tools.

And I kind of wanted the kindle scribed to be like, maybe this is the thing that can fill this role, but this is also part of what happened with the ipad, as I was very aware, with my kindle scribe of especially traveling like u, the ipad in the kindle scribe are kind of competing with each other because the kindle scribe is quite big. You know what? I don't wanted be bringing on every single flight.

I don't want to be bringing a mac, a vision pro, an ipad pro and a kindle scribe is like, this is too many devices like some things got to go and the kindle scribe IT didn't have enough functionality for the size compared to the ipad. Yeah but now what has happened is like, yes, but the ipad is not remotely as small as the amazon color kindle. So that's what has happened here is like I think the ipad is just not coming with me anymore.

The actual thing is going to come is the color kindle because with the visit pro like boy, does that add a lot of bulk to travel, so something has gotta get out of here. And so I think that's going to be the result of what occurs. So I like the idea of the kindle scribe, but I just felt like for its size, especially for traveling, IT just wasn't worth its like I like that big screen. But really the only place that made sense was reading at a desk, even something like reading in bed IT just wasn't point worth IT. So no kindle described for me that ones .

out there was one to feature on IT that I thought you would find a interesting, which is that you can right directly in a book and IT moves all the text around to fit your notes in. I just think that was like a really .

interesting idea. I think that's the most interesting part of that for sure. That is the future sell IT. I do want that, but I don't want IT enough to have the big device. Yeah i'll wait until they do like an amazon color scribe like we get a little pencil .

on that right ah that they get to. That's the thing because remarkable. Have a color one now, right? But yeah, you you're not get in the amazon books again.

One of these things, i've just like this decision, like i'm all in on the amazon a system. It's like what there's bunch of frustrations. There's also like a million upsides, in particular. One upside, which I don't think i've ever really mentioned very often but is surprisingly useful, is like having everything in the amazon system means also through read wise, I can get IT to dump directly into obsidian as well.

Yes, that is like a total killer feature of like, oh yeah, I can just have all of the highlights and notes that i've taken in any book i've ever read right there in obsidian. And it's like it's. fantastic.

That's really great for you, right? Like for the research work. Like to be able to make these highlights and just have them show up in the research tool outside of the book. Like that is good.

absolutely fantastic. And IT also has a little bit of the sometimes when i'm searching for something by having all of the things i've ever highlighted, I occasionally come across something else like, oh, I wasn't even thinking of that but is still useful and irrelevant to hear.

So there's like a this is a real compounding effect of keeping everything in the one place, which is why a lot of those other e readers is like they're just immediately off the table for me as like now sometimes it's good to just make a decision about like this is the thing i'm doing and i'm just going to stick with IT and not tried to like switch back and fourth all the time between other things. But yeah, it's been a surprisingly interesting year in terms of like hardware and devices and all of the changes. And oh my gosh, I don't even know. Have you tried the new wide screen option on the vision pro? Have you you tried this one out?

No, I really try not to put put a sofa on my mac.

So listen, mih, listen to me, right? I too. After this summer, I was like, i'm never doing a bit again not gonna en, but I had a friend was like, listen, Brown, you've got ta try the widescreen thing like, no, no, no.

i'm gonna good. I'm never a person actually .

call you bro yeah, actually does oh wok like you've got ta do IT I was like, no, no, no, i'm not going to do IT i've sworn i've sworn off of this. I've never going to do IT again like I don't know if was just all the apple intelligent stuff, but beta season this year was just particularly brutal.

I felt like things like a thousand little problems but like, i'm not onna do IT like, bro, you like, trust me, just do IT yeah and so I went, no, i'm not going to and then, of course, like hours later, I had gotten in my head and I was like, I let me try IT. I cannot even begin to explain how this is the case, but the wide screen feature on the apple vision pro for miring your mac, I thought IT was going to be good. IT is so much Better than I expected in a way where I have SAT there trying to think, like, how on earth is this so good? I cannot pn IT down.

It's like I have used in real life wide screen curved monitors, and i've never really loved them. But in the vision pro, it's like, perfect. IT is a hundred times Better than any real wide screen monitor I have ever used.

And it's like, oh my god, I did not know. This is the perfect way to use a mac is with this big wide screen virtual monitor. I swear they've made IT more clear.

But i'm also I just keep trying to think like is this something about the way it's being held in my vision? But man, it's like I thought before that sharing your screen from your mac in your vision pro was like killer. And this has made IT so much Better.

IT was almost like an entirely new experience, which here's the things like, I know the way i'm describing IT now sounds like a crazy over cell, but this is like how IT was sold to me. And like, no, IT is IT is fan tactic. IT is insane.

good. This is basically from now on. This is how I am going to be using my mac almost all the time, is with this like wide screen monitor in the vision pro, like ten thousand thumbs up to the developers on this one. They nailed IT. And I don't even know how they made IT so good.

Maybe I need to go to point to all my mac.

I just, bro, you should try IT trust me, it's really good.

Yeah been seeing a lot of people online like on threats and stuff like combine the new tiny mac mini and the vision pro together ah I didn't .

even think about that. Can you do that? You can any mac can work with that.

You just initiate through the control center on the vision problem and IT searches for maxon connect to IT. Oh, wow, of course you need a keyboard mouse, right? You need a keyboard and mouse still that are attached to the mac mini, would be a prety .

sweet pain together. That fascinating. That is a fascinating option. I just didn't think.

Think about great. Think about this, right? A mac mini pro, right, with tons of storage, tons of RAM on a great action.

I'm very intrigued .

now you have a full final cut like ready machine right now. I know mac with prose can handle that these days too, but that is like a very small thing that you compare this together and you'll be have a good time that is a lot of power to put into a machine in something Jason told me, which I could not believe is true. The mac mini is the lightest mac ever made.

right? Is lighter .

than any laptop.

Oh no.

Isn't that incredible? What an incredible statistic.

Oh no, mike, what is this idea you .

have put in my head?

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The first one kind of from greg, who wants to know grey, are you still working with wednesday ys and saturday days as your day off? If not, why not? We can wednesday. If so, do you have any comments after doing IT for such a long time?

Uh, you look at and sometimes people ask me question, right, and seems like a simple question, but they don't realize that goes just the heart of so many things. The core. This is actually a question that's a little bit of a theme preview and way.

This is a question that actually gets the right to the core and kind of bridges the theme from last year and the theme for next year. okay. So I did weaken wednesday, four one or as a schedule.

So it's like monday, tuesday working wednesday off. Thursday, friday, saturday working sunday off. And I really do think for a lot of self employed people, that is perhaps like an ideal scheduled many ways.

And so I really liked IT. But the idea, the idea has kind of grown while also running into some of the things that I have complained about before. And one of those things is I just don't like this seven day week.

I find IT very frustrating as a prime number. IT just doesn't work with anything. And earlier in this year, when I was traveling out west and doing a lot of work, I feel like what what I started to think about is there's just no way that seven days is the correct number of days.

This is just not optimal. Everybody has agreed on seven, and that sort of creates a lot of incentive for everybody else to agree on following weeks. But I don't have to do that. I don't have to follow a week. okay. So what i'm trying to figure out is the thing that I liked from weekend wednesday is I liked this thing where I was like, you have a big work, like a big push, three days in a row and then a break, and then there's like a little work push and then a break.

I feel like that's a very natural random, but I started to feel like three days in two days is not the correct number and especially when I was just working a bunch on my own like totally unconstrained, it's very obvious like I don't actually need to take a break after three days, there's something longer. So what i've been playing around with which you do, do you have been A A real thorn in my side with trying to get something to work and was like mike. I will not be constrained by this seven day week, but I have the problem that I need to record cortex, and we need to do cortex days on thursdays because we're planning and coordinating with a bunch of people.

But I keep trying to come up with a pattern of numbers that is something like a repeatable sequence of long stretch of work break, short stretch of work break. And so I feel like my natural rythm is something more like six days in a row of working and then two or three days off and then do something like three or four days working and two two days off something like that. So I cannot tell you how many spread sheet and how many calendars I have played around with trying to figure out is there away I can have some kind of long push of work, longer time off, short push of work, shorter time off that repeats.

That also lies up with there's very annoying. I have a commitment every seven days yeah, I basically don't think that's really quite possible, but I am absolutely determined like I am going to find a pattern that works if IT kills me. So helped me god. But i'm also very aware for anybody has any experiences in math that I am literally fighting prime numbers here and declaring, like I shall be Victorious, like this is the math of version, like I will push back the sea but i'm somehow still convinced i'm going to find a pattern that works .

to my like I have two thoughts on this thought. Number one is I don't in anyway feel bad about the fact that I want to have a meeting if you once awake .

ah it's such a burden, mike, so unreasonable.

There's nothing you can never do that is going to make me feel different the fact that we have to have one thirty minute .

me and thursday is unbearable, absolutely unbearable.

Have to plan your thus days around the fact that I will always be that fine with that. The second part is so I was honestly could not keep in my mind the schedule that you were trying to imagine for yourself, like six days on, three days off, four days on to why even have that? Why not just work when you are working and don't work when you're not? Like why do you need IT to be planned out? I don't understand.

Okay, that's actually a good question because basically what was happening as I was like observing myself working is just recognizing like, oh, this is actually something like the natural pattern if I just left to my own devices. So in a way you are right of like, oh, I don't to do this like i'm self employed. I don't need to have IT on a calendar that this is the big work push and this is the small work push.

I can just kind of wing IT, and I think I do naturally fall into a rythm that is like this when unconstrained. But part of the actual thing that i'm trying to do here is by formalizing IT a little bit. I think one of the problems I can run into is I try to do too many days in a row of working and then it's like, uh, i've gone too far. Basically, what i'm trying to do is take the thing that feels like this is what I want, a natural work rhythm to be, big push, longer break, smaller push, smaller break. That kind of feels right to me.

But instead of just winging IT, formalize IT, so that I can tweak IT a little bit and see, like, if I stick to this is six days too many, or like, or maybe if I am sticking to the pandas like us seven days to something I can actually do, if I have like a slightly longer break, I want to be able to consciously play with where are the boundaries for this of what works? Because I think if i'm just winging IT, it's just not as good. I'm trying to like optimize what is the maximum amount of like rest per work.

That's the kind of thing that i'm trying to figure out here. And that's why I say I find IT weirdly frustrated that we have this constraint of the seven day week because I just think there's no way this number happens to be the correct number. It's even a thing like um if you look at any exercise advice people will give you, here's how many times you should do is like strength exercise in a week and so is like you should exercise three days week or something but muscles don't know that there are weeks IT just seems incredibly unlikely to me that three strange sessions are four string sessions per unit.

Seven days is actually the correct number if you are trying to do something like min max, your time at the gym, it's possible that that's the correct number. But IT just seems insanely unlikely, right? Surely the actual schedule would be something much more lying.

You go to the gym three days in a row when you hit all your muscle sets, and then you take two days off, and then you do like three days in a row like that seems like the thing that would work Better for muscles. But nobody ever thinks about IT this way, because you have to plan your life in a week, which I just feel, again, I do not wish to be constrained by this calendar, is trying to tell me what to do. So i'm trying to do that in a sense for work.

That's why i'm trying to plan IT out you right? I could win IT in the same way that you could like, win. Going to the gym of, like go today feels like a day can go. I got very sort today. Maybe I shouldn't, but I just think that there's something to begin from planning.

And then on top of that, because I do work with other people and there are constraints from the outside world, if I have some kind of schedule like this, IT does allow others to know when i'm available, when am I not available? When can I do things? When can I not? So it's also partly to like plan with other people and to have that work.

But if you are like in a flow, right, like you're on a role for a few days in the next day's weekend, day is IT best for you to take that day. If you're like really in IT.

When i'm really in the flow, I will just keep rolling with all i'm just i'm always gonna just do that. But I I think the danger that I run into is when I feel like I feel like i'm behind, I will keep pushing to try to overcome a feeling like i'm behind, but that's not actually what I should be doing in in that moment. But I have a general rule like if I if I wake up and I feel inspired to work on something like just go with that, I never ever push back against that. I would never be like, oh, is the weekend yeah?

I supposed to be like one of the three of days or whatever IT is in the six days of the moon? Yes, however, IT is IT works. yeah.

So exactly. This is one of the reasons why i'd like to wake up really early is because that's the thing that I have learned works again with trying to plan your life, which involves other people, is like if I wake up early, if I wake up and I feel inspired to work on something IT is almost always the case that I can get through that like a period of like, oh, this is great.

I have some good ideas in time to still have like a Normal day with Normal commitments, even if it's supposed to be like a day where other things are happening. That's also partly reason why I like to wake up early. So the like really on a roll I will always keep, but it's more like I just want to try to figure out if I made a more Normal workers.

De, when is the time that I should stop? Because I think my inclination is to push like a little too far. And that's the thing that the weekend, wednesday was originally doing for me is like those breaks were good.

Like when I was in that group of three days, two days is like I feel like this is good, but I just kept growing on my mind. Like, oh, I don't think this is actually optimal. I think I can push these work times a little bit more if I can also expand the rest times a little bit more. And then like, once that idea gets in, my head is like i'm going to figure this out. I just need to make IT work with a cortex somehow, which is the tRicky part .

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of this show and rely right next question, alex says, do you have any new music recommendations .

for productivity? So that was a time where I was listening to on the show, where I was looking for a lot of music about lyrics to have on while I was working like working on my show property, stuff like that, so I could like, kind of focus on me on the zone.

This was when I was working at home, and I was using this at the time, I think is a way to kind of like create a barrier between the fact that i'm home and i'm also working and trying to like separate home and work. I felt like I need that way less since I have my own studio spaces is very obvious to me that i'm at work because i'm at now. So I don't really feel like I need that divide in .

the same way to force me to different.

Me being here is like the focus of the work, right? But something that I, again, i've found to be very helpful and enjoyable to me when i'm working at my design desk is to put on music in that time as like a an enforcement of similar thing, different work. And because that work doesn't require writing or reading, like my show per work does, I can point any music I like.

right?

Course, course. That's good for me, because I can tend to put on music that I like. What I find to be really helpful is to put on upbeat music, because being in a good mood really enhances my ability to do that work effective way. Like something that lifts my mood and changes my mood, helps with that kind of tactile design thinking, broadening work.

I mean, that makes sense. You can have more like a be kind of pop music with lyrics if you are not doing reading a writing work. Yeah, that's good. That's really good.

And for me at the moment, just as a recommendation, this is not new, really new to anyone. But I really been enjoying for this, he said, and you are is taking the world by storm. And I like her musical.

I'm going to mention that called handle. Now I mentioned this like briefly on state of the apps, but I just like, I really do want to plug again. So this fits into the category like a bunch of these things, like a brain dot F M and poses.

I never know how to say, oh my god, go.

yeah. It's like a thousand years old. There's been a bunch of these like auto generate music kind of apps, but I have been just wildly impressed by how good handle is at doing this as a job ends. Like boy, IT has taken over a larger and larger percentage of my music listening time. I feel like they just do a very good job of music that either locks you in for focusing without being distracting or like the relaxing it's like your reading now or they even have a thing that works surprisingly well, which is like this auto mode of don't even try to um like pick the thing you're doing, let them just pick.

It's really quite impressive how with that one like if you become more active, like IT really does match the music to you of like what IT is you're up to yeah I just like I cannot get over how good IT is and like the key thing of these is like what fails with a lot of the other apps is they're doing things that more like music, which you can then become a tune to. Or you feel like, oh, I don't like this song that they rotated in, which is like what brain of sam and poises do is like they have a library that they're rotating through. Where's andle really is much more IT sounds like IT is auto generating the stuff live.

So you're just less aware of when IT shifts like they shift very, very slowly between one kind of sound and another like it's just hugely effective. And what I particularly like doing with this is using portal, which is an APP for environmental sounds to like additionally match whatever IT is that i'm doing. So like if i'm in the apple vision pro, like I know that they have sounds to use with all those environments, but I just like I never want to do that.

I want to have my headphones connected to the computer. So I just have like a bunch of portal sounds that kind of matched the environment that are in with the vision pro. And then like also by playing handle, like I just find like that combo is really, really good.

And also having just like the background sounds convinced really helps with noise cancellation. So I just totally can lock you into an environment. Uh, so yeah, I just i've been using that shocking amount of time, highly .

recommended. Do you mix them together? Listen at the same time.

listen to them both at the same time? There's also a thing which i've only done IT a couple of times, but I actually think it's good. This is going to soundcloud. Andle gives you an option where you can mix their music in with your phone call so you can have IT on in the background when you're taking a call.

I can't it's like I think of why anyone would need that i've .

done in a couple of times and I don't know. I've convinced there's something here. I don't know if I will. They use that feature a lot in the future, but I don't know. Maybe for like .

the right kind of person IT just works. But the people I have really that maybe I might have something like to be in the background as I know, but like that is a very peculiar use case.

I have to say when I saw like, oh, there's an option that you can mix the music in with the call. I was mostly just curious about how does this even work. But i'll tell you, like it's a testament to the success of IT being non distracting.

And so I have tried, did on a couple of work calls and it's like what I said, there's something here. This is an interesting idea. I don't know if it's a thing that I will do in the future, but if you are at all intrigued by that description, like that might be worth something to dry.

Do you use favor of these apps for sleep? No noise, like for White noise.

I use portal for the sleep noise. It's a nice thing, has short cuts integration. So I have like a little timer where you can turn on. I just realized it's so sad.

That is actually the thing that I most do with my ipad is used IT to have IT automatically turned on the portal noise, right? So it's like, hey, fantastic computer device. You are a White nice machine that helps me sleep.

But I use portal for that angle has a sleep music thing. I tried IT, but that was the only mode that I decided I didn't like. I found IT somehow.

While IT is a very good judge of being non distracting during the day, I found the slight music thing just distracting while I was trying to sleep. So I, I don't use IT for that, but the portal for White noise while sleeping is like absolute requirement. There's no way I can sleep in a room without why noise. He zoos asks, mike, what are your opinions on masted on in threats? Having used them for more than a year now .

as very interesting question, the social media landscape is very complicate. And now, and you know, this is like something I was talking about inside of the apps, right? That was very happy to have this APP called cause, which I can now post to multiple services at once, which is, I love that because now that I do use both services, I like that I have a tool where, if it's usually, but could I have something that I need to promote you for a work, and I can just fire IT all out in the same, you know, no, go. That was a time where I was intrigued about the prospect of threads being federated .

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yeah. And I thought that maybe I could just like use one thing, because I figured that these would just be the same kind of thing, right? Like text, social media in a way.

But I have actually come to overtime value them both differently for what I want from them. So I consider master on to be mostly where my quote on, quote, people are right? It's where the nerds are.

It's where the people talking about computers can be found in the way that I think of IT to be because I get lots of computer conversation on threads, but it's really different. And i'll come back to wine in a minute. But like master on is you know a non algorithmic time line.

We have the people that i've chosen to follow and the thoughts that they have and it's by and large, people I know like I have personal relationships with, is the people that I follow are messed on. And I have a very small following list compared to any of these other types of services have used in the past or any social media because in the past. And maybe i'll checking on a couple of times today or whatever and just read what's there.

IT is where I get the most show follow up people like people sending me things. But we actually did a really good job when I left with there a couple years ago and was not sure whether I was going to use any of these kinds of services, really kind of promoting the feedback form, which is where we get all these questions. And that is how I like to get my show feedback, because I go and look once a week or whatever, right? And I collect all the feedback up.

And like that is just a way Better system for me for that kind of work. But I know I feel like master on is where most of the stuff related to podcasting and the topics that I cover is there threads I kind of see differently, threads I used as an algorithmic APP. Lots of people just, you know, they say, well, I just want my following feet.

No, I want the threads algorithm to serve me stuff based on the interests that IT knows that I have because of instagram. So like, I get tons of stuff about f one from accounts that I don't follow and I don't want to follow, but I get IT and and I like that threads has A. I think that their tools for managing the algorithm a Better, anything i've used before, if I don't like a post, you just swipe IT away and IT learns from you, and I find that to be right for me.

And so again, like the types of things that I see on threads that are about computers are like totally different in vibe. So we are talking about the mac mini and vision pro thing earlier. The only people I really saw talking about that, what people on threats, and I consider this is more like content creators kinds of posts, which are not really what I see from most of my friends, right? Like it's people who want to be like tech content creators on social media, right, which is a different kind of live to the people in my life.

right from the way you're describing IT IT feels like master don is a little bit like the social media of old in way. And so when you said, oh, with the mac thing, I can sum that you are going to come across that on mastodon. But I guess that makes sense because the mac mini plus vision thing is much more like a stunt. So that's why you're seeing IT on threads because it's like, oh, this is a thing that an influencer is doing to specifically say, look at this cool thing that has visual appeal exactly and also .

like my threads algorithm selves to me, a lot of like people who are building their first apps and they're really interesting. I get a lot of that kind of content to and is because I interact to the algorithm in a way I am a serial like a of content. I've always been this way I put likes on everything. You know, if I find something even mildly interesting, like, but my biggest thing that I cannot believe in myself that has maintained as I have fifteen minutes up and that's .

what I and stick.

Important because I was spending hours a day on twitter, which was not good. And so when I started using these services, I kind of was saying to myself, right, look, you're gonna a use these tools for a limit amount of time every day, unless there is a specific reason why you wouldn't like there are big news days, or like days where I am doing something which requires a lot of social media engagement.

Those days I will say, like now the timer is you, whatever, like you, there's something going on. Maybe it's an apple event day, right? Well, i'm gonna blow past the fifty minutes on that, so I will just get rid of IT for that day.

But by and large, most days in my screen time tells the story like I am using text base social media for no more in third in minutes of my day, which I think is great. And so I think for me now, like considering these two tools differently. But I have one which is like early days of social media, and then one which is like, I just lean in to what social media companies want.

Social media, the bait is all algorithmic. I think that's a pretty nice baLance because I used them differently. I think about them differently.

And also I find what's really interesting is my audience engages very differently. So like, let's say, I post something work related, like say, a personal achievement or ever in work, I posted above platforms. I get more likes and reaches on threads, but more replies on masterdom. Don't know why that is, but I find that very interesting. I have don't really have an idea as to why that's occurring, but it's just the thing that I know.

It's like if there's the more computer people on master on, I feel like others are the more technically correct kind of people who feels like there are the people who are much more likely to add a comment or as maybe like places select for different kinds of people. And so maybe everybody who's on threads is using a much more like you. They're just there to like a bunch of stuff and they're not there to talk. They're not there the details. They just like they want the algorithm to show them stuff and that's what they are.

Therefore.

they're just like to like they just like to. I'm happy that to hear on IT seems like you have found yourself in a good place with your social media. That is in the modern world, quite an achievement.

Let me, uh, make you feel terrible for a moment as .

two years on time lies you're checking social .

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